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Jenna, you had a soap box in this episode.

We got this letter from Tara M.

Jenna, I just wanted you to know that I was so with you today on part two.

When you talked about all the hate pamphlets,

it's absolutely 100% sexism.

Thank you so much for saying so.

I support you and love you both so much.

Well, thank you, Tara.

I am aware that my soap box from this episode created a lot of debate of people arguing back

and forth, but I think I helped some people see things in a new way.

And now, you know, 15 years later, people are really seeing the Jim Pam situation a little

differently. You know, some of the things that were seen as romantic 15 years ago,

they hit a little different now.

Like, maybe it's not so romantic to surprise your wife by buying a house.

Maybe it's not neat to invest your savings and take a job out of town at a startup without

telling her when you have two small kids, who care is all going to fall to her.

When you say that out loud, that's like, what?

You took our savings. You got a job out of town.

She's like, we didn't work this insecure startup.

He doesn't tell her for weeks.

I know.

It's like Darryl has to convince him to be like, are you going to tell Pam?

We're leaving for Philly soon.

Like, when are you going to bring her in the loop?

So I think it's hitting a little differently now with this younger generation,

that's watching the office.

And those folks are like, um, I think maybe Pam's right to be a little grumpy.

Yeah.

Like, it's not unsupportive to be annoyed that your partner did something.

But yeah, when the episode first aired, I got a lot of shit for it.

And it reminds me too.

I recently did a rewatch of Breaking Bad.

Do you remember when Breaking Bad first came out and a gun?

The actress who played Skylar White, you know, married to Walter White.

Yeah.

She got a lot of shit for like, how hurt and upset she was that her husband

was becoming a methamphetamine drug kingpin.

She didn't have space in her heart for that.

Like, and it's interesting because when I rewatched it, I was like, oh my god.

She was like, I thought her just, her performance is just like spot on.

Could you imagine?

Could you imagine?

But everybody was so dazzled by the charismatic Walter White.

They were pissed that she wasn't more supportive of that so wild.

Okay, so I also talked about an amazing deleted scene

with Ryan getting yelled at by David Wallace.

David is so mad when he calls and Ryan answers the phone.

You know, Ryan was stealing from the company.

What the hell?

Now he's answering the phones again.

There's this great scene with Michael on the phone with David.

And I brought it up in our breakdown.

It's been added back to the Superfan episode.

And I just wanted everyone to hear it.

I want him out of the building now.

Michael, the man stole from the company.

Allegedly.

No, not allegedly.

As part of his plea, he admitted his guilt.

Allegedly admitted his guilt.

What?

Listen, David, I, I know Ryan.

He is good people.

He made a huge, huge error.

I just, I think he needs direction.

That's all.

Okay, I'm tired, Michael.

Me too.

Hey, yeah, okay.

You really want to go out on a limb for this guy?

You really want to vouch for this guy?

All my heart, yes.

Fine.

He can't talk to clients.

He can't sell.

He's so much his sniffed white out.

It's on you.

Woo, on me.

What do I have to do with it?

I mean, this guy is a criminal record.

I think that's a little excessive.

He's like, whoa, wait, on me.

Yes, Michael, you brought him back.

Amazing.

It's so good.

And Andy Buckley's so great in that scene.

Well, listen, I have one last letter to share.

It's from Megan M who says, hey,

I found a little error in the last office lady's episode.

Jenna and Angela said that Kelly had the same name plate

that she was gifted in the office Christmas party episode.

But upon looking at it, it's a different plate.

The one in the Christmas episode is purple

with seven orange blue and pink stemless,

daisy-ish flowers.

But the plate on her desk in this episode is different.

It's metallic and there are only two red flowers with stems.

So it's a floral plate but not the same one

that was gifted to her in Christmas party.

Well, lady, you know what I did.

Outside, outside.

You know, I did.

Look, there it is.

It's different.

Oh my goodness.

Megan, you're so right.

Megan is right.

Clearly, there is a theme here and that is

fancy font with flowers, but they're totally different.

Totally different.

And Megan, thank you

for giving me the opportunity to do a side-by-side,

which you know is one of my favorite things to do.

All right, you guys.

Here is your second drink of Weight Loss Part Two.

I'm Jennifer Fisher.

And I'm Angela Kinsey.

We were on the office together.

And we're best friends.

And now we're doing the ultimate office

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Each week, we will break down an episode of the office

and give exclusive behind-the-scenes stories

that only two people who were there can tell you.

We're the office ladies.

Hey gang, how's it going?

Howdy.

It is Weight Loss Part Two.

Season Five.

Yeah.

This is the second part of our season five premiere.

It was written by Lee Eisenberg and Jean Stupnitzky

and directed by Paul Feig.

That is what the summary.

All right.

Well, you might remember last week we set up

that Dunder Mifflin is doing a company-wide Weight Loss contest.

That contest continues.

It's really causing some division among the employees.

People are getting angry.

They are.

Ryan returns to Scranton.

He's a temp again.

Michael hires him to fill in at reception for Pam

who is off at Pratt.

She's, you know, doing art school.

Now Michael is very slowly still pursuing Holly.

Dwight and Angela are continuing to hook up in the warehouse

behind Andy's back.

And Jim has an important question for Pam.

The question!

All right.

Fast fact number one.

Paul Feig directed this episode

and he also had a much larger role

overall in season five.

Paul was with us for every single episode of season five.

He was and he was amazing.

He was this great constant like,

I don't know, dude.

He was like, he was like the man of the ship.

He was like guiding us along the way.

Having him on set always just made me feel better.

I'm with you.

I loved it.

You remember last week we talked about how Greg Daniels

was now working on both the office

and he was trying to get parks and wreck off the ground.

He had groomed Jenselada and Paul Lieberstein to run the show.

They were overseeing the writing of the show.

They were running the writers room.

While Paul Feig was brought on as a supervising director

and co-executive producer to oversee the on set production

and to oversee all of our directors.

Because we had a lot of new directors in season five,

including some cast members and crew members

and even some of our writers,

they all directed their first episodes.

Paul was also in the writers room a bit,

but mostly he was like the taste maker.

Right?

He was like one of these original visionaries.

What is the taste maker?

I mean, I don't know, but I think a taste maker is like,

you set the tastes of...

Did you make up that word?

No, taste makers are real word.

Maybe if you're like running a winery,

but you can be like a taste maker,

like is the same as like a...

I think you made it up.

Well, I didn't.

You can Google it.

I can't believe you're getting out your phone right now to Google it.

This is unbelievable.

Taste maker is a real word.

It's like a trend setter.

Yes.

Thank you, Sam.

It's like a trend setter.

Okay.

Taste maker.

Okay.

According to the English language learner's definition,

a person whose judgment about what is good, fashionable,

et cetera are accepted and followed by many other people.

That's right.

He was a taste maker.

He was a taste maker.

He was.

It was his job to control the quality of the show.

If you know, he said yes to jokes and no to other jokes

because of his good taste.

I know this is getting us off so early.

I really want to know the origin of this word.

Where did the word taste maker come from?

Was it the person that tried the food for the king

and if he didn't die?

Okay.

Fine.

We'll all eat what that guy had.

I don't know,

but I think you should deep dive it for a revisited angel line.

I do.

Okay.

Paul Fieg was the taste maker.

Wow.

You know what?

Just happened there, Angela.

What?

You just got real hot and bothered with me.

I did not.

You did.

That is not hot and bothered.

That is perplexed and curious and you were right there.

You were real.

You were right.

You were real right.

You were real hot to trot.

That means wanting sex.

I know what that means now.

All right.

Well, listen,

I talked to Greg Daniels about it and he said that this was

a big push that he had to make with the network.

In particular, Jerry DeCaneo,

the head of production at Universal,

because our show had been functioning just fine

without someone in this role before.

But Greg explained he was often called

down to set to discuss the shooting or the motivations

with the actors and directors.

And he wanted to make sure that that would still be covered

while he was gone.

And they eventually agreed.

And I traded some messages with Paul Fieg about this too.

And he even sent in an audio clip.

Oh, Paul Fieg.

All the way from London.

Yep.

It was such a fun year because, you know,

to be around you guys in the cast every day

and to be in that writers room with that amazing group of writers

was just such a special opportunity.

Yeah, I got to direct a lot of episodes that season.

But also it was just fun to kind of be with all of these other people

who were starting to direct and seeing how great they were doing.

It was so fun to be with Steve when he directed his first episode

and Brent Forster did a great job.

And Dave Rogers, we had so much fun.

And so that was kind of my experience of the fifth season

was being around everybody so much.

But also just kind of getting to see the show

through a lot of fresh eyes of these new directors

or people coming on and doing it for the first time.

Well, I want to say that Paul also directed

five episodes himself this season.

And when we were trading messages,

Angela, he said he loved his time on season five so much

that he wanted to send us audio clips

for every single episode of season five.

Get out.

Pull up media.

I was like, Paul, you're busy.

You're directing a movie right now in London.

I mean, you don't have to do that.

And he said, well, I'll do as many as I can.

So guys, get ready.

Get ready for, should it be figurepedia or polypedia?

Paul figurepedia?

Paul figurepedia.

All right, fast fact number two

is an art school location breakdown.

We didn't do this last week.

We're going to see more of art school this week.

So I thought it was appropriate.

Okay.

Fan question from Yvette and Rachel.

Where were the New York City art school scenes shot?

I will tell you.

Everything was shot at USC,

the University of Southern California.

The classrooms were empty classrooms on campus

that are set decorators dressed.

Even the dorm room was a USC dorm room.

The hallways when Jim's watching TV in the common room.

We were basically all on campus.

The only thing we didn't do on campus

and we talked about this last week

was when Jim and Pam are video chatting.

They re-created my dorm room

on that warehouse set of Dundermifflin.

Well, I have one other thing to share about the USC campus,

but I am going to save it when it comes up in the episode.

Well, all right.

I have one fun thing to share about the real Pratt,

which is in Brooklyn.

That's where Pam's meant to be.

We got a letter from Mila S,

who is a student at Pratt and she said this.

There is a communal cat population living on campus

called Pratt Cats.

They have their own little houses

and they wander the lecture halls and the campus freely.

If you're ever in New York,

I highly recommend you visit the campus,

along with its sculptures and cats roaming the grounds.

Angela, the cats even have their own Instagram page

and it's called Pratt Cats.

Pratt Cats, that's so cute.

Two teas for Pratt and two teas for cats.

Pratt Cats.

Pratt Cats.

I looked at it.

It's just a lot of super cute pictures of cats.

I want to see it.

Oh my gosh, there's so many.

Yeah, I wonder who does the Instagram.

There's so many cats.

I think we should put this on our list.

We should.

All right, fast fact number three.

We've got a big guest star alert.

It's rich summer as Pam's art school friend, Alex.

Yes, and we are friends with Rich.

We're like really good friends with Rich.

He needs to come on.

Well, he's refused.

No, he has not.

We are going to have him on.

You guys, Rich is probably most well known

for his role as Harry Crane on Mad Men.

But he's also acted in such shows

as Wet Hot American Summer, the TV series,

as well as many movies with office connections.

Oh yeah.

He was in the Devil Wears Prada,

starring Emily Blunt.

He was in Celeste and Jesse Forever,

starring Rashida Jones.

And he was in the giant mechanical man, starring me.

Yay.

He is also supposedly real life friends

with Nicholas DeGosto, aka Hunter.

We're going to have to ask him about that

when he comes on the show.

Oh yeah, we have lots to ask him.

We do.

Jenna, as you remember from last week,

there is a fantastic DVD commentary for Weight Loss.

It's an all crew DVD commentary.

I have more to share from that

in this week's Weight Loss Part 2,

as well as I reached out to Joya Balfour.

Do you guys remember Joya?

She has contributed information on the podcast before.

She worked on the digital team at NBC.com

and she has some fun,

Andy Angela Wedding stuff that she shared with me

as well as one little surprise,

but we'll get to it.

I love it.

Should we take a break and then we'll be back?

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And a friendly Ryan has returned to Dundermifland's Granton.

There is a deleted scene, Jenna,

that the camera catches Ryan being dropped off to work

by his mother.

She's driving a station wagon.

She pulls up, he hops out with a little sack lunch

and he starts to go in the building

and she rolls down the window and honks her horn

and he runs back and gives her a kiss on the cheek

and then he runs in the building.

Wow, if this tells you where Ryan is at at life,

he's back living at home and his mom is driving him to work.

Wow, he's also grown a goatee.

And this now explains why Michael has had a goatee

because he says, Michael, did you grow that goatee

after you saw mine when you helped me move?

Remember, these goatees are not real.

Hair and makeup put them on.

I thought they did a fantastic job.

And Michael has a talking head that explains

that he hired Ryan off the temp agency.

Yeah, he said Ronnie was very blech

and he told the temp agency,

I don't care what it costs me.

I have to have him.

I have to have Ryan Howard.

People don't know how to react to Ryan being back.

Kevin is excited, runs over, gives him a nugge,

which starts a great runner.

And Jenna, there was more in the deleted scenes

of Ryan having these talking heads

where he's putting everyone who's wronged him on his list.

Yeah, he explains that he's making a list

of everyone who wrongs him

so that when he is back up on the top,

he can get his revenge.

Yeah, and Kevin just made the list.

Also, who makes the list is David Wallace

in a deleted scene, David Wallace calls,

Ryan answers and David flips out,

starts braiding Ryan.

You can hear it through the phone.

Yeah, so much so that Ryan cries.

And Michael vouches for Ryan

and David Wallace does not want him there,

but agrees.

And so now David Wallace has made the list.

And Jenna, I couldn't help myself.

You know what, this made me think of what?

Game of Thrones.

Oh, somebody has a list I didn't get that far.

Arya Stark has a kill list for everyone who's wronged her.

Can we take a minute everybody

if you haven't seen Game of Thrones

and you don't want spoilers?

Just, I don't know, fast forward 30 seconds.

Angela, I started Game of Thrones.

I never finished it.

I'm never going to finish it.

Really?

Will you just tell me does Arya ever kill?

She kills everybody.

She does. She kills everybody.

And she kills the biggest baddie.

And I don't want to ruin it

in case someone didn't fast forward,

but she kind of saves the whole world.

I'll just say that.

That is kind of a spoiler.

That was the only thing that was kind of keeping me there

was that I saw the potential in her character.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, she follows through.

Well, that's good to know.

Continuing Ryan's list,

Ryan apologizes to Jim, right?

Jim shakes his hand.

And now are you ready for some Jim sass?

Oh, it's so good, though.

Ready?

Ryan says, Jim, I want to apologize

for how I treated you last year.

He goes on to explain all the things he feels sorry for.

And he said, you know, he's even started volunteering.

He's giving back to the community.

And Jim goes, well, that's great.

You're talking about your court ordered community service.

And Ryan says, I don't need a judge to tell me

to keep my community clean.

And then Jim goes, but he did, right?

And Ryan goes, all right.

And Jim goes, all right.

So much Jim sass.

And then there's just a silent Ryan talking head

where he's staring down the lens of the camera

and he's clearly writing Jim Helpert in his list.

Yeah.

Which I loved.

It's time for another weigh-in

on the giant scale that was custom made for our show.

We learned last week.

There is a zero-pound weight loss.

People are really starting to melt down.

Mm-hmm.

22 minutes, 59 seconds.

Did anyone catch?

That Meredith's face is back to normal.

Oh, I didn't catch that.

No more sunburn on Meredith.

I'll tell you, we had Aaron M.

write in and say, during that moment of the weigh-in,

Michael does this bird-like flapping move.

Yes, I love it.

When he's frustrated.

And she says, it's literally my favorite moment

in the whole show.

She wants to know if Steve improvised that.

Yes, that was not scripted.

That was Steve's take on his character's frustration.

I loved it so much.

At 23 minutes, 21 seconds, Andy has a talking head.

He says, this is the hardest thing he's ever had to do.

And, you know, he hasn't had a very hard life.

Ding-ding-ding!

This was a digitally corrected shirt and tie.

Once again, we talked about this in the episode

previously weight-loss one,

that the writers wanted to move around some of Andy's

talking heads and to match his outfits for continuity,

they had to go in and post-production,

change the color of his tie and a shirt.

I mean, it just blows my mind still.

I know.

Some other things that happened in the scene

are that Holly tells Oscar that her date went well

with his yoga instructor and Michael over here's

and then he blames Jim,

because he thinks Jim's bad advice

has landed him in the friend zone with Holly.

And then we move upstairs.

Yeah, Dwight is really mad.

He doesn't think everyone's taking this seriously.

He randomly select Stanley Phyllis and Kevin

and tells them to get liposuction on their own dime.

Yeah, they have to pay for it.

Yeah.

And meanwhile, Ryan goes to apologize to Kelly.

And now we have some Kelly sats.

Oh, it's so satisfying.

It's so good.

I mean, Ryan, come on.

I wish she could have stuck to his, I know.

It's so good.

He's like, hey, should we grab a drink later,

catch up, and then he says, pick me up at eight.

Right? He's trying to do his old shenanigans with her

and she goes, that is so sweet.

But I'm dating Darryl still

and we're like crazy in love.

So, and he goes, oh, cool.

Well, maybe I'll see you around.

And Kelly goes, it's a small office.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you notice on her desk?

What?

She had her little name plate

from the first Christmas party.

Yes, I did see that with the flower.

Mm-hmm.

I thought that was so cute.

I did too.

Dwight's going to apologize to Phyllis

for telling her she should get liposuction on her own dime.

He says, I'm going to make it up to you.

I have a sale, but it requires two people.

Will you go with me?

Big sale.

Oh, yeah.

It's a short thing.

Yeah.

I'll give you 40%.

I'll split it with you 60-40.

He says, he'll drive.

She's like, all right.

And then, of course,

Kelly needs to have this really

odd force to make out session with Darryl

in front of Ryan on purpose.

But I want you to know, Jenna,

at 26 minutes 12 seconds,

you get a really good shot of Ryan's

like his phone earpiece headset thingy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

According to Randy Cordray,

our line producer,

there was a lengthy discussion

about which ear headset Ryan should use.

He said, Phil Shade,

like, brought over a tray.

He said, it looked like 12 to 20.

Like, that sounds right, right?

Different versions for them to pick out.

That sounds about right.

Yeah.

They picked a real douchey one.

So good job, guys.

Let's go to the break room.

Jim is having lunch with Michael and Holly.

Two things here.

Mm-hmm.

Contnuity catch.

I don't know if you noticed,

but Michael suddenly does not have a goatee.

Oh, yes.

They were having issues keeping track.

And also, there are a lot of fruit flies

in the vending machine.

Well, lady, I think it's time for a fruit fly breakdown.

Oh, please.

Angela, we got a lot of mail about the fruit flies.

Hit me with your questions,

because I have some answers.

People wanted to know if they were real,

where they see GI.

I remember Jean Stupnitsky told me they were real,

and they even had a fruit fly wrangler.

They were real.

Let me tell you everything I learned about them

in the DVD commentary.

First of all, this whole bit cost thousands of dollars.

All right.

These fruit flies were from the Florida fruit fly growers,

and they were bred specifically for this episode.

These type of fruit flies are a sterile type of fruit fly,

and they are bred for Florida citrus farms.

According to Kelly Cantley,

they have a very specific breeding cycle,

so they had to schedule the fruit flies

to be released on a specific day.

And Randy said we had fruit flies for weeks.

I remember them.

I do too.

We go in the break room,

and there would still be a few buzzing around.

Yeah, I guess even though they couldn't mate.

A lot of them, they really lived beyond their life cycle.

Yeah.

In addition to these fruit flies,

reading schedule that we had to plan around.

Jenna, Phil Shea had to time out rotting fruit

over the course of eight weeks.

Oh my gosh.

This fruit had to go through stages of rotting.

He had a table set up on our soundstage,

full of fruit and different stages of rotting for this scene.

Lady, I was just about to say that.

As you said that,

a memory came flooding back into my head

of this giant long table

where he had created little squares out of tape.

Yeah.

And each square had a different piece of fruit

in it in different stages of rot.

Yes.

All for this one gag.

That is like on camera for like two seconds.

I know.

Again, like some little throwaway line in the script

created all of this production.

Florida fruit flyers.

Yeah.

Roars.

Rotted fruit.

Fruit fly wranglers.

Incredible.

Shifting gears here over at Pratt.

Pam is in the hallway between classes.

She's piling around with her new school friends.

Alex, played by Rich Summers,

making some jokes.

Jim calls.

Pam says, I'm going to call you back

because I made some friends.

Okay, they were trying to make everybody mad.

They were trying to make people feel like

this art school thing might drive a wedge between Jim and Pam.

Now, say I wasn't worried yet.

As I rewatch it, I'm not worried yet.

I'm happy that she's making friends.

I am too.

I do want to say, Pam, what the f with your earrings?

This is Sassy College Pam.

She's got her updo ponytail.

Did you look at the earrings though?

They're like these purple roses.

I mean, has this woman never dressed casually?

I don't know.

I feel like I'm celebrating Pam in this moment.

You're really judging her whole outfit.

I guess, you know, you don't have to be too worried

about Pam attracting other men with those earrings on.

Oh, stop.

I don't know.

She looked cute.

I have to take us back to the bullpen

because at 27 minutes, 13 seconds,

one of the best scenes of this episode

is Phyllis storming in.

She is ticked off.

Jean Stepnitsky said this is his favorite scene of the episode.

I loved it so much.

I mean, Dwight drives Phyllis to an abandoned warehouse

five miles away and kicks her out of the car.

Yeah, he took her money and her phone.

And so she had to walk back.

And Dwight says, I bet you've earned about a thousand calories.

Phyllis is not having it.

I think Pistoph Phyllis is my favorite Phyllis.

It's such a hard call because Pistoph Phyllis is so great.

But I do also love, like, emotionally wounded Phyllis,

like the whole thing that went down with Sue Grafton.

Oh gosh, yes.

At the steam town mall.

Sue Grafton, that was so good too.

Well, she calls David Wallace.

Mm-hmm.

She is done with Dwight.

Week six of the weigh-in.

There is no weigh-in this week.

Holly instead reads an official statement from corporate.

They're just concerned.

You know, this was supposed to be about health and wellness.

And they need to make sure that everyone knows the point of this, like, health kick.

In case the memo wasn't enough,

Michael's going to try to help explain it.

Oh, yeah.

Michael wants to bring it on home with one of his characters.

This is how you get people's attention.

Remember, as a little kid,

who the owl came to his elementary school,

if you want to get through to someone you dress up as a character,

so enter Michael Clump.

Yep.

We had a fan question, Angela, from Greene L.

When Michael says he's wearing his sumo suit from Beach Games,

was Steve actually wearing his sumo suit underneath his clothes?

No.

So here's the deal.

Alicia, our wardrobe designer, was actually part of the DVD commentary.

And she said they weren't able to use the sumo suit.

They had to buy a special type of suit that went under the sports jacket and pants.

And Steve actually had to have two pretty thorough fittings for this whole thing to happen.

Wow.

I bet Steve got hot.

I wonder if they used his air-conditioned vest that you told us about last week.

Because cooling vest?

Yeah.

Probably.

Well, Michael is leading this whole meeting where he wants to celebrate people's body image,

no matter what you look like.

And during this meeting, he looks over and he notices that Ryan has shaved his goatee.

Yeah.

And he's like, Ryan, did you shave your goatee?

And Ryan's like, yeah, I did.

Well, now all the goatees are going to come off.

Well, yeah.

You know, Michael is trying to get everyone to celebrate how their bodies are different,

but beautiful.

And Michael kneels down to talk to Kelly.

You guys, 31 minutes, 21 seconds,

Mindy is doing her classic covering her mouth,

so you can't see her starting to break.

I noticed it, too.

I noticed it right away.

Michael makes Kelly stand up.

He wants everyone to look at her and tell her how great she looks.

Ryan says she's perfect, Meredith likes her fingernails,

Phyllis likes her dress, and Creed says she has a hell of an ass.

Yeah.

And Kelly's like, what else?

I wasn't there.

I was at art school.

Yeah.

It was such a bummer.

There were a lot of things that I missed.

These were the classic conference room scenes when you guys would be stuck in there

for a whole day, maybe two.

Oh, yes.

We got pretty punchy in there.

But one of my favorite talking heads is Phyllis saying she wonders what people would like about her.

Probably her jugs.

Maybe so.

Speaking of art school,

Pam's in class, and Alex is making her giggle.

Flirty, flirt.

They even get in trouble.

Well, I have a little fun fact.

If you listen closely,

you can hear her art school professor saying this.

Some blame it on the new air conditioning system.

This is what he's talking about.

There are these paintings in France called the Las Coe paintings.

If I'm pronouncing that correctly,

they are ancient cave paintings.

And they have just faced incredible disturbance since their discovery.

Because they have tourists come through like upwards of like 1200 tourists a day.

They put an air conditioning in this cave.

They put in lighting systems to make viewing these paintings more enjoyable.

But as a result,

light chins,

I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but

whatever light chins are, right?

And crystals, they start to appear on the walls in the late 1950s.

And they had to close down these caves to preserve what was left of the sacred paintings.

So when he says some blame it on the new air conditioning system,

he's talking about these cave paintings in France.

Well, that was a lot of good information.

I just think it's really cool that our writers,

someone is very, very smart on our writing staff.

Yeah.

Was it Jane?

Was it Lee?

Was it someone else?

I don't know.

Maybe it was Paul Lieberstein because we know he's quite the world traveler.

And likes art.

Someone did a little digging and planted a little seed there.

Yeah.

Well, this scene in juxtaposition to Jim's talking head got people fired up

because here's Pam laughing in art class with Alex.

And then there's a Jim talking head.

He says summer's going great.

Just listen to Michael clump for two hours,

convinced I have an ulcer.

And my girlfriend lives in New York and I haven't seen her in 10 days.

So people were not happy with Pam when this episode aired.

I remember I have a lot to say.

Oh, no.

Well, I just want to say that when Pam went to art school for only three months

when she was not yet married and didn't have children,

people came down real hard on her because of Jim's feelings.

Then when Jim invested in a business without telling Pam and left his family

and left Pam alone to care for their two children while he chased his dreams,

people came down on Pam again for not being supportive enough of Jim.

So in both of these instances, I just want to say I noticed a lot of hate for Pam.

Do I want to call it sexist?

I do.

I do.

Oh my gosh.

I just want to say that Pam faced a lot of scrutiny as a character.

I think because she was a woman.

Right?

Yeah, that river runs deep.

It runs deep and it's going to run long into some future seasons.

Okay.

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We should because when we come back, we're going to have a weather breakdown.

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august 11th and you can just hear the rain now it's time for the weigh-in everyone's in the

warehouse the huge warehouse door is open and it's just coming down hmm wonder why it needed to

rain I wonder why we needed to establish a big rain storm huh you don't know why maybe we'll

find out in a little bit well this was fake rain and yes this was thought out they wanted to establish

this big rain storm outside of the windows of our set in the bullpen where normally there would

be the big backdrops right Jenna yep they brought in those rain panels that you told us about

oh because we had an episode where Michael couldn't get the top up on his convertible

and then it rained inside the car that's right so they brought back in those big window panes

that they were able to sort of recycle water through so it looked like raining and you're

going to see it in the backdrop of several scenes that just help keep reinforcing that it is a rainy

day out the one thing I will tell you is that sometimes with this rain like outside the warehouse

they would have to adjust that for the sound department and editing but they said it sounded real

so the sound department didn't have to edit out the fake rain huh well there you go also if

you're keeping track remember Kelly Cantley in last week's episode gave us a list of things to

keep track of we are now two guys no goatee one guy goatee Michael and Ryan no goatee Dwight with a

goatee that's right they're also having their week seven weigh in and this is when Holly says

she hasn't heard from her yoga teacher date in like three days yeah she had even bought tickets

to the counting crows for that night and she doesn't know like is he gonna show is he gonna call

yeah and Darryl announces that they've lost four pounds four pounds meanwhile back in the bullpen

Jim and Pam they're chatting on I am they're trying to figure out when can they see each other

Jim has a conflict with his nephew's ballgame you know they don't know Jim says why don't you

meet me for lunch yeah kind of spontaneous meet in the middle yeah meet halfway let's meet at

the rest stop that's halfway between New York and screen when this whole time Dwight thinks Jim

is talking about him mm-hmm right that he's up to something and Pam I am Jim and says oh by the way

finished my summer project mm-hmm and Jim clicks on it and guess what's there a picture of Dwight

it is an ASCII portrait mm-hmm which stands for American Standard Code for Information Interchange

which is a character encoding standard for electronic communication ASCII codes represent text

and computers telecommunication equipment and other devices well guess who has a copy of it

who joya and she sent it to me oh my gosh so I have Pam's ASCII portrait of Dwight

I'll put it in our stories I love that well I like it because it shows that Pam is learning things

in school mm-hmm she's not just flirting no she's not everyone and she's taking it seriously

she's putting on her purple flower earrings and marching her ponytail into class Holly goes

in to talk to Michael and she wants him to know that they have lost to Utica yeah by only eight

pounds mm-hmm and Michael's like wait a second we have to the end of the day maybe if they really

go for it they crank up the heat they're gonna wear trash bags maybe they can get there well Andy's

into it immediately he puts on his trash bags he says he does not lose competitions he wins them

or he quits because they're unfair mm-hmm Kelly is not participating she's having some pizza

the wedding planning has not stopped between Andy and Angela Angela says hey she acts very nicely

by the way if the first dance can be to little drummer boy her favorite song and he's like yeah

he's already booked his acapella group oh yeah it's even better than can their last song be to

little drummer boy his acapella group is gonna sing it for you yeah here comes trouble class of

96 and he's like sweetheart you're gonna love these guys Carl one Carl two broccoli rob spare rib

doobie lunch box boner champ that's me pubie Lewis and the news hopscotch jingle jangle and sandwich

yeah and they're collectively gonna be his best man yeah guess who's paging Dwight oh yeah

now if I remember correctly Angela NBC built a website for Andy and Angela's wedding do you remember

that it's not live anymore but do you remember that I do and I asked joy about it she sent me the

home page photo of Angela and Andy's wedding website complete with their wedding gift registry

and the audition video that Andy put together of here comes trouble to be their wedding band wow

I have all of it I'll put it in stories I have all of it and I want to read to you though

the items on the registry please so joyous said the joke was that Andy would list something and

then Angela would list something in stark opposition to what Andy had listed okay so see if you

can guess who put what on the registry the singing machine ISM 370 karaoke with iPod doc noise

cancelling headphones twilight thick non see through shower curtain deadbolt bathroom door lock

modesty changing screen his and hers kitty cat PJs kids small and men size large kitty cat

shades lounge three Cornell big red ultimate outdoor rugs Marie Osmond inspiration bench decorative

wall hat and getty's calendar wow that's what was on the registry on the mbc dot com wedding site

it's time it's time Jim and Pam they're gonna meet up at the rest stop in the pouring rain we have

a lot to share about it Jenna you were there I was not I have some fantastic DVD commentary stuff to

share with you from our crew but you should take it away well this is the proposal scene yes

Jim gets down on one knee and he proposes to Pam she's totally shocked they're at a gas station

you know he was supposed to wait till she got back from art school but he says he couldn't wait

she's completely thrown yeah you can really tell she had no idea in fact the beginning of the scene

she's like hey this is not halfway I drove further like she's her head is so not in that place yeah

but she says yes and they kiss so first of all I just want you guys to know that Greg spoke with us

about this he said that he really wanted Jim's proposal to Pam to be in the season premiere

he thought number one that would be unexpected you usually end seasons with proposals right so he

thought this would be a real shock and it was Jenna I even remember at the table read you know we had

so much going on with this weight loss story and Pam at art school I didn't see it coming no

and we've been teasing it all last season he said he also wanted to throw people off by having it

in a very ordinary location so he wanted to feel special but he also wanted it to feel like Jim

made the decision without a whole lot of planning so Greg thought that the ideal location for this

scene would be a gas station along the freeway between Scranton and New York in the rain and they

based the rest stop on one that Greg Daniels had traveled to as a kid along the Merritt Parkway

we did not actually fly to this location this is the insane part they built this in the parking lot

of a best buy that I have been to many times actually what they did was they used Google

Street View to capture images of a real gas station along the Merritt Parkway and then using

those images they built it to match in this parking lot it took them about nine days to build it

to create the illusion of highway traffic they built a four lane circular race track around the

gas station set they set up cameras on the other side of this raceway and they had cars drive

around it at 55 miles an hour then they added rain pouring down on us these giant rain machines

our production manager Randy Cordray said they had about 35 precision drivers they were driving

not just cars but like semi trucks when we were standing there on that set you could feel the wind

like of these cars speeding past you it was so so bonkers but after we shot the scene

they had to hire a special effects company to paint out the background because the background

were these California mountains and so they had to paint out the mountains and put in some trees

like east coast looking trees in the end this was the single most expensive scene ever shot during

the entire run of the show it lasts 52 seconds and it costs $250,000 oh my lord oh my lord wow yeah

so a quarter of a million dollars for less than one minute of screen time oh my gosh well listen

they talked in depth our crew about this moment in the DVD commentary several obviously very similar

things as what you just shared so after months and months of scouting and meetings it was our

location manager Kyle Alexander who found this enormous paved parking lot I guess it was

off list fearless boulevard yeah acres and acres of paved ground which is what they needed

if they were going to build a racetrack basically right yeah so these cars could loop around

now according to Randy Cordray the reason why it was such a massive massive massive parking lot

is because it was a paved over toxic waste site what yes apparently years and years and years ago

there was an old like ceramics plant or something that had buried lead paint waste into the ground

so they had to seal it and cover it so Angela I just want to make sure that we acknowledge that

the information you've just given us means that Jim and Pam our beloved jam got engaged at a

former toxic waste dump fluorescent jam I mean yikesy well this is what they shared in the DVD

commentary it was a long time ago they sealed it up it's a giant parking lot apparently there's

a best buy there now Michael Gallenberg shares on the DVD commentary one of his favorite things

that he built of this whole set was the drinks behind the glass doors it's in fact one humongous

giant photo it was an inkjet print on foam core paper it looks amazing and there's a great shot

at 38 minutes 32 seconds right behind Jim and Pam I would have never known that those drinks were

a photo yeah it was an incredible set yeah really just kudos to our set design team and our

construction guys they just crushed it it was incredible that one other debate about the scene

which I'm sure you know was whether to have sound or no sound this was a huge huge debate Greg

could not make up his mind they had two versions ready to go one with sound during the proposal

and one without and literally I mean Jake shared on the DVD commentary Jake oust

that up until the day of airing it was the air date Greg was still trying to decide it's so

funny because I vaguely remember that but we spoke dialogue every time yeah so the debate was

just simply whether Jim and Pam were still wearing their microphones and you could hear our

dialogue or Jim and Pam weren't wearing their microphones and you couldn't so we said dialogue

every time it wasn't like there were two different scenes that were written with or without dialogue

it was just whether or not you could hear it yeah I don't think John and I knew about this big

debate because we were just saying our lines every time yeah I liked being able to hear it

I think it was important that you heard it yeah I have a few more things to share that hopefully won't

shatter your memories of this moment like you said the trees were digitally put back in right

they are East Coast trees they were put in digitally by Stargate and here was the other thing

that was a big big question mark about how they do this was the rain how do they do the rain

and they really considered doing it digitally adding it in post production but Paul Feig was very

very against it he wanted the rain to feel as real as possible and we could feel the rain I know

there were you know it was I don't know if it was just the wind from the cars I don't remember

there being wind machines but I do remember the rain hitting us and I mean even though it was a

former toxic waste dump and even though it was a that's by parking lot yeah just like it was actually

to be there really romantic you know it was funny the gas station it was just a front if you went

in it was a like a fakey fake you go through the door and then you're just like looking at trees

it didn't have a back or anything yeah but it felt magical it did and it was so much fun to shoot

that scene I mean I feel like we got it on the first take and maybe we did a few but my memory is

that we weren't there long that we got it pretty early and it was a cool moment it's a really magical

moment well when the gang is ready to weigh in again Jim is late and then he shows up soaking wet

and so happy so happy I was a little sad that they didn't get to spend the whole evening together

after getting engaged I guess Pam just had to drive back to school I know but Jim is so happy

Holly decides that this yoga guy is never going to call her and Michael says you know what I'll

buy the counting crows tickets from you and she's like really everybody thinks this is like

an elite to Michael I'm going to go with her I thought they were going to have a date no Michael

rips up the tickets like gallantly like he's saving the day and she's confused we got some mail

from Emily G okay here's what she said having worked at several concert venues I wanted to let you

know that if you lose or damage your concert tickets you can go to a venues box office with your

photo ID and someone will reprint them for you oh she said I hope Holly knew that was an option

oh that's good to know yeah it didn't seem like Holly knew no I didn't know well now we all know

we all know thank you Emily yeah in the end Dunderclund did not win the weight loss competition

Stanley lost seven pounds yeah he says he's going to take off five days anyway yeah

and now it's week eight Toby is on his fifth week in a hospital room in Costa Rica oh poor

Toby guys remember Toby had his weird moment with Pam so he moved to Costa Rica and on like his

first day our date was it like day three day three he went zip lining and he broke his neck yeah

he hasn't even been to the beach did you notice what was playing on the TV in the hospital room

yes I did it is the hug it out bitch episode of entourage that is the episode of entourage that

Michael quotes in the coup well I have a little location breakdown for you about Toby's hospital room

give it to me it was also filmed at USC oh yeah while they were there filming Pam's art school

they used the USC television stage building and USC asked if eight of their film students could

intern and help that day they had interns in all of the different departments and our crew said

they did a phenomenal job that is so cool mm-hmm before we go I just want to give a shout out

to whoever the guy is in the bed next to Toby he was a background performer Angela I tried so hard

to figure out who this is because he is so funny he just stares into the camera the whole time

Toby is talking it is so good I watched it three times I was like how is this guy doing such a

great job with no words I was so impressed we couldn't figure out who he was we reached out to

several people yes and I checked everywhere you can check he is uncredited in the episode

phenomenal job wait a crush it and you guys that was weight loss part two there's so many

folks to thank for helping us get this episode out to you first of all our crew that participated in

the DVD commentary Randy Cordray Michael Gallenberg Brian Whittle Nick Carbone Ben Patrick Alicia

Raycraft Kelly Cantley and Jake Aust amazing best commentary really such a good listen if you love

behind the scenes information and James O'Carry for letting us bug you with questions yeah we did

we did bug him we did enjoy a bell for oh my gosh I'm so excited to share all of that NBC.com

website is stuff about Angela and Andy and then Greg Daniels yes thank you and also Paul Fig

for that audio clip I promise not to bother you too much Paul Fig well we probably will I know

why am I making that promise but we appreciate our casting crew so much we hope you enjoyed this

one and we are kicking off season five we'll be back for more next week we sure will

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