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Like they're begging the president to just do a deal with him.
I mean, you and I both, the Margot Robbie, she's always begging us.
We're like, hey, please, please, just take me to a movie.
Take me to a, we're like, we're married, we can't do.
And they just keep going.
And I think that's because Willie, a lot of people don't know this.
But I am going to be signing from this point forward, all MSNOW currency.
And you, this excited, I, should I tell, I'm going to tell them.
Willie, guys, I can't, I can't tell you the exact date.
But sometime in the next two weeks is going to be receiving the MSNOW Peace Prize.
He has ended, I think 14 awards, 13 or 14 awards.
He will be receiving the MSNOW Peace Prize.
And Best Sharpie in the world are going to be delivering him the trophy, which is six feet.
It's a beautiful, the tallest, most powerful trophy ever.
And the Sharpie, which I'll tell you the story about that later.
And Willie, I know you're humbled.
I know your family's going to be very proud of you ending, is it for, I think 14 awards, 13, 14
awards. Just since we came on the show this morning, which is, it's just who he is.
It's what he does. He doesn't apologize for it. He loves peace.
He is blessed. He is a peacemaker.
So we have all of that, Willie, plus, you know, my grandma from Dalton, Georgia, she,
she'd always talk about when people say, well, maybe, you know, maybe we need more,
we're struggling a lot, right? She'd always say, Joey, we got gracious plenty.
We got gracious plenty. And that's what, that's what we were served up in heaping
helping's last night regarding TSA benefits. Gracious plenty. First, after doing nothing for five
weeks, you have Republicans from both sides of Pennsylvania Avenue screaming, I got it.
I got it after again, five weeks of doing nothing. But this morning, we have gracious plenty.
So let's be thankful for that as well as, and I don't know where it's going to be. We got a few
years going to be, but your, your MS now peace prize ceremony, I think it's going to be one of the
highlights actually of our 250th anniversary as a nation. I'm humbled and honored. It's the first
trophy I've won since in 1986. We won the Ridgewood Little League town title with Ronaldo's pizza.
So this is a nice follow up to that. Yeah, I think, Joe, the, the Sharpie story we just heard
from the president will hear again later in the show. That was a new one, a sir story from the
president of Sharpie who made his own custom pens to sign the deals. And maybe he was going to use
it to sign the executive order he announced yesterday to pay TSA. Boy, if I'd known we could have
used an executive order, shouldn't we have done that five weeks ago, perhaps, but now it appears
in its haste to get out of town for Easter. Republicans felt the pressure and are hopefully now it
looks like going to get that legislation through and not a moment too soon as people had out for
spring break today and prepare for the Easter holiday. So it was ugly out there for weeks and weeks
and weeks and now spring break finally put the last screw. It appears to Congress they want to
get out of town. So they're going to hopefully now pay our TSA agents and fund DHS.
Yeah, let's certainly hope so with us is one of you have the co host of our 9 AM hour staff
right of the Atlantic. Jonathan Lumiere is excited to design about how the Red Sox began and MSNOW
senior Capitol Hill reporter and host of way too early. She doesn't know it yet, but I think she too
now is a Red Sox fan, Ali Vitale, is that right Ali? And MSNOW National Affairs analyst John
Hielman, he's a partner and chief political columnist at the Pock. He of course supports
the death star. He is a Dodgers fan. So Willie, we had the breaking news overnight that we were
talking about. We can get to baseball later, but Senate lawmakers have passed a bill and they're
going to fund most of the Department of Homeland Security. Tell us all about it.
Yeah, so the move as I said finally could bring an end to the weeks long shutdown that's caused
those hours long lines for you at airports across the country. The measure was passed the unanimous
consent. It would fund the Department except for ICE and Border Patrol. That's something Democrats
have been offering for weeks and now ahead to the House for consideration. This comes just hours
after President Trump said he would sign an emergency order to ensure TSA agents get paid. He made
that announcement on social media, blaming what he called a true national crisis on Democrats,
adding that he would order Homeland Security Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen to immediately pay
agents. The administration didn't provide any further details. So Ali Vitale, let's go to your
congressional beat here and how this all played out yesterday. Clearly Republicans felt the pressure
from the scenes they were watching on television, the phone calls they were getting from constituents.
The desire to get out of town as I said for the two week recess. How did this all play out
yesterday, starting with the president's announcement on social media. And then in the early hours
of this morning, hopefully now a measure to get TSA agents paid. A cascading effect, frankly,
Willie, because you saw the president there making a concession saying, okay, we'll pay TSA agents,
which effectively takes the pain leverage off the table from a political sense, but does the moral
thing of giving these people a semblance of when their next paycheck is going to come,
because this would have been today another missed pay day. So we'll watch that. It also gives
Democrats a new political cudgel in that they can now say what you asked, which is if this was
an option all along. And it's also not clear that it was from the perspective of we don't know that
the president can just sign in an executive order and say, okay, pay these people. But if that is
something that he can do, Democrats are now asking, why didn't you just do this 41 days ago and save
these TSA workers the pain of not knowing when their next paycheck would come. And then there's
the way that the Senate actually went about and did this, because we've seen this deal come together
and fall apart a dozen times over the course of the last month plus. And yet last night,
it was a mix of the dynamics that you mentioned, jet fumes and Senate magic, helping them get this
over the finish line. They did it through something called unanimous consent, all 100 senators basically
saying, all right, you agree to pass this and to bypass all of the procedural motions that we
would need to actually take it to a floor vote. Okay, we've now passed it and we are on our way out
the door for a two week recess. It leaves a lot of questions though. First and most immediately,
when does the House take this up? It's not clear what they're going to do. Maybe it's later this
morning. They've got votes at 10 AM. You look at the dynamics there. I don't imagine that most
Democrats are on board for passing it, but they might not all need to be. And then there's an open
question for two weeks from now when Congress comes back. What happens to the parts of DHS,
specifically ICE and border protections that aren't funded in this? And are there guardrails that
will still be placed on ICE? Remember, that's what started all of this. And Democrats are now coming
away. Yes, getting the deal that they've been proposing for weeks, saying fund everything except
for these immigration enforcement entities. But I think it also says the quiet part out loud.
Republicans going along with this because ICE always had its funding through the mechanism that
they passed last summer, the reconciliation, so-called one big beautiful bill, I always had its
funding from that. And so now the open question is, does it reopen? What does it look like when it
reopens? And are there any guardrails placed on this institution that even Republicans acknowledge
has gotten way out over what it should actually be doing? Of course, evidence by the fact that two
Americans were killed earlier this year on the ground in Minnesota.
Yeah, you know, John Heilman, all of those questions will be handled when they come back,
when Congress comes back. The thing that seemed to me that I just couldn't imagine was
them leaving for their spring break while people are going on spring break. Well, people are
trying to get home for religious holidays. We talked about yesterday, Easter trying to get everybody
together for Easter or Passover or whatever, whatever religious gatherings there are coming up.
And it just seemed that there's just no way Republicans could leave Washington, D.C.
saying no for like the 10th, 11th, 12th time for TSA funding. And you just look at it and
let's just talk about really quickly. I'll just throw it to you really quickly. Just a chaos
seemed to be out there. I talked about how I was standing behind LaGuardia for an hour and a half.
And somebody said, wait a second, you want to run Iran and you can't even run your
effing airports. You can't run LaGuardia. And a lot of anger there and it was rising up because
Republicans on Washington. But man, you have Iran. You have high gas prices. You have the polls
just plummeting for Republicans. And then you had this chaos, which I will say it now that we're
beyond it. A lot of cops, a lot of police commissioners, a lot of security people, you know,
we're constantly saying, Joe, this is an extraordinary, a really frightening possibility for
terrorism where people are milling around on the wrong side of the security screenings.
And Republicans were just sitting there letting it happen. I'm, I'm, you count me thankful
that it looks like this is going to finally be resolved. But man, what damage was done to the
Republican Party? Well, they let this fester for five weeks while an unpopular war was going on
and gas prices are spiking. Yeah, Joe, I was concerned about your situation yesterday. I'm
hoping you made it wherever you needed to make it without too much, you know, having to hitchhike
or take the trailways bus or whatever, because obviously the chaos is not yet lifted. We don't even
know as we said, you know, I'm going to look like you're like you managed to get wherever you
were going. I mean, the airports have an in nightmare. Yeah, good. That's all it matters. Safe and sound.
The airports have been a nightmare. And I think that in the end, right, that we have seen so many
funding crises and so many partial government shutdowns, temporary government shutdowns,
full government shutdowns, an unprecedented number of them over the course of the last five or
six years. I think that all that gets left here politically when this is all passed, right, is
that this is going to be a thing that people broadly associate with the Republicans because
Republicans run the Congress and they run the White House. They're going to remember this period
probably dimly that there was this kind of this chaotic period in the airports when other
stuff seem to be spiraling out of control. That is the narrative, I think, that is based in reality
that the where the Trump presidency and Republican control of Congress have gotten to in most
people. It's mine. The headline here is things are out of control. Republicans own the things
are out of control. Democrats are trying for a period of time to get at least this aspect of
life back under control. Will they get a ton of credit? Will this thing be the determinative
factor in the midterms? No, but it's nothing about this. It does anything to counteract the
overwhelming political headwinds that Republicans are facing now and the broader picture of dysfunction
and disarray both at home and abroad. So I think Republicans, you're right. They did as they often
do, waited until the last possible moment when it became unimaginable to continue with something.
They finally decided that they absolutely had to figure out some way to get things back on track
in this one area. But I think the broader picture of a political damage has not been altered by
this sudden save. And we've got some new Fox News pulling this morning. We'll get to in a moment
that underlines John's point about the whole that Republicans find themselves in politically right
now. Jonathan Lamir, just to watch yesterday play out yesterday morning, obviously on this program,
we and many others were outraged by what we were seeing because it was such an unnecessary crisis
created by politicians in Washington. Donald Trump consumes media. He listens to phone calls.
He watches TV. He sees those lines. And so he stepped in suddenly with this emergency order.
Again, something if he was concerned about this, he could have done many weeks ago and set this
in motion. Did the White House begin to hear the noise and feel the pressure of quieting the
criticism that comes with these lines and to get people moving again? Yeah, they did. And the lines
are such a tangible thing. We could all see and we could experience them. And they were just
simply, they were horrendous and they were inexcusable. And certainly the narrative changed in the
last couple of days, including on this show about how they also wore a security risk. What a
soft target they would have been where someone could have walked into an airport, not go through
any sort of security screening and suddenly find thousands of Americans standing there. You know,
at a time of war, that's a dangerous proposition. So that's part of it. They're absolutely right.
The media coverage, very negative. The president very attuned to that. And this is, I do think to
Hollman's point, a lot of these government shots sound, they don't matter. They come and they go.
Right? Like in the moment, they feel like a big deal. And certainly for the workers who aren't
getting their paycheck, they are a big deal. But a few weeks later, everyone sort of moved on.
This one because of those lines in the airport, I think it might have a little more stickiness,
a little more staying power just in partially because it adds to this sort of general picture
that in particular, the Republicans in Washington are out of touch about what matters. To Joe's point
about that Falmouth commuter he ran into at LaGuardia, like, did they're more consumed? The president's
more concerned about what's going on overseas rather than in his backyard. And by the way,
what he's doing overseas this morning, Ron, is simply making things more expensive here at home.
So this was something that was bad for Republicans. We know the Senate for days now has
wanted to get a deal. And then finally, the president steps in. It looks like late night,
we have something working on the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue as well. But I think this,
this is just adds to a really negative political picture for the GOP.
I mean, I was just going to say, Willie, you look at the fact that a Reuters poll is out,
you know, this week that shows the president's approval rating on the economies at 29% overall
around 36% of Fox News poll slightly higher on his overall approval rating. But all the other
numbers on the economy is low as they've ever been. And then you look at the war and where we
have a poll sort of coming on later talking about this is the least popular war at the onset that
we've ever fought as a nation. Certainly, since polling has begun, that's a Fox News poll,
the economy down 34%. He's upside down 32 points. You can go through any poll. I know the president
will say fake poll, this fake poll, that will there all the polls now. And then finally,
on top of that, with low approval ratings, with the most unpopular war at its onset that
that we've had in our lifetime. And then with air travel, just completely racked,
destroyed for four, five weeks. Again, something that you could see on your screens,
those three things add up and make a terrible situation for Republicans, much, much worse. And so,
I think Republicans on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue finally understood they need to move on.
This is something John Thune wanted to do in the beginning of the week. But I think everybody
got there by the end. Yeah. And I mean, those numbers that you laid out,
paying a terrible picture, not just for the president, but for Republicans who grow with each
passing day more and more concerned, not just about the House, but you hear whispers privately about
the Senate coming this fall when you have 75% of Americans saying the economy is in bad shape,
and that Fox News poll, 64% saying we're headed in the wrong direction. A complete cratering of
support among independents, obviously vital to swing some of these races for president Trump.
It adds up to an ugly picture. And we'll talk about the economic impact, further economic impact
on the markets of the war in Iran. But Ali Vitali, I guess one of the questions we've been asking
quite a bit lately is at what point, because of what many Republicans, as you know, very well,
see coming in the fall, trying to avert or at least trying to mitigate some of the losses that they
think are coming in the fall. At what point do they begin to defy the president? I'm thinking,
for example, of John Thune saying, no, we're not getting rid of the filibuster to pass the
Save America Act. We've got to get people working again. What pressure are they feeling from
the outside to defy the president in a way? Frankly, they never have.
I do think that's been the persistent question, right? Many of them have benefited from the
president's co-tails in the instances where he's been at the top of the ticket. That's definitely
true. That's why he has such political power within the party. And yet, the private concerns
remain persist. And my biggest question is at what point A, do those concerns become public?
We're already starting to see a bit of that on Iran. But B, at what point Republicans realize
that their political fortunes in this instance for November are actually not tied directly to the
president's. He is not on the ballot. He is making their political fortunes more difficult and
only increasing the headwinds that they already face. History tells us it was going to be a tough
midterm for Republicans. Trump is only making that harder. There is that realization among
Republicans on Capitol Hill and in campaign apparatuses, they are just not at a point where they can say
it publicly. And I wonder when or if that point ever actually comes.
You know, and the thing is really the problem for Republicans also is with Donald Trump,
it's like, can't live with him, can't live without him. You look and see Republicans when,
as Ali said, when Donald Trump is at the top of the polls. And when Donald Trump is at the top
of the ballot, people come out and vote for Republicans that never vote for Republicans. When he's
not on the ballot, Republicans lose. So here they are in this situation that upside down in
a historical way. And they're not going to even have Donald Trump on the ballot are his operation
to pull people out to give him a fighting chance to win. And perhaps, perhaps that's why you see
President Trump with what he calls the Save America Act trying to restrict the number of people
who come out to vote this fall. Ali Vitale, thank you as always, still ahead this morning on
Morning Joe. We'll turn to the latest with the war in Iran. As President Trump extends now,
the deadline to reopen the Strait of Hormuz. Plus, new reporting on the growing divide within the
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ongoing talks that he claims are going very well despite Iran continuing to insist publicly it
is not negotiating. That announcement from the President coming minutes after the markets closed
with US stocks having recorded their biggest losses since the war began. Despite the pause on
power plant strikes, fighting continues across the region. The Israeli military said early today
it conducted a wave of strikes in the heart of Tehran with residents describing intense
bombardment. Iran also heading back across the Gulf this morning with missile alert sirens
sounding in Bahrain and Qatar and Kuwait saying its main port was damaged in an attack.
During a cabinet meeting yesterday, President Trump gave his assessment of where negotiations
stand while revealing what he called the present he says he received from Iran that it was the
passage of several ships through the Strait of Hormuz. They now have a chance to make a deal,
that's up to them, and they'll tell you we're not negotiating. We will not negotiate. Of course
they're negotiating. They've been obliterated. Who wouldn't negotiate? They are begging to make a deal.
We'll see if we can make the right deal. And they make the right deal. Then the Strait will open
up. Hormuz Strait will open up. I read a story today that I'm desperate to make a deal. I'm not,
I don't, if I was desperate he'd be the first to don't be. Let's get that out of there.
I'm the opposite of desperate. I don't care. In fact, we have other targets we want to hit
before we leave. They said to show you the fact that we're real and solid and we're there.
We're going to let you have eight boats of oil, eight big boats of oil and they were,
they were real. And I think they were Pakistani flagged. And I said, well, I guess we'll deal
with the right people. And actually, they then apologized for something they said and they said,
we're going to send two more boats and we ended up being ten boats. I hope I haven't screwed
up your negotiations. I thought it was appropriate to say because I did talk to you the other day by
saying they're going to give us a present. Let's bring in a former spokesperson for the U.S.
mission to the United Nations, Haggar, Shamali, and MSNOW White House reporter Jake trailer.
Jake has new reporting on an apparent divide within the White House over the war in Iran. Good
morning to you both. Jake, I'll start with you on that reporting for viewers at home in the
American public who may be confused about messaging about this war. It's aims when it's going to end.
They're not alone because it appears some of the White House aid surrounding President Trump
also are confused. Tell us about your reporting. Yeah, well, good morning. That's right. Look,
it's really eliminating reporting here just about the growing tension that exists within the White House
on the messaging on the war with Iran. That's from the President himself and also the White House
communications team. I spoke with three different White House officials about this, two of which
you were actively still employed at the White House. One of them told me that the President's
messaging around Iran over the past couple of weeks, but increasingly so has been hyperbolic.
They continue to say that the President has essentially grown bored with the war in Iran and is
looking to round things up and has already shifted his energy to more domestic issues.
Another official was telling me that typically a strategy of the President that he's employed
over the years is essentially lying to the American people, but knowing that eventually they will
get on board with some of the things that he's saying is he kind of slowly ingest that into their
system. But that this time around with in a war like setting, that's not necessarily the case.
It's not hitting the same way it has previously. There's also this second component in frustration
amongst folks when inside the White House walls about the social media strategy taking place about
the war in Iran right now. We've seen over the past couple of weeks White House social media accounts
posting a lot of these meme-like posts, essentially, memeing movies, rap songs, and showing in
compilation these attacks that are killing, of course, Americans have died as well as folks in
the Middle East making very light of the subject. One individual told me that he was
upset to be working at the White House right now at a time like this, said the videos were cringed,
disrespectful, and gross. I threw line here, though, for all of these White House officials that I
spoke with here, is that they say that they're not going to voice their opinion inside White House
walls because there is real fear, especially in a second Trump administration, that voicing their
opinion of disagreements in this moment wouldn't mean losing their jobs.
Yeah, you know, Hagar, you look at how the President's run this war from the very beginning. He
didn't notify Europe. He didn't notify Congress. He's always in these matters. He holds the
strategy close to his vast. He doesn't trust Congress. He doesn't trust allies. He doesn't trust
the press and was able to launch a successful first strike on the leadership of Iran, and it seems
to be, and I'm sure you agree. It's just why he does things in war, not traditional and deeply
concerning. Obviously, the members of Congress and allies, but as we move forward, he's got our
Gulf region allies pulling at him. He's got Israel pulling at him. He's got other people pulling
at him saying, stay in the fight. The Wall Street Journal editorial page said you started this
thing, end it. But on the other side, as we've said here from the very beginning or reporting a
shone, he expected this to be a two, three, four week war. It's just doesn't seem politically
possible for this war to drag on into the summer months. But where does that leave the region?
Where does that leave the president? Where does that leave the issue on the straits?
Well, you know, Joe, you hit a really important point about his pattern in approaching the
communications around this war, but also any other kind of foreign or military operation.
And he has this pattern of deliberately keeping people confused. He does not care about communicating
to the U.S. public, although I would argue that to disservice actually in his efforts.
But even by the way, this window of negotiations and the negotiations are happening and we know that.
But he has this rosy view that he portrays. And that might not at all be true. In fact,
he might not at all be interested in a deal. We will never know on our end. It's part of a game he
plays. And the reason for that is that, and this is in his book, by the way, in the art of the
deal. When you appear willing to walk away, when you are confusing in your communications,
you retain all the power. And that's very important to him whether he's pursuing any foreign
policy objective, but particularly in a war like this one. Now, to your point about what this
means for when it ends, I still believe he is very interested in not having this go very long.
I do agree, even for those who might be against this war, that once you started it,
we have to be very clear about what the other side could look like.
There is no scenario I see where if the vestiges of this regime exist, that you're going to have
anything other than a harsh crackdown and power vacuum and something much more dangerous certainly
for the Gulf, that's why Saudi Arabia is literally begging the White House not to stop and to
continue going. So we might have something somewhere in the middle, but I think it'll go on for
a little longer and it would be a mistake to end it too soon. But he's not going to be able to
go too much longer like you said nine to the summer months.
Yeah, I mean, President Trump is actively looking for an off-ramp.
Like this war has not gone as planned. He would like to end it sooner than later,
but he can't just yet. He is, as AIDS acknowledges, he's in a bit of a bind right now because
well, as Hagar just explained, walking away now leaves behind an embittered regime that will never
trust the U.S. again, has more motivation to lash out against neighbors and the West.
Also, the Strait of Hormuz remains effectively shut right now and there is a lot of pressure right
now. There's also real apprehension as I wrote last night that the NATO is fearing the worst from
Trump in terms of his retribution because they won't help with the Strait of Hormuz. They're
very concerned that even if Trump doesn't actually try to blow up NATO and pull out which he has
threatened in the past in which the Greenland crisis almost gave us just six weeks or so ago.
At the very least, he could move troops out of Europe as retaliation, shift them elsewhere,
leaving Europe far more vulnerable to advances from Russia and other enemies. And John Humman,
the president, yeah, he wanted the quick victory. He wanted to put another scalp on the wall.
Like, you know, he wanted to have another win like Maduro. He's not gotten that and now he's
playing this game. There was very little surprise yesterday. He extended the deadline again.
He doesn't want to do this. He, in terms of that obliteration that he keeps threatening.
And I think he was really spooked when he rod hit the Katari LNG plant because that showed him.
Did they have a big say over energy crisis, energy markets now and potentially for years to come.
He's looking for an off ramp, but at the same time, keep sending ground troops to the region,
at least as a negotiating tactic. Threatening, he may go in with boots on the ground, which of course
would be a real escalation potentially very bloody for Americans.
Well, right, Jonathan. And you mentioned that Katari LNG field, the facility there,
which actually just is worth dwelling on for two seconds just because it highlights the notion
of how the long-term challenge that this war has imposed in terms of the economic cost of it.
That single LNG facility in Qatar is now sent to be. It is the largest liquid natural gas
facility in the world. It provides a rather shockingly large percentage of the total liquid
liquefied natural gas in the world. And 20% of its capacity is now offline for the next five years.
So you can sell this war tomorrow and the economic effects on prices, not just of gas prices,
but diesel prices, fertilizer costs, even things like generic drugs are going to be elevated because
of what we've already seen in the war. And to your point a second ago, Donald Trump may want an
off ramp. But as we know, Joe, I listened to the show yesterday, you guys had a very long
discussion of this. The enemy has to say in this, right? And it takes me back to that question,
which is, we always analyze this entire issue and the president's political and military
and strategic objectives through the lens of the presidency, which makes a lot of sense.
But we don't often or as often as I think it would be useful,
analyzes through the point of view of the Iranians. And although the president yesterday said,
well, they're desperate to make a deal. There's not a lot that indicates desperation on the part
of the Iranians. In fact, from their standpoint, the terms of the strategy that they've employed,
they seem to be not exactly winning this war, but certainly not losing it. And I don't really
fully understand, if you look at it from the Iranian point of view, what it is that creates the
kind of incentives that Donald Trump is facing, what it is that creates those kind of incentives.
Of course, they want the bombing to stop. But this is an existential fight from them and the way
that they're fighting it is succeeding on the terms that they've set. And so the question is,
how do we get kind of an alignment in terms of interest here? I don't see it as clearly
as apparently President Trump does in terms of the Iranians begging to make a deal.
Yeah, and the reason why, obviously, is just the imbalance in what's motivating both sides.
And where the pressure is applied for the Iranians, if they lose this war,
if this regime is pushed out, Willie, most of these leaders probably think that they will be killed.
Most of these leaders look what happened to Qaddafi, most of these leaders look at what happened
to Saddam Hussein. So this is an existential fight, not only for the radical revolution, they started
in 1979, but also a fight for their very lives, for their families' lives, for everything that they
know. On the other side, the leverage comes in the S&P index fund. And so there is a radical
imbalance there. And you have, remember Pam Bondi saying the Dow is over 50,000. Let's not talk
about the Epstein files. Well, now it's moving towards 45,000. The S&P has had one of its worst
months and years. Oil went up overnight. And again, we will see if the president can withstand
the pain of markets going down and oil going up, then he can hold out and negotiate a tough deal.
But again, part of the problem here is just to build in. Iran, as we said from the start,
it's not Venezuela. And Iran has the ability to inflict serious pain on our markets unless
the regime is changed. And right now, that's looking much more difficult than not only
analysts in the White House thought at the start of this war, but also a lot of people in Washington,
DC. Yeah, and as many of the experts we've had on the show said, you can't kill your way through
this regime. You kill one. And the next one comes along from the IRGC to your point about the
markets this morning. Joe Brent crewed the international oil number across $110 a barrel down to
like 109 right right now. That's a huge number. And if you listen to what some analysts are saying
this morning, they're not any longer buying this thing where President Trump gives an extension
to a lay the markets to say, okay, we're going to give them five more days. We're giving them 10
more days. They don't like where this is headed and they don't like the way politics are playing
into it. So oil at $110 a barrel is disastrous for the economy and for what consumers here in America
pay at the pump. MSNOW White House reporter Jake Trailer, thanks so much for bringing us your
reporting this morning. It's available to read online now and former spokesperson for the U.S.
mission to the United Nations, Hagar Shamali. Thank you as always. Coming up next, President
Trump defends his mail-in voted Florida Special Election this week despite pushing for new voting
restrictions ahead of the midterms and calling mail-in voting mail-in cheating. Say what he said
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earlier when it comes to President Trump's job performance. Overall, 41% of people responding
approved while 59% disapproved. On the economy, he has 32 points underwater and on inflation,
that number spikes to a 43 point net negative, only 28% approve of how he's handling inflation.
Let's bring in senior writer at the dispatch columnist at Bloomberg opinion, David Drucker.
David, good morning. It's good to see you. So there's a lot to fold into. Those are some of the
economic numbers, but when you look at the wrong track number in the Fox News poll, 65% say we're
in the wrong track, 75% say the economy is in bad shape. There's the economy. There's the war in
Iran. There's people standing in long TSA lines. Hopefully that's getting resolved here this morning.
What does it all add up to for Republicans? Yeah, well, it doesn't add up to anything good for
them right now. And I think we're getting to a point where we've long talked about the House
of Representatives being in trouble for Republicans. It's such a thin majority. You don't even need a
wave election for a control of the House to change hands, and it's almost assuredly going to.
But we've now reached a point with a lot of these poll numbers consistently over time and getting
worse, where the Senate is now considered in play, and you can't just assume, despite the fact
that the Republicans have a very favorable map, blue states versus red states, that they're going to
remain in control of the Senate in November. And that's just what happens in a midterm election
when your party controls the White House, and voters don't like the way the president is doing his
job. Yeah, and David, it happens as you and I have said, and the president himself has said,
it usually happens in midterm elections anyway. You add these numbers, and you had really
sort of a whole sort of a consistent hangover from, and a holdover from the Biden administration,
where you had prices going up. The president said he was going to bring him down. The prices
continue to go up, maybe two, three percent, but that's on top of a lot of things since 21.
Then you have voters who are very angry, and they're angry because things cost a lot less
than 2019. I'm wondering what you're hearing from Republicans regarding the issue we've been talking
about this morning, thus far, and that is, how long is the president able to hold out? How long
is the president able to tell the Iranians? No, we don't care how high oil goes. We don't care
how low the S&P 500 goes. We're going to stay in this fight until you meet us on our terms.
That question asked through the eyes of Republican leaders in the House and the Senate,
what are you hearing that answer to be? How patient will they be?
They've been patient. We were beginning to see a little grumbling with Republicans on the Hill
wanting more information about the war and sayings how it's being conducted. Just information,
they're not splitting with the president. I think what we have seen so far over the past couple
of weeks, particularly because we're in primary season, is they're not going to be at least too
publicly dismissive or upset with the administration. What is Congress working on? What is the
Senate working on right now? They're working on the Save America Act, which is all about imposing
some national voting standards on the states. Where do voters want the administration and want
members of Congress focused? They want them focused on the economy, particularly on costs and the
cost of living. They're not even making the voters priorities their primary focus. They're not
even making the war in Iran their primary focus. We're in the middle of a war. What are they making
their primary focus? This other issue. In a vacuum, you could say, hey, maybe this is something
that Congress should tackle. There's some support out there for this to be addressed.
But politics isn't about doing what you want on your timeline. It's about doing what the voters
want on their timeline. I just think that shows you how much deference the president retains
with Republicans despite an atmosphere that is very, very troubling for them.
Yeah, and to David's point, I mean, the president and Republicans are focused on the Save America
Act, but they're also, it's very dishonest framing of what's in there. It's not just about voter
ID, which yes, it is broadly popular. There's so much else in there, some draconian restrictions
that, you know, about, it would disenfranchise so many Americans. Millions of Americans would not
be able to vote. And as we talked about a great length yesterday, it really feels like it's more
of a regalections act as well as a bunch of other GOP priorities tossed in there. It's not popular.
That's not what Americans want this administration to focus on. It also, of course,
continues as part of President Trump's crusade against mail-in voting. He was asked about
that yesterday at the White House. Let's take a listen.
President?
Tell me about mail-in ballots going. You may not use the mail-in ballot. You probably said,
yeah, I did. You know what? Because I'm president of the United States. And because of the fact
that I'm president of the United States, I did a mail-in ballot for elections that took place
in Florida because I felt I should be here instead of being in the beautiful sunshine.
That's right. And I, yeah, and I decided that I was going to vote by mail-in ballot because I
couldn't be there because I had a lot of different things. But you know, we have exceptions for
mail-in ballots. You do know that, right? So if you're away, we have an exception. If you're in
the military, we have an exception. If you're in a business trip, we have an exception.
If you're disabled, we have an exception. And if you're ill, if you're not feeling good,
so I was away mostly in Washington, D.C., so I used the mail-in ballot. But I appreciate the
question because I know it was so well-meaning.
The other part of that exchange is the reporter there, Elizabeth Landers from PBS,
notes that President Trump was actually in Florida the last couple of weekends and could have simply
gone to the polling place, voted early, just a mile or so down the road from both Marlago
and his golf course, where he spent most of the weekend. And John Hammond, again, it's sort of the
hypocrisy, I suppose, is not all that surprising. But there are also so many Republicans
who are pulling their hair out because it's like Mr. President, our voters use mail-in ballots too.
Well, right, Jonathan. I mean, not only is it obviously hypocritical and we could spend all
day just on the hypocrisy, but there's also just, I mean, just if you actually just take the
argument on its face. Trump constantly talks about how mail-in voting is fraudulent across the
board. On any other day, you can hear him out there talking about how we got to get rid of mail-in
balloting entirely because it's obviously just the way Democrats tool the Democrats use to cheat.
So beyond the hypocrisy, but it's just an incredibly illogical set of arguments. He's basically saying,
well, mail-in voting is terrible except in certain circumstances that are the circumstances that
really pertain to millions of people in addition to Donald Trump, that list of litany of things
that he has said there about why he had to vote by mail. This is to your broader point, though.
It is often forgotten that for the longest time through most of our lifetimes and through most
of the history of mail-in voting in America, mail-in voting was seen as something that favored
Republicans and not Democrats. It is the thing that the Republican Party banked on for the longest
time as a source of a kind of electoral advantage and not as a disadvantage. In fact, the Trump
has stood this on its head in the way that he has. Except, of course, you'll note in 2024,
when he was on the ballot and he was persuaded to back off his critiques of mail-in voting because
his very smart political team told him that in order to win some of the important battleground
states that if he needed to have mail-in voting, he needed to stop denigrating it or else he was
going to end up doing himself harm. So this is a not only, obviously, callous, obviously cynical,
obviously politically driven crusade. It's also one that is, like so many things Donald Trump does,
self-defeating and more importantly, defeating to a lot of people in his own party when it comes
to these midterm elections. And one note from Politico this morning, President Trump sent his
mail-in ballot from Palm Beach, so he wasn't at the White House doing his business as he claimed
there. Senior writer at the dispatch and calmness of Bloomberg opinion. David Drucker, thank you very
much. We'll be reading your latest reporting on Trump's endorsements ahead of the midterm. Still
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