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Bommati Jones is with us.

So he's nice enough to spend some time with us the right time with Bommati Jones.

Wherever you get your podcast is real goody errors on the Zoom teller as well.

Is he will be upset by this first question?

He's tired of me talking about Michael Jordan, I think, and his greatness.

So Bommati, well, Michael Jordan, have a better career as a NASCAR owner than LeBron James'

has had as a basketball player.

You know, I gotta say something, man.

When I used to do highly questionable, I figured out a very interesting angle-slash approach,

which was poppy would say something crazy.

Right.

And I would then find some kernel that could be pulled out and turned into something coherent.

Right.

It became that.

And since you made me aware that you were going to ask this question,

I have been actively seeking this kernel.

And I mean, I've looked bad.

I've dug deep, I've tried hard.

And I just can't quite figure out.

How to legitimize this one.

What?

I can't say this.

How about LeBron give himself a NASCAR team?

How about that?

Yes.

I just be curious to see how this goes.

If he could give himself a NASCAR team and then they, you know, they do get out.

I'm glad you're confused by this, too, Bo, because I too am confused by his premise that I would be upset with him.

I'm not sure.

Taylor, what was the last time we talked Michael Jordan?

I don't even know where that came from.

I mean, I bring him up anytime I can.

I think we did it last week on the radio show.

I'm only bringing up the fact that Jordan has won three consecutive races as an owner.

Okay.

And, you know, but LeBron has won four titles as an NBA player.

That's the same thing.

One race is an NBA title.

Okay.

I didn't realize that was the equivalent.

Yeah.

I came down, joined in them.

I forget his name in like Tyler or Tyson or something like that.

He's like, he's not like one of Taylor's friends.

What's his name?

Tyler Reddick.

Yeah, they're ready.

There we go.

Oh, that could mean that could go a bunch of different directions.

So anyway, like I do think that those three wins are interesting.

So guys, exactly like he came back down three, one to the greatest team of all time.

I wanted to pull that one off.

I'm just comparing rings because it's the wisiest thing to do.

And I'm lazy, buddy.

That's.

Yeah.

No, no, no, no.

But like, we need to, there was a time where I feel like we would have absolutely got LeBron

out there making that happen.

Like, let's see.

Let's go.

Hey, man.

Look, Mike is already a NASCAR legend.

He went out there.

He got in that lawsuit.

Yes.

You know, he went out there and scrapped it out with these people.

Also, let us, I mean, it's 2026, but it'll be 2086.

And Michael George, black ass owner in a NASCAR team, still going to be, you know, that feels kind of historic.

It does.

And he's great at it because he's great.

He's the greatest to, uh, to have ever lived.

Taylor made a comment a couple of weeks ago.

I laughed him off the fucking radio.

He said the Charlotte Hornets are going for it.

Beaumonti Jones.

Are the Charlotte Hornets going for it?

What do you mean by it?

That's what I said, though.

You mean like they're going for it this year or it's a realistic possibility.

Beaumonti, all I'm saying is the last 32 games.

The highest net rating in the NBA belongs to the Charlotte Hornets.

That is great.

That doesn't mean they're going for it.

Perhaps would like to have it.

But hey, man, let's be fair to them.

They have three guys that one could argue.

Are very good players.

Yeah.

Um, they got Lamello.

And my buddy, Rod, who'd watch he's a Hornet season ticket holder.

And he obviously watches the Hornets more than me.

He swears to me that Lamello was not a loser.

Right?

Like he is adamant that he's not a loser.

Have you seen his toes?

I mean, I guess I'll say.

And so it is my respect for him.

That makes me say maybe Lamello isn't a loser.

But like, and I ain't watching them any of the games.

But he has the statistical profile of a loser.

Like, and that's not to say he don't have a lot of points.

But a lot of losers score a lot of points.

But they say he not a loser.

I think Brandon Miller is good.

And then they got a, what's his name?

Tom Knipple.

Hey.

Tom.

I'm all in a nipple.

Yeah.

Thank you.

This is going to be interesting with this con.

Knipple thing.

The whites.

You got like a local white.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh, best odd couple in sports.

Lamello.

I'm telling you.

Yeah.

And by the way, shout out to everybody who is relieved to find out.

And also the rest of you who are a little disappointed to find out that his middle name does not start with the K.

But that's okay.

Because all of his siblings start with the K.

So it's in there somewhere.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I do, I do think like when you as a white person, like Gary Kubiak also on this list,

like when you make this decision that you're going to do this,

the fact that it never dawns on you that maybe this isn't the best idea.

You know what I'm saying?

Like this.

Not what's like.

If somebody was from L.A., and Linda, like black people L.A.,

they would be very careful about having back-to-back K.K.

Because it might seem like, you know, you got a problem with the crypts.

They would, this would be in their minds.

Yes.

I just don't know how this is in your mind.

Or is it?

I don't want to do that.

Like, for example, I cut Steve Kerr some slack.

Yeah.

Because for those of you who don't know, he has a son named Nicholas that has to go by Nicholas

because when your last name is Kerr, it is a little difficult to go by Nick.

It needs to be a serious level of enunciation when you say your name is Nick.

It was a family name, right?

I don't know.

I don't care.

Right?

And you have to say that slowly too.

Yeah.

You sometimes have to do it.

Long pause.

Like I got a buddy whose name is Hughes and his last name starts with an S.

So he's very careful about separating the two.

Sure.

Because otherwise you think his name is Hugh.

Anyway, I understand you, Steve Kerr, just didn't think about it.

And my understanding is he rules the fact that he did not consider him.

On the board, totally get it.

Yes.

Double K thing.

It's tough.

Bo, there's a K and Luke Cornett who was complaining about Magic City night in Atlanta.

And I was laughing at Magic City night because there's all the details of it, you know, the

owner of Atlanta being involved in a documentary.

It's all for money.

It's all not just to celebrate an institution, but I just wanted to get your thoughts on

that.

It's funny how Luke Cornett calls it out.

And then everybody says, no, no, no, you have to call out every injustice in all of sports

if you're going to call out this one.

And I'm just like, okay, nobody's going to say anything anymore.

Yeah.

Like I saw a little bit of it.

I was a little.

I was intrigued by the fact that he cared enough to share this of all people.

He plays in San Antonio.

Yeah.

And I'll also note, I thought that what he said was very thoughtful.

I think the outrage machine just jumps on the idea of somebody coming down on this.

And I think that there's the people feeling as though he's ruining their fun.

And then there is the next level of extrapolation that is the most like 21st century of it all,

which is him and not showing adequate respect for the sex workers.

I mean, I mean, it really wasn't that long ago that we had kind of, look, I say this

is somebody I tell you by the time the first, the second, the third, the fourth and the

fifth time I went to Madden City.

They all have distinct like stories and reason that they stick out in my head.

I am not approved when it comes to strip clubs, but the idea that in his exploitation is

not foreign, right?

And it is not.

And Ladda's a little bit different because it's so mainstreamed into the culture.

But like when you go to strip clubs in places that are not really Atlanta, there's a couple

of others.

Man, I should have said.

Oh, yeah.

You know, I'm like, you get in there.

You get your word for it.

Yeah.

No, no, no.

You get in there.

You just kind of like, hey, man, this is like nobody, nobody wants to be here.

The patrons don't want to be here.

The girls can't.

Everyone's looking at each other at a corner.

It doesn't feel like a party, right?

Atlanta's different.

It does.

It's like, like Madden City is like a Cirque de Soleil situation, all of this stuff.

However, I do not, I did not think it was appropriate.

To do a night at the arena.

Like the strip club is not a place for families, but the same people who complain about pride

night.

It's different.

Obviously.

No, but Monty's right, walk into a strip club and tell me the one guy you see that brought

his kids.

I mean, yeah, yeah, like it's not like a basketball game is something completely different

than that.

Now here is how I think they get around this, which is basically everything in the announcement

about Magic City night was like, there's going to be a T.I. concert at halftime.

And they were talking about the wings.

What about the girls?

Hey, if it's Magic City, it's not a wearing joint.

Yeah, yeah, where are the girls?

Oh, wait a minute.

That's right.

It's wildly inappropriate to have the girls at a basketball game, which is why this is

a crazy idea.

You know what I mean?

Like I'm not like wildly offended and all of this stuff, but no, this is not, this is

not what it's supposed to be.

You know where I would rather be the Magic City night at the arena?

Magic City.

That's where.

Right.

And I won't have to watch the fucking hall.

In fact, you asked them to change the television if the Hawks are on the TV.

Yeah, wait, other TVs, I don't know.

Yeah, there are TVs, there are TVs, but there's, but there's another irony to this, which

is an understanding of how Atlanta became the strip club city.

And so for these loose rules that they had, and I can't tell you all the particulars,

but it was intentional that the city created laws that were amenable to having a bunch

of strip clubs.

And the reason was they figured that having a bunch of strip clubs would make the city

attractive for conferences and conventions, that all these industries, like we think

about with the time period, was these are all men who went out of town.

And so they're like, cool, we'll just have strip clubs all over the place for you.

And it's just impossible to explain how many strip clubs there are in Atlanta, right?

They're just a giant number of them.

But anyway, the point of those strip clubs ironically was not so that they could exist

for the locals.

They were there for the out of towners, and then it became this mainstream part of the

local culture.

Again, a part of the culture that I thoroughly enjoy, but some things we supposed to

whisper about.

You know what I'm saying?

It's interesting.

I'd watch a 30 minute documentary about that.

I'm tempted to ask Beaumonti about all five of the stories he has from each of the first

five appearances, but I can't because you have to whisper these things.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

But I'll also say this.

I feel like the way that we talk about strip club like I'm public is kind of like what's

happened with weed legalization.

Yeah.

It is much more fun going to the ATM, getting cash and having a covert transaction.

With someone, then it is to pay with your debit card.

Yes, in front of a cop, right?

It's just not as much fun doing it that way.

Wait, you can pay for a dance with a debit card?

Well, actually, that was me talking about weed, but there are, you can go to a club now,

and a girl will put her heel on something where there will be a QR code that will allow

you to cash at her.

You are codes, the end of civilization.

Yeah.

I'd say this though, that right there, that's a, that's a handy dandy, that's a handy dandy

move.

Yeah.

And there.

Yes.

I've told the story before Beaumonti.

He was such a better time where I used to go to a place called the Thai door, and I would

stick my hand.

I knock on the door.

We're talking about weed again.

Yeah.

We're talking about weed.

Yeah.

We're talking about weed.

I'm sorry.

I moved away from the strip club.

I'm looking for just coarses and weed and I would stop at a place called the Thai door.

I knocked on the door.

He would open a little kind of sliding window there.

He'd stick his hand out, he'd hand me the weed.

I'd put my hand in, give him the $20, and I'd never see that man face.

I don't want to see that man face, but I felt like I was moments away from getting arrested

and it felt good.

Yeah, make you feel real.

Yeah.

You know, make you feel like you part of a scene.

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Well, maybe there is.

I'm just not thinking of it right now, Boston, the Celtics.

I Jason.

I mean, let me tell you what there is not in Boston.

You know, right now, like, it's a Boston me to the magic city and they had magic city

died in Boston.

Oh, it would be some protests.

Yes.

It would be giving not not one damn about them girls, but it would be a process.

You'll laugh at this.

Just back to the hawks.

I'll get the Boston in a second.

My friend is the president of business operations for the Atlanta hawks.

One of my best friends.

Yes.

So you knowing me the way I do and knowing the people that I grew up with and hang out

with.

I know the surprise to you that he pulled this off, right?

No, no, no, none, none.

Yeah.

It's a lot of money.

Celtics.

Jason Tatum.

The people that are saying, don't bring Tatum back because the team is playing well with

Adam.

To me is absurd.

Jason Tatum, one healthy, one of the 10, 15 best players in the world and he only makes

your team better.

What do you think about the Celtics and bringing him back here?

I mean, I have to operate on the assumption that everybody involved understands what they're

doing here, right?

Yeah.

I think it's crazy for everything I've ever known about like what a recovery from an Achilles

tear is.

It seems preposterous to me.

Now I do know that what is very unique about the situation and I don't know why it's unique,

but it is very unique is that they got him on the table the day after the tear and that

apparently is much faster.

Dominic Wilkins, who had a miraculous Achilles recovery in 1993, I want to say was the year,

they got him on the table the next day as I understand it.

So I feel like everybody has a lot invested in this, right?

Tatum, obviously his body forget about the money, but he's got that invested in this.

The Celtics, they got a lot of money left to pay him on that deal.

The fact that everybody is going for this implies to me that it's not unsafe, right?

Maybe they do this with a, like he's not going to pay 35 minutes a game or something like

this.

I do think though that if he can play this year, you start to process this year and get

all those like I'm scared of games out of the way so you don't drag it into next year.

But let us also not forget the reason that they are here and they are in this situation

is that I don't know about how the whole franchise felt, but I know my man, Joe Mizzula found

the idea of tanking out the season absolutely offensive.

And that was something they were never going to do.

And the whole reason that there's even a thought of bringing Jason Tatum back is these guys

refused to be a bunch of losers and decided that they was going to try and guess what?

They have a chance to win the East.

And they even made the, the effort, assignments move that I thought, hey, that's a nice piece

for them.

Off front of him during the trade deadline and still are like making, again, making moves

that seem like they're going one way, but are going the other direction.

And it's just been crazy impressive.

But here's my thought when it comes to Jason Tatum bow is he's not a guy that you can slide

in with other players and say, hey, fit in, obviously, that's what happened in the Olympics.

He's super talented, but he needs the ball.

He needs all that.

And so can he, and I think this is where his thinking is, can he go ahead and just sort

of plug and play without demanding the ball without, you know, the usage rate going through

the roof.

And then you see the rustiness and you see the lack of chemistry there.

Is it a style of play thing that maybe even he is recognizing, hey, maybe I will mess

up this chemistry more than people think?

Yeah, I think there is a great question that you asked there.

I also think, and I, if you got the, the, the, the, the angel devil shoulder situation

that the angel is like, well, you know, what if I come in?

And, you know, I mess up the, the, the system and the chemistry and then the other angel

is like, what if they are just fine without me?

Yeah.

Right.

And that's the fear.

That was his problem, but I will ask you this, what if the move is to basically turn

him into something that we really don't see in the NBA anymore?

We still have very good bench players who are still six men, but we ain't got a lot

of Vinnie Johnson's no more, right?

And like, neither like Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford are out of the NBA.

I mean, six men whose entire job is, let's get some buckets right fast.

I can play as hard as I can, get these buckets and go sit down.

If the Celtics have room for that, this could be imagine telling Jason Taylor, all you

got to do 15 minutes, put up every shot you can.

Yeah.

And here's the carrot at the end of that, hey, and you might be able to steal back that

NBA finals MVP.

Yes.

Jason Brown took from you.

We can't go out there and scored 20 minutes and 15 minutes of play, 20 points and 15 minutes

of play.

So I think they're problems and I think problems where this is going to get weird

is next year, because Jalen Brown, who we were all chastising very recently for his inability

to dribble.

Yes.

Since then is what a final MVP and has played legitimate MVP, caliber basketball.

Yes.

Like, what'd you go go?

I mean, I think all of us had assumed that as a Tatum 1, a Brown 1, B.

They're like the same age, basically, they're one year apart.

So there's no, there'll never be a transition, right, or like, all right, like magic becomes

the guy you're creating steps back.

That's never going to be on the board.

So what are they going to be next year when Jalen Brown is like, I mean, I think we did

pretty good with me.

I thought you guys were pretty happy with what you got.

Right.

They're fighting for 1a.

You're right.

Right.

You telling me this wasn't good enough?

Hey, man, other than the other than the broad and weighed heat, which took some time to

get right to, if I'm not mistaken, like, this is the only team that's really gotten

it done where your top two players are a 2 and a 3.

Yeah.

I mean, you could argue the bucks with Middleton and Yannis or maybe Yannis, but these guys

played the same position.

Right.

They do the same stuff.

Yes.

Yep.

Where are you at with the nicks right now because it feels like they're win against the

spurs.

Well, you left it was huge for now now I'm distracted.

No, no, no, no, because you tell us the nicks have a chance because you tell us the nicks

have a chance of the nicks have a chance, but you left it and the second he brought up

the nicks.

No, I laughed at him because, you know, when you don't live in New York and you're surrounded

by nicks fans, so I actually think get a bit of a bad rap.

They jumped the gun a little bit, but they just really want their team to be good, they're

wildly optimistic.

And after like nine years of living here, I view them like with a certain tenderness that

I didn't have before because they would just always come up to me and be like, man, can

you please just tell me something good?

That's what I mean.

Like, I don't think nicks fans are as obnoxious as we think, but when they are obnoxious,

of course.

I think they've been sufficiently humbled by the last 25 years of basketball, okay?

I smile because living here, I am so much more invested in the nicks being good, because

if the nicks are good, living here is so much better, everybody's just in a better mood,

right?

Like going out to restaurants, stuff like that, you know, yeah, like the weather, like

think about this, if they make a deep playoff run, the weather's going to start being

good, you know, it's going to be some bad ones wearing jersey dresses, you know what I'm

saying?

Like, like all of these things come together.

I have said all year long, the nicks, there, there's no reason that the nicks can't win

the East, you know, and they fired their coach last year after going to the conference finals,

which implies that they think they should win the East, right?

They absolutely have a chance because everybody in the East has a chance because the best

team in the East hasn't won a playoff series before, right?

So like to me, this makes it feel like everything is wide open, we don't, it's just happened

with Minnesota, and I think it's also happened with the nicks, we're not giving either of those

teams any credit for the recent playoff success that they've had, like the idea that perhaps

that what they're doing is building up what they've done, like Minnesota's made the conference

finals two years in a row, and nobody is sitting here like, yo, it was just a year, they

get over the top, you know, and it's basically the same team this year that they had last

year, nobody does that.

So I do think that the nicks have a chance, except for the fact that the two best players

don't play any defense, and one of them is Carl.

Right.

And that's, that's the, that's the problem.

Mikhail Bridges is a little weird and doesn't like, you know, doesn't like contact in any

form or fashion, like they've got everything you need, and they've got all the problems,

all at the same time.

It's the weirdest thing, but I would really like for him to do it.

Yeah.

I'll take that, Taylor.

How about you?

I will.

I mean, I feel better, right?

I wish Carl Anthony Towns wasn't on the next, but it just depends on when you ask about

the nicks, man, because hey, they win eight in a row.

Let's talk about the nicks.

Oh, they lost two out of five to the pistons.

Oh, let's not talk about the nicks.

Oh, yes.

Lost to the calves.

That's not talking about the nicks.

They beat the spurs.

Let's talk about the nicks.

Yeah.

And by the way, there was no chance they were going to beat the spurs in that game into

that road trip.

And it's a Sunday, one o'clock tip in New York City.

Yeah, the spurs were going to win.

Right.

Great.

His whole court advantage.

The nicks with a home game at one o'clock on a Sunday, on that team's only tripped in New

York.

Right.

Yeah.

They should play all their playoff games one o'clock on a weekend.

They should.

Yes.

Do they actually sell Jersey dresses in all NBA teams?

Or is it just like two?

Because I've only seen women wear nicks ones and maybe Lakers ones.

It's a fair question that you asked there.

I know.

I've never seen somebody in Indianapolis with a Pacer's jersey.

I'm going to be honest with you.

I don't even know the last time I saw it, we'll bring them back.

They were, they were, they were, they were, they were a fascinating decision that worked

out.

Okay.

Bob Amani, we'll get you out of here in a second.

We were discussing this yesterday.

Would you want to be seven, five at being seven, five met being Victor Webb and Yama?

No, I can't imagine how inconvenient like being seven, five is, but I also can't imagine

how cool it is to be able to do everything and to be seven, five.

Right.

The ultimate creative player situation, like I am fascinated by how Victor and Anthony

Edwards to be are my two favorite players for very similar reasons, but two people who

probably couldn't possibly be any more different.

Right.

No, but I still want to see them on the same team at some point for some reason.

Now, that would be amazing.

I would pay everything in the world to watch Anthony Edwards drive Victor Wynn, Ben Yama

around Atlanta.

Specifically, the Atlanta that Anthony Edwards knows and understands.

And then the counterpoint, I guess, well, I already been to Paris because of the Olympics

because I say, but then if we could see Victor Wynn by Yama just taking Anthony Edwards

to Paris.

I would also watch a 30 minute documentary on that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like this is like Anthony Edwards, I just, I don't, we're going

to see how long he's okay with whatever they're doing in Minnesota.

And I think it's tricky now the idea to go somewhere to win because they made it so

hard for anybody to win, you know, or to put together the things that you have.

But I got watched that game.

They played against Denver and Edwards now, shit, man, he's got to be what, 25.

I am a maize.

That is crazy.

It feels like he's been around for two decades, but I am amazed at what a great leader he

is at 25.

It's the same thing with Victor 24, yeah, 24, like, no, not 25, sorry, yeah, but Victor,

that's his team down there.

Yeah, this should mean something to him, right?

Yeah, he is very important to him, and, but I wonder when the thunder is going to start

realizing it's a lot of teams that hate them.

And the top of the list is the spurs and they're going to have to figure out how to start

hating back.

Like they got a lot of real nice young men on that team, but it's a bunch of dudes out

here that hate them.

Yeah, right.

The end to the Edwards thing is interesting too, because to me, it's like he feels like

wow, we're getting to the second round, third round of the NBA playoffs.

And then he's starting to look around and be like, oh, it's all because of me.

I don't mean it doesn't matter who's around me now, but a couple of pieces around me.

I could probably win this thing.

It's a matter of time before he figures that out.

Yes.

He's just like, you know, Nasri, I mean, you're real cool.

Hey, hey, no, no, no, no, I love playing with you.

I, in fact, I love to play with all of you guys just need somebody to be better than

you.

Like he got to the conference finals one year with Carl Townsend and next year with

Julia's Randall.

Yeah.

Like he's dragging all the guys that we've seen be the blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah.

I love all money.

Seven five roughly a billion north of a billion dollars and you have that athletic ability.

It's there.

I'm not asking you to be boban.

I'm asking you what it is.

I'll make it work.

Like you give me a billion.

You're right.

They're boba on money.

Yeah.

I ain't doing this.

Right.

Being Victor, I would love to know how much money his parents had to spend on clothes because

you know, you can't just get nothing at the store.

And I think he's got like a sister and a brother that are both like they're not seven five,

but they're both super tall.

Like this was they parents, man, they had a tough go of it.

Yeah.

During the growth spur.

Probably have to buy new clothes every week.

Yeah.

Imagine the pain.

Just to be that athletic though, this is a different concept five.

Where do you buy a, where do you buy a bed at seven five?

You have some of five one for you when you have a billion, you know?

Well, yeah.

I'm going to jump up.

But we're just like when you grow it up.

Right.

Like I knew somebody that knew the Collins twins when they were in high school and said

them boys had two beds, lift wise, how are you going to do it?

Yeah.

Like stack like back to back.

Yeah.

Oh, shout out to Taylor who puts into the chat just so I can see Oscar win Ben Yama is

just.

Now, I appreciate a dedication to the facts, but on the list of things you could have kept

to yourself.

I was right there, six six ain't that convenient either like Taylor, how tall six eight, six

eight.

Okay.

How tall are you?

Five nine.

Oh, yes.

That's the whole point of you.

You'll know shit about what we talking about right now.

No, I think you put it on there just so I could say big O.

Yeah.

I'm surprised.

He was cool as you are now that I know that.

It's fast.

That's the thing.

Short but fast.

Oh, we love having you, man.

The right time with Beaumonti Jones, wherever you get your podcast, we appreciate your

time, sir.

And we will talk to you again soon.

I hope.

All right, brother.

Take it easy.

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