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I last gathered us here because, and you may recall this, because why it was going to be

Stephen A. Smith's campaign manager?

I don't know that I agree with that.

That sounds like fake news.

I mean, we did polling.

Why it was very hostile to Stephen A. Smith, 2028.

That sounds very true.

As I recall, I was like, S-A-S slightly curious, not from at all.

Stephen A curious.

It's right.

Yeah.

I just want to walk this idea around the block a little bit, kick the tires on it, obviously

why it's instinct on that was much more correct than mine.

I'm big enough man to say that.

There was no need to kick the tires on it.

And I wish I could take credit for summoning you both back on an emergency podcast level because

Stephen A has declared, I thought about that, presidency thing, and maybe I don't think

you're running.

Am I right?

I don't think I'm running either, because I got to give up my money.

I can tell you right now, let me put that, the presidential aspiration to bed from if

I have to give up my money, it's not happening.

Yeah.

I just learned that apparently I would have to give up my money if I became president.

Like that tells you just how unserious the whole thing is, that this is the moment that

he just learned that that's part of becoming president.

Tim, did you see the clip, did you notice the setting and to whom he said this to in his

big announcement?

It was Sean Hannity.

Correct.

It was on Hangout with Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity's new podcast.

He's coming into our space.

I was going to say, I was going to say, Hannity's like, I want to compete in the long form interview

game.

And I got to say, I get to know Sean a little bit back when I was a Republican a hundred

years ago.

And I just don't think that's his strength.

And I think that Stephen A should probably play to his strength, which is yelling at people

on TV.

So that's right.

He's going, he's like, learn that.

I think that Sean will probably learn after like eight episodes of this podcast that he

should go back to his strength, which is also demagoguery television, not long form conversation.

You say that, but the thing that I can never forget about Sean Hannity is there was an

episode of Hannity where he sat down with Chuck LaDelle.

Yes.

And took Chuck LaDelle to his home to show him his work out room and grapple with Chuck

LaDelle.

Chuck is known for this overhead killing knockout hutch.

I love you, man.

I'm the biggest fan of the last thing I ever wanted.

If you hit me, I'm in the hospital.

And it very much felt like when a child wants to show their parent, their good at soccer,

where it's like, watch me, watch me kick the ball, Chuck, watch me kick the ball.

And it's just instead, it's him, like just trying like elbow moves on one of those

boxing dummies.

Sean Hannity has also made an aesthetic choice to wear a backwards cap.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so good.

I wish, by the way, that that was the extent of the MMA we're here to talk about on the

show.

We're here to talk more MMA and you got at least one super expert on MMA.

I hope that's you Tim, because I've never actually, I was hoping it was you.

No, no.

I'm almost sexual.

I don't know.

I'm thinking about it.

Tim, I got dressed like a gays, gays do kind of like WWE because there's like a camp

to it.

Sure.

Just the pure blood sport without the acting, that the theater element to it.

There's not gold dust.

There's no gold dust.

Yeah.

That's an MMA.

Yeah.

Mr. Perfect.

Yeah.

It's not an MMA.

I know enough to be dangerous.

I guess not an expert.

Tim, I dare say that mixed martial arts, which is fundamentally a sport in which two men

are literally embracing as much as humanly possible in their underpants.

In their underpants.

Maybe more within your province than you've ever dreamed.

Well, I do have to tell you, Pete and Talbot is an MMA.

That's right.

That's right.

That's right.

That he was in a fling with Frank Ocean.

I don't know if that's true.

Oh, boy.

I so I don't want to make any accusations or anything.

I like this really.

The accusations.

I don't want to make any compliments to either of them because it would be a beautiful

thing if it were true.

But I did do a deep dive on Pete's social media account after hearing that rumor.

That's pretty good.

I can see the appeal.

I can only repeat what Reddit is telling me, which is that they were hanging out on Valentine's

day.

There you go.

I want to start with a different example, though, of Tim Miller's experience with physical

combat.

Okay.

I want to walk us there.

And so the Christie Nome thing, let's just start with the big headline and then walk

us to the octagon that Tim Miller entered with a character relevant to Christie Nome.

Sam, if you were to catch people up on what happened to Christie Nome, the head of which

department and in what context was that department in the news recently?

Yeah.

So Christie Nome, former governor, South Dakota became a secretary of the Department of Homeland

Security.

Christie was a big Donald Trump supporter.

She did everything possible to get into his good graces, including whether this was part

of getting into his good graces or not.

One thing that happened simultaneously to that was she did also get a new face, which

was an interesting choice.

And so she gets a role in the cabinet as she had been aspiring to do.

She brings along with her Kory Lewandowski, Donald Trump's first campaign manager in 2016,

Kory, a longtime Trump hangar on.

He got fired from that job as campaign manager originally, but he sticks around a big

season one character that I forgot until I was like, Oh, wait a minute.

The Kory Lewandowski thing is happening again with Christie Nome.

Yeah, he's back season seven.

Yeah, he just kind of stayed around the hoop looking for opportunities.

And so he gets back in with Christie Nome.

A lot of discussion that they might be having an affair.

A lot of rumors about that.

He is married.

He was at a fundraiser being thrown by Maga Donors, it was an addiction awareness fundraiser.

He was being thrown by Maga Donors at a Benihana in Las Vegas.

And at that Benihana Kory Lewandowski got hammered, started hitting on one of the lives of one

of the big drunk donors.

And Christie was also there.

And Christie was getting mad at him texting him under the table.

A lot of people are wondering why does Christie care so much?

The Kory is behaving poorly towards this other woman and kind of that lead down a path

towards, towards I think some pretty strong feelings that they might be intimate.

So they go together, maybe lovers, maybe not to the Department of Homeland Security,

which is, which oversees among other things, ice and CBP, the Board of Patrol.

Among other things includes also the TSA.

So if you're annoyed about TSA or the long lines, it's another thing.

And it wasn't Christie Nome's remit.

It seemed like a pretty good job for her.

This was a high priority for Trump, deporting people, immigration, and Board of Patrol.

And yet Christie went even a little too far for Trump.

She was spending a lot of money recklessly.

Her and Kory were flying around on like these $100 million jets.

They spent like $200 million on advertisements about all the work that they were doing,

deporting people.

The jet.

Trump gets pissed.

And she gets fired.

How's that?

Is that a good summary?

And really before I play some of the tape from what is an increasingly rare site, which

is something like a member of a Trump cabinet answering questions in a meeting from Republicans.

From Republicans.

From Republicans.

In a, like, beyond the pale, holy s**t, this seems bad if she has to do this sort of

away.

To mean your estimation, the reason she had to resign in the pie chart of that, how much

of that was American citizens got killed in Minnesota versus the stuff that we're going

to really sort of dig into, which is more of the circus element.

I think American citizens getting killed in Minnesota was like 1% of the reason why she

got fired.

And I do think it's important that it was 1% not the zero, because I think that she was

probably on the path to getting fired regardless.

But I do think that like the degree of the s**t show that it was in Minnesota, not to

make a lot.

Killing two people is worse than a s**t show.

But like the degree of like just how it seemed like they didn't have any control over what

was happening.

I do think that kind of led to the spiral that brought all this other stuff that actually

made Trump mad to light.

And so I think that it was kind of a catalyst for it, but had she been minding her peas

and queues in other ways, not offending Mr. Trump in other ways.

She probably survived it.

I mean, Stephen Miller is still there, and he was overseeing this immigration action as

well.

I think that what ended up getting her was that Trump doesn't like it when he's like,

wait a minute, you're spending $200 million to do ads about yourself.

I'm like, what you were doing?

Like, what about me?

What about Mr. Trump?

You know what I mean?

And I think that like, like she was embarrassing him, which ends up being kind of the bigger

issue than the deaths, so to say.

These Q&As from the Christie Nome hearing in front of Congress, they're worth watching.

So Secretary Nome, at any time during your tenure as Director of Department of Homeland

Security, have you had sexual relations with Cory Lewandowski?

Mr. Chairman, I am shocked that we're going down and peddling tabloid garbage in this

committee today.

Reclaiming my—

And man, one thing that I would tell you is that he is a special government employee

who works for the White House.

There are thousands of them in the federal government.

So reclaiming is an advisor—

It is okay for you to be an authority to be questioned.

It is okay for you to be questioned, but it is also a real question.

So what I would say, you should be able to answer the question.

What we do at the Department of Homeland Security, and without any—

Every single day is to protect us.

If someone is asked to make decisions, you or any federal official is sleeping with their

subordinate.

That should be easy.

You should be wanting to answer that question, because it is not about your sense that

it is about your judgment—

It is about reclaiming my—

I think it's very important to always clock when you're watching someone under questioning

is, is there a no— at any point in that, are you saying no?

Yes, so it's hard to feel bad for anybody.

It's like signed up for this, but you got to kind of feel bad for—

I mean, being cheated on for Cory Lewandowski is tough.

That is tough.

I want to—

It's not like—

It's not like Peter.

I mean, it's like one of the hands of our people of the administration.

I mean, the vehicle at the center of this—

I just want to be very clear, because there is so much being said.

We were talking about these luxury airliners that were allegedly being purchased for a nine-figure

amount that had bedrooms in them that were supposedly being used for deportations,

but many—

We're wondering, is this just a f*** plane for a Christy Noman, Cory?

Many were wondering that.

I don't think that I'm among them, because it's an image that I've been trying to avoid thinking about.

But they showed— during the hearing, I don't know if you have this,

they showed a picture of the bet.

No, I'm like—

Oh, what's the aesthetic of the deportation?

I would say it's kind of like a—

Kind of like a Hampton Inn.

Oh, all right.

Imagine a Hampton Inn, but in the sky.

In the sky.

Yeah, I would say that was kind of the aesthetic.

There's also a controversy.

One of the subcontroversies here was that Cory and Christy were mad at one of the platelets,

because they left their special blanket on the plane.

I forgot about the blankie.

I don't want to know what's going on under that blank.

We're about to repatriate this blankie.

Wait, it was their special blanket, or did one of them—

Because I feel like that's all the evidence you need.

If it's like, it's our shared special blanket.

I feel like that's the solution that's Christy's.

I think it was positioned as Cory was upset that the secretary did not have her special blanket.

Gotcha.

And the pilot—

The US Coast Guard pilot did get fired, subsequent to blanket gates, as it became known,

for however fleetingly.

That's right.

That's the side concern, because we've got to get back to the MMA of it.

The side concern was, oh yeah, there was this $200 million plus deal to film these absurd—

I mean, absurd as I'm doing justice to, but these ads that Tim was referencing before,

for Christy Nome, in which she's on horseback, absorbing the glory of this country,

and the contractor that got this thing was this obscure company that was subcontracted

to Tim, a company that was run by who?

The husband of Christy Nome's spokesperson, Trisha McLaughlin.

Who you may recall from the time that Trisha McLaughlin gave,

publisher finds out a quote about the soccer player, Jerseh Reyes,

that we reported on who was, again, insanely and seemingly,

indefensibly deported to Seacot in El Salvador, in which she insisted,

quote, Jerseh Reyes Barrios was not only in the United States legally,

but he has tattoos that are consistent with those indicating trender Agua gang membership

his own social media indicates he is a member of the vicious TDA gang.

That all said, DHS intelligence assessments go beyond a single tattoo,

and we are confident in our findings and, quote, as you reported on that episode,

the tattoo that seemed to be one of this vicious gang's famous symbols

was, in fact, a Real Madrid tattoo.

That lots of people, otherwise.

Yeah, he's real Madrid fans in the gang culture in Caracas.

And these guys are liars all the way down, and so it's good for together to come up

and, and that story that you tied to, I mean, Christie Known,

like you mentioned that the ads were ridiculous, and like her and all of the hats

and all the horses, but like she also did all the propaganda,

such as where she went to Seacot in El Salvador.

You remember, and she stood in front of this cell filled with shirtless,

I don't know, El Salvadorans, because they'd kept the Venezuelans

different part of the prison, but she just stood for these like snuff film

style pictures, where she was all made up.

You know, you hate to do like the focus on the aesthetics,

like about how the woman looks, but like this is all she cared about was aesthetics.

Like she was trying to do like evil Barbie style aesthetics everywhere.

I think that it is totally legitimate to mock that and to take some comfort,

even though I don't think that the Trump administration's ice regime is going to get that much better,

but take some comfort in the fact that she at least has been shown the door.

It is a weird thing, just the sort of social media driven nature of what she was doing.

I believe last week tonight did a whole thing on it, where you see them arrest these guys,

but they actually didn't have grounds to do it, but when you see like another camera's footage,

all it is is just them setting up a social media shoot, and it feels.

And on some level, there's a part of me where I'm like,

is Donald Trump mad about that, or is he just mad because she got,

she spent 200 million on this, and I'm sure he's like,

and now Milani is mad because I only got 70 million for her documentary.

Ah, shit.

Now I'm going to have to somehow scrounge up another 130 million for somebody to put her in Tomb Raider.

There is Tim, as always, like the question of who is the audience that this administration thinks

that when they make any decisions, and way too often, the only logical audience I can discern is Twitter,

is X.

Yeah.

And it's all these people doing stuff by it for social media explicitly,

who are looking for the applause from the worst people left online.

Yeah, I mean, look, the department of Homeland Security Secretary is not supposed to be a media figure.

It's not like that type of job, right?

A challenge to audience, like conjure a mental image of Jay Johnson, for example,

who is Obama's QHS Secretary for four years.

It's the cashmortality in the locker room thing.

It's like, this has never been a position.

You're like FBI director.

Go after bad guys.

Some of the jobs are met for that.

Like Secretary of State does have to speak public.

You know what I mean?

Like, there are certain jobs that are public facing.

Like, this is not that.

It's a Homeland Security job.

The job is keeping us safe, and to have like this clownish woman having an affair

like flying around the country, like getting like ridiculous plastic surgery,

like taking a Cruella de Ville photos in front of immigrants that they have chained.

Like the whole thing was just, was ridiculous.

But before we look ahead to who replaces Christy Nome, which is a relevant question,

I want to look back for a second, because the Cory Lewandowski thing that I was alluding to,

the physical confrontation thing I was alluding to, Tim.

Cory Lewandowski has this caricature of a person who is this sort of goon

for Donald Trump.

That's how I knew him in season one.

It's also how you encountered him literally.

Yeah.

Well, now that you've brought this up, Pablo, people are going to think that my assessment of Cory and Christy

is because it was personal.

And let me tell you it was not.

Okay.

This was a very, it was a minor encounter, and I'm a big boy.

But I will say in 2016, during the debate, so before he's president, Donald Trump, the candidate.

So it's late during the primary, and I've worked for Jeb, and then I was working for an anti-Trump Super PAC.

And after debates, there's a spin room where the candidates go to, and they talk to the media, and try to spin,

sometimes candidates, sometimes just to represent it.

I was trying to spin like why they did well and why the other people did terrible.

And in this case, in 2016, I was following Trump around the spin room,

like kind of trolling him a little bit, and getting in, inserting myself into the Q&A he was having,

he was getting a little annoyed with me.

And like out of my peripheral vision, I saw what I thought was a security guard,

like kind of a penis-shaped security guard, man, who like came up and got in between me and Trump,

and like hip-checked me, and then got nose to nose with me, and started screaming,

like screaming is really, screaming in my face, and I don't remember what he said,

because I was kind of blacked out by the smell of his breath, which was really horrendous.

And after it ended, I asked my colleague, I was like, who was that?

Who was that? And they're like, that's Trump's campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski.

I didn't recognize him at the time.

I thought he was just a security guard.

And so I think it was telling kind of about the type of campaign Trump had at the beginning,

the campaign manager serious job was also like the heavy in the spin row.

So there you go.

This is all really important context, because the question has been,

who is in charge of what has been an instrument of state-sponsored violence,

and it turns out, okay, lingering around the periphery, perhaps in the alleged f*** plane,

is that guy, Corey Lewandowski.

And so who replaces his alleged girlfriend, Kristi Nome?

It is a guy who, I should say, I'd like to introduce via a clip of his own.

So, this is a time, this is a place.

If you want to run your mouth, we can be too consenting adults, we can finish it here.

Okay, that's fine. Perfect.

You want to do it now?

I'd love to do it right now.

We'll stain your butt up then.

You stand your butt up.

Oh, hold it.

Oh, stop it.

Is that your solution, everybody pull it?

No, no, sit down.

Sit down.

You don't know, you're a United States senator.

Sit down.

Okay.

Sit down, please.

Hold it.

Hold it.

Why it?

Can you introduce some of the characters that we just heard there in that scene?

Sure.

That was Mark Wayne Mullen.

And that was a hearing where he was talking to the head of the teamsters.

And apparently the head of the teamsters had said some not nice things about Mark Wayne Mullen on Twitter.

That was not why they were having this hearing.

And not a hearing to present something to get to their beef.

Yeah.

And so this is what Mark Wayne Mullen chose to use his time to do to challenge the head of the teamsters that the two of them could fight.

Mark Wayne Mullen then stood up as though he were serious.

And then the fight was stopped by Bernie f***ing Sanders, which tells you just how unserious it was that they were stopped.

By the oldest man in the world.

Who was just like, no, no, this isn't happening.

And Mark Wayne Mullen, for all the piss and vinegar he had to stand up, was like, you're right, Bernie.

Let me sit back down.

If you were really about it, you would have hopped over to that f***ing table.

And you'd have gone and made a fool out of yourself on national television.

But you got set the f*** down by Bernie Sanders.

Mark Wayne Mullen allowed himself to leave more space between himself and the head of the teamsters than he does between the words Mark and Wayne in his first name.

Mark Wayne.

Mark Wayne.

Yeah, I mean, if he had real balls, you know, you would have gone full will Smith.

Like get down there.

Don't stand up and pretend to fight.

Don't do this nonsense.

Like fake tough guy nonsense.

Like, let's throw hands.

He was never going to throw down in the middle of a hearing.

No.

And if he was, then let's f***ing see it.

All right.

It is a little concerning.

And I think that's the kind of the type between him and Cory the like.

The types of people that you want in charge of something like Homeland Security.

You know, where you have to go after bad guys, but also respect the rights of our citizens while you're managing public safety.

I don't think you want f***ing hotheads.

Right?

It's not really a job for hotheads.

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Maybe that's just, you know, he's on a hothead, but whatever.

That's like one thing.

To get a sense of his vibe, here's his campaign ad.

Conservative Mark Wayne Mullin has always been a fighter.

He knows the fight's worth having.

For God, for family and for country.

Mark Wayne Mullin is a Christian,

a husband, a father of six, a businessman who gets things done.

The radical left is trying to transform our country and some are afraid of fighting those fights.

Mark Wayne, well, he wins the fight.

Mark Wayne Mullin, you don't want to fight with him.

I'm Mark Wayne Mullin, candidate for Senate, and I approve this message.

That was 2022, and I want to shout out the fact always that we are a sports show.

You're at public tour, he finds out.

And Mark Wayne Mullin is, I believe, and we'll fact check this as I say it.

I believe this is the first MMA fighter to have been elected to the United States Senate.

According to his stats, he is an undefeated fighter who either is five and oh or three and oh,

depending on what sources you look at.

He's strong start when you, yeah, quite tell.

In his late 20s, one of his fights was against a guy who goes by the name of Huggy Bear.

And at the time, Huggy Bear was a teenager.

So I have a lot of questions around a man in his late 20s who choked out a teenager.

But that counts as a victory, I suppose, according to tapology, which is where I go for all my MMA news.

That's tapology.

Yeah.

Also, Huggy is a spell like the diapers, not like the character from Starsky and Hutch.

It's an important distinction.

Yeah, yeah.

I think you guys are given a little bit too much credit.

I know that we try to be fair and balanced on public tour.

He finds out, and it's important to just lay out the facts, go with the investigation,

find you even if it's not appealing.

But he's three, you know, in what appears to me to be like a semi-pro MMA league.

It's called XFN based in Tulsa.

And I don't know.

It kind of feels like somebody playing in the company softball league, winning three championships,

and then running for the Senate and being like, I'm the first senator who was a softball champion.

There is a need for us to clarify here in public.

I find out that we did send requests for comment to Huggy Bear and to Clint Barnes and to Lazaro Amaro,

which is an incredible name that somehow finishes third on the medal stand of all the names we've mentioned already.

We have not heard from any of them in time for our deadline.

But it is worth noting also to him that when it comes to is Mark Wayne Mullin,

fighter semi-professional combat sports veteran,

somebody who has embellished any part of his resume before,

it is worth noting that his status as a military veteran,

it seems, has also been under some scrutiny.

Yeah, Pat Ryan, I think we've got a constant from New York shut up, Pat Ryan, I like him a lot.

He was going off on this because Mullin likes to just sort of,

I kind of play cute with talking about like being in war,

like he's talking about how he knows the smells of war and all this stuff,

when like this isn't true, like he hasn't done any of that,

and I do think some of the actual veterans go a little annoyed by Senator Mark Wayne Mullin

doing a little bit of like stolen ball or pretending like he was,

you know, really in the fight overseas when he was not.

Yeah, can you smell war from afar?

I guess he's a philosophical question.

Sure, yeah. No, that's true.

Yeah, I'm going to say no, that's going to be my guess is no.

Does war smell like what Corey Lewandowski's alleged halitosis smells like?

In which case, you know, it knows no borders, perhaps.

And I can't say because I have not been in war.

I can't compare and contrast, you know, the smell of maple in the morning

to the smell of Corey Lewandowski's breath.

And importantly, neither can Mark Wayne Mullin,

and he kind of pretends to.

Yeah, everybody wants to be a soldier,

but nobody actually wants to go on the front lines.

And we, as much as this is hilarious in a key undidiable way,

it's also fucking terrifying that this is who's in charge.

Yeah, that's a good point.

And the playing pretend kind of does matter in this case,

because like in a very real way,

a lot of the people that our government is sending into the streets right now

to do immigration enforcement or playing pretend.

Yes.

We have, you know, former Superman Dean Kane signed up to join us.

Like, that's the type of, it's the quality of person that we're.

Former Princeton football star Dean Kane.

How dare you minimize his sports career.

And then you have people who've done real work

that I don't want to denigrate like on the border at border patrol.

Like that's a dangerous job.

It's a hard job.

You're dealing with cartels,

but we've been moving people from the border

and redeploying them from the border into the interior of the country

into American cities to hassle people.

And like now that force is going to be at the command,

basically, of the Secretary of Department of Homeland Security,

Mark Wayne Mullin, who, it seems to me,

like likes to play pretend violence.

Yeah.

So that's, that's a little alarming.

Well, and add to that for all of those postures that are on the ground in ice,

they're also wearing masks, which I think if you are someone who likes to posture,

there is a freedom behind a mask having performed enough

and having performed in ways where you're in costumes and things like that.

The thing that I feel like a lot of performers know

and a lot of actors will talk about is when you are in costume,

you can get caught up in the costume,

and it frees you from things that maybe your better angels

would have prevented you from doing.

And so the reason I wanted to this topic in general is because,

like, we're looking at Iran and we should,

we're looking at new theaters of war overseas.

But before we leave our country,

and what's been happening in the rear view, Tim,

to sum it all up,

what's changing?

What has changed in the turnover of the Department of Homeland Security?

Given that, here are the characters that we've evolved from.

Very little is changing.

I think that hopefully some of the performative sadism might be being put on the back burner.

For a little while, we'll see how that goes.

But I do think it's like meaningfully different.

Greg Bavino, we've even talked about,

who's the short fellow that was like the point person in Minnesota.

Well, like the gas canister is dangling.

Yeah.

And he was executing a lot of what,

Kristino and Corey Lewandowski wanted,

which was like really inciting, trying to incite violence and push back in the community.

And they're placed in with Tom Holman, who is not great.

But, you know, he's more of kind of just a,

kind of traditional hard line anti-immigrant operator.

So I do think like some of the performative elements of this might go away.

We'll see some of the performative elements of Kristino's.

You know, again, like we were saying earlier,

like the snuff pictures in front of shirtless immigrants.

Like I think that will probably change.

Like the new secretary's facial muscles can move.

So that'll be new.

But I think that like the actual immigration policy

will be pretty close to the same.

And that's pretty, I'm pretty disturbing.

And I think that Mark Wayne Mullin will have the same disincentives that Kristino did,

which is Stephen Miller and other people in the administration

want a lot of deportations to be happening.

And so, you know, he's going to want to make sure that his ground troops

are getting the numbers, they're doing the deportation.

So I think it will maybe be a little bit less inciting,

a little bit less kind of dark camp for whatever you call Kristino,

evil camp, but policy wise, a lot of the same.

There is one other possibility to throw out,

which is Mark Wayne Mullin is Cherokee Nation.

It could be possible that now, as head of Department of Homeland Security,

he then goes full Cherokee Nation and says,

oh, okay, yeah, I'm kicking everybody else who's out,

who's not Native America.

And he just goes, he just starts rounding up white guys.

And it's just like, nope, nope.

This is stolen land.

You're on stolen land.

Get the fuck out.

And all of a sudden, land acknowledgments are happening

at the DHS press conference.

Yeah, I don't think that's likely, but probably not.

It'll be interesting to monitor why I think it would be an interesting plot twist, for sure.

Look, my Stephen A Smith prediction was right.

This one, I might not be, I might not be on target with.

Well, we have an MMA event to look forward to at the White House,

but truly the fact that the president's birthday party

is also a UFC event that Dana White is now this past week announcing.

It's just, Tim, are you even ready for what that is?

For what that's going to be?

You know, I was thinking about this.

I was planning what might, what weeks are going to be off the podcast this summer

because I'm going to take a little vacation.

And I'm like, maybe I should do it around the 4th of July,

so I just don't have to think about this.

Maybe that should be the week I should go dark,

because it's just such, it's so f***ing ridiculous.

I mean, like, really, we're going to have an MMA fight on the lawn.

We're going to want to celebrate our 250.

And it is a deocracy.

You know, Mike Judge did have a crystal ball.

So I don't know.

But it's real.

It's worth moderating, paying attention to,

because like the MMA culture is very wrapped up in this administration.

And like that whole mindset is.

And you know, Dana White spoke at the convention.

All those guys go to MMA fights.

I'm like, watching cash, Patel, and Marco,

and Trump and all these guys sit ringside

and they're in their suits.

I think that they think it gives them an aura of toughness.

I think they really care a lot about this,

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At the end of every episode of PublicTory,

I find out Tim Miller and Wyatt's snack.

We go around the table and we say what we found out today.

Tim, is there anything that you found out on today's episode?

I learned a lot about Huggy Bear.

And I learned about the kind of semi-pro Oklahoma MMA culture

that Mark Wayne Mullin came out of that's aired on Triller,

the Bulgarian-based American television streaming outlet.

And I would like to learn a little bit more.

I may have to understand my country a little bit better.

I've learned a little bit.

I think they've got to understand my country a little bit better.

If I learned even more about what is happening on Triller.

I think the thing I found out is perhaps the person who's best qualified

to do anything about border security

might have been the bouncer in that Senate hearing, Bernie Sanders.

The idea that Bernie Sanders is able to secure the border of a Senate hearing.

Maybe he's the person instead of Mark Wayne Mullin

who should be at the top of that candidate list for that job.

Yes, it is.

Or he should just be, yeah, we should just have Bernie Sanders bouncing at night clubs

or anywhere where we just need some crowd control.

Just have Bernie come in there and just kind of in his old manway

just throw his hands and be like, ah, stop it, stop it.

You're a senator.

Just the voice.

What would your mother think about?

Yeah, really?

Let him be a referee at hockey fight, stop it, stop it.

Literally, you're a senator.

That's your team name.

And you're a jet, stop it, both of you.

He can wear those big mittens that he likes, stop it, both of you, stop it.

What I found out today in the ongoing research I've been doing

since Tim dropped a journalistic bomb on me.

Is that Frank Ocean did, in fact,

apparently eight months ago post an Instagram story update

of rumored boyfriend, Peyton Talbot, in a position

in which, again, I'm not here to make subjective assessments.

But why would you describe Peyton Talbot doing

to Felipe Lima in this screenshot that Frank Ocean put on Instagram

with a heart emoji next to the crying emoji?

Always eating that ass.

That is just objective ass eating.

Can you send me that picture?

I must have been before I started following Peyton.

This has been Pablo Torre finds out a metal arc media production.

And I'll talk to you next time.

I'll see you next time.