Shaykh Uthman: He Says The Quran Has ZERO Contradictions? DSH # 1886

On this side, everything that people bring up to be contradiction, researching them, I found they weren't any contradiction.

Who would stand up for me? The peace didn't care.

I 12 years old, I mean many of my friends around that age got killed.

Hitler believes in Jesus. Does that mean he should go to heaven? Just because he believed.

Sheikh Uthman is an American Islamic scholar and Da'i, known for his outreach work with the One Message Foundation.

He gained recognition through street-to-wa and interface discussions in San Diego.

With his YouTube content on Islam and comparative religion reaching millions worldwide.

Okay guys, Sheikh Uthman here, very special guest with a crazy story.

We're going to do a solo episode and we got a fun debate lined up after this.

He brought the books to look at this stuff.

This is my Quran that I usually carry with me and this is my Bible that I have on my notes.

So what are those notes mainly?

Yes, so I started studying the Bible not to debate.

A lot of people think that I started this to try to debate with people.

No, my original Bible which I gave away when we hit the million sub was just me putting my notes

when I was in Bible studies, growing up, going to church.

And when I found things that didn't make sense or contradicted, I would just put a note and put a sticky.

So it kind of developed now, so this whole side is all contradictions.

And up here are things that I found to be distasteful, I guess you could say,

killing children and all that kind of stuff that people don't sometimes realize is in the Bible.

And then down here, these are all things that show that Jesus wasn't God,

even according to the Bible, he was a prophet and a servant of God.

And I'll share some of the verses later, so.

And did you do the same for the Quran?

I did, yes.

So I mean, I have on this side everything that people bring up to be contradictions or,

of course, I mean, researching them, I found they weren't any contradictions.

Up here are things that I respond to and also things that I found to be miraculous.

The bottom here are, which I'm starting out now, more historic prophecies that have come true

and so on.

Interesting.

So I've done the same and I've done that with other scriptures as well.

I mean, I in my journey have studied the Gita, the Mahabharat, I mean, the writings in Buddhism

there's a really good author called Suzuki, not the car, but the same name, yeah.

But I read a lot of his works.

I mean, I read the Book of Mormon, I've read the Book of Abraham, the DNC,

the Book of Moses, a lot of the Christian books that are not in the Bible today.

I have them all marked up as well.

That's impressive.

So you take a pretty objective approach.

I've got a very big library.

Yeah, I'm actually really impressed.

Yeah, I've got, I mean, a lot of people flex cars and chains, man,

but I love very cost a lot more than their cars and chains put together.

I mean, books are a knowledge, right?

Yes, exactly.

Yeah, I love books.

I mean, you're learning about life in these books and guns.

Those are my two favorite things.

Chashos in town right now.

Yeah, I'm going to be going.

What a mix, books and guns.

So you like to read at night and shoot during the day?

There you go.

Well, dude, let's time in your story for those that don't know because it's pretty crazy.

A former game member turned to Islam.

Yes, I was born in Pakistan, but I left as a little kid.

So I never really lived there.

I left to the UK when I was like six, maybe.

And then I went to school for a couple of years or a year and a half.

I was in the UK.

Then I got to San Diego when I was on eight or nine years old in elementary school.

And my family is Pakistani, but at the time, I mean, imagine this is the 80s in San Diego,

California, SoCal.

Nobody knew what a Pakistani was.

When I went to elementary schools,

it's basically you were either black, white or Mexican.

I was too dark to be white and too light to be black.

So I went Mexican.

I never tried to join gangs, especially for a lot of the young people that are watching.

You know, it's not a good life.

Like, it's not something you should look forward to.

It's not like the videos, it's not like the rappers make it out to be.

And I never, I never thought like that.

My mom was a very hardworking woman.

She was working two jobs.

She had two degrees from the, from Pakistan.

And she had a master's in, in, in, in psychology and a master's in law,

but they weren't recognizing the US.

So she couldn't work to the degree that she was educated to.

So just to survive as a single mother, she was out there working in factories,

making t-shirts, you know, working as a security guard.

That's a little Pakistani woman.

She was working so hard, amazing woman, very strong woman.

So I never thought I would not join gangs or anything like that.

I don't want to be cool.

I wasn't trying to make money.

I wasn't trying to flex.

I wasn't trying to get girls.

None of that.

Basically, and I just wanted to go to school, get a good education,

make my mom proud.

But, you know, Southern California in the 80s and 90s was,

as ice cube would describe it, hell on earth, right?

I mean, it was rough.

A lot of gangs, a lot of shootings, a lot of drive vides.

I mean, you know, when you go to places,

people talk about stabbing, stabbing were a joke to us, you know.

So, you know, it was rough.

So I knew a lot of gangs just, but I didn't get involved.

But one of my friends got into a fight and basically, you know,

being pushed in and all this stuff, you know, being macho, raised like that.

I went to help him.

Yeah.

When I jumped into help him, he ran.

He ran.

I got jumped.

And when I got jumped, my father that, you know,

appearance were divorced.

But my father, when he heard about it, my mom, when she saw me,

all busted up, you know, she, she called my father.

He came and he was like, I still remember very vividly.

He told me, I have two questions.

One, did you run?

I said, no, I stood in my ground.

He said, did you cry?

I said, no, I didn't cry.

He's like, all right, no other questions.

That's it.

That's all he cared about.

He was a tough guy.

Tough love.

Yeah, tough love.

My father was, Mashallah, he was, he was firm on that.

So, he picked up a bat.

He got in, he had a big chameleon, muscle car.

He just said, okay, where are they?

So the gangs, you know, it was a gang called Loma Street.

Something else, still around 27th Street.

We knew where they were and they, my father pulled up, saw the guys

and he jumped out with a bat, cracked one guy's head

and shattered the other guy's shoulder.

Cheese.

Yeah, my dad was tough.

The problem was though, he then drove away to his house

in another neighborhood and I had to go to school the next day.

So, when I got to school, I still remember it.

I was just walking through the hallways

and the kids were like, hey, there's the dead kid.

He's going to get killed today.

Loma Street gang's going to come and kill him today

because his dad just put two of them in a hospital.

So, another gang called East Side San Diego.

This is all part of the Surinio Southern California

and he's at 13 as they say, the network.

They said, look, you're, you can fight.

You can hold your ground.

We've seen you around.

You have two options.

Either you stand on your own, you're going to get killed.

They're going to come here today.

These gangs have, you know,

5,000, 6,000 standing gang members.

I mean, if you look at gangs like MS-13 or 18th Street,

they have 50, 60,000 gang members internationally.

Al Salvador, Ramallah, Mexico, U.S.

across, I mean, so these are not like, you know,

little 10, 20 people crews.

So, they said, okay, you're, you're one 12-year-old

against a gang that has 5,000 members.

You're going to get killed or you can join us

and we'll back you and you'll survive.

So, that's how I got into gangs at 12 years of age.

Yeah.

So, you think they actually would have killed you?

For sure.

I mean, you know, what would it, I mean,

who would stand up for me?

The police didn't care.

I 12 years old, they would have killed.

I mean, many of my friends around that age got killed.

What?

When I was 14,

I saw my first friend get killed and he got shot.

He got his head blown off.

Oh my gosh.

And, you know,

it's, it's not like the movies, right?

I mean, when people watch movies and they,

you know, not as kids just play games,

you know, they're on, they're on Cod or they're on Fortnite.

Fortnite, right?

And they think it's like that, you know,

sometimes I talk about guns.

They're like, oh yeah, I use that in Cod.

And it's not like that, you know,

you don't press X and come back to another round.

You don't respond, you know,

you don't just come back and play another day.

You get shot that this life, that opportunity is over, right?

And I mean, I have many, many friends that,

as a teenager, I was burying, you know,

that never saw what it feels like to own a smartphone

or didn't ever find out what the internet was.

You know what I'm saying?

So they lost so much, right?

So if you're young and you're watching this,

like, like, don't, don't go down that path.

It's, you know, like, like rappers,

they, most rappers are fake first off.

I know a lot of them personally now from, you know,

being involved in a lot of the higher level

influencer stuff, right?

A lot of them have never been in a gang,

actually been a member of a gang.

Like, like, one thing is you hung out with gang members

or you hung out in the hood or you went to clubs or whatever,

but that's not being in a gang.

When you're a bona fide gang member jumped in,

all of that, that's very different, right?

And those that are either dead or in jail,

I mean, there's no retirement plan, right?

So when they sit around with like lambos,

throwing money around, that's not how the gang life is.

That's just not true.

I mean, you know, it's rough.

Every day you go in, you're worried about getting shot,

you're worried about getting stabbed,

you still have the regular stresses of life.

Like, I started to go to school and do homework,

but I also had to worry about if another gang is going to rush down

the hallway with dirty guys and bats and smash my head in during lunch.

So it's sort of rough life and, you know,

Southern California, especially in the 80s and 90s,

was really rough.

I mean, if you look at the crime rate, my middle school,

so this is 6, 7th, 8th, had a drive by.

Wow, during the school at lunch,

Wilson Middle School, San Diego, California, right?

I was, we were eating lunch.

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Shot the cafeteria.

Yeah, I mean, we didn't really have a,

we just had a lunch area and yeah,

they shot off the lunch area.

You know, it was one gang trying to get back another gang

but kids got hit that had nothing to do with it.

Wow.

So it was rough.

I mean, that time was very rough.

I grew up with, you know,

we had some very close friends.

I mean, none of them were Muslim.

I didn't grow up around Muslims.

I didn't grow up going to a mosque.

I didn't know any single Muslim growing up.

All my friends were either Christian or Catholic

and that's how I start got introduced to religion

was because a lot of their parents would send us to church

thinking that it would fix us.

Yeah.

The problem is that we would go to church

and they would tell us, well, Jesus died for your sin.

So as long as you believe in Jesus, you're going to have it anyway.

It's free.

So we were like, all right, when that case,

you know, I was going to keep doing what I'm doing.

I mean, Jesus paid my debt, so I'm going to have it.

So it never encouraged us to stop the lifestyle we lived.

I used to go to a Catholic church

and I went to both Protestant, Catholic, I mean, Baptist,

every kind of church because my friends were all

from different diverse backgrounds.

But the Catholic church was really interesting

because we used to confess every Sunday.

So Friday night was bad and Saturday night was worse.

Sunday morning, we were in suits with abuelas and tias,

like grandmas and aunts and we were in church

and we would go to this little box and I still remember it.

You know, you would go and the priest would be there

and you would be like, forgive me, father, for I have sinned.

You know, last night was crazy.

We shot up to the other gang or we stabbed this guy

or we got this guy tied up right now.

We've got him in our basement.

Wow.

Like, we would tell him everything, you know?

And then he would just be like, oh, that's bad.

And he'd be like, I know it's bad.

And it's our life.

And then he'd be like, you should stop.

And they're like, well, we can't.

We're gang members.

And he's like, well, in that case,

say these many Hail Mary's, donate to the church.

We'll see you next week.

Your sins are forgiven.

And we'd walk out of the box,

we're like, whatever I did is gone.

You know, you drop some money to the church

and you say, whatever, Hail Mary's,

we used to have little saint things

to protect us while drug dealing.

You know, we had a saint that they used to particularly give us

to wear in case you're doing drug runs across the Tijuana.

Wow.

And if you're Googling, they have a saint for drug dealers.

And it's a game.

I mean, the church has made it into a money making scam.

So I mean, I read the Bible at the time.

I used to go to a place called Horizon Christian Bible studies

every Wednesday.

And we finished the Bible.

I covered a cover, you know,

so it went through it with the pastor.

But a lot of times things didn't make sense.

Like, I'll say something like this was real, right?

Like, I'm not trying to get onto philosophy or anything like that, right?

Like, I'm from the streets, right?

So I put everything in perspective.

So the idea was that the church told us that Adam ate an apple from a tree

that he wasn't supposed to so every child is born with sin.

Well, that didn't make sense to me.

Like, I should be responsible for my sins.

But you shouldn't be responsible for my sins, right?

Like, if your dad murdered somebody,

is it okay for me to put something on your record for it?

No, no, right?

That's your dad.

So if Adam did something, that's between him and God.

And not me, right?

Like, I shouldn't be born sinful because of somebody else's action.

So that didn't make sense to me.

And then the idea that God would send his son or himself,

or himself, who is his son?

I got confused as well.

And us as humans killing him,

torturously crucifying him, makes up for that sin.

Made even less sin.

That's like, if I go into a store and I steal a piece of candy,

like, or let's say my dad walks into a store and steals a piece of candy.

And you know, he shouldn't have taken it.

He should have paid for it.

But he put it in the pocket, walked out.

And my dad walks in and he's like,

Hey, you know, I'm sorry.

And the store owner's like you and your children

and your grandchildren

and your grandchildren are all going to go to jail for it.

How does that make sense, right?

And then my dad's like, all right, what can I do?

Can I pay you?

Can I what can I do?

Can I return it?

Like, no, I've got the son who's absolutely innocent

and perfect.

And if you torture him, put him on a cross and kill him,

then we're even.

How does that make sense?

I didn't make any sense to me.

So I was like, no, I'm good with that.

Just so, I mean, I still use a good church because all my friends went,

but it didn't really make sense.

So a little bit later, I mean, got into all kinds of stuff,

robbed gun stores, worked with the cartels.

We used to go over to Tijuana because San Diego likes to Tijuana.

And I was like, like I said, it's not like the movies.

I mean, it's really, really a stressful life.

You know, people, people nowadays like teenagers talk about,

oh, I'm stressed out because the Wi-Fi dropped

and I lost my clash for a real match.

Or, you know, my trophies went down or whatever, you know.

Like, they think that's stress, you know,

but, you know, we would go over to Tijuana

and you would go over to the cartel compounds

and like, we're 15, 16-year-old kids.

And they would have like dead bodies.

They would have bodies that were burnt alive.

And, you know, in drums and you could still smell that.

I mean, I mean, I'm telling you like,

you cannot forget that smell.

I mean, it's, it's, it's insane.

You know, I mean, people talk about nightmares and stress

and grinding your teeth and I'm telling you,

man, if you've been through what I've been through,

you, it's some crazy stuff, you know.

And, anyway, so, you know, that, that was life for us,

you know, we schooled school.

I got kicked out of so many schools.

You know, I mean, I had good grades.

I mean, but I just, you know, gang life is gang life, right?

You, somebody walks up, challenges you,

you got to do what you got to do.

And, yeah, so, I mean, Wilson Middle School,

I got kicked out, I got jumped by an Asian gang.

And just me and my friends, we were making up laps

and 30 guys came and jumped us.

So we pulled out knives and when we pulled out knives

and the police got called and then went to

PB Middle School, I punched a teacher.

Why?

So I had good grades, right?

And I wanted to keep good grades because my,

my mother was very strict on grades, right?

So my mom didn't realize a lot of the stuff

that I was involved in because she was working really hard

to make the bills and I never disobeyed my mother.

I never spoke back to my mother.

I was never rude to my mother.

You can, she's still alive.

My luck gave her a long life.

You can ask her.

I mean, I have never spoken back to my mother.

I was never disrespectful,

but that's not strong.

That's not a mantra.

That's a punk move.

You know, that's your mom.

You know, so, you know, I was always good with my mom,

you know, and I had good grades.

But I was also involved in the gang world

so you couldn't really be in class all the time

because you were involved other stuff, right?

So I would tell the teachers, look, you know,

I mean, some of the teachers,

we just didn't know.

Like, look, let's just make sure we're going to get good grades, right?

And some of the teachers, it would be like a deal.

Like, okay, look, I'll pass the tests.

Don't worry about whether I'm in class or not.

Because I mean, I wasn't stupid.

Like, I could, I could do the work, you know?

Yeah.

So one of the teachers, like, the,

in P.B. with a different teacher,

but I'll tell you that story as well.

Just got disrespectful with me.

And we could not take disrespect at all, right?

We don't put up with that.

So I was, I was chasing somebody else.

And he tried to grab my shirt.

And when he grabbed my shirt, like, he didn't realize it was me.

Otherwise, he would have never done it.

When I turned around, looked at him.

I mean, and for everybody that grabbed me,

I just punched him because, you know,

we can't take disrespect.

As a gang member, if you let somebody disrespect you,

then who are you, right?

It's like prison rules, right?

Like, if you let somebody get over with little something,

next thing, they'll be getting over with a lot.

So you don't, you don't let them cross that line.

So that was at PB Middle School.

Another teacher, he had told me that if you pass all your tests,

you get an A.

It was an intermediate algebra.

I remember it.

And then it was Richard, too.

I said, I remember his name.

Yeah.

And I had, I had good grades.

I passed all my tests.

I just wasn't in class because I was doing other stuff.

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At the end of when we were getting our grades,

he gave me a D.

Like a D.

Oh my God, a D.

I had never brought a C home, let alone,

I mean, if I had a B, I'd be stressed out

because my mom was strict.

When I saw that, I was like, a D.

I was like, bro, I'm not getting a D.

You're chaining us to a A, like we promised.

And he's like, yeah, yeah, we had a deal,

but you never showed up.

You didn't do the homeworks.

I said, yeah, but our deal was,

as long as I get 90% higher on tests,

you're gonna give me an A.

And I did.

Of course, I had somebody else do the test for me,

but that's all I'm sorry.

So, he was like, yeah, whatever,

but you know, you didn't do this with this.

So, when he started to like talk back,

I just got mad, I punched him.

When I punched him, he started running.

I started chasing him,

and then security, and everybody got me,

and then they kicked me out of that school too.

That was John Muir School for Humanistic Studies.

Yeah, the school they said, nobody got kicked out of.

But the funny thing is, when they actually sent the grades home,

I had an A.

No way, that's hilarious.

So, our teachers couldn't mess with us.

We knew where they lived.

We were, I mean, our gang had almost 6,000 people.

I mean, even if you put me in jail,

he got 5,999 other guys that I'll show up at your door.

So, they just said, forget it.

There were some teachers we'd give them weed.

You know, it was that kind of lifestyle.

You know, we had a principal,

I had a really funny story, the principal.

So, and then it was Ariel,

which is kind of a funny because some of your girls name it.

Anyway, Ariel was new to our school.

So, when he came, he acted like one of those tough guys.

You know, like he saw those movies.

A classic, yeah.

Yeah, he came in.

I'm going to fix these gang kids, you know.

So, he came up, like we were just hanging out

and he walked up on us and he was like,

I'm the new sheriff in town and this.

And you're not going to get it with this kind of stuff anymore.

He's like, all up in our faces.

And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, pump your brakes, guy.

And he was like, who's this guy?

You know, they're like, he's a new principal.

Like, all right, we'll fix him.

So, we said, all right.

So, we had a big network like him.

We had 6,000 about, you know, members.

And then we also had like, people that wanted to like hang out with us.

So, those were new associates.

Yeah, associates, exactly.

So, Eastside, even if not like,

so it ain't yours.

It's one, then Eastside.

Then under Eastside, you had the bandits.

You had the little Diablos.

You had the dead and locals.

You had rascals.

You had all these little sex, right?

So, we had all kinds of a network.

And then the associates, I mean, you know, unlimited people.

So, we said, all right, find out who he is,

who his kids are, where he lives, everything.

So, we found out that his children went to a private school,

right, and he was well off, actually.

So, we said, all right, you know, who are his kids?

Like, you know, he's got a son, he's got a daughter,

he's got this.

We didn't mess with women.

Like, we didn't mess with people's wives.

Like, that was against the rules, you know.

So, we said, all right, we found out about his son.

And his son was like, I want to be like, he wanted to be cool,

but he wasn't.

So, we had some people in that private school

that were kind of like associated with us.

So, we told him, hey,

if you talk to him, like, who's he going to want to hang out with?

You guys, they were like, Kelly, he's always trying to hang out with his nerds.

Like, all right, cool.

On this day, after school, don't let him get on his bus

home, take him off for donuts.

And this is before cell phones, right?

So, we had pages, but no cell phones.

So, this kid, they tell him, hey, you want to go have some donuts?

And he was like, oh, yeah, I'm going to hang out with a cool gang, guys, you know.

So, they, after school, they took him off for donuts.

Now, our school got out, and I just went to the principal's office,

Ariel's office, and I just told him, how you doing?

And he's like, good.

Where's your son?

And he was like, what?

How do you know how to have a son?

I was like, do you have a son?

And he's like, yeah, what's your son?

And he's like, what do you mean, there's my son?

And he's at home.

Are you sure he's at home?

So, then like, he picked up his desk phone, you know.

And he calls home, and his son didn't make it home from school.

Wow.

So, he's like, where's my son?

I was like, how would I know where your son is?

And he's like, well, why'd you ask me?

I was like, well, it's not illegal to ask you how your son is.

Is he in school?

So, he calls the school.

School's like, now he left, right?

Now, his son's out there having donuts with these guys.

His son doesn't know anything.

What's going on?

So, he starts, I'm going to call the police.

I call the police.

I've been here all day.

I'm in front of you.

Like, I'm in school.

Like, what are you going to tell the police?

I did something.

Like, you're my owl, by the way.

So, he, you know, he starts freaking out, makes calls.

You know, again, can't find his son.

So, after a while, I'm just standing there chilling at the office.

You know, and then after a while, he comes and he's like,

where's my son?

I was like, how would I know where your son is?

And he's like, look, if you, if you can find my son,

I'll do anything, you know?

I was like, anything?

I was like, I was like, well, I can make some calls.

I can ask some people.

When you find out.

But things are going to be a little different, right?

And he's like, yeah.

So, you know, after a while, I paged my friend.

He called me from a paper and I told him to be home, man.

Take him home, bro.

Wow.

And it took the son home.

Son had no idea the whole time.

He just thought he was having donuts with some cool guys.

And from then on, the father realized that, look, we can get to you.

We can get to your family.

We can, you know, gangs aren't something to play with.

So, after that, we would deal drugs at school.

We did whatever nobody touched us.

He would walk by and be like, how are you doing?

And that was middle school?

That was high school.

Oh, high school.

Wow.

Damn, you were smart as a little teeny.

Oh, we did a lot of other stuff, man.

I can't even talk about some of the stuff.

Wow.

We were at the gun store one time.

Holy crap.

That sounds pretty good.

We would plan that out too.

Like it was great.

Like it was a street called Juniper Street in San Diego.

I don't want to give too many details about statue of the rotation.

We cannot cut the name out if you want.

Yeah, that's high.

Yeah, so we did a pay phone at that time, you know, a pay phone to the thing.

So we went to the pay phone call 911 from the pay phone and just hung up.

So the police would show up.

So we'd watch where their route was from.

And we had so many people like, you know, young Mexicans in Southern California

is no short of a so we would just tell people like, look,

you're just going to be posted clock up.

So every few days we would do it.

You wouldn't do it every day because then they would stop coming

and you would just clock their route.

So you knew every time they had to go down

Juniper Street, do we knew the street and we knew their time.

You know, it was going to be a little bit of a window,

but we knew their time.

So basically we said, okay, we're going to steal three cars.

The first car, this is, you know, 2 a.m.

We're going to park sideways so it blocks both lanes.

The two two lane and we're going to take the the battery out.

So you can't you can't move it basically.

And at the same time, the second car, we're going to ram the front of the

story. So you you shatter the whole front, the metal,

everything you just ram the car in.

And the third car is the one that you're going to put everything in.

And then you take it to a spot and then you just leave that third car there

and you get out on bicycles.

Everything you've you've taken, you put in backpacks, you get on bicycles.

And we knew they had these sewer routes so that you would go to the

sewer water so the dogs can't even follow you.

Wow.

So we were yeah, we were planning some

planned out while teenagers.

Yeah, holy crap.

Yeah, crazy times.

Yeah.

And then when did it all start going downhill?

Um, I was already downhill.

The day you joined again, you go downhill.

But what happened is I had a really, really good friend

I grew up with since I was, you know, about eight and he was 10,

he was two years older than me.

And from the same gang, the gang had a leadership and we were both from it.

You would have 13 members as leaders.

Usually he was 12 because somebody was either killed or in jail or the

rotations, but yeah, but that was like the leadership crew.

And we were both from it.

Um, and there was, uh, I went to a party and I got a phone number from

somebody that wanted to, you know, meet up and do some, uh, illicit stuff.

Yeah.

Um, and she didn't even care like what you look like.

It was just because of who you were.

Wow.

Yeah, I mean, that was another aspect of the gang life.

Um, because, you know, you had a lot of power.

You could, you could change grades.

You could, you could money wasn't it?

I mean, we would do runs that you would make 50 grand as a teenager.

What are you going to do with that money?

You can't put in a bank.

You can't invest it.

You can't buy Bitcoin.

You can't buy properties.

You would just buy cars and put gold rims and go out to like places and just

blow money, you know, just put it under your, your mattress or whatever.

Yeah.

So I mean, if some girl had some problem with, you know, finances, you could take

care of it.

If her stepdad was being abusive, you could take care of him.

Like you had all that.

So, so people just wanted to be close to you.

So, so I couldn't go out regularly because my mom was strict.

So I could only go out and do this stuff.

If I told her I was playing that night and my friend's house and my

friend's parents didn't care.

So my mom would call the parents and be like, okay, make sure they're in bed by

night.

So it'd be like, see you soon, Rita.

You know, and then they'd be like, you know, do whatever.

So we'd be out to whatever.

So Saturday night was like our big night, right?

So Saturday night, I had it set up for this girl.

Another girl gave me a number and she was better looking.

So I was like, well, you know, I'm going to have to take.

So that one of my friends like, hey, give me the other one.

You take one.

I said, all right, here's the number for you.

I'll take the other.

So it was like that.

So the way it kind of worked, like you would show up.

You would call them, page them.

And then the girl would come out, meet you at a paper or whatever.

And she would take you wherever and do whatever.

So turned out it was a setup to kill me by an enemy gang.

Yeah, I mean, this was, you know, we used to have these back and forth

because gangs would go at it, you know, gangs like Logan Heights,

gangs like that were well established, like on centuries, right?

These are gangs that have been around since maybe the 40s and 50s.

Like this is not new gangs, like the generational, like the, you know,

there's the white fence or 18th street or all these gangs in LA.

These are Pachukos before, you know, if you look at the history of the Mexican gangs,

you know, they've been around, right?

So, so their wars have also been around back and forth between them.

So basically the girl was a plant, right?

So she wasn't really interested in me.

Yeah, basic, you know, I was going to show up.

And it was by name designed for me, right?

But as Allah would have it,

Qadar on your faith or destiny, whatever you want to call it,

it wasn't meant for me to die that day.

So even though I was planning on going,

ended up that my friend went instead of me.

And when he got there to the payphone and Qadar, she said,

I'll be right out instead of her coming out,

a bunch of guys came out with guns and just, you know,

while he was in the booth, they just shot him up.

Holy shit.

Yeah, he got nine bullets, you know, one through the hand,

few in the chest, one straight to the head.

So that was supposed to be me.

Cheers.

So that was definitely the wake-up call.

That was okay.

You know what, man, what's life about?

So when I went, I mean, when I found out the next day,

I mean, I was, I was like, you're lying, bro.

When they call me, they're like, he's dead.

I was like, bro, you're lying.

Like you are absolutely got to be joking.

Like this can't be.

And they started thinking, like, what am I doing in my life?

Like, you know, what am I doing?

So when I went to the funeral,

it was tough, man.

You know, you're putting him in the coffin,

and they wanted to open casket,

so you know, it's headed and blowed off.

So they had to like, plastic it,

they put like, fake hair, put makeup to fix holes,

and you're looking at him,

and it just looks like, it looks horrible,

you know, and you start thinking,

I'm supposed to be laying there.

And he was 20 at the time, I was 18.

And I just started thinking, like, I'm 18,

and I'm supposed to be there.

And how many of my friends are already buried

in the same graveyard?

So what are we doing this for?

Like money?

Like, where's the money going to go?

Like, we buried him that day with no money.

You know, no, you know, he had tons of money.

His, I mean, at home, he probably had at least four, five,

six hundred K in cash, right?

He had, you know, everything you could think of

from clothes to shoes to, you know, at that time,

whatever people thought was like, oh, you know,

but none of it went with him.

Like, we didn't bury his money,

or his clothes, or his bling, or any of that with him.

We used to have the 64-in-pala that we had bought together,

as, you know, we just put our money together.

It had like gold rims, and had hydraulics,

and the woofer system that was like,

pro paint job.

We used to take it to a place called Highland Avenue.

That's like the San Diego cruising place.

And, but that day his brothers were driving it.

Like, it didn't go with them, you know,

he had all kinds of girls.

He had 13 kids from different girls.

Holding.

Yeah, yeah, it was popular.

But each one of those baby mamas were crying on somebody else's shoulder.

Like, you know, he left all those kids behind.

He left his family.

His mother was sitting there crying over his dead body.

And that day I was like,

I mean, I gotta get out of this stuff.

There's just no point in it, right?

The money's not worth it.

The girl's fame.

Nothing goes with you.

So what's life about?

Like, why am I on earth?

So even though I'm from a Muslim family,

and I was born in a Muslim family,

but I didn't really think about Islam first,

because I was used to going to the church.

So I kind of went to the church.

I went on a mission.

I went back and I was like, look,

I'm really serious.

Like, I want to learn.

And, you know, like everything that taught me

didn't make sense.

And every question I had was either it's a mystery or don't ask.

Or it was like one of those really,

like, you were really stretching to try to answer the things,

you know, and I was like, yeah, it doesn't make sense.

So that's how I let me look into other religions.

So I went to like Barnes and Noble.

I went to like bookshops.

I went to use thrift stores.

I just bought up every book of every religion that I could find.

And again, like, I mean, I wasn't dumb.

Like, I could read, I could, I was, I could comprehend.

I would just cut up and that stuff, right?

So I would go through books like crazy.

You know, I would go through books like,

you know, like, I would, I would sit down and just finish

a good big thick book in a day.

Wow.

And there was a place called Mesa College, you know?

So I started taking some classes.

I tried to like, you know, get away from doing all that.

I don't know nonsense.

And I would just go to the library and just lock myself in a room

and just read.

And I started reading like Hindu literature.

And I didn't really make sense.

You know, there were multiple God, but it was one God.

But then like God was this like blue guy.

And then like I read Mahabharat.

And they had a story of Ram and Sita.

How Ram was a God.

But his wife Sita got kidnapped.

And he couldn't like get her back.

Until he got monkeys to help him.

I was like, God, they can't even get his wife back.

I was like, I'm done with that.

Like Buddhism, like I started reading a lot.

It sounded really cool.

But then I was like, yeah.

Even if your wife's getting killed,

you can't repel violence with violence.

You just meditate.

It was like, what?

Somebody attacks my mom in front of me.

You think I'm going to meditate now, bro.

I'm going to defend my mom, you know.

There's a lot of things like people say they don't mean.

And I hate that.

Like I say what I mean.

And I mean what I say.

Like that's what I'm about.

Like I'm not going to fake it.

Like you know, people like turned other cheek.

You know, I was in the UK.

The video's online.

I'll send you the clip.

And this Christian preacher,

street preacher guy came up.

And he was like, he was trying to get this other Jewish gentleman

who was telling him that Jesus was just another Jew.

But he was trying to get him on his side during the debate.

So he tells them, look, us as Christians and Jews,

we turned other cheek.

These Muslims are violent.

And I was like, wait, what?

Like we're not violent first of.

Like, you know, we're peaceful people.

But we're not going to let somebody violate us.

That's true.

But would you turn to other cheek?

He's like, yeah, that's what the Bible teaches us.

It's all right.

So let me slap you right now.

Like I'm going to, bam.

Knock you a good one.

And let's see you turn to other cheek.

And he's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Like why not?

Like if that's what you're preaching,

then that's what you should be living.

If you talk to talk, walk the walk.

But that's what it is.

Like people say stuff, but they don't mean it.

They're not really going to turn to other cheek.

They just say that, right?

And I'm not about that.

That's hypocrisy too.

So even Buddhism, like I read it,

it seemed like a good philosophy,

but it wasn't really practical.

If you live by Buddhism,

how are you going to run a country?

How are you going to have an army?

How are you going to defend your borders?

You can't, right?

So that means it's not really,

it's not practical, right?

So I was like, I'm done with that.

I went to kingdom halls.

I went to every kind of church.

I went to, I studied the Latter-day Saint Christian,

which is commonly called Mormons.

I studied, you know, the Book of Mormon,

whatever I could get my hand on,

I studied.

And in the end,

Islam was the only thing that made sense.

Like one God, okay, that made sense.

I mean, if we had multiple gods,

they'd be battling over whether it should be Latter-day,

and that doesn't make sense, right?

To look at the universe in the same perfect manner,

you know, rotations of the stars in the same way,

everything's made out of cells.

Like it's shoulders, one creator made sense.

The message of Jesus is beautiful, right?

He told people to be good,

not to kill, not to steal.

The message of Moses is beautiful.

The message of Abraham is beautiful.

The message of Muhammad is beautiful.

Peace and blessing people on all of them.

I saw a commonality in it, right?

Like, don't worship idol.

Like the Ten Commandments, right?

I, as a Muslim, live by the Ten Commandments.

Don't worship idols.

Worship one God.

Here always are your Lord is one.

Who Allah, I had, like, it's all the same, right?

So to say that the same God inspired Abraham, Moses,

Jesus, Muhammad, peace be upon all of them,

to love all of them, not to hate, not to,

you know, you're never going to see me disrespecting a Bible.

You never see me eating a Bible.

You never see me burning a Bible,

because I respect the literature of other faiths.

Even if I don't believe in it,

it doesn't mean that I should show disrespect to it.

You'll never see a Muslim making cartoons

or mocking Jesus because we love Jesus.

So I love Jesus.

Jesus calls himself a prophet.

His followers call him a prophet.

The people that saw his miracles in the Bible

that the Christians have today,

they call them a prophet, right?

So nowhere in the Bible,

does Jesus ever explicitly come out and say,

I am God?

Like God, the one above,

the one that sent Jesus does.

And Jesus tells that God,

you're the only true God.

And Jesus Christ is whom you have sent

in their Bible today.

So that made sense, you know?

So being accountable for your deeds,

as Muslims, I believe you have accountability.

Like I don't think my deeds

are going to be good enough to get me into heaven.

That's the mercy of God.

But I do believe that even as a Muslim

on the day of judgment,

I will be taken to account for what I've done.

Because, I mean, can you imagine that no accountability?

Like that doesn't make sense.

And you would be a, you know,

child-graping, you know, Epstein and go to heaven?

Like not.

Yeah.

Hitler, Hitler believed in Jesus.

That does not mean he should go to heaven,

just because he believed.

No.

I think people should be held accountable.

I believe in mercy.

I believe in forgiveness.

I believe God can forgive all sins.

You know, that's great.

But I also believe that people will be held accountable.

And that made sense to me.

So that, all that clicked.

But then another problem opened up.

You can't leave the gang world.

I hate, yeah.

It's not a social club.

You can't cancel your membership.

It's not a gym.

So, when I wanted to leave,

I kind of just like stopped going to the gang.

Like we have a territory.

We have a place.

We have the spot where everybody eggs out.

You know, we'll be the sealed drugs and all that.

And at that time,

it was used to be an alley behind the street

called Euclid Avenue in East San Diego.

It's called City Heights nowadays.

And that was the spot.

So we had all these garages

that we used to rent out to be like our drug dealing spot.

We used to rent out apartments

just to have lookouts with guns sitting up top.

Yeah, because other gangs would try to attack.

And you would have lookout for the police in case

they were going to raid and all this.

It was very organized.

And I planned a lot of it.

So I knew a lot.

You were the mastermind.

Yeah.

Other people as well.

But I was one of the people, right?

So I just stopped going there.

So after a while,

I mean, my friend had just gotten killed in my place

with the understood.

But after a while, they were like,

oh, where are you at, right?

And I was like,

I'm Muslim now,

but I can't be doing none of that.

And they were like,

look, we respect religion.

I mean, the Mexican culture is very religious.

So they were like, look,

whether you're Christian,

Catholic, Jewish,

Muslim, whatever you believe,

that's fine.

Go to Sunday church.

Go to the Friday mosque.

Go to Saturday Sabbath.

That's up to you.

But gang comes first.

I guess blood in, blood out.

If you want to be from the leadership,

you have to shed blood to get in.

Yeah.

And you have to die to get out.

There's no exit.

So you were part of the leadership at this one?

That was.

Yeah.

The carnalis, you know?

So you had to blood in and then,

I mean, I'll tell you,

I had a friend growing up and he was one of the leaders.

And he got shot.

So he became a paraplegic.

Because he was in a wheelchair,

paralyzed from the neck down.

Cheers.

And he still was part of the gang.

Why?

He would still go to the spot.

And later on, he got killed because

a drive-by happened and everybody ran

and he couldn't because he was in a wheelchair.

Wow.

You know, I mean, that's how deep.

I mean, I still have people that I grew up with

that are doing five life sentences

one after the other.

Cheers.

Because they shot five people tied up in a house.

So they will never get out of life.

Right?

Out of jail.

Their life without parole, basically.

And they're still in the gang.

And they're still involved in running.

And then there's what's called a shoe.

I don't know if you know what a shoe is.

It hurts a shoe secured housing unit.

OK.

So his, he used to write to me from it.

It was six foot by 10 foot.

So and he's a tall guy.

So if he put his arms out,

he could touch the sides of the walls.

Yeah.

And all the cell on this way.

And 23 hours a day, he's in there.

Oh my god.

23 hours.

No social contact.

No Wi-Fi for the young guys.

And no TV, no game console.

This is a Norway.

They don't give you an Xbox.

23 hours.

One hour a day, he can only walk around in a little circle

in a little cage that's next to it.

But he can't talk to anybody.

Wow.

And he's still in the gang.

And he still calls shots.

What?

And he still calls hits from inside the shoe.

How?

I can't talk about on camera.

But that's crazy.

You know, that's, that's how deep the gang ties go.

So when I wanted to get away,

they were like, like, there's no getting away.

So I tell them, look, I'm Muslim now.

And like, I chain my life.

Like, I can't be out doing all that nonsense.

I can't be involved in drugs or, you know, you know,

something funny.

I never drank alcohol in my entire life.

And it wasn't for religion.

When I was growing up, it was not because I was a Muslim.

It was because I didn't like the way people acted

when they were drunk.

One of my friends got drunk and he peed himself.

And I thought, you know, I don't wear out of control like that.

So I never drank alcohol.

I never did hard drugs because we as gang leaders

were not allowed to do anything hard.

No heroin, no meth, because that compromises you.

Then for whatever you might give up information.

Yeah.

So I mean, you know, I never smoked.

I never saw the point in it.

I did a lot of other bad things, but let's not talk about that.

So anyway, so at that time, I was like, look,

I'm done with that lifestyle.

I'm sorry.

I got to step away.

I stepped away, but they were like, look, you can't step away.

I mean, you know too much.

And this is like, look, I'm not a rat.

I'm not, I'm not going to, you know, tell on you guys,

like whatever happened happened.

Don't worry about it.

And like, they're like, yeah, but rules are rules.

And it's blood out.

So so that began a very, very stressful chapter in my life.

If you thought the earlier life was stressful,

this was worse.

Wow.

Because now I had other gangs still trying to kill me

because of old vendetta's.

And now I had my own gang that knew everything about me,

what coffee I like, what tea I drank, every single detail

in my life, they knew.

And they were trying to kill me.

Jay.

So that time I basically used to sleep in my attic.

And my attic had like a vent that looked out.

So I would like look out from the slides, you know,

the little openings with weaponry all night.

I would, I would stay up.

Because I know how they would do it.

And it's the way I'd done it with them.

Yeah.

Which is you would wait to like 4 a.m. 5 a.m.

when the person's about to fall asleep.

And then you know, because you stay up all night,

you party, but that time you just crash out.

And then you just walk up and you just spray the whole house.

Holy crap.

And then what I was most worried about is my mom,

he's delivered me that she would get hit in the crossfire

because bullets don't discriminate.

Yeah.

And I loved my mom.

I still love my mom.

She's been an amazing mother.

So I was like, I can't let that happen.

And she didn't know you were part of the gang, right?

Yeah, I mean, this time I told her a lot of the stuff.

She knew that I was getting away from it.

She supported me.

She was with me.

She didn't know a lot when it was happening.

But after the fact, I mean, you know,

she knew a lot of the stuff.

And she was amazing mother.

You know, she was very strong.

She said, look, I have your back, whatever, you know.

So, you know, we weren't rich.

We couldn't just get up and move somewhere.

Yeah.

So I started going to college,

taking classes.

I started working a regular job.

I started paying my own bills and no longer

no drug money coming in.

And that was great.

But then at the same time, I'd have to,

like I started studying Islam.

I started doing Arabic.

I started, I didn't know how to read Arabic.

I knew that, right?

So I went to Alev Batat and I wanted to really study

because I didn't want to have step anything.

I didn't have to stop the gang world.

So I was going to have something Muslim.

So I absolutely called Turkey, kept my friends out.

So the first night was hard.

Second, third, fourth week, two week, three weeks.

And it was difficult, but they didn't do anything.

That's strange.

But they did know that I had a lot of guns.

You know, I mean, they knew because they knew, right?

So after a while, I started thinking,

like these are people I grew up with.

You know, these are people that I was very close to.

These are people that we had crazy experiences with.

And they don't know about Islam.

And they don't know about another's life that is a way,

like a lot of these guys, their fathers were in the gang.

Their grandfathers were in the gang.

Their brothers were in the gang.

Their uncles were in the gang.

So that's all they know, right?

So to them, like, you know, for you, maybe you get up in the morning,

hit the gym, you know, drink a shake,

or whatever, drink your coffee.

That's your daily routine.

That's what you know, right?

To them, you know, you get up at noon,

you go out in the school and, you know,

teachers don't say anything to you and you sell your drugs

and you stab somebody and you go home at night

and slide up whatever and hang out.

So for them, that's that's literally all they know.

So I said, I think it's my job to go and tell them about Islam

and tell them about, you know,

you can get out of the gang world, you know?

So I decided to go back, but to preach to a, wow, you know,

so I said, like, if I go in my car and I had old

ganks or looking cars, they might confuse me for another gang

or they might figure out it's me and the, you know,

like I said, the hood had, like, look out.

The young guys would pay them just to be on rooftops

that if they saw something, they would,

they used to have these old cell phones

and they would page a code that meant either cops

or enemies or whatever.

So I said, they see me, they're going to send a code.

It's going to, you know, might just start shooting.

So I said, I'm not going to go armed.

I'm going to be unarmed and I'm going to walk.

And I was wearing like a soap, like a robe, like this.

And I had like a turban on and I started to grow

my beard out.

I looked different.

So I kept, and this is, this is 1995.

So I mean, this is not like, you know,

people didn't know what the most it was at the time.

Yeah.

So I was walking into the alley and at first,

they didn't recognize me.

They were just like, who's this weird looking guy

in a dress or whatever, right?

When I got closer and they recognized me,

they were like, what's this guy doing here?

So one of my really good friends that I grew up with,

he was also a leader in the gang.

And I remember him very well, I remember till today,

he looked at me and said, he was, I sort of God,

you will not walk out of this alley alive.

You know, we were thinking how to kill you

in a way that you don't kill a lot of us.

And you've walked here.

They were like, are you armed?

I was like, I'm not armed.

And they were like, I sort of got you.

I'm not going to walk out of here alive.

There's no way in hell you're going to walk out

of this alley alive.

So that's how I'm like, you know, life and death,

whatever, man, we've seen so much death.

Like, you know, but let me just speak to you.

Give me five minutes, you know?

And they're like, all right.

So I started talking, like, look, you know,

this guy got killed, this guy got killed.

This, look at his mom, she's struggling.

Look at his kids, they're orphaned.

Look at his girl.

Now she's, you know, sleeping all these guys

because she's got to make these bills and this, this,

like, what was the point of what they did?

Like gang, like, what is, what good did they do for them?

And some of them started crying, you know,

because they had the emotions, you know,

they're human beings.

They're not monsters.

They're not, they're not robots.

They're not AI, you know?

So they started feeling what I'm saying.

And some of them were like shaking their head.

Some of them were like nodding, like, you know?

So one of the guys who's a big leader with a Tarano OG guy,

he walked up, he said, look, you're not a rat.

You're not going to the cops.

You're good.

You did it for religion.

Just walk away.

Walk away.

We're not going to harm you.

Just walk away.

But don't talk to us anymore.

Because you're messing us up, you know?

So I tell them, no, I tell them, look, if you guys come to the mosque,

we're going to make some food, we'll hang out, then I'll walk away.

And they were like, look, we'll make it open and wide.

We'll want us to come and come.

It's all right, cool.

So I walked away.

And about 12 of them became Muslim and left the gang world.

Wow.

But a lot of them, I mean, a lot of them later on,

like I just did a podcast recently.

I haven't posted it yet with one of the guys that was still in it

that caught up with me recently.

And he got out as well.

He's not Muslim.

He's Christian, actually.

But we were both working on trying to help the gang members

leave the gang world today and find a better life.

And a lot of them that I knew are dead today,

in the podcast we talk about names and people.

A lot of them are doing life without parole.

It's a rough, rough life.

But Hamdallah, I mean, a lot of them did leave.

And a lot of them had to leave the city because they had vendettas out for them.

But they're doing a lot better now.

So we still work on it.

I mean, recently we went out to a lot of different neighborhoods

from Compton to Oblach, Chicago.

Yeah, Chicago.

Interesting.

I went out to Chicago and one of my sons, he likes to mess with me.

So he was like, hey, I know you're going to be giving some lectures

in North Chicago and Lombard, those nice areas.

But don't go to Oblach.

It is dangerous.

And you're not who you used to be.

And my son, you know who he triggers me.

You know, I'm not scared of this stuff.

So I was like, what?

I'm kind of not scared of Oblach.

And I was like, no, you don't go there.

Oblach, you can't handle that.

I was like, God, I'm going to go to Oblach.

So I went up to Chicago and I was in Lombard.

And I was like, no, he's rich, like, you know, engineers and stuff.

And I was like, hey, I want to go to Oblach and do that while I call people

towards a better life, you know, and all that.

And they were like, Oblach, where is that?

And I was like, in South Chicago.

And they were like, why the hell would you want to go to South Chicago?

Let's get away.

And I was like, well, that's where it's needed, you know?

And they were like, nah, we've lived in Chicago our whole life.

We've never been down there.

I said, no, I'm going to go.

So I got a couple other crazy guys.

And we went out to Oblach.

And the video that you can check on one of my six foundation,

we put out a table and just on a random street in Oblach.

Yeah, yeah, just on a random street.

We didn't know Oblach, right?

Like, we just found a place.

It was like a liquor store had like a mural of King Von or something

that had been killed there.

So we just put up a table.

We talked to the liquor store owner or, you know,

I said, hey, you know, it's okay.

They were like, yeah, it's okay.

And then I thought, we don't have a permit or anything, you know?

So the cop pulled up and there's a video of this.

You know, you see the, there's a big African-American cop

and a little white lady.

They're both police officers, best on day.

They like pulled up on the curb, like pulled up on us.

You know, and I was like, oh, and I was like,

they're going to ask us about permits.

And they were like, what are you doing here?

And I was like, oh, you know, we're just

trying to talk to the community, trying to get people

to leave the gang in this, have a better life.

They were like, no, no, no, what are you doing here?

Because you're not black.

And Chicago is different.

Like there's like little village.

It's like a Latino neighborhood, all Latino, you know?

And you go to like old block or South Chicago

and some areas are all black.

Like California is not any like that.

Like it's all mixed.

Yeah.

So they were like, you of your race should not be here.

And I was like, what?

Like, you're not worried about a permit or something?

You're like, no, who cares about your permit, you know?

But we're just where you're going to get killed.

I was like, oh, don't worry about me.

Like, we're good here, you know, we're not scared of anything,

you know?

And the lady was like, all right, man, if I hear gunfire,

we'll come.

Otherwise, you know, we're not going to come in to help you.

Like, we're good, you know?

So we just set up a table and you can see the video.

We just started talking to people and young guys pulled up.

It was 14 year old, pulled up with like a lock, you know?

And he pulled up his shirt, he was like, showing me his lock.

And I was like, so I got three.

So he started talking to him.

And a lot of them, we had 30, we had 29 people

become Muslim that day.

No way, yeah, one day.

Wow, you'll see the videos are on there.

You know, we had good conversations.

People, you know, big escalators,

just pulled up, gang members just walked out and started talking.

And, you know, I told him, look, I've been there.

I know what you're going through, but you can get out.

Like, you can leave that life.

And 29 people became Muslim, we're wrapping up.

And the cop came back.

And I still remember that there's a video you can see of him

with us.

And he told me, I got a question for you.

I said, what?

He said, how come you weren't scared?

Like, he goes, you know, when the, a lot of day

saints or awakenesses or other pre didn't want to come down

here.

And especially just come out and hang out

the way you were doing it.

But you weren't scared.

I said, no, we're Muslim.

We don't fear anybody but a lot.

You know, life and death is written.

Whenever it's written, it's written.

So we're not worried about these things.

And I started talking to him.

And then that cop became Muslim.

No, yeah, that was our 30th Shahada that day.

So that's impressive.

We went back a few times, every time, 25, 29, 30 people

become Muslim.

Now the brothers there have been doing a great job.

I mean, I'm not there.

Like those brothers that live there are the ones holding it down.

They even have a Friday prayer now in Old Block.

Like in the middle, they bring everybody together.

There's been some documentaries on YouTube recorded

by non-Muslims that have gone out and they've

documented.

They show clips from our videos and how

Old Block improved from people becoming Muslim and from us

going out there.

Oh, even the police said the calls for violent crimes

have gone down.

Wow.

I mean, gangs have calmed down.

Last time I was there, we even tried

to make a truce between two of the gangs there.

We had sit-downs.

So we try to make the world a better place.

So interesting, because certain media outlets, Portrait,

Islam is violent, but you're saying the complete opposite.

Well, I mean, that's the thing.

I mean, there are Muslims that are violent.

I'm not going to deny that.

I don't believe in being real, right?

There are Christians that are violent.

There are Jews that are violent.

There are Hindus that are violent.

I mean, who started Suicide Vest was the Tamil Tigers, which

are mostly from Hindu backgrounds, who

used violence for political terrorism,

Zionists in the King David bombing.

I mean, you can go Google it.

It's not secret knowledge, right?

I mean, the big world wars were all fought

between Christian countries.

I mean, till today, you got right wing extremists,

and you got left wing extremists, shooting people,

and killing people, and riots.

I mean, there's good and bad everywhere.

It's hypocritical.

You know, like if a Muslim does something,

immediately they blame Islam for it.

But if a Christian, like you saw the shooting that happened

in the Latter-day Saints Church, which are called Mormons,

usually, where a guy with Trump stickers,

and he's Christian himself, big American flag took his white pickup

truck and rammed it, took his AR and shot up the place.

No.

But they never mentioned his religion.

Like, it was just all he was disturbed.

But imagine if that was a Muslim.

Like, if that was a Muslim wearing a turban and had an AK,

it would have been everywhere.

Exactly, right?

Exactly.

Like Maduro is a Christian from a 98% Christian country

who uses the Bible in his speeches.

There are pictures and videos, right?

But when they arrested him, they didn't mention that.

But if that was Saddam, who Saddam was a secularist.

He didn't even care about religion.

He was a Baptist, absolute socialist, communist-looking guy.

But immediately, they put Islam on trial.

Because when the KKK burns across in your yard,

nobody says, hey, these are Bible-thumping Christians.

They just say, oh, they're crazy.

They are crazy.

ISIS is crazy.

I condemn ISIS.

I condemn any terrorist organization,

whether Christian, whether Muslim, whether Jewish,

whether atheist, whatever they mean.

Anybody that kills innocent people, I condemn it.

And the Quran condemns it.

And Islam condemns it.

And I believe Christianity condemns it.

If I want to take verses out of the Bible and misquote them,

I can all day long.

I can show you verses about killing children,

about massacring old people.

But I would always say that don't take that

to mean every Christian is like that.

They're reversing the Quran.

You could misquote and take out of context.

And that happened.

And I'll show you one.

Just since we're on the subject, as you can see,

my Quran is well tabbed up as well.

So this is in a chapter called Unfold,

which is about a war that was going on

when the Muslims were driven out of their houses and attacked.

And it says, and prepare against them whatever

you are able of, of power in the seeds of war,

by which you may terrify the enemies of Allah,

and your enemies, and others beside them,

whom you know and whom Allah knows,

and whatever you spend in the cause of Allah

will be paid back and you will not be wronged, right?

So people use the verse of the sword.

You know, look, they're saying prepare for war

and enemies, right?

But this is verse number 60,

and this is chapter number eight.

If the rest, if they read verse number 61, it says,

and if they incline towards peace,

that incline towards it and rely upon Allah,

and Allah is indeed all hearing, all knowing.

So what is it telling you?

Is somebody attacking you and driving you out of your houses

and killing your women and children?

Yes, defend yourself, prepare yourself.

Don't turn to other cheekers.

They're not going to ever let you live.

But if they want peace and don't fight them,

then incline towards peace,

because that's what Allah wants is for you to have peace.

So what do they do?

They read one verse and they leave the other one

on context and on the front.

And I mean, if we were to do the same thing with the Bible,

that's what I'm saying.

If you want to be fair about it,

then you can see, let's see.

Now, therefore kill every,

and this is in the chapter called Numbers,

chapter 31 verse 17.

Now therefore kill every male amongst the little ones

and kill every woman who has known a man intimately,

but keep alive the young virgins,

young girls for yourselves, who have not known a man.

Killing massacring three men and every woman

that's been with a man but keeping the virgins

to where you gang rape amongst an army, right?

Again, there's context.

I'm not saying that every Christian belief,

but I'm saying is,

if you're going to cherry pick like that,

we could do it all day long too.

But what benefit is that?

And that's how a lot of these debates go.

Exactly.

And that's why they're useless.

Like, look, if you want to educate yourself,

you really want to discuss something

on more than willing.

But if you're just out there trying to promote your Patreon

and look, I don't get paid for this.

Like, we are here on our own dime.

You work a regular job.

You work a regular job,

a work in quality and regulatory as a consultant

for companies that are getting their ISO,

certification and so on.

I don't have a Patreon.

Our channel is not monetized.

We have monetization on just to block ads,

but our videos are not monetized.

We have 1.3, 1.4 million subs.

We have shorts that have like 30, 40 million views.

You could be mega millions.

We could be literally making millions every year,

but we don't make a dime.

Why?

Because we're not doing this for money.

We're not trying to promote ads that have things

that are not good for the society that we're out there.

We're here to spread a good message

that, look, you can be the best version of yourself.

You can change your life.

You can better your life.

You can have that one-on-one relationship with God

that we call to heed, that belief in one God.

You can be on the path of the prophets,

like Abraham and Moses and Jesus

and Muhammad peace be upon all of them.

We love all of them.

We follow all of them.

That's what we're about.

All these guys that want to debate and stuff,

all of them are out there.

Oh, if you become a super chat

and I'll answer your question.

Oh, donate to my Patreon because they're all about money.

What are you gonna do with that money?

You know you're lying.

You know you're just trying to cause conflict.

You know, when you see somebody on a stream

eating the paran, like what's the point?

Yeah.

Or you're an eating on one day.

For a burning one, right?

Like what are you promoting?

I would even put the Bible on the floor on a respect.

As a Muslim, we don't put the Bible on the floor.

Not the Torah, not the Old Testament, not the Tanakh,

not Jewish scriptures, not Christian scriptures,

not Hindu scriptures.

We treat them with respect.

Even if we don't necessarily believe it's the Word of God,

but we do believe that somebody who's a Christian

believes in it, somebody who's a Jew believes in it.

Somebody who's a Hindu believes in it

so out of respect for them,

we don't cause that kind of thing.

You will never see a Muslim mocking Jesus

or mocking Moses or burning pictures of them.

Never.

Why?

Because that just causes conflict.

We would never do that.

And at the same time, right now,

you have people that are running for Congress,

people that are running for Senate,

people that are elected officials, burning Quran,

having Quran burnings and trying to instigate

that if a Muslim did something like that,

it would be like World War eight or something, right?

But it's all right.

Because like you just spoke with Sunny and them,

people like that are becoming Muslim every day,

even with all the bad publicity and all the media

and all that against us, Islam is still growing.

Yeah, they're really demonizing you guys.

They're demonizing Sharia law.

The same thing, that's another funny thing, right?

Sharia law.

The funny thing is that just means law law.

Because the word Sharia means law.

Oh, really?

Like Sharia is not like a, you know, like a,

like even like the American law in Arabic

would be called Sharia, right?

The American Sharia, right?

And you know, when you talk like,

let me show you something, right?

This is the Bible, right?

I mean, they talk about apostasy laws, right?

But if I was to open up the Bible,

and this is the Old Testament,

so this is something that according to Christians and Jews

were the laws of God at a time, right?

You will find things that

everything they criticize Sharia for, you will find here, right?

And I'll show it right now.

This is a Deuteronomy chapter 13 verse six.

This is if your brother or the son of your mother

or the son of your daughter

or your wife of your wife of your bosom

or the friend of whom is it of your own soul,

secretly entices you saying,

let's go serve another God, meaning the apostate, right?

Then what does it say?

Do you do not pity them?

You do not conceal them.

You shall not consent to them or listen to them.

Your eyes shall not pity them.

You shall not spare them or conceal them.

But you should surely kill them,

unalive them in case you want to edit this.

You know, you want to unalive them

and your hand will be the first against them

and put them to death.

For afterwards, the hand of all of the people,

you shall stone them with stones until he dies, right?

The apostasy laws are in the Bible, right?

I mean, have you ever heard this?

I never knew that.

I knew it was in the Quran, but not the Bible, actually.

Exactly.

And the funny thing is, that's not in the Quran.

Oh, it's not?

It's not what they always talk about.

It is not, there is no verse in the Quran

that says you kill an apostate.

Really?

Right?

There are Ahadith, but it's not in the Quran.

But everybody thinks it is because this is the media frenzy,

but it's actually in the Bible.

Wow.

Wow, the verse in front of me.

That's not actually not.

Now, let me show you a couple more, right?

Which, I mean, I don't even know how people sleep

with looking at this, right?

This is in 1 Samuel 153, right?

I'm giving you chapter and verse, it's not,

it's not like, trust me, bro, or do you have a word for it?

It says, now go and attack Emulik.

And again, this is according to the people of the Jewish faith,

this is God, Moses, according to the people of the Christian faith,

who believe Jesus is God, if that's what they believe,

then this is Jesus ordering this to the people of Israel.

Go and attack Emulik and utterly destroy all that they have

and do not spare them, but kill, unalive, both man and woman,

infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey,

killing infants.

I mean, like imagine if that verse was in the Quran, right?

Women covering up is in the Bible.

Is it?

Yes, yes, I got you, bro, man.

This is nuts to me.

See, this is what I'm glad you brought me.

Woman covering up.

Yeah.

In the New Testament, by the way, it's not even the Old Testament, right?

Like this is first Corinthians chapter 11, verse 5.

But every woman who praise or prophesizes

with her head uncovered dishonors ahead.

For it is one and the same as if her head were to be shaved.

For if a woman is not covered, let her be shorn.

But if it's shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved,

let her be covered.

A woman cannot pray or prophesy without not just her body,

but even her head or whole self covered.

And if it's not according to the Bible, her head should be shaved.

Wow.

I it's, right?

So, you know, a woman is supposed to be silent

and according to the Bible, not supposed to.

This is right here in the same chapter.

First Corinthians chapter 14 verse 34.

I keep the receipts, yes.

Let your women keep silent in churches.

For they are not permitted to speak,

but they are to be submissive as a law also says.

And if they want to learn something,

let them ask their own husbands at home

for it's shameful for a woman to speak in church.

This man brought the receipts.

I can't even.

Brother receipts, bro.

I can't even argue with him.

I mean, you know, homosexuals being put to death,

that's in the Bible, right?

In the New Testament and the Old Testament, you know,

look, I'm going to show you something that's,

you'll be shocked, you know, I was shocked.

This is in the Bible.

This is detronomy again.

Chapter 22 gives a lot of these, but this is verse 28.

If a man finds a young woman who's a virgin,

who's not be thrawned and he seizes her by force

and lays with her, so he grapes her.

Right?

They are found out.

Then the man who lay with her shall give to the young woman's father

50 shekels of silver.

So if you by force, a young woman,

virgin, not be thrawned.

What do you have to do?

Just give 50 shekels of silver.

And she shall be his wife because he has humbled her

and he shall not be permitted to divorce her all his days.

No way.

What?

Can't believe that.

Read it.

Where was it?

It's right there.

That's the yellow one.

Yeah.

Find the young woman here with a virgin, who's not be thrawned and he seizes.

Wow.

Holy crap.

Right?

He looked at the father.

And again, I don't believe all Christians believe this.

I can't, I'm, I don't believe all Jews believe this,

but it is in the scripture.

Yeah, and, and, and if people want to misrepresent Islam,

which is not even like nothing like that's in the Quran.

I'll give you a Quran as a gift today.

You know, check it out.

But I did want to read the Quran and the Bible this year, actually.

Excellent.

I'll do that.

I'll give you both.

So it's got the books.

Yeah, I've got, I've got a, I've got a library.

You know, so, um, you know, people talk about cutting hands, right?

Um, you know, let me, let me show you a verse about cutting hands on the Bible.

Right?

This is a Sharia law cutting hands in the Sharia in this, in the laws of Islam.

You don't cut hands just out of random, right?

If somebody is poor and they still, you don't cut their hands,

somebody is stealing something small that's less than one fourth of a golden art,

meaning it's not grand theft.

They don't cut their hands, you know, if somebody's a child, somebody's insane,

somebody's got to, you know, all those same thing.

But if somebody's just out there trying to rob you and, and, and take major things

from you, then you want to put such a law that it prevents that from happening.

But in the Bible, same chapter, it says, if two men fight together,

and the wife of one of them draws near to rescue her husband,

and the hand of the attack, by, by, from the hand of the attacking one attacking him,

puts her hand out and seizes the man by the genitals.

You shall cut off her hand and your eye should not pity her.

Why?

So, so it's two-minute fighting.

Yeah.

Like I said, you and somebody gets into a fight.

And your wife sees that a man's attacking you.

To try to protect you, she tries to grab the guys, you know, you cut off her hand.

Wow.

Just for protecting her husband.

I do.

Right?

I mean, cutting hands in the death penalty is all over the Bible, right?

And, and I mean, for homosexuality, I mean, obviously it's there in Leviticus.

You know, people talk about this today, but nobody wants to bring it up as a reality.

Because they need more church members.

Exactly.

A lot of good people these days.

Even in the New Testament, in Romans, it's right there for homosexuality.

And I'll read, just people don't be like, old Testament is the New Testament, right?

This is in Romans chapter 1 in the verse 27.

Likewise, men leaving the natural use for women burned with their lust for one another,

men with men committing that which is shameful and receiving in themselves the penalty of the error.

And then in the, and the 32nd verse, it is, what is the penalty?

Those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only to do the same, but those who approve of it.

Anybody who supports LGBT rights according to the Bible.

And again, I'm not saying this is my view.

I'm not saying this is your view.

I'm not saying this is the view of this podcast.

Just don't want to get canceled.

But the verses are there.

So I mean, like, if you're going to criticize Islam for something that is not in the Quran,

then at least go and read other scriptures so that you can give up a fair answer.

Absolutely.

We'll share it.

Thanks for sharing your story, man.

Thanks for sharing the story.

Appreciate all that.

Excited for the debate.

Anything else you want to close off with here?

No, I really appreciate the time.

Appreciate your good listening skills and everybody who's watching.

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