She set the table, she wrote the songs: The Filipina turning heritage, food, and music into one unforgettable experience

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So she's got black hair or she's got brown skin right in the olden days. You wouldn't I don't have social media. You wouldn't you wouldn't know what my gender is if we're talking

why email yeah for sure this is this is perhaps you've got like the credentials lined up all of the proposals are amazing that

impeccable right. But we come on a video chat and it's like oh.

I'm wrong. They're so pretty where are you from.

I had a lot of questions heading into the interview with the base guest for one what exactly is he not be

ready. He now be brave for the private. Is it a dinner a bit. Is it a music act. Is it a cultural advocacy brand.

The answer apparently is yes to all of the above. There's Philip in the food. There are cocktails carefully paired ones.

There's live original music songs written about Maryamah Keeling and Philomino identity.

And in the same room you might find a microplastics researcher sitting next to a call center agent sitting next to a politician.

This is slot bubbles and tech at the end welcome to our Women's Month series. Our guest today is Pat Vilia Seran.

The founder of Hina Beater Day. She is a macro economist, a mentor to founders, a lyricist and a mom of three.

Yes, it turns out Hina be really is meant to denote reading. And Pat's pitch is that this brand weaves all those things together.

Good cocktails, music and Philomino heritage storytelling into one experience.

I'm Pat Vilia Seran. I'm the founder of Hina Beater Day. I do have a nutrition wellness brand in the Philippines.

And one of my friends, a good friend of mine, the co-creator for Hina Beater Day, James Harris, he runs this cocktail

events company in the UK. And we just got thinking, one day of what if we could bring in the food that we're making for this local brand that I do have.

And then make that into an experience, holistic experience. And then he started helping out with the cocktails aspect of it because cocktails is an amazing, amazing art and science of this.

Because if you've done chemistry before, it's like the oil and water and insanity of how that's done in and as someone who cooks that that just sparks your creativity.

And so when we put the concept, it was just that at the very beginning to just have a very cool and safe space for people to authentically, authentically hang out.

Because I feel like, especially not only in the Philippines, but all over the world, wherein there's a lot of negativity already out there.

And we just wanted to curate a space where everyone just is comfortable.

And everyone is just, that in as a human being. Just like right now, we're talking right now about any kind of pretenses, any kind of like, what's your political, where are you in this spectrum?

Before I judge you, we are humans first.

We wanted to create a space where everyone is welcome to explore everything that they have within them.

If we see an accountant, right, usually, usually what happens is, yeah, you're just an accountant, just be good with numbers.

Anything else would be kind of number one, that's just a hobby, but just just be good with numbers.

This is your one lane, pick it, stay in that lane.

Exactly. Anything else outside of that, that's not acceptable.

I can't comprehend you having multiple hobbies, right?

But what we have learned, especially with my co-creator, because I'm doing multiple different ventures.

I'm a macroeconomist, I do ripouts, and I do mentor CEOs and founders.

That's modality in different aspects of the brain, different sides of intelligence, right?

And especially with my co-creator, he's a lead-gitterist and musician-amazing composer, right?

And producer.

So for you to, if he's Jessica, if we are just saying in our lanes,

then this art wouldn't be created, bubbles.

This community wouldn't be created, and so he not be privy.

It started from just, you know what, let's make food, let's make cocktails.

It's going to be fun, right?

But then it's evolved into this amazing, amazing community, where everyone is welcome to explore who they are.

And if you don't mind, I don't want to dive into, like, the Filipino heritage aspect of Hinabi as well,

because one of the biggest inspiration, one of the main, main inspirations is the Sarizal.

He was a bilingual person, he did poetry, he did science, he was an author,

he was doing all these things, and he was able to be that human being

without people trying to box him in, into a category.

If he did not push through and through his creative kind of endeavors,

he would not have built that book in that redefines our independence as a country.

And also, the other thing that we took from Resolve bubbles was that unique aspect of positivity and light.

And I would always put this online email signature.

That's how we are at Nami, I would always say audaciously positive hats.

Because like with Resolve, if he could imagine, he grew up like 300 years,

bubble of being part of a Spanish colony, right, the Philippines.

But he grew up with probably five, seven different kinds of like grandparents at that point.

He grew up, right?

Indios are secondary human beings here.

In this reality, you are not even a priority.

You just exist what to start someone else's purpose.

He grew up like that bubbles, but as a kid, he was bold enough to ask the question,

but why?

And is there really something that we deserve?

Because he had that instinct, he's seeing the farmers and his parents land experiences.

He's seeing this.

And there's a little bit of a not only internal rage, right?

But this openness and questioning like, is this all that we are?

Right.

Is this all that we're meant to be?

But I don't think that is the case because I can study.

He was one, he was one of the most intelligent students in class.

That's why he was able to be brought in different colleges outside of the Philippines.

Then he went outside the Philippines.

He was also one of the most intelligent human beings in there, right?

But the beauty bubbles of his approach, this is where he not be privileged like

character values and ethos lie in, right?

It is, he didn't go there, right?

In France, multiple different countries.

And just accused every single white person.

He was just himself.

And he made friends with everyone.

And what happens with that bubble, what happened was that

all of his classmates, his professors,

was started asking the question.

He didn't force them to.

He didn't force.

He was just genuinely a really good human being.

And a very amazing, warm Filipino at that.

That's just our culture, right?

That's just our culture.

And the people started asking the question.

Number one, Rizal is a pretty cool guy.

He's a pretty cool dude.

Why is no one caring that his mum was imprisoned?

That's how the quiet revolution started.

And so as Hinabi, even though we do storytelling around the critical

aspects of our history, it's not focus on the pain.

It's not just focus on the pain.

Our songs are not just focused on the pain.

Our songs are also our songs and our

events, our storytelling are also focus on

this open-ended question of like, hey,

New Age Filipino, what can we do on our space?

Whether you're a teacher, whether you're a call center manager,

a call center agent.

It doesn't matter how small, how big you think you're impacted, right?

I love that you beautifully

explained the history or the beginnings of Hinabi Prevee.

You've gone to different countries in different places and you've absorbed and assimilated

yourself in those cultures.

In the various cultures and

traditions of these countries.

But you've still chosen to

root yourself in Filipino and our Filipino roots,

which makes, I mean, Hinabi means weaving.

You have weaved through different things that our culture loves.

Food and then down music.

With this transition, how did you decide you and your business partner?

How did you decide to go from food?

Cocktail events.

Oh, let's do music.

I also work in the innovation industry and so my mind definitely works very

different than traditional sense of it and when you talk about innovation,

it's always about, let me also kind of like,

bring that into Filipino culture.

When you talk about innovation in the classy aspect of it,

it's about thinking out of the box and providing solutions that is usually

unheard of and adding more value to what's existing in the market.

When you're in Filipino, you find ways.

You freaking find ways.

When there's no, when there's no water,

you got to pull it from somewhere else, right?

When there's no foods, you got to pull it from somewhere else.

When there's no electricity, we got to figure it out, right?

And we figure it out through the essence of,

with a sense of smiles and laughter too.

And so for me, it became natural,

the transition in terms of like,

but if we put music in it, we can write our own music,

wouldn't it be a much more enriching experience, right?

That it was a very natural transition.

My co-creator, he, again, he's very passionate about music.

And so it was a transition of like,

but if you do this music and if you do this lies,

on the other hand, in my ends, I'm such a nerd.

And so I had to study the behavioral science

of experiences and there is, that's why for Hinabi,

it's a balance of like the arts and sciences of it.

The experience of it, there's liminal spaces.

There is magic that happens.

And magic, that is intentionally crafted bubbles.

You go in there, it feels simple.

You go in there, but the experience itself,

the program itself,

is studied to the point from entry to your exit points.

And so for us, it was a natural transition,

but that also brings us to back to that conversation

of if we had just stuck to what we know is the one lane,

it wouldn't have formed into this award winning,

kind of like experience.

And very proud to say, again,

the most innovative cultural experience in the Philippines

for 2025.

So it wouldn't have come about as that

if we had just stuck into our lanes.

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I was listening through your first album,

but before that, I heard you say experience,

and you have described, you know,

be privy as a sixth sense experience.

What does that actually look and feel like?

And why is it important to go beyond the conventional

or to stay in your lane?

This is a new era for me learning about cocktails.

And again, just absolutely fascinated with the mechanics of it.

Like Michael Crater, one time he gave me this recipe

of the cocktail pairings.

That should match the food that we wanted to make.

And was so, as a nerd, I was so flabbergasted.

About the fact that even the grounds,

bubbles of the ice is computed.

There's a science behind it.

There's a freaking science.

Like I could like, what?

I thought that we could just drink it.

And then that's a shake.

And shake the thing and like make it fancy and do the dance.

But no, it wasn't.

And it's easy, right?

But that's the purpose, really, of Hinabi events.

The more that you are exposed to number one,

different cultures, but number two different types of people.

Whether you're a Paul, I've been talking about this in our socials.

Whether you're a politician or a celebrity,

doesn't matter.

Or you're a teacher call center agent.

Because like we are a massive community of call center agents

in the Philippines, right?

And they're amazing.

They're amazing.

Very talented people, right?

We're a teacher, you're a scientist.

One of one in one of our events,

we even have like a, I think he was a researcher for micropostics.

Right?

Oh, wow.

It's just a concoction of the diversity of people you meet.

It allows you to number one be, or just,

I feel like we're just rebels at this point,

rebels to not just stay in your lane.

Because if you're just exposed to people in,

let's just say the music industry, what happens?

Or if you're a teacher, you're just exposed to teachers.

I just had a conversation with a teacher in United States,

just an hour before this.

And he told me, again, we've been kind of exposing the platform

to multiple different communities.

And he told me, Pat, that's a very interesting platform.

Because again, I resonate with that.

Because as a teacher myself,

if I'm only exposed to the academia,

and the way old professors would teach,

I wouldn't know what is the more effective way

of teaching for the new age,

or for the new generation of students nowadays.

So for Hinabi, right?

If you're exposed to a different kind of problem solving,

what does that do to your brain?

It gives you different ways of solving a problem.

And also that allows you to put yourself

in a more humble position in a way that you know what?

The world is not just about, it's not about me.

I am a part of this world.

And that's why, again, I might jump in

into the music here in their bubbles,

but in one of the songs,

and especially in the first volume of the album,

it was about a co-inariito para suyo,

which is, I am here for you.

It talks about, I am part of nature,

and I'm part of this ecosystem,

and part of this community.

Back to the music,

because I've listened to your, to volume one.

Oh, yeah.

It was really, it was, it was really, really good.

I mean, I don't, I rarely listen to new music

as a gen excerpt, because,

I'm sure that I retain the songs

with the music, and I enjoy it.

But yeah, the songs that you put out,

and you mentioned earlier that you have integrated these songs

in this first album, or this first volume during your events.

Yeah.

Is that correct?

Is that correct?

And how was the, how was the, how was the response of the community

that, that goal to your events?

I was very much inspired,

because this is a very in-depth kind of research

about Maria McKeeling,

and so it's very much nature inspired,

nature inspired, and who I am in aspect of nature.

And so when I was writing the music,

that was my core purpose,

and they're very much inspired around that.

However, what, not necessarily,

fills my heart with joy.

Absolute joy, comments like your spubbles,

because once you put your arts out there,

you could not control how other people would react.

It's up onto it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How you interpret the music is yours.

How you interpret the lyrics,

how that touches you is yours.

And to give you one example,

actually I could give you two,

one of the songs I personally wrote this,

it's called Pusumatata,

I literally wrote this for my mom,

literally every single word was for her.

Yes.

And I, yes, yes.

But before that, because we had to do rehearsals,

we had to do rehearsals for events,

and we had this one,

junior waiter in training,

and he listened to the Pusumatata song

for the first time.

And it broke my heart,

because he actually cried,

and he was like,

Miss Pat, I just remember my mom,

I just remember my mom,

and we organically launched the first album,

but surprisingly,

we trended in three countries,

like Philippines, United Kingdom,

and United States.

And we are now pretty good.

It's like an organic launch.

We even saw a TikToks

of, I think, one of the most viral TikToks of Pusumatata

was of an OFW mom,

and she was singing this song,

because she resonated like,

as a mom,

I'm doing all of these sacrifice,

and I'm doing this for the love of children.

Of the children, yeah.

Exactly.

Oh, that's so sweet.

I didn't know that.

That's a great story.

And it took to have for one of the songs

in the album that I listened to.

That's great.

So you are on a mission to reframe

Philippine heritage,

or Philippine heritage globally,

and not through struggle,

but through strengths, resilience, and hope.

Where did that intentionality come from?

I have been in my work, really,

whether that is in my firms,

or the companies that I do build,

because as a tiny Filipina,

I've experienced this firsthand,

you know, I've been working for a long time.

I don't want to say a long,

because that's been a show on my age,

but I've been working for a long time,

and I've seen this,

you know, not only as a woman,

but like,

someone you see, right?

So she's got black hair,

or she's got brown skin, right?

So all of the biases that you would ever have asked for,

I have freaking experienced.

But yeah, going back,

I have experienced all of the types of discrimination,

whether that's in business,

in boardroom conversations,

and even though you know,

and you know this is Filipinos, right?

Even though we know that we might be technically better, right?

But when people see any bubbles,

the first thing is,

even for the people sometimes,

sometimes it's still here,

2026, the bias, right?

People that I would hire,

these are supposed to be my staff,

coming in from outside the different kinds of places

all over the world.

You know what?

On the first meeting,

they would ask me,

bubbles and, oh,

hi Pat, like, there's an, oh, like, oh.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

I was the one doing the interview.

I was, I was, and I would say,

wow.

Where are you from?

That's so great then.

Right?

Where are we?

With that kind of like,

you know what the intention is?

You know what the intention is?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But that is a first person,

kind of like the first instinct.

Actually, that's one of the reasons

where I had to kind of clip my name into Pat's

because if, in the olden days,

you wouldn't, I don't have social media,

you wouldn't, you wouldn't know what my gender is.

If we're just talking via email,

yeah, for sure.

This is, this is Pat's.

You've got the, the credentials lined up.

All of the proposals are amazing.

Impeccable, right?

But we come on a video chat and it's like,

oh, where are you from?

There's a pretty, where are you from?

My staff member right now in one of my teams

is coming in from a Nigeria and I told him one thing.

I tell my teams this.

It doesn't matter whether you're coming in from Harvard

or it doesn't matter with all of these things.

But number one, are you a good person

and the number two?

Can you learn and grow?

Because I believe that any skill set could be learned

for as long as you have like an open mindset of like,

yes, I can put in the work and I can learn.

I can be coachable.

I can be teachable.

And so for Hinabi, that that ethos and that core value

is just extended into that.

Correct.

Yeah, wow.

Imagine having that, that kind of an experience,

you know, at your level.

Yeah, yeah.

And that is what Hinabi prevails for

to just the more that we get exposed.

And it's like shock therapy.

The more that you get exposed to different kinds of skin colors

and you actually learn to remove that thing.

And we have a song about it.

Yeah, we do have a song about this.

We wrote about this.

So it's so pretty cool.

But if you're exposed to that,

what I'm saying is now your mental training is

and your subliminal bias is changed.

That's great.

That's great.

And that's wonderful.

It's a wonderful assessment on how people can change,

you know, their outlooks about certain people.

Whether it's a racial profiling or things like that.

That's wonderful.

That's wonderful.

And I think one of the things that I also want to make

mention during this interview,

because right now we are living in a world obsessed

with reach and virality.

And I see that you champion an anti-algorithm philosophy.

How do you sustain a movement built on depth

and community in today's attention economy?

I, I, there is still merit, you know,

I run a marketing agency.

There is still merits in strategizing about it.

And like thinking from all of these aspects

of of marketing really and region.

Social media is a really good platform

to share your story, right?

There is a purpose of this.

However, we do see that again,

it's the way that you use the platform.

And so for us,

my mention around creatives here is

if you're making your own art,

and I feel like there is now a formulaic approach

on how artists are putting their work out there, right?

And I feel like that

diminishes the initiative of other artists

to put their work out there.

Because now what's happening is

now you have to do the TikTok.

Now you have to look a certain way.

Now you have to

dress a certain way.

Now you have to do all these things.

Whatever generation bubbles, right?

Whether you're Gen Z Gen X,

whatever that generation is,

if that is our call to action to artists,

you would not experience these amazing,

amazing bodies of art.

And so for me, that's what one of the crater labs

is for we do this at Hinabi Prive as well.

But that is what we hone in

in terms of the community building aspect of it,

in teaching them that it's not just about

the formulaic aspect of marketing.

Focus on perfecting.

Now this is very perfecting.

We can't go there.

I know artists, they're very perfectionist

in essence, you know?

But it's not about

understanding the landscape of social media

to begin with your value as an artist

doesn't depend on your TikTok following.

It should never be that.

To focus on the artwork itself, focus

because art creation,

it's not a time-based kind of thing, bubbles.

You don't always need eight to five

locked in my art.

And that's it.

No, because it is literally extracting

the sole aspect of your being.

And so it's emotionally draining.

It is

massive vulnerability,

because it's part of you, right?

If you write a song, if you write something,

it is literally coming in from an essence of you,

an essence of your experience,

right?

There's vulnerability in it.

It takes courage, bubbles to share that to the world, right?

But if we're telling artists, whatever age that is,

it is, right?

I mean, I'm not now.

So, but we're still be able to put my art out there, right?

It would take courage.

And that's what we want to embody and empower

within our community.

That the courage is not about the text

of posting of it.

The courage is about,

hey,

you're okay to be vulnerable.

You're allowed to call yourself an artist.

And you're allowed to treat yourself seriously

as an artist.

But you have work to do.

I think I will be remiss if I don't, you know,

ask this question because we are,

yeah, we will be putting out this episode

during Women's Month.

And the song Beboat has

literally re-entered.

Re-entered.

The genre.

Yes, I love Beboat.

I love the stratosphere of our pop culture.

And as a Philippine, I'm a deep-at.

Yes.

Wow.

What what else can you share

to Philippine women?

Philippinas.

Yes.

Awesome.

Yes.

To let them know that there's space for them.

And there is,

if we, again,

if we diversify our ways and not just stay in one lane,

we will gain our flowers in due time.

I have three daughters and I'm a single mom.

And so women and creating a space for women

is very, very important for me.

And in my work, I have seen women

hit against each other.

And that breaks my heart because I feel like

if we had just come together and had just like

collaborated together, it's more powerful.

However, our societal trainees,

always about that societal training of like,

oh, she's not pretty enough.

This one is not great.

So what's the first instinct when somebody

pretty walks in and we,

that girl just spends more time doing makeup,

that you have 55 reasons to hate her.

So we don't talk to this person, right?

Right.

That's, that's an innate thing for women.

Not only in the Philippines, but everywhere else.

But my question is, and I want to build a space

for my children to where this hate doesn't exist.

If you see a woman, girl.

Yeah, be a girl's girl.

Women are very powerful.

Our creative aspects and the way that our brains are built

and wired to in terms of multitasking,

ADHD tendencies and all these things.

These are powerful, right?

Because we are built to bring a baby in toe,

right?

And then do something else.

It's, they're interesting in terms of creativity

because we have the capacity to process

multiple different things at once.

That's why we're gifted with higher empathy

because then we could understand what this specific event means

and what can I take out of it.

And so this is actually bubbles.

This is an amazing era literally for women

because then you can top into your own internal self.

And you know what?

I'm good at talking to people.

I could do a podcast.

While working from home, right?

Because technology is here.

It's technology is amazing.

Or I could, I could create like stickers.

Right.

And I could still take care of my kids.

They could do this and I could do that.

So that's my, that is my open invitation.

I don't know if it's wisdom,

but that is an open invitation that as a woman,

you get, you understand your capacity

to be creative and double down on it.

Because there's technology right now.

Nobody is stopping you from doing this.

Nobody, nobody is stopping you from doing this.

Outside of, you know, core belief systems

that within themselves, you know,

in foster syndrome, you know, no, we're here.

We're here.

We can be.

We can be this.

And again, I'm on my mom.

So I'm going to look at that from that perspective.

And I don't, I'm not perfect as a parents.

There are days where I'm just working

and I can't be there for my kids.

But the moment that my kid comes to me and says,

Mom, I like this song.

I love that when you, you know, do this.

And I love, I love seeing you in this.

Oh, that's just that makes my entire year, you know?

What's next for Hinabi Privy?

I believe that you, you had a very great year,

2025.

What's next for your, for your group

and for your organization for twin, twin six?

2026 says I feel like it's an amazing, amazing year

for Hinabi Privy because we're going to be launching

the volume two album for Hinabi.

And it's a massive collaborative project

with my co-creator.

Amazing genius of a musician, James Harris,

aside from making insane cocktail recipes.

And he's impeccable as an artist.

The songs are going to be interesting

because it's a mix of like pop rock ballads.

But then as of Filipina, you know,

there's undertones around the connectedness

around Filipino heritage and all of these stories.

But when you hear the songs, you don't assume

that they're telling a historical aspect.

More events happening for Hinabi, not only in the Philippines,

but also in the country.

Our single is coming out this March, maybe on the day

that you guys are releasing this podcast.

Wow, yeah, that's not certain.

Diffiness.

Yeah, so on the time exactly on the day.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

And with that, thank you so much, Pat,

for taking the time to talk to us about Hinabi Privy

and all that he's been doing.

Again, from Filipina to a Filipina Baden,

thank you, thank you very much for gracing us with your presence

and with your knowledge.

And I hope we can talk to you again soon.

And that was Pat's release run of Hinabi Privy.

I'll be honest, going into this interview,

I wasn't sure what to make of Hinabi Privy.

The concept is big, the language around it can get lofty,

and it's easy to be skeptical of anything

that calls itself a cultural movement

before it's had time to prove it.

But then, Pat talked about the waiter in training

who cried during rehearsal because a song reminded him of his mom.

And I thought, okay, something real is happening here.

What I come to believe is that she is genuinely trying to build something meaningful

and she is doing it as a Filipina CEO, a single mom,

a macroeconomist, and now a lyricist all at once.

That part doesn't need a bigger claim to be impressive.

If you're curious, their origin archivents are coming to Manila

the United Kingdom and New York this year.

Volume 2 of the album is also on the way.

If you want to start somewhere, listen to Puso Patata.

See how that lands for you.

Many thanks to Pat being the Serhat for gazing us with her insights for the episode.

Jembo now is our odd engineer.

Our producer is Trisha Ahindul.

If this episode connected with you, feel free to share it with your family and friends.

And hey, we might see each other at a Hinami Privy event soon.

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and on Tech Talk at Bruha 23.

That's V-R-E-W-H-U-H-T-T-R.

Thank you for listening and until the next Puma Puma.

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