Sheriff Mark Lamb: “We’re Already in a Civil War… It’s Just Not What You Think” | DSH #1789

We're divided on race, religion, politics, social ideologies, political ideologies.

There's so much division and we have an active politicians and active media

continuing to divide Americans on those. And I don't think that back in those days

they had the media so national and so global as we do now, which is why I say

I think we're in a more dangerous place now. People will always say, do you think we'll have

a civil war and I said, we're already in it. Yeah, I guess when people ask they mean like

literally a civil war with guns. Well, I think if you continue to go down this road,

there are people that are passionate about their belief system. And clearly

somebody didn't like what Charlie said and Bill Charlie. Yeah.

Somebody got a present from, but it's not forget that the Democrats say and the media tried to

just forget about that. Yeah. They got it in his ear and then just short time later

somebody else tried it. Yeah. So like, these are really dangerous places to be in this country.

Okay, guys, in Phoenix, Amfest Day 3, final hour, we got Sheriff Mark Lam

in the building. Good to finally. Thanks for man. Thanks for having me. Yeah, first share

you're making a lot of noise. So I'm trying. Yeah, we got it right. Yeah, you're worth it.

You're doing a great job out of man. Thank you. What's the big fight these days for you? Look,

I still think the border is an issue. The reason why is I don't want people to forget about

what a problem that was under the previous administration. They've come in and fixed about

the fixes are executive orders. Right. And so if we don't codify these things in the law,

so that Congress becomes very important, Senate becomes very important to make sure that these

changes that President Trump has implemented are long-term change. Yeah. So I do worry about that.

If we lose the midterms and then say that the left winds president 28 will the board

go back to how it used to be? Absolutely. You think so? Because it worked for them.

You know, look at now they're defending a lot of people that are even criminals in this country.

They're defending them. I never thought I'd see them defend the indefensible way they have.

And then not only that, they're encouraging people to fight against ICE. And ICE is just doing

the job that Congress and Senate set forth when they establish the laws for immigration. So

I would hate to see it go back, but my guess is that's kind of the plan is put as many people

in use you can. Look at California. They count them as far as for the census on the congressional

districts. So yeah, I think they would go back to it. How bad was they when Biden was in

in order for you? It was awful. Yeah, look, I was on the news and I was trying to say it as much

as I could. And a lot of people think, oh, immigration, especially if you're from the west,

do you think maybe it's people from Mexico or from Guatemala or somewhere central South America?

The reality was they were coming from everywhere. Yeah. I mean, the majority of what we were

getting with a lot of Africans coming in, I went over to the San Diego area and there's a guy

there named Corey Go Tro who does a lot of stuff. And he said, in my time, I only had a couple people

from Mexico. Almost everybody was from China or Africa. Wow. And so like I tell people,

this was not a Hispanic thing. This was a global illegal migration into this country. And so,

yeah, it was it was not great. And look, now we're dealing with the unvetted people in this country.

We saw an Afghan guy who shot. Granted, he went through a little bit different process. Yep.

We have Minnesota where they've they've frotted billions of dollars, you know, in the Somali

communities. We've got a ton of people out there right now that came into this country unvetted.

And they don't love America. And that poses a danger. And we're starting to see some of that

kind of rear attendant. Yeah. And I know some of the jail specifically in Cali are overcrowded.

Yeah. So there's no solution. And even if like I have 12, I had 1500 beds, but I had about

8900 usable beds. Yeah. I couldn't even have illegal. I couldn't have iced detainees there unless

they've committed a state crime. Wow. So I couldn't have ice because I had a tax issue because my

jail was built on non-taxable bonds. Well, too much information for the crowd. But in the end,

I couldn't even help out ice. But even if I could, let's say I could, that was still I didn't

have enough. I didn't have enough bed space to really take on what a couple hundred people.

That's how much jails are. And so you've seen President Trump has gone out and built

Aligator Alcatraz, the Indy Speedway or whatever. He's come up with some very creative names for

him. But they've been good. Yeah. I haven't been to Alcatraz yet. Have you been there?

I know. Aligator. But I was down in that area. And I thought, man, I should go over an

alligator. I feel like that's a spot I want to see with my own eyes. It is out there in the middle

of the swamps though. So I drove through there. I went from Miami to Naples and all through that

area is where the alligator Alcatraz is shaping that one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Good luck. There's

the Gators everywhere. Now you're running for Congress, right? Yes, sir. I just like I didn't want

to. I for those who don't know, I was the sheriff for two terms in Penal County. So that was between

Phoenix and Tucson. I was there for eight years. And Senate came up and the border was the

number one issue. And I there's an old Danish saying that says he who has the ability has the

responsibility. I like that. And I felt that responsibility. I could I could protect my county from

let's always use the term. I could protect my herd from the wolves. Yeah. But if somebody

doesn't go hunt those wolves, they're going to multiply replenish and they're going to end up

taking over that they're going to end up taking it over. Yeah. And so I knew that we needed to do

something about it. And I had the ability to do it. And so I ran for the US Senate. I was unfortunate.

I didn't win. And sadly, you know, I look back now and it was a blessing. It was a blessing

from God that I didn't win. Everything happens for a reason. Everything happens for a reason.

Yeah. Look at Trump. He didn't win. And uh, but now we need a more than ever. I think you know what I'm

in. And I wanted to ride off into the sunset. You were ready to retire. I had to retire because I

couldn't run for both. So when I ran for Senate, I couldn't run for sheriff. I had to pick one. Got

it. And so I knew that on December 31st of 2024, I had to retire. So this year I've been

retired and I've been in the private sector and life's good. Yeah. And I'm spending time with my

family. And you know, honestly, I didn't have the media nipping at my heels. I didn't have

people who hate me just because, um, because I believe that we should secure a border. And it was

it was a nice change. Yeah. Well, you were sheriff during some of the toughest years. I know.

10 years end of BLM riots and all that. It was not easy. Not easy. And I just in the end,

I wanted to walk away from it, but I couldn't walk away from the arena. So the answer question

I never really answered. Yes, I'm running for the US Congress because I just couldn't run away from

it. I still think the border needs fixing. I think the economy obviously is hurting American families.

And I think we're trending in the right direction. I would like to be part of getting that economy

to where it's good. It's working for Americans again. And so I want to be part of it.

The solution and not just complain about it on the outside. Yeah. I still remember vividly,

like maybe two, three years ago, Tom Homan was giving a speech. I was at the Heritage Foundation

with some influencers. And I was moved to tears when he was talking about the border.

He tells the story about that. It tells us so well. Yeah, the kids. And it was just such a sad story.

But what was it like working with him? Oh, Tom's great. Because I think Americans are hungry. I know

you have a lot of people on your shows. And I love it because

Americans are hungry for authentic people. Real people. People that aren't afraid,

they're unapologetic about what they believe in. And Tom is one of those guys. Yeah, people hate

him for it. But a lot of people love him for it. And what I've found is even when people disagree

with me, if you're consistent and you stand up for what you believe, at least they respect.

Right. Right. You know, they may not agree with you, but they respect. Yeah.

When people are flip-flops, they respect it. No, then nobody respects that. And so

I found that Tom is one of those rare. He's not. He's one of those guys that Americans

are really attracted to because he's authentic. And he's unapologetic. And he says things the way

they are. And he loves this country. Yeah. And I think President Trump's the same way.

And maybe you don't agree with everything he does. But I will tell you, his heart is in the right

place and he's doing it because he wants to be a better country. I mean, he said he's going to

shut down the border. He did. He did. Yeah. I guess shut down. They did. And it didn't take

new legislation. No, it took a day or two. Like you got a new leadership. Yeah, literally

took a day. That's it. But it can take a day to reverse it back. Right. So this is why it's important.

Now it didn't take new legislation to fix it immediately, but it will take new

meant legislation to ensure that it doesn't get flip-flopped again. And so that's why I think

getting the right people into Congress to send is important. Absolutely. How did Charlie's

passing affect you? You know, my son went and worked for Charlie and worked from for over a year.

And he was the guy that stood right next to Charlie filming. Wow. He would either film the crowd

or he would film Charlie. And I brought him on to work with me. We'd do some YouTube stuff.

By the way, at Real American Sheriff, you want to check it out. But my son helps me out on the

YouTube. And he's really good at the digital stuff. And so he was very close to Charlie,

very close to the guys who worked with next to Charlie. I consider Charlie a friend. I mean,

we didn't hang out at his house. But Charlie was a very, played a very big role, not just in America,

but in Arizona. Like this was his backyard. And I think it hit us all pretty hard. For me,

as an American, it hit because I thought, and where are we getting as a country to where this is

now, we're going to kill people because you definitely don't like what they say. Yeah. And I

think that's a dangerous place to be for anybody who's a historian. If you want to go read a great

speech by Lincoln, it was in 1827. And he went to some place called the the the boys Lyceum,

which was in Springfield, Illinois. And he gave what's called the Lyceum address,

L-Y-C-E-U-M. For anybody who wants to go read, it's a phenomenal. But it talks about just what

the country was like then and how divided it was. And one of the things he said is he said,

look, I don't think the country will fail. I do not think the union will be dissolved. However,

it cannot continue divided. Either it will go all the way one way or all the way the other.

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And I think we're kind of in that same place again. We can't continue divided. We're going to have

to fix this and I don't want to see Charlie was trying to do that. Charlie was the guy. He was

the nice guy. He was the guy at the table having the conversation. Trust me, there's a lot of

Americans out there who would like to fix it a different one. And look, I'm one of those

guys that will protect freedom to the very end. And I don't want to fight anybody for it,

but you better believe I will if you try to take away my freedom. Yeah, he was going to campuses

and just having conversations. He was and not took him out. He was a he was a he was missed. He

was a one of a kind one of one. You know, look, we see a lot of these one of the kinds come along. He

was one of one. And what Charlie understood is I I may be one, but I am one. You know, I always say,

how many people stood in front of the tanks in Tiananmen Square? One guy went stood in front of

the tanks in Tiananmen Square and he changed a dynasty for many years. That's crazy.

And so you please anybody listening, don't discount what one person can do because we've seen

throughout history, Charlie Kirk, the guy who stood in front of the tanks in Tiananmen Square,

George Washington, so many people that were like, they were those ones. Yeah, especially in a

digital era like now, where everyone has a voice, right? You could stand up. Do you feel like we're

the most divided we've ever been like in your lifetime? In my lifetime, time certainly. Maybe,

I think I personally think we're probably more divided than what they were during the Civil War.

Wow. What a story. You know, the Civil Wars issue was really a slavery. It was part of it,

but the real, the bigger issue that the schools don't teach anymore, it was about states rights.

And the southern states were saying, you can't, we don't want the federal government to tell us

what it is. And so there became a clash. That was a difference of very narrow philosophies.

We're divided on race, religion, politics, social ideologies, political ideologies.

Yeah. There's so much division and we have an active politicians and active media continuing

to divide Americans on those. And I don't think that back in those days, they had the media so

national and so global as we do now, which is why I say, I think we're in a more dangerous place now.

People will always say, do you think we'll have a Civil War? And I said, we're already in it.

Wow. It's just civil right now. And the last thing you want is for it to not be civil.

Yeah. Yeah. I guess when people ask, they mean like literally a Civil War with guns,

but well, I think if you continue to go down this road, there are people that are passionate about

their belief system. And clearly somebody didn't like what Charlie said and killed Charlie.

Somebody shot at President Trump. Let's not forget that. The Democrats and the media tried to

just forget about that. They shot him in his ear. And then just short time later,

somebody else tried to kill. Yeah. So like, these are really dangerous places to be in this

country area. And I think that we have got to, and I think you need voices that are,

we talked about it, that are consistent, whether you agree with them or not, but you also need

voices that are, I'm still a God-fearing man. I believe we're all children of God. And I think that

everybody has a place on this earth. And I think that we've got to find some more of connection

as Americans and as children of God. And I think I hope to maybe bring some of that. But at the same

time, common sense and, and approaches that, that really built this country. There's so much

distrust right now. Like you said, a lot of division, I think people don't trust the police as much.

You probably experienced that. Well, it's why I ran for sheriff. Oh, yeah. I saw that under Obama.

I thought Obama was very destructive to this country's relationships between the police and law

and the citizens. Well, every time they had mental little things, they would, this is about,

because right during Obama's time is when body cameras started coming out. So then what he started

doing is weighing in on body cam videos, which I do too. I'm on my YouTube. He was weighing in on

a very dangerous way. Shed, you know, dividing people, making them angry with police. And they really

started to have, we started to see a lot of legal movements against our profession. And I think

that was where we started to really see a lot of damage be done. Interesting. So do you think

body cam videos were a net positive to society overall? Tough question. I think they were a net

positive for law enforcement. And I think they thought it was going to be the opposite. I think

the ACLU probably rules the fact that they got body camera. Because now what it shows is how

difficult people are to deal with, how respectful they are to law enforcement. And now,

if you go in and say, this guy did something and then they pull up the body cam and they realized,

no, you were the one that was your fault. Right. And so I think the body cameras have been

bed good for our profession. But it is shown that people have really lost a lot of respect for our

law. Oh, yes. Now people just record you guys instantly. What did they get pulled over?

And they're instantly angry. Yeah. And they're instantly, I don't have to give you your idea,

or I don't have to do this or that. And frankly, all they have to do is say, here's my ID. And

you know, picture it. Here's your my ID. And give me your ticket or whatever. And I'll go on my way.

That's what I do. Now, like, what's the worst thing I can give you? Give you a ticket.

If I, if they catch me speeding, I'm like, yeah, please, let's just make this quick. Like,

you got me, you got me on the gun. I'm here. I mean, that's how most people are.

But then you got these people that are that immediately just want to fight with the police and

disrespectful. No, it's a whole, like, there's a whole section of the internet just for that.

Yeah. It's like, uh, forget the name of the chat audit the audit or something. Yeah. Yeah.

And we have those auditors come out. And the nice thing about being the sheriff is the auditors

typically have some level of, of, they respect that you are an elected official. So they, they view

your authority as being legit authority. Right. And so that's kind of nice. But also they came

out to the office and we're, yeah, they were always following our guys around. Oh, they were

following. Yeah, they tried, they show up on traffic stops. And, and frankly, I think they get far

too close. Yeah. And you know, it's a tough, it's a tough profession to be in. It's still an

honorable profession. Yeah. And I would encourage anybody that wants to, to, to really feel like you're

doing something. Go be a cop. Yeah. It is a great profession. And you will push yourself beyond

places you thought. And you're going to see things and you're going to be able to, I'm a big

person on stelicism. Yeah. I, I think that man, you know, controlling your emotions and,

and all of those things are extremely important. And I think that being a police officer,

you have to learn how to do a lot of that for sure. You see some crazy stuff. Oh, yeah. I've had

officer Tatum on. He's seen the headings. He's seen killings. Um, yeah, traumatizing things.

And the worst are what you see to children. Yeah. And this is one of the issues I had with the

border issues because all these unaccompanied minors were coming in and women were being traffic,

but children were being trapped. Wow. And they were putting being put into the hard labor

and sex straight here in this country. And I'm sorry. I'm not going to be for that. And I think

anybody who didn't understand that was happening with the border. You know, you share some of the

blame if that, if you were okay with the fact that women and children were being abused. And it

wasn't by, did, it wasn't by police. We treat, we treat these folks with care when we would run

into them. Yeah. It's the people that, uh, it's, it's the cartels who are abusing them in the

government who turned a blind eye. In many cases, the government turned them right back over to the

cartels. Wow. I was just going to bring up the cartels. It must have been very dangerous dealing

with our men. The cartels are dangerous. I mean, then they're, they're huge organizations. They

were, they make billions dollars a year. They're, they have way better weapons than we do in law

enforcement, which is why I think they should need to be declared terrorists organizations that

they are because then you can actually use the tools, the military as to actually stop them.

Right. But the average police officers are not going to be equipped enough to be able to fight

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me if they had those too. Man, I'll tell you, drones. We're years behind the eight ball on drones.

Really? You know, in one month, I think in back in April or something, there was

60,000 drone incursions across the southern border. So they're using a lot of... Oh yeah,

but they'd use it a lot to attack each other. But then right after the President Trump took office,

the cartels put out a green light saying that the cartels could use weaponized drones against

border patrol. Why? That was from the Rio Grande Valley sector in Texas, had that intel.

Why? And so we got to... I mean, look at what's happened in Ukraine where they're flying drones

into people and blowing people inside of buildings inside of vents. They're so advanced now. It's crazy.

Like, man, I'm not afraid of hardly anything snakes. I don't like snakes. But drones,

man, drones concern me in warfare because they could launch 200 drones at you and what are you going

to do? Yeah. And they're so small now. You won't need to see it. Small, huh? And you can... It doesn't

take much of a charge to hurt somebody. Or you can drop fentanyl. You can drop a bag of fentanyl

in a building. It'll fentanyl, right? I mean, so I'm concerned. How bad was the fentanyl issue to

underbite in the... Horrible. I look, Biden shares a lot of the blame. Fentanyl was going to be on

the rise no matter what. Yeah. I saw it back in 2018 to 2019. I saw it. And then nobody really

knew about it. I would go all over the country. I'd go to Wisconsin. I would talk to all these

people about fentanyl. And they wouldn't really... They didn't even hear of it. And then by 2020,

more and more people. And I was speaking in front of large crowds, 2021. By 2021, 22, which was right

in the height of Biden's administration, it was full force. And I think every family has been

affected. My family was affected by fentanyl. I had a son who got into drugs and was affected by

fentanyl. And so I think everybody's families have been affected by fentanyl. And or you know

somebody or you have a friend or something. And I think that I can't attribute all of that to

Biden. I'm not going to be the guy that says, yeah, let's just fall. He let a lot of it come in.

Yeah. And that allowed 70,000 plus Americans. Since 2020, 2020, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, so 5 years,

over 320,000 Americans died from fentanyl. Wow. Last year went down to 48,000. The numbers aren't

even finalized. But they had 80,000 drug deaths in America. Like what do we determine as a threat

to this country? If we don't, that, if that isn't one. Yeah. I've been saying for a long time,

we were conditioned as Americans to view terroristic threats as bombs going off or somebody walking

in and shooting a gun. Well, I'll tell you the weapon that they chose over the last several years

to kill Americans went totally under the radar. And that was fentanyl. Yeah. More covert,

but more effective in terms of that far more effective. That's part of the boats. You know,

like people don't like them bombing the boats. I'm totally okay with that. Yeah. Let me tell you

why because if somebody had a bomb on a boat and I lined up 100 Americans and I said, regardless

of their party. And I said, that bomb has a boat on it. Do you want the president to bomb it?

They'd be like, yeah, stop it. And that bomb may only hurt or kill thousands of Americans.

They estimate that every one of those bombs have enough fentanyl drugs on it to kill 25,000 Americans.

Holy crap. So this is far worse than what a bomb would be if they had a bomb on the boat. Yeah.

These truly are like President Trump recently declared them weapons of mass destruction.

Nothing has killed more Americans. No war, no nothing has killed more Americans, especially

civilians than fentanyl. Yeah. And those are deaths. There's a lot of people that are addicted to,

which you could say is destroying their lives as well. Yeah. And a lot of them, a lot of people are

have had drug issues. All right. And then they die from fentanyl. But there's a lot of kids

that took one pill, never used drugs before. Yeah. Thought they took a riddle and maybe

a Xanax friend gives it to him. And then it's laced with fentanyl. And it kills him. So these

are Poisonies. Like these are Poisonies from China from the cartels. There's a problem. Yeah.

Was Venezuelan issue when you were sheriff or is that a newer thing?

And I don't know how this would be. I've gotten to the point where I question all motives. So

I get the Venezuelan as a communist country and their shipping drugs here. Yeah. But I also,

there's always two sides to everything. So I don't know. What is what is it that's driving

the politics in the in this country to go after Venezuela? Right. Is it purely drugs?

Is it purely communism? It's not like they're on our doorstep, you know, with soldiers. Yeah.

So I don't know. Like I I support thwarting any threats to this country. But I just I don't know

all the facts of that. You know, I what I learned as a police officer and as a sheriff and as a deputy

is, there's always more to the story than you know. Yeah. And another thing I've always learned is

I may not know the truth, but I know what the government's telling you. Well said. Well said.

I mean, you got to be a little skeptical these days, man. You have to be a lot skeptical. Yeah.

Look, the people in power have the most gain from from global issues. You know, look at healthcare

right now. You know, that's a big topic right now. Obamacare and healthcare. But the problem is is

that the real path of fixing this is deregulation and allowing the free market to work and allowing

because once you allow that to happen, cost will have inevitably go down cost for pharmaceuticals

because people can't buy it. They're not going to sell it. Yeah. The reason they're selling it

for so much money is because the government subsidizing it. We got to get away from the government

solving our problems because they create problems. And then they come in and go, Hey, we got a

solution to that. Yeah. But they're the ones that create it. Usually their solutions create more

problems than they may. Then they solve. So I think the true answer. And this is kind of the guy

that this is what I hope to bring to DC is the true answer is let's get government out of our

lives. Hey, man. I don't think government should set our moral compass. I don't think government

should be doing all this. I think government is far too encroached far too much in the

into the marketplace. And I think that when you live in a free capitalist society,

the market has a way of fixing it and writing itself. But when government gets involved,

they jack it all up. And that's what we have now. And so what I would like to see is less government.

I think that this country and the American people want to see less government.

And I think you will see far and it takes the power away from them and it gives the power back

to we the people. Hey, you say that. You're going to win easily in my mind. Yeah. I mean,

like I and I don't even do it for the political reason. I do it because I am an American who wants

we the people to have the power back. Yeah. You're retired, man. You don't have to be doing this.

Oh, I could go. I'm making way more money. This is this is on no level. Does this make any sense when

you pencil it out other than patriotism? And if I don't, who will? What kind of man am I if I walk

away from the arena and let somebody else go in and fight to fight for me knowing that I was

very capable of going in and fighting the fight myself? As a man, I couldn't do it. I couldn't

walk away as an American. I couldn't walk away. And I think that we've got to have people in there

that are going to have the Americans best. American people's best interest in mind. You are my

support sheriff. Where people find you. You can come to marklam.us for the website. That's marklam.us.

You can donate. If you live in my district, you sign my petition. Doesn't matter. You can live

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