Side Stories: Only Files w/ Jena Friedman

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Love to kiss the man.

Oh, we were recording?

Oh, great.

Kiss the man.

I love to kiss the man.

You would.

You love kissing men.

And I know it.

Because we're on the road this weekend.

Indianapolis and Urbana, Illinois.

No, I don't like kissing men in Urbana.

I don't want to kiss men in Urbana.

Unless, of course, you bought the VIP ticket.

Yeah.

And we're going to change Urbana's name to Urbana.

Because we're going to be sucking tongues off of the dudes in your city.

This is a great intro.

I'm going to suck a tongue.

I'm going to suck a tongue again.

But you have to buy a ticket to Side Stories Live.

We have about 50 tickets left apparently.

So let's get those fuckers sold.

Let's have some fun.

And let's fucking suck some goddamn manmouth.

Yeah, we're going to suck some manmouth.

And we're here sucking manmouth.

Every week here on Side Stories.

I'm your host, Henry Zabrowski.

I'm sitting here with the filled with manmouth Ed Larson.

Whoa.

I know.

We're already going to get completely gotten complaints about the mouth noises.

Well, your noises of your, if you eating mouth with your mouth.

Yeah.

The whole show is mouth noises technically.

The show doesn't exist without mouth noises.

What is talking about mouth noises?

Exactly.

By the way, big news today.

And the, at the old Larson Rosinghouse.

Yes.

Our boys losing his balls today.

Or he's getting clipped.

A good relute.

He's done, dude.

I'm glad it's over.

Cut his balls already happened by this point.

Champs getting his balls removed too.

Everybody.

That means not a single man in this room is testicles.

That's right.

And it's really nice.

That's right, man.

I slowly mine years ago.

Hey, got to.

Anything to fucking cut down on some of the heat, my friend.

But you know who doesn't have to worry about getting rid of their balls.

I do want to do a bit of a follow up because I asked a question to the audience about ball torture.

Yes.

Because of this story we were talking about people that get their balls to us.

I believe this.

And I never got to it because I got a DOM that reached out and said, because I also didn't know,

because I was talking about CBT, which is cognitive behavioral therapy that I go through.

And then I saw this email that was like CBT.

And it was like, oh, what's this going to be about?

And then I clicked on it.

And it was all about how much kicking and tugging balls can take.

And then I realized, oh, CBT is also short for combined ball torture.

Cock and ball torture.

Cock and ball torture.

Yes.

So you should tell your therapist that he was going to, oh, you don't think that's my opener?

You don't think that's not what I'm leading with hardcore.

How many cocks and balls have been through here today?

It's funny that I'm Wikipedia.

There are like, make sure you want to click on the right CBT.

Oh, they're different.

They're different.

But basically this DOM came out and it said that they did research into how much you couldn't

torture somebody's balls.

And you can, apparently, it takes 110 pounds of pressure to rupture a testicle.

And a lot of times the girls either pull back or like whenever the DOM is going to do it,

thank you, thank you, Rob.

The Wikipedia for cock and ball torture does not cut back.

I do.

It is bizarre.

I have never seen generals on Wikipedia other than in this room.

In this room, I have seen generals on Wikipedia cons.

It's like, to me, in this room, Wikipedia is all generals.

This is like, I'm here now looking at the Wikipedia entry for the humbler, which is the

BDSM physical restraint device.

A cock and ball bondage toy used to restrict the movements of the submissive partner.

Oh, God.

Just get it off of here.

Get into Shalame.

He needs a little humbling.

He knows who knows.

I'm just looking through that guy's butthole like at the fucking telescope.

Let's take this back.

Wow.

So the DOM, I blown away by all those options and photos.

He really is.

Wow.

I think one would have done the trick.

There is.

We were talking about Rosa Parks before the show.

There's one.

There's literally one picture of Rosa Parks on her Wikipedia page.

There is.

I'm looking at it for tortured balls and dicks in a mosaic at the top of the article.

Yeah.

I will say that that one cock is as big as a bus seat.

I don't need any of this.

I don't need any of this.

So come back to it.

So the DOM was saying.

It's the problem with this now.

We were talking about like, why do you guys get their balls destroyed every single time they

do in these videos?

And largely she was saying it just takes a lot more strength than you think to kick at that

level of force in order to destroy the balls.

But then largely I had other DOM say, which I thought is interesting, said these guys

talk a big game a lot and they like to lead up and they're talking about.

Yeah.

But then more often than not, once they get to the advanced CBT, that's when the guys go,

say if we're safe, we're safe.

No, no, no, no, I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Oh, it's like right before drunk.

I guess the shit kicked out of them.

You're like, OK, you know what this is like.

You're a pussy.

You're a pussy.

You know, you can't even fight.

You're a pussy.

You can't fight.

Why are you fighting a guy?

Why are you fighting a guy?

I do think it's like that that they get really deep into it.

And then they just can't.

They're not ready for it.

Hmm.

CBT.

The 300 bucks an hour for my fucking CBT.

But I can at least I could sit afterwards.

I'm going to get it mixed with my THC.

And this really end my fucking fertility.

Also, big ups to body glide.

What's body glide?

Chubb rub.

Chubb rub.

Perfect guys.

Oh, really?

It's an anti-chafing stick.

Stick?

I want some.

Hmm.

That sounds great.

It's right there.

You can get a stray from China.

Wow.

China loves it.

We know what it is.

With China, it's not that like a big guy's slippery guy.

Oh.

Slippery guys.

That's what they like.

They really.

Speaking of which in Indianapolis, you can see us at the Slippery Noodle.

Will you?

Will you?

Will you?

I'm going to try to get Ed to go with me after the show over to the Slippery Noodle.

If you are the owner of that establishment, hold us in table.

Who?

Who?

Who?

Who?

There's a rigged Tony.

He's in a society of me.

Oh, whoa.

You got to go to the Slippery.

Oh, God.

We got to go.

I've never been.

Oh, wow.

Try to show me his penis.

Oh.

And you mean a Slippery Noodle?

That's funny.

That's happened at the Slippery Noodle.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

Big cover ups to talk about today.

Are you?

It's a, we're going to start with aliens.

I want to talk a little bit about this story.

Is that I, I was down on disclosure a couple of weeks ago.

You had it.

Well, it's because I believe truthfully that we're past the point of kneading government

disclosure.

I think that that's silly.

I think that that's why I'm anti-ed.

I know before I was kind of bummed about aliens and Trump and all that kind of stuff.

Honestly, what I'm more, I'm not bummed. I'm more just saying we don't need disclosure.

I mean, ever since the drones like 15 months ago, like I've lost interest personally.

Well, it's because the problem is is that we're going to get no answers.

Yeah. Any answer that they give you is going to be a fake answer.

There's no way they're going to give you a real answer. It's not going to happen.

So whatever it is, he says in a speech is going to be completely fake.

Also, he just doesn't understand words. Anything. No, and the guys around him,

I was just saying, so that big, you remember there was that all the Hullabaloo

for the, oh, disclosures coming, disclosures coming and then nothing.

Yeah. The reason why is because there was a massive pushback

from the generals that are supposed to be doing the disclosing.

Again, we're hitting into the world where their evangelical religious beliefs

will not let them talk about aliens because to them, it'd be a demon.

Oh, and that if it ought to be a demon,

and that the only thing that they know as a demon,

and if it was not a demon, oh, they're able to,

then God would have showed them directly.

But I'm not, then it was to be a demon.

Oh, so there's no, they don't believe in sky demons.

No, well, no, they, oh, they utterly believe in sky demons.

That's why they're afraid of them.

They're literally so afraid of the aliens that they don't want to talk about them

because they think they're, they think that they're Jesus' enemies.

Has anyone tried to like Jimmy the zipper in the back of Stephen Miller's head

and see what happens?

I would love to get ahold of that zipper.

I got a couple ideas for that fucking zipper.

I saw the news tossing around the words.

What was it?

Interdimensional beings.

Yeah.

They have no idea.

So the Pentagon is completely pulled back.

They're just pulled back.

They don't want to deal with it because they think it's icky.

It is much how like guys that want to fully investigate

homophobic, like crimes inside of the homosexual scenes in the 1970s

because they thought it was icky.

It's like the same thing.

We literally don't want to be involved in it

because they think that they're going to get demon stink on them.

But there is real disclosure actually happening.

Okay.

So I got this.

This is, this is where the disclosure should be.

It is coming from the people and this thing is extremely interesting.

Doesn't quite, I think, okay.

I'm going to try to explain this in a way that makes sense.

Please because I need it.

So in the 1980s, our egg-shaped purveyor of truth,

Stanton Friedman was a part of move on.

He was a part of all these euphologist that was trying to bring an

era of large-food rationality to UFOs.

He was a nuts and bolts guy.

He only believed in nuts and bolts aspect

that they are actual physical crafts that come from another part of the galaxy.

And he firmly believed that there was a US government

cover-up about them trying to retroactively figure out

technology from these devices and they were lying to the people.

And Stanton Friedman was the champion of a release of a series of

what were supposed to be top secret documents labeled MJ12.

Now the idea that there was a group, so it's called the 12,

was a group of people that had what was called majestic clearance,

which was the tippity, tippity, tippity top,

top secret clearance that you could have.

Okay.

Right, this is again, we don't know if it's real or not.

It was a hazy thing and this group of 12

wrote this essentially report to the government,

explaining all of the various ramifications of UFOs,

the things inside of them, what would be like to retrofit their,

their technology and how do we handle it socially?

Like they had like a whole breakdown.

All this stuff came out in the 80s.

It has largely been debunked.

Okay.

Most people believe at this point that they were faked material

that was put out in the 80s version of the intranet,

like the old internet, like when it was before,

it was just like like boards.

That was like a game that was played and then it came out.

Stanton Friedman tried to make a big deal about it,

ruined his life, all of it.

He wrote a bunch of books about it.

He didn't ruin his life.

He started moving on.

He died in an airport.

Anybody that dies in an airport?

That's sad.

Kevin, if I should die in an airport?

That is sad.

Sad, I wish he died at home.

Yeah.

So this guy came out.

This guy wrote a sub-sack.

Everybody would love sub-sack, but this is interesting.

Mm-hmm.

This guy started like re-looking at the MJ-12 documents.

I guess literally just a waste of time.

Yeah.

And he'd discover something fascinating.

It was actually MJ-13.

No, that's just, that's coding.

It's funny you went there because I was thinking cartels.

Oh, wow.

It's interesting.

Yeah, it's our brand.

13 also, we know, stand number is too big for him.

Two wolves.

Two wolves inside of you.

So the majestic swells, he noticed that.

So this guy's going with the stuff.

And they said that they had this sort of like

stamp on it.

And he noticed each one had a stamp on it with a number.

8 3 4 0 2 1.

And it's like, ah, whatever.

What is this?

So he decided to just run that through the CIA FOIA portal.

And then Jenny picked up.

Yeah, that's probably missed the last number.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's got a jerk off from the sound of the tone.

All right, so this guy's found,

it's like, oh, it's not just some random number.

It's actually a connected to something.

Is it a star?

It's connected to 345 pages of released

paperclip intelligence documents.

Okay.

Have you read those?

You fucker.

But no, right.

These were disclassified.

So these were declassified.

These documents.

So all of the the operation paperclip,

MK Ultra shit, like MK Ultra,

we got to remember we don't know that MK Ultra

until Clinton was president.

Okay, he was a one that released a bunch of

of anything that was available.

He released that.

I had no idea.

Yes, so that's new essentially.

These documents from operation paperclip

when we washed all the stuff with the Nazis.

Yeah, didn't actually become declassified

until 2022.

Hold on.

So we didn't know about Werner von von von von

until 2022.

I'm just saying a new batch came out.

Oh, okay.

Right.

So it's still coming out.

And so with this person understood is that

they were all sort of connected to the same batch.

This extremely important batch.

Now, they see here.

So not as far as like is a,

they realize that you could look at,

if you look at the paperwork,

it is in fact,

CIA, JIOA paperclip,

but it's a document that has an MJ 12 written on it.

Okay.

That is in the operation paperclip stuff.

So that means whatever's in the quote-unquote

fake document or all these,

the fake documents are actually

in a real document.

The same stamps are on a bunch of real documents.

So MJ 12 did exist.

If so it's just,

we're seeing for the very first time,

maybe that the documents are real.

Not that MJ 12 is real,

that the documents might be real.

And what that might even mean,

which is we might be looking at

a disinfo campaign that is as old

as the entire conspiracy theory itself.

Right.

What if we are in a world where

that was faked back then?

And it was put into all of this stuff as a part of a

disinformation campaign to make people that got access

to this looks silly and stupid.

And when was MJ 12?

Was that like back in like the 40s, 50s, 40s and 50s?

So this is like after World War II,

after Mussolini sold us the bullshit.

This is Roswell time after Roswell and after all of that.

So this would be because I believe this article,

the technically, the things came,

it's just, I'm sorry to remember some of this stuff.

Right start to sink in.

You just lost like one,

like a bass player that was in the,

like that was on Ozamiya.

Yeah, he's lost one.

But dude, like there was another,

another one.

So there was another number A-1762.1.

It was another one that they looked up and it popped up

on another document that's legit.

Okay.

We are, I'm just saying that it's fascinating.

And they are, it seems to be right now,

at the very top, there was like one document that's approved

for release that didn't come out until 20 years later.

And the big thing on it, it says,

CIA, UFOs.

Six letters.

Six letters.

Literally dude.

CIA, UFOs on this thing that's like,

that's what this document's about.

That's fun.

It's, it's just, and that's like on a post it,

did put on the front of it?

Yes.

Yes.

So,

this is the, this is the disclosure.

I know, but we can't sit here and like believe a post it, no.

It's on the fire.

So they scanned it with it, right?

Yeah.

It comes from the foyer request.

Yeah.

So this comes from the CIA like this.

It was, it was scanned like this.

It says like official record copy below it.

Yes.

Cool.

So it's one of those weird things.

That's actually disclosure, buddy.

So maybe, maybe, does this not to throw you off,

because I know you're on this and it's fucking awesome.

Does this have anything to do with William McCaslin

who went missing?

This guy, the UFO general, that was good.

The guy who was looking at all the UFOs who went missing.

I don't, I don't know.

I also think that this guy went missing.

I think he very well could have just committed suicide.

But wouldn't they have found him by now?

Dude's are fucking awesome, man.

Dude tied all the time.

The father wants to go away.

They do it all the time, man.

He'll go out there.

He'll blows brains out by a fucking cliff and fall backwards.

He knows what to do.

I mean, if they were going to, if the government was going to chip anybody,

they would have chipped this motherfucker, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah, Wendy's got a chip.

Yeah.

He should have a chip.

I, I think that, you know, what if the guy just as super sad as we all are

that, that Trump's invaded his own territory and he's sad and he blew his brains out

because he ruined his life work?

Hmm.

Interesting.

I can see that.

It was said that he has more sensitive secrets about the United States and his head

than anyone else.

Not no more.

So you really believe he's just dead.

I think that you don't think he ran.

Do you think he'd be like, what, what, what?

You don't think that the fact that the Russia or some shit,

you know, it's funny.

I think that's the same thing that when you talk about with Epstein, obviously,

I think about a little bit differently now, but I think that the,

let's say those secrets weigh heavily on a person.

Yeah.

I think that you could obviously have you, I think that it would make a lot of sense

that you might feel quite a bit of pressure.

Then why don't you tell everyone right before you off yourself?

Because you have the pride of being a, a, a loyal patriot that took his secrets to the grave.

Yeah.

I feel like that's what it is.

Is that the real Patriots don't talk.

Real patriots are fully brainwashed.

You know, and like that's why they're all like,

where is the fucking whistleblower succumbing now connected because apparently he was working

with fragments from Roswell, maybe.

Or he was told he were fragments from Roswell.

He wasn't Ohio.

It's along to way from New Mexico.

Yeah.

But it's also maybe he was told they were maybe all too big ol' I.

Maybe again, maybe it's hard.

Maybe he got, who knows, we don't know yet.

Maybe he got diagnosis of being extremely sick.

That's quite possible.

Like how many times do guys do that?

Yes.

They were trying to do that with Hunter S. Thompson.

They were trying to reopen his case and stuff.

And it's like the motherfucker wrote that he would not live anymore if he couldn't walk anymore.

The second he couldn't walk anymore, he committed suicide.

Yeah.

There it is.

Dude suck.

Right.

Dude's gets sad.

And instead of doing something about it,

pull their brains out.

Okay.

That's what guys do.

What's it going to take for you to do it?

Oh well.

A new Josh Gad Chris Farley movie might be coming out soon.

You like it, man?

Too much weight.

Oh no, I'm not talking about me.

I'm just talking about imagining that moron trying to create recreate the comedy of Chris Farley

in today's movie where I'm going to be down to watch them fall through a bunch of tables.

It's not him.

It's somebody else.

He got somebody else to do it.

It's not going to be good.

Oh, he's not in it.

No.

Oh, he's only been.

He just like he wrote it.

He wrote it worse.

Oh, he also wrote Space Balls too.

And he's going to be John Candy Sun.

He's going to be.

Wow, I'm so bogged too.

Wow, I'm just as excited about that as I've ever been.

Wow, that's some.

Wow, I'm so, wow, Ed, you're right.

I'm so much more excited about that.

See, that's not the only cover up that's in the news.

Oh, yeah.

What's going on with the other one?

So say what you will about 60 minutes, right?

It's only an hour.

See as long as five, 58 minutes to one.

So I, um, they have done a bombshell report

about the Havanna syndrome.

You know, people lived on multiple.

Yes, but this last one is really

fucking.

It's a big old one.

They had a CIA whistleblower come in and basically reveal

that they, they more than believe that there is an active CIA cover up

about the Havanna syndrome.

For those of you that don't know or remember,

it all started around 2016.

The reason why it's called a Havanna syndrome

was because a group of diplomats, U.S. diplomats

and spies were in a hotel in the, in Havana.

And they all experienced what they believe

the sort of this attack of a weapon that said

that felt like an ice pick was going in their ear.

They couldn't think their ears would get all popped.

There was some of them would feel like a clamp

was going on the back of their neck.

They could think it was a tricyclinoxis

for some bad pork or something.

I mean, it just, it was directed

and it happened really quickly, right?

And then afterwards they found that whatever it happened

had broken or shattered the little bones

around inside of their ears

and all this kind of stuff all around this area.

For a while, this has now been happening ever since.

The last decade, U.S.

spies and diplomats have been complaining

about the same thing, same series of symptoms

and kind of all of the circumstances around it.

And it's a permanent too, right?

They have, some of them have permanent damage.

It's kind of like long COVID in a way where they then came out.

The CIA just said, it's a natural phenomena.

It's what they called, which I thought was really interesting.

They called it an AHI, which is an anomalous health incident.

Okay.

So what they'll do is they pay you

that you get your insurance, your work insurance,

but they still will not admit that it was like an attack

because the CIA decided that there's no way

they could just make a weapon that does this thing

and not we wouldn't know about it essentially.

The CIA said that in order for them to make this microwave weapon,

it would have to be the size of a tractor trailer

and we'd know it everywhere.

It would take so much power.

It would make all this noise.

Bob, Bob.

Do we have any secret organizations inside of America

that would keep a secret from the CIA?

Eddie, no.

But no, so what happened is, is that, so the DOD in 2024,

I find this, this is very interesting.

Biden's White House specifically did not believe

in the CIA reports.

So they went looking for it themselves.

They ended up finding a guy within the DOD

to go buy this microwave weapon off of a Russian Mafioso.

Okay.

That could fit in the backpack.

So they bought this thing that it could fit a backpack.

It does it.

It gives off no heat.

It takes very little power to do.

It's some kind of thing that they figured out.

The Russians have been working on this for a long time.

We bought it.

We started testing it.

We tested it on cows and shit.

We're killing cows and stuff with it.

And the basically, they were ready to come out

with all of this information.

And this was all running up until the election.

And then once the election happened,

it just kind of went on the waste basket, right?

Like once they just had fuck it and they just left it alone.

And what they're basically saying is,

not only are they easy to make,

but they're almost imperceptible.

And now the Mafias are just

printing them, which means they're no longer

secret technology.

Everyone could have them.

Now they're out.

So is this what we used in Venezuela?

Is this what we've been using against protesters?

I have no idea.

I don't know.

But we know that Trump called it the discombobulator,

whatever it was.

Yeah.

And we do know that whole word out.

I think that he couldn't say the real word.

He couldn't say the real word.

He, yeah, we got the discombobulator.

We've got, and the, but those are sound,

there are sound weapons.

This is not a sound weapon.

Okay.

This is a microwave weapon.

It cooks your fucking brain.

Crazy.

Yeah.

So it's one of those that we just got sitting around there

in 60 minutes allowed this out.

And I believe this is a bit of a limited.

What we call in the intelligence services,

a limited hangout in which they are going to give us

this little fun controversy and this thing to do

in order for us to talk about anything,

but the Epstein trial and the invasion of Iran,

all of it.

Now this is the new distraction.

So it's a cool distraction.

It's a good.

So I like this one because we can't forget CBS.

Run 60 minutes and they're, you know,

they're in Trump's pocket.

They're in Trump's pocket.

They got, they took out a fucking story about Venezuela recently.

Yeah, they are.

They are.

So the reason why we're getting this story is because

this is an easier controversy for them to handle.

The CIA has decided because they've always been the bad guys.

Right?

They're always the fall guys.

Always.

The CIA's like, let us take the heat.

Yeah.

And that's it.

No must, no fuss.

No one's talking about Epstein anymore.

Except they are.

Yes, very much so.

Very, very much so.

And it's a matter of fact.

We are about to talk about it for next 40 minutes.

Yeah, I hope you.

Like it.

You're talking about her.

New day well.

They people have been loving the Epstein stuff.

We have brought an expert on.

Yes, because for I need this more than you need this.

You're entrenched.

Do you, to me, you're an expert as well.

But this next person is really who kind of like,

I got to say she helps me through every crisis this country goes through.

I look, I look to her for leadership.

She is one of the smartest voices in comedy.

Truly brilliant written for Sasha Baron Cohen had her own show on Adult Swim.

Yeah.

This is our bit of, we do an a bit of an update.

That's right.

There's a new podcast I'll call the Epstein Files book club.

It's hosted by Jenna Friedman and Elise Hugh.

Please welcome.

Jenna Friedman.

It's an island adventure.

It's an island adventure.

Heck yeah, it's Jeffery time.

It is funny that Whitney's Whitney was his favorite.

He's only favorite.

I know. I'm like, that just means you look young.

Are we rolling?

Can we, that can, that can be like the promo for the episode.

Yeah, absolutely.

We can drop that right in.

It is a pleasure to have this one of the 500 murderers in this country.

One of the 500 fucking killers that you belong in that fucking room and the

mother ship.

I don't care what anybody says.

So I'll do the mother ship.

Yeah.

You're fucking Covid's over.

Oh, but Man no Man.

They slated.

No one going on.

That's right.

We're joined by Jenna Friedman cohosts of the Epstein Files book club.

I'm very excited.

I love your show that you do with Elise Hugh.

It's unbelievable.

I've listened every episode.

I caught up on the flight home yesterday.

Thank you.

You are a guiding light for a lot of us.

And I appreciate you so much.

Also, your show and adult swim is wonderful.

Thank you.

That was my dream show.

Saw focus.

God, it was so fucking good.

Do you still think about the Cannibal Cup?

Never.

No, I might have blocked him.

I've done a couple interviews.

There was one I did with Ken Kratz, the making a murderer, DA.

And he would text me every so often.

I don't want to talk about him because I don't want to wake up his spirit.

Well, I was listening to your show on the way here.

And I got to say Walt Disney wrote that right in the middle of it.

Really?

I thought it was a sketch on your show.

Because it was a bunch of children going down the line.

It's like stuff like that.

Thank you for bringing it up.

OK, so I've never done a podcast.

There was a moment I remember in 2009, I had done the Glasgow Comedy Festival.

Mark Marin was there.

He had just started his podcast.

And he was like, do you want to come up to my hotel room and record an episode of my podcast?

And I was like, yeah, right.

Your hotel room to record your podcast?

And I didn't.

He did have me on recently, whatever.

And then the next day, and I said, he was shutting down his podcast.

Sorry.

Sorry.

I won't talk about it.

Honestly, it's fine.

It's fine.

It works.

I know.

One less podcast is good for us.

OK, anyway, so, but I've not done a podcast.

And then when the second batch of files dropped,

the only person talking about it was Jake Tapper.

I'm no longer on Twitter because it's a whole story,

but I had an account that got erased twice.

I have it right here in my notes.

Well, because Twitter used to be before Elon took it over.

Like, it was like the water cooler where you got your news.

And I was in New York.

If I heard a sound, I'd be like, what's that?

And Twitter would tell me because everybody was on it.

It was like a public good.

And so I don't, I'm not as like clued into the news

in the way that I was or the public discourse around the news.

And then Tapper posted something, Jake, whatever.

We're not like friends, but he posted.

I think pieces that were in the files that the DOJ have

taken off out of the files.

But the allegations were so damning.

And some of them were not credible.

And the FBI wrote not credible next to some of them,

but some of them were.

And I just like immediately posted on social media,

something to the effect of like we're all just,

like there are allegations of Trump raping kids.

And we're all just going to like ignore that.

To lose it, there's videos of it.

Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to be so careful to not say,

like if I don't, I know that there are allegations.

And then the DOJ have removed them.

And I also remember there are two different ones.

There's this Katie Johnson, who I remember in 2016.

She was going to do a press conference.

Katie Johnson's a pseudonym.

And then she got spooked and didn't,

but her allegations against Trump were very damning.

And so anyway, I like, I went into the files myself.

What I saw was so insane.

I was like, is anyone talking about this on a podcast?

No one was.

There's just one Epstein Files podcast.

I started listening to it.

I'm like, this is AI.

And that's the number one Epstein Files podcast right now, by the way.

To be honest, I want to mark that.

It is true.

The number one podcast.

It's called like the Epstein Files podcast.

Or something.

It is just AI garbage.

It's just AI.

And then there's this other one,

like called in Citius about Epstein that I was listening to.

And it actually corroborated now that I've been like,

going into files and like I've learned stuff.

Like I listened to the whole thing.

It's pretty accurate.

But then the voice changes from like a scary man's voice.

Well, they're all men's voices.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Well, we're trying to be safe.

We're trying to make it safe for you here.

But like to a scary Southern man's voice in the same episode.

And it's just so it's like, I don't know what is AI.

It's very disorienting.

And so I was just my friend Elise who I met at TED,

which is a whole other thing.

She has been wanting to do a podcast with me.

And I was like, we should just do it on this.

And she got it.

We got it up and running really quickly.

But like the ad component, I mean,

we're not making any money on this,

but it's on a platform where like they'll,

they'll just put an ad in the middle of it.

Yes, it's okay.

It's they embed it.

It's like from there.

And we've had lots of like army ads.

And like we have we're random stuff.

It's putting in and we have no controller.

We have to do whack them all.

So essentially you hear ahead of time.

When someone says they put something nefarious,

either I said or you went to army at several times.

And then you just, you play whack them all.

You call and say, get it out of there.

Okay.

And so they go and they reach and lock it.

And then they do it.

They go and do a piece by piece.

There was one at the beginning.

That was either about a casino or something.

And we, I was like, no, let's not do any ads

at the beginning.

She's like, I can move it to the middle.

Disney's pretty, that's pretty nuts.

That was wild.

I was taking it back.

You should be making money for a Disney ad.

You should be making money.

I think you make like 30.

Like every, it's just me, Elise Hugh,

and Sammy Huneo, is who edits our podcast.

I don't mean to be so tangential,

but I wanted to drop off my toddler at preschool.

And I know, pick him up.

And then he's an aftercare.

And I knew all the kids' names,

and they're not all in his class.

But all the names are, you know, they're, they're, they're nuts.

Hey, Astoria and Willis, and Evan and Evan.

And he has got through the game.

A couple Lilliths, couple Lilliths.

Lilliths are really advanced name for a little tosser.

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you mean the ancient horror of the Bible?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, but I like knew everybody's names.

And then the teacher was like, what are our names?

And I got them, but it took me a second.

And then I felt like such an asshole

and I got all their names.

The kids are more important.

Yeah, who cares about you?

But it was like a moment where I was just like,

oh my god, if I didn't rip this name out right away,

I'd, you know, so sorry.

Do you do, um, line spin?

What?

Mushroom.

Oh, lion's mane.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It really does.

It helps us some word.

I mean, I've seen it.

I've had, okay, uh, I was at the flyover festival.

Okay.

And in St. Louis.

And I went to one of their farmers markets on my time off.

And they had alligator meat.

But then there was this random man who was growing lion's mane

from his basement.

They're pretty far from alligators as well.

That's where they grow.

And I bought the lion's mane and I like took it home two days later.

And I sauteed it with butter.

Your face is like, and my partner who I was dating at the time was like,

I'm not eating that, but his bandmate was such a good sport.

And he like, he like this like old lion's mane wrote like four songs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Can I honestly ask like, how is this?

Obviously, uh, we, we talked a little bit before the show.

I was like, my, my wife is also deeply obsessed.

I'm obsessed.

I kind of like the fact that we can come together about this.

But I am hearing that it does affect.

It's affecting people's homes.

Right.

Well, it's the whole thing of the gardener in the rose.

You can have two Epstein files.

People.

Ep stands.

Ep stands.

Well, like the like pedo, like the files files.

Yes, yes.

File files.

File files.

File files.

Only files.

I'm on.

I do.

It's only files.

Look, the only, okay.

So we started the podcast because I just didn't see P.I.

I was reading the files and I'm like, I just, I want to be talking about this with smart

people.

And I want to, and in a responsible way, because there's so many conspiracy theories and you

can get pulled down by like the cannibalism and the jerky and the this and the that.

And I'm like, this is what they want.

They want us to have information overload.

They want us to, to either go turn into like left wing Q and on are fully shut down.

There has to be a middle road where you're like, let's, I mean, we're not going to forget

about the ice stuff.

There's a lot going on now with the war with Iran, but yeah, just move to do another burner.

It's just there.

It's on the stove.

Right.

I mean, I think we can like walk and chew gum at the same time, right?

Like I think and the reason that these have activated me is because I feel like this is

going to be the one thing that takes this administration down, either, you know, the

Dems sweep in the midterms or something else.

I mean, I think we have to, but I think that you can't.

I thought that the ice stuff was bipartisan, meaning like I didn't think anyone could justify

having these like masked men and Dean Kane terrorizing people in American cities.

Because Dean Kane, that was like, if I was an illegal immigrant and then Dean Kane showed

up with a bulletproof vest and machine gun, I'd be like, wow, this is really, it's very,

very serious.

He's faster than a speeding bullet.

Yeah.

Well, but, but you know, there's a way that they're spinning that, you know, and they're

like our borders, blah, blah, blah.

But with this shit, you cannot, like, it is such a cover up if Trump is innocent.

Why are they covering it up?

Why are they redacting files that they've released?

Why?

I mean, the cover up is so obvious to everyone, including Joe Rogan.

So, and then the other gets through his literally expanded skull from HGH, it should start

to break through.

Yeah.

So, when I say like, you know, I think it's what's going to take them down.

If it doesn't, it's taking all of us down.

Like how do we live in a, in a, you know, work in progress democracy if we can prosecute

pedophiles?

It didn't take the Catholic church down.

Well, Catholic church, I almost think, is even more rich and established in a way that

we can't understand because they still have God's mandate.

Yeah.

We don't.

Well, they're trying to.

Yeah, they're trying to.

But, you know, they don't, they don't have a DOJ, you know, they don't have enough,

I mean, the Catholic church is like an international institution that's been around for, for centuries.

But they're breaking laws in America.

Why are we allowed to arrest everyone who does it?

Yeah.

That's a crazy thing.

Yeah.

Now, I wanted to, before we get too deep in the weeds on this stuff, there's, you've

already crossed like three things I wanted to talk to you about, like in like three sentences.

So, but the first thing I want to talk about with you is, a lot of mysterious things

keep happening to you.

And I wanted to know about like what, how you feel about that.

And like, first of all, your Twitter getting erased.

This weird Epstein podcast, someone did a different version of your autobiography and

you got stopped at the border when you're coming back to America.

You're such a nice woman.

This is a nice way.

The way you're framing.

Your existence makes me terrible.

Okay.

Okay.

Okay.

The framing is very conspiratorial.

They're all separate things and they're very easy to explain.

Okay.

Sounds like somebody who's into deep.

Stopped at the border.

So that was April of last year, I was coming back from Ted.

I was coming from Vancouver into the US.

The customs border is on the Vancouver side.

I wasn't, I had my guard down.

I was chatty and he asked me the US customs agent asked, you know, what were you doing here?

I said I was doing comedy and it was unpaid because it was Ted.

I had had a situation at the border over a decade ago where I didn't realize that I needed

to, it was a whole thing.

So I wanted to make sure like I was doing comedy, it was unpaid because it's Ted that's

a whole separate issue.

Yeah.

You said, oh, you, you're a comedian, what are you joke about?

I hesitated and then he asked you to make fun of politicians.

I said no.

Yeah.

Cause yeah.

Yeah.

You're trying to get hold of it.

Yeah.

It's also not the only thing that you do.

I know.

Also, like, is it making fun of them to state facts?

You know, like, yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, I didn't, I, when I posted about it, I didn't, I didn't say that I said no because

I was nervous about, you know, I just said, be careful.

Be careful around customs.

I got through whatever.

Um, oh no, cause we were going into Canada the next week too.

We're all like, oh, fuck, it's like I'm all over everything.

Tell us saying like I want to burn the White House down.

Right.

I'm very all over the place.

I don't say that.

You know, it's because you're smart, smart.

Yeah.

But yeah.

Thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Sure.

You might have problems now.

I guess.

Well, okay.

So that happened and what was so interesting, I, when I, when after it happened, because

I remember like I got through and then I was in a bookshop and there was a guy in the

bookshop.

Like I was like shopping for a present for my toddler and I wanted to be like, I just

was asked this at the border and then I just didn't say anything because I'm like,

I just got to get home and be safe and, you know, and I, uh, then when I got home,

a friend of mine works for Adam Schiff and I said, hey, this just happened and he sent

me a meme that I said posted the, maybe like the previous day or around like a couple

of days prior that I could show it to you.

It says stop, like stop at the borders, like, um, drugs, weapons, something else and ideas.

And then, and it was in Politico.

They posted this on social media and then they took it down because it obviously, uh, freaked

people out.

Yeah.

But I believe that he had gotten that memo and was just following orders.

And so that's why that line of questioning happened.

And I wasn't going to be like, yeah, I do, I do joke about politicians, uh, free speech,

you know, like, yeah, like president, come and come at me, random man without a body cam

in a foreign country.

You know, I'm just, I have a self preservation.

Yeah.

So that happened.

Okay.

And then I talked about it because I couldn't not, um, and he, the funny thing is it's

like he asked me that question and I, I, I mean, it became like fodder for like the opening

of my show.

So a whole bit about it now, um, yeah, the ultimate, sweetest revenge.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I did a New Yorker piece making fun of customers.

I just, it became like a, it became like a gift, you know, um, and so that was one thing.

The Twitter thing, uh, that is, that is messed up.

But I basically, I never go on Twitter post Elon, but then I went on because, uh, I wanted

to see what people on Twitter were thinking about the Epstein files and so, and then

once you're there, you're like, I got to be like an Elon joke.

So I joked about how like I, I, I, the files felt real just because of how much even

the pedophiles didn't want to hang with Elon.

Like that just felt like a real, oh yeah, you know, that was one of the favorite parts

of the whole thing was that everybody else was like demure about the island, demure and

he was just like, when am I coming to the island?

It is everyone's favorite part.

Yeah.

And they're like, uh, I don't know, no, no amount of my, it's like the most money, hungry,

even people are still like, uh, your face is too fat, you harsh, you harsh the vibe

on pedophile island, man with more money than all of us combined.

So I tweeted about that and then the next day I couldn't get into my account and I tried

my password.

I was like, Elon sucks 2026 was my password and it wasn't working.

And I was like, maybe this is just something's up, whatever sucks with the next, no, I felt

it correctly.

Yeah.

And then it was like, maybe it was Elon sucks 2025, I'll check tomorrow.

And when I went back to check, like even my, I, I actually went X dash Jenna Friedman

Jenna with one end.

I have to specify because there is a Jenna with two ends in the file.

Anyway, I'll get back to that later, but I had to, and, and, and it said account does

not exist.

And then I felt like Sandra Bullock and the net, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and so then,

then somebody I posted about it, somebody's like, no, there's this other account, like

Kato AI that has all your tweets on, and it's like, okay.

And then, and then I was able to put up another account with my name because whoever hacked

it left my domain name, which is weird.

Yeah.

So I started a new account, Jenna Friedman.

And then I posted it and then a couple people were like, Jenna got silence, follow her

and I was like, hi, and then I made another joke about Elon.

And then that account disappeared and became my name with an underscore after it.

Like somehow, some programmer actually changed my URL.

So that was my account.

But then I, it like deleted it.

And then now my account that has my name is actually restored.

So it's weird.

So it's like multiple.

It's actually hard to explain because it's like not just a hacker.

Usually a hacker just comes in, takes a profile and like post like shitty fishing links.

Yeah.

But this was like multiple levels of fuckery that I, that I'm like, how do you do this if

you're not internally in the company?

I do.

One of the things that haunts me most about the Epstein files is that it shows that these

guys, men that run the world in these institutions seem to really have an massive amount of time

on their hands.

Like, I thought these guys were all super busy.

How do they, how could they pay attention to you?

How could that mean?

Wild.

That went onto his desk, the most, the richest man in the world.

And he said, good, ready for, do it to the account.

Like they have like 30 employees compared to their social media sites.

So someone had to, individual, it feels like that.

Click your account.

Do the thing.

Like, not to be anything.

We're just comedians.

Like, on the very base of it, as we're trying to do work, but this idea of like every

time a billionaire tells a comedian to go fuck himself, it makes the comedian a lot

of money.

It feels good stuff for the comedians, fuck.

But also, I mean, I reached out to Twitter right after, and I was like, hey, can you help

me with this?

And the response was so swiftly like, no, I have it saved.

It was just like, no, how we can't prove that you're you.

And I'm like, yeah, what?

Like, yes, you can.

I have an idea.

I have, you know, and then I mean, people like, well, why would you even give any money

to Elon?

I never gave money to Elon.

That's why I didn't have to factor authentication if I did get hacked.

But also it's like, we're comedians like, we have, this is public record.

We have to be on here, people are having conversations, politicians are making statements

on here.

Thomas Massey just made a statement on X that I couldn't see.

I had to find it somewhere else about the files.

So it's like, I'm trying to report on what's happening.

And it's just crazy that you can have, and I know it's like naive, but in 2009, I made

a pact with like Twitter, Jack Dorsey, where like, I gave him my intellectual property,

which is a lot of dumb jokes.

I had communications via DM.

And in a second, because like of some billionaires whim, all that can be erased.

We have no recourse.

We have no, like, we have no rights digitally or really in, in reality too.

I mean, it's funny to talk about digital rights when you're looking at like, other shit

that we don't ever, I mean, like with all the ice shit, this is so small potatoes.

But I do think for people listening and just younger generations, we have to assume

that like, like, just get offline.

Like you have no rights.

They can take all your data.

They will take all your data.

Those little.

You don't own anything on the internet.

You don't own anything on the internet.

They're spying on you.

They're listening to it all times.

They're just trying to harvest your data.

If it's free, you're the product.

Yeah.

Carol Codwaller, she broke, I think, the Cambridge Analytica story around 2016.

She calls them digital rapists.

Yeah.

Yeah, I could see that.

Yeah.

You know, I guess, you know, then you.

And now we know there are also actual rapists.

Actually rapists.

Yeah.

Can we go back to the meta-raping?

You know, I feel like it's like fine.

I can have my accounts.

Right from North Laid.

So you're totally invested in all of this stuff.

You're going down the rabbit holes that rest of us shouldn't have to go down.

And we appreciate it.

Who do you think's going to go down?

Like who's really going to go down?

Like who's definitely that's Blacksner or?

Blacksner is so old.

I think.

Did you watch his deposition?

I watched the deposition.

And we're talking about him.

We have somebody who wrote, like, literally wrote a book on Blacksner.

She's going to be on the pod.

That'll be released on Friday.

Yes.

Yes.

I don't, I mean, it's literally, it's either our system goes down or the sitting president

goes down.

And he's either going to go down by just if we can sweep in the midterms and we have

a free and fair election, then maybe, you know, we can do impeachment since a penis

and like getting, you know, getting people held accountable.

I think Pam Bondy's got to go.

Cash Patel's got to go.

He's doing such a good job.

I know.

Right.

Um, Christine, no, you know, they, they're, they're, they're, they're just, it's, they're,

I, those three people aren't really in the files.

No, but they're, but they're covering up and bond, I mean, like Bondy's connection,

you know, to the, as Florida, a G is there, but I mean, let Nick has to go.

Yes.

There, it, it is a cover up.

It's a, it's like, the thing it's like, you don't want to say the cover up is worse

than the crime because the crime is one of the worst crimes ever.

But the cover up is also a huge crime.

Like the cover up to me is a thing that's like fascinating.

Like, there are tons of pedophiles ever.

You look, you know, like we all came up in comedy.

Like, there are tons of citizen app is overdoing it.

I think it's overdoing it.

I don't think it's like, we're like blocks from your house.

It's like $5 to find out who this guy is.

You're that guy's a liquid, it's too, it's too much.

It's not, that can't be.

It can't be like, I'm like, there aren't even that many people in my neighborhood.

But your local, locally sourced farm to table pedophile is like, you're technically,

it's a lot of times it's family friends.

It's people connected into the family when it's that level.

But now we're also seeing there's another type of pedophile that could

conspiracy theories have talked about for a long time.

But now we actually, it actually makes more sense of like, to be a pedophile,

you would need a network.

There is, it's very difficult to operate alone to disseminate material and make material.

Okay.

So there's an entrepreneurial pedophile thing, which I,

the conspiracy theory is always like freak me out.

Like if you're going down and down a rabbit hole and off and you're like,

the Jews did 9-11, you got to pull back.

Like you're down too far.

It's like, no, everybody benefited from 9-11.

Hey, listen, we all like 9-11.

I'm sure your fans are going to be like, oh no, they know that the Jewish

people were warned and they all left the towers before the quaint it, we know.

It goes right on the Netflix.

But like Epstein could have, like there are, he could have just been your

run of the male pedophile, but it's like the innate, all the people who

enabled him on every level, like the New York Times did a really good piece

about all the doctors that helped him when he had like an orgy to females.

I say female because I, it's so funny.

The only other person who says females can't have a call back.

He's like the female from, but it's like, but I don't know if they're of age.

So I don't want to call them women and I don't know if they're girls.

I default to child.

I just default to child.

Well, or they're at least 16, but there is like that whole thing of like

journalism responsibility, you know what I mean?

No, I know you're much more responsible, but I'm trying to, because it's so easy

to miss step and I'm sure I will miss steps.

I'm trying to like be as responsible as I can.

So if they were of age, they were of age, but either way, I think that Bruce

Moskowitz, I think the doctor from Palm Beach, there's like an email where he's

tells Epstein, you know, have them get their test at a public health clinic so

that I don't have to report them when I report you because he tested positive

for gonorrhea and you have to report as a doctor.

I don't want their names showing up with your name.

And it's like that level of complicity and assistance.

Well, just the looking out for Jeff, the all of these people looking out for

Jeff, which means Jeff was cool.

People loved him.

Nobody loves Trump.

Nobody, right?

We weren't even joking about this.

We're like Epstein has so much support and friendship.

He had such a social capital.

And yes, he had a regular capital and you could see how he's paying for gifts

for everybody from Kathy Rumler to, you know, everyone else who's just giving

them money.

He's giving them money.

He was just his friend.

Dude, Peggy seems for his currency.

Yeah, but he sustained them.

That Peggy Seagull stuff is fascinating about it, would you?

That is a whole, she's a PR agent and works a lot in the broad way.

Did she ever invite you to stuff?

No, no, no.

I was so in like 2017 and 18 before the connection.

I think the connection between her that I saw was like around the pandemic

because I remember seeing that being so bummed because somehow I got on Peggy

Seagull's list and I would just get invited to stuff.

Like the beat premiere lady burp just randomly.

And I'm like, what is this?

Like why does she think I'm someone else?

Maybe.

I mean, but she was the one that said,

could both she, well, she told Epstein number one that like, you know,

Timothy Shamilema Ding Dong had to give up his payment for the Woody Allen movie.

She was oversharing with him and all these emails.

I mean, I haven't done the deep dive on her yet, but like the way that she

talked to him, it was like an oversharing publicist.

She's doing this all in email, but she's really like gossiping, gossiping,

like craze and then forwarding him, like the allegiance that people had to

him. So many people would like forward something to him, like that they didn't

even have to, like they'd have a clip.

Oh, Michael Wolf.

Oh, my God, that fucker.

I do not like that man.

Forging stuff to Epstein that you don't even have to.

Epstein's not going to know it's like he had this power over everyone.

And it must have been money, but it must have been something else.

Like he could really, well, he also loved the Lion King.

Jeffrey Epstein saw the Lion King.

Well, it's a great film.

A proxie. No, the stage play, but he's so into that right now.

Same, same taste.

Are you saying Julie Teymour?

Yes.

So he was obsessed with Julie Teymour's the Lion King to the, he saw at least a dozen

times and it was one of the things that he would do to impress girls where he'd be

like,

I know.

Children's play.

And then like serendipity for like, yeah, for them, like the gold leaf ice cream.

Yeah.

And then take and then drive.

And then he obviously didn't have to spend time writing quotes from the lead on their

legs.

That takes time.

You know that, you know that, you know, you've worked with some of the grates.

So he went to, you're saying he went to the Lion King constantly?

Yeah.

Yeah, you know, I mean, it's better than Mary Poppins.

You know, and I want to say about Trump too, right?

He said Trump was like one of the worst people.

He's an evil.

Yeah.

Oh, he's scared of Trump.

He was very scared of Trump.

So it helps.

I legitimately think what we're seeing is that, I mean, you know, guy, yeah, I'm not

going to be careful about it.

But I know that they deleted those at that last, the from the 50 page, right?

Right.

Deficit, yeah, 33 pages about Trump's actual physical actions.

Also, people need to know, I didn't mean to cut you off, but people need to know

that Trump is not emailing in the files because Trump doesn't email and didn't email.

He's, this is the end of falling out with Epstein in around 2000.

Whenever I'm not exactly sure, but it was before the emails.

The emails are from like, you know, 29 to like a little onward, like a decade

onto like 2019 or 20, something around them.

Yes.

But Trump's falling out with Epstein was before that and he didn't email.

So as much as he is in the files, he's not as, it's not as inditable because he

didn't actually send emails to Epstein himself.

He specifically doesn't write things down, right?

Which is obviously the behavior of an innocent president, right?

Right.

It's mafia shit.

Because most presidents want you to remember every word they say.

They have libraries.

Yeah, yeah.

He wrote it right.

And there's guys, there's jobs are to track everything that you said in Clint and Bill

Clinton's deposition.

He said he only, I listened to that as much as I could.

You know, I do have a toddler and other work that actually pays me that I have to do.

So I'm why are you laughing?

I just, yeah, you do have to not just listen to my poor, my poor toddlers.

Just like mom, I need love.

The toddler's going, I feel your pain.

I'm like, I don't want him to come one of these guys.

So I really do have to give him love.

But that was a, now I'm blaming moms for their son.

So forget that cut, cut, cut.

Okay.

We know moms are to blame.

I'm sorry.

I can't just finally say some really good stuff on a show.

I can't, it's just so nice to have some real uncut talk.

What was his mother like?

You were talking about Clinton.

Oh, yeah, Clinton only sent two, has only sent two emails, according to his deposition.

One was to John Glenn when he landed on the moon.

And the other was to soldiers in Kosovo.

And I was like, what?

And because we don't really have like an active like media ecosystem.

I'm like, reporting on this.

So why am I obsessed with this?

It's like, it's also just like, it's, it's a way to look at the news.

It's a lens through which to look at the news.

I've been wanting to talk about politics for a while.

I had my mom died three years ago and I had a kid.

And it's just been like a kind of heady time for me.

So it's like, this feels like a way to talk about the news.

That's like niche, but also everything.

So it's like, we can, you know, on the podcast, it's like we do the updates just related to Epstein.

Like we enter into a war with Iran.

Well, how do you connect that to Epstein?

Thomas Masu thinks it's a distraction from the files.

We're not going to debate whether or not what Epstein's motive, Trump.

We're not going to debate what Trump's motivations were.

Because it doesn't matter what he, I mean, judging from the past,

something that that serves him probably, but it doesn't matter what his motivations are.

It's not going to stop us from doing this thing.

I don't think the, the Iranian invasion is going to do what he wants it to.

I think that a lot of people are already, I mean, like, it was a big deal.

But I, and it is a big deal.

But I don't believe it's going to distract people from this files.

I think that we, it's not for the files.

It's for the election.

It's a different, right, right.

He's trying to keep everyone in office.

So we don't have to have an election, right?

Because war, it's why we were we in war for like 20 years and had a lot of

Republicans do this, you know, that this isn't like they start wars.

You know, it's bombed eight countries.

God.

So I wish, I need an army.

I wanted to ask you a question because there's a lot of things about this.

Henry's more of an expert.

I'm more of a, I need to know things and people need to tell me.

What is Melania's real connection to Epstein?

Very good question.

From what I understand, she was one of the models.

I'll say that nicely, who, uh, yeah, you know, they're a model.

Well, there was a whole apparatus of models that they brought over and, and they

brought over a lot for like nefarious purposes where you think you're coming,

you're coming here for modeling opportunities and then your traffic.

Yeah.

So from what I've seen, she was one of Epstein's girls.

I don't know what that means.

And then, uh, ended up like there, I think there's an email of like the first

time she hooked up with Trump on the plane.

I remember that because that was the term he came out and he said, what a great

piece of ass.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I mean, we know that she modeled.

Yeah.

And but she was like through, I believe it was through Epstein.

So was she, yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, I don't know anything else.

I don't, the whole intelligence stuff is above my, like, I just, I just very hard

to corroborate that.

The whole point of like saying someone works for some intelligence agency is like,

there's no way any of us can corroborate it.

If they, yeah, and they do, they specifically choose sketchy people a lot of times too.

So they can dump them.

They can scrape them off.

They can't, yeah, you know, and the allegation of Epstein working for like any

intelligence, I do believe, you know, like, uh, Hillary and her deposition was like,

I was targeted by Russia, Russian intelligence.

Epstein from again, my understanding is that he didn't need to work for one

intelligence agency.

He had them, I mean, I don't, I, it seemed like he might have, you know,

the way that he carried favor with everyone.

Maybe he did that with intelligence, but I don't think he worked for like one agency.

I don't know that, that is like hard for me to say because I'm, I just don't,

I haven't seen anything.

And also I listened to the interview with Julie Kay Brown and David Rebnek.

And I'm just parroting what she said.

And she's one of the people who's been reporting on this very extensively for a very long

time. Now was Trump bankrupt in the 80s and then given money by Russian potentially

mobsters.

No, well, and the thing about Trump, and I remember like hoping that the tax returns

will come out.

And I do believe there is an Epstein email where he's like, everything's in Trump's taxes.

Like all of an eight Trump never released his tax returns because it shows that,

and then like the Trump connection with Deutsche Bank, the two people who's like the bankers

at Deutsche Bank who like died or killed them.

There's so much sketchy shit around Trump.

I just, I can't believe that he even was able to run in 2016 with all the dirt on him.

That was already public record.

Well, that was the first thing that busted an idea about, you know, massive conspiracy theories

in my mind because I was like, in 2016, I was like, there's no way the capitalist system

was going to let Trump win.

Like the Hillary Clinton was supposed to win, right?

Like that was all, if the system really rigs it, Hillary for a reason.

Yes, Hillary Clinton would have won.

But so obviously there is something to voting that is in there that they can somehow

like the TV man won.

That's how we won is that he was in, he was literally ubiquitous with pop culture for

about 40 years.

And then we kind of maybe we seem to have uneducated ourselves to a point as a society where

we were just like TV man's fun.

I want TV man to be president man.

Yeah.

There was also, I mean, there was mainstream reporting that came out.

So don't shoot the messenger about like Kremlin backed money supporting Bernie's campaign

just dividing the left like to divide the left.

Oh, he probably didn't even know where that money came from.

Yeah.

Do you think that maybe like $33 or so it's fine.

I went towards his suit.

I was going to ask him to watch the intelligence.

That's not not someone I like boy, what am I supposed to do?

I wonder if we're actually in a better spot because obviously we aren't Russia or China

yet.

Right.

Our media in many ways is a really hard gene to get back in the bottle.

They are independent way of talking out to the internet and do is actually extremely

difficult to clamp down now.

So we have more information than ever, which is part of the reason why I think the current

con with the Iranian invasion and all these guys coming out and talking and literally

night of giving us a reason why and just kind of blowing it all through.

I think that the hypocrisy itself is finally starting to sort of come to the surface because

there's just, there's too much information accessible for us to not see that you're wrong

in your lie.

Okay.

So I think a couple of things, I think our media ecosystem is very broken and potentially

beyond repair.

I think part of that has to do with the fact that it's so fragmented.

When you have people like Joe Rogan and Andrew Schultz forming public opinion, it's really,

really scary.

But it seems like the problem then is the problem not the public that they're from around

them.

Well, we're not an educated population.

We don't have media literacy, which is huge.

And I want to agree with you that people can have access to information, but there's

information overload, there are unreliable messengers.

And then with what happened on Twitter, our platforms can just be taken away in a heartbeat.

So the local news apparatus is going away, but that's really like people digging in

their communities, having trusted sources and working together.

I mean, all that's kind of going away.

Like the cable news, the local news, local cable news, but the local news being gutted

is really bad for democracy.

And so, yeah, people might have access to information, you know, it could be information overload

where then they just tune out because there's just too much misinformation and it's really

hard to sift there.

And again, that's partly why I started the podcast because I'm like going into the files

and I'm like, I'm going crazy and then I go on Twitter and I'd see some AI shit and

I would fall for it.

And I'd be like, I feel like this for someone who is emotionally vulnerable, like this

could trigger psychosis.

Yeah.

And then, you know, and then I just had to step back and bring on a journalist and be

like, okay, like, let's just focus on like, what are the indictable claims?

Like what, what are the invested, what can we investigate, who can we put pressure on

to unredact things, get the actual information out there, investigate the claims and then

prosecute the people who are criminals, hold them accountable.

Now, when it comes to Trump, doesn't he not have full immunity because of what got

passed right before he became president?

Well, yeah, he's, I, well, I think it's supposed to be immunity for acts considered under

the guise of the presidency.

Okay.

All right.

So he doesn't have just full presidential immunity, like all presidents, you can't arrest

him.

Right.

Right.

You can't indict a sitting president.

Um, I don't know.

But also, I mean, good luck.

Seriously.

But I don't think it's, I mean, when I say that this is going to take Trump down, I think

if it's going to take him down, it's going to be by like, you know, flipping like the

house in the Senate in the midterms.

And then if that doesn't happen, I don't, I just don't, I don't know.

I mean, I think is, um, I think it's going to die.

Yeah.

Yeah, time.

I forgot about time.

Father time, father time, I think that father time is the really only thing that thick and

really come into play here.

And I think that thankfully, because normally bastards live forever, like my fucking

piece of shit, Cunt Grandmother lived until she was 95 years old.

She just hung on her chain is back alive.

Yeah.

But I think that yeah, normally people with no souls live

for a long time, but I do also think that he's just so unhealthy that there's only so

much evil that can keep him alive.

We'll see his father lived to about 95 or something.

But at least by then, he really was just tapioca with pubic hair.

I mean, but he can, Trump can, that's great.

That's a great visual.

And

Sable as a beautiful Siberian horse.

Yeah.

But I also think like worse than Trump are like JD Vance and Teal.

And they're kind of like running the ship.

So

Teal's the most terrifying person in this country.

Nothing.

Well, and the only thing that cartons me is that none of them were a television producer,

though, JD Vance is going to get torn to pieces.

Well, that's where I think the files come back in.

You know what I mean?

That's where it's like when Trump is out of the picture, like no one else who doesn't

have Trump's appeal can justify any of the ship.

It's going to be difficult.

And that's why we need the rock.

That's right.

And I hope that Duane Johnson can take up the torch and be the next unbelievably

crooked president.

I've one final question for you, Jenna.

October 14th and Florida is now Charlie Kirk, remember and stay.

How will you be celebrating?

Oh my God.

Are you trying to get me death threats?

Okay, wait.

We did it all this episode.

Who is Charlie Kirk?

Thank you.

Because if I were like a professional media troll, I was just like, who are you talking

about? I missed the news that day.

And I'll answer your question with another question.

What is a woman?

I mean, I live in California.

It's like whatever you want it to be.

I mean, whatever.

Wow.

That's incredible.

You're so lucky.

Thank you so much, Jenna, for coming by.

Jenna Friedman.

Listen to the Epstein Files book club.

It's available wherever you listen to podcasts with at least you.

Jenna Friedman on Instagram.

And of course, mother fucker, go see mother fucker.

It's going to be in LA on April 8th and Austin on April 10th.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Thank you so much, Jenna.

Thank you, Jenna.

Wow, how about that, huh?

40 minutes of pure Epstein.

I can talk about it for longer.

I could keep going.

I need that like basic baseline info that we just got.

That's very important for me.

I feel like I like advanced past like we did.

I just like, I'm just starting.

I'm just reading his emails and like, I'm pretending I'm him.

But also funnily enough, she brought up the whole dental angle.

Yes.

And I think that that is going to be a massive part of this story.

We Korean Ashuliac connecting all of these because like, I was just

read his search and another thing that they were talking about.

Another massive pedophile that would use dental care as a way to get in.

And this makes a lot of sense for young women.

Like, I remember like, I remember when I met Natalie, she was suffering

from horrific dental problems.

Yeah.

And that was like one of those things where it was really hard for her.

And it got so fucking expensive.

And everything that a pocket if you don't have the insurance.

And so I think that he would find beautiful women.

I think he would find beautiful women and he'll hygienist.

Yes.

But I think he would use it on, on beautiful women.

I say, I'm going to make your teeth good so you can be a model.

I was going to say, because dental hygienist are the tourists.

They're very attractive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I actually, you know, I, yeah.

Right.

Sometimes I think so.

I actually find, I mean, my dental to do hygienist.

I work with our more so like, um, older, yeah, it's older women.

Well, you know, tenure.

Well, yeah, you're like a seasoned woman.

All right.

Let's get into one listener email.

I love listener emails.

Do we have a stinger?

Sorry.

I threw that on your rock.

Good work.

I got this, uh, this, this one that we really liked.

You know, the, yeah, let's do it again.

Let's do it again.

We don't always do new ones.

Are you ready, Eddie?

Yes.

Are you on the end, Rick?

Yes.

Sure.

Now it's time for listener emails.

Y'all.

So we got one of these.

We got to actually a bunch of these on this subject about the 11 year old being tried as an adult.

Okay.

There's some people that have, I definitely saw some people were like, oh,

you should have treatment and not jail.

I understand.

Yes.

But I also got several emails that I thought were interesting that we're basically being like

11 year olds and dangerous.

So you, so are you going to read the ones that make you sound right or the ones that make me sound right?

That's the best part.

So I could do anything I want.

But no, this is like, this is interesting.

It's because really it was just more about juvenile's tried as an adult.

Yeah.

I do found, I do, it really depends on where you're at.

And Florida, I remember when my buddy was murdered by another young man.

That guy was tried as a adult, but he like tied him to a tree and shot him in there.

And so that was the government.

No.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, great.

Pleapest tape.

I don't need him coming to find me.

Yeah, come on.

Let's get it.

I think he's out now.

Go for it.

Oh, let's have him on the show.

So just one let you know, but the case of Clayton Deets, the 11 year old who confessed to killing his father,

can be transferred to juvenile court.

It's currently an adult court, because in the state of Pennsylvania, all murder charges,

regardless of the age of the offender, start an adult court.

Most states have a minimum statutory age in which a person can be tried as an adult.

And the youngest age, any state is written into law is 12.

Okay.

Pennsylvania is the only state that automatically sends all homicides to adult court.

And if somebody under the age of 15 is convicted as an adult,

the maximum sentence allowable is life with the possibility of parole after 25 years.

So essentially, so this is an example in 2009, an 11 year old Pennsylvania boy,

who was initially charged as an adult with killing his dad's fiance.

But that was when he then, then he was sent to juvenile court where he was found delinquent

and sent to a juvenile facility where he has to stay until the age of 21.

So this is one of those.

It goes back and forth.

He will be essentially tried as an adult and then he could be sentenced as an adult,

but they, they essentially what they'll do is no matter what,

he will be put in a youth wing or in a very high, high security juvenile center.

Yeah.

Until he's like 18, then he goes.

When he serves 21, that's one.

That was a previous case.

But he probably will go to like 18, then go to jail up until the 25 year marker hits.

And then he can go up for parole.

Yeah.

So at earliest, he's getting out of 36.

Yes.

If he gets it, if they throw the book at him, man, no fucking chance at a decent life.

No, damn.

No, but hey, you know, the problem is is that he, I do, I've come around a little bit more

about the idea that obviously kids don't know what they're doing.

I know kids don't know, don't know what they're doing.

Could the adult, you don't have a fucking solid brain until you 25 years old.

I completely understand that.

Yeah.

It's just what do you do?

And I had several emails also said about the idea that kids are kind of

intense right now very much.

So very much, you know what the crazy apart about this is is if he missed almost nothing

would happen.

Yeah.

If he missed, we would probably wouldn't even know about it.

The dad would have just taken the gun from him and fucking put it back in the suitcase.

Slap them around a little bit.

Is that what you do?

I feel like it's my son.

I think if a kid fires a gun at you, you're out there.

You can hit him.

You think of that one time?

I'm going to get this email.

I can't wait for these emails.

Sign stories LPLGmail.com.

Went to okay to hit a child when they fired.

You know what?

My dad hit me exactly once.

And it was when I pulled the steering wheel out of his hand and I still think he's right.

Yeah.

You know, I still like we were driving.

I pulled the steering wheel.

We almost crashed.

He hit me.

I never pulled the steering wheel out of anyone else's hand the rest of my life.

I've no intentions of doing that.

Even to the root of stupid drivers watching something last night.

I was watching where it was like kids attacking somebody and I was doing that.

They're like, no, no, this would have happened if someone gave one to the children or whoop.

That's the need to do is give his child a whoop.

I know.

No, no, I honestly don't hit kids.

I think he shot a whole fucking thing about it.

I think it's if he shot at you and he missed.

Yeah, I guess you do have to, you do have to beat him with an inch of his life.

Only just because you can't come for the king and miss.

That's the thing.

Never try to kill your father and and not get it.

Right, you better kill me, son.

Remember or do you tell him that or do you take the gun and play Russian roulette with the son, right?

And you tell him you're playing Russian roulette, but you lied to him, right?

Yeah.

And you set it all up and then you get him ready and you make him pull it a couple of times.

And then until you're certain that it would be one bullet left, right?

And he's crying and shouldn't he's crying and stuff.

And then you take the gun under his hands and it's like, this is why you don't fuck with your father.

There you go.

See, and people said, and you didn't hit him, you didn't hit him once.

You should be a dad.

You know how many people I tell a dad that we should be that I agree that these type of conversations all the time.

We have made the right decision and not be father.

Well, this is all about trying to convince Henry not to be father.

Also, this is us as single fathers.

You have to remember, this is us with no feedback.

Also, yeah, I mean, yeah.

So I, but I do find it crazy that if he missed, he still would have the same intention.

What?

He could have stood and talking to you for me.

I know, but I'm just saying his whole life is destroyed because he's a good shot.

Yeah, that is the main issue.

It could have been John Wick.

Yes, yes, I mean, it's, you know, he did a point blank.

Who was in a good shot?

Yeah.

Well, I fucking still hope for the best for this little fucker.

I'm afraid of him, but I was afraid of don't want him in the room.

But I do want someone who cares to take care of.

He's just very obviously an 11 year.

He's just very obviously an 11 year old boy.

And he probably should there.

There's got to be something else going in there.

And we also do.

I still don't think anything necessarily happened to the father.

I don't think the father did anything.

I did get it also an interesting email from somebody that I think his father's kid should be scary potter.

Cute.

That's fun.

Hear that.

Prison gang.

I call him scary potter.

That's for free.

Call him scary potter.

Tell him any such enjoy.

But also someone said in the foster system that you can also see the kid was adopted.

There are kids that are it is they have known nothing but betrayal from adults.

You know, there is that if you've been adopted, you've been betrayed by somebody.

And now you're been refound and you're you're loved.

But you had a deal with somebody saying, I don't want you to know it anymore.

And I think that that is hard.

It is hard.

And the foster system, you know, it's a very like thankless place where a lot of people take

advantage of everything.

And then even the fucking band sucks.

Oh, yeah, foster the people.

Tell me garbage also, I'm not fostering people, you know, I foster the children,

foster the dogs, even a cat, if you have to.

Wow.

Not people.

God assholes.

Well, it's been a great episode.

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