Signing Off Down South...For Now (Southern Charm Reunion 1 & 2 Full Recap)

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Since we weren't early able to do our Southern Charm reunion part one recap last week,

now that shooters back from VK, we figured we just put it all into one big old episode

since they were nice enough to only do two reunion episodes,

which we very much appreciate.

We're going to do a super duper mega awesome super loaded pack

double reunion episode feature in the Broncos.

Yeah, I mean, is this like a sign of good things to come

that they're only going to do two episodes for reunions for shows like this?

Because that would be wonderful.

I mean, even the shows that deserve it,

even the seasons that deserve quote unquote three-part reunions,

they always kind of fuck it up in some way.

So why not just pack it all into two episodes?

Let's just do it that way.

That makes us so much happier.

And honestly, the way where unions go,

one episode for us very recapping it is more than enough.

Yeah.

Oh man, it's eight o'clock.

And so that'll make it a

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I shine just fine.

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I'm your co-host Steel Russell joined as always

by the ever-fleeting reunion mugguder.

What's up, dude?

Welcome back.

I figured you were going to.

What do you mean welcome back?

This is like our fifth episode this week.

No, to a reunion season.

Oh, I was like,

because you said something about vacation of the first

that I'm like, okay, it's like.

I just said the vacation thing

because you were on vacation last week

for the Southern trauma episode,

which is more than important.

And it makes total sense.

But also, I thought you were going to rhyme

fleeting with my last name and you didn't do that.

So that kind of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You always do that.

What gives?

Leader muggier.

I mean, reunion goods is like a go to.

That's a classic.

Oh, just we haven't had a reunion in a while.

So I say welcome back to reunion season.

Comment goods.

Oh, yeah.

But yeah, dude,

if they could just do this with all their shows,

just give us two episodes.

Like the three-part thing.

It never hits even during good seasons.

It just doesn't hit.

This was a pretty good season.

There was a lot to talk about.

And I thought for these two reunion episodes,

I mean, when you boil it down,

it's like five people talking.

The rest of the people were just kind of chiming.

And like, Whitner,

you get a little check in with him in this,

in the second episode.

And it's like, okay, how was your time on the show?

Cool.

Now you're just going to interject

when we talk about Austin and Craig.

Like, that was pretty much everybody else.

That's all I need, though.

That's all I need.

It's perfect.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, you can't speak without it.

I love get's removed when you do two episodes.

Because if we get a third episode,

we would have a lot of like,

and, you know, I'm not knocking it.

Obviously I'd be great for Madison,

but we talk about Madison and her baby and her family

for like 10, 15 minutes in this.

We just get like, you know, five minutes,

how's it going?

How's baby life?

You good?

All right.

Cool.

Let's move on to the stuff that really matters.

And then you have the newbies coming in.

And obviously Charlie was inserted.

But we didn't really talk to Whitner.

Shit.

Fairly talked this entire reunion.

This is the easiest reunion for shep.

And it was an easy season for shep, to be honest.

to be honest. So he needed works out really well the way they do this. And honestly, it works

out well for us that we're covering both because we're going to jump around so much when we're talking

about Craig and Austin. There's stuff that was said in the first episode, the second episode,

we can just do it all together. It's way more congruent this way.

And I feel like the biggest takeaway, I would rather two action-packed episodes. And maybe we

miss a couple of things that we don't get to talk about that aren't like top of the list. Maybe

it's like somewhere in the middle. It's like, oh man, we didn't talk about that. But it's all right,

we'll listen to podcasts. Do you think they keep talking about it? No, they didn't in this. And I

think that that works with the Southern Charms, the Southern Hospitalities, those shows I think it

works. I think it works with a housewife show. It's just because of the duration in which they film,

there tends to be more to discuss. They don't need to discuss everything they do with the reunion.

It's mostly fluff. That's my entire point. I'm just saying I would be willing to miss out

on certain conversations to get two episodes that hit like this. At no point was I not engaged

for these two episodes. I'm not saying it was like the best reunion ever, but it was wildly

entertaining. And I was locked in. I was taking notes. I wasn't checking my phone. Things were happening.

And that's what, like you said, when you get a two, the two for, we get to talk about the important

shit. And we don't get bogged down by talking about Wittner's ranch for 20 minutes. For example,

in a three-parter, we would have talked about the farm for way too long. And we don't need to,

right? That's just worthless. So I thought it was well done. I thought Andy did pretty good.

I think he was just like just run of the mill this episode or these both. I like to grade him on

his reunions. This was standard. He didn't do anything stupid. So we love that. He didn't have to

hold anybody. He didn't have to do a whole lot, honestly. And usually when it comes to the Southern

Charmer Union, he's like in love with Craig in Austin. So he gives them a pass for so many different

things. He didn't have to do that this year. Like there was no motive. There was no like, all right,

you know, well, we'll just move on real quick so that we can save Craig from getting

fashed, which he didn't actually get fashed in either episode. Even though you walked off the first

part of the reunion saying that he was thinking about not coming back because he can't take it anymore.

But usually the way that Andy operates with this, he gives them a pass for a lot of behaviors.

And then he ends up getting called out for it. But this episode or these two episodes, you just

kind of let them talk. And that's what we were doing. Like, all right, go at it. Like have it out.

This is what we're going to do. And then you get the chimons from other people who are not really

involved that were there that can like add a little bit more context to whatever situation. And it just

it flowed really well. I think that's the best way to put it is it really flowed from start to

finish. And we didn't really have any stopages. We didn't have any like fluff or bullshit stories

in between. It was all really good content that we all really wanted to talk about. And I feel like

that first episode, especially, it just kind of hooked you right away. It's like, all right,

cool. We're going to get right into all of it. We're going to talk about all the hot button issues.

And then I know it's going to devolve from there. And that's honestly the way to do it with this group.

Yeah. And it's with the second part, the first part felt like set up. Because the second part,

we essentially talk about the same things just in more depth. Exactly. It gets more emotionally

charged. We start to dissect it a bit more. So it's almost like we teed it up in episode one,

then we knocked it down in episode two, which is a good way to do it as well. And we're going to

break this down not so much chronologically as it, it's just going to be like major points that

were discussed because I think like you said, you can break it down to about five people.

We've got Austin and Craig, obviously, then he got Charlie and Craig, Charlie and Sally, Charlie,

Sally and Craig, that whole debacle, the Austin and Sally and Audrey situation is another one.

And then the chimons throughout like the Vanita and Craig's, obviously, we got to talk about that

for a while, but we might pop around a little bit. But that's the whole point of this. So let's jump

right in. We're going to we're going to hit all the major points is really what we're going to do.

We're going to make sure that we don't leave any stones unturned. And it's almost like they did

this for us because they knew that we weren't going to record last week. So hey, let's just set

them up and knock them down. And then we'll give it to the bra bros to just go ahead and just

analyze everything. That's definitely what production was thinking when they did this. Thanks,

guys. There's a non-zero chance that they didn't listen to one of our podcasts complaining about

three partners. Like, yeah, it's not a high chance, but it's non-zero. It's non-zero.

Everything is technically non-zero. Correct. That's the world that I live in.

That's the universe that I live in. Anywho, let's start. Where do you want to start?

I'm going to start with Austin and Craig. Yeah, I mean, as all things do on this show,

let's start with Austin and Craig. Well, the big thing, obviously, that they're discussing is where

they're currently at. That's always the big question. They're where they always are at the end of

a season. They're always not friends anymore. It's always been too much. We just can't stay at

each other. So like, whatever, we just have to go our separate ways this that you're going to watch

throughout the reunion as Wittner points out. Wittner had some great diamonds. I thought he did a

good job in his first reunion. But he points out throughout. He's like, they're doing it right now.

The push pull thing. They pretty much swore off of each other, another giggling like school

children, like smirking at each other. It's like, yes, this is the toxic relationship that we've

all grown to love and hate. But my big issue out of the gate, I think if anybody on all of Bravo

TV needs to watch the season back, it's Craig. Because Craig's reality is not real reality.

As so many people on this stage point out, so if somebody should sit back and look to be like,

this is what we're talking about. Gregory, he needs to watch the show. I think we'll watch the show.

No, yeah. One of my favorite things that he does. And he said this before and we've heard this

from other people. He goes into, I think it's at the end of episode two. Yeah, I'm doing the work.

I'm putting it all the work. I'm trying to figure out what I need to do and what my next steps are.

I'm just not in a place where I can watch back this show. I just can't watch back my behavior. But

the entire first and second episode, he was excusing all of his behaviors and saying that you guys

pushed and brought at him to get to that point. And he gets to that point and it's like, okay,

so you can discuss everything that leads up to it. And then when you say and when we start talking

about the blowups that you have along the way, it's, well, you guys push me to get there.

That's the work that you should be doing is on the reaction. You've gotten to the point where you

can sit down and dinner and be like, yeah, you know, really got to work on my reactions.

But then we get to the reunion where, you know, obviously, it's not therapy. I mean, chat GPT's

right around the corner. You should go to your dressing room. But he's sitting there like, yeah,

I can't watch back that behaviors because like, I just don't want to see myself doing that. I know I

did it. I understand what I did. It was wrong. It's like, okay, that in your way is at least to you

anyway, that's you taking accountability. It's everybody else. It's like, like, we're past. We are

very well past the accountability stage. It's the fix it stage that we should be at. And you keep

saying you're fixing it, but there's, there's so many indications that you're not fixing anything. I

don't know what's going on. No, and that's kind of his go to, right? He uses a lot of emotionally

triggering words and phrases, very therapeutic phrases that he's learned from chat GPT more than

likely. And that's how he talks, right? Like that's, and I don't know if that's really how he talks

in real life. I wouldn't be shocked if this is his new way to communicate is just through therapeutic

terminology because it softens the blow or everything I suppose. But the big thing that we get into

an episode one with Austin and Craig, I have a feeling that the entire season started off

with Austin feeling some type of way because of the conversation that I have to go back to all the

fucking time and I don't like it. But the addiction thing, right? And I'm not talking about in

regards to like the alcohol. I think it's, it's more than that. I think the alcohol is a good

representation of, sure, use this situation. I think it's a celery. Yeah. Yeah. Right. As they

talk about later, I think the anger is the issue. I think alcohol accelerates. I'm more saying

the alcohol represents an excuse. It represents a way out of taking accountability and being held

to a certain standard that you want to hold the rest of the group to. But when they try to do it to

you, you roll your eyes and say, OK, he did that probably 15 times this entire episode when someone

had a criticism. I roll, OK, but my point is Austin, I think from the jump, looking at Craig's

behavior early in the season, probably in the off season, I think he looks back at this conversation

kind of as like the jumping off point of like, Oh, this guy just fucking gaslit the shit out of

me, manipulated me so he could get out of taking accountability for things that I wanted to talk

to him about. When he talked about that on stage, that may have been episode two. That to me felt

deeper. That to me felt like a root issue of where they're currently at. Yeah. And the funny thing

is if you look at any social media right now, they're friends again. So it doesn't really matter,

but they're on watch out for life together like a week or so. Well, anytime that they show up for

watch out for life, I think they just put on a face and just get through it. It's like 40 minutes

that they have to be together. So it's not a big deal. But they're traveling together. They're in

Colorado. They're doing the same trip that Craig did last year when we found out that him and

Paige broke up and all that shit happens. So yeah, I'm not even here to talk about their friendship.

We know what their friendship is. But for Austin in particular, I can see it too. I understand

he's struggling with it. And the problem is it. It's not really a problem because you know,

like I don't expect him to be there. I don't know if he has any like any sort of access to something

like this. But he can't really articulate what we've said pretty much the whole year where it's like,

yeah, dude, you sat down and manipulated me with that conversation. You said that you were an addict

so that I would stop and that I would back off and I wouldn't push you. But then you come back

and you do all of this. And look, I mean, if he is an addict and he's doing all of these things

and he's going to be like flip it and go back and forth, that's addict behavior. That happens.

Yes, it is. That is exactly what happens. So maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But he did say he was

and he said it to Austin in a moment of, hey, man, give me a moment. Like back off of me, let me get

through this. I'll try to figure it out and I'll get to the other side. And then when he gets to

the other side, it's, well, that doesn't fucking matter. Like I was drunk and I was doing this and

nothing I said really mattered at that point. You shouldn't feel any type of way about all of this.

So Austin's obviously demoralized by that conversation and he keeps going back to it. So every time

that Craig does something, Austin goes back to that conversation and he's like, I don't know what to

think about this. I don't know if I press you. I don't know if you were lying to me to get me off

your back. I think it's probably the former where I should be like, dude, you have a fucking problem.

You told me so yourself. But I don't know if I want to do that because it might not be worth it.

So Austin's got to be spinning so many fucking ideas in his head at all times. So that's why I really

don't blame him for not being able to articulate to Craig to the audience to Andy to everybody sitting

on that stage. Exactly how he feels because we can sit really far away from all of this. Just watch

it on TV and we're like, yeah, that's the problem. That's what's going on. But to be involved in that

situation, to be the quote unquote best friend in that situation, it's difficult for Austin. He doesn't

know what to do. I know. And you know, I find it hard to understand people that watch this and

don't think Craig manipulate situations. I just I don't understand how you can't see it. Even in

this moment when Austin brings up like you told me that you had a drinking problem. There's been a

lot of booze involved since then. Well, that was a year later. Yep. Oh, I I didn't know I had a

time frame. This is great. I can drink again. It's actually pretty miraculous. I know. What a miracle.

You share your secret. Help us. Help us all out here because my God. How did you figure it out

in a year and go back to drinking spray? That's it. Bingo. The empath spray must also cure

substance. I want to talk about the empath spray for a second because it's really funny in two ways.

The empath spray first off, he goes, yeah, I got it from this guy down in in Nashville. He gave me

this empath spray. So I use it today. And then when we're having the narcissist conversation a little

bit later, he's like, so you don't believe he's really pressing on that. So he definitely read the

definition of narcissists assuming that somebody was going to call him a narcissist. So he had it

ready to go. The whole fucking webster's dictionary just added disposal. He's like, so you don't

think I'm an empath. If you were an empath, would you need empath spray? Let's live on his level for a

second. Okay. Do you need the spray? Like, no, I don't think you do. Or is that really strong? And

then you want to take steroids to get stronger is that kind of what it is? Like, I'm a strong empath.

So let me add some spray to it and then I'm really going to be. And also, why would you need the

empath spray on a stage for people that are going, quote unquote, going after you and burying you?

Do you really want to be empathetic for those people? Probably not. So what's the empath spray for?

What are we doing? I don't know, but again, like therapeutic terms, right? He speaks from this place of

the man of France. I think what it does. Yeah, exactly. And I think what it does is he's attempting

to disarm people with how he speaks. And like, you kind of see it. You can watch it happen

on this stage. You can watch and disarm people. People that are pissed off at him. He's got this charm.

He does. He's got this southern charm about him. I'll say it. And it works. We watch it happen

with Sally in Mexico, where she started to like kind of lead the way, lead the charge on the apology

from him. Like, he just, he's good at this. He's very good at this. And when he uses these words,

when the narcissistic conversation comes up, do you think Craig's a narcissist? Unequivically,

yes, by the way. And Austin's like, yeah, I do. That's so fucking mean. That's the meanest thing

you could ever, how insulting brother. You told your quote unquote friend to his face that he's,

his life is a dead end that he hasn't done shit ever. You've talked a lot of shit about Austin.

And I'm not saying that one is worse than the other, right? I'm just saying, you seem to forget

all of these things. And then you inform us that you don't watch the show back, which makes a lot

more sense. But now I'm curious, if you do watch the show back, what are you seeing? Because we have

people all over the stage. Charlie, yeah, your definition of what's going on does not align with

mine a lot of the time. And this is kind of a shared thing. A lot of people see how he

is interpreting things. They're like, well, that's not what happened, Craig. And when you tell Craig

that his move is always some kind of spiritual sidestep. Well, I'm working on it. What do you expect

me to be good? No, I just want you to say, I'm sorry, period. Not I'm sorry, but I'm sorry.

I was going, you guys kept pushing so much further, right? The conversation would just kind of

dwindle. It would fizzle out pretty quickly. If you had like an actual heartfelt apology.

But again, because the way he spins it, especially in his own brain, he views these people as attacking

him. He views everybody on stage, like you guys are attacking me, which like I've already done

the mental gymnastics of like, yeah, what would this season look like if Craig wasn't there?

I don't really know. I mean, I assume there would be other things going on. But for this season,

in particular, not a lot happens if you remove Craig. There's not a lot going on. Like you got

Austin and Sally and then what do you have? Not a whole lot to be honest. So I agree in that sense.

But the other problem that I have is I think Bravo and maybe reality TV as a whole, they have a

narcissist problem. Everybody's a narcissist now. I don't know. I mean, I'm in no fucking position

to be like, oh, this person is this person isn't this person. Everybody brings it up. It's a word

that just gets thrown around all the time. It's the new trigger word. It's just so goddamn annoying

like, shut up, figure out a new word, grab a source and just figure out something else. Like,

let's just take another gig for a narcissist. I don't know if there is one. I mean, that would

actually be the most narcissistic thing ever is if there was no synonym for it. Wouldn't it? That

would be so cool. Actually, that would be meta as hell. Just fucking metamaxing, bro.

Dude, metamaxing all this way. Now, yeah, well, they still don't really hit the,

yeah, like the closest relevance is like ego-tist, ego-maniac, jerk, ego-centric. That's not

ego-centric. Ego-centric would be a much better word to go after people like. But it's softer.

Is that why it's better? It's softer. No, I think it's just like, I feel like everyone on

these shows are ego-centric. They're on reality TV. They have to be a certain degree. Correct. Yeah,

that is extremely true. But I don't know. I'm just tired of fucking here. To be honest,

and again, Craig had that definition ready to go assuming it was going to happen. That shows you

that the people who are ego-centric, the people who are the head of, you know, creating issues and

making it all about themselves on these shows, they're expecting you to call them a narcissist.

I mean, every housewife reunion that we've had in the last like six years,

somebody's a narcissist, and you go to Miami, they were all calling each other narcissists. So,

I don't know. That was funny. I'm fucking, that one was funny because everybody was a narcissist.

We had a narcissist party. It was great. It's when they used it as like a dig. It's like, I'm really

going to get under your skin. This did get under Craig's skin, at least it seems it did. But I,

I just don't know. I mean, again, I don't care about Austin and Craig's friendship because they're

going to be fine, and then they're not going to be fine, and then they're going to be fine again.

When it comes to Craig not watching back the show, I've seen him before, maybe not this season,

or it was like last year, he said before like, they didn't show any of the parts of what I was doing

in my day to day life. They didn't show me down working. They didn't show me. He did say that

this year. So yeah, perfect. That's exactly what I'm talking about. So you are at the very least

having people send you updates. Like, I don't know if you're your assistant is sending you

updates or you've got somebody working for you that's looking at all the shit. I'm being like,

hey, they didn't show this. They didn't show that. But in some way, it's making it up. Yeah,

exactly. Or he's just flat out lying and saying that he doesn't watch it. When in reality,

he's watching it in the dark every Thursday night. Or he is. That's not what I mean. I mean,

he's not watching. And he's making up that they're not showing the good parts of me.

Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, that is a really good point. I mean, that's definitely possible

as well, because I don't know any other way that they wouldn't be showing, especially when they

have those goofy little clips at the beginning of episode. So I don't know. I like, I think that

and we talked about this before we even started recording. All in all, I think Craig kind of

got out of this for union. Like, I know that he had the theatrics. He had the dramatics. He's

threatened to leave the show a couple times. Like, that's obviously very like, give me sympathy.

Like, I'm going to leave you guys if you don't back off with me. Like, that's what he does.

That's manipulation. But again, they just stop. They always get to a point and they feel like

either they've made their point and he's not going to be able to progress past that. But if you

really want to get to him, if you really want him to actually understand what's going on,

you do have to go past that line. And they never go past that line. They always stop. And they

just kind of like let him go. Like, I thought this season in particular, I thought he was going to

get bashed to hell. And then this was pretty tame. Like, yeah, I mean, they talked about him a lot,

but did he really get bashed? Not really. Is it, to me, it just defaults to

after you continue to talk to him about the same thing for a while and you watch his responses

to every topic, right? Regardless of who it is, it could be about the Veneta situation,

which I'm not saying that Veneta is not blameless in that at all. She, she started a lot of shit

there. So that is not going to say for sure. But I'm just naming different scenarios that we had

in every scenario, he acts the same. So when someone else goes, it's my turn now to talk about,

well, I have going on with Craig. It's the same exact conversation. So at a certain point,

I'm assuming they're just like, look, especially the veterans are like, we've seen this year in

a year out, nothing's going to change. We know what he's going to say. It's not worth it. That's

where I think we get to. It's just not worth it for them. Which I get in every social setting

in normal life. Right. For reality TV, we got a push. Reality TV, you have to push, but also it's

an excuse to just go no-holes barred. Just get after him. Like, this is scary. That's what it is.

They're scared of him. They are frightened of him. They're worried about, okay, if I go too hard

at him at the reunion and he comes back and he's filming the next year, what am I in for?

Is he going to go after me? For Austin, in particular, what secrets does Craig have that he can

reveal about Austin, same with Craig, or same with Chef, same with everybody on the cast who refuses

to call him out? And maybe even Sally, like, throw Sally in there because I just feel like there's

so many different ways that they could have approached this. And it's like, you guys just did the

same thing that you always do. I would agree that Austin had a much better season in terms of

standing up to Craig and standing up for himself. But when it comes to the reunion, when it's like

time to really just take the gloves off and get after it and just talk about everything,

they always hit a line when they just stop. And then, yeah, obviously, he's going to act like it's

the worst thing ever. But it could have been so much worse. Yeah, I agree. And I do think that Austin's

got a bit of a victim complex. I think Craig does too on that matter. But I do think that he

leans into it sometimes rather than pushing because it's easier to just be like, whoa, is me a

little bit instead of being like, well, time out, I've got something to say about that, which I wish.

Like Benita said, stand up for yourself more because he gets to the point where he's like, all right,

Craig, like, this is what I'm talking about. Yeah. Instead of going that route, expound on that,

right? Go further into what you're talking about. Not that it's going to land on Craig,

but it'll probably feel good to get it out and actually articulate exactly what's going on.

But when you look through like the instances in this episode alone, right? And I know I said

unequivocally Craig's a narcissist. I don't know if Craig's a narcissist. And like, the other

side of this coin is like, we shoot and I both had like pseudo friendship with Craig. Like,

we've talked to him a bunch of times. You went to their show. We've always liked Austin Craig.

So the people in the comments are like, you guys just want to bash Craig. It's I'm rooting for Craig.

He's not giving me a lot of hope with shit. And when he goes after something that's very personal to

me in recovery and addiction and uses that as a shield and then takes shots all the next season. And

in the reunion says it was a year later. Like that, I take that personally. And maybe that's my

own fault. I don't know. It's not your fault necessarily. But of course, like who could expect you

not to take offense to that? And on my end, it's I get annoyed with Craig not even necessarily

because it's Craig or Craig zone actions. I get annoyed with the whole cast. I get annoyed with

the whole show because I know that there's so much more. Like even Andy said, I feel like this is

the best group that we've had. You guys are all hanging out together. You guys go off camera.

You're going out on the weekends. You're hanging out when there's no filming going on. Like

they are pretty close knit. And they're a bunch of very interesting people in so many different

ways. And every single season, it's how can I make my storyline this and that it always becomes

Craig and Austin centric? And a lot of times in an recent memory, it's been just Craig centric.

I'm just kind of tired of it. I know a lot of people still want to do it. And Andy even said it,

like pretty much verbatim. This is what we want to see. This is why we tune into Southern charm.

It's because of Austin and Craig. And it's just not like I'm bored. I'm just down right

bored with the whole thing. So again, it's not really like I'm not attacking Craig personally. I

think he's kind of a fuckhead. But like who on reality TV isn't a bit of a fuckhead, to be honest.

So he's going to have his moments, whatever. I'm just tired of the stick. And look, I'm assuming

Craig and Austin are probably tired of the stick too because they do pit them against each other

in certain situations all the time. So let's just move past it. Let's move on. Hey, you guys can

be friends or not be friends, but stop giving them so much camera time and stop putting them

against each other. I think that's a big part of it. I think it's going to go on regardless

of whether or not they're front and center. But we should point the camera at a different storyline.

But since, you know, we have to talk about the reunion and a lot of things happened. We will,

hopefully, this is the last time that it's like a Craig centric recap. That would be lovely.

But you know, to tie a bow in the Austin thing, Austin and Craig, like as you look through their

interactions on this stage, and this is a part of it where I'm like, all right, well, maybe he's not

a narcissist. Maybe he's just delusional as fuck and doesn't understand because when Craig

explains his side of things, he's either so narcissistic that it's incredibly convincing that he

actually believes these things. I don't think that's it. I think that he genuinely sees things happening

and occurring differently. I don't think that he recognizes like when he's like, I checked Sally,

like I had to like in front of her mom. Now, dude, you fucking yelled at Sally in front of her mom

and made her cry. Well, that's not how you know, like you have all of these these events where he's

involved and his recap of it is nowhere close to what actually happened and what how he affected

the person's emotions. Charlie's the best example in the world. That's my favorite example because

you look at this, they hung out for what? Two months, 80, they dating, they run on like two dates,

probably a couple more off camera. I'll give Craig that one. But you look at that situation,

get to the end of the situation and he says, you love bombed me. It's like in what fucking world?

What are you talking about? See, there I have a very sneaky suspicion that Charlie is a little shady.

I think there's just a way that that whole thing played out like I think it's I actually laughed

out loud at the love bombing thing because he's like, who who could have thought that I'd be the one

sitting here with the correct term of love bombing? Well, I mean, I don't think so. I mean,

you say that you don't have any moves, but you're a little love bombing too. And you were doing it

to Sally. Little guys, you've got there. So you get to sit there and look at her and be like, yeah,

you know, she loved bombing me. Like maybe she did. Maybe she did. Maybe it was a mutual

love bombing. I don't fucking care. It doesn't really matter because it amounts to nothing.

And it doesn't matter at all. And we all agreed when it came down to it with the Mexico thing.

Of course, she's going to move on. Like that was the great move. That is the correct which we never

see on reality TV. Usually we see what Sally would probably do, which when we were joking about it,

when they were in Mexico, when Sally and Craig are talking and Craig apologizes to Sally in that

moment, we looked at Sally and we're like, fuck, she's still got the hots for them. She would give

him another chance in a heart rate if it were to come around and Austin was not on board with dating

her. Like it would happen in a heartbeat. So yes, that's very funny. But when it comes to Charlie,

when she did that, I'm like, that's the right move. Like no, you're wrong, Craig. Like you doing that

and blowing up every person in the world, look at that and be like, yeah, I don't want to date

this person seriously. I don't want this person, especially now knowing when we talk about this in a

second, with him yelling at Sally in front of her mom. Like that was something that everybody

saw. So Charlie was privy to that, still gave him a chance, then saw the thing in Mexico and then

decided to drop him. So no, I'm not fighting into the whole love bomb situation. Nor do I really

care. No, but I think my bigger issue, you know, especially when she starts to get upset and

emotional, then you look at like the stage as a whole. I like Austin. You know that. Yeah.

We have too many fuck boys from Charleston telling women how they feel. And that bothered the

shit out of me because you have Kyle Cook moves down there. Oh God, I know, right? He probably will.

But I've been thinking you're out for like that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, that does make a

lot of sense. Wow, that's a good call. And a man is raising the Sun in the house and in this city

and Kyle goes to Southern charm. That makes so much sense. That's such an easy trade. Wow.

I'll get back to my point. I need to say.

So, but my point is, you know, the best way to sum it up, he's telling Charlie, you know,

all of these things are so close and like, it's not fair for you to say it was all Mexico. Brother,

it was all Mexico. She may have been one foot in one foot out, but then you're going to take

it a step further and arguably blame Charlie for the van blow up. Well, as she said, she was one

foot in one foot out. So I already felt rejected and, oh, well, it's me. You felt rejected,

but here's the biggest takeaway for me because Charlie's telling him to his face. It was Mexico.

That was the turning point. That's why I decided I don't want to date this guy.

By telling her that it's not fair for you to say that, your biggest argument on stage, Craig,

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relationship. Now, you're saying slimy things under the guise of talking about your feelings,

trying to manipulate the situation, but the biggest point, you are talking about your feelings.

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but we're supposed to take your feelings into account and believe you wholeheartedly,

but no one else's feelings on the stage matter. Only your feelings. That again,

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I think we, you know, they're obviously going to come up against we talk about other stuff.

But I think we got to the root of that one enough,

at least how we feel about the whole situation. Yeah.

So where do you want to head next there, pals? We talk a little Sally in Austin.

Oh, you want to go on a try. Then we'll go south. That'll lead us into the

Salih Austin. That'll be incredible. All right, let me get my notes on the love triangle.

Hold on. I can't remember. Is that one or two?

Love triangle's the end of one, I believe.

Now, obviously, this was a bit of a wild love triangle.

And we watched it from start to finish.

I think the biggest takeaway for me.

We are Sally fans here. This is not the biggest takeaway.

But just to address this, we are Sally fans. That comes across obviously if you listen to this.

Do I think that she is entirely blameless in the whole scenario? No, I don't.

But when we look at this thing across the board, how it started out, right?

She feels dejected. And actually, I thought she did a good job of explaining the Charlie part of

it all because her biggest concern with that whole thing. Then I thought Madison slammed dunked

on both of them, which was great. But her biggest issue was like, it's not even so much that you

were hanging out with Craig, which is bullshit. That was a big part of it too. But the other part

of it was the lie. Like you didn't tell me. We were all in a group chat together called the

cult. It was the hot tub hangout crew. Then you guys split off of the group. You're texting

your face timing daily. You know I have feelings for the guy. This goes back to the last episode

of the season. We find out that Sally legit texted Charlie saying I have feelings for Craig. I

wish I didn't. So she was very aware of this whole situation. That's where I agree with you.

I do think Charlie's a little bit shady because of this situation. Not so much because I don't believe

for even half a second that she would love bombed Craig at all. I don't believe that Craig held

her hand and she said, I'm not seeing anybody else Craig. That stuff. I don't know. But that's,

you know what? We need to all get ahead of this one too. No more love bombing. I don't want to hear

it. This is probably only the second time that we've heard this at a reunion. No more. We're done

with it. I don't want to hear it. You guys are going to use it and you're going to use the hell out

of it. And it's never going to actually apply. And this is the first time, but I'm cutting it off now.

We're done with it. Go on. I think that's that's no, no, you're you're fine.

But now the whole thing with my theory on Sally being a little shady or being a little secret

Charlie is yes with Charlie. Thank God. This is the last episode. I can't keep doing this.

But yeah, my whole thing with Charlie being a little bit shady is this whole situation.

She just happens. She says the right thing like it does make sense when you say, I wanted to see

if I had feelings with this guy outside of you. We all know how Sally was acting. We all know what

was going on. However, we can't ignore the facts. Sally was absolutely into Craig from what we

could see Craig was clearly into Sally. Once Charlie came along, then Craig lost interest in Sally

and started pursuing Charlie, which is not there. Can you say that again louder? Yeah, it's just

it's it's abnormal to me that people are going to think this and that's the other funny thing is

people will we go after like we're talking about Craig's behaviors and then we'll be like,

yeah, but Sally's fucking great for TV. They take that as us being like Sally's a great person.

Like, no, they're not mutually exclusive. They can be great for TV and a terrible fucking person.

Not that Sally isn't a terrible fucking person, but she just does stupid shit. And that's fine.

It works. They work great for TV. But for Charlie, you knew that going into this. We had a whole

discussion. We had multiple discussions. Sally downright told you, stay away from Craig. I'm going

to guess which funny, weird, but you knew that she was interested. And then as soon as you and Craig

started talking, you were very secretive about it. You can spin it into this. I wanted to see if I

had any feelings if it was going to go anywhere and you were being very negative about Craig. Of

course, she was being negative about Craig because those two were flirting up a storm until you

showed up and he spurned her. She didn't get a warning. She just immediately got left in the

dust, which she didn't know what to do. And you're her quote unquote best friend, which is very

funny when Madison says that at the end, but you're her quote unquote best friend. You knew that.

You knew all of these things going into it. You didn't give a fuck. Just say that you didn't give a

fuck. But instead you say, well, you know, I just wanted to see what was going to happen. And it

all makes sense, but it doesn't excuse the fact that you did all those things along the way.

So that's why I think she's a little sneaky. Yeah, I agree. And I think that that's something that

kind of flies under the radar because Craig's a lunatic. Yeah. But when you look at the friendship

between Sally and Charlie, as you said, like nobody, not one single person watching at home,

hanging out with you guys on the show, reading about this in page six, not one person questioned

whether or not Sally had feelings for Craig. She made it very apparent. And that goes back to

then like the Craig part of this love triangle. I think one, I think he loves being wanted. I think

that's a big thing. And I honestly can understand after like the page thing, it probably feels good

to be like, oh, wow, people do want me. So like that part I can shock up to whatever. But in this

situation, you're, you're going to make Sally feel insane because you're acting like you never

once had feelings. Andy brings up the text message, right? Well, you could have stayed over. Yeah,

you know, but I was saying, like, of course, you can always stay, stop. Please, like that's not

only are you lying. You're making Sally feel even dumber and she feels stupid as shit. And look,

that's not cool. That could have been, and I know again, this is, you know, Monday morning,

quarterbacking, but it would have been so much easier to just say, yeah, Sally and I were flirting.

I really like to be attention. I didn't really know if anything was there, but I was enjoying the

whole process. And then Charlie came along and I was like, wow, I'm really into her. If you just

said that, yeah, I mean, it's going to make Sally feel like shit in the moment. It's going to sting.

But you've already done much worse by your behaviors leading up to you just exiting stage left to go

and hang out with Charlie, that if you just said that and confirmed it, Sally would get over it.

At least there's an answer to all of this. Like, okay, thank you. Now I know the funny thing is,

Sally somehow was so behind, like behind the eight ball, the entire season on what was going on

with Charlie and Greg to the point where she couldn't even fathom the fact that they may have kissed her

head and blew up at that party. She fucking, maybe not. So you know what? Maybe not. Maybe I take

everything I just said back, but it wouldn't for the audience at least be like, thank you, dude.

Like, yeah, we all know that's what was going on. And by the way, it's a little, it's a little

shitty, but it's not that big of a deal at the end of the day. What you ended up doing by

stringing her along and then continuing to string her along while you were talking to Charlie,

her best friend was shitty. It was definitively shitty. If you just cut it off and you were like,

yeah, dude, like, I don't know. I'm just kind of into Charlie. I want to let Sally down. If there

was any conversation that you could have with Chef or Austin along the way where you said that,

you wouldn't have done yourself a lot of favors, but instead you were complicit to it. So that's

the other piece of the Charlie thing where Charlie's being very secretive about it. Craig always says,

yeah, you know, Charlie just didn't want to talk about it. You're your own man. You're an adult.

You could talk to other people. You're in a reality TV show. Like, this is actually good reality TV.

If you were to talk about it, but you were complicit in her hiding it. So you can't, that doesn't mean

you put it all on Charlie. Like, this was Charlie's call. I was staying out of it. You were flirting

with Sally. She's in your hot tub cold. You can tell her. You can tell other people, but you didn't.

And you rode that wave until Charlie let you go. And then you started the bash Charlie right afterwards

to Sally where you knew that was going to hit. So the whole thing is completely fucked. And there was

so many ways like looking back at the season. There's so many train stops where you could have gotten

off. Could have gotten off. Could have gotten off. And you wrote it all the way to the end and now you're

sitting here like, I just don't understand why people are going after me. Why? What do you mean? Like,

how do you not watch the season from the love of God? Period. Like that would change hopefully

so many things or it wouldn't. And would just like further his delusions. I'm not entirely sure

anymore. But I don't know with Sally. It was just too obvious for you to chalk it up to I

and then to say things like, you know, I was more drawn towards like a sister. Like, don't do that.

That's such a he seems to think that by him feeling differently about a situation. Like,

that's my feelings that it exonerates him that he's allowed to change the narrative. Say what he

wants because that's how I feel about it. But you steamrolled Sally. And yeah, like we can play

the game because we're going to get the comments from people. I know already it's like, well,

Sally was all over him. Then she jumped right. She was. Yeah. Yes. She was. So why?

Right. Exactly. So the fuck what? Why is that? What's worse? You and Craig being together,

you getting dumped and just in like a crazy emotional fashion. Like, no, I don't have any feelings

towards you. Sorry about the chickens. And then you go after a guy who is now single. And yes,

you did make comments before he was single. But he is actually now single. And now you're throwing

yourself at him or emotionally dumping or leading a girl on and then going with her best friends.

What's worse? Like, that's a question to the audience for all the people that are going to give

us that shit about Craig. Yeah. It's just that I don't understand how we sidestep all of the obvious

issues here. But it does lead us to Sally and Austin and Audrey, arguably another love triangle.

And this made me sad for Sally. Like, actually sad for Sally. And yeah, again, like,

let's understand that, you know, she's an asshole for how she handled this whole thing.

She owes Audrey all of the apologies. Her sitting there making faces while they're talking

about Audrey is insane. Like, you want to watch what happens live and talked about Austin before

they had broken up. Like, you talked about this guy to Matt, like, it's unbelievable.

I just thought of this. If you were going to be with Craig, he did not think that Craig was going

to have to field questions and talk about his relationship with Paige and how much he misses it.

Right. I mean, look at what he said to Charlie. He would have quote-unquote chosen Charlie over

Paige at that moment, even if Paige wanted him back. So, like, you would have been in a much bigger

world of hurt if you were with Craig and he kept talking about Paige or just, like, reminiscing

on this time with that last relationship versus Austin who was freshly out of a relationship,

even set on camera. Like, this is the first time I had to break up with somebody that I actually

love for other reasons. And yeah, again, with this whole situation, Austin could have just kept

it simple. Like, I'm sorry, you know what? Like, I got out of a relationship. I, like, I don't know,

you could even extend it all of branch to Craig and be like, dude, I understand how you feel.

Like, I was in a relationship. It didn't go the way that I wanted it to. It just really wasn't

working out. We couldn't figure the whole thing out. I was pretty downtrodden about the whole thing.

And then I realized, like, I can have some fun and I can burn off some steam and I can figure

some things out. And unfortunately, Sally was right there in Sally. I'm sorry, but I just don't see

a relationship with you. It was really fun. Well, while it lasted, it was a good time, especially

down in Mexico. And then when we got back to Charleston, presumably, so leave it at that. Then he

starts like attacking her personal, the character. It was awful. Dude, what the fuck are we doing? Why

do you need to go there? And I know the questions are a little leading and you're going to get

questions from Andy and the questions from the fans are all pouring in, but you still don't have

to talk about that. You don't have to say anything about Sally's character. That's deplorable.

Just leave it. Like, we get it. We understand up until that point where you are. You got out of

a longer relationship. You didn't know what you want. You were kind of spiraling a little bit

and you had Sally right there who was throwing herself at you. We all saw it. You can say that.

And then just say, and I don't really know if I want to get into a relationship right now,

because I couldn't handle the last one and I broke up with her. And I got to figure my shit out.

All of the normal tropes just throw those out there and that's fine. You can end it right there.

But instead, and like, obviously, Sally is still pining for attention and she's still saying to

everybody like, I would get a new relationship with him right away. I think we could be end-game.

Of course. That's brutal to say. But you often do not have to be reactionary to that. You can say,

I know where she stands. I'm just not ready. And then everybody would understand that you just

move on. Instead, you're like, well, I mean, I don't want to be with a bar rat.

Yeah. What the fuck? Why? What are you? Why?

Like, that was crazy. You own a bar.

It was just crazy. Like, the line of, I guess it wasn't questioning just like

where he took this conversation. One, I'm proud of Rod and other people on that stage

for going to bat for Sally, Madison, for pointing out these irregularities in what Austin was saying.

These inconsistencies like, what are you talking about? None of this tracks.

And I'm glad Madison, as much as probably stung to hear, you sound like you're embarrassed.

All of us watching at home thought the same thing. It's like, wow, this looks like shit.

I know what you're doing. You're trying to rectify the Audrey situation on national TV.

Sally doesn't have to burn down for that. Like, you can go after Sally for how she acted

in going after Austin. Absolutely. 100%. Austin, you're complicit in that.

You don't get to take that route. And you're sitting there saying,

you turned into such a misogynistic asshole. Like, yeah, it was crazy. You're calling

Europe. No, I was asking you to. No, push to do anything. And you still did.

And then you bring a body count. When he said body count, my jaw hit the floor.

I was like, we're talking body count right now. Why do you go? Let's just talk about your

fucking body count, dude. What it was happening? I literally wrote down what the fuck is going on

right now. It was so weird how it took its turn. And it starts blaming. Yeah. And he starts

blaming people on the stage. And it's like, no, all they did was point out what you are doing

to Sally. And like, Sally's still sitting there just, unfortunately, just taking this on the

chin and still like, I think he'd be a great husband. He'd do this. He'd do that. And all he's

trying to say is like, yeah, more or less his summation of that was, she's not good enough for me.

And then Madison jumping and going, you have to act like a wife. You want to be a wife. Why do we

hold Sally to a different standard? This is what pissed me off about a lot of the comments that

we got this year. Well, Sally's too easy. Sally says, fuck you. She's allowed to live her

fucking life. She's a single woman. Is she a little wacky? Yeah. Sure. But there's a lid for

every pot. She's allowed to go out and drink three, four nights a week if that's what she wants to do.

She's allowed to do whatever the fuck she wants. We shouldn't have these standards for her,

especially on this stage with Shep Craig Austin. Absolutely not. Are we going to sit here and shame

her for living her fucking life? You can get on her about the Audrey shit. Absolutely. That was

fucked up. You can say she's quirky and weird and not your cup of tea. I will not sit here and

talk about body counts and be also a rat. This is also like the weird colloquialism of the south

when Madison goes into, well, maybe you should act like a wife and then you could be a wife.

Yeah. Fuck that. Dude, right. That. Yeah. So she should just be sitting at home and she should

just be cooking homecooked meals. Barefoot and cooking in the kitchen. What are we doing?

And they're like, now we're playing semantics. We're like, how many days a week do you go out?

How many days make fuck off? Let her go. She's got a good job. She's celebrating. She's still young.

She wants to have fun. She wants to hook up with people in Charleston. She's not tied down in a

relationship. Who the fuck cares? By the way, how are you supposed to get the husbands if you're at

home cooking meals and not going out and acting like a wife? Like, I just I don't. I try that one.

That one really pissed me off because I'm like, yeah, what the fuck up Madison? You would be doing

the exact same thing and I love Madison, but you would be doing the same thing if you didn't

eat bread. Like, give me a fucking break. You'd be party. Like, what's the problem? I was so confused.

I was so disappointed in Austin. I was like, wow, this is arguably your worst showing in a very

long time. Like, like, my biggest thing for that whole situation is you didn't have to do anything.

Anything. Just you could actually play and you broke up with Audrey and still I'm going to say you

can play the victim. You could easily play the victim and be like, yeah, my heart was broken. It

didn't work out. I didn't know what I wanted and I got a little erratic and I'm sorry, Sally. I

still want to be really good friends with you and then move on. We don't need you and I know that

they all pressured them to like kiss on stage and talk about their relationship and you get the

the peanut it gallery to like just chiming in like, hey, you guys are fucking like, why don't you

just tell everybody? Like, who cares about any of that? It's really what Austin said afterwards.

That's the big problem. Yeah, and I'm glad Andy went to bat for, you know, great job, beautiful,

all these great things like she would bend over backwards for you. She says as much. I would do

your laundry. I would cook for you. I'd do everything. And Andy saying like, yeah, she's the catch

of a lifetime. Like, I'm sick of the, you can be not a Sally fan for a lot of reasons that I'll

be like, alright, that's fine. Not that. That's fucking dumb. Like, it's 2026. Who fucking cares, dude?

What are we talking about? And like you said, so avoidable. So avoidable. Take the responsibility

for the Audrey thing. Yeah, I burned her with this. It was a bad look. I feel like shit. She

still pissed off at me as Rod tells us own that and apologize to Sally. Don't drag her. Say any

of the things that you said, hey, just got out of a relationship. I was a little confused.

Didn't know what I wanted. You were there. We had some fun. I'm not ready.

Not. No, you're a little too loose for me, hun. Like, what the fuck's going on?

It was crazy. Where to next, pal?

Should we go Charlie and Craig now just knock out all the relationships stuff? Yeah, I guess

that would mean that we end on the need and Craig, right? Yeah, which is, you know, we can end with

Madison too, just a quick touch on some of her ship. But yeah, let's go Charlie and

like going how we expect it to. I'm more talking about some of the comments that she made throughout

this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with Charlie first season here, obviously. And

yes, being this group is wildly overwhelming. I'm sure it's a lot of quirky people, a lot of big

personalities, a lot of, a lot of backstabbing. But you'll get used to it. And that's, I do think

it's funny when Craig makes points like, you know, talk to me in six years. I'm like, actually,

it's probably a little valid. Like, there's probably some validity to that one. This stuff definitely

wears on you. But I do not think that we can blame Sally for the doubt and fall of Charlie and

Craig. That doesn't make sense. If anything, Craig was the one that was consistently bringing

up Sally to Charlie. Charlie was trying to avoid the topic as a whole. As we know, she is currently

dating Justin from Southern hospitality. But as far as like the her and Craig situation,

at any point, from what we saw, did you feel like she led her on knowing that the downfall

was Mexico and his behavior, not other things that caused this to fall apart?

No, I mean, it was kind of a funny thing that we talked about the whole season was

they kept acting like they were in this secret relationship and it was really blossoming into

something special and never so much going on. But we didn't see a whole lot from the two of them.

So they didn't go on more dates. Like, we probably would have seen it. I would imagine. I mean,

yeah, maybe there was a check in here and there. So no, along the way, I mean, it just made total

sets like, yeah, after everything that we heard and all of your behaviors and all the things that

were going on, it seems like Charlie gave you a pass way too many times. And then that one was a

huge thing and she decided to cut it off. It was a no-brainer. The line that sticks in my head,

at some point in the season, she brings up. That wasn't the first time this has happened,

but at least the other times, there was a reason with like an inflection at the end because the

other blow-ups were like, you could argue they were provoked. Like, you go back to the literary

party. There was at least a cause to the effect. Like, the van, as everybody says, was an absolute

just tornado. That's what we'll end on. We'll end on the van. That's a good spot for one. But

I just think it's nuts. And like, I think I hope that Craig can work on himself and that he

comes out a different person. I'll say that. But I think the situation with Charlie really highlights

his view of everything versus everyone else's view of everything because the way that Charlie's

talking, and I'm not saying that she didn't have future plans here and there, like some cute little

like, oh, yeah, like pillow talky type shit. I don't know. I didn't see the text. I didn't see

their face times. But do you think that any of this because of the proximity to the page thing,

do you think that some of this was Craig felt something again and it got really exciting and

he got a little over his skis too early without a doubt in my mind. Like, there's no question at all

that that's exactly what happens. Like, I believe him when he says that he actually had feelings

for it. Like, I think that played out pretty well. I think, you know, you can just look at just

this season, look at how he was with Sally in the beginning of the season versus with Charlie.

It was vastly different. Like, all of those things are right there. It's just the way that he handled it

that we have problems with. But when it comes to Charlie, like, yeah, I mean, we were waiting for that.

We weren't expecting Craig to come into this season being a perfect person. We didn't expect him

to do all the things that he did throughout the season. But we weren't expecting perfect. We were

expecting a little downtrodden. We were expecting him to be sad. We were expecting him to be a little

sensitive to certain things. We were expecting him to try to, I mean, honestly going into the season,

I thought he was going to really align with Austin and Craig or with Austin and Chip and he didn't

do that. He actually couldn't be further apart from the two of them. So it was a very weird season

for him. But when it comes to Charlie, like, yeah, I kind of expected this. Like, this is the first time

that he got into a quasi relationship. He started having feelings for somebody and he got a

ratic. He got in his own head, which of course he's going to do. He's told us a million times.

Like, I believe that too. He gets in his head a lot about a lot of shit. That's why he has no game

when he's talking to these girls and he doesn't need it because of who he is. But yeah, that totally

makes sense to me. That's, I think a big proponent of this that wasn't really discussed at all. Not

during the season, not on stage. Yeah. I think they were in two different places in this whole thing

as well. I think Charlie saw this as like, it's pretty clear from the fact she was talking to other

people. And I do believe that she told Craig to go back on Raya. I think Craig heard that and

thought it was a joke genuinely. I think he's like, I'm of course about going back on Raya. I love

you. But I think that she was looking at this is like, yeah, you know, I'm dating around. I'm

dating this guy. I'm talking to Justin. I'm talking to Craig. We'll see what happens. I kind of

like Craig. We're going to see where it goes. And you get lines from Craig where he's like,

I was perfect all season till then. No, you weren't. You were terrible. You were awful this season.

And Charlie still gave you a chance. And then you went to Mexico and everything blew up. But

my take away from it is they were in two different positions from the jump. How they were looking

at this whole thing. I think that that Charlie is ever so slightly shady in regards to Sally,

not to Craig in regards to Sally and that whole thing. I think that as you said, I think two or

or three weeks ago, what was this going to be anyway? This whole relationship is built on a lie.

It's built on hiding things. It's built on this facade of like, oh, it's like this secret love

blossoming. And we're fucking burning your best friend in the process. Like this was never going

to be something amazing. And I think that when Craig, he exacerbates things by speaking in high

verbally about what they had. It's like, brother, you guys, did you kiss more than twice?

This wasn't that serious. I don't know. And that's the funny thing when it comes to Craig is,

I, for all of this, for the Charlie stuff in particular, for, you know, like overplaying his hand

when it comes to their relationship and looking at it way differently, I'm giving him a full

bloom pass. Like, of course, he's going to think that way. He was in like a four year relationship

where he thought he was going to get married and if we're supposed to believe him, he bought a

ring. He was going to get married to that girl. And then his whole world came, I said if we're

supposed to believe him, I know, I just made a face. Yeah. But like, and then his whole world came

crashing down. If he gets into a relationship or starts dating somebody and he has real feelings,

of course, he's going to move too fast. This is Craig we're talking about. He built a whole house

for page so that she would move down there without actually talking about moving to Charleston,

without having a real conversation about it or having any sort of loose confirmation that she

was going to do that. So of course, he's going to jump in head over heels. And of course,

Charlie's going to feel it out because she wants to see if anything's there. And if it aligns,

they would still be dating, but it didn't align. And unfortunately for Craig, that's health

dating works. Things happen. You guys don't see eye to eye on things. And I might even just

talking about you screaming in people's faces. Other things I'm sure popped up along the way.

And Charlie was keeping her options open. She's not willing to admit it. But I, she was talking

other people. And I don't fucking care. You're early on. You guys went on like three dates,

four dates, maybe max. You guys dated for a couple of weeks. Like, yeah, she's probably still talking

to other people or running into other people. And she's still single quote unquote. So it's not

a big deal. You guys never had that conversation. And if you did, we would actually see that because

it would have happened during the season, but you were still so worried about the sally of it all

that it never really mattered and never really got to that point. So it was never going to be

anything. But again, I would not blame Craig if he thought that it was going to turn into this

beautiful thing where it's like, wow, the universe pushed me away from page. And I thought that I was

dead. And now I've got Charlie. Like, of course, he's going to think that way. He's a romantic at the

end of the day. Yeah, that's that's kind of where I see this thing going awry out of the gate. And

then obviously everything that happened thereafter. But all right, that takes us to have Anita and Craig.

Are we there now? Yeah. All right. Let's jump into that. So I think a big thing here.

And if you look across the board with some of some of the situations that Anita got involved in

this season, I think are kind of a microcosm of her issues that she gets into as a whole.

Yeah, allow me to explain the Craig thing, the Craig situation. You didn't have to say that

stuff on file files, right? Now, like you decided to comment on their relationship on multiple podcasts.

We weren't aware that you were friends with page, which maybe you are. I have no idea.

But you entered the conversation. I'm not saying you can't do that. It's a reality TV. It's

Bravo. You're allowed to do this shit to drop up some drama. But when shit then hits the fan,

now it's got to go back and forth. Now it's a thing. You made it a thing. Now it's a thing. So

then Craig goes on. He responds. You respond. He responds. That's how this is supposed to go

back and forth. You're supposed to volley this shit until there's either some kind of resolve

or you guys never speak again. But if you look across the board, her issues with Molly,

why are you telling Sally that Molly got her vagina surgery paid? First, why are you telling

her period? Second of all, why are you telling her that somebody else paid for it? That's weird

and shady. You got yourself into this position. I don't know if you wanted Sally to like you.

And you're trying to give her some dirt. I don't really know what your motive was. But it just

doesn't make a lot of sense. And then I'll give it to her. She apologizes for the thing she does.

And it doesn't come with a butt. And I do think she's really sorry to Molly. I don't think she's

blowing smoke. But you get yourself into a lot of these situations. And then when push comes

to shove and you have to stand up and talk or go after somebody or defend yourself, i.e. Sally

at Wittner's Farm, you avoid the conversation entirely. So I agreed with you. Like we talked

this season that I actually like that she's trying to get more involved. I like that she's trying

to mix it up, trying to stir the pot, trying to push storylines. I like that. Get involved,

absolutely. But the second part of that, now that you're in it, now you have to stand 10 toes

down and go back after that. You can't just cower away and walk away from the conversation.

It doesn't really work that way. No, it definitely doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way

for a lot of things. But there might be a glimmer of hope in there because she did at least admit

that she was trying to dig when she made that comment down in Mexico. So that's a good start.

We're starting with the truth. That's another one that she gets involved in Austin and Craig at

the dinner table. That's another example. Yeah. But I immediately as soon as she does that, I'm like,

good, you actually got involved and then told us that you were doing it to be shady. That's what I

want to hear. That's exactly what I want to hear. That's what you should be doing. Now obviously with

the Molly thing, it's a lot different because why the fuck are you talking about that in the first

place? That's a different situation entirely. That's not like fun for the show. That's divulging secrets

of your castmates to other people to be shady or to get them to like you. I don't know exactly what

it is. But for Venita, she's almost there. Like she really is almost there. And again, she's almost

at the point where we can actually judge what she brings to the show. And that's really all I'm saying

because up until now, we've had a lot of instances where Venita is involved. She's not involved. She's

involved, whatever. But we can never really make a good opinion of who she is and what she can bring

to the show because she never quite gets there. And right now where we are is she can't stand up

herself. She just doesn't know how to do the things that she's already, she's already made her

bed and she just won't lay in it. She's like, ah, no, I didn't do that. I'm not dealing with this

today. I'm going to move on with my life. No, you have to address it. You have to talk to the

person about it. And with the crank thing in particular, if we're looking at it in a nutshell,

she shouldn't have made the fucking comments in the first place. You didn't know them. You didn't

know them. You didn't have to make a comment about Craig on, you know, wherever she made the

comment the first time, you certainly didn't have to go on file files and continue to talk about it.

You certainly didn't have to go on another thing. And then her whole comment is, well, if Craig had

such an issue with it, he could have reached out to me and been like, hey, can you stop talking

about me? Yeah, she says he let me continue to go on these podcasts, which is a I actually admire

the way that she was able to spin that because that was really funny, but it doesn't make any

fucking sense. Craig got some Craig level spin zone right there. Maybe there are a lot more

alike than we did, but maybe they could be really good friends at the end of the day. That would

be funny. If we get back to next season, it's like, actually, Craig and the Nina have been hanging

out a lot. I'm so fine with that. But then the other thing that comes into all of this, and this

was just like a one-off question, they talk about the Nina and Carl hanging out. And then she

drags Carl. Because he stiff-armed her, I guess, because they were dating and then he put the

Ky Bosch on it. Were they dating? No, no, I don't even know because they went on a date.

They went on a date. Yeah, but you know what? We've been seeing a lot of that, especially with

Summer House and those Southern shows. We see them on dates. West went on a date with like the

entire fucking Southern hospitality cast at one point, and then nothing came of it. So I don't

really think about it too much, but it's just the way that she talks about people when she's

addressed. It's just like, well, you don't have to be mean about your comments. You can just say

whatever. I don't care what the fuck you say, but you don't have to immediately drag somebody

because you got brought up at the same sentence with them. And that seems like what her go-to is,

which I'm fine with on reality TV, like, bring it on. I have no issue with it. No, I've

no issue at all. And again, this is what we've wanted from the Nina. So I'm not going to sit here

now and be like, the Nina, what are you doing? I know. I can actually see the workings of

creating a more well-rounded reality TV person. So like, go for it. Like, keep doing what you're

doing. Just figure out that final piece. Like, you have to get, if you're going to put yourself

in the conflict because people are going to look at you and say, what the fuck did you just say?

Stand 10 toes down. Even if you're awesomely wrong. Stand 10 toes down. That's what this show is.

This show is being incredibly wrong and then trying to gaslight the other person into thinking

that you're actually right. That's what everybody does. So just keep doing that and you'll be one of the

crew. And I know. And she is close. So, you know, we wanted progress from the Nina this season.

We got some. So you got to give her some credit there. Yeah. It's just, yeah, you look at the

situation she's involved in. Like, that doesn't justify, you know, what Craig said to her at the

dinner table by any means when they're down in Mexico and it doesn't justify some of the responses

that she got. No, but like, a lot of things don't get justified on reality TV. And honestly,

that's just part for the course. If you want to play in the big leagues, if you want to get involved

in these situations, you're going to have to expect that one of your co-stars is going to just

bat you down just immediately and go a little too far and then you have to be able to handle that.

And if you can't handle it, then you shouldn't have done it in the first place. So I think she can

handle it. She just has to figure out how to respond. Yeah. And I think she's getting there. I think

this reunion was like towards the end of her package. I think you saw, you know, we had some

resolve like her and Craig are able to at least amicably like move on a little bit. Her and Sally,

her and Molly, they seem like they're all working towards something here. I think the biggest thing

we got from this because the dudes were so fucking bad at this reunion was that the ladies are like,

oh, we need to, we need to be friends because this is men in Charleston. And like, this is a

fucking nightmare. So like, let's make sure that we're all still friends. Now, that brings me to

Madison. And that will finish with the band ever so quickly because we talked about most of it. But

I was kind of floored at some of her comments in episode two. Well, maybe we should have Craig

for who he is. No, wait, no, absolutely not. You need to check him and he's being a fucking dick.

Yeah. Do you have a list of the Madison comments? Like, did you write them down? I wrote, uh,

yeah. So there was another one. So I was trying to rationalize it

and saying, like, Madison is sort of the Lindsay Hubbard role. So maybe she's just trying to play

Devil's Advocate and get involved and do this. And that I think she's just trying to stir it. Yeah,

I don't think she believes any of the shit that she said. But at the same time, it didn't help

any situation. Like, it didn't further anything. It was almost like, it kind of struck me as like,

okay, Craig's going to be out here by himself. I don't want him to feel like he's by himself. So

I'm going to have his back in certain situations when I feel like it's getting a little,

getting to be a little too much. So that's kind of what I thought, like, because I started it

Lindsay Hubbard and then I moved my way down to it's coming off as you're really supporting Craig.

And you shouldn't do that. You should be somewhere in the middle. Like, that's make a comment here.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's fine. That's exactly her role. But yeah, if you have the other comments,

go for it. But before I get to that comment, like, if Craig yelled at you the way that he yelled

at Sally, you would fucking kill him. Like, he would not, you would give him the best verbal

bashing that we've probably ever seen on Bravo. It would be like scorched earth. Never fucking

talk to me again. Who the fuck do you think you are? You would not even give him the time of day

after that. That's who you are. And that's okay. That's a good thing. You're fucking strong as

shit. We love that about you. But you can't sit there and say we got to accept them for who he is.

That's disrespectful to Sally who got reamed out in a van in Mexico for 45 minutes. Yeah. So I

don't believe, I hope she doesn't actually believe that the other one was in the van as well.

Where it's like Craig, a real friend wouldn't have let you freak out a real friend who

are trying to calm you down. What do you mean? Unhinged. And you've seen that Craig before. Yeah.

You know that Craig. And this apparently according to the people in the van was like Craig's worst

moment ever. And he's had some pretty fucked up blowups. So no, don't play that card now where it's

like I would have been there for you. You wouldn't have. Yeah. That one was wild. And then even going

into Austin's like standpoint during it, he's like, I just was doing my best to not get involved.

I didn't like one which is also awful. Like you and Sally are a little bit of a thing. At least in

Mexico, you guys are a thing. It doesn't even matter if you guys are a little bit of the thing.

You like Sally. You view her as a friend. If you're friends, say something, you view Craig as

a frenemy and you understand maybe better than everybody else on the cast. How awful he could be

in those moments when he lashes out like that. You should be defending the victim here. You should

be defending the undefendable to try to help her out while she's going through this. And he's like,

I just did my best to not get involved. And then, you know, Rodrigo was like, dude, you've

got to help me out. And then I reluctantly was like, yeah, yeah, I guess I'll help out here.

And it's like, wait, what do you mean? How did we get here? How did we do any of this?

And Craig's spin on the whole van thing was like, it was in the card again. It wasn't even,

yeah, I guess it was a victim card, but it was just incoherent. Like nothing he said actually made

any sense in the moment. It was all total and utter made up bullshit. That's all it was because

we watched it. They played the clip 50 fucking times through the mid season trailer, the trailer,

the beginning of the season, the reunion episode, the reunion. Like we've seen it so many times.

We have a very good grasp about what happened in that car. Sally didn't do anything. She did

absolutely nothing. She actually made a joke. And it wasn't even at your expense. It was about

your, it wasn't even a joke. It was just pointing out which we've all been to Mexico. Your hair gets

a little fucking wacky if it's a little longer. My hair is in my face. Yeah, it's wild. It gets greasy.

It's gross. It's disgusting. You can make a joke about that. You could turn around and be like,

well, at least I don't have your hair. And then if Sally lashes out of that, that's not your fault.

You're just returning fire a little bit is like a little friendly spat. Instead you blew the

fuck up. And then when you're explaining it at the reunion, I'm like, this, I don't even know what

you're saying. I truly don't know what you're talking about. I was proud of Sally though because,

you know, the way he's trying to spin it is as though this was an isolated incident one. Yep.

Which is crazy because you had blowups throughout the season. This just was the worst one. And you

were the most inebriated for this one, which is glad. Like I hope that he takes the anger thing

seriously. Like I hope that got through where it's like, maybe you do have a drinking problem.

Which you definitely have an anger problem. Like go to the fact that he's like, never talk to

his therapist about his anger. He's never typed that into the chat GPT bubble. It's crazy.

I think you type an anger on chat GPT. It says that, uh, that I'm an AI. I don't understand emotions.

I don't understand this. Um, teach me. No, god, no. Teach me pillow daddy.

They're already getting to the point where they're reaching the singularity in which they'll

be able to think and fend for themselves. So, uh, yeah. Um, that's fun. Yeah. At this point,

who cares? But I'm proud of Sally in this moment because Craig is trying to play the card of like,

this isn't who I am. Like I haven't done this in two years. Yes, you have. You just haven't been

this drunk doing it in two years. But Sally says, don't disregard me like that. You still need to take

accountability. Like what he's trying to do is say, yeah, I understand the gravity of it. It was

out of my control. Like it just I lost my shit. You know, that's, that's not who I am trying to

be better guys. Like he's trying to play the card of like, I'm doing the work. I know I was wrong.

But it was just, uh, it was a spur of the moment thing and like, my bad. No, no, no, no, no, no,

no, take accountability. That was awful. That was awful. And it will live forever on TV, even if

Madison's sitting there saying, I would have tried to call me down because I'm your real friend,

which is fucking banana. He keeps going back to, I haven't drank that much in years. I was

emotionally spent. And then he fucking flips it on Charlie. And I felt rejected by her. She wasn't out

then. She was still in. You talked to her at the bar before you left with, you're sitting there

being cutesy with quesadillas. Before he threw it on Charlie, he threw it on Bravo essentially.

Yeah, first it was Bravo. And I wasn't drinking any water. I was just exhausted and I was just

pounding tequila. It's no dude. You went to the bar and we have clips of you eating a ton of

food throughout the day, drinking it on a water throughout the day, commenting on the water and

the food. And then you got to the bar and bought an entire bottle of tequila and got behind the bar

and had Austin make sure that everybody was fed shots. That's what happens. So let's not do the

revisionist history. Let's go back. We all watched it. You didn't. We know what happened. Okay,

fine. It was really Charlie's fault because I knew she was one in one out. You didn't. You truly

did not know that. And we can judge that based on how you were when we got back to Charleston

afterwards. Now, yes, I don't know what happened. Nothing happened in Mexico. That would have

caused her to not talk to me. Like dude, you coward from her the whole next day. You didn't say a

word to her. You got home to Charleston. You were still weirdly suspecting that she was going to

FaceTime you and call you again every night. And she didn't do that. See a new something was up.

So don't like look at us and be like, yeah, Cory, I don't know. I just, I just have no idea what's

going on. Like yeah, you're talking you had a whole conversation with Cory about it in the car

on the ride over. You knew something was up and you downright knew it was because of what you did

in Mexico that she did that. But playing dumb doesn't work for all of the other things that you've

done throughout the season throughout your tenure on this show. You don't now get to be like, I

don't know what happens. Nothing happens. No, dude, like just take accountability in that moment and

be like, yeah, it wasn't my prettiest moment. We've talked about it 75 times and over this for union.

I get it. I understand how it might be something the Charlie's going to just walk away from.

I just wanted a conversation. Like if you said that and you were like, I just thought that I was owed

a conversation and I would have loved to have sit down with her and talked about this whole thing

before we got back to Charleston or before you know, we got back to filming. Whatever it may have

been, I would understand that. But to actually nothing happened and you did nothing wrong is that

shit crazy. I think there was still ever so slightly opening in the door and the door is still a

jar. Yeah. Because she had that confessional where she was like, I'm expecting because she says

on stage, I was expecting to have like, have a one-on-one with you and for you to apologize to the

group. In a confessional after Mexico, she said just as much like, I'm assuming we're going to have

like a one-on-one about this. You didn't reach out to her. You expected her to reach out to you

after you did all of those shenanigans. She didn't. And then you're going to try to say

that you knew she was one-in-one out and you felt rejected and therefore you took it out on Sally.

Who you're trying to pin the whole thing falling apart on. Even though that wasn't that

that was not the issue. That was a speed bump in your relationship with Charlie. Had you handled

it like an adult, but you didn't. Neither did she, Charlie. And it blew up on you guys. It was

going to blow up somehow just in this instance, you literally blew it up in a van in Mexico.

So yeah, a lot. It's a lot to cover, but you know what? I'm much happier doing it this way,

instead of the other way around. There's loop it all into one big old

broth bro down. Yeah, I was going to call it a shit show, but yeah, a shit bro.

I don't like that. Instagram and the first thing that popped up is Kyle Cook posted a picture with.

Oh God. Kyle posted a photo of him in Amanda on Instagram. There's no excuse for how I acted

last summer. The way I spoke to Annabelle Amanda was unacceptable and it's brutal to watch back,

but not nearly as painful as what she's had to go through. Amanda and I have already spoken

about all of this, but I felt the need to acknowledge this publicly. I'm truly sorry and regret

the way I handled myself. I know nothing can erase the hurt I've caused. She never deserved that

and I need to be better. Two things. Again, I don't think Kyle is a bad person,

so I actually believe that. No, no, yeah, no, I do. It's just what time because it's always funny.

That's what I'm saying. I'm seeing all of the backlash online and going, oh, fuck,

lover boy, just dipped 10 points. Yeah, negative 10 points for Griffin or

um. All right, let's uh, let's see what the fans say about this one. I feel weird calling

the fans. Let's call them listeners. This is our audience. Yeah, let's see what the audience has

to say. Our friends, our pros. Sir, why is Madison so on Craig's side? I don't know. Haley,

oh, why is Madison enabling Craig? I don't know. Yeah, Melanie, Leah, Jay, make Craig's

manipulation makes sense. How does this work on anyone? I don't know. The answer to all of these

questions is going to be, I don't fucking know. Yeah, probably. Oh, boy. Yeah, there's no.

Surely 40, 40. No, I was just saying there's another question about why is Madison on Craig's team.

I don't know. No idea. Do it. Charlie 44. The reunion confirmed that Craig does not have a

professional human therapist. I agree. It's chat GPT is his actual therapist. Yeah.

Yeah. God, every question is about Madison and Craig. Uh, from Bola Damo, Craig at Austin

needed to just kiss already. Damn it. Is Craig jealous of the heat of rivalry? Quote,

unquote, date. Probably. They should kiss, honestly. Just. I think they would settle a lot of

issues if they just made out on camera. Yeah. And we've talked about this at reunions before.

Uh, it was probably like five or six years ago at this point, but, uh, they, Craig has not seen

Shepherd Austin's dick. I think he just needs to see their dicks. Uh, yeah. I think that'll,

that'll save everything. Yeah. They need a smooch and, uh, a little pp reveal, a little hog reveal

and everything to be fine. Uh, from Jamie Gibbs, Howard Craig and Paige, quote, unquote,

together every day if they literally lived in different states. Oh, yeah. I said the same thing

when he said it. I was like, what? You guys saw each other every month. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, that's

pretty funny. Uh, from Madeline Goatier, just me or Vanita had a terrible reunion, poorly played

bad look. Um, no, I don't think she had a terrible reunion. Honestly, I think that she saved herself

a lot by just purely admitting, like, yeah, I was fucking digging. Okay. Cool. Great. Yeah. I'm sorry.

And yes, I'm sorry. Yes, I'm sorry. Even if it's, even if it's not genuine, which I think it is,

but even if it's not, we've seen similar strategies and reunions in the past. Like,

it's not like a crazy, yeah. And like, I can look at maybe not the Craig and Vanita stuff. Like,

if you just look at how she was talking, her Molly seemed to be fine. The situation between her

and Sally is just, it's bizarre. Um, so I don't really know what to make of that, but it doesn't seem

like Vanita's being a good friend to everybody. But that doesn't really bother me to be honest,

because it's reality TV. I don't give a shit. Yeah. I don't have a, uh, question for this,

but it did bring it up in my noggin. After seeing Sally, the quote again from Watch What Happens Live,

is she the reason that everybody expected Wittner to have this dark side because she said,

you don't know Wittner yet. Yes. Yes. That's what stemmed from it. I don't think she realizes

the turmoil online. She has no idea. Everyone thinks that he's just like, closet,

evil man that has this dark side tool. We were talking about all season. When's Wittner going to

blow up? When's Wittner going to blow up? Sally? What the fuck? Yeah. I really don't think that

she realizes that at all. Um, from Liz Scarbs, do you think selling down South Tracks Pilo

sells based on Craig's behavior during airing? What a mess. They should. They should. I mean,

I look at lover boy. Keep an eye on that. Um, yeah. From Kelsey Rinal, Sally was completely

cooked by Austin, and I only think that she realized that she is like, she's got fucking love goggles

on. I know. Austin say or do whatever the hell he wants, and she's still gonna pay him compliments.

I know. He treated her like absolute shit on that stage, and she was still giggling with him.

Um, I got one to end on. So if you have another one, you want to squeeze in there.

All right. That's a lot of why was Madison touting? Yeah. Which I'm glad that, you know, I genuinely think,

genuinely, I think she's just tried to stersh it up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that she believes

anything that she was saying. I hope not. Yeah. Pretty regular. Why is Madison such an apologist

for these men? We don't know. Um, let's see. Oh, I want to do this one, because this is fascinating.

And it gets into the psyche a little bit. Be man gram 0727. Do you think Craig didn't watch the

reunion because he knew how bad he came off? No. I don't think he sees himself the way that we do.

I think if he watches those things back, if he watches this reunion back, he's going to see a

pile on. If he watches the season back, he's going to see himself getting poked and prodded

all season and them causing all of this. I don't think genuinely that his brain is wired the

right way to understand where he fucks up. I think that rationalizes everything away, which is

the trait of a hand up addict, not saying he is, but that is what you're going to say narcissists,

actually. Both. Like it is. Like you're able to spin every fucked up thing you do into. Oh,

it's probably their fault. It wasn't my fault. Yeah. That's like one of our main tropes.

Good point. Last one here from Mary had a little. Do you think the Craig will be back next season?

Yeah. Yes. Definitely. With that, without a doubt, my mind. I do think it's the better question is

probably not to knock it, but I think the better question is, will next season be his last season?

That's a possibility. I don't know if he's coming back. It depends on how next season goes,

but I could see a pretty decent sized opportunity for him to just move on after next season,

but he's definitely coming back next season. I agree. I think if this next season,

he's going to convince himself to come back and he's going to get him to come back. He's probably

going to want to come back to a certain capacity. If it goes similar to this season,

meaning if he fucks it up for himself again, I think he's out. I think we got a one-season buffer

one way or the other. Yep. I'm with him. But yeah, I mean, shit, all in all. Solid season.

Yeah. It was a solid, solid year. We saw some growth in a lot of people. I'm sorry. We heard that

what? Shep. Oh, no, no, no. God, not like maturity. Like growth is a reality TV star.

Let's clarify here. Growth at their job with the G-word. Yeah, no. Growth at their job,

not personal growth. What are you nuts? We actually saw the main men on this show

regress substantially from where we thought they were other than Shep, and that's because Shep didn't

do anything. The Austin and Craig took about a four-year step backwards in most ways of their life.

So yeah, not that. But yeah, solid, solid season. I'm excited. I'm excited for the off-season.

I think we're going to see some shit from the show. Yeah, me too.

But that's all I got. You got anything else? Nope. Nope. That's our show,

Rob Brozer out of here.

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