Skenes & Team USA Beats the Dominican - Now the Pirates Have A Decision

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Good morning.

Happy Monday.

Happy Monday.

Happy USA Victory.

It's a victory Monday.

Yeah, what a game.

Honestly, what a tournament so far.

Everything that was hyped up to be.

It was.

It was.

What a game.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, just the tournament in a hole, really.

I don't know how excited I was going into this World Baseball Classic.

I'm always like, you know what?

I'll watch the games.

If I'm available, they'll be fun.

But it seems like, I don't know.

It seems like this go around has been really good.

Like just outstanding baseball games being played.

I mean, the Venezuelan one against team Japan, docks to pan out.

That was pretty exciting.

And then, yeah, Italy just doing Italian things.

Yeah, Italy doing what they're doing is pretty incredible.

I mean, it's basically a team of guys who, you know, they're all from America.

There's not too many actual Italians on the team.

But.

Hey, hey.

But yeah, we both figured out we could have played if we were good as true.

We got Denardo and Razzotti here.

Yeah, I think as long as your name ended with Val, you were eligible.

So that's how that Italian team's going.

But no, they're playing awesome.

They're in the semi-finals.

So there's, yeah, what Italy versus Venezuela tonight, to see who goes on to face Team USA

in the finals.

So yeah, it's fun.

It's fun.

Venezuela team's super fun, the Dominican team, that team was incredibly talented and

very fun to watch.

That game last night, I mean, we'll get into it.

But man, it was the, I mean, just the, the, every pitch seemed like it was important.

It was like a game seven of the World Series type, type of that.

Well, that's why I love the WBC.

I mean, in a way, it exposes how boring United States version of baseball is because I just

feel like everywhere else.

I mean, these, I mean, like you watched the Dominican League, that's the environment

is down there, you know, and it's just like they, they bring that, they bring that energy

to all these games and it's just so fun to, to witness it.

We have to witness it from afar, you know, it's kind of cool also something that beat

writers with there because of all the see the representation of Pittsburgh, you know,

just a travel away from Brayden Sinto, so Miami.

So just like getting their feedback of that environment also, man, I wish I was there.

Yeah, last night would have been a great, great baseball game to go and watch.

Like if there was, there was a game in this tournament that I could have gone to see,

it would have been last night and, and like you mentioned, I mean, I think Jason Mackey

was there, Colin Beasley was there.

Not only were the pirates represented, but like the city of Pittsburgh was represented.

You had, you had, you had Paul schemes on team USA, you had Gregory Soto, Dennis Santana,

O'Neal Cruz on the Dominican Republic.

And then on top of that, you had David Bednar, who, you know, Mars area high school alum,

he pitched the seventh inning, a shout out seventh inning was interesting.

He made it, made sure it was interesting in classic David Bednar fashion, but he got

the job done.

And then in the ninth inning, Bethel Park, Mason Miller closing it out.

So yeah, it was like said, very, very well repressed like Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh got a showed

out in this one.

It was, it was cool.

Yeah, they did.

And like you said, it was kind of cool because it wasn't just the pirates, you know,

the team, it was the city of Pittsburgh, you know, again, David Bednar, who also was

the next pirate and Mason Miller, as mentioned.

So yeah, Pittsburgh was on the map last night in a big way.

And they came out victorious.

So it was really, it was a really fun and cool game to watch, I felt.

And the fact that it was two to one was kind of interesting.

I know a lot of people before, I mean, you watch the pregame, it was talking like, you

know, seven, the three, seven at two, some runs being scored.

And like, there was offense that there absolutely was some offense there.

But the pitching and defense kind of came through when needed.

So yeah, I want to talk more about, you know, the game and stuff.

So let's, let's do get into that.

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Good stuff.

Great stuff.

Yep, speaking of great stuff.

Paul Skins didn't have his great stuff last night.

And on top of that, face to pretty damn good lineup, Jim.

You're probably not getting, I mean, even the LA Dodgers are looking at this lineup

and saying, how can we accomplish this next year if, of course, there is baseball.

So with skiing's not even having his best stuff playing for him last night.

And him facing this DR lineup that has guys that are probably going to be an MVP talks

year in and year out.

The guy showed up.

I know it was only 4.1 innings, but he showed up.

He led this team to a victory.

One run he allowed.

And of course, the bullpen came through in the clutch, right?

And they did their job also, as mentioned, but Paul Skins came through in the big stage.

And as you mentioned, Pittsburgh, the parts were on scene.

And he did the damn thing, man.

Yeah, final line, four and a third innings.

He did give up six hits, one run, zero walks, two strikeouts.

The only run was a junior Caminero solo homer.

I mean, it was a great tournament for Paul Skins, too, overall 1.08 ERA.

I think he pitched eight and a third innings and gave up just that one run.

So an outstanding tournament from from Paul Skins.

But yeah, you mentioned, I mean, not the best.

Again, I got a kind of MF Wags here, kind of says it in the in the comment section.

Like, I don't know if you can say it wasn't his best stuff, because like this lineup was incredible.

Well, think about it.

So like was he was he doing typical Paul Skins things, maybe not, but he was facing a lineup

of Fernando Tati's junior, Catelle Marte, Juan Soto, Vladimir Gerrero, Jr.

Manny Machado, Jr. Caminero, Julio Rodriguez, Austin Wells, Geraldo Peroma, Perdolo.

Like, I feel like the most important thing is just like, can you get through this lineup?

And he was able to get through it pretty much twice and giving up just the one run.

I said, from a stuff standpoint, I didn't really break down the stuff.

Like, he didn't have a ton of swings, he had eight swings and misses or on the fastball or on the splitter.

His, his breaking stuff.

Well, at first off, he didn't really throw a ton of them, didn't throw a ton of sweepers,

didn't throw a ton of curveballs, didn't throw, didn't throw a lot of the changeups either.

But it was, it was kind of heavy fastball splitter combo yesterday.

And yeah, like 20, overall 20% with rate, you're used to seeing that number being a little bit higher for Paul Skins.

But he also isn't facing a lineup full of MVP caliber players every single day.

So I'm not going to knock the stuff.

You're just not going to have a five inning H strike out no run performance against lineup like this.

Like no one can do it.

And I get that.

But also hitting two batters, kind of indicative of maybe Paul Skins not having his best stuff and leading on the fastball,

because he didn't have, you know, his best stuff.

Like he wasn't really locating well.

The cheater came in at home run.

That's more of a band.

But, but again, but yeah, that's why I can say like he did.

I mean, when his Paul Skins also hit two batters and four and a third innings.

Yeah, he can't really put that on the hitters, you know, the lineup.

So so again, I do think there is an argument made.

He didn't have his, you know, his best stuff last night.

But, but like, I want to highlight like that's what makes Paul Skins.

I feel like Paul Skins because it's a time of time.

Again, in 30 starts, you're going to have 10 starts.

You have your best stuff, 10 starts where, you know, you're fighting through it and 10 where you just don't at all.

And Paul Skins displays that, you know, I mean, there's, there's many times lots of many.

But I mean, let's like any picture you go out there.

You don't have your best stuff with you.

He knows how to get guys out.

I mean, it's the ultimate picture, right?

He's not just a thrower.

He is the ultimate pitcher and he was relying on the defense.

You know, it was a lot of soft contact last night.

That was being made and whatnot.

And again, like that, that's just what makes Paul Skins so great.

Because again, like I want to highlight, you know, like he, he didn't have his best stuff with him last night.

But he's still got through this elite lineup, giving just one earn run.

Yes, the one was off of a mistake and was at home run to Junior Caminero.

And that's where again, like Kudos to Caminero, like he's, he's a stud as well.

They're all studs.

You let that one hang in and he blasted that one out of the park.

It happens, right?

But it was a solo shot because he wasn't allowing, you know, at that point of time, of course, you know,

many base runners on and he just fought through and found a way to be victorious.

Because that's what Paul Skins does.

As long as he has a little bit of offense and

little, no, there he got just that little bit that he needed last night, too, to still have that.

Of course, you know, don't get the victory.

But like that's what happened.

Like it was also kind of funny that the Pirates of Pirates, the teen USA scores, you know, two runs.

But that's all they need last night.

Yeah, I'll, I mean, I'll, I'll concede to like, it probably wasn't his best game ever.

But, but again, that, that, like you mentioned it, that points to just how big the guy is, right?

Like he went up against, yes.

May probably this, I mean, this, this, this, this Dominican Republic lineup is one of the best

lineups ever put together on a baseball field.

Somebody said it last night that that game was probably the greatest collection of talent you'll

ever see put on a baseball field.

And like that includes major league all-star games.

Like those lineups last night were better than all-star lineups, right?

Because in all-star game, you've got people who sit out and like every once in a while,

you'll get a couple people who get into an all-star game who maybe shouldn't be there.

Like those lineups last night were, we're, we're pretty insane.

Just to kind of, like kind of run through some of that.

Like there were four rookie of the year winners in the lineup last night.

32 silver sluggers, eight gold gloves, four platinum gloves, 51 all-stars and five MVP's that played last night.

Just, just an outstanding, outstanding game.

And yeah, like I said, skiing, skiing showed why he's so good.

I know there's like a lot of this debate between like, hey, who's the best pitcher in the world?

Like is it school or is it skiing?

I feel like last night, I feel like a lot of the national people will tell you it's schoolable.

Well, it's not like that.

And like after last night, like I don't know how anybody could look at this and say like,

Paul Skins isn't the best pitcher alive.

Yeah, I just want to throw in there.

Like it might just mean to hype up the game, but when David Ortiz is talking,

when they're a Rob was talking, Paul Skins is the best pitcher on the planet.

Like that's how he's being introduced.

They weren't debating.

They weren't saying, hey, maybe him or school board, he's maybe one of the best.

It was highlighted.

He's the best pitcher in the planet.

Now again, I'm sure has to help hype up the game.

If you talk about the words, right, they might have that debate.

But yeah, man, it's just so cool seeing him on the national stage like this.

And like you mentioned that lineup.

And he just goes out there and shoves and

if like this is one of those situations, like if you said,

USA was only going to score two runs.

I don't know.

That sucks.

I would have said they were, I would have said they were done.

And this team held this lineup to just one run.

Again, led by Paul Skins, this 4.1.

And then afterwards just the Pittsburgh boys coming in and shutting them down.

So a couple, a couple of kind of like

topics I want to talk about just stemming from this game.

One.

I was always kind of iffy on ABS challenging.

But like it last night not proved that

we need ABS challenging.

You talking to someone who is ready for team USA or ready for team DR?

Because that could sway things.

Right, like a game.

I think that the behind the whole thing,

like I'm not a huge fan of like challenging a ball one in the second inning or a strike one call

in the third inning.

That doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

But like in enormous moments when the game is on the line or it's a high leverage situation,

it's nice to like make sure that those calls are right.

At least in the in a sense of like there's no egregious ball strike calls that are deciding games.

So that that was one thing where like if there was one thing that kind of sucked last night,

it was man, this game like there were two big moments where the Dominican Republic got

got rung up on clear balls.

But again, it kind of goes to show you, hey, that's that's why ABS exists and why it's going to be

in place this year is games like this or just really games like games in general should no longer

be decided by really bad ball and strike calls in a big time situations.

So that's that's I guess that's refreshing to see.

I mean, you can go back and forth.

We can go back and forth and talk about how much the human element should be a part of the game

or not. But like it kind of sucked that that game was decided like that because it was such a good

game like an incredible talent on both sides and an umpire. I'm kind of messed a couple things up.

Yeah, I mean, the right thing to say is you didn't do enough to win the game.

But I'm sure, you know, people in the DR or even fans are walking away from that just saying,

like, you know, what if and that's what the ABS was designed for.

So I'll come with you and I think spring training it gets overused.

I don't think it's going to be used as quite as often as it has been.

But again, like it is spring training. That's why you do using it.

The players are giving adjustments to this and such.

But like, yes, that's that's why ABS was implemented for for moments like that because like

get it right. It's not to be out there challenging every pitch.

It's to ensure that those ones and those big critical moments, you know what?

Let's have a better look at this because I'm not walking back to that dugout when I just

stood watching ball four and now you're striking me out and deciding a game.

You know, that's that's where it absolutely is critical.

And I think there is a there is room for it in the sport.

And I do like ABS. I think visually too.

I think that fans can get behind it and get into it.

But I will say this too.

Like it is funny because like Paul Skins did get some strikes that

were borderline and they're, you know, there were balls.

And, you know, as Pirates fans, we're going to have to get a custom to this also because

Paul Skins is the best pitcher on the planet.

And he now does command that respect from empires.

So when they somewhat give him those strikes,

they could come back.

So I'm also interested in how the Paul Skins effect comes.

Not that he's great Maddox by any means.

But he has some filthy stuff that

sometimes they're balls.

Yeah.

And then put in and just combine that with

Henry Davis has shown to be a really, really great framer where he's stealing some of those strikes.

So like how much of Henry Davis's value gets taken away?

Because of this, you know, I mean, I'm sure there's going to be balls that he steals

in terms of the strikes throughout the game.

Some borderline ones, but it's not going to be as bad as it's not going to be as,

I don't think it's going to be as evident as before, you know, just kind of that catcher

framing skill.

Yep.

The other thing, the other thing last night led me to think about is

Denardo, I have the itch for a big time baseball now.

Like I, dude, like this game, it's just, it was, it was a fun, it was just such a fun game.

Every, every pitch was so much fun.

And first off, before I wasn't sure how much I loved this tournament being in March,

I love this tournament being in March.

It is like there's nothing better for the Major League Baseball season in terms of like

promotion or like getting your fans amped up than this.

Like I'm opening day being a week and a half from now is like killing me.

Like I like, I got to wait another 10 days for, for, for baseball.

Like are you kidding me?

But it's, it's, it's more than anything, like just, and also seeing Paul

schemes on this stage and seeing O'Neal crews on this stage.

And like I said, the pirates have been pretty well represented throughout this tournament.

Seeing these guys in big moments, in big games,

I need to see them do that on the pirates.

Like I, God, I need, I need big time baseball games in Pittsburgh because it's been so long,

it's been, it's been over a decade since we've had games that really matter that much.

It has, it has, it's, it's a dicting.

Like now that I've got a little bit of a taste of it, it's like, all right, pirates,

I, I need some more of this.

Give me some more of this.

That's also what I kind of like the WBC also, like you're talking about,

like as a fan perspective towards a sport, like absolutely, you know, like that,

this is great, it's great promotion.

It's, it's, it's a wonderful thing to have at this point of time.

I feel like for baseball.

But like also look at it in the players thing, like you mentioned, Paul

schemes is on that big stage and like, we know how cerebral Paul is, you know,

and having him around all those people, it's like, who knows how much more he's even taken back

from this? Oh no, Cruz in that environment, like how much taken back, like all these guys,

because this USA takes it serious, but like especially the other countries, I mean, they do.

This is big, you know, for again, the country, the team and everything.

So it was like having all of them in this big environment and now coming back and like,

getting that taste, like you said, you're craving it.

I wonder how much Paul's craving it.

I know it's a pretty good bit, you know, but it's like all the players individually coming back

from that also. It's like, I'm fired up, you know, like now I'm back in Pirates Camp and,

you know, maybe I don't know, Crusake as well as, you know, like this is actually, this is huge.

Like I, I want this also. And the Pirates are kind of building something here.

So it's like, how much are they coming back to camp craving that also?

And it's like, guys, let's eff and do this.

I want to, I want to get back there and playing this type of baseball because that was fun.

And you know, AJ was here just not too long ago.

And he talked about this environment that never witnessed, but I just witnessed something

that he keeps, he talked about that was similar to this and like, yeah, let's, let's do that.

So I don't know. I hope maybe it gets the players juices going and also some.

Not only does it get the players juices going, but like it's,

it's valuable experience too that a lot of these players don't have.

Like Paul schemes, now Paul schemes is pitched in some pretty big baseball games.

He went to LSU. He's pitched in Omaha. He pitched in, you know, big time college baseball games.

But he kind of hasn't pitched in anything all that big in the last couple of years.

There's all star games, right? And you can tell he kind of takes those pretty seriously.

But so there's, there's a couple all star games, but

the world baseball classic though, it's just on another level from all of those things.

And the atmosphere adds to it.

Like Paul schemes going through that experience last night

is, is a big developmental moment for him.

You know, that's, he's never going to face a team like that ever in the majors.

Right. Right. If the Pirates somehow end up in the World Series and they're facing the Yankees

or the Blue Jays or the Mariners or whoever it may be,

that lineup is going to be not even half as good as what he just faced.

And the atmosphere might not even be on similar levels.

So it's like just going, like Paul schemes being able to go through that last night

is huge because now, you know, ultimately the goal of all this to kind of tie it back into

the Pirates is we want Paul schemes pitching in big time games in October.

And that's, it's great practice, like that was great practice last night.

That was outstanding practice for, for what you're going to see in, in a postseason game where

you've got to win. And he showed up and he probably learned some things from it.

And the next time he does it, hopefully this October, it's going to even be better.

For sure, for sure. And we go back, like you mentioned, the dude shove again last night.

We had to discuss it, discuss it about it. But the game before was the complete opposite.

I mean, that guy was feeling himself. No one was touching him. And you know, it comes

out of this two games that, like you mentioned, like I just feel like this is invaluable stuff.

You know, again, for a player like Paul schemes who crazed this so much.

And this guy wants to, when you said about, you know, taking the all-star game series.

And this is the guy who doesn't, he takes everything serious.

Everything is relevant in Paul schemes. Nothing is like, oh, it's just an all-star game.

Let's just have fun. No, it's, I mean, how much can I take back from this? How much can I learn?

See all these minds going to be around? I'm going to be on the big stage here,

throwing out the first inning. You know, like, I'm going to disappear.

And unlike Paul schemes, he doesn't disappear from the bright lights.

What is happening? I thought I fixed this camera. I don't know. That's two shows in a row where you

just disappear too. So the point was fine. No, that's a good point.

But anyways, yeah. No, I mean, you're actually right. And again, it's just,

it was cool to see, but more than anything, it kind of gave me that, it gave me that itch,

where it's like, okay, it's time to see some, I want to see more of this. Yeah.

Absolutely. Yeah. Well, anything more on the world-based Paul classic?

I don't think, no, we didn't, I mean, we talked about him more last week, but just to kind of say,

like, it was nice seeing Oh, no cruise. It was limited. Yeah. But it was nice seeing what Oh,

no cruise did this WBC because that's a guy who balled out as well as every opportunity. And

even even with last night, he was, he did pinch hit. Was a big moment. He didn't strike out.

Wasn't the prettiest at that. But put the ball and play, Vance Runner, almost beat it out. Like,

I'll just say that. Yeah. The dude almost beat out an infield single up the middle.

Just like a routine grounded or shortstop. Yes. Yeah. So like, he didn't strike out,

made contact. Didn't do much in that, which thankfully, because again, we're rooting for team USA.

But he had the ability to tie the game or, you know, win the game, a walkoff,

millers up their pitch, and you know, he throws gas. And, you know, it was, it was a full count at

one point, or was it just two and two? Where he goes? It was a two-two count. Okay. But, but,

I thought it was a pretty good at that. I mean, he took, he took a first pitch breaking ball.

And, you know, I feel like O'Neill Cruz, especially in that type of situation, is going to lean on

being aggressive. So like, taking that first pitch now, it wasn't a very competitive pitch.

She was like, way outside. So that was just, that was on Mason Miller. But then took another

change up down in the dirt. And yeah, it was a huge moment for him to step up in. And he's

facing a pitcher that's insane. I think he, he struck out a Caminero on four pitches,

just basically fastball, fastball, fastball, then got him with a slider to end the at bat.

Yeah, it was filthy that one. Yeah. I mean, Mason Miller's nasty. So, yeah, it was good

about. He hit it hard, hit it at 100 miles per hour, expected batting average of 300. Like,

if he's doing that against that type of talent, and he's that dialed in,

uh, yeah, hopefully we, we end up all right. Yeah, part of me, I wasn't really sure what to think

in that situation because O'Neill Cruz home run would have walked it off through the Dominican Republic.

And it's like, man, that, that would be really cool. But then at the same time, I was like, I

don't, it's like, I want you to say the way. So, right, right. It was, that was, that was a fun

moment in last night's game as well. So, so for me, it kind of was like, maybe the best scenario.

He got out, but it didn't strike out. He put the ball in play. And again, like, he also beat it

out. And then you mentioned it was 100 mile hour hit. Like, it wasn't like this soft hit. I mean,

he hit the ball hard and still almost beat this ball out. So, again, you want to understand why

people get excited about O'Neill Cruz, even on the ground out, he makes it look exciting.

Exactly. That was funny. That was really it. But also, dude's fast. And he, he hustled and he

tried. So, maybe, maybe that too, like just the atmosphere of all this. Oh, maybe you see an

entirely different O'Neill Cruz this year. It would be very nice. Yeah. It would be very nice.

All right. 40 40 back on the table, right? Hey, I, 40 homers is a lot. That's a lot of homers.

20 40s on the table. Absolutely. All right. Almost did that last year. Like Tyler pointed out on

Friday. Yep. And that was a terrible season for him. And he almost put up 20 homers, 40 stolen

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mispronounce Jose or Katie's name incorrectly. Look at you just saying speaking of Jose or Katie

not the greatest start yesterday. Let's talk about this fifth starter battle because I know

we've been talking about it. I feel like you never show and of course every show it's relevant

but we're now three weeks into this. It's getting closer. I mean we're not what 10 days to opening day

and yeah with that being said like the battles really mattering you know who is going to be the

fifth starter when of course they need one but are Katie made sense you lines up you know the history

of being injured is there but when he's not injured he's been productive he comes from Houston Bill

Bill Murphy you know knows him familiar with him there's that Mike Clevenger potentially an option

as well that guy was a stud back in the day but it's been a while since he's been that dude

there's Hunter Barker like on the outside looking and he's a lefty he's within the organization

there's talent there for sure but I think ideally right we talked about the parts probably want

him to ramp up and that would happen in triple A first. It's Carbicinski coming out of the woodwork

and winning this job and if so rightfully so

I'll say this um I am most comfortable right now with Carmen Maginski in that role

so then you just have to weigh is it better to have Carmen in that fifth spot

or is it better to have Carmen where you know he's going to be a dominant lights out multi-ending

reliever and that's valuable in its own right. If you haven't checked it out uh Alex stump if

you haven't well first off if you haven't heard Alex stump was doing a daily 15-minute show Monday

through Friday with us so make sure you check it out his Monday episodes already out um but on

Friday he talked about Carmen Maginski and really just how last year went for him how he started off

the season as a starting pitcher got knocked around specifically against left-handed hitting

got sent down worked on some things came back and he was really an entirely new pitcher came back

with a new pitch arsenal added a new splitter um and that splitter is what he used to attack left-handed

hitters the second half of the season and and second the second half of the season left-handed

hitters like did nothing against Carmen Maginski so that's kind of the makings of a starter one

is can you get left-handed hitters out as a right-handed pitcher and two can you do it more than

once you know can you do it a second time can you do it a third time if necessary um we don't know

the answer to the last two question to the to the last question there like can he do it more than

once uh with this new arsenal because you know he was a reliever the entire time but with the

improved results that he got versus left-handed hitters I'm I'm kind of leaning towards

let's find out because if Carmen out of all those guys that were mentioning here and and I'm

kind of taking Hunter Barco out of the mix just because I I I just don't see Hunter Barco making

this team right I think he I think there's a path I just don't think I just don't think it's

going to happen with with the arms they have available on opening day I think I think we'll see

plenty of Hunter Barco in 2026 I just don't think it's going to be on the opening day roster

but out of those three guys those three brothers the her or Katie Maginski and Clevanger

Maginski has the highest upside and he's probably got the highest floor too so like at this point

that's that's probably where I'm leaning towards or Katie is not good you you have a couple

options with him where you could either send him to the bullpen or I said it's kind of it hasn't

really been officially announced but Alex kind of hinted to it when uh when or Katie was signed

that there may be some advanced consent here on an additional option for him if that's the case

and the pirates are able to option or Katie to AAA to continue to work on being a starter and then

you can call him up if needed maybe that's maybe that's something that they do here right I do think

Clevanger March 20th so that's what Tuesday Wednesday that's Friday so on by Saturday

um there's there you like you could see a roster move from my Clevanger um because he's got an

opt out in his contract that's thanks to Ethan at MLB spreadsheets uh so my guess here in from from

where I'm sitting Maginski 5 starter Clevanger to the bullpen to take that multi ining relief role

because I think it's more important to have a starting pitcher who you can trust

than than a reliever and the upside with Maginski with this new pitch mix it's interesting enough

that it makes me at least want to try it out and you know what if it works awesome if it doesn't

you can you should be able to quickly pivot without really doing a whole lot of damage here

you know a fifth starter is 20% of their starts 20% of the games like it matters you know I mean

I don't want to like just throw away like uh who cares who the fifth starter is I mean it doesn't

matter if that fifth starter is terrible and they're allowing I mean like think about this think

about how Maginski looked last year in that role right if you're constantly giving up runs

and looking that bad you're throwing away you know almost 20% of your games in that sense so like

there is something that matters to it it's like you're saying the relativity to it does it matter

more to have maybe a marginal upgrade than what Erkidee is or Clevanger at that fifth starter

or having that lights out in the bullpen as this long guy you know the multiple use multiple ways

and you know again like I think ideally Maginski has that reliever you know that weapon in the bullpen

going back to like again we talked about how like Da Vinci Da Vinci was used in in Houston for what

a bit like that's a real weapon and that's where I want to see Khan Maginski so I mean it's like

that the problem is I want a need Erkidee to do more I want a need Clevanger to do more because like

I want a need them to win that spot so it's like the going back to the colon Conor quote

that leaves no doubt to say Carmen just go back to the bullpen we're good

but they're not doing it and that's the problem they're not so now you have to concede what is

best for the team is it best to have Carmen there as the fifth starter which again it's still

20% of the starts 20% of all your games to some level or having him in that multi-ending role

and at this point of time because of how they're looking I'm starting to lean that way now there's

still some time and I still also go back and just feel like you know what Bayley Falter looked like

trash in spring also and then his first five innings in Miami was trash and we were

terrashing Bayley Falter and then it was like you know what that was one of the best fifth

starters we could have asked for in a long long time and maybe it's just hope you're coming in as

well that like hey maybe Erkidee is just having a bad spring the underlining metrics don't look

good but hey I mean they don't look good for Bayley Falter either and it's not like Erkidee is

much different of a pitcher than Bayley Falter's like he was a strikeout artist and now he's not and

he's lost it you know I mean he's doing what Erkidee does is just not happening so I'm still mixed

man I'm still torn I'm not sold yet I'm a jinsky but I'm absolutely open to the idea and what Alex

said and also and of course we're listening Alex maybe we've made a mistake having you on because

I'm tired of you changing my mind I listen to offbeat I'm like damn it Alex changed my mind on

something again I was really opposed to have a midjinsky but like now hearing him say and the

stuff's all valid you know and I'll say this after seeing his last start like dude's got some stuff

dude's got some stuff he is pitching really effective you know this spring maybe I'll again I'm

open I still want I'm still leaning and pushing like someone win this job but if they're not

I feel okay with Carmen Rijinski getting the fifth starter role this year much more than it did

last year and even that's even seeing what it did last year when he got the role you know I'm still

more comfortable right now in him winning the job yeah it's uh yeah it's it's gonna be it's gonna

be an interesting case here because I feel like I feel like right now like Maginski Maginski looks

like the best option like if you just let let's let's pretend that that this was truly a competition

it was like okay best pitcher best pitcher wins it yeah like it's it's not it's not even a race

like it's a jinsky you know it's not close and and I want to point something out here and I'm

gonna share my share of screens just so you know kind of present with the visual if you're listening

to the show just know that I'll walk through this as well but this is Carmen Maginski's last start

so this is you know his stack cast page and hopefully you can see it but the thing I want to point

out more than anything one like he's he's getting he's getting that that you can see that splitter

is what he's leaning on against lefties against left handed hitters he's throwing that splitter 47

percent of the time the splitter also had a 36 percent width rate when he threw it but the thing

I want to kind of present to you and point your eyes to is this velocity chart where it breaks down

velocity by inning like his velocity it started off at 95 then went to 95.3 in the second 94.2 94.6 94.1

so like what that kind of shows me is like the stamina is there it's not that he's breaking down

you know as the game goes on it's it's continuing through I mean this and he threw 70

one thing I hate about the new baseball savant okay he's so he threw 64 pitches right and he

maintained his velocity throughout his entire outing. Jose you're a key to yesterday if you look

at it look at this velocity by inning so I'll zoom in it doesn't even work but started off at 93

dropped to 92.4 in the second then 92.2 in the third and then 90 in the fourth his fastball

lost three miles per hour from the first inning to the fourth inning what shows me just like in this

dude actually pitched that long like he's not really been known for having an outstanding stuff

in terms of his fastball and you know he hasn't really pitched a lot these last two years so

like how how much can you really expect from this guy especially going deep into a game so like

is is Jose your Keede maybe better suited off for a role where he only you can just go max effort

for one or two winnings because I'm telling you this uh Jose your Keede if he's throwing 90

mile per hour fastballs in the fourth inning like it's not going to work oh no but the other stuff

and the command isn't good enough for him to throw 90 and it's not as if he gets by because he

he throws heat but there's still a difference between 93 and 90 yeah 90 as a right handed

pitcher in Major League Baseball in the year 2026 is not good not good um unless you have pinpoint

control and you're extremely and you have extremely good secondary pitches 90 from the right side

just doesn't work and or Keede doesn't really have those other qualifications he's fine he's well

rounded but like there's no elite option there to kind of throw you off so I just wanted to share

that because I feel like um that that was a big red flag for me this weekend was or Keede broke down

and again it's March 16 so he's going to get another start he's still building his arm up

but he broke down pretty good you can't be throwing the ball 90 miles an hour in the fourth

inning and Majinski has shown that at least the velocity holds up throughout the outing yeah

I mean that's what we're looking to it's a two-way street like it's not even just that or Keede's

not holding up but as you point out Majinski and like the damage in that game from Majinski was all

done early he didn't it's not like he fell apart and then they scored the runs I mean the home run

it happens there's a two-run homer by Adley Rushman right like it happens that's yeah what's

going to happen that's the only runs he gave up was those two runs and he continued to maintain

about the start that's what was impressive you know that's what's making you sit here going back

and thinking like maybe we can try this experiment as a starter again because Paul Schienz went 4.1

gave you up a home run Carmichain goes five and gives up two runs as a fifth star like that's

again like that's that's perfectly fine that's that's what you're wanting from your fifth starter so

again like this isn't just the fact that those two aren't winning it's like oh we got a default

to Majinski this is part of it is they're not winning it but the other part is you know Majinski

all right things are different you know not again I always always howl on this if things are

different I'm open to hearing it it's not just like oh the results are better but I think

the same as last year right I mean he came in last year we talked and discussed he had worked on

the splitter he worked on the pitch mix ready as that curve ball which has been tremendous and that's

always like bringing into this year and things are be different it's like let's let's try it again

let's run it back but we're going to run it back as a different picture almost entirely and so far

he's looked fine so again this isn't just the fact that these two aren't winning the job it also

is part of the fact that like you know Majinski is different and he's doing things that you want to

see from a fifth starter so he's actually winning the job and again it just comes down to is that

difference between an Erkidee is a fifth starter and Majinski is a fifth starter way more than

Majinski in that bullpen role and now that being like you mentioned maybe an Erkidee or something

I don't know but again that's still 20% of your games is a fifth starter

it matters yep last year the Pirates went three and six with Carmen Majinski is like a you know

a regular starter now keep in mind I think as a team they were like eight and 20 like halfway

through that stretch so there's that they were just a really bad team last year but they lost

twice as many games as they won with Majinski starting yeah what I'm gonna say is in that same stretch

they also go three and six with ball skins do they they probably went two and seven right exactly

but anyways it's it's interesting I'll let me say that I mean these next 10 days there's

still something you want to watch as these three guys because this fifth starter battle is

interesting at this point of time yeah there's everybody's probably going to get at least one more

start maybe even two now one more start for for the most part and again as Ethan points out in

the comments here like a decision might have to be made on Mike Clevenger you know by the end of the

week yeah

who do you feel is the safest Clevenger or Erkidee what do you mean by safest to make the roster an opening

day

I would still say Erkidee at this point just because he's the one on the 40 man roster

uh but I mean I could see I could see I'm starting to get to the point where I don't know

if both are gonna make it uh but I am gleaning more and more towards Clevenger being on this opening

day roster in terms of like yeah I'd say that too because I feel like yeah if there's a guy that

is also suited for the bullpen roll because they're not winning the fifth starter I feel like

that's more of a Clevenger than Erkidee yeah but it's all about he is already on the 40 man

he's getting paid a salary right so again that is why this whole battle is interesting there's

there's a lot of things that could implicate you know the opening day starter or opening day roster

yeah I think if you're the pirates and you start with Clevenger and your bullpen on opening day the

reason why you're doing it is just like hey I'm gonna I'm gonna use this guy to get me through

yeah you know a couple months and and maybe I catch lightning in a bottle but

like if we're talking about who's going out there and impressing and winning the job like

Clevenger hasn't won the job by any means right Erkidee certainly hasn't and so if this was

something that was up for grabs yeah but Jenski's making the most of his situation so far

there it is well I have nothing more to add on the fifth starter but I do think people

and that's I think we're trying to do here I do think people need to take the Mijinsky thought

seriously there is some validity to it this isn't just like oh the pirates are like they're

there idiots that are just doing the same thing over and over again there's something a little bit

different now I'm not here to tell you that Mijinsky Mijinsky is the answer I'm going to tell you

that he will be a good starter but there is some intrigue on that so let's let's find out what

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yeah so we've already dropped the the information about the tailgate right so the tailgate is

April 18th it's Paul skiing's bobblehead day it's a Saturday afternoon the tailgate's going to

be at noon if you've been at our tailgates before you you know kind of where we set up or in the

gold lot a gold lot a noon's noon tailgate from Annie's is catering we'll have water

for you as well but it's BIOB if you want to bring any alcohol games of four everyone gets

a Paul skiing's bobblehead night bobblehead so what's cool about that is you don't have to leave

the tailgate early to go wait in the line to make sure you get a bobblehead every one in attendance

gets a bobblehead if you've got to take it come to tailgate then go to the game if you don't

have a ticket yet uh we have a group section that is just for our listeners for our viewers that

i'm super excited about um we dropped that link yesterday so it's on twitter instagram facebook

youtube we dropped that link discord um i'll go ahead and make sure that it's in the description of

this this uh this video in the podcast as well uh but it's a it's a link to get into our group

and the group gives us a few perks one you get a ticket to the game you get to sit with with

the ns 9 gang um and in all ns 9 listeners and viewers so it's going to be a really fun time

i think two your ticket comes pre-loaded with ten dollars in loaded value the pirates were

able to chip that in there uh and then three if you stay after the game uh we're going to do a

group photo on the field following the game uh on april 18th uh so lots of cool perks to get that

get that in um again very limited amount so if you're thinking about going if you want to go like

i would i would get on that asap um because yeah tickets are tickets are going pretty fast on that

yeah we have 48 tickets remaining so again for going through the game

hi come with us have fun we'll be the tailgate you'll get from any brothers we'll have you

know they're catering so we'll have some food beforehand have a good time head over to the game

and again the ten dollars of loaded value on the ticket alone is pretty cool but then uh

go on the field go on the baseball field where maybe paul schemes will pitch or not pitch i saw you

in the facebook comments when someone asks do you think go pitch and you're like oh there's a 20%

chance you will yeah 20% chance you'll catch that day he's pictures yeah there it is so i'm

excited for this though we had a lot of fun last year uh you know we had a group setting as well

this is a little bit different obviously much bigger as well so yeah i'm really excited for

this and again the fact that everyone gets that bubble head that means no one has to leave the

tailgate early you'll get it we'll have fun there we'll walk over together potentially get our

bubble heads sit down and hopefully watch a good game against the rays so going to get tickets

they're on all of our socials you can find that on our website as well uh Jim just dropped the

link in our chat so if you're watching on youtube you can find it there um you know we'll put it

in the description as well for the podcast i'll update that yep and outside of that again Alex

we know about the new show off beat he just dropped his other one this morning as well talking

about the catcher situation so go ahead and watch that as well short Alex will change my mind

on more things thanks Alex and uh outside of that though i think that's that's it for announcements

for now we still got some more coming we also announced uh last week that uh premieres back in

so we've got oh yeah third year of of that happening it's gonna be the same deal as last year

where after every pirates win come to the post game show come to the comments you'll have a

chance to win uh to premiere brother sandwiches and we'll award two winners per win so four sandwiches

given away every single pirates win so let's see how many we can give out let's say you know it's

different than last year the roster so maybe more wins and more sandwiches hopefully thank you Ben

last year was a disappointment yes so hopefully more winners this time more per mani brother sandwiches

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