Social media giants should be worried

Oh, yes, our friends over at Metta, they had it.

Was it a tough week last week or what? I want to dive into it a little bit. I do. We've got to because it was just back-to-back smackdown.

Netta was handed a back-to-back smackdown and Google was a part of it. Google got in on the action.

What does it mean? Not only what does it mean, but what future landslides is this going to create?

Because you know there's a line of people. There is a host of people in line, itching, itching to get a piece of the metapy here.

And they've got to be thinking, if I can show some damage brought to me by Metta, I mean there's a line. I'm telling you, Metta might be in trouble.

Metta might be in trouble. So we're going to look at that. Both the Mexico case or I'm sorry, New Mexico and the Los Angeles case. I want to get into it.

Also last week we were having this conversation on technology and what would it possibly look like if teachers were replaced by screens?

And that conversation was just getting good, but we weren't able to really finish it. So I would kind of like to revisit that a little bit today.

And conjunction with what's happening over there at Metta. And you know, there's some other things. There's an interesting piece from a fellow out of the epoch times talking about life symphonies, which you know, I have fallen in love with the symphony as of late, just fall in love with it.

But you know what I can't get enough of. I'll have kids in my office at any given time. And not necessarily because they're in trouble, but we're having conversations or whatever.

I'll be playing in the background, Mozart's Requiem to see a Requiem.

And they'll look at me like, what's that? Where's that opera coming from? Just a bit because I've fallen in love with it. I can't get enough of it.

But truly, I can't. I'm so mesmerized by it. And this piece here in the epoch times, he asks an important question, is life symphony performance going away?

My only hope is that, no, it's not. It's not going away. And I would love to go to a life symphony. That is, that's one of my objectives, I think, for the, it's a goal that I've got the next 12 months. I want to, I want to sit in on a life symphony. That's where we're going with this.

So I want to look at that. Also, we just got some fun planned for today. We're going to dive into it. I don't know. Maybe we might get to a history class. I don't know.

We'll see how, we'll see how the day goes. I know I normally start history first, but I mean, there's some other stuff I want to get into. So we may get to history class before the day is done.

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Okay, let's, let's look at what happened to matter. I mean, last week meta took it to the throat just just a flat out throat punch.

Well, we'll go to New Mexico first. The jury there found that meta, which of course we know as the parent company of Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp.

Zuckerberg and the gang over there at Met up, this jury found that they violated a state law by failing to fully disclose risks to children and its social media platform.

Raul Torres, the New Mexico Attorney General, brought the case following an undercover operation where adults were able to send inappropriate sexual material to agents posing as under a

large age users. Users, but by the way, remember, we brought that word up last week in our conversation that there are only two industries that refer to their clientele as users, the drug industry.

And this industry right here, the software industry, the social media industry slash software.

But users, that's what we are to them, but we're just users, addicted users. All right, we'll get into that though in the California piece.

So Attorney General Raul Torres alleged that meta violated New Mexico's unfair practices act because met a new about possible danger to children, but hid that from the public.

Here's what he said.

What this case has about is one of the biggest tech companies in the world taking advantage of new Mexico teens.

The jury found that meta breached the state's consumer protection law and imposed a $375 million fine.

$375 million fine.

Who gets that money?

But if it's a fine, who are they paying the fine to, is that going to the state?

Inquiring mind to your one or no, prosecutor Linda Singer had asked the jury to find the social media giant 2 billion holy smokes.

Singer was going for it.

She said safety issues on meta's platforms weren't mistakes. They were a product of a corporate philosophy that shows growth and engagement over children's safety.

And young people in this state and around the country have borne the cost.

Okay, meta attorney Kevin Huff said the company works hard to protect children.

He said meta has 40,000 people working to make its apps as safe as possible. That's what he said to the jurors.

But he said the company cannot intercept every harmful interaction.

No one can with billions of pieces of content every day, even the best system cannot catch all of it, he said.

Huff told jurors the company has an interest in protecting users. There we are again. There's that word users.

Company has an interest in protecting users. And that safety protocols are good for business.

Meta designed its apps to help people connect with friends and family, not to try to connect predators, he said.

Prosecutors have also accused the company of fueling social media addiction.

That was backed up at a trial by testimony from teachers who said they dealt with the follow.

It's clear that young people are spending too much time on meta's products. They've lost control.

Singer told the jury during her closing remarks.

We respectfully disagree with the verdict and we'll appeal. This is what a spokesperson for meta said.

We work hard to keep people safe on our platforms and are clear about the challenges of identifying and removing bad actors or harmful content.

We will continue to defend ourselves vigorously and we remain confident in our record of protecting teens online and our record of protecting our users.

We have to protect our users.

Meta has defended itself by saying that the First Amendment of the Constitution and Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act protect the company from liability.

Section 230 says interactive computer service and providers of this of this service usually cannot be held liable for content published on their platforms by third parties.

Although the statute does not grant blanket immunity, the Supreme Court declined to alter the law in 2023.

Last August, two senators called for the company to be investigated after writers reported it had viewed an internal policy document that said meta's AI tools are allowed to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or central.

If you are finding internal policy documents that allow for meta's AI tools to do that, then I think we've got something here.

And the jury obviously felt that way. The jury obviously felt like there was something here.

It seems that if you run a social media company and if you really cared about kids and you cared about protecting kids that your internal policy documents would say something to the effect that we do not want our AI tools to have the ability to engage a child in conversations that are romantic and or central.

I mean, it seems like that that would be one of the first if if you were interested, I'm just just putting this out there if you were interested in really truly protecting kids, then your internal policy documents would state that.

Would they not?

But if they're stating the opposite, then you know, we've got issues and apparently New Mexico here this jury discovered the same.

I want to know who they're paying this $375 million to.

All right. Now, of course, they're appealing and it'll go to a court of appeals and it's they're going to get some Obama judge who is, you know, he's going to be like, oh, yeah, we're going to throw this. I mean, probably.

And then we'll see what happens when it gets to the Supreme court. It will make its way to the Supreme Court. I'm sure of it.

Because they're going to win on appeal. Look at me, it just out here predicting what's going to happen in the legal landscape.

You know what, you can almost determine if they can find themselves one of the pellet districts that are very left.

You know, you can see which way this thing is going to go, which way it's going to shape out.

But when it gets to the Supreme Court, then really all bets are off because you've got some, you got some wild cards on that bench.

And they have been appointed by Trump. Trump just said, let's, let's mix it up.

Let's get some wild cards on, you know, I don't think you knew that they were, that they had the potential to be rogue actors.

Look at me out here calling Supreme Court Justices rogue actors. I mean, I'm talking about rogue actors from the sense that they don't appear to be conservative in certain areas and certain conversations and certain decisions.

They are going rogue from the conservative plantation as it were from the conservative ranch as it were from the hollowed grounds of conservatism as it were.

I don't think he knew that going into it, you know, when he had his list of names.

I don't, you know, I mean, it's unfortunate. It truly is. It's unfortunate. Now they've made some good decisions, but not all the time, not all of their decisions have been absolutely stellar. So we're going to see, we're going to see what, what happens when, when we get to, so that was New Mexico.

But California, holy smokes, this, this decision in California.

The jury found meta and Google liable and social media addiction trial. Now this one, this, the social media addiction case, this is where holy smokes, things are going to get interesting.

I mean, this is going to open up the door for everybody and their brother to get in line and get a piece of the Google slash meta pie.

That's what we're going to see. And how is it going to change the social media landscape? This is, this is going to be interesting and we're going to, we're going to keep our eye on it.

All right. I'm looking at the clock, speaking of keeping our eye on things and we're coming up against the break. So let's pause here for a minute and then we'll pick up the California case when we come out of the other side of the break.

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Alright, let's go to Los Angeles, Los Angeles.

And let's take a look at round two. Meadow was, Meadow was in a, I don't know, I guess it wouldn't be a two round fight. It was two distinct fights.

And Meadow just got, got it handed to him.

So this was, I feel like these two days were back to back. I think New Mexico came out on the 24th of March.

I think Los Angeles came out on the 25th. And while New Mexico was a bigger dollar amount, they were ordered to pay $375 million in fines.

I think the Los Angeles verdict opens up more of a door. I think the Los Angeles verdict might actually be more substantial because it, it found that Google and, and Meadow were both liable and damages that related to social media addiction.

Now, again, the amount wasn't as great. Six million, six million and damages. And then there was an additional three million and punitive damages, which I think that that three million goes in a lump sum to to KJM KJM here is the 20 year old plaintiff.

Kaley GM. And so we're calling her KGM. She, she was pitted against the two tech giants, Google and Meadow.

And the jury was being asked to consider whether the companies could be held accountable for psychological harms that KJM suffered as a result of an addiction to their apps, YouTube and Instagram.

She claimed she was addicted couldn't couldn't couldn't get off of the three million and and the three million and compensatory damages. Meadow was ordered to pay 70% and Google was ordered to pay 30%.

And then the jury awarded another three million and punitive damages, including 2.1 from Meadow and 900 from Google. All right. So it looks like it looks like the six million is total.

And the half of that and punitive damages looks like it's going to be a lump sum. All right. So I initially I thought that it was six million and then maybe an additional three million for punitive, but that three million looks like it's a part of the six.

The verdict here came after nine days of deliberation and and the interesting thing, the thing that we've got it to keep our eye out on. And that certainly.

Meadow and Google have to keep their eye out on is the stage was set here. The stage was set for thousands of related lawsuits brought by parents, children, school districts, attorneys general across the country.

I mean, they're all in line here. They're like, um, okay, let's go. I mean, I, you know, I, I, I, I suffered some addictions. Why I need to, I need to get in line here.

This could create a blueprint for how to argue future claims and what, what types of damages might be sought.

Snapchat and TikTok, according to this article, they were also defendants and the lawsuit.

But perhaps wisely on their part, they settled before trial began. They're like, we see where this thing is going. Let's settle right now.

Let's let's settle for a portion. Let's and let's just get get out of this thing.

Responding to the verdict, a meta spokesperson, who those meta spokespeople, I'm telling you what, they had a busy week.

And this one says, we respectfully disagree with the verdict and are evaluating our legal options.

You better believe you are. You better believe you, you respectfully disagree and you're evaluating your legal options.

Google, on the other hand, remained silent. They did not offer a comment over five weeks.

This is how, how long the trial lasted. Attorneys sparred over competing narratives about the nature and impact of social media on young people's brains.

And we have been diagnosing as it were. We've been analyzing what takes place and the minds and brains of young people, those who spend a particular amount of time on social media.

We've been looking at the research right alongside this trial here.

So five weeks, this has been on display. But but the other thing that that was really explored in this trial is, is what company leaders knew and when they knew it.

And what may have caused this young woman's years long psychological terminal. That's the key. What did they know and when did they know it?

Did they know that their apps were addictive? Did they create them to be addictive with all the bells and whistles and and chimes and dopamine dumps of likes and hearts?

Well, of course they did. Of course, that's what they want people to keep coming back. Isn't that the point of having a product? Don't you want people to keep coming back to it?

I mean, it seems to me that if you operate a social media company, you want people to use your social media server. You want them to be users.

That's the name. I mean, it's that way for every product. I mean, could we start suing Coca-Cola for making their cola is addictive because of the sugar content that's in it or Pepsi.

Pepsi. I mean, this, I don't, I don't know. I think, I mean, do the companies need to be liable for what they, they knew. I mean, if they knew they were, they were harming kids, you know, I mean, this was the debate against Philip Morrison and the cigarette industry, you know, back in the day, you know, back in the late 80s and early 90s.

I mean, at some point, don't we take responsibility for ourselves? I don't know. I don't mean to come in on one side of the other here, but I think self responsibility, self regulation, self government. I think all of that is important for us.

I think it's something that we have to, we have to align ourselves with. All right. So this, this was the question. What did they know? When did they know it?

So the jurors, according to this piece, they sets don't face throughout the testimony. They heard from therapists, adolescent addiction experts, executives, engineers, whistleblowers. I mean, they, they went through the gamut.

Lawyers picked apart KGM's lengthy medical records. They strolled through her sensitive family history. They debated whether her mental health struggles were, were likely caused or worsened by a social media addiction or possibly by a genetic disposition to mental illness.

Brought on by a chaotic family life marked by neglect and abuse. Wow, this, I'm sure this family's history was dragged through it.

Speaking to reporters after the trial, two of the jurors who will remain nameless, described the painstaking process of reviewing the evidence in every direction of one said.

And carefully considering the law before finally coming to a consensus. One juror who just said, will refer to herself as Victoria.

She said, we looked at everything. We looked at everything. Keeley went through in what the process, these platforms had in place that was going to prevent these harms.

But apparently they discovered that there really wasn't much of a prevention there.

They awarded the three million in compensatory damages based on consideration of what someone like Keeley would have made throughout her lifetime.

Victoria said, we wanted them to feel it. We wanted them to realize this is not acceptable, acceptable, preferring to met it in Google. We wanted them to feel it.

Do you think they're going to feel three million? I mean, really.

She added that some jurors were hesitant to award more substantial punitive damages because it would be paid out to the plaintiff in a lump sum rather than put into a trust.

The judge in this case instructed jurors to consider each company's net worth to be equal to its 2025 total stockholders equity. So these are the numbers at meta was 217 billion.

And alphabet, which is Google's parent company was 415 billion.

So really, do you think they felt 6 million? I mean, if they're net worth, if meta's net worth is 217 billion.

And Google's net worth is almost double that at 450. Do you think they're going to billion with a beat? Are they going to feel 6 million dollars?

We wanted them to feel it. We wanted them to realize this is not, they don't feel it.

This is, this is jump change to them. I mean, and as I said, in the New Mexico case,

375 million. Yeah, okay. I mean, they're going to feel that a little differently than 6 million.

But the thing here is in this case is the door is going to be opened up to meta and Google and even Snapchat and TikTok and the others.

They're all going to, I mean, there's just people in line that they're in line.

The plaintiff in this case testified that she began using YouTube at age 6 and Instagram at age 9.

Okay. So at this point, we just have to ask, where, where, you know, where's mom and dad?

Now, we put YouTube in front of our kids eyes at age 6. We, you know, YouTube kids or YouTube, whatever.

They're watching YouTube. Instagram at 9. I mean, if they have a phone, you know, they're, they're about ready to, you know, go into middle school.

And so they're giving a phone. And guess what? They're on Instagram. They're on YouTube. They're on TikTok. They're on Snapchat.

They're on all of it. This is, this is, it's not good. I'm just telling you right now. It's not good.

KGM soon developing anxiety, depression, body dysmorphia, other disorders, she noted.

She was hooked at times spending 16 hours per day in the apps and returning even after incessant bullying.

Even after being bullied on the on social media, she just kept coming back 16 hours.

All right. So you're sleeping eight. That's every, every waking moment that you have.

You're, you're on social media.

9 out of 10 US teens use YouTube.

73% said they're on YouTube every single day. These are, this is data that the attorneys used. And this is from the Pew Research Center out of a 2024 report.

Worldwide YouTube is the most watched app followed closely by Instagram with both estimated to have between two billion and three billion users.

Ah, they're again, they're again users. We're all users. That's it. We're users.

The high stakes trial unfolded during a critical moment when governments around the world are ramping up online safety laws or imposing blanket social media bands for younger users.

And parents are calling for regulatory reform. What if parents are calling for their own family reform?

You know, what would happen if parents called for a familial reform and start laying down the law?

What do you think would happen if parents just en masse? That's it. We're done.

You don't get social media until you're 18.

Ooh, that would be something. But it's not going to happen. I mean, we know it's not going to happen because, you know, parents don't, they don't have the authority that they want to have.

I mean, that's something that my parents probably would have said 18 Dean, they're 21 dean or when you leave the house, you can, you know, as long as you're under my roof, it's not happening.

And that kind of stuff was happening then.

But, you know, we've sort of let it go. We've just, we've sort of let it go.

And again, it's not, it's not the fault of one group. It's not the fault of parents. Really, it's, it's a collective societal thing.

I mean, it happened in our schools and we let it go. We've, it's happened in the pulpits and churches and we've let it go. And then it's affected the family.

Those, by the way, are the three institutions of society, the school, the church and the family. And they have disintegrated.

And they, and it's, it's been on purpose. It's been a plan. You know, it has been.

Has it been a communist plot? I mean, maybe, I mean, speaking of Instagram, I saw on Instagram the other day.

Pictures from the No Kings rally in New York recently. And the flag that I saw the most, again, this was one photo.

But it's the hammer in the sickle. It's the flag of communism being waived, being flown in New York City, unashamedly.

This is, you know, the school and the family and the church has disintegrated. And the communists told us that they would take over our country without firing a shot.

And they own New York. I mean, they, they own the city of the world. I mean, New York City is the world city. It's the world's capital, ultimately.

And now it's become, it's become a communist stronghold. And it's unfortunate. I'm telling you it's, it's horrible. All right. I'm, I'm digressing. I don't mean to, don't mean to digress. But we got into the parents calling for regulatory reform. And I'm like, why don't they call for familial reform?

We should be recalling for societal reform. But in order to do that, we've got to take back our families. We have to take back our schools. We have to take back our churches.

And that take back has to be organized. It just can't be done on a women little pockets. It's got to be, it's got to be something that we organize ourselves around.

This piece refers to the grieving parents who lost children to suicidal or fatal viral challenges. And so I want to, I want to dive into that. I'm looking at the clock here, though, and I'm up against it on this break.

So let's look at the grieving side of this, of this story of this case. When we come back on the other side, you're listening to the Dean's list on America out loud talk radio.

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Okay, so let's let's wrap up this this case here in and Los Angeles.

Just a host of people came through the jurors literally heard from everybody and their brother grieving parents who lost children to suicide or fatal viral challenges they say were caused by defendants app features.

This was a constant present throughout the trial jurors constantly heard this theme sometimes they arrived before dawn or camped out all night to get a seat in the courtroom.

So they're just I mean these are just not only people testifying but people flooding the room people flooding the area.

Victoria Hinks and her husband Paul Hinks lost their 16 year old daughter Alexandra to suicide in 2024 after a brief struggle with mental illness that they say was driven by by social media.

And here's what Victoria told the epoch times all the parents were so happy we feel our kids are smiling down on us.

And we feel we have a little bit of power back sitting in that room listening to the jury and the system worked and it rendered a just verdict.

I'm glad the jury agreed with the plaintiff that this was an unsafe product.

They made it addictive to children they knew what they were doing and every parent and their tried their best to keep their kids safe.

That's what Paul said her husband the product is broken you can't blame the parents it's not our job to keep their customers safe on their product.

So this is interesting because you know essentially social media is a young industry and we're really just now discovering and realizing what it does to the human brain.

The what we're just now discovering and realizing the addictive power that it has over the human mind, especially young people whose brains are not fully formed yet they're not fully developed that prefrontal cortex.

Yeah it's not you know it hasn't completed its developmental cycle yet.

And we are just now discovering the effects that is being played upon adolescent minds and brains here so I kind of agree with Paul here I think it's fair to say that in this case when we're just now discovering what's happening you can't really blame the parents.

I think after the fact you know after what we're learning and discovering you know that that's a different story.

I mean we get it now and more information is going to keep coming out and we're going to continue getting it and continue understanding it.

But now in this industry relatively young and if these guys knew it and I mean by these guys I mean the the social media companies the tech giant here if they knew it if they understood then I think the onus is on them I think the responsibility solely lies on them.

The case narrowly focused on design and operation features such as infinite scroll beauty filters and the company's proprietary algorithms rather than third party content hosted on the platforms.

So you know because this was this was kind of the beef and the complaint the company said we can't control what's what's being posted on our platforms we can't we can't control the third party content we've got to be you know we're protected by the first amendment section 230 of the blah blah blah blah blah you know you get all that.

But the focus here was on proprietary content of the company their proprietary algorithms their infinite scroll their beauty filters you know etc and here pointing to internal documents unsealed during the trial meta whistleblowers testified that the company was well aware of the harms to young users but chose to ignore them.

Likening defendants to lions stalking wounded gazelles on the Serengeti plaintiffs attorney Mark linear argued that the tech giants trade upon vulnerable teens and pursuit of money and power.

Here's what he told the jury they never go after the strongest they never go after the boldest they find the one that's weaker that's more vulnerable.

That's the one they get that's the one they go after and that's the one they get and the jury's just taking this in and you know while reports said that they were stone faced they're inside they're they're not in their internal heads.

I mean obviously hindsight we see that they were not in their internal heads here.

Mark Zuckerberg among company executives denied designing addictive apps are targeting minors and he questioned whether social media addiction even exists.

Oh okay that's interesting here's what Zuckerberg told the jury during his testimony to me the North Star is making sure we're delivering value.

And people are having a positive experience and if that happens I think people will naturally spend more time on the platform.

So they're having a positive experience there's value there and they're going to spend more time it's not addictive.

I mean the bells and whistles and the dopamine hits I mean that's not that's not on us.

We're we're simply providing a product of value and people are having a positive experience.

Defendants attorney argued that their platforms were a creative outlet for an already troubled child who came of age during the heightened stress of COVID-19.

They said the companies had taken an over cautious approach introducing protective features even when evidence of risks was inconclusive.

They argued that KGM's troubles started long before she began using social media.

This is what one of Metta's attorneys Paul Schmidt told the jury during his closing argument.

He said their case depends on asking you to find that if you focus only on Instagram somehow her life would be meaningfully different referring to KGM.

The evidence did not show that it showed just the opposite.

Google's attorney Louise Lee argued that YouTube is not really social media but rather a streaming app kind of like Netflix.

I mean we're not even social media really we're just we're streaming we're kind of like we're no different than Netflix we're no different than the TV really we're just.

We're just out here streaming you know and kids are just going to get on a watch looks like looks like Netflix.

All right well there it is my friends the six million dollars and again six million dollars is a drop in the bucket.

Six million dollars isn't isn't really much of anything not to these not to these massive companies but what is much is the door that's being open.

And of course Zuckerberg is going to come out and say I don't I don't think social media is addictive.

I mean we're out here just providing a product product to value and people are having a positive experience so of course naturally they're going to come back it's a positive experience.

You know our people at the bar just going back because they're having a positive experience or is it is it is it something more.

Is it something more is it you know do people engage in anything addictive because it's a positive experience or is it is there something more.

And this is the door that opens up and there's a there's a line of people waiting waiting to get a piece of the metapie waiting to get a piece of the Google pie.

And interestingly enough we we get it we know based upon the research that that we've dealt with here just here on this program in the past just in the past few days.

We have talked through the research that explains what is going on in the human brain while well you know screens are being used.

And it's not you know it's it's it's not that it's not addictive.

It is it certainly appears to be that way and and and not only not only that but it also appears to be detrimental to learning detrimental to understanding detrimental to

comprehending we've looked at the studies we've looked at the research and last week we got into this conversation.

What happens when when teachers are replaced by a screen screen screens Emily Chirkin and

neuroscientist Jared Horvath both testified before Congress on the effects of screens and they they were in this this piece put together by the epoch times were both of them are discussing really you know what's happening here.

Researchers according to according to the to the reports your researchers in this area have long compared compared traditional learning methods with learning methods that are based on the screen now I know in these particular meta and Google cases it's not really about education it's not about learning it's about doom scrolling.

But we have an element and education today that really wants to to push tech ed and it will have the the same effect as doom scroll it's not going to be beneficial across studies we we know that writing notes by hand and reading from actual paper

help students remember and understand more than typing or reading on a screen the typing and reading on screen tends to make reading faster but it also makes it more scattered.

But it's it's not only just about screens versus paper there are deeper reasons why students learn better from having an actual teacher in the room rather than then learning from screens because right now there's this push.

There is this there is this technological push that we encourage kind of got to be on their computers they got there ought to be learner from computers.

In his book why students don't like school willing him said that to remember something one must first think about it if an idea does not demand attention and effort the idea won't stick.

When work is too easy students get bored and they drift he said and and therefore many many of these ed tech platforms are designed to to reduce friction they get instant hits there's autofill there's gamified rewards there's seamless search that that creates you know quote unquote momentum.

Students may move quickly and feel successful.

Throughout these these programs as they as they work through and play these games are what are these educational games.

But speed and fluency are not the same as mastery was reading the count of Monte Cristo last night and at one point in the story.

The the Abby and Edmund don tests are are talking about.

You know they're planning their escape from the prison.

And they've been talking about the past two years or the past year how it's not been wasted because the Abby has been teaching don tests philosophy and language and economics and math and he's he's been been receiving an education.

And he you know the Abby was like I can teach you everything and about to everything I know in about two years and don tests was like holy smokes I'm going to get all that in two years I'm going to be brilliant and be said well.

Yes you're going to learn it but you're not really going to know it because.

You know learning yes you'll you'll remember but then there's a philosophy behind it that philosophy comes in the application where you're going to have to actually apply it.

And it it applies here to this to this ed tech platform design where speed and fluency of getting through a game and maybe.

You know solving some math problems for for rewards those those aren't the same as mastery speed and speed and fluency aren't the same as mastery mastery comes when there's a philosophy of a thing that's being studied.

And you can spit it back out and you understand the wise and and and and the house and the wins and the wears.

You get all that and it's it's not really it's not going to happen through through technology.

It just isn't technology my friends is not the savior of the country it isn't going back going back that's that's what'll save us going back to our roots going back to our founding.

All right so meta and Google took a throat punch last week we're going to see where this goes from here.

It is going to be interesting what other doors are going to open up who's going to walk through who's going to demand a piece of their own pie who wants the money.

That's what that's what's going on or that's what this is all about all right my friends were up against it.

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