Soul Weathered. Becoming a Strong Homeschool Dad!

0:00Hi everybody welcome back to homeschool Minnesota. My name is Dan Lannond. This one today is for the husband's fathers, young men, old men in our lives. For those of you who have high schools, guys in high school, this is a great, great Bible study or devotional for them. For those of you who are thinking about what do I get that? My dad for Christmas this year. This is a really great thing to get them. I just, I love devotions to a certain extent, but I was telling our guests today Mark Fulk before we started. The thing I like about his devotional is that it keeps you in devotion all day. You start and then you get a question and it's meant to be a question that sticks with you and I love that. So we're talking about the devotional today, soul weather. This is the book right here. I'm going to give it to you guys right here. Can you see it? All right. All right. Mark Fulk is the director. It's a one year devotional invites men to slow down, go deep and get real about their faith and the trail that God is leading them on. So I want to welcome Mark. Hi Mark.

1:01Hey Dale, thank you so much for having me on. Thank you so much for being on today and taking time out of your schedule. Can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your family? Yeah, I can tell you a little bit about myself. I am 65 years old. I'm a husband, father, grandfather. I'm a director of a ministry and I'm profit to men. I have been a singer, pastor, minister, business man. For a lot of, I've done a lot of things. Been a missionary. I've done a lot of things. I'm now an author. I've been writing all my life, but it wasn't until last year that I felt like I had something to share and to say so I wrote so weathered. I'm an adventurer. I'm an outdoorsman, entrepreneur. I have perfect pitch. Some people always ask, what's something no one else knows about you? Well, I have perfect pitch as a musician in high school and in college. I've been a DJ. I've been a busboy.

2:04I've been a fence builder. I've been a fly fishing guy. Still am. Rock climbing guy. All kind of things. There's a lot to do. You've done it all. Most men, actually, men just, they're just adventurous. I'll do that. I'll try that. I'll do that. It blows my mind. They're just willing to just step in there. I love that. Your book shows that. Let's start with what caused you to write this devotional. Where did it come from? I've been working on another book for several years. A book about the God adventure. I was doing research for this for my other book. I was going to my journal's day. I've got just dreams and dreams of journals. I've got backpacks sitting everywhere. My wife said, we need to do something with these. I've got all these journals. I was going back to my journals and just doing some research for that book. I started flipping through these journals. I started seeing just, man, I've forgotten things. I've forgotten these moments

3:11that reminded me of reading David in the Psalms. A lot of them. His anguishes, his praises, his debates, all these things. I think in God kind of prompted me, these would be good to share with me in. That really began in earnest about mid-year last year. I started weaning them down from the hundreds of pages and then putting together soul-weathered. That's how it came about. I like that. It's easy to follow devotional. We were talking about that a little bit before the podcast where one chapter is about three to four pages and a week with minimal writing, which for men, I think that's a draw. They just want to write their simple, they don't want to write like lots and lots of answers to questions. They just, they want to process. With minimal writing,

4:12but lots of scripture and space to reflect about what God is showing you as you go through these devotional. Why did you write it that way? It's very different from the women devotional. We talked about that a little bit before too, where women's devotional are very like they take you, you know, they they they guide you. Your devotional is very this is it. Now spend the day thinking about it and then process it. Yeah, you know what? As I was writing this, preparing to write and and to how to format it, I really wasn't clear, but there's a I have a journal that it see us Lewis didn't write it, but it was put together by someone else. And it is just is from his letters. He responded to people and I did that journal and it literally is just a paragraph or two and then underneath it is just lines for you to reflect. And that's what gave me the idea for how to format so whether. And as I began to write and put the journals down and I did I intentionally kept them at the most a page or maybe a page and a half long.

5:19And then I wanted to have some questions and some scriptures for men to think about and then placed to just write down. Yeah. What you know, what is God saying? What am I feeling? What's going on? Because it was very much falling down journal prompts, you know, as I you know, as I was writing down these journals, that's what it was. There were these, you know, things that came to my mind, whether there were revelations or there were out of anguish, out of despair, out of, you know, just man, I recognize something here at this moment and I would write those down and I wanted to give that opportunity in so whether for men to do the same thing. So I wrote it instead of as a daily devotional. I wrote it as a weekly devotional and as you said, one of the things that we do with men in our experiences, our adventures as we do just this, we give them in a question a day and we'll send them out hunting or fly fishing or backpacking or whatever. We'll start our day off with, you know, a devotional or a theme or a topic and then we'll do one question and we said, go spend

6:23today with that question. Yeah. I love that. And let God speak into that. Yeah. And that's how so whether it was, teaching them to build a friendship with God and not just a, you know, give and take, I guess it's more just a, hey God, what do you think about this? You know, where am I on this? Am I letting you be a part of this? Is this something I'm just doing on my own? You know, just kind of processing, is there a particular week that really, you had to dig deep for? I mean, like, like it was, I mean, I know you dug deep for all of them because it shows. It's very, yeah, you don't waste words and I like that. I like that about a devotional. But I think the thing, you know, is there a particular week where you were like, this one is very tender because it's a place of like, there's so many of a little bit of hurt or something or something that you're being very vulnerable with them about, hey, this is what I dealt with or this is something that I struggle with or can you talk about me? One of those weeks that really hit you while you're writing.

7:25I can't remember which week it is, but there's one about my daughter who has Crohn's disease. And we discovered this in the, when she was in high school, between her junior and senior year, she and I had gone on a mission trip to Nicaragua. I wanted her to see and experience what I had experienced many times on the mission field, you know, the presence of God in miracles and things like this. And we had gone there. She went with me and we did, you know, I spoke to me and we did, we did all kind of medical clinics and all kinds of things and she really worked hard. And while we were there, she got sick and she didn't stop her from working and she had all kind of ulcers in her mouth and fever but she kept on going and on the way when we got home, you got even worse. She got really sick and we could not, we had her doctor after doctor and after doctor. And this would have been, we had gone in the spring. So this would have been late summer and we were, we had just

8:30were in and out of the hospitals and this was even, we finally got a after she had been to immunologist and into, you know, all these different things have been treated for us. I can't remember the disease. She got some antibiotics and treatment for a disease, you know, she caught something over there. Well, that triggered, that triggered something else. We thought she was better. Anyway, we finally get a diagnosis in July of that year. And it was my youngest daughter's birthday and we get this diagnosis that Madison has all sort of collitis, which is what I have had all my, since I was in my 20s. And I remember I'm writing about in this journalist that I, you know, my youngest daughter who I've basically not had any time with because I've been taking care of my oldest daughter who's six years older and she wants to camp out in the backyard on her birthday. And my youngest daughter is really just sick in the house and I'm out back with my,

9:32youngest daughter. And I'm just, you know, we've just gotten this diagnosis and I'm just telling you, I'm just angry with God. I'm blaming myself. I'm, you know, every emotion you can imagine is going through my mind and I'm having, and my daughter is just a few feet away from me asleep in the tent in my backyard and I'm sitting around the fire in July in North Carolina, which is, you know, not very smart. But, and I'm just, yeah, but I'm just, I'm just at this point where I'm mad. I'm just pleading to God. I'm, I'm praying with all my might let, you know, like Jesus, let this cut pass her. I don't want her to have to suffer the way I've suffered it. She has enough on her plate, you know, with this disease. And, and I'm just, I'm just, you know, I'm, tell you, I'm really seeing their expecting God to say to me, it's, I'm going to heal her. I mean, I've, every bit of my being, I'm thinking my prayers as a father has power. Yeah. And now, you know, what I,

10:32I don't, and God speaks, but he's just not saying what I want him to say. Yeah. Not always. You know, but he does say to me, he said, I prepared you for this. Okay, God. And I'm like, okay, you prepared me for this. And the other thing, he said, you're going to have to be there for her. And, you know, that was really tough. I didn't, well, I mean, I heard it clearly. And I'm like, what do you mean? Well, you've, you've, you've had, you, you've got all sorts of collitis. You understand what she's going to be going through. The other was, is that the journey ahead was really, really, really difficult from that day forward, till she was, I mean, told for the next, you know, six or eight years of just fighting for her life, fighting for her helping in and out of the hospitals, whether in ERs, you know, fighting for the right treatments, insurance companies, um, being, you know, seeing her being put on a feed and tube, you know, in the hospitals for, you know, weeks, month of the time at home, bed ridden throughout

11:36her senior year and that. And I was the one, because we had another daughter that needed to be taken care of by her mother, I was the one that was in all those places. I was the one that God said, I'm going to give you the strength to go through this with her. I did not know that at the time. Yeah. But that was a, but that, but hearing, it was one of those things and this would happen throughout that experience is I would cry to God many times when she was in pain and suffering and having to have a procedure. And I would go to God. I didn't have any answers for many times. I didn't have, what do I say to her when she says, this, why is this happening to me? So this happened and God would come to me every time, not with what I wanted to hear, but what I needed to hear, what I needed to hear. And so that's probably those moments are probably the most tender, the most heartfelt, the deepest in terms of any parent would understand, watch their child suffer. You want to take the suffering for them. I mean, you would do anything. Right.

12:36And so there's a series of those in here where those are probably the most raw. But God showed up in just, in these very succinct, poignant, revelatory moments to say things to me just in time for what I need, literally just in time, what I needed or what she needed or what my wife needed, or what my little girl, other little girl needed. Yeah. And as the dad, I think of the family, the, you know, that it's hard because men want to fix everything. They want everything to be better. They want to, and they take it upon themselves that they're the ones that are supposed to do that for their whole family. And I think about that. And I think about the reason why you could hear God's voice, the reason why you could rely on him is because you had taken time to know him. And you had taken time to understand him. And you had taken time to practice hearing him, to practice getting to know him. You know, I think oftentimes as, as, and I mean, I'm coming from a woman's perspective, but I'm married to a man. And I have a dad and son. So I, you know, and I watch them,

13:40and I think about how so much of what they do because, you know, men are being, are raised to be very independent, to be very, you know, rely on yourself because other people rely on you. And, and I think that that really hinders sometimes a man's real devotion and, and walk with the Lord in a deep, deep way because it's like they want their answer now. And they want what they, you know what I mean? And, and, well, and then I'm just going to do it if God's not going to come through. Then I, it's, it's very good. And, and I, I totally get that. And, um, and they take, it's, they take their responsibility as husbands and fathers seriously. And so I think some, that's why I think a book like yours, getting them to daily practice, the presence of God, which is a really, another really good book by the way. To daily practice the presence of God when they're, you know, if you're somebody who hasn't really been doing that, this is the perfect book to start with

14:40because it's going to really bring you there in a very direct but gentle at the same time way. When you talk about the wilderness in your book a lot, that's something that comes up a lot. And, and I think it's because obviously as a, as a outdoorsman, you know, that's just a place you spend a lot of time physically. But also it, it sounds like spiritually with what's been going on with, you know, what went on with your daughter. Um, what do you mean when you say that the wilderness isn't only a place but also a season? Well, I can, I certainly can speak from both personal experiences also with my ministry to me. And, you know, wilderness, um, if you look at the definition of wilderness, it's, it's a wild, uninhabited place. It can be dangerous. It can be, you know, it can be self-imposed. Um, you know, it's, it's a place that it can be beautiful. It is beautiful. And, you know, as a matter of fact, Jesus, you know, and God put us on the earth, He put us in the Garden of Eden, but outside of that was wilderness. And He said go and subdue that wilderness, manage

15:46that wilderness take, you know, I want you to manage that. You know, Eden was just a, just a, you know, this area of the job was considered wilderness. But so wilderness and again is a, is as you said, it's all the above, you know, I want to go back to Moses. You know, my inspiration for new wilderness and from what I believe about wilderness, Moses was, if, if people don't realize he went from, you know, a child being sent down the Nile River to being taken into Egypt, and then he being exiled because he murdered us, you know, one of the slave masters. And he, we end up finding him in the wilderness, tending sheep. You know, he sees a fire on the mountain, on the mountain top and he goes up and God basically says, I'm going to send you into a new wilderness. I want you to go back to Egypt, okay. And I, and Moses has, okay, you know, we all know the, the debate there in the argument, exes 3, 1 through 4. And of course, Moses returns to Egypt,

16:46takes them out and he ends up back after the delivery, after everything and the, you know, we're on our way to the promised land, he ends up again in the wilderness, right? For 40 more years, stumble around the wilderness. And so there's, there's all these different areas of wilderness. So what I was sharing this not too long ago, what is wilderness? It's a place we go for, you know, one of the things that I believe and I write about and talk about is that wilderness and the, in salt weather out in the wilderness, you know, scripture says all creation is in the absence of man's praise, all creation, praises. And you know, if you, anytime you step out, I don't care if it's out in the woods behind your house or in a park or something like that, there's a, there's a rhythm there that is unhindered by the noise and the, you know, and so we go there and I've heard this for years, Dale, for me and oh, this is my church, this is my church, this is my church, when I go out here hunting, backpacking, fishing, camping, you know, whatever, this is, yeah, and I finally

17:52said, what is that about God? You know, well, it just came to me. This is where we got as unhindered. I mean, I mean, the very trees and rocks and streams are praising God. Yeah. You can't get caught up, you get caught up in that course, you get caught up in that choir, okay? You, you experience that, even pantheists know this, right? And other, you know, and so there's that wilderness where we go, where Jesus went to be with his father alone, he left all these crowds, all this ministry, all this work many times and goes, I need to go and he went out there to be tempted, spent 40 days before he started his ministry to be with the father. So, you know, we have that wilderness we can go to. Then there's the wilderness that will be find ourselves lost. I've been lost in the wilderness. There. Yeah. Yeah. I've been lost on trails by myself or leading others. There's nothing worse than especially at night. There's nothing worse than being lost in the wilderness and not knowing which way to go, not knowing which straight, you know, direction to go in. And that's, you know, not,

18:52then there's been my own personal self-imposed wilderness that I talk about and so on. Whether or not. Yeah. There's this period of my life where I like you were saying earlier, then inside about how men will just take off and go on their own, not relying on God. And they find themselves after a time away or part from God in this wilderness, you know, this wilderness season where they don't know which way to go. They've got chaos around them. They've got relationships that's are broken or dedictions or whatever and they put themselves apart from God in the wilderness. Yeah. And so there's a wilderness is all these different areas that, you know, we can find ourselves in. And so that's, and then there's, you know, my trail walking, my experience but also there's periods in my life where, you know, I might be able to wake up one morning and just completely feel like I'm in a wilderness of desperation or confusion. And I mean, as someone

19:59who's been in dangerous situations and storms and in whiteouts and in, you know, a lot of different things to be disoriented and not know which way to go, that's that's, I think in today's society, many, many people wake up and struggle with anxiety, despair, depression, fear, chaos. And, and, and, and that's a wilderness that we find ourselves in. And as I say, you know, my nor star, my is, you know, when I get in those places, I only have one place to look. Exactly. And that's, that's God. I've got to, okay, God, get me, get me out of this, show me the way out or show me what you want me to experience here. Well, and I think part of that is because, you know, God lets, he, you know, he's not here to like impose himself upon us. That's not what God does. I mean, we, we get to decide. And so I'm a fixer myself. I tend to want to fix things. And if I don't see God coming through the way I, you know, like, then I feel

21:00like he's going, well, then you just go ahead, Dale, I trust you. Like, why would I even do that? But I do, I honestly think, well, then he just wants me to take care of this. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't worry about how this is supposed to get done. And instead of just going, no, I'm going to stop and I'm going to be faithful. And I'm going to find out what he wants. And I'm going to wait until he shows me what to do next. And we're good waiting. I just barrel ahead. And then I find myself like you said in the wilderness, kind of wondering what's next. You know, there's a difference in your book, you talk about comfort and faithfulness and the difference between the two. Can you talk a little bit about that? Because I think that's a really strong point that we all need to understand. Well, I can give you, you know, very quick, I can tell you, I remember I was in my late 30s, mid to late 30s. And I was on track for a very nice life, very secure life. Very I had had a successful business. I had real estate, had a lot of plans. And I was literally doing,

22:10you know, and I was in church. I had my daughter in church. My wife was in church. I was a deacon. I was a, you know, a ministry director. I was doing all those things, right? Very, I mean, I like my clothes. I like my suits. I like going to church on Sundays and doing wins in like, you know, dinners and I like, you know, very busy and fairly comfortable at that point. There've been discomfort, but you know, other times, but at that point, these things are good. Now, I remember going and doing, you know, still trying to pursue God, still trying to, you know, kind of in a comfortable way. And I remember we were doing a group of my friends and I were doing experiencing God by Henry Blackaby. Another good book, by the way, everybody should do. And there came a point when in one of the exercises, I went out one day to just practice exercises. And I had this little girl who's now four years old. And I'm asking as part of my exercise, how do I be, you

23:12know, what spurred it? What's something spurred this question to me? How do I father? How do I help my four year old know God? Yeah. And how do I lead my wife? Well, I've been, you know, and God led me to this answer that I thought I was doing most of that, but God basically said, follow me, just follow me. I'm like, I thought, you know, well, that's what I thought I'm doing. And he said, no, you are following me at your convenience. Wow. When it's convenient. And so basically, what I'm the one who's pursuing you, you're not pursuing me. And that change. And I, you know, I felt like Moses before the burning bush when, you know, when he says, who does is that you say that sent me and he said, I am, I felt like that because I all said and I realized I had, yes, I had answered God and sought God many times, but it was always out of convenience and comfort. Oh, you know, and half-heartedly or, you know, you know, you know, as long as it didn't disrupt my life

24:14too much or my business or my personal ministry or whatever. And so that in what I heard God say, I pursued you all the way to the cross with my son. It's loud. And that I broke down and just realized I was, and I came away from that saying, I'm going to be the lead follower in my family. Not a leader, but the lead follower. And I'm going to take my, I'm going, and what I want my children and what my wife to see is me pursuing God heart. Well, 25, 26 years later, you know, I have, and my very best tried to be faithful and obedient. And if anyone were to look at my life in those 25 years, it would make no sense financially, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, it would make no sense because it would, people would look at and say, what, you know, or he gets a frenic or you're crazy or how do you do this? How did you go without, you know, we made choices in following God that did not match, I guess, the traditional

25:20Western idea of comfort. You know, when I started New Wilderness, we sold out everything. We disengage from every form of security for our future. We did. We, I mean, all of our investments, all of our properties, all of our retirement. We just, we said, we got to cash it all in. And, and that's kind of been the story ever since as we, you know, we make continue as, as a family, as a father, as a ministerial, and we continue to make those decisions that are so hard, they don't, Lord, am I crazy? Am I a lunatic? You want me to do what? You want me to change everything now? And pursue you because I've got all this momentum, Lord. I've got all this built. And, you know, and I've discovered that a lot of times what I built, God has said, you're getting too comfortable, you're getting too, you know, and I need you to continue to follow me. And so when you ask that question about what's, what's difference between comfort and faithfulness and obedience? Yeah. Man, you've got to be willing to follow God with everything you've got. Not just

26:26your talents and your skills, but your, you know, your livelihood or your, you know, your plans. And that's the hardest thing. It is. Especially for a man, our plans are hard to give up. Yeah. Well, and you talk a lot, one of the things you talk about is a half-life, like living a half-life and people suffer from half-life. Yeah. Tell us about, you know, talk about that a little bit, just real briefly, just half-life and the fullness that God has for us. What does that look like? And, you know, and it's not even, it has nothing to do with material things necessarily. Because you can be somebody who is being so obedient to God and blessed materially and financially. Everybody's, everybody's trail is different, right? Yes. So what does it mean to live just to settle for a half-life? And how do you know you're settling for that? That is like, how do you know of yourself? You're settling for it. Yeah. Because I mean, there's probably people thinking that they're not. You know what? Well, you know the story of the Israelites in the desert when they're hungry and God

27:27sends them mana. And it's mana every day. And they eat the mana and they're just full. I mean, you know, it's like Elven bread or something. It's just really, you know, this great, it's every day. And, you know, he tells them, don't gather it up. You know, don't try to store it or gather up because it's just going to rot and it's going to get bad. But you know, I'm going to give you enough every day to live on and to be full and to have all the energy you need and everything you need. I'm going to give you the do. So, you know, I think it's for me again, if I go back to my again, I can only tell you what my wife and I, we live for a lot of years. I mean, we've lived, we've never gone with that a meal. I have never, I mean, my visible, if people saw what my income has been over the last 25 years as opposed to what it was and what it could have been, they would, they would say, we can't live like that. We can't, we can't go, you know, and live, you know,

28:27at that, it's just not possible. It's not possible to go without this or go without that or live without insurance or live without, you know, and, you know, so it's this decision of trusting in God. You know, and so I know, I can tell you, I can tell if you're living with anxiety and fear every day about, I don't care if it's your finances, if it's your food, if it's your paycheck, if it's, you know, the relationships that you have each and every day, if you are living with fear and desire for more every single day and not experiencing the fullness of what God can bring you, that's a half life. If you're always, if you're always warning more, grasping more, or, you know, in being more, there's something, you know, but to look at, you know, take a snapshot of your life and say, and just, man, I'm so blessed. I'm so good, you know, there's a story in the scriptures about in a New Testament, the parable of the, the gold in the field. You know, and I feel like I found

29:29the gold in the field. And I've sold everything to buy that field. And I, you know, I want to share the gold. And the gold is my life versus Proverbs 423. Garge your heart is the wellspring of life. Amen. And, you know, in a wellspring is an unending, artesian well of life giving flow. It's water that just comes up and, you know, starts rivers and headwaters and, you know, just, you know, just feeds the land. And so I think one of the things that I, the metaphors I use in some of my writing is that we are most people are crowded into cold caves, you know, with their trying to get warmth from dying embers instead of going out and embracing the fire, you know, getting into the fire of life. And the only place that life comes from is from God, the Father, the provider, the, you know, the source of everything, every bit of knowledge, wisdom, the Holy Spirit, you

30:29know, can guide us into all truth, all life, life, meaning not just living, but life abundant. You know, what does abundance look like? Is it well? No, it is joy, happy, all the fruits of the Spirit. Okay, go look it up. You know, the fruits, what do you want today? Do you want money? Or do you want happiness? Do you want peace? Do you want joy? Do you want, you know, gentleness, patience, kindness? Do you want all those things in your life? That's a picture of full life is having those. Yes, I wake up some days or get caught up in things sometimes that I feel the weight or stress or whatever, but I immediately go to God. Okay, I don't want to be stressed about this. I don't want to live with despair or confusion. And I have to go to him and be reminded of what's what's what's what do you what's life? Do you have to me? And he always brings me life through his disruption, right with truth. You know, don't worry, I love you. I've got this. We've got this. I've got a plan. You need to allow me. But you know, I don't want it to be

31:33just a metaphorical answer. Because there's a reality to how God has provided for our family over all these years. And you know, we didn't we our cars are all old cars. We've been driving the same, you know, a lot of the same cars for years and years, years, we don't get a new car every year. Have we ever missed out on that? No. We did not have we never went on very fancy vacations, but we but we had friends that you know, provided place for us to go and stay and you know, and we had the best of times we had, you know, we've never missed a meal. No. Even though our incomes were below poverty level and still are in terms of, you know, what the the U.S. Yeah, nine states, right. That's be honest. You know, and we had we had families and people around us that, you know, joined us in life. And so, you know, a half life is where I would think anybody that's struggling with every day is trying to

32:38fuck each life out of something where you're just constantly under this chaotic anxiety driven world is that you that's a half life. You need to seek God not that we don't experience those things. Oh, there's times of that. Yeah. But God is, man, he's more than sufficient to interrupt those moments with exactly what we need. Or actually more than what we need. Yeah. He brings more than what we need and answers. And I see it every day in people's lives. Yeah. Yeah. You know, people that get answers, miracles, revelations, you know, gifts that come in ways that, you know, it's the fish, you know, it's the corn and the fish's mouth that I've seen. Yeah. You know, many times. And we think money is just the only issue. And that's another problem. It's not as we think it's all up, you know, if we don't have enough money, we're not going to be able to, but we're not going to have happiness or joy. You know, so that's a real problem. It is. It is. Well, I just want to thank you so much again, everybody. This is the book Soul Weathered

33:43by Mark Folk. I'm just so glad that you're on today. And, you know, again, for that dad or that man in your life, that young man, the father, the grandfather, you know, this is a great father's day gift, birthday gift. Christmas is coming. Awesome gift for Christmas. Let them start the year out. Like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. 2027 is my year to become friends with Jesus, to really understand who he is and who I am and how I can, how I can be the best follower of him, the lead follower of him in my family, in my life, in my circle of friends. And what is it that he wants me to do? And I'm going to learn to be obedient so that I don't have to live a half-life. I can live in the fullness of God and what that looks like. So thank you so, so much for your obedience in in needing men to the foot of the cross and understanding who they are in Jesus and how he sees them and and giving them the tools to be able to go deep in their walk with him in a way that

34:44just signif that just that just ministers to who they are. So thank you for that. I appreciate it. Thank you for your time today. Thank you, Dale, for having me on and I will be praying for Minnesota homeschools and yeah, amen. We're excited. So for those of you who listen, thank you guys so much for being here today. Thanks for your faithfulness and and we'll see you again twice a week. Mondays and Thursdays. We'll see you again soon. Have a great day. Bye.