State of the Yankees with MICHAEL KAY - Breaking Balls with Tony Mazz

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So I will freely admit here on Breaking Balls that when we start talking about teams throughout major league baseball.

The usual suspects interest me the most.

Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, Giants, Cardinals.

The big market teams, the big market areas.

The teams with some history.

So the Yankees are headed into Boston at the beginning of next week.

Tuesday Wednesday Thursday for a three game series.

I thought this would be a good opportunity to further examine some of the differences between the two teams.

How they operate that sort of thing.

So we're going to speak with Michael K momentarily here and the voice of the Yankees, Michael K.

Yes, network.

Obviously also a BSP and radio who has been at a long time colleague.

Someone whom I think very highly of and then beyond that.

We'll touch on the San Diego Padres because I think there's an amazing thing going on out there.

With the Padres who have been playing pretty good baseball of late or very good baseball of late and are really.

I don't want to say there's a story in the game, but they have a closer and Mason Miller who is performing at ungodly and unseen levels with the Padres.

So we'll get to that momentarily.

But let me let me start by saying this that the Yankees and the Red Sox have often been looked at as peers.

And in many ways, they still are.

So as I think about this, let me just punch something up here quickly.

As I think about this and I look at the teams and their payrolls for 2026.

When you look at it on paper, you would say, OK, well, when you start talking about the luxury tax.

You know, the Yankees are at $337 million.

They're third in the game. The Red Sox are six.

Now, the gap between the two based on luxury tax is fairly sizable.

But the point is the Yankees don't want to compete with the Los Angeles Dodgers either.

The Dodgers and the Mets firing away the two highest payrolls in the game.

Then the Yankees fill these Toronto Boston. And again, that's in luxury tax revenue.

But this idea that that the Yankees and the Red Sox are the same is now wrong for this reason.

When you look at the Yankees roster, they have signed a number of players to what I call mega deals.

I think that those are contracts that basically cater to star players, Garrett Cole, Aaron judge.

Players like that have, you know, nine, 10 year, 12 year contracts worth an excess of $300 million.

The Yankees have not shied away from those kinds of players. The Red Sox have.

So I wanted to speak with Michael K about a lot of things.

First of all, the state of the Yankees, what their chances are.

And some differences between Boston and New York.

We did a little this with Mike Vicaro last week.

So to start, here is my discussion with Michael K on the Yankees in particular,

but in part, the difference between Boston and New York now in 2026.

Well, look what we have here. Michael K, voice of the New York Yankees longtime colleague,

kind enough to join us. So look, let me get right to it.

What's what's the story with Yankees? Feels like it's been a little up and down here to start the year.

Well, they played 800 baseball for the first 10 games and then they had a five game losing streak.

Now they split two games. Listen, I don't have many concerns with the team that I have to.

And I said this at the beginning of the year, the bullpen.

It's not your typical Yankee bullpen. I think it's a work in progress.

They've got people in the minors that they might eventually go to if they don't make a deal.

So that's been shaky.

And Ryan McMahon has not been able to hit.

We know he's really good defensive third baseman, but he has not been able to hit all that much.

He has five hits on the year. And they're all singles has not really driven the ball at all.

No slug whatsoever. Really, really not a threat at all.

So what we're seeing is we're seeing.

Boom play.

Wasario more at third base, especially against all left handers.

The only time that he would never sit down, McMahon is when Max Fried starts,

because Fried throws it in an important amount of ground balls that end up at third base.

So he wants his best defender there.

As anytime there's a lefty on the wrong early going now, it's been Rosario playing third base.

So look, Michael, you've seen, you've seen this team obviously is intimately as anybody has.

And I think people look at the Yankees and say, I know I do.

I look at them and I say, look, the starting pitching could be elite.

And they don't even have all guns blazing yet.

The way that Fried and Schlittler both started, look like they were going to be world beaters.

And I think they're able to, depending on obviously the health of Cole and Rodan and how that all shakes out,

could be very good.

But the lineup is always seemed like a softball team to me.

I don't think I'm the only person that feels that way.

Has that changed?

Is it as much of an issue or is the pitching good enough to get them through?

Well, I think the pitching could be elite.

And I think that they have so much starting pitching, Tony, that that could help solve the bullpen too.

So I mean, they're going to be, they're going to be left out of the starting rotation like weather's throws really hard left hander.

He could go into the bullpen and that can answer a big question out there.

They've just got too many starters for five spots.

And as you said, it all depends on whether Cole comes back healthy and Rodan.

Then the top four, I defy any team to have a better top four than Cole, Rodan, Fried and Schlittler.

It's pretty good.

In terms of the softball, I assume that you mean it's a home run hitting team.

It seems built in home runs. That's all there is to it.

They're not a contact team.

They will they'll trade obviously the strikeouts for the home runs.

So last year they led the majors and run scored.

They led the majors and home runs.

And it always works during the regular season.

They really, really does.

You know, you're going to get your 90 to 95 wins just hitting home runs and getting good pitching.

The question is what's going to happen in the post season when the when the pitching gets better?

Now, the narrative is false when you say you can't win with home runs in the post season.

If you look in the post season, the majority of the runs are scored by home runs.

Right.

But you right.

You just have to you have to, you know, make contact every now and then.

I think the Yankees will take the strikeouts from stand and they'll take the strikeouts from from from judge.

The bottom of the order where you're not hitting 40 home runs.

You'd like to have more contact, but it's simply not a contact hitting team.

And that's the way it's built.

So it's not that anything's gone a wire.

They just don't they don't build a contact getting team.

So Michael, look, this is one of the dilemmas here is that, you know, usually the trade off has always been that strikeouts come with home runs.

Usually the power hitters and the guys that strike out a lot.

So you live with the strikeouts because they're going to hit the ball out of the ballpark.

The problem now is that teams have built rosters or not, I shouldn't even say it that way.

Have developed players with the idea of turning everybody into a home run hitter.

And some of these guys just aren't.

So the red socks are getting the worst of both.

I just give you this two second assessment of them.

They have a bunch of guys who strike out who don't hit home runs, which is, you know, which is to me a double win.

They're part of the reason they're six and 11.

But does the Yankee fan look at the Yankees and say, OK, yeah, they score.

They hit home runs, but fundamentally, wow, they made a lot of mistakes on the bases last year.

You know, it's a plotting team.

And that's as much what I mean about the softball part of it is the offense diverse enough.

How do fans feel about that offense?

Well, couple of things.

They actually run a lot.

I'll take the extra base.

Statistically, I think they were 29th last year, like going first to third.

And some of that is circumstantial.

You don't want a guy trying to take their base when judge is coming up next.

So I mean, they run with some caution, but they steal bases.

They really do.

I think the second and the big leagues and stolen bases right now.

And last year, they might have been.

Fifth to seventh.

I'm not quite sure.

The bottom line is, and I hate to say this.

I don't want to paint everybody with the same broad brush.

I don't know what is embossed in.

I can imagine the anti-fans are not thrilled because I'm one of World Series since 2009.

So it's like one of these things, even on my radio show, to wake me up in October.

I don't care.

I mean, Tony, this is how how sick it's gotten.

They find negative things to say about judge.

Yeah, he won the batting title.

Yeah, he's won three MVP's.

But he hasn't hit the postseason.

And then I said, well, he hit 500 last year, other than win.

So they're not going to be happy unless they win a World Series again.

And the fact that they haven't won it since 2009 just infuriates a lot of the fan base.

I wouldn't say everybody, but infuriates a lot of the fan base.

So Michael, it's funny to bring this up because not so long ago.

I went through and I just set an 800 OPS as a barrier.

Okay, and I looked up all the Yankees position players.

Since 1920, who played a thousand games for the Yankees,

and finished with an OPS of 800 or higher.

Okay, and they were only I think there were 24 names on the list.

19 of them had one World Series.

Judge was the one who had not.

So not one of the five matting these obviously on that list.

Who Bobby Mercer was on that list.

I'm talking about winning a World Series with the Yankees.

Does he feel that burden?

He must feel that burden in New York.

I think he does, you know, being a captain, he takes that seriously as well.

And he feels the burden.

And, you know, I spend most of my time on my radio show defending him.

And like last week, I said, you know what, I'm done.

Because anything I throw at you.

Anything, you know, the big hits that he has had in the post season,

the home runoff class A, getting the home run into the double

and the elimination game in the 2024 World Series and two walks hitting 500.

It doesn't mean anything to anybody.

This is a line that's missing on his resume.

That's all there is to it.

And the only way he stops that narrative is he has to win a World Series.

And, you know, it happened with a rod.

A rod got the same abuse until 2009 when he pretty much carried that team

to its last title.

That's what Judge has to do.

Otherwise, that's going to be missing.

And he's a smart guy.

He cares about what he does.

And I'm sure that that's something that hangs over his head.

It just does.

And, you know, sad as it is to say, Tony, the windows closing.

You know, he's going to be 34.

So how long is he going to be as great as he is?

I mean, I watch the guy and I'm blown away on a daily basis.

How great he is.

And I don't think fans appreciate that.

We're watching one of the greatest right handed hitters who ever lived

in the history of baseball.

And he's not getting the appreciation that he should get

because he has not won a title yet.

That's it.

And until he wins the title, no amount of statistics that you throw at people.

All the accolades, the fact that players throughout baseball love him.

Tony, get this.

He came back from the WBC.

He struck out in a spring training game.

And they booed him.

That's time for the field in a spring training game.

So the expectations are through the roof with this guy.

So look, it's the burden that comes with greatness sometimes, right?

It happens.

Barry bonds.

I mean, obviously you had a lot going on with bonds.

But he never won a world series.

You know, and and had extraordinary career, you know,

with or without the steroid use and what have you.

You know, you don't need me to tell you that.

I'd make for Kara one last week of the New York Post.

Just that he had a he has a book out now on George Steinbrenner.

And we talked a little bit about how, you know, ownership has changed

so much.

Not just in baseball, but in professional sports.

It's been a big topic up here, Michael.

Because of the way the red socks have been built now.

They're reluctance to go or sign what I would call mega deals.

They they ever framed from.

Mookie bets.

Obviously they dealt him away.

Raphael Devers.

They dealt him away.

They've seen they don't want to sign these contracts anymore.

There's dead money at the end.

And I'm curious as to what is.

You know, from a from outside perspective, because not so long ago.

The rivalry that existed between the ownerships of these teams with George and Larry Lucchino.

And going back to the early 2000s was a was an arms race.

It was a battle of superpowers.

What's the perspective of the red socks now you think throughout the game or in New York?

How do people look at them?

I mean, they're still an unbelievable rivalry.

I mean, the fans care a lot about it.

I can't speak to what the Yankee organization feels about it.

I feel that internally they've always had great respect for them and their decision making process.

But I think the rules of the game have changed, Tony.

They have.

And I think the Dodgers have changed them.

You know, you look at an arms race.

And if there's somebody at the head of the arms race that you just can't beat.

You might say, well, why even do the arms race?

Maybe we'll run into a championship.

I don't know if the Yankees are there, but the Yankees.

I don't think are desires of keeping up with the Dodgers.

And maybe that's with John Henry and his people feel as well.

Although it is odd that their payroll has sunk to a level that it has.

Because we know just from Nesson and that great ballpark that they do have a lot of revenue.

But they just decided not to do it.

Yankee fans feel that way about how Steinberger and the way I look at it.

When he wanted the best picture in the world.

He went and gave Garrett Cole a nine-year contract.

When he wanted, when he wanted Soto back, he offered him $750 million.

And you had a guy across town who has a $22 billion personal wealth worth.

And he wasn't going to get out bid.

So the only way that Soto was going to come back was if, you know what?

I like the Yankees and a little more money.

I'll take less what he didn't want to do that.

And then when he lost Soto, he went out and gave Max Frieden incredible contract.

But if fans expect the Yankees to have a $450 million payroll like the Dodgers do with taxes.

I just don't think they're going to do it.

That's why I don't know what your take is on this.

That's why I really think December 1st of this year has a chance to be Armageddon.

Because when you have guys like Henry and Steinbrenner and the like,

all aligned on the same side of, you know, we've got to have some change in the economic reality of the sport.

The lockout could happen.

I think it definitely didn't happen on December 1st.

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Oh yeah, I feel the same way about the stoppage.

I think there's a big one comment.

And I think it's inevitable.

I think that there's a major over the systems broken.

We all know that the revenue model doesn't work anymore

with the cable networks.

The whole broadcast dynamic and baseball has changed completely.

And it's not, you know, which brings me to a question.

Let me just ask you a couple more things.

I know you're pressed for time.

A lot to do, Michael.

You're a busy guy compared to someone like me.

So between games and shows, I don't know how you do it.

But the idea of a salary cap.

I never thought I would say this, but I'm in favor of it.

Are you?

You know what?

It's a hard question because I love baseball so much.

And I don't think the Dodgers are doing anything wrong.

So let me put that out there.

I don't think it's fair to curb somebody's potential to earn

what they can earn and what the market bears.

All right.

I don't think the owners would like that if you did that on their personal business.

So that being put aside, it's going to be awfully hard for the players' association to die on that hill.

When you see the NBA, the NHL and the NFL all doing quite well

and the players making an incredible amount of money in cap sports.

So I think that this is baseball arm again about to happen.

In a perfect world, do I want a cap?

No.

But in a realistic world, every other sport has a cap.

I just don't understand why the players' association wants to die on that hill.

And I've talked to people that have been very, very big parts of the union and pro union and all that.

And they say, you can actually accept the cap.

If you come to an agreement with the owners about how to split money,

where you could actually make more money than you do right now.

But you have to have these substantive discussions.

And you have to trust them to tell you what their revenue is.

So the thing is, Tony, I think it's going to hurt the owners a little bit.

It's hard for them to cry poverty when the sport is making more revenue than it's ever made before.

I think in 2025, it was $12 billion.

I mean, it's a huge industry.

The television ratings are higher than they've ever been.

They just came off a great world series.

Attendance is risen each of the last three years.

It's going to be hard to say it doesn't work.

They keep saying they want parity.

But I don't think the issue is parity.

I think they won't cost certainty.

Because when you have cost certainty, then you have a better chance of your product and your team to be worth more money.

Yeah, the, you know, the other thing is to me, the real problem is the teams that don't spend versus the teams that do.

The teams of the bottom pocketing revenue sharing money to me is just as, you know, I can't, I can't justify that on any level.

The whole idea is to make the quality of the product better.

And to me, when teams do that, it's absolutely ridiculous, detrimental to the cause.

Let me just ask you this before we go because I'm curious as to what everybody thinks.

I asked you this before we came on that in the booth, David, Colin, Paul, and he'll have been with you a long time.

Joe Gerardi now is in the booth with you as well.

What has been the response to the ABS system?

Do you like it?

Do they like it?

To me, the thing works.

I just don't like one of the first games the Red Science had Michael.

They had eight challenges in the game.

And I thought that that was too many.

So if, you know, if they limited at three per side, you know, you get the first two right.

You get a third like something like that.

That's my only little knit to pick.

But does, does your group like it or not like it?

I, I think they like it.

You know, I did the game with Paul O'Neill yesterday and he said he would have had a lot better relationships with umpires.

He said because, you know, he complained when calls were out, you know, out of the strikes.

I don't call the strike.

He said, and because I complain, obviously there's going to be a feeling toward me that they're not going to be positive and that I'm going to be victimized by that.

You know, the entire year and the entire career of that umpire.

He said, if I had this ABS system, you know, it's black and white.

This is a strike or not.

So I think that David Paul and Joe like it.

I, I've always been for replay because my, and there's some fans that aren't, but my take is this Tony.

If your team is in the World Series and you get punched out in the bottom of the ninth inning on a call that was wrong and you didn't have ABS.

You'd be furious and we saw that happened in the WBC and the United States Dominican game.

That was not a strike that ended the game.

But I think there is an unintended consequence with a BS and the unintended consequences.

The games are taking longer and baseball was in a great spot with the pitch clock, which was a great, great decision by them.

Great innovation where, you know, the game is lasted two hours and 35 minutes.

Now people always say, oh, you get paid a lot of money.

Well, you can don't move to a long get.

Listen, I, there were Red Sock Yankee games that were 345 and they were awesome because it was action throughout.

But now there are games that the Yankees have done that I think one of the Yankee athletic games at the stadium was 346 with a pitch clock.

And I think what's happening is because of ABS, the strike zone is the strike zone.

Umpires don't get to be, you know, deciders on what their strike zone is going to be.

So you're either having a lot of walks.

The Yankees have been drawing a lot of walks.

You have a lot of offense, which baseball likes, but you are pumping up the fact that the games take longer.

So that's an unintended consequence.

I think there's some frustration for some of the players.

I mean, Aaron Judge, I thought was going to benefit from the ABS more than anybody.

I think he, I know he's challenged just twice.

Just twice in all the games that they played so far.

Stanton has been reluctant to challenge as well.

Mostly it's been, you know, Austin Wells has done a good job challenging behind the plate.

I think one of their pitchers maybe freed challenge once.

And the thing that made me not love it as much as I do.

And I do like it.

All right, so don't know maybe I have to be the guy in the lawn.

Is that, you know, I read a story in the athletic Tony where, you know, the system could be off.

By like four tenths of an inch on pitches.

Well, I've seen so many of these calls get overturned by one tenth of an inch.

I do a tenths of an inch.

So now you, you, you might be overturning calls that are wrong.

You might be incorrectly overturning calls.

So my thought process is, do you roll this out while it's still not perfect?

If you have that, that half of an inch of wiggle room, then the calls aren't legitimate.

The overturns aren't legitimate.

And if you're going to lengthen games, those calls better be legitimate.

So I, I've kind of like gotten to this point over the first three weeks of the season.

I've gone from loving it to now like loving it with an asterisk.

If that makes sense.

Yeah, no, look, I feel the same way.

The waxing is an issue.

It's an interesting sort of ripple effect from this thing that there are more walks.

And it is, it's a, I feel the same way.

It's part of the reason I say less of them.

You know, I sort of, I don't want to say I lied, but I thought popped into my head.

Do you, overall, do you, do you like where the game on the field is?

Yes.

Because to me, the strikeout problem is still too much.

There were still too many strikeouts.

I don't know how that gets fixed.

But do you like where the game on the field is?

I do.

I hate launch angle, but I understand home runs and fans like home runs and all of that.

I think the games are in a good place that they, they're quick in the pace, which is important.

We spoke about that.

I think there are some great, great young players that are entering the game.

I think there's great interest in the game as well.

The only thing that worries me about the state of the game is that there's big black cloud is hanging over us.

Like we're waiting, you know, it's almost like you're waiting for somebody who's terminally ill to die.

You were waiting for this lockout.

And, you know, I've heard since dire predictions about, well, we could miss the entire 2027 season.

Man, that's the last thing you need and that's the last thing you want.

So that's the only concern in mind with the game that every five years we seem to have to go through this angst and all this nonsense.

And here's what I always say.

Both sides, Tony, all we get are leaks from both sides where they're giving their side.

I don't get it.

I don't understand why you burden your fan base with that.

It's not an election.

We're not voting on who's going to get their CBA.

It's between these two sides.

Keep it in that room.

Don't worry about public perception.

Don't worry about which way the public leans.

Just do what's best and do the thing that gets the job done.

Don't make us, you know, not enjoy this game because we know that it's going to go away for a long time.

I think that's the worst part about the game right now is that there's this black cloud hanging over us.

Well, I don't need to tell you that relationship has been toxic.

It's probably too strong a word, but adversarial for a long, long time.

You know, look, I tend to think that it works here too.

When it comes to that, I think we're headed toward a stoppage of some kind.

The question is how long?

Anyway, look, thanks a lot.

Appreciate it.

All right.

I know I joke about it, but you got a lot on your plate.

So appreciate the time.

Thanks for doing it.

Okay, thanks to Michael K again.

Yankees coming into town to play the Red Sox starting on Tuesday night.

They'll play three games here.

The first of of their series and their games this season.

And remember, these games are important now because any any edge in this series could serve as a tiebreaker for, you know, for the playoffs, home field advantage, that sort of thing.

Now that there's expanded playoffs in different formats in place.

So all these games matter when you start playing the big games now to get to San Diego.

What has been going on with Mason Miller is unlike anything we've ever seen.

So I saw this the other day first when Jeff Passam was reporting it on ESPN.

I think it's an amazing, amazing statistic and it's only gotten better.

So here's what's going on with Miller in his first, you know, number of appearances this year.

And I think I'm going to give you the exact number of appearances.

But he had played a pitch to this point in just eight games.

Okay, eight games during the season thus far.

This was just his first eight games of the year against left handed batters.

They are left handed batters against Miller were one for 16 with 12 strikeouts.

Righties were over 10 with eight strikeouts.

You add this all up.

He had faced 27 batters in his first eight games, which is the equivalent of.

A full game in major league baseball.

So obviously the minimum number of hitters you can face.

He had not allowed a run.

He had 20 strikeouts in 27 batters.

He had allowed one hit.

And just one walk.

So all in all, one for 26 with 20 strikeouts and one walk.

And only six players had put the ball in play against him out of 27 play appearances.

Now since that time Miller has made another appearance.

His ninth of the year.

He faced three batters.

He struck them all out.

So you can update these numbers now to say one for 29 with 23 strikeouts.

That is the kind of stuff you see from a 12 year old playing against nine year olds in little league.

That is a dominant a stretch as I think we have ever seen from any pitcher for any like the time.

Now look, he's a reliever.

He's not a starter.

There are scoreless inning streaks in baseball history that have obviously gone into the mid fifties in terms of innings pitch.

So Miller is not there yet, but he is up to now over 30 innings of scoreless baseball.

And to me, the part that is really amazing about this is the dominance of Mason Miller.

He's striking out just about every guy he faces 23 out of 30 batters.

Again, have struck out, which is incredible to astronomical 70% of all hitters at this stage.

He is basically struck out, which which speaks to the sheer dominance of the player at this time here.

Absolutely positively incredible stuff by Mason Miller here in the early part of the year.

So anyway, I just wanted to mention that it's one of the there are some good stories in baseball right now.

Mike Trout has regained his form. It seems had a homer didn't all four games of the series against the Yankees had five home runs in the series overall.

So clearly trout turning it up a notch when he comes back home to the New Jersey New York area.

And just some great stuff happening around the game right now.

But to me, the thing with Mason Miller has been historically good, absolutely positively incredible.

So thanks for watching. Thanks for listening.

Obviously appreciate if you continue to follow the series.

We have there will try to give you continued updates Tuesday is earlier in the week usually on the red sucks specifically Friday later in the week on some of the things happening throughout the course of the game.

We'll have some guests along the way as well.

And we appreciate you all watching and listening here on breaking balls.

So have a good week and we'll catch up soon.