STLV: Trek to Vegas Decoded with Christina Chong, Jonathan Frakes, Kate Mulgrew, Ethan Peck, Jack Quaid + Dave Schilling

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1:01Hello and welcome to Spy Hards, the world's greatest spy movie podcast that happens to sometimes dabble in Star Trek. I'm Agent Scott. And I'm Candle Provocatour, developing Carpool Tunnel Syndrome from hitting the red alert button too many times. You all can just assume red alert is permanently placed on alert. I guess the entire episode here. It is red alert the episode. What we've done is push the button down and put duct tape over top of it to hold it in place. It's actually going to be very difficult to record because all Scott and I hear the entire time a recording is just blaring red alert, red alert, red alert in our ears. Speak for yourself. I just have the voices in my head. They're there all day long. It's just a Caribbean enterprise talking to me. They tell you to do things. Terrible things. Beam that one up, Scott. Watch Rimo Williams again. Talk about tattoo.

2:01Bye, Condor Man, Merchandise on eBay. I think I bought all of the available merchandise except for one thing. I think I've sent you this before. There is, it's been on eBay for years because no one wants to buy it for the price that Seller is selling it for. But they did have Condor Man ice cream bars when the film came out called Condor Man Crunch. Okay. And it's, I think it's like walls ice cream and one of the big companies. And it's like a display that went behind an ice cream like freezer. Yeah. It's like hand drawn. It's got the Condor Man. And it's huge. It's really big. But it's like 300 pounds. I thought you were going to say you're going to buy the ice cream bars. And I was like, Scott, I don't think those have held up very well. Now, having said that in my fridge, I do have a wrapped box of Batman 1989 cereal still. So, you know, I mean, I guess cereal is the better buy than ice cream. I mean, you'll be doing the bat dance to the toilet very quickly, I think. I mean, one day I should just eat it.

3:02And then you'll eat it too. But I've got the version with the Batman bank also, you know, cellophane to the front of it. It's like a plastic Batman bank. Why don't you take the bank off? Because I like having the box of cereal in my fridge forever. Okay. I can't buy you for that. We're all weird. And I want to give my girlfriend a lot of points. Deal. Like endless points because, you know, she, she moved in almost a year ago, has never once raised questions about the box of all Batman cereal in the fridge. I came back from the convention we're going to talk about in just a few moments where the couple of trinkets, I usually don't buy much in Las Vegas. I bought a couple of things and they have all been questioned by my wife. Do we need this? Why is this fridge magnet here? Yeah, everything, space is at a premium in the Hardy household. And the premium is not on my side. I wouldn't say the same here. Space is at a premium here as well. But we just keep adding space.

4:05The final frontier. It's definitely final. It's going to be final. That's right. I think boy is it boy is it? Well, okay. So I guess we get into the conversation. A lot of you clicked play on this. I'm not even sure what we're going to title this episode. It might be STLV recap. It might be Spine Masters special. There's a lot to talk about. But what this stems from is basically Cam and I went to Las Vegas to STLV, the 60th anniversary of Star Trek convention hosted by creation entertainment. And we did a bunch of stuff there. We did some panels. We interviewed some people, but we also interviewed some Star Trek alumni about their spy connections and some interesting ones that we found along the way. And we could put them all out as like 10 minute many episodes. But we thought we'd just do it as like a smogest board for you all. Yeah. And these are not, you know, when Scott talks about those interviews, like these are very brief media spot interviews.

5:06And so they don't really warrant an entire like Spine Master interview. But I want to make it clear. You know, for those of you who aren't necessarily track fans who are thinking, uh-oh, I made two note now, we actually do talk about some spy movies. We talked to people who were in those movies or had creative roles in those films that we will never be probably be able to get on Spine Master interviews. So there's a good chance we wouldn't be able to. So this was kind of our one chance. Yeah, I mean, like I guess should we just tell everyone the list of the top? Sure. And just so they know and sort of explain the spy connection a little bit along the way. Yeah, let's do it. Uh, yeah. So, you know, through my machinations, I managed to get us media passes to the convention. And that meant we can pick and choose people who are guests who alumni who were attending that we could speak to. And, you know, some we couldn't, couldn't quite get. I mean, we did pitch for William Shatner, guys. Don't worry. He was on the mountain from Uncle. We tried. We did try. Yeah, we tried. But we did get ourselves a captain. We did indeed.

6:07Yes. Yes, we did. I mean, so we had Kate Mulgrugh, of course, Captain Janeway from Voyager, who was in remote Williams. So we're going to ask Kate Mulgrugh about remote Williams. That's coming up in the show. Of course, there is Jonathan Frex, the commander William Ryker from the next generation, directed Thunderbirds, the sort of quasi spy film from the early 2000s. Wasn't his finest moment and he talks about that in the interview. We're never going to get him on for a spymaster interview to talk about Thunderbirds. I got, I got, I got personally five minutes with him to ask him about his thoughts on Thunderbirds. And that's the anyways ever going to happen. Yeah. And when we look at say new Star Trek shows on the air now, we had Christina Chong who plays Laon on strange new worlds popping just to talk about her small appearance in the Johnny English franchise, playing a flight attendant. So that was a lot of fun. We also talked to Ethan Peck, who plays Spock in the newer Trek shows about his grandfather

7:08as well as other films. So we got some insights there as well as just talking general spy with Ethan Peck. That was a lot of fun. And last but not least, maybe this is the headline act if we were going to make a, like a Vegas billboard with the acts on it down. We probably should have lived with this, but the one and only Jack Quaid joins us for a few minutes to talk about his spy connections as well. Of course, he was in Oppenheimer recently. That's sort of another quasi spy movie. But we also talk about his spy connections and we do ask everyone, apart from one because it didn't quite have the time, sort of their favorite spy movie as well. So we do get that famous spy hard question in. And then on the other side, basically, I think the plan for this episode, camera, let me know if you agree, is we're going to sort of go through the interview, sort of talk about them very quickly and then have a sort of a discussion at the end. We have an extra bonus interview at the very end of the show for you as well. Just reflecting perhaps on 60 years of Star Trek, what it's meant to us, what it's meant to this show because much as some of you may, uh, at the odd red alert, if Star Trek didn't exist, the show wouldn't exist.

8:09If Star Trek didn't exist, then none of the spy master interviews that you've hopefully enjoyed over the years would have existed. We never would have spoken about Condor, man, to Barbara Carrera. Yeah. And I mean, it all began with our interview with Nicholas Meyer, who we were very aware of because of having written directed Star Trek 2 and Star Trek 6. So that kind of kicked off the whole thing. And let's do think, you know, well, it's all going to be a track, no, say James Bond. Well, there's going to be a conversation at the end of the show with a regular guest on this podcast about the future of Bond that I think is a lot of fun that we had a blast doing it actually in the green room at the Inglourious Trexpert stage. So that's definitely worth hanging on for too. Yeah, but I think what we're going to do is do the interviews up front for those of you perhaps aren't all that trekking climbed can get you a fun spy master stories. Have a little chat about that. And in afterwards, we're going to talk about the convention while we ended up there. And what we got up to why we're there. And it's interesting, can't just sort of top it all off.

9:09You mentioned Nicholas Meyer as being the first spy master interview. We interviewed him live on stage. The third time we spoke with Nicholas Meyer, we're going to talk all about that at the end of the show. But I think with that further ado, let's get to our first interview, the first of five. And that is with the one and only. Jack Quaid. We are joined by Jack Quaid, the star of the boys, scream and companion. And he may not realize at the moment that he actually has some spy cred. It's me tackle spy movies on the spy arts podcast. Oh, okay. And you sir played William Boymler, section 31 agent on lower decks. The ultimate spy. Yes. Yes, yes, I did talk a little bit about the experience of kind of discovering the journey that character was going to take. Oh man, it was it was a delight. I mean, shout out to Mike and all of the writers for lower decks. I think they did an incredible job. You know, the transporter clone, it was it was a bit in the beginning. You know, like, Boymler wanted to be like Rikers. So therefore, of course, he has a transporter clone. But the fact that the transporter clone is so different from Bradward is just incredible

10:16to me. And he goes on his own journey. William Boymler to me is kind of like what? What Brad would be like if he kind of kept on the path that he was going down in seasons one and two, you know, desperately trying to rank up all that kind of stuff. So, you know, and then Boymler Bradward has, you know, Marinor and Tendi and Rutherford. So it's like, okay, what if he didn't have them? That's what William, I think, ultimately became. And it's just so cool to play the same character, but different. That was really, really fun. Now, a question we ask every guest who's ever been on the show. What is your favorite spy film? My favorite spy film. Oh my God, that's a really good question. Obviously I'm a big James Bond fan. God, I mean, I think it's really hard for me to beat either Skyfall or Cassina Royale when it comes to like Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig's my James Bond. He's amazing. I think those are really, really hard to beat. Trying to think of like other spy movies that aren't James Bond related.

11:18Well, keep what comes up a lot like that like our like non-bond spy movies. A lot of people go back to Hitchcock. Oh, yeah, references like the spy who came in from the cold. Okay. Tinker Taylor's older spy. Okay. Three days of the condor. Nice. I haven't seen any of those movies. I need to know though, though, but like they're always like on all these incredible lists. So I have to check those out. But yeah, I'll go with for now. I'll go with the Skyfall and Cassina Royale. You know what? You're right in line with your Oppenheimer director, Christianel and their. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm glad he should do one. He should do a bond one day. Let's do it. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thanks for having me. Thank you. You're a shater, man. So there you go, folks. A bone of fight. I think a list or a heading. He's way there. Jack Cade on the show. I don't think we'll get many opportunities to talk to him again. No. And I mean, I'm a big fan of horror films. And I think companion is fantastic. He was a lot of fun and scream. And his appearance on or his ongoing character on lower decks, a show that,

12:19you know, wrapped up its run fairly recently, although there's a lot of hints, it's going to come back in a different form. He's an absolute blast as Boimler. And so it was fun to talk to him about playing the character of Boimler as a spy on lower decks. Yeah. And then also just to get that sort of favorite spine movie question in there. At the end, there's always a bonus. And I will just say like maybe we're reflecting this a little bit more at the end, but these are quite nerve-wracking interviews doing these. So I maybe we'll come back to that. It is quite some funny stories in there that maybe we'll get to along the way. But yeah, yeah, this is a learning curve for us folks. It was and it's you're really thrown into the fire with them. And it's also like the energy in the room very much changes depending on the star in the room. And I'm just going to leave it at that. Uh-huh. You may sense it in the future. But speaking of the future, perhaps the future of Hollywood from one generational talent to another. Let's talk to Ethan Peck.

13:21Joining me on spy hard spot cast is a generational talent. You may know him as Mr. Spock. I know him as Ethan Peck. Hello Ethan. Welcome to the show. Hi. How are you doing? We're celebrating 60 years of Star Trek here at STLV, but we're spy hard podcast. We don't do that. We do spy movies. Yeah. And I mean, looking back at your grandfather of films like Arabesque, the guns of Navarro and that man knew a spy movie. Yeah. I want to hear from you. What's your favorite spy movie? Period. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I mean, three days of the condor really pops out from me. I love that film. And then I mean, is mission impossible considered a spy movie? Absolutely. All right. Of them. The first mission of possible is just like a masterpiece. And this Jason Bourne count too. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the first Jason Bourne is incredible. Both celebrating or mission celebrating 60 years this year as well. Oh, wow. That's amazing. Yeah. Happy 60th mission impossible. Which on which Leonard Nimoy also appeared. He did. He did. He did. Yeah. So connected folks. That's right. Thank you. Isn't that. Thank you very much.

14:24Ethan Peck. We love you. And we live long and prosper with you. Thanks for coming on the show. And, you know, just sort of mildly reflecting on your grandfather's work and splimages a little bit and just talking about his favorite. Spine movies. Clearly a man who has some pedigree when it comes to spy movies picking those 70s classics there. Yes, definitely a condor is always a great pull. But I mean, it's also just fantastic because we are never going to have Gregory Peck on the show. I mean, unless we do a say on. I was going to say, let's we find a say on. Yeah, like a medium to bring. Ethan Peck back, but a Gregory Peck pack, I should say. But, you know, it was great to actually have just, you know, his grandson, who has a very, you know, active acting career right now just reflect for a moment on, you know, the impact his grandfather had on the genre. And I suspect, you know, kind of like looking at Jack Quays trajectory over the last 10 years, you know, starting with the boys and stuff like that. Like he's really short up there now, you know, stuff like Oppenheimer. I wouldn't be surprised if you see a few more Ethan Peck appearances outside

15:27of Star Trek in the future. And I want to note to the those who haven't maybe seen Ethan Peck on Star Trek or some of his other work. There is a definite resemblance to Gregory Peck that is inescapable. So when you actually are standing, you know, opposite him or you see him on a stage, there is a real like, whoa, kind of moment, for sure. But that was Ethan Peck. And now we're off to a particular connection here. We're going to talk to Christina Chong about her work as Barbara, the flight attendant in Johnny English reborn. And joining me here at STLV celebrating 60 years of Star Trek, you know her. As a tenant, Lauren, you may know her as a actor and a musician. But we know her as Barbara from Johnny English reborn 15 years ago, 2011.

16:27Well, that doesn't make me feel old at all. I'm sorry about that. We're Spy Hards podcast. We look at spy movies. Oh, okay. That is what we do, although we do love Star Trek too, which explains why I'm here. But I want to know what do you remember about making that film working with Rowan Atkinson on that scene? Not very much, but what I do remember is Rowan Atkinson was very professional. And he, I think I feel like he did like 20 takes every time. Wow. Because he wanted to nail it. He seems like a perfectionist. And that's about it. I'll take it. I'll take it. Well, I have one final question for you. As I say, we talk about spy movies. Yeah. And you've been in one. I want to know what's your favorite spy movie? What's that funny one with? Is it Melissa McCarthy and Jude Law? Spy. Spy. There we go. It's spy. I also, all the James Bond movies. I mean, come on. What's the one where George has the teeth in? There's Moon Raquel or the spy who loved me. Spy who loved me.

17:28One of the great excellent picks. Christina, thanks for joining us. Thank you. There you go. One of those ones I don't think we would ever do a full episode on, but we got to ask the question and a few people are going to dive that deep into the Johnny English series to ask Christina Chong about her work as Barbara. But I'm glad we did. No, I mean, this was really fun. But also we should note, because this didn't happen this year, but in a previous year, you and I did a photo op with Christina Chong. And we all did the Charlie's Angels pose with her for that photo. Oh, yeah. It was really fun. And when you do photo ops at any convention, but also obviously at the Star Trek convention, they can be very different experiences, depending on the star. Sometimes you're getting an elderly star who it's just literally like step in, take the photo, move on. Sometimes the stars are, you know, not having the best of days. So it is kind of a impersonal experience. And sometimes you have ones that are a ton of fun. The stars really active and they're involved and they want to do fun things with props

18:32or, you know, kind of wacky acting kind of moments on camera. And that was very much Christina Chong. She was a blast. Yeah. I mean, Cam and I were in the media room. We sort of had back to back with Christina and Ethan at the same time. And she had a dog there who was doing tricks in the room and all sorts of stuff. Like it was a, well, there's like moments where I have to kind of go. I'm sure Cam, you were feeling the same way. How did I get here? I've had a few of those. I mean, this trip alone had several, but yeah. And I think we're about to throw to another one. But I will also stay at this point folks. We actually recorded these not just audio, but in video form. There's going to be a video version of all of these on the YouTube. Of course, we do our best to put videos out now wherever we can. But yeah, you can actually see us interacting with these people in living color over on the YouTube plus some like B-roll footage and photos, talking about what we've been up to during that chat. And on the video version, I'll put up that photo of me and Christina Chong doing the Charlie's Angels. But Cam, I think you need to throw to the next one.

19:34Yes. So the next one we talked to Kate Mulgrew about Rimo Williams. This was a big one. This was in some ways like the big fish to land because we have a fascination with Rimo Williams unhealthy and well, and you know, Fred Ward has gone. It's just tough to get people who worked on Rimo Williams. And so this was our big opportunity and listen in and determine if we blew it. Well, I'm with the SpyHard podcast where we talk about spy films every week. And I had a question about actually a film you did early, Rimo Williams. And I would love to know at that point in your career, what did that movie mean to you? Well, at that point in my career, a lot was going on actually. I loved it. I loved playing with Joel Gray, Fred Ward, who's no longer with us. We shot it in Mexico. It was great fun. Larry Spiegel was the producer. It was great. And I thought then it was going to be sort of movies, you know, it looked like it was going

20:34to be movies. And then there was this because I did a silly thing and I had children. But I loved it. I loved doing it. There you go. That was the one and only Kate Moll grew a rare moment for can. I mean, I was stood behind the camera for that one. But I think we had about 45 seconds with her. Yes, we were told we had we could get one question because like, and it's not about the star in this case, it is really about scheduling because she had panels. She had to be at signings for people who'd paid a lot of money for autographs. All that kind of stuff. So the stars are very much like kind of moved around the area consistently throughout the convention. And so the media room, their time there really depends on what's going on. And she was busy. And so it was very much a kind of bang, bang, bang, one question from each source and move on. But you know what? I was a little nervous going in, ask about Remo Williams. You know, this is celebrating Star Trek. This convention. It's also celebrating, you know, Captain Janeway, who's an incredibly icon, and I'm not

21:37going to be, you know, Captain Janeway, who's an incredibly iconic figure, a very progressive figure for many. And so to like raise up the topic of Remo Williams, which can have some definite problematic bumps in 2026, I was definitely a little nervous thinking like, how is she going to react at a Star Trek convention to being asked about Remo Williams? But you know what? I was delighted and relieved that she was very enthusiastic to talk about it. And a little bit of how the sausage was made as well. We were only given one question in the room and we had the choice. And Cam called an audible. He could have asked the what's your favorite spy movie, which is kind of like the go-to question for us at the end of an interview. But it isn't really where the story is for Kate Mollgo. And I think you all wanted to hear a little bit about her time working on Remo Williams because there are so few people left to talk about that film Guy Hamilton passed away. Joel Gray is still with us. Maybe I can get a note through to his people, but I don't know how quickly he wants to run to talk about doing that character in Remo Williams.

22:41Yeah, exactly. And that's the thing. And so it was like, well, I thought, if I ask, and she's just like, I don't want to talk about that, it's fine. It is what it is, right? Like we walk away and go, okay, well, we tried. But I was very thankful. First off, she was so like enthusiastic to talk about it. She really did light up. Very. She's like, oh my God, Fred War. It was kind of like almost like if you were asking someone about, do you remember like summer camp of 1986? And suddenly like that light bulb goes off in their eyes and they're like, oh my God, I had so much fun with my friends that summer. That's kind of the look she had when I brought that up, which you could see on the YouTube version if you check it out. But that leaves us with one final interview. This was actually the first one we recorded. I was there by myself. Cam was in a panel. We actually weren't going to even do this one. I just decided sort of in prompt you the last minute to go and see what we could get because I wanted to have that story about Thunderbirds. Here it is, Mr. Jonathan Freaks.

23:42Joining me today is a man who has defined many generations worth of TV and film. And I would like to say personally it's a pleasure standing next to you, sir. I've been watching you since pretty much the day I was born in 1987. That's not good. The very year. I ate the show debuted. That's where you got the Picard haircut. And really yes, let's say that James had nothing to do with it. I've just been shaving it off to get there. Just to look like Captain. Yeah. Now, why represent Spy Hards podcast? We look at spy movies. And one thing that you have brushed upon in your career is spy movies. And that is a little film that I think is a lot better than people think about in that Thunderbirds. I have recently been online talking in Epistone, trying to get more people to watch it. What happened to that movie? It was a perfectly good movie. I think it was a fun time. And I love Thunderbirds growing up along with Star Trek. It was exactly the same sort of everything. Sir Ben Kingsley. Could have been great film. Great film. Great film, Pat. They'll text him. Exactly. And a boy's, I've been friendly with all the sons.

24:42It was a, it was a, I was surprised. And I've been in movie jail ever since. Well that was a question I wanted to bring up to you because I think it was unfairly treating. I think you were unfairly treated by all of them. That's the nature of the beast. If a movie is, as you know this. Yeah. If a movie is successful, the director gets smoked blown up as a ass and say what a great shot we did. And if it's not, they blame the director. Yep. And a television, you can do a shitty show and they'll blame the writer and the producer. But that's the nature. That is. And I think the question is looking back on the film some 25 years ago now. That's kind of crazy to think about. That's true. 2002, isn't it? 2002. We're in London for three years. We're finishing it. Two, three, four, maybe four, five, six. What does Thunderbirds mean to you? And what do you think is the best element of the film? So I'd rather celebrate what's good about it and worry about the bad. I had a ball. I thought we thought that the movie was going to be the beginning of a franchise. We had that kind of unrealistic. It turns out vision.

25:44My wife left her job. She moved the two kids over there. We lived in London. They both, both my kids started school in London. We had, we thought we were expats. Yeah, that's what we thought it was going to be. So to have your, your, the rug pulled out from under you in one weekend was quite an experience that I wouldn't want to experience again. What did you think about the bad? What's your favorite thing about the film when you were back on the film? It was a shooting of it. We had a ball. What did the say-shows for Christ's sake? I mean, it was, we were in the middle of the struggle. And before we even shot the movie, we scouted locations all over the globe. They had spared no expense. We had a wonderful time doing it. And it was, well, I want you to know, there's fans out there and I have one final question for you. No, we're Spy Hards podcast. We study Spy movies. Yeah. Jonathan Freaks, I want to hear from you. Yeah. What's your favorite spy movie of all time? I love this question. I know. Very good. You know what? I love the born movies. Fantastic.

26:44I love the whole sequence of born movies. You heard the coming back? Yes. And I. Let's hope. Thank you, John. Up to the show. Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you, sir. Red Alert, shields up. That was Jonathan Freaks. A dream come true for me, a man I've been staring at the face of since I think I was born. Yeah. And I did. I had a little bit of a Denise Richards moment in that one. It probably wasn't my best intro. It probably was a bit stumbly, a bit bumbly. But that's because I was standing in front of Jonathan Freaks who is like six foot four and I am five foot eight. And I felt every foot and inch of it. It's a lot easier to meet your heroes when they're about your height, isn't it? Or on zoom. Or on zoom, either one. But yeah, it's like when you meet them and they're like your height or even shorter sometimes, you're like, oh, okay. This is somehow like more relatable.

27:45I feel like these people do. And then like Jonathan Freaks comes in towering over you. This like icon of a man and you're just like, go tell me about some of their parents, please. Yeah, it wasn't my finest moment. And also like contextually, I think it's important to just point out what was going on in the room at that time because you spoke about it before, Cam with Kate Malgo. Jonathan Freaks had been there for like I think two days already at this point, the convention started on the Wednesday. This was the Friday. He was probably already mildly fried by that point. He said he walked in. He did the press for creation, which was the company running the convention so they get first dibs on the press. And he's like, I haven't had any lunch. I just need to get some food. I'm literally starving. I've got panels, a panel. And he finished his creation thing and started to walk out the room. And to be fair to the guys of creation, they turn around and goes, actually, can you speak to the spy hard guys? And he's like, what's that? I'm so hungry. I just need to go. And I said, like, he goes, he said, walk to me.

28:47I say, excuse me. I think you said, I'm Scott from spy hards. And I go, he goes, I'm really hungry guys. Does this need to happen or is it, would it like to happen? And I said, do you want to see if you're hungry, mate? Just go. It's absolutely fine. We can, we can live without this. And I think because I said that in the moment, he turned around and said, let's get it. Yeah. And he walked up to the behind the rig by the lighting in front of the camera. And he just switched it on. That Hollywood smile came out and he gave me five minutes in head. Yeah. And it's funny because like he could have easily been like thunderbirds, like, oh my God. Why do I want to talk about thunderbirds? But he actually told you some fun stories about living on location. Ben Kingsley. Yeah. And Ben Kingsley. And it's like, John Frakes has a reputation as being like one of the nicest guys in Hollywood. We've heard that time and time again. You also hear that about, you know, a few other people. But Frakes is one that has definitely been consistent over my time as a track band hearing that again and again. I could say that from my own experience with photo ops. So you know what?

29:48That was awesome that while he may have been thinking, please God, just I have like 12 minutes to eat lunch. Let me just have those 12 minutes. He still took the time to talk about a movie that, as he said, put him in, you know, director's jail. Yeah, it's got to be a film that does keep him up at night. And I mean, much as I was a bit like a congratulatory about the film, it's certainly a film with its flaws. I want to watch more than once because like, I'm a big Thunderbird guy and we'll have that discussion at some point down the road about the film because it is like, there are bits there that work. The first like 15 minutes that film is really good. Like he gets it, like the ships and the tracies that he gets it. And then it becomes this like kids film and I just hated it. And I think like if we're looking at it, it's probably something to do with studio meddling. I wouldn't be surprised. But like that is a conversation for another day. I was just glad we got it. And I got to speak to John from Frakes. What a time. Yeah, yeah, so much fun. And again, unlikely to be a spy master interview when we do tackle that film. Exactly. Exactly. But there you go.

30:48That was our five spy masters, our spy master special in STLV. Let's talk about the convention itself. We interrupt this program to bring you a special report. Agents, we don't expect you to talk. We expect you to buy a subscription to our Patreon. See, that's right, over on the spy hard's Patreon, we're covering all your favorite spy TV shows as well as popular films from the most iconic secret agent actors of all time. Cam, why don't you share some intel on our latest assignment? Scott September is here. And you know what that means? School is in session. And first up on Agents of the Field for this month, we're going to take a look at the Sydney Pauâtié Inspirational Teacher Film to Sir with Love from 1967. Does the acclaimed actors lesson plans still hold up? Tune in and find out if we give it a pass or a fail. Since he activates ghost protocol and visit patreon.com slash spy hans to truly do things, angel

31:53style. But before we close channel D, on with the spy jinks. All right, we're back folks, we're back in England, we're back in Canada, we have landed, our bodies have adjusted, our bowel movements have even done. That's something maybe people don't realize because you say that and our bowel movements. Yeah, well, it's funny, you know, you mentioned that because that is a big part for us because we live, as you said, in the UK, Canada, going to Las Vegas and living there for like eight days on Las Vegas food. Tends for me. Tends for you is genuinely taxing on my system every year I go. It's actually quite, it can be quite unpleasant. This year wasn't, this year was fine, but like I've had years where I was like in pain when I came home. Yeah, I have felt the same. I'm not here to talk about my habits, but it is like a taxing thing like the American diet is quite tough on both of us because we're not used to it. But also just that lifestyle Las Vegas is a very like all go 100% all the time sort of

32:55place. That's exactly what it's sort of born and bred on is this is like high energy 24, 7. But boy was I thankful to go and I suppose what I want to do in this section is sort of talk about what we got up to the convention. Why we went to the convention. I just some of the memories and stories that came up along the way. So I can't sort of take us back to why we decided to go back. Well, we went back for a couple reasons. One was our friend group decided to do one big final hurrah attending the convention. We've been going since 20, well, I've been going since 2012, but we all sort of like group together over the years of 2012, 2013, 2014. And so you know, as you get older, life takes you in different directions and it's not as easy to get everyone together. It's a pretty large group. It's like, sometimes like 10 people, 12 people. It's not easy to get everyone together every summer. Also, the convention and just traveling in general has gotten more and more expensive. So absolutely convincing that many people to make the big trip of their year, the trip

33:59to the Las Vegas convention. Well, that can be more difficult as well. So this was kind of a big, you know, final hurrah for the group. Yeah. As opposed to individually, we don't know some people go, some people won't, but like in terms of the group, this was the final year. But it was also because of, you know, inglorious tracks, we've had Mark Altman on the show a few times now. We've had Ashley Miller on the show as well. Yep, Ashley Miller who co-wrote X-Men first class. Those are two of the three inglorious tracks, Darren Dockerman being the third one. And they invited us back to moderate panels. We had done a panel that we released actually on the main feed a couple years ago now about the our man best year spy themed Star Trek Deuties face nine episode. That was an absolute blast. And over on the Patreon actually that same convention, we released an episode on the sci-fi 79 where we talked about moon raker and alien and a few other films. But they want us to come back and actually handle more panels this year.

35:02So that was also a big element because yeah, this was like between the two of us, we did five panels, which is a lot of time on stage. Yeah, and I want to get into that. But I think also it's important to contextualize this convention itself a little bit of like history, but also a little bit of history for us. Yeah. Yeah, SDLV as it's known now used to be called Star Trek Las Vegas before they had lost the Star Trek licensing brand creation entertainment. I mean, it has been running for like 25, 30 years, I think at this point in Las Vegas. It's it's a it's known as the Star Trek convention. The one that Trekkies will pilgrimage to go to travel from across the world to give all their money to creation entertainment. And we have done that many times. I think this was my 13th time attending. I've been going back since 2008 on and off. Yeah. I met you in 2013. And I think that is kind of what I wanted to connect it to with us because I said it at the beginning, like I know people joke about Star Trek in the show and we joke about

36:03it too, red alert, all that stuff. This show simply wouldn't exist without Star Trek, but the show wouldn't exist without Star Trek Las Vegas. We met in a convention center. We met in a vendors room that we were standing in again this year. We have met people that have gone on to be guests on the show over the years like the Treksport, Scott Mance, David Goodman, just to name a few brand and Braggar. All people that we've had on the show over the years, we've met through meeting them at the convention one way or another. It's a convention and a place and a time of the year that is ingrained in the show. And I think getting that opportunity to go back to Treksport to reaching out to us and saying, Hey, we'd love to have you back. I mean, they wanted to have us back last year, but there were multiple complications that means it wouldn't happen. So 2026 was the year. It's also 60th anniversary of Star Trek. A show that means a lot to both of us. You run a Star Trek podcast. I run a Star Trek podcast in my head. That's right. Yes. Along with the voices, right? Along with them, well, I'm doing the voices as the problem is I'm also running the convention

37:04and also the podcast in my head. But yeah, it is in our DNA. And so get in the opportunity to go back when the Treksport reached out and said, we want you for the 60s, we want you to do these panels. We said, yes, we said, we'd make it work. And we wanted to go as a group, as you mentioned, sort of the final time as a group. I don't know if it'll be my final time. I won't commit to that. I do have a lot of fun. I made new friends this year. I've had a good time doing it. It is expensive. It is bloody expensive. So it has to be worth it. And we'll cross that bridge in 2027 when we get to it, I think. But I'm glad that we did it. And I want to thank the glorious Treksports for inviting us back. We were invited back as it's the last year. And we kind of the ball started rolling and then we pulled out really, like being honest about it. We did pull away for multiple reasons. And they had every right to be like screw these guys. Yeah. Yeah. And they didn't. They wanted us back and we gladly accepted and took up the bat on.

38:06And did our best with all the panels that we did. But yeah, I mean, I guess, um, do we talk about the panels? Is that a good thing to go through? I think so. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. So there were five in total that we went through. And I'll do my best to do them in chronological order. And I'll also, if you're watching the YouTube version, this I'll be putting some pictures up on screen. There's a piece of B roll of the convention itself. So you can see what it looks like. But there'll also be some pictures of us presenting on stage. And the first one we did was basically talking to people who do YouTube videos about Star Trek. So we had a target audience to YouTube channel, bunny tails reacts to YouTube channel. And Ellie from Trek culture on the panel talking about their sort of YouTube life through Star Trek. And it's kind of made sense of having us there because, you know, we are on YouTube now, but also which sort of in that podcasting media creation landscape, although adjacent with spy movies, and they asked us to sort of share that to panel. Yeah. And this one I was a little nervous about because of the fact the competition was actually quite stiff.

39:07That they'd be going up against and you're like, okay, well, we have, you know, people do YouTube reaction videos. How is that going to draw versus like, I think that one was up against George decay, maybe in the main stage. I think something like that. Yeah, I think that's who it was. Yeah. So it's like you have legacy stars opposites. And sometimes in my own experience, that can be like really tough for an audience. Yeah. Because you've, you've also hosted panels pre us doing it with your host on subsprachetransmitions and a frequent guest on the show in the early years, Tyler Orton. Yeah. You've done a few panels, some of which I have attended, some of which I've left halfway through. But yeah, it's like, it doesn't matter the topic. We've done some that we were very proud of that we played to an empty audience just because I remember one year we were up against Patrick Stewart and the cast of the classic TNG episode, the interlite. And it was like, we can't compete with this. Like, we're dead in the water. So this one I was actually very happy to see a good turnout. People who are obviously fans of all three of these, you know, commenting groups. And I thought that this panel was actually a lot of fun.

40:09And they all had a lot of fun, lively insights into Star Trek, which was one of the things that you hope for with the group. Yeah, I think for me, the sort of damacles that was sort of hanging over the entire panel was the fact that these people, apart from perhaps Ellie, who is far more versed in Trek and doesn't quite always do reaction videos, she does more like discussion videos, kind of like what we do with episodes of Star Trek. Through Trek Cultures page, we're sure it has a Doctor Who page as well. There'll be links in the show notes below for everyone here as well. So you can go check out their channels. Yeah, the other two bunny tails and target audience are at certain stages watching Star Trek. Yeah. And haven't watched the rest of it. So there was, there was this sort of like fear, this trepidation, we had to even like warn the crowd not to ask questions about certain elements of Star Trek, because some people only got into like halfway through the next generation. So in terms of like a jumping through Hoops moderator perspective, that really gave me

41:11probably the most amount of anxiety of all the panels we did. You and I were definitely anxious about that and trying to like figure out how we could ask Trek specific questions without like, you know, one person in the grouping like, I haven't watched that far. Like that could be a tough thing to juggle. Yeah, like, okay, I'll give you something that isn't a spoiler, because this was the summer of 1991, perhaps 1990 going into 1991. Let's just say I asked a question here, how did you react when when Patrick Stewart's Captain Book Harbour's turned into a borg in the best of both worlds? And someone goes, I haven't seen that episode yet. Yeah. Like, you've literally just spoiled something for them. And I think back to something that happened to me a couple of years ago, fun story, feel free to laugh at my expense. A couple of years back, I did a rewatch, sorry, a first time watch of ER. The medical drama. It was a rewatch for my wife, but it was the first time watch for me. She watched it contemporaneously on release.

42:11I didn't pay any attention to it. And we were at her parents house and we said to her mom that we were watching ER. And I think we were like season two at this point. So like I've gotten to like the characters 24 episodes season, you know that kind of comfort feel. Yeah, sort of TV brings. And she goes, oh yeah, such a shame what happened to Mark Green. Oh, oh, the cancer. And I'm like, what? Why would you tell me this? And literally eight seasons later when Mark Green's character died, sorry if I'm spoiling it for you folks, but that's what I pass on the misery. I watched that scene and felt absolutely nothing. It genuinely took a moment away from me. And as much as I like, I pull a leg about it now. Like I actually do have a little bit of an annoyance about that because I did lose that moment. Right. And so I was very aware of what we could have potentially done to their Star Trek journey, something that we both enjoyed having done ourselves. Yeah, no, I mean exactly. It's a tough line to walk when you're in a crowd that is die hard Star Trek fans.

43:16They have absorbed into their DNA every aspect of the franchise and you have people on stage who haven't had that same experience or aren't that point in their lives yet. No, exactly. But that was our first panel. I think it went well. We got some great feedback from the panelists and good turnout. I think that was a fun one. One bit of a curve ball we were throwing later in the day was our panel with the cast and a person associated with the Star Trek next generation episode's lower decks and first duty. Yeah. I'll put a little graphic up on screen now so you could have everyone's names. Originally, we were scheduled to be on the Trek spur stage and we got some late notification that we had to move it to Vicks Lounge, the tertiary stage, which is a far more intimate setting, but it moves from like a 200-300 person theater to a 50 to 100 person theater that also has lunch being served next to you, which always feels a bit odd. It is odd, but at the same time, it's also the setup for the fan expose in Vancouver,

44:20where like the big celebs stages right next to the area where people are getting like popcorn and hot dogs. So I'm kind of used to that sort of thing. It's not my favorite, but I will say I actually really loved this stage because it was very intimate. So it was like all the chairs were really close to the stage and it really brought all the people who were excited to see these actors right up close. And I think like the actors felt more loved because of that. There wasn't that distance. And yeah, we were talking to Walker Brandt who played a character in the episode of the first duty. He also talked to Shannon Phil who popped up not only in first duty, but also the episode lower decks as well as a small appearance in the animated series lower decks later down the road. And we also had Andre Burmanis who is a writer, producer. He's worked on many of the Star Trek shows, the Orville as well, but got his start as a science consultant on the next generation and was with this panel as well. Yeah. And so we so did our best to roll with the punches on that one.

45:22And I think we put something good together for everyone. But the real highlight moment for me actually didn't come from any of the participants on stage. Oh, what was it? So one of the other guests at the convention that for some reason wasn't invited to the panel and I think I probably would have changed that had I had the discretion to do so ahead of time. Right. Was an actor by the name of Alexander Enberg who played Turek, one of the other lower decks cast members in that episode of Vulcan. I think we'd also go on to playing other Vulcan down the line as well. I think I think he did have another appearance on Star Trek if my memory serves. He played Turek in in lower decks, the episode, and then he played Varic on Voyager. Right. That's what it is. And so he was at the convention doing signings at the Trek Spur table, but what if some reason wasn't invited to this panel? I mean, if Walker Bramp was going to be on there for being on one episode, I didn't see a reason why he couldn't be there too. And he sort of turned up right to start the panel. So we made a quick B line to say hello. And then I made a point to highlight him in the panel that he was here.

46:26And I think he's gone from some sort of medical condition, right? I think he's in the wheelchair now. So his mobility is restricted. So maybe that's partly the reason why he didn't talk comfortable coming up on stage. I think it might have affected the speech a little bit as well. I hope he's on the mend or something he's coping with. But he had a really sweet moment with Shannon Phil there, a little hug and a little talk about it. And he was just so happy to see the girls on stage. And just to be there at that moment and a lot of people took photos, I just thought it was a very sweet moment. Also the audience really celebrated him in that moment as well. Probably the biggest moment he had in the convention, I would say. Probably and also probably bigger than it would have been had he been on the stage with everyone else, where it's like, well, he's one of the panelists in that group versus the spotlight silly being shone on him as his co-stars on the stage celebrate him. Yeah. So it was like a very fun moment, a very cool moment. Kind of a surreal one for me because it's like, you know, an actor I've seen in several Star Trek shows and I'm like, how am I involved in this moment?

47:26I'm a complete outsider here. I think like let's take a beat just to reflect on that as just I said like how did I get here talking heads reference earlier, but there are a couple of moments when we mean you are on stage. I look over at you and I feel comfortable. Like I know you've got my back on stage. If I fail on the question, you'll follow up is absolutely fine. So I look out at the crowd and I look out at the guests and I just think, oh, this is a very, this is far more serious than you and I sat right here. Yeah. Like on YouTube, you're all watching Hello everyone. Nice to have you here and listening. Thank you all for tuning in. But like I feel comfortable in this environment. But when there's actually like people watching me, it does bring out a certain amount of anxiety in me. Despite me, like doing personal speaking, it quasi professionally too. Like I don't get anxiety being on stage, but it is when it's sort of tied into my youth and my interest in Star Trek. And also representing the brand spy hard like spy hard is plastered on the screen behind this like we are representing the brand, if you call it a brand.

48:27There was a couple of moments where I had to kind of just sort of pinch myself and be like, I'm so glad that we're here and I'm so thankful that you all have allowed us to get to the point where we're being asked to be here. Yeah. And we are going to be I think hopefully releasing some videos or something down the line when we are given access to them. We don't have them yet. But this panel because of the fact it was moved as Scott mentioned to the smaller stage, we didn't have access to any sort of video recording equipment on this one. So we'll have some photos, but that's about it. So it's too bad I would have loved that moment with Alexander Enberg on video. That would have been great. But yeah, unfortunately that won't be the case. So you guys won't get to see a peek at that one. No, I'll have some photos on the video version on YouTube if you're tuning into that and hopefully you've watched and like been watching along on YouTube and our journey there has been an interesting one. Yeah, worth checking out. But that was that was the Friday we did two panels that day. I mean, you know, maybe let's just talk about the convention a little bit more before

49:27we go onto our other panels. So what was some of your highlights, some of the things you remember going to that you enjoyed? When I go to the convention, what I'm really looking for is like the it's two things. It's the atmosphere of Star Trek, which some years has, you know, there's a stronger element than others. And I thought like this year you really like did feel more of that Star Trek spirit kind of existing throat, the quarters, which is interesting at a time where, you know, there's a lot of drama surrounding the Paramount merger, obviously going on. Star Trek has been effectively shut down in terms of TV production. Strange New World has one more season to go that's basically banked. There's a season of Starfleet Academy that's banked, but like those shows are done and over with they're canceled at this point. And there's nothing on the horizon. So it could easily be a year where people are kind of like down like, well, you know, we're kind of like, you know, dead franchise walking here. But it felt like there was so much optimism because of the 60th anniversary that everyone

50:29kind of brought their best to this year. And I felt like that was also the case of a lot of the panels. And when I go to the panels, I've seen a lot of these people talk time and time again. So it can be harder to hold my attention sometimes. But like I was so thankful, you know, William Shatner is in his mid 90s now. Any convention could be his final convention. Like we just survived cancer. Like, yeah, we don't know anything can happen. And there are actors who were, you know, supposed to appear at this year's convention that could not make the convention. And you start to go, uh, oh, like what's going on? These people in their 80s, 90s, et cetera. So it could happen in any time. But like William Shatner, were this to be his final panel and it won't be he'll be doing other panels probably all year round. But like, oh, I'll live us. I think at this point, he hit a absolute home run. He was funny. He was on the ball. He told some great stories. He told some Trek anecdotes.

51:29He never mentioned before on stage. I was just like, wow, like, you know, the guy is very inconsistent on stage. I've seen him many times over the years. Sometimes he gets on stage and just talks about something very esoteric like pixels, termites, termites. And you just like listen to him talk about or, you know, kind of have this galaxy brained, waxing bizarre about these topics for like 20 minutes straight as the audience kind of. And he's usually appearing on the last day of the convention as that audience who's been there for four or five days in Vegas late nights is clinging to consciousness, trying to like follow his train of thought. That was not the case this year. He was absolutely fabulous. It was like seeing like almost like a great standup comedian just like close out a, you know, a festival. Oh, he was absolutely incredible. And I think like a lot of guests could be lulled into playing the hits. Yeah. And that's something that actually has and to tie it into us a little bit.

52:31And, you know, also, I didn't know at the start and I haven't noted this far. This episode is dropping on Star Trek day. Yeah. The official 60th anniversary day. We wanted to do it this way. And for those paying attention, we did actually advertise. We were going to bond interview this week. We've moved to the week because we didn't pay attention when we first booked that in. And then realize later on, we probably should bring this out on this day. Yeah. Yeah. That was armistice. You apologize and you can look forward to that interview next week. Yeah. That's coming. We'll tell you a little bit more about that at the end of the first time you were hearing about it. But yeah, like, and it's taught me a little bit about doing the interviews on the show. The Spine Martial Interviews, some of which you heard at the start of this episode. You know, I try to frame my questions to avoid a lot of the told stories like we've had a lot of people on this show over the years that have done a lot of interviews. I'm thinking more around the bond world. I think a lot of our non-bond interviews are actually pretty cool because a lot of the times we're asking people questions that just haven't been asked. Yeah. We're asking like people who wrote gladiator about Jump and Jack Flash.

53:34There's always my go-to version of that because he's never been asked about it. David Fransoni. I've got an example that's actually related to this convention, Nancy Kovak, who was, yeah, who was at the convention for her appearance in the episode, you know, Private Little War from the second season of Star Trek, the original Star Trek. She's been asked about that episode a billion times. She's done countless panels on it. But we had her on the show to talk about the silencers. And I can guarantee she's not getting peppered with silencers questions on the regular. No. I noted on the table she didn't have a picture from the silences with Dean Lime. We probably should have got that signed. Ooh. Now, if you weren't seeing the video, there was a moment of just complete blank stare on my face as I was like, why the hell did I not do that? I don't know. It wouldn't even be that expensive. Oh no. It's more just like for me, I don't collect autographs. So I didn't really think down that route. I just thought you saw it and didn't really care. I never actually saw it at the table. But because it was at the Trek Spurts table, which is more like scheduled times.

54:36And I was just never there at her times. But like, we could have had it meet up to spy hards. Yeah, it's okay. Lesson than that. No, it's not okay. It's not okay. It's not okay. It's fine. It's not okay, folks. Cam won't forgive me for that one for a while. I'll be. Yeah, you know, beaten up off scene out of frame, I guess, now we're in video form for making that mistake. But speaking of the Trek Spurts a little bit there, I speak about programming. Obviously, I've sent my thanks to them for having us. But congratulations, I think I'm also in order. Because a couple of years ago, they took up the mantle of running the secondary theatre STLV. And they put on some of the most perhaps esoteric panels you can think of. But I find them to be far more interesting than a lot of the stuff you find on the main stage now. And I love a lot of people that do the pattern of moderating on the main stage. Friends with some of them, Scott Mance, for instance. But like when he's doing panels, when the Trek Spurs are doing panels about Star Trek fonts, yep, yep, sign me up. Sign me up for that. Yeah.

55:37Because I haven't heard that. I have heard Brent Spiner and Jonathan Freaks talking about their podcast or talking about how much fun they had on the set of the next generation. I've heard that. That's fine. It's good. And official first time. That's what you want. Fill your boots. You want that story. That's absolutely. I don't begrudge anyone going to that panel and being amazed by it. But Cam and I have heard it. 13 times, I think like 12 or 11 for you, Cam. Yeah. Certainly not far off me. I think I'm the same number as you. Because I started in 2012. Oh, you did one year before me. Yeah, I think we were the same. So I think we're both 13. You're right. Don't take that away from me, Scott. Don't take that away from me. Sorry. I'm lucky. Number 13 in Las Vegas, of course. That's right. But yeah, so just congratulations to them for doing such weird panels. And I guess let's get back to the panels a little bit because Sunday we had a big day. Yes, we did indeed. We had, well, I was on stage actually first. I took part in the films of 1966 panel. That it was kind of a sequel, spiritual sequel to the A panel.

56:39We both did on the sci fi 79 a few years ago. But this one was interesting because it's 66 is not like the huge year for sci fi. You do have fantastic voyage, which is also a spy film. And we did talk about that one on stage. But it's more of an eclectic year. There was a lot of talk about the good, the bad, the ugly Batman 66 got a big, big focus. That's a movie and a TV series. Obviously, that was tied to. That was very impactful on me, but also several of the people on stage as well. So you could tell that it was almost like a, wait, why are we not just doing a Batman 66 panel, which I think a lot of people would have turned up for. I think so too. I think so too. But the best, there's two things that came out of that panel for me that I will be feasting on for quite some time. Would you like to hear them? I would, yeah. First, I can give visual demonstration of, which is you got to sit next to a man you have been idolizing as long as I've known you. And that is creation, co CEO, Adam Maillain, who is a credible chap.

57:42It's got a deep, deep film and TV brain. He's met most of the people that's worked in most of the things you wish you had seen or watched or want to be a part of. He has organized conventions for as long as I think I've been alive. Longer. This man knows the industry, longer, thank you, Cam. So like any time to get to be near the Adam Maillain well is, is, is goodie in I'd say you drink, you drink heartily from that well. Yeah, well, and also like he's someone who is very professional in terms of not spilling the tea about many of the actors he's worked with because you know it a convention. There's a lot of stories behind the scenes and he could easily hit the circuit and just tell stories that makes the lebs look bad. But he tends to be very tight-lipped about that sort of stuff. But he actually told a story on stage just about his experience as a very, very young man, basically teenager, putting on one of his first conventions and dealing with Adam West. And how it was this moment of like, oh, oh, this isn't what I hoped for about how Adam

58:45West should come down for money before going on stage. Yeah, which I'm sure is not the first time he's dealt with, maybe the first time, but the last time he's dealt with that sort of behavior from celebrities. Since then, but I guess that's just the panel and convention gain really and by that point I imagine Adam West is already a veteran. Yeah. And probably continue to be a veteran until the day he passed away. But yeah, to hear that insight from him was great and I think I think it may be high time we have Mr. Maillain on the show at some point. I would love to and I did talk to him behind the scenes just at backstage about appearing and he seemed enthusiastic about it. So fingers crossed. Watch this space and speaking of space, the Trek Spurts. Oh, you said you had two moments you would take away from that Batman panel. I was getting to it. Oh, okay, okay. I thought you'd forgotten and we're moving on. Okay. No, no, no, no, I remember the moment. I remember your face. And like I was just showing pictures of you and Adam Maillain looking like best chums on stage on the video version.

59:46Here's a picture of you getting slammed down by Ashley Miller corrected incorrectly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the story, Cam? So we were talking about Batman 66 and I was talking about the impact the villains had on me and also just on like the popularity of that show. And I was talking about Frank Gorshin's character of the riddler about how like when the character, the riddler first appeared in the comics in 1948. It took them a little while to really kind of get a handle like they knew the gimmick but they were like, what's compelling about this guy? This is kind of a one and done. He popped up a couple times. It wasn't until the 1966 show really made that character mega popular that suddenly they had a grass bottom and the riddler became an incredibly popular antagonist in the Batman comics. And a character that they would constantly want to go to because audiences love that character. And so I was talking about that anecdote and yes, I was corrected that the character was

1:00:48created by the TV show and Scott, what was my reaction? I think you just, I think you professionally swallowed it. I think that's what really happened there. But I think internally I've never seen you wish to burst so much. I was like, no, just go with the flow of the panel. Just make your point move on. You'll just like a dick if you hold it up and you're like, I think you're wrong Ashley, like whatever. But that's fine. Someone has different takes on things and these days, truth is hard to find. So you could do your own research, folks, but I think you'll find Cam was correct. And maybe you could even charitable say, you know what, the character really didn't exist until that show made them who they were. So you know what? Yeah, it goes both ways sort of. But yeah, that was our first panel of the day. I say as I was there in spirit watching you and taking pictures and obviously you'll will be seeing that on the video. But we followed it up very quickly afterwards. We clearly had our wheat of bricks that day and a few coffees. We always hour sit down with Nicholas Meyer.

1:01:50Yeah, yeah. And sorry, what does briefly say with the films of 66, I did get a chance to talk about the spy in the green hat and the mad how in films for this is a spy movie podcast. So and I did my diligence to make sure to reference those films and to talk a little bit at length. We also talked about the what was it? We talked about another spy. Oh, funeral Berlin as well was discussed on stage as well. But yes, Nicholas Meyer. This was kind of a whirlwind for me because I literally just stepped off stage from the films of 66 and was back on stage with Nicholas Meyer and his producing partner, Steven Charles Jaffee seconds later. It was like I think I was backstage for what like maybe a minute, two minutes about that. I think you guys like a little bit whip around, have some water and then going back out and we're being introduced to Nicholas Meyer. I had already approached him in the corridor a couple days before just to introduce ourselves because much as much as yes, we spent about three hours with the guy on zoom over the years, he's not going to remember our faces. So I just made a point to be like, I Nick will be interviewing you on stage on Sunday. I'm Scott pleasure to meet you.

1:02:51I've interviewed you for and he said, was it on zoom? I said, yes, and he goes, I won't remember that. I was like, I figured that was the case. But he remembered me when he met me backstage. And so that was nice. And then, you know, that was the, this is the second one I think I was mildly anxious about because it was Nick Meyer, who is a very verbose man, a very tough nut to crack sometimes. Very intellectual. Very intellectual. He could leave you in the dust if he wants to. And I think he got a, he got a impression very quickly that we knew what we were talking about. And we were on his side. Well, and this was a panel that wasn't Star Trek specific as well. We were talking to him about his work with Sherlock Holmes, also about the film Time After Time, which has obviously a lot of Sherlock Holmes elements. And then we had his producing partner, as I said, Stephen Charles Jaffy, who'd worked on Time After Time and also Star Trek 6. So it was kind of like finding kind of a happy balance of an audience that's star, die heart Star Trek fans, but also making them entertained with Sherlock Holmes up and how

1:03:55it maybe pertains to his work in Star Trek. Yeah. And I think like we also sort of threaded the needle quite well in connecting all of it together and making, because originally it was just Nicholas Meyer. We didn't know about the producing partner until very late in the game again, just these people become available very last minute and you just have to roll with these punches. I think he added to the panel for sure. Yeah. I think we made them both feel like they had some stories to tell. They were laughing, the crowd with laughing. It was probably our highest attended panel of all the ones that we did. Not I imagine it's not for us. It was for Nicholas Meyer. Yeah. Yeah. I know totally. And I again was kind of concerned about that one. And also the films of 66 because that's the Sunday morning and Saturday is a late night party night. And you and I have been on stage Sunday morning where there's no one there. Yeah. So it was like, well, is that can be a repeat, but it wasn't people showed up. And it was just great because I think what Nicholas Meyer appreciated, if I'm to put myself in his place, was that we had done our research. We had both watched the 7% solution right before flying out.

1:04:58We had taken pretty copious notes on it. And so we were able to talk about that movie in a way on stage with him. And for those who don't know, it's a Sherlock Holmes film or book he wrote, I should say. It was his first Sherlock Holmes book he wrote, but was adapted into a film directed by Herbert Ross that he wrote the screenplay for, not Herbert Ross, but Nicholas Meyer wrote the screenplay based on his own book. And you know, that's something where you want to talk to them. It's almost like a spymaster interview in a sense. You want to have the depth of knowledge and you want to make them feel engaged and that you care about the stories about 7%. And we were talking a lot about that movie. And at a certain point, I said, well, we should be moving on, but I have one more question. Nicholas Meyer's response was, no hurry, no hurry. I'm happy to talk about this. So it's also like how many times does this guy talked about Star Trek 2 or 6 on stage? And he did separate panels on those during the course of the convention. I tended both of them. They're great. But he's talked about those things to death versus you could tell he was including with us, including with us.

1:05:58Yeah. And you could tell though he was really enjoying talking about especially 7% solution as well as time after time. Yeah, it's back to the old spymaster special magic that we get sometimes to work. The reason people say yes to us is because we're talking about things they don't get to talk about. Yeah. It's probably the reason why Nicholas Meyer said yes to us in the first place is because we asked about tomorrow and never dies and not, you know, the 7%. And not will not like Star Trek 6. Star Trek, the wrath of Khan of Star Trek 6. Although, although to be fair, he did come back for Star Trek 6. He did. He did. But like, I think we earned that. And so I was very proud to put that one together. And I think like if when we do get the audio and video versions of those, I think that's probably going to be the one we're going to put out for you all to listen and watch. Yeah. Because I think it's probably the best version of what we did over the weekend. And sort of the spy hard style spymaster interview with Nicholas Meyer on stage with an engaged crowd. Like I think that was like the perfect combination for us. I think if we're talking highlights, which we'll get to in a minute, it's definitely

1:07:00one for me. But we closed off our final panel on the Sunday, a few hours before the convention wrapped up with me going, so later after you went solo in the morning in a sort of a podcast panel in a sense, open the podcast, Bay Dores, how lovely tight all there with a bunch of Star Trek podcasts and me. Yes, that's right. That's right. Yeah. It was. It was an interesting panel. I don't envy the task that our moderators had where they had about six, seven podcasts on stage, or us, including people who we talked to online, like keeping up with the Kardashians, the clone star pod, Trek politics. I could name names, but I want there was about 20 people on stage. And when there were 20 people on stage, it's kind of hard to get like a flow going because it's you having to move on. I think I got two questions the entire panel. And I told a little story about Wendell Wilman and I told a little story about how we met and how star spy hards came together. And that was really about it. It was nice to be on stage one last time and also nice not to be a moderator.

1:08:03Right. Yeah. Yeah. It is a lot more relaxing, isn't it? I got to just, with the 66 films one, I got to just sit back and just follow the flow. And it is nice after the kind of the more stressful elements of moderating, which is like you and I, especially like getting up earlier in the morning and sitting there and crashing through our line of questioning before the panels. I remember you and I sitting in the Starfleet Academy panel, which was weirdly put on like Sunday morning as well. Oh, is it like dreadful planning, I think, on Creation's part? That was, yeah, those like poor kids. And like Starfleet Academy has shown that I think it's had very mixed response, some like it, some don't. But like that's a show that was mostly due to, you know, the paramount issues canceled almost immediately. So they canceled the show, you know, partway through season one, even though they'd shot season two and it allegedly ends in a cliffhanger. Like this is a show that's kind of like, they're going to be running it out like just basically

1:09:06probably without a lot of pomp and circumstance because why put money into the marketing for season two. Yeah. And so like you had the entire cast assembled, you know, all the kids from the show, they're all young actors. You know, this is supposed to be kind of their big. Here we are folks. Here we are coming in. Probably their first Star Trek convention for a lot of them. Like this is, people live off these conventions. People are from like, why a person of the next generation have been living off of conventions since the 1980s. Like it's meant to be kind of not your golden ticket, but like something you can rely upon. Yeah. And like they're also, you know, going to be just like cut loose from the franchise almost immediately. So like they'll be off to, you know, someone will be off to other jobs and different paths. So the likelihood of getting them all back together is pretty unlikely in future years. And the fact that like they were on first thing in the morning, where the crowd, a lot of people are just sleeping in or they are coming in halfway through the panel.

1:10:09Everyone's a little bit sleepy at, you know, 9 a.m. in the morning. And I felt bad for those guys. Yeah. I think that was the right move there. But any creation went hiring us. I think then like that was our, our run of panels. And as I say, I think if we put one out, it'll be the Nicholas Meyer one. We will eventually have access to the audio and video for all of them. So we'd be keen to hear what you guys think. I wouldn't be surprised if the Trek experts put out your 66 one as well on their feed. And when they do, I'll be sure to post it up on our social media so you can go and hear Cam make a fool of themselves talking about the riddle. That's right. That's right. Something I want to do. You decide folks who was right. Cam was an Ashley Miller, the guy who's worked in the film industry. You decide. That's right. It was Cam. I don't know if it was. It was definitely Cam. Yeah. I mean, that's like, I could see here in Wax Poiticle for another 30 minutes who you about STLV. But like, there is a magic to it that I can't deny. There is an attraction to it that I just can't get away from.

1:11:11It's so nice being in an environment. It's a kind to a lot of you who are listening, who've made it this far, who go to like Bond conventions and Bond appearances. It's the same thing. You're surrounded by like-minded people. And for me, it's the only time of the year, Sans are wedding or something like, I obviously in Cam and among the soda wedding, that I get to spend time with Cam. We get to film all kinds of wacky stuff that you'll be watching in the video version of this. So I always rejoice at the opportunity to go and spend time with you in what is basically Star Trek Disneyland. Right. Yeah. And it's also, I think, a key component too for me is also when we follow things online, there's a lot of toxic fandom. A lot of like, you know, posting a picture from a movie or a TV episode and it's a see of people bringing a lot of negativity and anger. Right? And when you go to the Star Trek convention, people have debates about episodes. They may not like an episode, but it's like a fun debate where people are laughing, having

1:12:11over drinks. It doesn't have that kind of air of anger or meanness to it. It's like everyone's there to celebrate a franchise they love. They may not like one of the new shows, but they're also laughing about it and they're with their friends and they're meeting other new friends. And it just feels like a healthier environment for people to express their different tastes in Star Trek than online. I'm just like some other bits and bobs. I was just looking at sort of, I downloaded a bunch of photos to prepare for this to sort of prompt my memories we're talking. So I'll just sort of spit for some things that happened throughout the convention. If something rings to your mind, feel free to let me know too. But like, you know, as I say, it was partly to do with a friend of ours who's getting married. We're going to be going to their wedding in a month or so. And just with somewhat kind of their bachelor thing. So we went like, go karting one night and that was a lot of fun. We learnt the can isn't very good at go karting. Oh, that's not a learn. People know that. That's a well known fact about me. Yeah. In your real life. Not in the show.

1:13:12I don't know about that in this show. Oh, that's true. That's true. So Cam is not a good driver, folks. No, I'm like, Marc Simpson. I'm like, hey, I'm just here for the scenic drive. Yeah, I think that's fair enough. There was lots of like reuniting with people over the years, different versions and permutations of our group. There's some photos here on the screen for you to look at. But like also, like I bumped into someone doing a cosplay of Rimmer from Red Dwarf who's like an American. And it's just weird, like cognitive dissonance of hearing an American talk about such a British television show. Lots of times we went out for dinner. We're back in the Rio Hotel, which is, love it or hate it, has home just for many years. Oh, yeah, it's a place. It's definitely a place. And I think the only other highlight I'd point out, just if we're discussing it, is I think when creation lost a license, they lost a little bit of the magic, I think, was Star Trek. And this year they partnered with Magic, the gathering to talk about their new Star Trek line. Through that partnership, they were able to get around some of the contractual problems. And actually have Star Trek imagery, iconography around the convention again, which I think

1:14:15really does help the energy of it. And there was like a transport of pad you can go have your pictures taken on. If you're watching the video version, you actually watched a video of me on the transport of how you had getting beamed up earlier on. So if I haven't sold you yet, go and watch that because I look like a dummy. But like, you know, props around, but we also went out to like free monastery and watch the shows there. There's lots of, lots of nice things to be had. And for those who didn't see the social media post, but do listen to the episodes, we finally got our hands on that, Dick Clemmon and Ian Liffre and A-Book sent by Matthew Bradford, there'll be a picture on the screen now. And yeah, that was just nice to get that sort of locked up and for you and I to get it. It now lives in my library though, I will say. It lives in England where it should be. Yes, finally, some payoff for the hot enough for June episode. That was a fun little anecdote reaching a conclusion. Also made the sags into our last little interview here.

1:15:15We got to meet someone in the flesh who we've had on the show a couple times, Dave Schilling, who appeared in our episode on No Time to Die, one of our most popular episodes of all time. I guess, Steve, I just want to be here. Is it now? Okay, yeah, okay. And then also our episode on the Goldnive anniversary, 30th Goldnive anniversary. And it was just great to hang out with Dave, which we did quite a bit in the green room as well we went out for drinks at the Rio. But also we sat down and shot about a, I think 12 minute little chat about the future of Bond because the future of Star Trek is very much up in question right now. But the future of Bond is also very uncertain. We know there's a lot of casting rumors going on right now as have been the case for the last, I don't know, seven years now, Scott, I can't remember. It feels like forever that I've been hearing Bond casting rumors to the point where I don't even care anymore. I stop reading them. I don't even read them. I just like move on to the next story.

1:16:16It's like, yeah, sure, whatever. Yeah. I'll leave that for other shows to do 10 pop videos about who could be the next bomb. That's their bag, man. We haven't got that sort of time. Now, it's not interesting enough to me. It'll be more interesting when they cast someone. But no, Dave had a lot of great insights and he's always just such a great conversationalist and just a great commenter on pop culture. So this was a real joy. Yeah, I think we'll throw to that now. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Shelling. Hello, we are alive here at the 60th anniversary of Star Trek at Star Trek Las Vegas. And I am joined by a guest from the show. You may recognize, as Mr. Dave Shelling, he's a writer, a humorist. Recently, a film director, he's joining us now to talk a little James Bond while we're on location here. The location of Diamonds are forever famously. Your favorite Bond film of all time, of course. It's definitely my favorite, especially the last scene.

1:17:17Of course, of course, the perfect send off, right? The perfect send off, yes, exactly. So we have a question for you here today. And that is the future of Bond. Because I think it's very obvious, very easy to answer, right? Like a couple words. It's funny. Every time the topic comes up and we're all in the same room, everyone has an opinion. Like, oh, I think it should be this. If you should be that, do that. We all have these opinions and there's never been a time like this because before I was like, okay, the broccoli are in charge, they have their preferences. We can trust them because they've been through this process a thousand times, casting a new bond, changing the thing. And now it's almost like the training wheels are off for Amy Pascal and Amazon and how are they going to resurrect this? Because he did die in the last movie, but James Bond will return. That is it. That's the watchword, right? That he will always return. So we know he's coming back, but how?

1:18:18I think, and I would imagine most of the fan base agrees with me. We're tired of James Bond being sad all the time. I, as the fans will know, a defender of no time to die. But I've seen that now. You can't kill him again, right? He's died once. Great. Now let's get back to things that are more recognizable to the long time fan. I have some specific thoughts and some specific casting, but not of James Bond. They're going to pick who they pick. It's probably going to be someone we didn't guess. But the most important role to cast, in my opinion, is Q. Oh, okay. Interesting. How Q is portrayed is going to dictate the tone of everything. If you get another binwisha or someone younger and handsome, he's a very handsome man,

1:19:18right? Like more of a, he isn't Desmond Luellen, right? Who was an older gentleman, crotchety, all of that dynamic between him and Bond was committed, but it was also almost eternal. There was an affection, but there was also resentment, because he's always breaking all of the toys. I want them to cast David Mitchell from the TV show, Peep Show. He would be amazing. If you know the sitcom, Peep Show, and you know David Mitchell's work as a comedian in the UK, he has this stuffiness. He's fiscidious. He's also kind of fumbling and pathetic, but he has a pride, even though he's a buffoon. And it's a very English character that he plays in everything, like he's deeply English. And I think Q needs to have that. I was never a big fan of John Cleese as Q. Right.

1:20:19Too broad. He was trying too hard. Yeah. Yeah. He was doing stick instead of playing a character. And but that was how he wasn't faulty tallies, too. Right? Like in Python and everything. He was always up here and everybody else was kind of like subservient to him in a way. Like Jim Carrey, you can't just put Jim Carrey in the movie and not have him steal the scenery. David Mitchell could be a cue that would be funny, but it would be grounded. And that's what I'm looking for as a sense of fun, a sense of a little irreverence and a sense that even though it's fun, it's still grounded. And I think we haven't felt that since Golden Eye of it truly and everybody knows I love Golden Eye, but Golden Eye had a had a realistic grounded feel. Yeah. But it was also fun. The scene of Royale kind of got there and Martin Campbell is obviously part of the reason why both of those films work at balancing the two sides of bond, the whimsy, but also

1:21:21the legitimate spy craft. Yeah. It's that Martin Campbell factor and you can look at one like world is not enough, which does kind of want to have its cake and eat it too or wants to be a little more serious. Yeah. It also wants the goofiness and you bring the costy back. It doesn't sell as well. No, right. No, because the balance is off. And we have a director already. We have a writer already and neither of them specifically have shown that they know how to handle a sense of humor. Right. These are guys who make serious thrillers and big science fiction movies and period pieces and all that stuff. So I guarantee you David Mitchell is not on Denea Villanue's radar for you, but he should be. And I think also all the supporting characters really like who you cast will dictate the tone. And if you I would bring back honestly, I would bring back Ray Fines and just say, you know what? They did it with Judy Dench. Why can't they do it? Yeah. For Ray Fines, who is a fabulous him.

1:22:24We hadn't really had an M like him before where you look at him and you say he could have been James Bond. He could have been a spy instead of the actors who played Q in the classic series. You know, I was thinking also like Idris Elbow. I said, yeah, I said Q. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't be mad at me. There was a slip. There was a knock at the door and I got to. But I was thinking like Idris Elbow was someone who, you know, there was obviously all to talk about Bond years ago, which is no longer a thing. We could be a good M. That's what I think of because you would believe that he was a guy who worked in the field Yes. Was like physically he looks like a guy like a Daniel Craig who could take care of himself for sure. But now he's older and he's settling more into a desk job, but you could have that same sort of like, don't give me attitude Bond because I've been there. Yes, yes. I think the way that M was portrayed in the pre Judy Dench era. He was obviously a military man. He obviously lived through World War I or II depending on what time frame you're talking

1:23:30about. If it's 70s Bond, then it would be World War II or whatever. But he was more of an aristocratic figure, right? Like he's a guy who goes to private clubs in London and, you know, smoke cigars with the lads and, you know, a true upper crust guy, but more stuffy than Bond, right? He's a paint by numbers, play it safe crime by. And a father figure more so. Absolutely. Yeah. But the way Judy Dench played it was, she was more of a pure bureaucrat. You wouldn't think of her because she's a woman and so she's not in the old boys club that the classic M would have been. I think Idris Elf is a fabulous idea for him because now it's sort of like when you make Michael Cain Alfred in Dark Knight trilogy. Oh, he's a guy who was like Alfred has historically been. He's had the proper accent to not let stuff. And now you have Michael Cain coming in sounding like, you know, he's been in a few dust

1:24:33stuffs here and there. So we've got Villainew. Does that encourage you as a director to need Villainew? He's a fantastic filmmaker. He's arguably one of the three or four filmmakers who can put his name on a poster and people will show up, right? It's Christopher Nolan. It's now Ryan Kugler. It's Denie and people are like, I know I'm going to get something fabulous. I'm waiting for their next film and what will it be because he's got the track record. He's got the unique qualities to his work where there's a signature. And so I'm expecting it to be great. I'm expecting it to be a beautifully shot. I'm expecting it to have all of the aesthetic things that you would want in a great movie. It's not going to be the Bond movie I want to see. Right. And maybe that brings me to a final question that's interesting to contemplate. We are not in our 20s. I know that's shocking to people watching.

1:25:35But yeah, sorry. Bond, you know, in my lifetime, you know, a big part of it was gold. And I bring in all these teenagers, partly through the video game, a big part of it. But what do they need to do to bring young people to this franchise? It's never been a problem before. It's fascinating. You're talking about this off mic yesterday. Yeah. That for whatever reason, the broccoli is always able to catch the wave. Bond has never felt truly like stuffy and old and lame. Like licensed to kill. Maybe that the Dalton, I'm sorry. Maybe the Dalton period was the point where it was like, yeah. But even by like if you go back to the Rod hermore, the end of Rodgers tenure, he was obviously too old for Tony Roberts, too old to be getting into fist fights with anybody, really.

1:26:35But they were very smart that they said, let's get Durand Durand to do this song. Let's have Grace Jones be the hints person. Let's do all of these things that feel contemporary even though Roger in the middle is in his 50s and he's not cool. James Bond has never felt uncool other than maybe licensed to kill, era. So I think it'll be fine because as long as the pieces are there, the car, the martinis, the beautiful people, the beautiful locations, the action, it's James Bond is just a great character. Like I don't think they have to do anything to specifically target young people. And that's unfortunately not how Hollywood works. They're always thinking about demographics and like how to do people into seeing a movie they otherwise wouldn't see. Like no people can no see it. James Bond movie. It's James Bond.

1:27:35It's timeless. We've seen it across multiple decades. This is timeless. And so I hope that they don't overthink it. I hope that they don't overcompensate for the fact this is an older franchise about a white guy in a tuxedo who's a snob. Let's just do it. Do it the way that we all love. Add some contemporary aesthetics to it. And you're fine. Don't overthink James Bond. It's James Bond. And I think if we talk about comparing it to Star Trek, since we're here to Star Trek convention, all they've done is overthink it for like 20 years now. Wow, we got to get people to young people to go. So let's put a character in their underwear and all three of these JJ Abrams movies. Let's have the Beastie boys on the soundtrack. Like don't just make the thing people love. So I hope that Amazon and Amy Pascal and all the people working on the movie try to just

1:28:37capture the spirit of the character that we love. And that's it. David's always awesome having you on the show. Thank you. But maybe tell the people, you know, what is up going on with you? You've distracted your first film. I directed a short film. We're doing the festival rounds right now. It'll be we're going to put it out once our festival run is over. Like in the fall or early 2027. I was just nominated for a World Fantasy Award for my book, which is called Horror's New Way 15 Years of Blumhouse. It's available everywhere. You buy books from Simon and Schuster. What else? I think that's everything. You know, I'm working on many other things and and I have nothing else to promote. But that's a lot of those two things. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to be doing for the next two years with waiting for the next James Bond. Awesome. Well, we got to get to the vendor's room. So I think that is done. Cut it. Cut it. Well, there you go. That was Dave Sheeling.

1:29:38And I'll just point out he just recently brought a short out. Can't float. It's currently going around the festivals that he wrote, produced and directed. So go check that out, folks, so that you can grab it online. So good for you, Dave as well. Well done. Yeah. And he actually moderated a couple of panels as well himself, but was racing out the door to actually fly to the premiere of that short. So I hope all went well, Dave. And we'd love to have you back on the show whenever you're free because you're great. Open invitation. He knows that. He's a good, he's a good egg. Thank you, Dave. Hope you enjoyed that conversation. I enjoyed the dalleans, this dance, this right turn for the show for just a week. Indulgeous, folks. It's the 60th anniversary of Star Trek. It doesn't happen very often. And nor do we get to speak to the likes of Jonathan Frex, Kate Moll, Drew Jack Quaid, Christina Chong, and Ethan Peckin, of course, our friend, humorist. Dave Sheeling, in living color. I think it was well worth the time.

1:30:40This was definitely a one for us episode. Yeah. But don't worry, it's a one for you for the next handful of episodes, at least. Well, yeah, I mean, I'll throw to that in just a second, but thank you all for tuning in. It also like I know to did it at the start, like we, when we were there, we celebrated our sixth anniversary. That is by no means a small feat. We should really be spending more time celebrating it. We thank you all for being here with us on this journey for those who have just joined us over on Patreon.com slash spy hearts and chip in towards the show to help us on the air. You help us pay for all the systems to put this together. We thank you. None of this would exist without you. And I am constantly humbled that we are able to have these experiences and these opportunities. And I know it is because of all of you. Yeah. And this is our Travelleon year. So, we hope that we can, you know, leave you all just as happy at the end of this year

1:31:42as we have in previous because we are working our way to our 007 year. And that, that is a milestone to definitely look towards. And I guess after that, nothing matters anymore. No, once you've done seven, what's left? Yeah. Eight. It's like our tenth. You're like, I mean, I guess ten's a decent number, but like, there's no interesting spy connection there. It's like, you know, look at what we've done. This year we passed the million listens milestone. We celebrated the year with our podcast network, Padomadi. In the last year we've done a live show in England with Catherine Vinclair talking about Thunderbolt with Marty and Bezwick. We've done live panels as well. I mean, we're looking to do more of those in the next year. We've got some things cooking on that front. It is all go at club spy hordes, which is a great club to be a member of. And you can be a member of patreon.com slash by hordes. Definitely, definitely. And there is some, I think, is there any Star Trek coverage over there? I don't know. Have we done Star Trek 5? Oh, that's right.

1:32:43We did an episode on Star Trek 5, which was a ton of fun. Yeah, that's the crazy one. So we did Star Trek Nemesis as well. Actually, recently, why do we forget that? I don't know. I mean, everyone forgot Star Trek Nemesis, so it's easy to do. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So yes, you can listen to our discussion on two of the worst Star Trek films over on the Patreon. Um, hopefully we've got good ones at some point. Indeed. But so yeah, thank you for indulging us. Um, we hope you got something out of it. If you tuned out the start, well, you won't listen to this. So, but if you're still here, we got to just talk around. Quick question, Scott. When we get to our ninth anniversary, that's, I believe fact checked me, bond fans, but 009 was the clown bond from the start of Octopussy. So we're going to get killed by Mishko and Grilco, Grishko or whatever it is. Or what is our clown year? I think we already had it. It was one through six, wasn't it? Oh, good point, actually, good point. Uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's been fun and we're not going anyway, folks, don't

1:33:46you worry. There's going to be some couple of changes coming in the next month or so on the show, how we look, some bits and bobs, which we'll discuss with you a little closer to the time, but nothing else will change, except we'll just get bigger and better and speaking of bigger and better, it doesn't get much better than Daniel Craig Bond or at least for about half of the fandom anyway. Well, so, uh, Cam, why don't you tell the folks what's coming up next week? Yes, we are talking to Michael Lerman. We pitched this last time, but that's right for those that didn't catch it the first time around. We're talking to Michael Lerman, who is a first AD on films like Quantum of Solace, Skyfall and Spectre. And what's interesting about this one is, you know, those two of those films were very tumultuous. And so Michael's going to take us kind of a behind the scenes story, some stories there and just tell us his evolution of being with Bond over three films that, you know what? In a lot of ways, it's the perfect kind of Spymaster interview because two of the movies are very polarizing. Yep. And so I think those stories are fascinating. And obviously, Skyfall is one of the most momentous Bond films of all time.

1:34:48Well, he was there too for that one. So some great stuff as well as we talk about the movie 1917, Dr. Strange and a couple of other things. Yeah, it's one of those tough ones to advertise because you go like, oh, the first AD, what does that mean? Well, we'll tell you and more. But it is also one of those ones just to wet your whistle a little bit, folks. If you're a Bond historian or you know one, maybe get him to chime in. There might be some stories they've never heard before that might just end up in the history books because we do like to be cited on Wikipedia. Love it. Love it. Yeah. Never happened. We should have been. There's been a few cases where we really should have been. Yeah. We're not bitter, folks. We know we did it first. It's okay. And you were all here for it. So join us next week as we speak to Michael Lerman. It sure to be a good time. We hope you've enjoyed the chat about STLV. World of Spyhurst. Return. Well, you'll find out in the coming months. I'm sure the conversations will happen at some point and we'll have to discuss it. I'd like to, but we'll see how that goes. Enjoy the interview next week. We'll be back for that here on YouTube and of course on all of your major podcasts.

1:35:53I'm a join us over on social media at spyhard's SPYHARTS. DS. But until next time, folks, I'll skip the jokes and I'll just say cheers to the 60th anniversary of Star Trek. Live long and prosper. This podcast is part of PADOMITY, the UK's podcast comedy network. Why not laugh at what else we've got? Visit Padomody.com.