Survivor 50 Recap | Episode 3

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The Survivor Specialist, Phil and Will are back

with our episode three recap of Survivor Season 50.

And we have this comment right here,

Jayburn Aquatic Specialist taking so long crying over Q.

That is what took us forever to get here.

We were just crying over Q going home so early,

very sad, very depressing.

I didn't like it.

I'm beat up.

We'll get into this whole episode a lot to talk about.

But first, I mean, let's get into the highlight of the episode.

Let's just do it right off the bat.

That wrap was sick.

That was so good.

I'm so happy that came back, maybe fried chicken and waffles.

Best thing of the new era.

This is what makes Survivor a family show.

I'll tell you what a bunch of people

sat down with their families tonight.

A bunch of parents sat down with their kids

and were like, you know what kid?

You can watch Survivor now.

You can stay up till 9.30 because this is what it's all about.

Did something else happen on the episode?

Because that's literally the only thing I remember.

That's the only part of the episode

that I remember at all.

Yeah, Phil, at one point.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, no, you text me at one point during the episode.

And you're just like, I can't, I can't believe this wrap.

It's like, it's like, I can think about like,

this is the only thing that matters.

I get if you don't like it.

I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and say I'm a fan of it

or I wanna see more of it, but like, come on.

Don't let it ruin your whole rest of enjoyment

for the episode.

What, it was 10 seconds?

I'm gonna do whatever.

10 seconds?

Like, people I think are losing their minds.

People love to just hate something and I get it.

Like if you hate it, hate it, but let your hate only hit

a certain level of impacting your enjoyment of the show.

Like, hate it for what it is.

Don't hate all of Survivor.

Don't hate all of Jeff Groves.

Don't hate all of season 50 simply for these 15 seconds.

Was it corny?

Yes, was it cheesy?

Yes, unnecessary, yes.

But I think there is something to be said

about the levity of the season.

I think this was intentional by Jeff.

He said that the way the show is cast.

It's gonna cast fun people.

Kind of big, brighter personalities.

After season 40, the last all-returning season being

like literally called winners at war.

It had this very serious tone of thunderbolts, cannonballs.

You can see it in the logo.

We open with a physical brawl.

Like, this is not that.

And I think Jeff is taking the show

on a different direction for 50.

And I think the same Jeff that is saying,

oh, let's have a nice rap song about the hands of the fans.

Also, the rhyming was pretty bad.

That might have been the worst part.

At least rhyme well.

He rhymed.

He went, hands, fans back to hands.

Like, you can't rhyme the same word with the same word.

That aside.

I think he's telling Jeff a lot of rappers.

The same Jeff that is rapping and singing songs.

I think it's also the same Jeff that is like,

make sure we include Christian shitting his pants.

Like, make sure we blur out the stain.

Make this as fun and as light as possible.

So, like, I will take, again, 15 seconds

of a quippy little corny rap,

if we're gonna get maybe a more lighthearted season

that isn't taking itself too seriously.

See, I won't.

I won't.

Right.

I'm gonna complain about it.

I'm gonna stand at Fenderman, says L to the OG.

We're gonna get that one going, right?

I just, I understand this is why I have to complain

about it right off the bat.

I think that there's just this,

there's this misconception that survivor

wasn't always a family show.

I think that's what's driving me crazy about it will.

And I know you don't follow all of the online stuff

as closely as I do.

And I know you don't have like social media and everything.

But this whole thing has been Jeff is so proud

that he's turned survivor into a family show.

That that's what it's all about now.

I was eight years old when the first season came out.

I'm not doing a podcast on it at 34.

Like Will is the same age as me.

He's actually younger, which shows in his maturity level.

But when you think about this,

it's always been a family show.

I'm obsessed with Colby because what I watch

is a nine year old and a 13 year old.

This, like, and it wasn't corny.

It was fun.

It was the adventure.

Why to be a family show now?

Does it have to be just pure cheese?

And I know that maybe some people are like,

this is really what we're starting this episode with.

But I want to do it because I know that our fans,

the ones who listen to us every week,

they are the kinds of people who are so over

this version of Jeff.

And this was so unnecessary.

It wasn't fun.

Let me get a little finger snap in going.

Like it's awkward.

And like the people who were into it,

I'm rooting against you.

Like I am actively now rooting against Aubrey.

I hope her time on Survivor continues to be bad

because she was way too into this.

Thank God, Sean didn't show up on the island.

If he were to show up on the island,

I'm going to stop watching season 50.

So this is just a surprise.

Don't make too soon.

We literally have a musician coming next week

from the free view.

It's probably like fill a piece of my chicken off.

Like this might be some sort of foreshadowing

where we have, is it Zach Brown?

Zach Brown or Zach Brown, which I have now?

There's Luke Bryan, Luke Brown, Zach Brown, Zach Bryan.

Dude, I cannot keep the country name.

They're all like two first names.

I'm like, I can't figure it out.

But we have some musician coming who is,

we see a guitar in the next time on.

Like fill, brace yourself for another musical segment.

I'm okay with the music.

Like I'm actually, this is crazy.

I'm more okay with a musician who's not playing Survivor,

showing up on the island more than I am Jeff doing this.

And there's a lot of people who are saying they don't mind it.

It's fair, you don't have to mind it.

But I know that most of the Survivor fans

that die hard since day one are rolling their eyes

so aggressively at this.

And a lot of people were complaining

during the Eva Joe moment,

which I think was handled perfectly by Jeff.

People were complaining that Jeff inserted himself

too much into that.

What the hell was this then?

So we can move off of it.

I just had to start with this because look,

it was important enough to keep in the edit.

That means it's important enough for us to spend six minutes

talking about and what's probably gonna be another

insanely long episode.

Just get ready everybody tomorrow night digging deeper.

I got Joe Menna,

coming on who's gonna probably be talking about Chrissy

and Chrissy going through the ringer in these episodes.

And then I got Blake on there too.

Well, I'm sure he's gonna have nothing but nice things

to say about Jeff doing this rap.

So just be happy that I'm the one starting this out.

And I know that some people are like,

Phil, what the hell?

I had to go there to start because they kept it in the episode.

And I know that people were just rolling their eyes.

And if you're not rolling your eyes,

I wish I had your innocence and joy because I don't.

And I hated this.

And turn signs as Jeff needs to retire.

That was the other thing this felt like,

oh, isn't it so cute that grandpa came out

and did the rap with us?

Like that's something you'd see on TikTok

of like the old guy dancing with like his eight year old.

That's what this felt like.

It's not what survivor needs to be.

Survivor can be fun anyway.

So anyway, Nicholas W. Will,

why are we so obsessed with this?

Why is Jeff obsessed with putting it on there?

If he's gonna put it on there, I'm gonna talk about it.

So here we are.

Brian Killingit,

web act brown better come to that island

and show Jeff how to rap.

So it is Zach Brown.

Zach Brown.

Yeah, I don't still,

I mean, it doesn't do anything.

Even though those are the two correct names,

doesn't like put a different song or image in my head.

But I think the way you said like,

okay, I started watching this show when I was eight.

It was a kid show.

Like how old was Jeff that?

Right now.

Like that is what, almost 30 years ago at this point,

we're like 26 years ago.

So like, Jeff's age two and Jeff is now hitting like,

he is hitting like the age of a grandpa.

And like, I think it's okay if our host

who was quiet, sassy business means business

is now in his older kind of later stages of life.

I don't think Jeff's like,

you know, gonna like die anytime soon.

But like he is kind of into an older phase of his life.

And he is a TV host.

He's been hosting the same show for so long.

And I think it's okay to see like an arc from Jeff.

Like that's fine.

Aaron Conn, coach enjoying it is the only funny thing.

I'm okay with anyone who hands it up.

I said this last time.

I'm not on top of that.

I'm like, yeah, ask you to snap.

And he's already invited you back for returning players season.

Like you wanna, when you're on survivor,

you listen to Jeff.

You do what he says.

You want screen time.

You wanna be invited to things.

You wanna be like at the top of his mind.

Like because if you cross him,

you'll never play survivor again.

So snap your fingers and sing along.

Cause like, you gotta keep Jeff happy.

I mean, Colby doing it.

I've never seen Colby more uncomfortable

and he got ridden the finish line by coach.

So here we are.

What's the real reason we're actually rooting against Aubrey,

though, it has nothing to do with this finger snap

because she's looking at Genevieve.

And I had this realization.

So Sophie Beleri and I did the podcast this weekend

for Predictions of Power Rankings.

And as we were talking, I was like,

this is a bad swap for Genevieve

because her number one enemy is Aubrey

and Aubrey has an idol.

And all of a sudden tonight's episode comes out

and Genevieve's telling everybody

when it worked with you and I'm like,

oh, good, Genevieve's through.

Then she goes and tells Tiffany

who I forgot was on the season.

And Tiffany goes and tells Aubrey.

And that's why I'm rooting against Aubrey

because it feels like Aubrey might be trying to target Genevieve.

So Will, you had to have a lot of ups and downs

going on in this episode.

And we can get off of the wrap.

We'll bring it up later.

Cause we'll probably have to talk about it two or three more times.

But oh, yeah, of course we do.

How were you feeling about this?

I mean, we'll get into the vote and everything with Q and all of that.

But I really do have to start with this Genevieve Aubrey

boomerang idol situation.

Because I know that this is a hot topic

in the community right now.

This was a hot topic when we were doing Predictions of Power Rankings.

People were talking about Genevieve finds a boomerang idol

and has to give it away.

Then somebody else finds a boomerang idol

and gives it to Aubrey.

And now Aubrey and Genevieve are kind of

looking like they're pitted against each other.

How do you feel about the way this is shaking out?

You're the game design guy.

Is this a nightmare situation or is this a good situation?

Not even considering who the people are

just from the way that it could potentially happen.

Wait, you mean not from like a game player people

situate your time?

I just feel like the rules of how the boomerang idol works.

I'm confused.

I want to know how you feel about the fact

that somebody who found one had to give it away

and now they're being potentially targeted

by somebody after a tribe swap

who has one that they were just handed.

Yeah, I think you could argue, okay,

you found the idol, you found the advantage,

you should gain some sort of power.

But like, I don't know, it's Survivor Season 50,

the challenges are dynamic as the fans have voted.

I mean, at least it wasn't a Beware Advantage.

Like you lose your vote until you get someone else

on another tribe to say a phrase.

Like we've seen some pretty punishing Beware Advantage.

I know I've said, you know, later half of the new era,

it's been very little Beware.

It's like, okay, the task is super achievable

and you're basically just getting an idol.

But just because you find something in the jungle

doesn't mean you're automatically awarded an advantage

or idol, especially if you don't have to do

any further task after that.

So I mean, if you find this thing and hand it over

and now we're swapping, I mean, I think that's fine.

And I think what we saw tonight was, you know,

the weaponizing of this information.

Who knows about these Billy Isle of Gitals?

Who knows who has one?

And I think it's, I think we'd have to like

almost go back and track it.

Because people are saying different things.

How many people know who has an idol?

But how many people know only like half the story?

They're like, okay, well Aubrey has an idol.

Do they know that if she gets voted out with the idol

that it goes back to Christian?

Saying what's Aussie, do they know

that if Aussie gets voted out, does it go back to Genevieve?

Or is it being pitched by, okay,

Aussie has one people want to work with him?

Aubrey has one people want to work with her.

Like I think something, again,

it's not like one thing across the board

where everybody knows everything

or no one knows anything.

I think it's like really fine on who knows what.

And that might be actually a little hard to track.

And that's actually why I was surprised episode two

that we even got two Billy Isle of Gitals.

I'm very agitated.

There were three Billy Isle of Gitals.

Billy Isle of Gimmery and Gitals, excuse me.

I should say the full name.

But I thought having one was interesting.

Two kind of makes it like the theme of the season.

And when that happens, the word is going to get out

extremely quickly.

And I'm sure Bill, we will see a scene down the line.

Like you gave me this title.

Is it because you wanted it to boomerang back to you?

You want to get me out?

Or you want to work with me?

Course they're going to say, I want to work with you.

But is that going to be believed?

Like I think this is part of the design of this title.

We get conversations going,

I think it would be more interesting if you had three

different idols and there was only one of these

because then I think secrets are just fun.

Yeah.

The Billy Isle of Gimmery, I think after this episode,

after you swap with 21 people, it cats out of the bag here.

So I don't know if you're going to get maybe the effects

you would want.

It might have played out more interesting

or at least be more surprising and more secretive

if there were only one of them in the game.

But it's not unfair by any means.

Yeah, I think that it's because people are really excited

for Genevieve.

Obviously, rightfully so, people are stoked

that Genevieve's going to be on the season.

Genevieve's going to be playing with who?

Genevieve's had a big edit.

And now all of a sudden, it's like Genevieve looks like she's

in good and we don't know what's going to happen down the line.

But I know that I had brought up that there's the potential

that Genevieve ends up getting idled out by Aubrey.

And I thought that potentially could happen this episode

and her tribe wins, so it doesn't matter.

Maybe they keep winning.

Who knows?

But my point is I know that when I mention that,

the comments really were like, no, that can't happen

and they started talking about this dynamic

of Genevieve found the idol.

And then she could be voted out by somebody

who didn't find one who was giving it.

But I kind of agree with you.

I think that more of the emotional reaction is coming from

I'm just looking at our chat.

A lot of people are being down on Aubrey over here.

And I know a lot of people are really excited about Genevieve.

I think if the roles were reversed,

people would be like, yeah, this is fine.

I think it's a lot of results-based type stuff

and I do kind of agree with what you're saying.

And then you had mentioned swapping with 21 people.

I mean, and who knows what information?

You mentioned this back in our episode one recap

of all this weaponization of information.

And we really saw that come out tonight.

I mean, Rizzo knew everything about the ability.

The idol is shy.

And we have Q who doesn't have a vote.

And then he's trying to claim me as an extra vote.

But he's also on a tribe now with Ozzy.

So is he gonna be able to pull off that lie

and Q ultimately ends up going home

and I don't think it had anything to do with that?

But like, there is a lot of information out there.

And I think that it's actually being utilized very, very well

by the players who are playing.

But I agree with you now what happens

with his Billie Eilish Boomerang idol

where is everybody just gonna know everybody who has it?

I mean, especially if you've got Emily Flippin running around

as just a loose can and telling everybody everything.

Ridley told everyone everybody,

but like told everything to everyone instantly.

And she had Christian on her tribe

that she could have gone and like shadowed with before.

We could definitely get into that.

Yeah, I mean, look, I'm rooting for Genevieve.

She's probably out of the new era of people.

She's the one I wanna see go the farthest

that I'm rooting for the most.

She was in a good spot.

And I think even like imagining a version of season 50

where Genevieve lands on our feet and is in the majority

and people are talking to her and like,

if that tribe Luke goes over three and challenges,

I'm pretty confident Genevieve is surviving

all three tribal councils.

Like that was not on anyone's bingo card.

I don't think that's what you would have bet on going into this season.

Just with her threat level and the way people view her.

And even I didn't listen to preseason interviews,

but based on the comments and based on just chatter,

people are saying, man, everyone does not wanna work with Genevieve.

So like for her to land was awesome.

She swaps, yeah, I mean, this is gonna be a worse situation

and she does have her number one enemy on her tribe

and her number one enemy does have an idol.

Again, I don't think this is unfair.

I think this is kind of the nature of modern survivor.

You're gonna have a lot of advantages in the game.

You're gonna have a lot of swaps.

There's a lot of luck, but it's on Genevieve to get out of this.

And she went around.

I think this was probably a mistake from Genevieve

in that she kind of, it seems like she went to all other

five people on her tribe besides Aubrey.

I think there was, and they literally showed every single scene.

I think you maybe wanna sit back a day

and feel like, okay, who's Aubrey talking to?

Who's she close with?

And maybe you can figure out that her and Tiffany

have some sort of working relationship.

And then you don't tell five people.

Maybe tell three people or even two people,

but to tell all five other people

that you're targeting Aubrey,

I think might be a little heavy handed.

Again, I'm rooting for Genevieve.

I hope she gets out of this.

I think, like, yeah, I just, I don't know.

I think going around, like you're not leaving any room

for Aubrey to have anyone to work with.

And that's just never gonna happen.

Like Aubrey is going to talk with somebody.

And someone is going to let them know

that you have gone and said her name.

Yeah, I think, I agree with you.

I think the biggest mistake that Genevieve made

was not taking into account pre-season potential.

Cause why would she assume that Tiffany and Aubrey

have any type of relationship?

They haven't played on a season together.

They've played on this season together.

They weren't even in the same era.

They were 14 seasons, or eight seasons apart

from their most recent, right?

So, you know, maybe she thought she was getting away with it.

I mean, Joey ate it up, whatever.

But I mean, Genevieve probably did do a little bit too much here.

And it also hurts her that her closest ally,

which is Colby, doesn't have a vote.

So, we'll see what ends up happening on that tribe.

I'm worried, like that was my prediction for this week.

And now I'm concerned that that is like,

still might come through fruition,

especially if Genevieve doesn't realize

what's going on over there.

I mean, we heard from Tiffany tonight.

Are we in a situation where Tiffany and Aubrey

are suddenly gonna take over that tribe?

To me, that's a nightmare scenario

because I love that tribe.

And I don't, I mean, I feel like I'm talking negative

about Aubrey.

I like Aubrey a lot.

But if you're gonna give me coach Colby,

Genevieve, I mean, I'm gonna take them a hundred times

out of a hundred over me.

Joe?

Other three.

Yeah, I mean, I'll put Joe in there too.

I mean, that's a group of four.

And that's what you need to do in a tribe of seven.

Yeah, I think also this is a very old school tribe.

Like, we saw the connection with Joe and coach.

You see Colby mixing it up in there.

And that might be another maybe misread or misplay

from Genevieve in that.

When you get swapped onto a tribe,

or even on a starting tribe,

like you probably want to just get engaged

for like how your fellow tribe mates want to play the game.

And on paper, like we,

I think we talked about this at the end of the recap last week.

It's like that is gonna,

they're gonna form an old school

like on, on a C integrity loyal alliance.

Like that's probably coming with Joe and coach.

Might as well throw Colby in there.

Genevieve is attached to Colby.

There you go, there's your four.

And that did appear to be the case.

I am aware that Colby doesn't have a vote.

I am aware that Genevieve knows that.

But if you have this old school alliance

on this older school tribe,

and we're on season 50 with maybe, you know,

more old school players than we've seen

in a very long time,

do you mean to then go onto the beach

and start dropping names?

Be like, oh, Aubrey, I'm after Aubrey.

She didn't, she said this to me.

Like, I get it, it's Genevieve.

That's how she plays.

She's an aggressive player.

That's why we love Genevieve.

That's why she's on this season to begin with.

I'm rooting for her.

But I am also wish she just kind of took

like a little bit of a breather,

just like waited a day or like wait to your tribe loses.

And she knows Colby doesn't have a vote too.

I know, so it's like I just don't know

she needs to bring unnecessary attention to herself.

And clearly like Aubrey is not going to side

with you at this point.

And so it's not about losing Aubrey,

but it's about like making friends with everyone out.

Like I think she first has to fit in on the tribe.

I think she was.

Again, like that or some right there

seems to be a pretty good alliance.

It's just now Aubrey is aware you're after her.

Aubrey has this idol.

Colby doesn't have a vote.

Chrissy is hovering around in the mix.

We don't know where she's going to end up.

So yeah, I'm still gonna,

I'm still gonna like root for Genevieve.

But I am not feeling calm.

Like I can't sit here and be like,

no, she's fine.

I can't really say that.

And I know we're starting with this tribe

and I don't know really how I got here

after fried chicken and waffles or whatever the hell Jeff did.

Maybe it's just because I saw Colby

like not knowing what to do.

Jayburn Aquatic here says,

never thought I'd be rooting for Chrissy.

I did not like her at all in 35.

But she won me over this episode.

What a legend.

Hope she goes deep.

What did you think about the way that Chrissy coach

that whole conversation went?

And Chrissy had a really bad episode last week.

And everybody's just talking badly about Chrissy.

And now tonight we get her breaking down.

We get her really personal moment

about the surgeries that she had to go through.

These preventative surgeries that she did.

I mean, what did you think about this?

Like is this the start of something for Chrissy

and coach and potentially Colby as well?

Is this just the start of Chrissy story overall

because she looked like she was screwed

over on that other tribe

and coach pretty much confirms it tonight.

You were going home if we went to travel counts.

I thought this was, yeah, it's Chrissy story

but I also think it maybe was the story

of the entire episode.

We got three versions of the same story.

We got this from Chrissy but we also got a version

of this with Angelina and we got a version of this

with Aubrey too.

Tiffany telling Aubrey is a very similar story

as Coach telling Chrissy and an Emily telling Angelina.

Like it really got revealed like quickly

who was on the bottom, who was going home

from the original tribe.

So I think what was so interesting is

how the people chose to handle it.

And Aubrey was immediately like,

this is where I'd usually want to cry.

Guess what, I'm not.

I'm not going to cry.

Let's take a deep breath.

Let's handle it.

She knows she has an idol.

Tiff, you're my angel.

Let's get through this.

Like that's kind of like a mature survivor player

and Aubrey's played four times.

Chrissy was in power most of her season

or had immunity on her neck

and the post-mortem of her season.

And I don't know if Chrissy has experienced this.

And I think Aubrey has before being at the bottom

or not quite fitting in.

And I think Chrissy kind of out of nowhere

was like, oh my god, I wasn't fitting in

and I didn't even know I wasn't fitting in.

I'm like, that's almost worse.

Like at least Andy on 47 was like, I'm not fitting in

but I at least know I'm not fitting in

and that's why I'm paranoid.

I don't know if Chrissy even felt this or saw this.

Hey, maybe she did.

But I did think it was a nice way to like

tell her cancer story and like what she's been up to

since her season of survivor.

And like that, you know, despite being season 50

it's season full of returning players and legends.

This is by no means easy.

I think the show is hamming that up quite a bit.

That look, this is still survivor.

This is not a walk in the park.

And that just because you played before

or might have fans or might be loved on your season

you might come in here and might really struggle to fit in.

You might be targeted by people

or different reasons that you wouldn't expect.

Like this is still a social experiment.

This is still people living 24-7 together on a beach

with a very little comfort.

So like I get it.

I think it's a good way to sell that we are still playing

survivor despite coming this kind of celebrity status

for a lot of these people.

Yeah, and I think for for Chrissy too.

I mean, there's been a lot of big Chrissy fans

since season 35 aired.

I mean, there's been a lot of people who felt

she should have beaten Ben.

There's been a lot of people who have wanted her back

for a very long time.

A lot of people thought she was one of the best players

of the 30s just because of her strategic game

and the fact that she was very good physically.

The social game was always the part she struggled with.

And when you're watching that happen last week

you're saying yourself, man, there's some people out there

like they've been wanting this person back

on their screen for so long.

Now they're gonna get like the Vedish treatment almost.

And I know the Vedish stuff was more of like,

he's weirdly massaging everybody

but it felt like it was just a bad narrative

that was going for Chrissy.

So for her to get the content she got tonight

I was really happy for her.

I feel like that tribe got a pretty good amount of content.

And maybe that's why I'm starting with them

is because I thought they were going to lose the challenge

when it all came down to it.

I felt like they were getting so much development.

There was so much conversation about everything going on.

We got such a long scene of Genevieve.

We got that part with Chrissy.

We had coach, I mean St. Clipo says it up here

but being told by coach that you talk too much is wild.

Like I thought that maybe that was where we were going

and maybe that's just why in my mind that's where we started.

So we had the way coach handle it too.

Like he didn't sit, he was walking.

I believe who else was in the shot with them.

I think it might have been Joe.

It was a very casual cavalier like walk down the path.

Like by the way Chrissy, like just relax, don't talk too much.

You were really pissing people off

and we were going to vote you out.

So like really chill.

All right, like we didn't get coach consoling her

or like being like let me level with you.

I want to work with you in this game.

This is what we have to do together.

I want your bow, but you can't do this like last time.

Like the coach Chrissy relationship again

has been really bizarre all season.

And I kept this the third episode I'm going to say in a row

on a recap, the omission of coach's reaction

to the scene with them in the first episode.

I found very odd and then we weren't getting any reads

from coach on what does he think about Chrissy targeting D?

Where's this story going?

Are they an alliance or are they not?

And then here he just kind of like drops this in.

This is a very moving scene in moment for Chrissy.

But coach is a ghost here.

Like he just says yeah, like yeah.

Nah, you really got to toe down.

It's like, yeah, I don't know if they're working

to get there or not.

I get to feel very confused.

And then you got Colby just wandering behind them.

Is that Colby?

I remember like a third person there.

It wasn't this like private thing I got to sit you down.

So yeah, it really wasn't.

And Colby was trying to look like Colby had that realization

of wait, this is getting serious.

Let me look around and he starts looking around

and then it was just like, OK, I guess I don't know.

It was weird.

And I couldn't tell how Chrissy was taking it.

Because then Chrissy says I want to go have girls talk.

And she goes and she sits on the beach with Genevieve.

And who was the other person who sat with her on the beach?

It wasn't Aubrey.

Who's the other woman I'm going to try?

It was Tiff.

It was Tiff.

So she goes and sits on the beach with Tiffany and Genevieve.

And like, I mean, they have a moment,

but she doesn't really say, I can't handle coach.

It was just more of like, I'm just down.

So maybe it is working out OK for coach, I don't know.

Well, for me, this was kind of like Genevieve

as a confessional saying people are going to remember

when you make them feel good.

And it seemed like Genevieve was doing a lot

to console Chrissy here.

And so if they don't have Colby's vote, maybe they get

Chrissy to join them.

And especially Chrissy is kind of like an older school player.

I know 35 is a necessarily older season,

but she was physical.

She was fairly loyal to the people she was working with.

She is older.

I think just older people tend to be a little bit more

loyal on Survivor.

So I mean, if you got this alliance of Chrissy, Genevieve,

Joe, coach, Colby, you just got to avoid Aubrey's idol.

That's it.

Yeah.

And at that point, there's enough ways

to avoid that idol.

Like, don't vote for Aubrey.

Vote for Tiff.

But do the vote for Tiff.

But you can even split the votes too.

I mean, you could do a three too.

And then whoever two they vote for, if there's an idol played,

it's fine.

There you go.

All right, let's jump over to some other tribes here.

I don't want to go to the losing tribe yet,

since we're already talking about the winning tribe.

We might not be able to do that.

Yeah, we're kind of, this is weird.

Usually we talk about the vote in tribal council.

But you wanted to start with the rap.

And now we're going to like the tribes that didn't go,

but I'm here for it.

We're going to cover everything eventually.

You know what it is.

Okay, so first of all, I want to throw up this super chat here.

St. Clipo, how the heck are we getting this cast down

to a final three at this rate?

The potential twist are giving me nightmares.

Yeah.

I always do.

I think that's why I'm starting with these tribes,

because I thought it was going to be two tribes

going to tribal council.

And then it wasn't.

I'm assuming the next three or four episodes

are double boots the whole way through, no?

But then they're doing a reward challenge next week.

So what do I do?

Yeah, no, I'm, I was in the middle of this episode

at some point a class just like, okay, well,

and it was before the immunity challenge even started.

I just looked at the clock and I'm like, okay,

this is another single boot episode.

Like we aren't getting the two losers

of the immunity challenge going into tribal here.

And we're going to enter episode four

with a 20 person cast.

And I don't know, I did a,

the most recent season of surviving bar stool

was a 24 person cast.

And that's how the pre-march worked.

It was three tribes of eight, two tribes that lost,

voted somebody out.

It was a way to churn through people.

And even in that, I think at final 13,

we had this one game and it had three mini games

within it, with the votes within it.

And we went from 13 down to 10.

And it was this huge twisty thing with,

I don't know, you have to watch it.

It's actually pretty good.

I am so worried that like halfway,

we're going to lose like four people at once.

And like that's not what I want to see happen.

But that's starting to be a concern for me

where I appreciated that we got into the season

with, you know, we're just going to focus

on the losing tribe.

Maybe do that for two episodes.

By this week, we know the players.

Like they're all returning players anyway.

We did a tribe swap.

Like I think we could have gotten through a two people here.

Because the longer we put this off,

the later you're putting into the game

where the vote should be more meaningful.

I mean, the stakes rise every single time.

You're closer to a million dollars.

You're closer to the final three.

So like, I am very worried that we're going to lose

three or four people within one episode.

Another thought that crossed my mind,

and this is the optimist in me,

are we going to get,

are there like bonus episodes coming out

where it's like, surprise,

this is a two hour episode.

Or we're going to do two episodes this week.

We have one Wednesday, one Thursday.

Like this is 50.

Like maybe they want to surprise the fans.

And it's like, we understand we have 24 people.

We understand we have 26 days.

We are still going to give you more episodes

and not stick to this 13 episode schedule

that we've been doing for, you know, years.

And we got this coming from Audrey Radajack

that I have up here of.

I think they're going to start doing triple booths

with each person on the tribune individual immunity.

Like, here's the thing with the returning player seasons.

And it's every season.

The first all stars,

we talked about this when we did it for every season matters.

There's a really rough stretch in that pre-emerge

because the Sue Quit is its own episode.

The Jenna Quit is its own episode.

They really want to keep the players around

as long as they possibly can.

We see it in heroes versus villains.

It's single boot, single boot, single boot.

Oh, here's the Tyson time.

But it comes a little bit later in the season.

And then we get another double boot way down the line.

We see it in winners at war

with edge of extinction in general.

Like, it's almost like they're scared

to just rip the bandaid off.

We're going to be disappointed no matter who goes.

And it feels like they're trying to get us

as much out of these people as they can.

But then my concern is tonight, we just talked about it.

Like the whole Genevieve and Aubrey of it all.

Could they put the votes on Tiffany potentially?

We'll see what's up happening.

Like, is it better to lose people now

rather than, oh, it's episode six.

And now we're getting a triple boot BS

if whatever Audrey Radajack is saying,

like if that were to come true,

we're getting a triple boot BS

where the challenge is build the tower with your feet.

And then we see like Colby and I don't know who else.

Jonathan and people wouldn't be mad if Jonathan went home.

I got to think of people who people would be mad at.

But it's like all of a sudden, Genevieve, I know.

Well, Genevieve, I feel like we'd be good with her feet.

But anyway, it's like if you're doing this challenge

and it's something BS, I don't know.

That's like a challenge win, win, win almost every time.

So, I can chance this.

Second chance.

If sorry, I had to do that.

Steven Fishback just goes around correcting people

with that nowadays.

But my point is, I don't, I feel like you're keeping

people around, but the way that they're going to get eliminated

down the line is going to be unsatisfying.

And I think if two tribes just lose,

I'm not as dissatisfied.

So that's what my concern is.

And we'll see what ultimately ends up happening

as we go through.

But let's go over to this seal of tribe.

Because this one is probably the one we heard the least from.

We had Charlie.

I want to talk about the format of this

because I think like we're not, we haven't lost it yet.

Like there's hope here.

Like if, look, we had the tribe swap this week.

The tribe swap is a lot to cover.

You have a lot of new relationships.

Maybe you don't have time to do two tribes in an episode

that has a tribe swap.

Again, 21 people.

I mean, a lot of people have prior relationships.

We saw the David Vs. Clive.

People got together.

We have, you know, I guess Mike White and Ozzy,

they went, you know, like Mike goes to Ozzy's restaurant.

Like there is a lot to unpack and explain to the audience

with a tribe swap, especially with that many people.

So I don't want to sit here and be like,

no, if survivor ruined it, they dropped the ball.

We need to start getting double boots now.

I think there's a world we're next week.

We do an immunity challenge to two tribes that lose

and we get a double tribal

and we're like pretty much back on track.

And I think that's like, you don't want to do it right

at the start because you're right.

You need these big characters to last long enough

to get to know them and get to see them again.

Like you have people on your screen.

You haven't seen it a while.

You don't want them to go home early.

You don't want to like rip off five boots in two episodes.

But I think doing it pre-merge is better

than doing it post-merge.

So like we are hitting that time

where like we need to get there.

So let's give it another week.

I would understand that the tribe swap

might have prevented that from doing that.

Okay, now to the other tribe.

Well, and the last thing I'll say about that

is I thought that next week would be the week

and then all of a sudden, like I said,

they're showing reward challenge.

I'm like reward challenge.

We don't have time for a reward immunity and two tribes.

Like we have time for a reward immunity and a tribal.

I don't think they have time for two tribes,

especially if you're bringing Zach Brown out

to play as a diddy.

Like I don't know if we have time there.

I could see reward, especially if you get to it early,

we do have 90 minute episodes here.

So I think if you get to the reward challenge early,

immunity then earlier and then you have two tribes,

I think that's not crazy.

Yeah.

Okay, other tribe, let's go to the,

let's go to the seal of tribes.

So this is Charlie Devins Surrey, Camilla D.

Rizgod and Jonathan.

This was a weird, like the dynamic here was D saying,

you gotta get rid of Surrey.

One of my best friends told me to get rid of Surrey.

If you don't get rid of Surrey, you're gonna regret it.

And then her and Jonathan are having the conversation

and she says to Jonathan, you know,

I don't wanna look back and wouldn't it suck to be blindsided?

I don't know if this is a foreshadow or what?

But it wouldn't it suck to be blindsided

and say, oh, we should have just gotten rid of her.

And Jonathan's just like, I'm good with whatever.

Let's do it.

But I didn't know if that was a foreshadow

because he hasn't said much on this season.

And then we have Rizzo going and trying to bond with Charlie,

but we have this whole Maria Charlie storyline

that came up big time here.

What is happening on this tribe

and how much of this last night flashback of Rizzo saying,

I didn't vote for my number one

and then Charlie saying, I wanna get this guy out of here.

What is what?

I mean, I get it from Charlie, like I'm not confused.

I think the difficult here is that Charlie hasn't seen the season

and neither is Rizzo.

Like Rizzo's played the season, he hasn't seen the season.

So like, that's definitely not at all a part of the story

that like Rizzo and Sophie were number ones

and Rizzo voted for Savannah to win.

Like they pleased no role in the story of Survivor 49.

And he knows that probably, but like,

I kinda get what Charlie's saying.

Again, this is a completely incorrect read of what happened.

But for Charlie to just be like, wow, you voted

for the person you thought played the better game than the friend.

But like, I don't know, maybe Charlie shouldn't be that bad

because like, I think Charlie can confidently still say,

like I played a better game than Kenzie strategically.

Like I played the votes and the advantages

and the game of Survivor other than just like being liked.

And again, I guess that's part of the game.

But the things he could control,

more of the strategic elements,

no one argued that Kenzie played that better.

People argued that Kenzie was more likable

and could sway more jury votes and she's more social.

And like, that's how she wants.

Survivor's a social game with the end of the day.

And so I think, yeah, I mean, he clearly is,

all we know is that he's going through something.

And he even says like, I got baggage.

I brought my baggage here on season 50

and it is going to influence the way he's going to play.

Like he might come after Rizzo.

I don't know, I kind of see this as a

funnier scene of like evil Charlie coming out

after Rizzo who's like this goofy guy

calls himself R-I-Z-G-O-D.

I'm getting vibes that this tribe

might not go to tribal council.

I think that's kind of where I'm sitting with it.

And we're going to get some fun stuff here.

But I don't know, like if they had to vote,

it seems like it's a reason trouble.

But again, like you said,

that could have been foreshadowing

where maybe this tribe does not lose.

And then D is later blindsided by Cerey

or Jonathan, perhaps.

Yeah, I mean, perhaps.

And I think that the Charlie story line

was just weird for me because Rizzo and Savannah

went into the season not wanting to let people know

how close they were.

And so I think Rizzo is trying to keep that lie going

because now he's on a tribe with people

who had just been on with Savannah and he knows Savannah's gone.

So he's assuming that's what Savannah told them.

So then he's going along and saying the same thing.

But for Charlie to react so strongly to this was weird.

I agree with you.

Maybe this is a tribe that doesn't go.

We get Camilla being really excited about the way

that this all shook out.

We have Cerey and Devon's essentially saying to each other,

like, I don't want to let people know how close we are.

But we are super close.

But then this was the only tribe, too,

that nobody's really talking about Billie Eilish boomerang idols.

Because it came up on the Aubrey tribe.

It's about to come up big time when we talk about the third tribe.

But I mean, we know Devon's in Cerey

both know about Billie Eilish boomerang idols.

But they're not showing anybody really discuss it.

And so that's where I just feel like the story on this tribe

didn't fit with what was going on in the other two tribes,

which maybe goes back to your point of,

they're trying to remind us that this tribe is here,

but this tribe's really not going to be going anywhere anytime soon.

Well, especially you have Jonathan Camilla.

So you have the best physical challenge player

and probably the best puzzle challenge player.

Like, Christian, I love you, man.

But I think Camilla's like got you beat in the puzzles,

or at least a lot.

Like, I know Christians got the slide puzzle algorithms

going with robotics.

But in terms of like just getting a clean read

on how to put together a survivor puzzle,

I think Camilla takes that one.

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Cody Braim in the visceral hatred of Rizzo's comment

from Charlie vs. TV Gold,

I felt so much for Charlie in that moment.

I'm team Charlie now.

Again, I like that we're seeing Charlie angry

and like clearly he was triggered by this

in like a very real way.

And I find that interesting.

I'm a fan of Charlie,

but I'm also a fan of Rizgods.

And I mean, just watching this scene play out,

I don't like my first instinct and thought

was like this is just kind of completely unfathened.

Like this is like not,

it's just not what happened on 49.

And like you said Phil,

which I didn't even know about,

is that Savannah and Rizzo agreed to tell people

that they were not close as to protect themselves

and not be seen as a duo

if they were to get swapped or merged together.

Obviously Savannah's gone,

but you brought up a good point.

Savannah's already told people that her and Rizzo

weren't close.

If Rizzo's like actually means Savannah were close,

then it's going to be like people are going to be like,

huh, why is you guys had like a secret plot or plan?

So I get why he's rolling with this.

It's just this like really odd thing

that Charlie picked up on.

That just kind of seems to come out of nowhere.

So yeah.

And we'll see how this this dynamic goes

and we'll get into this tribe a little bit more

as we continue going on.

Getting a super chat.

I updated my profile,

pick, hoping my dream comes true,

being a guest on the specialist.

Also seeing as blinds are me with how good it is.

Yeah, it has been, it has been good.

I know I complained.

I like this episode.

I know you just want to hate on it for the rap itself.

I don't hate on it.

I thought this was still, you know, maybe, maybe the last,

I think the first two episodes might be better,

but like there's still was a very, very fun episode of Survivor.

Like I love just the tribe so I can

seeing different players from different seasons

interact with each other.

Like I had a ton of fun.

Yeah, I'm enjoying this a lot.

I think the tribe stop actually worked out

and gave us some drama.

I just, I look, I have to, I know that the community's

going to complain about it.

There's people over there who aren't complaining about it.

I'm telling you, you're in the minority

if you're not complaining about it.

And I just know that that's going to be comments

and people are going to be talking about it.

Look, RHAP tweeted, and I know it's Don Lennon

who's doing most of it, but RHAP tweeted

is this the best musical moment in the history of the show.

The comments on that tweet are just unbelievable.

Like, like, it's amazing how mad people are at this.

So I'm just going to dress the elephant in the room.

And you know what, we talk about all the time.

If you want Jeff to stop doing stupid stuff,

you kind of have to call him on it.

And he thought the hourglass twist was good enough idea

to do it twice.

So I understand this isn't at that level,

but it's, it's just make, I hate that he's claiming

that this is what makes survivor a family game.

Because to me, what makes survivor a family game?

When did he claim that?

Did he claim that anywhere?

He is now claiming that he is very proud.

This is like some of his stuff in his preseason 50 press

and the content he's been doing since

all these, all these conversations.

And I know that he's doing it for press,

but hey, if it's what he's saying,

I got to call him on it.

He's been saying pretty much nonstop

that he's really proud that he has recently turned

survivor into a family show.

Right, but he's not pointing at the song here.

No, but it's this kind of stuff

that makes him feel like he's making it a family show.

It's the cheesiness that most of the fan base isn't wanting.

So anyway, let's move on to the third try.

Emily Flippin just dropped a nuke here.

Like what is Emily Flippin doing in this episode?

This was so fun.

And I think this is why I wanted to save this one for the end

because I loved watching this.

But then every moment, I was like, what is your plan here?

What are you doing?

So to set this up, Christian and Devons

at the beginning of the episode,

they say, hey, we did this.

We know that the idols in Aubrey's hands,

let's go tell Surrey and let's tell Emily.

So they tell Surrey, they make it so that Devons

came up with the idea.

Christian does a really good job of pushing it off

and we'll talk about Christian here.

Like there's a really good job of pushing it off on Devons.

It would make sense.

Devons is played with Aubrey

so he gives the idol to Aubrey.

So he eats it up.

Surrey is all excited about it.

They don't get a chance to tell Emily.

So on the mat, Christian says to Emily,

hey, we gave Aubrey an idol.

I'm sorry, I don't have time to tell you more,

but like I get and she's like, what?

What's going on?

So then they get to the camp and Emily just goes on.

Like she told everybody every bit of information

that has ever been heard in her life.

What was going on and how did Emily

kind of come out of this?

Fine, not just fine, but nobody ever said,

we should vote for Emily.

She's too chaotic.

I don't even know if people talked about how chaotic she was.

She ended up in the middle.

She was the swing vote.

Her and Ozzy were the swing vote.

They were.

I think they said more war maybe.

Yes.

Emily is with either Christian or Ozzy

going into the next episode.

I already sort of mentioned this,

but I think the craziest part of all of this

was like you got swapped onto the tribe with Christian.

So like you could have hashed out with him before

and like you've got two Tribals together and survived

and voted together with Christian.

Like I think you got to go to Christian first.

I'm like, yo, what the, and I look,

I'm going to be on Emily side of like I would be confused

and maybe a little bit pissed or a little bit like

why was it I brought into the loop earlier?

And I get it's like, oh, we tried to tell you,

okay, not hard enough, not soon enough.

Like at some point you knew this,

like why didn't you, why are you telling me now?

And like on the mat and front of everybody,

now I've got to process this.

I got to go meet new people and like think about alliance.

Like why are you throwing this at me?

And I would be kind of pissed at Christian too

and be like, Christian, what the hell?

I think it honestly, it would be better

if Christian hadn't told Emily.

I think the downside of her not knowing

about Aubrey's idol is like fine.

Like what's going to happen?

Look, they don't work together.

She votes Aubrey out.

Christian, you get an idol.

Like I don't know why it was so paramount to tell Emily

and it might have been risky telling Emily there.

But back to Emily, I think to talk to Q and Aussie immediately

when you're on a tribe with Christian

without kind of clearing the air,

I thought was pretty insane.

But that's how Emily plays.

I mean, she's spelled the beans

and then she goes right back

to the David versus Goliath people

and ends up just, you know what?

I love you guys.

This, I actually said this, my bad.

They know everything.

But before, like, I don't know what else to say.

I don't know what else.

Well, they're like, inside I have into Emily's antics here,

but can we go back to this plan from Christian

to Devons being like, you should say, you found it.

So I think there might be holes in this.

Like I think this, probably not likely,

but like there is definitely a world

in which Devons says, okay, or Christian tells Devons,

like, okay, here's the plan.

We're gonna tell Cereen Emily,

but we're gonna tell them that you found it

and that you gave it to Aubrey

because that, you know, makes sense.

You guys play together all that.

I think there's a world in which like,

Aubrey gets voted out on one tribe,

but just, it doesn't matter really who's where.

Aubrey gets voted out.

Cereen Devons are sitting on the bottom.

And Cereen's like, all right, Devons,

at least you got that idol back.

Like, that's how the idol,

that's the Billy Eilish Outer, right?

It boom rings back and then they go,

well, about that, it was actually Christians.

I just didn't know that there was a need to make,

especially with the mechanic of this specific idol,

the person who gifted it is so paramount to how it works.

Why are you lying about this?

I think it might set you up for a trap later

that you can't get out of.

So here's what I think.

I think Devons made a huge mistake here.

I think Christian played it perfectly.

Christian ends up not looking bad, right?

Christian even says, now I'm not the idol guy.

I'm not threatening in that way.

Devons is already known as the idol guy.

So let's see, Devons is the guy who could potentially

go find the idol.

Devons has a relationship with Aubrey.

Now nobody knows that I have a potential relationship

with Aubrey, that I could do any of that.

And so I think Christian did a pretty good job.

I think that Devons might have caved a little too easily here.

Might have given him a little too much

because I do agree with you.

It could come back to bite Devons in that way,

but it also just puts a bigger target on Devons back.

Like if you're Surrey, you know, Surrey

is the right person to tell about this

because Surrey has played with Aubrey.

Did make it very far in the game with Aubrey

on game changers.

So Surrey is probably pumped about this

because she's saying, oh great,

we'll be able to bring Aubrey in.

I've already gone to Final Six with Aubrey.

Like that sounds awesome.

But at the same time, if your Devons,

people are now going to perk their ears up and go,

oh man, Devons is back to his old ways.

He's finding idols.

He's going to try to build bridges across tribal lines.

What should I trust and what should I knock?

Because he never really had a great alliance on his season.

It just didn't happen for him.

So I feel like this worked out really well for Christian.

It didn't work out as well for Devons.

And Jonathan Looney wants to know

did we'll just discover the word Paramount.

Paramount Plus has got me.

Yeah, Paramount Plus, baby.

But that's how I take this entire scenario.

Now, if they pitch the same thing to Emily,

I don't know if Emily reacts as positively as Surrey did

because Emily, there's Emily, no Aubrey, I don't know.

Well, and maybe someone can correct me in the chat,

like they're correct, you might use Paramount,

but did they tell Surrey

fully how the idol works again?

That was a lot of talk about how the Billie Eilish

boomerang idol works.

Some people were told that it boomerang's back.

Some people were just saying it's a gifted idol.

And so I wonder, were they telling Emily and Surrey,

I know they weren't able to tell Emily.

She found out eventually.

Was the goal for them to be like bring Aubrey in

and work with her because she has an idol

or was it like get Aubrey out of there?

So we get the idol back.

I think it was the form.

I think it was we want to work with Aubrey

is what it seemed like, but I don't know if that was super clear.

Again, that's been the story of these Billie Eilish

boomerang idols all season where it's like,

did this person give it to this person to work with them

or are they trying to trap them and get it later?

Is it a little bit of both?

Like I'm still like, I think maybe that's the one thing

and I like the mechanic.

I like the idea, but I wish it was a little more like

I know it's sabotage or I know it's a bridge or a connection.

Like we know the Aussie want to sabotage.

We know that it's meant to be sabotage.

Now Rizzo is not telling Charlie it's meant to be sabotage

but Rizzo told Charlie every single thing about that idol

explained it exactly how it works.

I don't know if that's what happened with Surrey.

Yeah, and I mean, that's the thing

what I'm saying about the word getting out

and maybe not having two of these might have been too much

because yeah, Rizzo is talking to Charlie

who's on the same tribe with Surrey

who's on the same tribe with Devon.

So it's like, we know four of the seven people in that tribe

know about the workings of this Billie Eilish idol

even though that tribe has none of them there currently.

Yeah.

And then I just want to bring this up real quick

because I've seen this comment a few times.

I'm going to call you out to Ergenstein.

Sorry, it's happening.

Where is this?

Because it's in relation to how the tribe swap

ended up breaking out.

Seriously, DVG plus Emily owned the same tribe

after a swap with 21 people rigged.

If survivor was rigged,

Q would not be walking off that island tonight.

If survivor was rigged, the best narrator on the season

out of all 24, the best narrator on the season

would not be walking off the island tonight.

So I don't want to hear it.

The tribe swap broke out the way the tribe swap broke out.

There is no way that Jeff is happy to see Q

walking off that island tonight.

He's the best confessional giver out there.

He's pure gold the entire time to save Angelina

who they're editing out all of her good stuff.

Wouldn't that anything?

Give me a break.

Give me a break.

Cancel everything you got, Ergenstein.

Cancel it.

So anyway.

Yeah, I'm looking up the odds right now.

Just for the day of Rose Kalyas Park.

So like tacking on Emily is like,

you could have picked any,

like you could have thrown in devins instead of out.

Like just because Christian had made good connections

with people, you're just increasing your luck

of ending up with, you know, alliance members.

Okay, but you move on.

I'm gonna calculate this real quick.

All right, you go calculate it.

I just wanted to bring that one up.

The other thing that was crazy about Emily here,

going back to how insane Emily played this.

When Emily gets there instead of going to Christian,

I don't think she not go to him, she goes to Q

and just spills everything to Q.

And I have to say, I know Q just got

21st placed on this season.

I don't know what more Q could have done.

I thought Q did a great job of pitching his case

and of just like making the arguments that he could make.

And I know he ultimately says to Mike White,

vote for me, he's trying to protect Stephanie

and Mike White did a great job of playing dumb.

Because that's what Mike White does.

Mike White did the same thing on Davis Goliath.

It's like, I don't know.

I don't know what's happening.

He was impactful on a lot of votes and he duped Q.

But Q, Q was doing that to try to save his ally.

Because he knew that there were going to be multiple votes

going to step if that was in fact the plan.

I'm just saying I feel like, no, I think it makes sense

because you don't want step to go.

So your thinking is I have Ozzy and I have Emily.

Emily spilled so much to Q.

If you're Q, why would you not trust her?

Especially because you know that Ozzy has an idol.

Maybe he doesn't know that Ozzy has an idol.

But Ozzy knows he has an idol.

So he's probably even trusted Emily more.

That probably made their bond stronger.

I just feel like Q can't know all the information we know.

And with how much Emily spilled to him,

he has to be assuming that Emily is not with Christian.

Because why would you be saying all of this to him?

And it's too scatterbrained to even make sense.

So you think you have Steph, you think you have him,

or you think you have Emily.

You also think that you have Ozzy

because you did spend an entire night with him

on Exile Island.

And you guys were probably just bitching about coach.

You think you have three votes.

You think the other three are gonna vote for Steph.

You say no vote for me.

It's a three to one.

He's safe.

It makes sense.

He has no vote.

He can't do anything about it.

I'm like dumbfounded that you're even like

and I'm explaining this as like, look, okay.

Yes, you're right.

It works if Mike White goes through with it.

But it's not like Mike, you're not talking

to just like some random person off the street.

You're talking to a survivor fan and survivor player.

Very good survivor player who made it to the finals

and probably should have won his season

if he wanted to win.

Like, and let alone, you don't even need

to be that good survivor, understand?

Okay, if I'm an alliance of three

on a seven person tribe and we're all voting one way

and I throw my one vote away,

that's gonna give away the majority.

Like Mike White knows this that if they don't vote together

that their votes lose power, that's how survivor works.

That's how majorities work.

He's trying to get a plurality.

Yeah, just throw a vote away.

That would be like in blood-versed water

and they're about to go to rocks.

But like, you know what?

Just vote for me instead.

It's like, no, then I'm going to lose a player.

Like, I don't understand how this is like an actual

strategic plan.

Because it did feel like Mike White's whole pitch was,

I don't actually want to vote any of you out.

So I'm just going to vote randomly.

And Q, didn't know Gavin Whitsim was on edge of extinction

with Rick Devins because Gavin Whitsim put out a tweet

about Devins and how he can't handle Devins

because Devins is a bad person not realizing

that Devins and Gavin are best friends

and go to like Universal Hallway and Horror Nights

every single year together.

Q doesn't know what Mike White's game is.

With the information that Q has,

Mike White is throwing away a vote.

For Q to assume that Mike White doesn't understand

what to throw away vote in that he would actually consider this.

Like, he knows that if like he doesn't write,

if they're let's say the plan is to write Stephanie

and that they're able to get Emily or they think they've

had four votes on Stephanie or some combination

that's going to get rid of Stephanie.

And she's like, well, yeah, throw a vote towards me.

And it's like, well, yeah, then Angelina's going home.

Like that's the person you're voting with

and in an alliance with.

So like it never felt like that was an actual plan

that was ever going to like come to fruition.

And I hope there's no one say, okay, well,

Q's wanted to be voted out, now he's out.

Like the target was already on Q well before,

at least that's the way the show edited.

Like, Q was already on Mike's radar

as someone he wanted to target.

He had already put the hit out on Q.

So Q then asking him later, just throw a vote at me.

I think that's more the irony and the quincens

that we're supposed to enjoy.

And not really take this as a serious strategic plan.

Well, but my other thing, and yes, it's the irony and all that.

What is Q's play that's so much better than this?

Because I feel like Q did everything he could

to try to keep himself and Stephanie safe

because he had no vote.

And I feel like he did, this is the best thing

he could try to do while also threatening

as St. Clipo said that I have an extra vote.

And I'm going to do this.

Now, the extra vote thing is it going to work?

No, but at the same time, it's like, what else could he do

without pointing so hard?

I don't know what else he could have done.

Like, again, I don't know where he really went wrong

other than his past season, it feels like it.

Maybe he was being a little bit too forceful,

especially not having a vote if Q comes into this swap

and just like, I think when you swap,

like after watching this episode,

the best thing to do is lay low.

Like you got six other people on your tribe,

all returning players, a lot of relationships,

a lot of people need to chat.

I think you sit in the hammock, let people come up to you,

don't start dictating plans, don't start spilling secrets,

like don't give anyone a reason for your name to get heat.

And I think Q is being pretty, this is the Alliance,

this is what we got.

And we even heard Emily say,

you know what, the way Q talks, it's like,

that's Q's game, that's not Emily's game.

Like, Emily wants to make the decision here.

And that's why she was a little bit bummed with Christian.

And like, that's why she spilled Christian secrets.

It was like, Christian just blabbers this to me.

Last second, like, I want it.

Like, why can't we have a conversation about this?

Why can't I decide how we play this game?

Instead of just being told information,

being told what to do, told how to vote.

And what does vote for me really came down to.

And this is why I thought Q was going home,

headed in a tribal council.

It felt like Emily and Angelina really clicked.

It just felt like a genuine connection.

And I'm not going to fault Q,

because like, Q, you should have clicked with Emily.

I mean, maybe they didn't click.

Like, that's survivor.

That's how it goes.

Emily, in forever reason, Emily and Angelina

really hit it off.

And I do truly believe Ozzy wanted to keep Q.

But I think Emily said, you know what?

I'm not changing my vote.

I'm sorry.

Ozzy, if you want to vote out, Angelina with Stephanie,

go ahead.

And this can be a four to vote or a five to vote

or maybe a four to three at that point, if they knew,

if they didn't know that Q had lost a vote.

I think that was the maneuver.

I'm not sure if we want to blame or put any blame

on Q making up that he had an extra vote.

I think at that point, that was Q trying to maybe

put the pieces back together.

Again, good attempt.

I think people would buy it.

He was on exile.

It could make sense.

But I really just think this was Emily and Angelina.

Maybe we got to give credit to Angelina

for winning Emily over.

I think we do.

Because she saved herself here a little bit.

And I'm going to be honest, I think this is a bad move.

For Emily, for Emily, I think it's a bad move.

Because if the David versus Goliath three do stick together,

Q was 100% right that if they stick together,

like you guys are done.

That's why he was worried about Steph going home.

He didn't want that to happen.

Now, Emily might feel like I have a great relationship

here with Angelina.

But if you get down to four on that tribe,

are Mike White and Christian

and be willing to go to rocks for you, Emily, I doubt it.

So I just feel like you're giving the power

to the David versus Goliaths here.

Maybe her relationship with Christian

is better than we're being led to believe.

And maybe she feels like her Christian,

Ozzy and Stephanie can work together.

But if the David versus Goliath groups

are going to work together, does she really that confident

that she repaired the damage with Christian

after she blew up his biggest secret in the game?

Immediately upon entering that beach

and then she goes and apologizes to him.

But even if Christian and her know each other outside

of the game, if you and I had that situation,

I might be like, Will, no matter what your pitch is here,

I don't know if I can trust you again

until this game is over.

Because that's a really, really aggressive move.

So she's almost banking on the fact

that she does have a better relationship

with Angelina and Christian that maybe Mike doesn't.

I just don't think she does.

They went to final seven or whatever it was together.

Mike and Angelina were sitting in final three to get.

Yeah, no, I've been saying that kind of the first two episodes,

why are you not splitting up the pair of Serene, Ozzy?

Like when you see a clear pair or trio

that feel like they're going to vote together

and you have the votes to break that up,

I think you should take it.

Not to mention challenge performance.

Like I think Ozzy was like, look, can we get rid of Angelina

and keep cute so that we don't even have to go to tribal again?

Because now you've given the David Vs. Goliaths three

out of the remaining six people on this tribe.

So now it's like, that's it.

I guess Stephanie is now firmly at the bottom

because Ozzy did vote you out.

Ozzy didn't want to, Emily just wouldn't budge.

But I don't, yeah, I don't think this was

necessarily the right move for Emily.

Like I think she just feels good about Christian,

their friends.

Had a good chat with Angelina over the course of two days

or something like really felt connected there.

I don't know really her relationship with Mike.

I mean, it seems like maybe she's just like

the fourth David Vs. Goliath, if you want to.

I mean, maybe that's the thinking Bill.

Like, especially if they are positing like we are

that at some point there's got to be double boots.

At some point we're going there.

Like we might go to back-to-back Tribals.

We might go to Tribal Council a few more times.

Like if I can just hop in with the David Vs. Goliaths,

we have four.

We can then vote, you know, we'll take out Q,

then we'll take out Steph, then we'll take out Ozzy.

And there we go.

There's three eliminations right there.

That should last until merge.

Maybe not enough.

And if there are double boots coming up,

this try probably loses multiple times.

Ozzy hasn't won a challenge yet this season, which is crazy.

And yeah, Steph would go, but then Ozzy has an idol.

And I know Emily doesn't know about that idol,

or at least I don't think she knows about that idol.

But Ozzy goes and he plays that idol.

He probably doesn't use it to get rid of Emily.

But I just think Emily, I don't know, maybe she does.

Maybe she does and I just feel like Emily's in a bad.

I can't say it's a bad position

because there is a chance that Ozzy and Steph are now like,

hey, we want to go this way.

Christian, you have to break that up.

We're not giving you a three to advantage over there.

But I don't know, and Angelina, I will give props to

because she did do a great job here.

And this was this was maybe some of her best relationship

building in the history of the show

because she got zero votes when she made the final first time.

But for Emily, my concern with this Angelina of it all

is just simply that you're banking on a relationship

that you've built in this short time.

Being stronger than Mike White had Angelina have a speaking part

on season two of the white load.

We saw it.

We saw it tonight.

I know that was that was the budget everybody.

Next week, they're they're not I doubt they paid for that.

I bet Mike White can get that for them.

I bet you Mike White did everyone was saying,

oh, they had to pay Warner Brothers.

It's like Mike White can call anyone to be like,

look, a month survivor, give him some footage.

Give him the thing.

It's a clip of her like it's going to be fine.

And so you have Angelina sitting there with Mike White.

Angelina and Christian are very close.

Like Christian was in season three.

Yeah, exactly.

So I just feel like it's I can't call it a terrible move

from Emily because Emily's not the next boot there.

But I do worry that she just gave too much power

to the day versus collieth people.

That's my biggest concern is that she just gave too much

power to the staff is done if they go to travel counts.

But I could bad.

No, I could be just more of like a just like a haven.

Like you're you're you're killing you know you can hang

with them until the merge hopefully.

Like if your tribe gets down to four,

then you're probably in trouble.

But like do you really think you're going to get down

to four with that tribe before another swap?

Here's another question for you.

If it's going to be a five one pile on on step,

do you think there's any shot Ozzy would play the idle four

step to not allow it to be a three to two advantage

for the David versus collieths to protect staff

and try to keep that or you think he doesn't care.

I'll just play it next time.

I you let staff go.

You hope you don't lose if you lose.

You played on yourself and then you're surviving farther

because if you played on staff and send out a dvg,

Emily's still there.

Like I said, basically four of them.

And then there's three versus two the next time.

And so you're and then you've played an idle successfully.

Now you're a bigger jury threat.

Now maybe target you.

So I think you last longer keeping it a secret

and letting staff go then play on yourself the next time.

The math on and you can only play it for yourself.

The chat corrected me immediately.

The boomerang idle can only be true too.

I'm thinking I think it's like, I think it's weird.

Like I get not giving it away because that can like

convolut the mechanics and workings of it

but like playing it on somebody else.

I don't know why I get I don't know why that's in the,

in the rules.

The math on three people land,

specific three people landing on the same tribe

is seven point eight nine percent.

That's actually not that crazy though.

Yeah, eight percent.

That's not that crazy.

One in 11, one in 12 times.

Yeah, I mean, that's not that.

The odds of the entire Lesu five staying together

on a three tribe swap is a lot higher.

Yeah.

Or you know, five of the six or whatever it was.

Like all of one of three tribes being Lesu

as we saw on edge of extinction,

word-ogged of the math there.

You know, Tergingstein wants to know plus Emily.

This is a, but again, like Emily, you could say Emily,

but they had other alliance members.

They, they, they, they, they're devins in there.

You chose to re in there.

Like, and then I'm sure Mike and Angelina

had their number ones that we might have seen.

Like they're, I think it's, those three are objected

from the seas, same seas.

At that point, you just, you're just making alliances.

You're just increasing your, the, and again,

pre-gaming everyone could have done.

So it's like not that, not that crazy either.

Like everyone has relationships.

So this is a comment and we're not anywhere near wrapping this up.

But I just want to throw this one up

because this is a super chat from a long time ago

from somebody who doesn't normally super chat.

So I want to make sure we get to it.

But it's one that made more sense

after we talked about all the tribes.

Eric Krun asked, what are your best,

slash worst case scenario winner for the season

based off what we've seen so far?

Appreciate all you guys do for the community.

Best case scenario based on what we've seen so far.

And then what's your worst case scenario?

Coach, still the best, right?

I think there's a lot of, there's a lot of good scenarios

for win, wins right now.

Like Christian, everyone is saying he's like in front right now.

It's his game to lose.

I think I saw in the chat.

It's because he's getting screen time.

Yeah, I think he's a great character.

So like he's going to get that content anyway.

Genevieve winning would love to see it.

I don't care if she's new air.

I'm rooting for Genevieve too.

So Reed might get her first survivor win.

I mean, there's a lot of good outcomes here.

The worst case, who's like the worst case scenario?

It's still Tiffany.

Like nothing has changed for me

from the start of the season to now.

Good job.

Like, okay, here's the worst case.

Like honor and integrity alliance, group up,

don't lie or ever, never deceive, never play the game.

The gonging post marriage, we merge it like 14,

but there's an eight person honesty and loyalty.

And then they run through it.

We get five boring votes.

And then the core four of that,

then the gong, the rest of the four

from their own alliance into fire making

and we get like a Joe, I never lied.

That's the worst.

There's the worst case, right?

No, it's okay.

You know why it's okay?

Because the core four of that alliance

would be Colby, Coach, Joe, and probably.

Genevieve.

Genevieve.

Yeah.

Genevieve is in there.

No, but if it's like.

That's the group of four.

I will watch that.

And if Joe wins, it sucks because.

Yeah, I don't want Joe, but I'm okay with that being it

because I'm playing favorites.

It's Chrissy.

Tiffany Camilla Joe as like the four.

Yeah, I just don't, I don't see

how Tiffany Camilla would play that game.

But you don't know what school vibes are kicking around

this season.

We do.

And my thing is pretty much where the season started

to where I am now.

I am still rooting for the same people.

Like nothing has changed.

Nobody has dropped off for me.

Angelina had a bad second episode.

She was kind of invisible here,

but then I appreciated what she did with Emily.

I'm really enjoying Emily.

Like the people that I was rooting for before the season

began Colby Devins.

That's still where my head is at.

Like Christian, I think is having a great showing so far.

So re obviously is having a very good showing

in terms of like who would be worst case scenarios for me.

It's not even like worst case scenarios.

Just like, I don't know Tiffany.

I don't think Charlie winning would be great right now.

Like, and this isn't like, oh, I just like these people

that should be off.

I just right now they've done nothing to grow

in my estimation.

This is Alicia the winning All Stars.

Like, no, like I don't know you enough.

Nothing has changed.

Like Amber winning All Stars was a bad case scenario.

If you were asking people after the third episode,

most people would have been like, hell no, it can't be Amber.

Now some people argue that Amber and Rob is great.

Oh, it is great.

It's an incredible ending to that season.

And that's what I'm saying.

Like we could get, I mean, maybe we get an incredible ending

to this season from somebody we're not looking at.

But right now, especially again,

that 20 people left still.

It's like, we are starting the season.

Yeah, it's fine.

Like, yeah, there's so many ways this can go.

I think that's a good point Bill.

Like, oh, what if we see a Tiffany win?

Like, what if she kicks ass and plays an incredible game

and we're rooting for Tiffany at the end?