Survivor Rewind | Survivor 50 Episode 2 Discussion

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Survivor Specialist John and McKenna are back to rewind the second episode of Survivor 50.

This is going to be a great show. We got some outwit outplay and out last moments that relate to

this episode of Survivor 50, but in the past. Yeah, this episode had a bunch for us to talk about,

but also not a lot either. Like when the opening scene is someone

soiling themselves. Wow, you said that the nicest way possible we get.

Well, it's not the opening scene because Kyle is mad about it and all that. But like the real

opening. So yeah, there was a lot to dive into. A hundred percent like the water,

unless you're coach, because then you get like grips. Yeah, exactly.

This, honestly, I'm just a lot of zippy so far. It's so easy. I watched the premiere and then I watched

this week's episode twice all on Wednesday. So I watched a lot of Survivor 50 this week. Wow,

that's crazy. It is. I know. But I mean, McKenna, you know, everyone listing doesn't, but like,

because I have to watch the West Coast broadcast so we can plan this podcast every day. Yeah.

And then I have friends who like watching Survivor. So I'm like, yeah, I of course, I'll have

a watch party. So I have friends come over for the West Coast, Aaron. But because of that,

I get it really like digging to the episode a little bit more. I get to watch it a little bit more.

And it's so nice when Survivor makes references upon itself in a self-preferential itself,

because that's what we got. I was like, oh, he has gastrointestinal distress. And then

Christian comes into his confessional gastrointestinal distress. And I'm like, this is what I needed.

Yeah, it is. It's awesome. It's great. And like, I don't think anyone could ever make pooping

themselves on national TV, the most endearing thing in the world, the way that Christian Hubert

he can. That is true. Are you, are we planning on getting buffs for the season? I want the merge

one. I'm holding out for the merge. I haven't gotten any of the tribe ones. I was considering

getting the seal of buff. And then General Lewis was the first food. And I'm like, my heart just

isn't in the seal of tribe anymore. Yeah, I mean, I'm considering getting the boss to buff,

because Vatu is just such a wild tribe. But I think I'm going to now that we're getting into

tribe swap territory already. I think it's like a matter of seeing how these tribes shake up again.

I know the tribe divisions are already out there and everything. But figuring out how those dynamics

work, realistically, what's going to happen is I'm playing some fantasy games with my group of

friends that I watch with on Wednesday nights. So I'm probably just going to buy one of each buff

and they don't know this yet. So we'll find out who actually listens to the podcast.

I'm just going to get one of each buff and then just take whichever one's left over because I

don't really care which one I get because all these tribes are awesome. Yeah. All right, let's get

into our out with moment and we are going to talk diversions. We have one of the biggest

diversions in survivor with Christian falling over. So Devons can plant the idol at tribal council

and then get up and be like, oh man, oh, am I am I good? No, I'm good. All right. Thank you,

everybody. This was wow. Okay. And meanwhile Devons is just like sweet. Now we have some

insurance for going forward. And when Christian fell, I thought it was like a legit fall.

At first, I was like, oh, shoot. And then we see the cut to Devons planting. I was like,

oh, you mean it wasn't when Christian said I meant to do that because he legitimately

said that as he falls. Like he's fallen and he's like, oh, I was just too shocked at like

what was going on on my screen is really what was happening. I was like, I wasn't hearing anything.

I was like, oh my god. And then so I think what really caught me off guard most about it is that

the first time watching the episode, I did miss the very important line that Devons tells Christian

as they're cooking this plan to plant this secret fake idol at tribal council. Devons literally

instructs Christian if you could make a diversion. Yeah, exactly. And I missed that the first time.

So the first time I was also like very shocked by it. But the second time I was like, oh,

yeah, right. This is completely planted. Obviously, I knew that because I had seen how it all

played out previous. No, I definitely was like, oh, wait, I remember the the diversion aspect of

this whole plan. But at first, I was like, nobody falls at tribal council like that. The best thing

about this commitment is actually as they leave tribal council and he goes the wrong way and

series like no Christian, we have to go the other way. Like he committed so hard to being disoriented

after this fall. He might have just actually been disoriented. But like this isn't even the only

diversion we got this week because we also have a vague search, which let me tell you,

hearing Colby Donaldson say, in the real world, this is like the most despicable thing you can do.

But it's survivor, baby, you can just do what you want. Oh, be still. I knew exactly how

Phil was reacting in that moment. This is just like, yes, Colby is here to play and to see this

to have you just walk through this entire situation like it's a heist. And like raking down

everyone. It's so funny. And again, like, this is why it was just like such a phenomenal tribe

and I love them so much. But to have like you breaking it all down and being like, yeah, I'm the

lookout. But Colby's also a lookout. And we have Stephanie doing this distraction. And we just

hear Stephanie being like, I think I can just like drive my ass out here. Like, what? How is this?

A knuckleble conversation. I get it. Like topics can run. They don't survive a really five days

in at this point. I get it. Like, there's not much more to talk about. But like, this is a

knuckleble conversation for Genevieve to meticulously pull everything out of Aubrey's day. This was on top

of this. This was on top of this. This was on top of it. It's fantastic to see these type of

diversions. And there's something that you think we would have more in the survivor that like

prominent and come to your mind. Yeah, exactly. And well, I had one that came instantly to my mind

when we were like, all right, diversions. And that's JT and game changers. He gets everybody out

fishing. And then the spear breaks. And so he uses that. He's like, all right, great. I've found

my moment. I'll go and get the I'll go fix the the spearhead. I'll be right back. And then

uses that moment at camp to go quick search for the idol and then get back to the raft eventually.

But everyone was like, hmm, JT's been got a hot second here. I think this is one of those instances

where it happens right after the first swapping game changers, which is in the second episode

for everyone complaining about the third episode swap in 50 being too soon. Game changer swap

was in the second episode. Well, though it's still two boots in the first episode. And so

we have three. Yeah, there's three. There's a whole extra person gone. Yes, technically,

there are still more people than any season of survivor prior to this. But that's okay.

And JT gets kind of swapscrewed here. He's the odd man out of the industry. Yeah, I mean,

he's the only member of heaven. So it's five of them that's tried and is kind of panicking. And

takes everyone out to just like go out on the raft and like lounge in the day. And then he's like,

oh no, time to go back. And just goes idol hunting. And it's so funny because

this is the worst diversion I think we'd ever seen on survivor. It's so bad when Malcolm breaks

the spear a little bit and he's like, oh yeah, I'll go fix it. Yeah. Yeah, I'll look at the

pliers. It's great. But it's one of those things that this type of diversion, I think he's in

as good as what Christian indefinite did, right? It's not even as good as what like Stephanie

Loose doing on thought to because this is a diversion completely reliant on all of them continuing

to be distracted by something when you're not there to distract them. Right. Yeah, because this

was a solo diversion. It's really hard. It would have been really hard for JT to be able to pull

this off. It almost has to be like, you know, Earl taking everybody out to fish. And yeah, man,

just like digs and finds the idol that way. But in this episode of Game Changers, JT is like

waiting for his moment and waiting for the other people to create that moment. Yeah, it's

it's so risky, but I get where he's coming from. And the other thing is that it's just not enough

of a diversion to accomplish what he's looking to do. Because he's just trying, he has to find an

idol, but he has no idea where to look for that idol. Yeah. It's just it's such a lofty

decision and just like such a lofty goal that he's trying to accomplish with such little time.

So it's not a surprise. Of course, like, we don't have the exact timing and how long he was

gone or anything like that or why everyone was like, where is he so much or whatever or what's

going on. But I think even a few extra moments at this is too long. If this is just one that where

all it took was somebody looking back at the show and be like, why can't I see JT if he's just

going for these pliers? Yeah, this is strange. And then another really great diversion that we

were just like thinking, thinking, and then you just go, wait a second. And that is David versus

Goliath with Davey just being like out there, like twirling that bamboo around and just like

being Davey and Carl and Nick go and search for the idol because it was in like,

to steal from the merge or sorry, steal the vote because it was in eyesight to everybody else.

But Davey was just being that optical distraction for everybody. And that is just one of the most

hilarious distractions ever. And it works because they're looking over at Davey being like, what is

going on and can't stop watching? Yeah. And even when you look at because, okay, to refresh everyone's

minds, what's happening is at the merge, there was a clue that was just like this picture of a palm

tree. And they're looking for this palm tree and they find it, but a bunch of the Goliaths are

just like lounging on the beach fairly close to it. So they need to kind of divert their attention

from the fact that Nick and Carl are going to be climbing up into these rocks and looking for

for whatever this advantage is. And I think it's either Angelina or Cara who's just like, look at Davey.

And all Davey's doing is like standing by the water, twirling a stick around. And you, I know it's

probably edited like a little bit more, but I think this is just so funny because at this point in

the game, it's the merge of David versus Goliath. So what they're like two weeks into the game

at this point, people are probably getting a little bored. So just watching Davey,

twirlistic is maybe the most entertainment these people have had in the last 24 hours.

Just the thought of that of being like, yes, this shot of Davey is the moment that I've been craving

to entertain me is hilarious. But this is, I think this is so much closer to what we see from

Devon's encryption in this episode, right? It is, it's a coordinated diversion to distract.

With an optical diversion, not relying on someone else to do something or like

that you're surroundings to dictate when you're able to make the diversion.

Exactly. And I think this is an easier diversion to get away with because you're not doing

something right behind everyone's back and you're like a little bit further off.

You just have to strapping from the fact that you're like climbing on these rocks so people

be like, what are you doing climbing on those rocks? But what we do have here is Davey just

committing to the role, right? And I think that's what's so important about the comparison between

Davey and Christian. Christian probably also is like, oh man, Davey knows how to be good

distraction. So I know how to make a distraction now. I was just learning from watching this situation.

And it really does prove what you can accomplish in Survivor with collaboration. I think this really

does lean into the Alliance aspect of Survivor that we sometimes forget is like sometimes you do need

this misdirect, especially in the era of advantages to go find something. And I think we're lost in

the new era because we see so many people sharing that they have advantages with each other.

Yeah. And I mean, so sometimes you do need a friend to help you get an advantage and have

someone you trust because otherwise you can wind up like JT where it's like I have to wait

for a perfect moment. And that perfect moment may or may not come. Like if he just said like,

hey, Malcolm, bend the spear a little bit, I got something cooking at camp.

The problem with this, he was just so numbered, right? Yeah. Yeah. JT is almost more akin to

wet north trying to get the idol from under the shelter. Right? Except for the fact that if he does

actually take the initiative to get people away from camp. Right? Yeah. And isn't just waiting for

people to be away from camp because we've seen time and time again, right? We've seen it even in

the episode of Edge of Extension, we watched and we'll leave up to 50 with awkward, right? Like

there's almost always someone in camp. So waiting for that moment where there's no one in camp is

just it's just impossible. Right. So create the initiative JT takes to actually like encourage everyone

to go out onto the water is huge. Right. Yeah. And again, I think like when we look at the David

versus Goliath moment, what you have is someone just knowing I think Davey and it's been a while since

I've listened to the interview with Davey about the situation. But this is just Davey kind of

really leaning into who he is and like his experiences and really showing them on TV. So it's

giving this moment and he already kind of talked about from what I understand like this twirling

that he was doing. He kind of talked about on the beach prior to this moment. So people are already

like, oh my god, we finally get a seat. True, true, true. Going into outplay now, we are going to talk

communication challenges because I love them. I think we've had so many different versions of

communication challenges throughout survivor's history. We have a blind a blindfold situation

where it's either like going out in the field and grabbing something to come back. It's a blindfolded

puzzle. It's table maze. It's someone is strapped into a ball and trying to communicate something.

But now that we can reference the new era, it's great. We do see this puzzle in 49, but we also see

something kind of similar here in the 43 premiere where we have three options for table mazes,

where two people still have to do each table maze. And so you have to communicate which one do

you want to do you want to do? And then which two people are going on it? And then how do you guys

navigate this table maze while just knowing each other? And I like these challenges in survivor

because it provides that dynamic of, you know, SEALA when they were trying to talk to each other,

Aussie versus Christian, the bit of tension going on while they were trying to do the puzzle.

And so he's just like, what is going on here? Yeah, this, we saw this maze for puzzle or whatever

table challenge. Yeah, I was praising it then. I'll praise it again. I think this is one of the

coolest challenges that we've seen survivor in a while. New challenges. It's tricky. I like the

fundamentals of like the one person being the one to progress the ball towards the whole but having

to do it by pulling under and like doing the tension there. Well, two others like navigate it. And

I think it seemed to me this time. And maybe it's just because of like who was doing it as opposed

to who was doing it in 49. There was a lot more tension on like the rising of the ring around the

ball. Did you notice that this time where there's a lot of conversation about like, yeah, it's like,

oh well, we're too high. Like we can't be this high. I saw that conversation more. And these type of

communications in these tribes, this is a type of challenge that can lead to complete tribal dysfunction.

And it's really nice when we see a tribe pull this type of thing off or honestly, I think it's

also really nice when you see a tribe completely fail at this. Because it just leads to so much

drama and tension within the group. And when we look at that situation from 43, where it's like,

okay, you've completed this, choose your table maze. And there are the three different ones.

It was regular like regular maze that like shape one where it's like raised shapes that you

have to navigate around. And then the like really straight one where it's like the ball could fall

off at random time. Yeah. Yeah. And those are just, they're so stopperous that it goes into it.

But then there's also the communication of two people having to then navigate the maze at the same

time and coordinate. These are things we've seen a lot. Like we've seen a lot of these coordination

challenges over years. Blindfold challenges are a good example of them. We've seen a lot of table

mazes, right? Like we've evolved to the point where like sometimes we have two people doing the

table maze with both like all these and stuff. Right. Everything. But this like hold the table maze

properly up and down and move it back and forth is so fascinating because and how this new

portion of the challenge in 40 and 50 also replettes is it's at the end of a challenge. And it's

not like a whole challenge which makes it so much more like the adrenaline's going. And I think

that makes it so much harder to coordinate. And we even see Aussie in 50 really acknowledge the

fact that yeah, I was getting frustrated. And like I shouldn't have because it didn't help us at

all. But like this is what these type of moments can do to people. And you have to really pick the

right people to be in that position. Now I don't think they needed Christian in this moment

because it's not it's not a maze. It's not a putt. Well, it's amazing in a sense, but it's not a

puzzle. You don't really think anything through. I don't think Aussie was the right person either

because he is so hot headed when someone doesn't do something right. I think almost a Joe who's

very calm, cool and collected should have been in there. And Emily could have been good as well,

I think, or or devins. He's been really solid at those kind of dexterous challenges.

Because he got into with the game on a flat version of this.

I mean, it's different because there's a flat version that's also vertical.

Sorry, a vertical version of this. Yes, but like still it's like I don't think they were picking

their right people to work with Surrey on this. And that's something that really, really counts.

I mean, one of my favorite moments with this 43 premiere is I believe it's Jesse and Noel trying

to Titanic the table. No, we do this. You have to stand on the other side. But that was so funny

when they were trying to do this. Another one that we haven't seen since Samoa. It only has

happened twice. Panama and Samoa is when one person lays in a cradle and they have to maneuver

the ropes and pull them around to get numbered flags and stack them in a pole. And

to have that communication of where do we need to go to get the flag? How how do we need to pull

the person? Just the navigation of this rig is amazing itself. It is. And the fact that this deals

with like three axes and you're having to determine how to with this person up to get them up

to get the flag or move them left to right or back and forth. And also relying on them to tell you

where the correct flag is too. There's so much to do. Not to give them out because if you not one of

them out, then you have to go back and place it in the holder and have to start not over but start

over from that number. Yeah, this challenge is one that I would love to see again. It can't be that

complicated. I guess I don't know like the mechanics behind building this type of thing. So maybe

it is a little complicated. Maybe it's just a little unsafe. Maybe they don't want people hoisting

people up because we haven't seen that in a long time. Now that I think about it. But like any

challenge really always people up and they used to do them a lot. So maybe that's really good.

Some people up in like Millennials versus Gen X. That's what kind of that was 17 seasons ago.

I know. Yeah, it was a college for Millennials versus Gen X nine years ago.

So yeah, I'm married. All right. We're here. We're moving on.

Continue. But with this challenge, I'm kind of fascinated with only seeing it twice because I think

and what's more fascinating about it, we've only ever seen it in the postage.

Mm-hmm. It's always been like splitting it up into tribes of three or four or four or five

and doing it and not well, they have easy pre-merge numbers with the older seasons to be able

to do this. This would be an easy pre-merge challenge. I imagine part of the reason why we

haven't seen this is because it's not the most visually appealing or like there's an assumption

that's not the most visually appealing because I talked about this last week with like

question. It's hard to follow along. Hard to follow along.

But it does have the numerical flags, which is like, I agree, but it's hard to watch both

tribes competing at the same time. Right. And I think that's really what

survivor is trying to get away from. I think survivor really likes their wide shots.

You know, it's the it's the complaint we have about Big Brother. That's high, right? Where with

like Big Brother challenges, especially like HOH challenges, like live HOH challenges,

you sometimes miss the win because they just are adverse to having these wide shots.

First survivor really likes having the wide shots so you can compare how people are doing.

Yes, we get those zoom in shots. We see like the personal like the focus on like one person at

a time. But even if we look at the first challenge from this week episode with like the balance

themes and stuff, you could always tell where people were in relation to each other with those

despite the fact that we were focusing on one person because the shot was wide enough that you

could see both ends of the balance themes. True, true. And this challenge just doesn't

lend itself visually to that. Despite the fact that it's really fun. And again, leads to a lot of

tension because there's so much communication. That's the big emphasis that I think you and I really

want to make about these challenges. What makes them interesting is it's hard to cooperate with

people and you haven't eaten for six days. And also, I know there's pre-games and I know there's

you know, people know each other because of Rizzo's watched Colby. But at the same time, it's like

you don't really, really know them that well. And trying to deal with a communication challenge,

especially when you've lost a bunch of challenges and you don't know exactly where to put people,

who where strengths could be, how people work together that like that way in a team setting.

You know how the the tribe works together through an obstacle course. You just move through it.

But the fact that they have to now navigate this table maze as a trio. And it's a lot of talking

back and forth. You pull, I pull, wait, we're too high. And putting it at the start of a game is

really taxing, but it's almost the best place to put it because it'll be, it'll give the audience

the most drama. It's the coordination of it all. It's the having to figure out who has what strength,

who's a little bit stronger, right? And I think that's what we see in the 43 example with the table

maze is like sometimes, I don't know if you've ever experienced this mechanic, but if you try to

lift something up with someone at the same time, like, I don't know, see if you're like moving a

couch or something, right? One person tends to be lifting a little bit more than the other, right?

Yes. My black nose that one person lifts a little bit more.

But you don't really know, unless you know that person really well, who it's going to be,

until you actually do the lifting. And you don't know how to like accommodate it. Or even something like,

if you and I are lifting something together, I stand a foot taller than you. Yes.

I have to accommodate to the fact that you're a lot lower than I when I lift with you.

So it makes things a little more difficult. And that type of communication doesn't come naturally

to people, especially the type of people who put themselves into a situation where they're trying

to sell something, white and hazy in the situation, where he is trying to figure out, you know,

trying to lead but not lead too much. Yeah. And in in 50, everyone's like lucky that they all know

each other's names, but I once did a table maze right after a swap in a live game where I didn't know,

like, anybody's names and I couldn't be like, you hire, it was like so bad and we lost the challenge

because it was so hard to communicate who to lift what corners and things like that.

So I really love communication challenges in Survivor. I think it really breaks up the

monotony of obstacle course to puzzle, even though it is a puzzle, but it provides a different element.

Yeah. Honestly, like this challenge in 50 felt different.

Despite the fact that something we've seen so many times. Exactly in 49.

Right. Like it feels like even like the going to get the snake which we've seen a lot of times

and going through like a rope tunnel and stuff. Like, right. It gave just enough variety that it

felt different things. Like, maybe it was just. Yeah. How do you really entertaining?

Wars into the world. We come back with three different snakes and the mud. It was normal. And,

you know, all that kind of maybe it was just entertaining watching Jonathan unnecessarily do like

summer assaults outside the rope tunnel. Maybe it was because. Yeah.

The whole be just like beast. This entire challenge was really entertaining.

Maybe it's because like there's this little bit of strategy and it's like, doesn't matter what

order you send everyone out and it's better to get a big lead and put your strongest person first.

There's a better for them to copy at the end. There were just so many aspects of this challenge

that involved communication that we just don't get a C, but it culminates in this communication

at the end, which was just so fun for a bunch. Yeah. Okay. So out last, this is where we are pulling our

episode over for the Patreon from. It's who we decided to put on the thumbnail of this episode.

And we are talking about the lazy castaways versus the worker bee castaways. And we get a big segment

of that in this episode over on Vatu with Colby and Stephanie and Q all being the worker bees.

And then Aubrey, Rizzo and Angelina kind of being the lazy or just like camp dwellers. And then

Genevieve is kind of floating in the middle because Q says three or four. So I think Genevieve

kind of floats a little bit in my because she's aligned with the worker bees. But Rizzo flat out

was just like, I'm not doing anything at camp. I did not come here to play camp. I came here to

play a survivor. And that's what I'm going to be doing. And when you have old school players like

Colby being like, nobody's working around here. And I thought it was crazy with Q2 that he was joining

and joining in on this because I could see him going the new era way of just like, why do we need

this a little bit like just yeah. Because he was he's always playing the game, you know, high

intake. He was playing the game. So I could see him just being like, we're playing the game Colby

sit down. But he is just so old school in his bones that he's like, we are trying to fix this

shelter. We're trying to do XYZ. We need firewood. Like what is going on? I think, first of all,

I want to say that so much. Like, sadly, this podcast between Colby and Rizzo is exactly why we

wanted them both on the same tribe in the first place. I don't know how I honestly don't know how

people cannot be entertained by Rizzo. He is so funny. He is so like even just like the way he

interacts with people is so entertaining to me. And seeing him. Riz diva. Exactly. Seeing him like

go out to grab crabs and be like, oh, I prick my finger. I need to go disinfect it. And it doesn't

come back. It's so funny. Just like, okay, Rizzo, you better be starting the fire. And it's like,

dude, where's your supplies to start your fire? Well, we're not relying on Rizzo to start a fire.

Now, at all. Rizzo should be considering he lost fire making. I know.

Take that opportunity, Rizzo. But Col, or Q, has had this experience before though, right? Like,

he had this exact same experience with Jolinsky in the beginning of 46 and then swed in the

savvy task. Right. Right. So I don't think it's very surprising to see Q be a little frustrated

by this and be like, okay, Rizzo, what are you doing? The level, the level, the level felt so like

he was in season two with Colby. Like, I, because he's new era, it made me feel like he would be

used to Rizzo's antics rather than like, so what is going on at camp? 100%. Like, I totally,

I totally get that. But I also think Rizzo's in this weird situation on this tribe where he is

so much younger than everyone else. Yeah. Right. Like, he's 25 at the time of filming.

Genevieve, I think, is like 33. As the next youngest person on that tribe, also keep that in mind.

Genevieve is the next youngest person on this tribe. So like, there's a big difference. There's

a big gap there. And I think it really does shut. And I think as much as I said last week, like,

Rizzo really needs to like leave into this like little kid role and little brother role or like

son role on this tribe to really get along with people, it can backfire in situations like this

when your dad's Colby. And it's like, hey, son, you got to like actually work.

Yeah, but you fall into the sun of like, I'm going to be just like my dad, not like, oh, my,

my old man's been really breathing down my back kind of thing. So I think it's so funny,

because I also just loved Rizzo's confessional. Like, I'm here to play survivor. I'm not here to

play camp play. What's going on? Yeah. And that's very similar to actually going all the way back

to season one. Jervis was like, I'm not here. I'm not going to be this worker B. I'm here to

conserve my energy. Anybody want to play around a cards? Like, I'm here to avoid as much work as

possible. And people called him out on it, but didn't do anything about it. They were like,

yeah, Jervis is over here avoiding work. And then he brings that into blood versus water as well

with Tyson and the coconut bandits and all that. He's still always just like,

why do when others will just do it for you? It's just a different mentality that have the

approach to being. And I think when you look at something like Colby, this is Colby entertaining

himself. Right? Yes. You doing all this work, like always getting fire wouldn't stuff. That is

him entertaining himself. And I think that's what I would do. I would be like, I need I need something

to do. I'm going to constantly be working on this shelter. Yeah, exactly. Right? Like minor

improvements to your life also just greatly increase, like, improve your time there because you are

entertaining yourself somehow. And I think that is like a generational divide. I do think like someone

resows age has a much easier time just being like, you can just sit here and do nothing. Like,

I get it. There are times when I blackberry and doom scroll. Oh, there are times when I, as Genives

Age, sit down and do nothing all day. And just like, yeah, cool. I'm just going to let my imagination

wander now. I get it. But I would also definitely be working the entire time because I would need

something to do. Otherwise, I'd go start crazy. And that was really emphasized in the early

seasons of the survivor. I think when you have someone like Durvis who's taking it down,

there was still a misunderstanding of exactly how the game worked. And like, the there was a large

portion in the early areas of survivor that focused on, okay, but we need to win challenges.

Right? So we have to conserve our strength. It was a good excuse for people to be a little lazier.

But when you compare Durvis to someone like Joel or Greg who are working a little bit more,

to build the shelter to enhance their life, to even like Greg like exploring, right?

Is more than Durvis was doing in Borneo. It's just fascinating that, and I think this does kind of

come with like the age group that was on Borneo in comparison to 50. Durvis isn't really being

called out. Like he's being like, people acknowledge it, but they aren't like, okay, Durvis,

you have to start pulling your weight here. Yeah, that's true. They're not like

focused on Durvis, like get your act together or you're going home because he's still a vote for them

or he's, you know, that kind of thing. And then another big, you know, divide is Africa.

And we have the lazy gen Xers and then the older, older people on the tribe. And they are

lasing around the shelter when asked to do things. They're like dragging their feet. Same thing

that we have with Rizzo here in 50. We had all the way back in season three. And it's crazy

how well survivors still, still, especially when it's the gen Xers are the lazy ones in Africa.

Like that's just how the generation still just loop back. They loop back.

It's, okay, there's this big, very, okay, I'm going to get a little philosophical here.

There's a large theory about how generational divide is brought on by the fact that, like,

we just see ourselves in everyone and we're always striving to not be the generation

prior to us. We're always striving to make the world better, but our idea better is completely

derived from the idea of what the generation prior to us thought was better.

And being an as stark contrast to that is possible. And this mentality of work

is something that usually develops over time. The older you get, the more of you're like, okay,

I do have to do this to like better my own life.

Maybe it's world propaganda to like make us better, more complacent when it comes to working

and stuff like that. But the point being is, as you're younger, you're kind of like, no,

I don't want to do that because you're older than me. And I don't think that's a good idea.

And we really see it in Africa because there is like a 12 year divide between the bottom four

and the top four on that, on that assembly drive. So it's really exasperated quite a bit. Even though

the, that young crowd is still older than you would think a younger crowd would be, but what,

can power is being 29, like almost 30 yourself, but the next youngest person on the tribes 42.

So there is this divide there between them, which does create this like us first mentality.

Right.

And Africa, I think is such a weird place because you're not out there scrounging for fire

with all the time like you are in these tropical seconds. You're not out there fishing or scrounging

for food because it was such a different environment than what we've seen in almost every other

season of survival. Yeah, I mean, the main thing was like trying to deal with the water

over there and like getting as much water as you could to be able to boil.

So we are watching episode two of Africa over on the Patreon. That's going to be live tomorrow.

So make sure you become a patron, subscribe to the channel, like the video, hit the notification

bell, follow us on Instagram, you know, all the, all the usual suspects you get here over on

the specialist, do all the things because it helps us out so much. Yeah.

When I'm looking at the, do you, have you seen a difference in the younger's old divide as we've

gone further into survivor? Like it's, again, I was talking about how it's kind of exasperated on

50 because Rizzo is so much younger than everyone else with like a eight year divide.

Then what, I think Angelina's 36 and Aubrey's 39. So you're, there's like quite a large divide

between these people, but it's also because it's a 26 day game rather than a 39 day game. Do you

think like that's playing into this laziness we see from Rizzo and how does that reflect the

definitely could be because like Africa at one point they were like you need to beef up your

shelter or you'll die. Where here it's just like we're going to sleep bad for a few days. I can

deal with that. Like I don't need to exert my energy because I'm sleeping fine. Just because Colby's

back is older than my back. Why do I need to exert the energy to make him sleep better? I'm sleeping

just fine. So I do think the 26 day game really does narrow down the amount of work that you

need or want to do because I'm out of here in a few weeks instead of over a month.

I think you also bring up a good point and the survivalism aspect of it too. And we've talked

about the difference in like survivor now because they're reusing the same beach over and over again.

They're kind of, it is a bit campus. The way that Rizzo kind of explains it, right? Like it is

kind of like playing camp. Whereas in Africa, one falls move and you can be eaten by a lion.

Yeah, which is crazy. And obviously like production is not going to let that happen.

Productions out there are rolling and everything like that. Or even like, you know, they couldn't

really protect much. But like out back with Colby, he had a flood run through run through his camp.

Like yeah, there are real dangers that we have seen in Fiji, but now we have gone away from

monsoon season. Yeah, but we've also seen like the consequences of over preparation at camp two

in maybe Amazon when an entire shelter brings them. But that's one guy just doing it himself.

He never asked for any help. But yes, this is our show we discussed our without play at last

moments of the week. And it has been a fun time watching season 50. What is going on in

the specialist universe? Well, we had Phil and Will do their recap on Wednesday as always through

this yesterday. That was one Thursday was. Phil and Blake were joined by Carl from David versus

Goliath for digging deeper this week. I haven't actually personally had a chance to listen to it yet,

but I'm looking forward to doing that tonight. Phil will be joined by Sophie Bellieri on Sunday for

the power rankings. And Tech with has a map chat on Monday with Stephen Ram from season 49. So

that'll be fun getting more a lot of season season 49. Look at the season now that Savannah's

gone. Rizzo is still there. I'll be interesting to see how they feel about all that. I'm not sure

who Phil has for the predictions this week on Tuesday, but someone they'll be a guest there.

And they will be going through the property. Let me tell you the property opened up this week a

little bit. They got a little more interesting. I did very poorly. So you can still get in there

and probably beat me. So it's fine. Then McKenna and Phil are hopefully recapping Australia

and survivor on Tuesday next week. Who knows? It all depends on what A U decides. If it's airing

on Wednesday, then we pre-record and you get it Wednesday afternoon. It's Tuesday. You'll get it

live Tuesday night. We'll we'll figure it out. Oh, that speaking of Tuesday, Phil and I are actually

doing our Austria's predictions on Tuesday night. So stay tuned for that. We get some

or we get the cinema specialist back for a little bit. So that'll be fun. Oh, we have Joe Dorowski

on the the prop that Phil did like a deep dive about a book that they wrote. That's right. That'll

be really good, actually. So make sure. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. And on the Patreon, there's so much

going on, McKenna and I are doing a rewind every season matters. Phil and Will did a very

weird topic this week for I can't remember the name of that podcast. So yeah, there's so much stuff

there. There's content dropping on the page. I'm not doing a lucky versus unlucky survivor players,

brand steel because it's not going to be iteration March. Oh, of course. That makes total sense.

There's so much content coming out almost every single day on the page. So make sure you get them

there. You can get on the discord and talk to survivor fans all the time. And then we'll be back

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swaps next week. Switch. No, no, the episode is titled, did you vote for a swap? I voted for a swap,

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