Talks to Luke Hollands about his choice of Revolution of the Daleks (

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Oh, welcome back to Hapsdo with the Blum Penmite

The Doctor Who commentary podcast

Mr. Luke Holland, hello

Hello, Joe, how you doing?

Oh, yeah, well, it was pretty stressful today

But I knew I was coming to hang out with a new friend tonight

How are you doing?

I'm doing well, I'm doing well, yeah, I can't wait to talk about this amazing story

Well, yes, we are going to have a little peripheral discussion

about Jodi and her era before we go into revolution of the Daleks

which we are here to talk about today

Somehow not covered on hand stuff, it's baffling

But before we do that, you know

I could have swarmed, you know

I saw your name turn up on a schedule recently

On a few websites

Please, not a criminal one

Not criminal ones, was it?

Some of you want to confess?

No, no

Are you sure?

Yeah

I'm trying to get you more assignments here, not less, okay?

Okay

Now, why don't you tell me all about the Pulse Bragg competition

What this is all about?

Yeah, so every year, Big Finish runs the Pulse Bragg opportunity

Which is in memory of Pulse Bragg

He worked at Big Finish and sadly died quite young

But they run an opportunity every year where anyone can write a story

And you have to write 500 words synopsis

And a 500 word entry, sort of opening of the story

And this year it was specifically Jodi themed

It was the 13th Doctor One

But I've been entering it for every year for the last ten years

Pretty much, and this year I won

So very excitingly

This Christmas, my first ever Big Finish came out

You can listen to it right now

And may I say to anyone who's listening

Please do go and listen to it, it's fabulous

It's got a wonderful concept, it's hard

But Jesus Christ, man, you're not happy to just sit on that concept

No, we go on a whirlwind tour, we go to all these wells

And it's absolutely amazing

Yeah, how imagination you have

Yeah, I thought it would be a lot easier if I had sort of three stories within one story

And I could just write these short little bits and connect them all together

But actually that ended up becoming quite unmanageable

You meant to write 5,000 words

And I think my first draft was about 11,000 words

Oh boy, okay

So I'd like to hack that to pieces then

Hit the pieces

So yeah, maybe the director's cut or the writer's cut coming out at some point

But can I offer an enticing teaser to the people listening

Okay, imagine or I imagine if a day of the week

You know, the title may give away which one

A day of the week goes missing and it just happens to be a day

Where the doctor achieves a great deal in the universe

And when it's taken, all of that is undone

And all the chaos that ensues

Yeah, exactly

The doctor has to go into the day with the owner of the lost property office to convince her to give her the day back

So she can save the universe

I mean, just to set in a story and a lost property office is genius

You know, it's never been done before in doctorhood

No, I know, but I kind of wanted to cram so much more into it

I mean, the great thing wasn't the cover art they did for it

Like a film canister

And there was a production code on it for the Feast of Stephen for Dalek's Master Plan

So there's a little bit that I wrote into it where there's like a pew, pew, pew

And the canister gets blown up

So that's where we're missing stories are

And my wedding ring, because I was inspired by losing my wedding ring

To write the story that ends up in there as well

Are you telling me that you are responsible for the destruction of the Feast of Stephen

Because I've got someone downstairs, right? It's got a few words to say to you

Yeah, yeah, yeah

But hopefully I can get it back at some point

In a purely fictitious way

I mean, do you know what the genius of all this is?

Is you've got, what do you say 10 years you've been submitting?

Oh, you're pretty much, I think, yeah

At least at least I put 10 entries in

Are you listening to this, right?

First of all, you've chosen this man as the best of all of the bunch, right?

So, you know, I mean, they probably had a lot of frosts as well

But, you know, I'm sure they have some great stuff going in

I mean, my mate Jack, oh, bless him

I better not say anything on the call we might listen

But he's got nine other stories already to go

Like, if you've been doing it for 10 years, where are all the other nine?

Come on, let me tell you my phone

Most of them are my phone notes

I'm constantly writing stuff on my phone notes

They're like, oh, that'd be a good thing to do

One year I had, I wrote all about a time hotel

Where every door went on to a tip

A different lit shoot was like a two years beforehand

So, maybe Moffit copied that for us

And now we know who's waste paper bar skits he's been scrappling about in anyway

Yeah, he's been around my bins

I mean, I was just about excuse me

I was just about to say, you know, well, I've had a great time

Because there were so many wonderful ideas in the Wednesday that it wasn't

Can you give me just one other one that you've conjured up out of all the others?

Of all the past stories

Yeah, come on, what's your favourite?

What's your favourite apart from the one that obviously was made?

Yes, well, the time hotel one I've got really excited by,

because it was like, it wasn't so much the doors that they went through

It was the windows looked out on a different time

So it was about a man that had lost his wife

And every, he'd discovered this time hotel

And he went to this room, every anniversary they had

But unfortunately, it sort of always looked out on when they're their first meeting

Walking along the seafront and meeting together

And then somehow Daleks were involved and then it got them

Yeah, those were the things I've been in my heart already

You know, I wondered when you watched that dismal Christmas day episode of Stulvey Island

And I was like, hang on, that's my bloody idea

It would have been much better in my short trip

It was so disturbed, it was depressing, wasn't it? It wasn't great

Terrible, my God

Well, I mean, we're going back to the era before that, you know, happy days

Well, actually, let's talk about that then, shall we?

Let's talk about, no, wait, hang on, I'm getting ahead of myself

I want to ask you first, if you don't mind

Let's do a bit of probing

Thank you, Bob

How does you insert yourself into Doctor Who, Luke?

Sorry

That's all right

Take yourself back, Joe

It's October, 1988

It's a drizzly evening

I think there's on middle out, yeah

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've already gone to bed early

So I'm only about five years old, all at the time

And from my bed, I hear terrifying voices downstairs

It is one episode, not sure which of Remembrance of the Daleks

Oh, that was brilliant for you

It would never calling

Come downstairs

For some reason, for ages, I had a memory that it was the last episode

So it was down for us

But I'm not sure if it was or whether that's like a false memory

But I was so scared

Basically, a camera downstairs, utterly terrified

I was like, please, I never want to hear this theme tune

I never want to hear Daleks

I never want to see any of this ever again

How that worked out for you

Yeah, it didn't work out very well

Because, not long after that, I started talking to my mum about

I'd love to see an episode that didn't have Daleks in it

And in our local library, they had the Arkinspace on VHS

And I watched that

And then when I was a little bit older and I was better at reading

I started diving into target books

And started getting there

I think I must have read vengeance on Varus about six times

A hard back copy of Universal Varus

Unhealthy

But yeah

Yeah, yeah

And then what really got me into it was 1993

Or sort of 92, 93

So when all the repeats were on

I started watching it then

So like mind robber, sea devils

Genesis as Daleks

Obviously Planet of the Daleks

Which is my absolute favourite on, you know, across the actual 30th anniversary

Which was my 10th birthday

10th, I want a great year to watch Planet of the Daleks

I know, I just absolutely loved it

And to watch every light Friday, then coming home

And it being on

It was such a treat at the end of the way

My mum would get fishing chips

Watch Planet of the Daleks

All those little videos that were on at the beginning before

I'd like the antiques one

They had the unit one

They had the missing story one

With being Levine on it

And then you had in that run

You had dimensions in time

Was in that as well

I mean, you are so favourite on you

I'm a soul, yeah

I've voted for Mandy

I can't remember a vote for me

No one voted for Big Ron, did they?

I think I voted for Big Ron

I think I voted for Big Ron

Could I like Big Ron?

I mean, 13 million people can't be Ron, right?

Don't mention these

I mean, 13 million people can't be Ron, right?

Don't mention these ones

Exactly

And then obviously you had, you know

I've got really into the third doctor around there as well

So obviously John Perk who was everywhere was on

Ghost Benz, Parodyser Death, he was on

Crank up your granny

I mean, he was everywhere

Noel House Party

He was

He got away so well

Yes

Hello

Yeah, so I just, that was sort of cemented it I think then

Because I don't know obviously then about things like missing stories

Or like their sort of history of the show

I remember asking my parents that Christmas for a bunch of books

And I got like the, like the David J. Howell, like the 70s

Oh, God

And there was one, it was called time, time, frames

Right

With all the covers

Yeah, with all the covers in it

Yeah, I used to sit every night as like a ten-year-old

I just flick through that

And just look at it

You was in two days from that point

Yeah

It wasn't the fact that Katie Manning was topless in it, that wasn't her

Oh, I don't know

Did you see that Companions book that they brought out?

Yeah, that was the, I had the copy of that as well

Patreon, page two

Unbelievable, isn't it?

That is burned into my mind

It may have had huge influence on my life but in the wrong direction

But I weirdly, it got to, just like just after 96

Obviously it came back as very exciting about the TV movies

Or watch that

And around that time when I started becoming a teenager

It's self-conscious about the whole Doctor Who

And I packed everything I had away, got rid of everything

Oh, I believe she got rid of it

Or yeah

Yeah, the whole shelves of Target book

No

Everything, I just like, I get read, I'm done

So towards the late 90s

So have you twist on turns in this story, Luke?

No, keep going

I'm my own hiatus

I'm my own wilderness

What were you watching at the time then when Doctor Who wasn't in

I quite liked a bit of red dwarf at the time

Oh, that's a pretty good one

Exactly, I did like a bit of that

You just had the crystal maze or something like that

I wouldn't mean

But now I sort of gave it all up

So I don't know, I got really self-conscious about it

I gave it all up

I would tell my parents

They're like, do not mention it to anyone

I think I basically wanted to go a friend at the time

And I was like, please don't

I've got to put this away because I can't have this around

I believe you swore your parents to secrecy

I swore them to secrecy is like

Do not do dare mention this ever happened

Well secretly, I'd be in my room

I'd like a box under the bed that I'd kept a few like annuals

A few books

And I'd secretly look and go, I love this

This is so nice

I've never really thought you had all sorts under that bed

And it's just like the appointment of a snowman target

I know, yeah

Exactly, yeah

I know

Let's show you my previous partners after that

Obviously, I'm secretly here like sneaking down to try and watch the news here or whatever

I've been a university

Oh, even when the news series came back

Yeah, you still kept this under wraps

I kept it under wraps

Yeah, yeah, yeah, when the news series came back

I'd be like, yeah, I'm just turning it into my room a second

You know, on a Saturday, yeah, I'm just going to get a few pre drinks

And you know, I'll just turn it to time

I'll see you in a couple of hours' time

Tell you what, mate, it goes, yeah, you wank a lot

You're out there watching gridlock

Exactly, literally

Literally

Yeah

Okay, I'm hoping that the story is going to end with I got over all of that

It does end with that

I've got all over all of that

And I've embraced it all again

I'm starting to buy all my targets back now

But I mean, they've all gone up in price now

Yeah, it's hard breaking

I got rid of all mine as well when I moved out

That's a story I'll tell a million times

It basically, my ex-husband

Curse the man

Said to me

Something's got to go

We can't take everything

And I had all the original books, I had all the targets

And all the VHS things, I had all the DVD

And so I just went, oh, we've great

For a morning, I've been bagging in a skip

In a skip, I didn't even pass them on or anything

I know

Do you know how much they're worth now these?

I know

I know

Well, in my mind, like a target book is 20p

And yeah, you shop now on this like

£2.50 is the cheapest you can get

20p?

You know, when you're playing with a yo-yo

And cheering gum back in the day

Nowadays

Yeah, I think of what

I pay £27 for time in the Ronnie

Oh my god

I mean, I had loads of the blue spine ones

That are now worth

Slute fortune

I remember getting the invasion when it came out

Dioliconvation of Earth

A load of them I just think

God, what was I doing?

I had an early edition of

Like a first edition of wheeling space as well

Which is now with an absolute fortune

Now, can I ask you a personal question?

Go on

Okay, there'll be many

So you used to it

So your wife now, yes

So did you go into that relationship

Immediately as a doctor who fan

Or was there a moment

Where you had to sit her down

And go, I have something brutal

To confess to you

I did sort of confess it

Do you know what?

I thought

I had so many relationships

Where I was like

I've got to hide this

How many?

Utah hot

Not that, I think

Not that way

But with her, I kind of thought

Do you know what?

I really like her

Like, I really like her

I'm going to get this out of the way early

And maybe that'll be a tester

If she doesn't go

She's a complete weirdo

I mean, I'll do that with, like, women

You know, like

Sorry, sorry, sorry, no, go on

As you went

Oh, okay, well, cool, yeah

Oh, so you were like

Oh, God, all these years

All these years, I could have just said that

What was it doing?

It must be a great dramatic moment

It was for me, I don't think it was for her

I think she just didn't really ignore it

But what you're basically saying is

You came out as a doctor who

You came out of the closet

But she's the only person

Other than my parents

Who I've really sort of told

Oh, well, I'm sorry

I mean, the numbers are quite good for this thing, you know

So you might hold a few more people

When this goes out

Well, nobody else within your life

You work, you

No, no

Oh, God, you are closet, aren't you?

I'm very closet

I mean, usually

When people turn up on the Zoom call

I can see all manner of geekery behind them

Now, I'm just going to set the scene behind Luke right now

I mean, it looks like a Piano Force

Maybe, aren't you there? Is that really it?

Yeah, you played a bit

Oh, beautiful, thank you

I can't really play it through

And some very sophisticated looking library

Behind you, so where's all the doctors who?

Actually, those upstairs

I should have bought it down

So, actually, when this, when the latest, when this story dropped on the short trip drops

I was down in Ramsgate, actually, of all places

And, and went in a secondhand bookshop

And they had an entire shelf of targets

And I was like, I'm going to treat myself

And bought a whole lot of them

So I've now got...

How much that set you back?

Yeah, it set me up a lot

Sorry, darling, we can't pay the rent this month

No, she was with me at the time

I was like, no, I just, I've got to do it

I'm afraid I need to start doing it again

Is it a therapy, darling?

Yeah, yeah, it's right

Speaking dopamineers are there, reading the edge of destruction

This has been one of my favourite Doctor Who journeys

I've heard so far, you know

I mean, I'm so pleased

I'm so pleased that, well, I mean, I'll truly understand the depths of your fandom

As we go through this, all right

Because you can usually tell by how obscure the references to all my stories

So that they drop our...

Well, let's start with Jody then

Because we're talking about revolution of the Daleks

And, obviously, Jody was the Doctor in your big finish, short trip

So, I'm going to sort of not frame it out, I normally do

Which is what do you think of her

Because I know you like her

And we're talking about her

So let's assume that you do

But, when you went to Roy

You're short trip

What was it?

What was it about her Doctor?

How did you pin her down on the page if you're part of the bottom?

Yeah, well, I think she's...

It's not she's easy to write for

But, like, the character is so sort of fully formed

You know exactly what she's going to say at any minute

You know exactly what kind of quip she's going to say

She's just...

Yeah, you sort of that mix of humour and the quirkiness

The littler side

You know, she's just...

It's a joy to write for

Because you're like, I don't know exactly what she's going to say now

She would say something like this

And I could sort of really feel the voice in my head

It was so...

I have to say

When I was so authentic

Like, Claire Corbett's reading as well

It's just so Jody as well

But, you know, it's nothing without the words, right?

And just the jokes that I always think Jody's fast

And the speed of her lines in your story

I was like, yeah, there's a rhythm to it

And you just got it in a way that

Actually, some of the big finishes that I've heard

Some do and some don't

And it's a difficult thing to get right

But also as well, you manage to do

Jody's position in a very non-crush-chip and all sort of a way

Bravo sir

I mean, I love that kind of exposition

When it's sort of funny

The hard thing with that though is

Because obviously a short trip isn't like a full-cast audio driver

So you've got one voice doing it

So you have to have...

I like it though

It did feel like you had a full-cast in there

You have to have that exposition

Because you can't sort of have...

It's one actor speaking to themselves

So you can't sort of go

Oh, yes, Doctor

What do you mean, Doctor?

Speaking back with the boys

Although Claire Corbett did have to do a bit like she did very, very well

But see, sort of, right, these bit more sort of exposition pieces

And I don't know, yeah, it's just...

I mean, I love Jody

I think she's great

Yeah, you know, I was...

I was so ready for a female, Doctor, when they announced it

I was pumped

Yeah, whilst the world was screaming out

It's rage

The hideous decision to put a woman as a time-lord

I was just so happy

And then, I think, series 11

I really liked, but I didn't love

Then series 12

From Spifle...

No, from Pony Resolution on

I was just like, fuck, this is so good

There's so much energy in this now

Especially after, and I do

Very much like Peter Colby, but I have so many issues with that era

It was dark, it was quite slow

It was very angst-ridden

It was very, sort of

There was a lot of self-therapy going on for the Doctor

I just wanted just some fun and some adventures and all of that

And we do get some of that with Jody as well

By the time we got to Flux, Matt, it was just my favourite of the news series

That era

Yeah, I think that was my favourite too

I think you just got better and better and better

And then, when you get to Flux and then power the Doctor

Oh boy

It peaks a lot

That's the best bit of power on the Doctor for you

I think it's the bit where Peter Davidson says

What am I thinking of?

Cybermen, what am I thinking of now?

She goes mad right

I like the bit where it is

She goes

Oh yes, he knew exactly what

When I saw Colin on the screen, I punched the air

Yeah

But the, oh I'm Peter, Paul McCann as well

I was like, oh my god, anything else

I thought

It actually sort of made the 60th anniversary

Well, we just got beeped the beep

And we were a weird pulling the cracker regeneration

Seemed a little bit limping comparison

Yeah, yeah

And I think like I fell the same way about the Paradoxes

I do about five doctors probably

Where you're like, I'm not sure some of this makes sense

No

I'm so here for it

I'm so here for it

I couldn't give myself

You got a giant fielding going, yes

I would like to go into the TARDIS

Please

Well, let's swing us around to

Revolution of the Daleks then

You said you hadn't seen this for a while

I certainly hadn't seen this for a while

Did you like this on first transmission?

Yeah, so I remember loving it on first transmission

So I think

Like

Timeless children

I'm very happy with it

Why did you sigh before

No, not sigh

Timeless children

Because at the time

I was sort of unsure

As to whether it was a good decision or not

I could really remember mine

And I think not the whole concept of it

Just the level of law that it was going into and creating

I was just like, oh, there's a bit of fanwank

Is it, do we really need this

Is this really going to bring in audiences?

Are we going to enjoy it?

And when it got to revolution, I sort of thought

Great, it's just a straightforward story

Yeah

It is just a good adventure

It is really cinematic

It's following on from the previous

Festive special

Great Daleks story

Good solid story, and that's all I wanted

And actually now when I was

Watched it back

I might prefer the time as children

Ah, what a big guy

What a blame

Because now I've sort of understood that

I've made my piece

I like when I was watching that originally

And all the stuff in Ireland and the baby

And falling off a cliff and

I was like, what the hell is going on

I just want to start

Can I just have a straightforward story please

Right? They are a lot of those

Standard loans and fairly straightforward

Morally and creatively

Do you know what?

When I watched this earlier

The thing that really stood out for me

Was I was never really moved

By Ryan and Graham's departure

When it went out

And I had a tear in my eye

When I was watching it today

And I was like wow, this is really

And do you know what it was?

It was the fact that it was so

And just so like

Do you know what? I've had enough

I've decided actually my life's here

And I want to look after the people I love

And I was like yeah, that's

That for me is a much better exit

Than oh god, I'm often a guy

And I have with some lesbian from the end of time

Or the world is ending

And the whole universe is going to end

Unless I kill myself for me

To build, turn into a side man

And then a gay cuddle

No, I mean I love Bill

That series of with Capaldi is

One of the best ones I love them as a side

I've seen everybody did to her

I know, I can't

It's awful

I don't know what that ever thought

I was a good idea to shoot a companion through the stomach

So you can then know the camera through the image

The whole was so big

The camera got her a side man

And then like oh no, we're not going to sell

There's some kind of puddle thing

We'll sell that in the next bit

At the Christmas whatever

Anyway, I mean this brings back

Jack North's character

It's catching jacks in this

Obviously the Daleks are in this

It's following out from resolution

Like there's a lot of stuff you sort of need to know

Before you go in

I think there are some little nods in there

To previous sort of classic era Dalek stories

And various classic stories

I think I mean I don't know if they're intentional

Or it's just me reading it

And a couple of things

Yeah, no, but you know there's things like

Oh, we'll get into it in a second

But obviously what other story

Has someone being killed

And a Dalek being taken away in a truck

Remembers the Daleks

Ratcliffe takes away

You're quite deep there

Yeah, I'm trying to now think of how

I can bring the chase into this somehow

We have a shot the Prime Minister before

We probably should have done

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I think we have shot the Prime Minister

I'm not shot the Prime Minister

I suppose Harriet is

She's ex Prime Minister isn't she

Harriet Jones

It's this Prime Minister

It's supposed to be a take on Theresa May

It's not the idea

It must be a take on Theresa May

I mean the whole idea of the Daleks

Of the defence drones

Be rolled out across the world

And then they all come evil

Kill everyone

I mean that's just delicious I think

A lot of an RTD slight thing

Where you've got that really

Familiar imagery of 10 Downing Street

And then the Daleks there

I mean it's almost sort of

Dalek impatient of earth isn't it

Like seeing the Daleks in London

And then executing the Prime Minister

Which I think in 2021

Quite a lot of people would have been quite

We were sort of essentially

Yeah, yeah, yeah

However it was I was punching the air

I mean that's pure trailer for yours

Or a bit where she shot and then the Dalek turns to the camera

Like Daleks and the Masters of earth

Sort of there

But like all the stuff about I mean I thought

Some of this stuff is actually ongoing

Like the stuff that about using the drones for civil unrest

And things like that

We've just had a load of riots

And I was like oh there's something to this idea

It's almost a shame it's sort of wasted just here

But yeah, but you forget that I forgot

I sort of had a brain fart

And I forgot that this was actually filmed before

COVID

Because in my mind

It was I was like oh it must be a satire on COVID right

You've got like

Your hero is locked away

In confinement

They can only go out for exercise

Like once a day

You've got dodgy government contracts

You've got broadcast from Downing's point

You've got how did he know

How did he know what was coming down

Sales being created

That then go across the world

And cause like a devastating you know

Terrific devastating thing

So this must be like all especially when Jody's in prison

Yeah

You know Chris Chibner has a scrying glass

Where you can see it in the future

And maybe he does

Patrick Mira are on the wall right

Let's make this up

Can you tell us why do you tell us

Chris you got a wallet paper

I mean I cannot stress this enough

And I always say it and I've had people

It's not critisized me for it

But just the fact that

This production team risked bloody death

We're in COVID

Come on, like

And I mean one of the things that I love Jody for

You remember that little video she did

She said she got

And make me cry thinking about that

Is just to do that

Thinking of kids that we watch

I mean I watched it and was like

All right Doctor

What did you say at the end?

You've got this or something like that

Yeah

It's so good

This era for not having enough hero moments

He's like come on

Come on there's plenty of hero moments

She literally falls

Out of the sky

Through a train roof

At the end of that episode

She's there jumping cranes

Taking the piss out of his name

I mean at the start of this one

Well at the start of this one it's a flashback

To the previous festive special

But you know it just it shows

It's just that constant hero moments

To this where all those Daleks flying

To the TARDIS afterwards

I mean that is just great

And then she's at this old bait and switch

Which is actually a hologram

And then I'm too much like

Didn't race on this call

But are we sure that Disney

Didn't fund this era

And instead of the one to come

Looks so beautiful

It's gorgeous

But probably

With not as much money

Like the greens, the purples

The reds, the blues

Really just so gorgeous

Gorgeous shots

I don't think it's looked better

When they're in that big way

You know where all the Dalek mutants are

Where they're all being grown

All the colours in there

It just feels vast

And there's some bits

Where Leo is talking to

Chris and off and there

It's all blue

The light up

They just keep it

Keep it pretty dark

It's Leo that really delicious man

Who grows the Dalek

Yeah it's that one

So sad when he died you know

Good grief

Doctor didn't save him like he did with the previous person

He'd been taken over the Dalek the year before

He likes killing all

There was a pretty man in resolution as well

The sort of policeman going on about his digits

Do you remember

The one great thing about Chibson's Dalek

It's an online mafia's Dalek

Like murder a lot of people

I mean they are bad

I like the fact in this

When the defense drone Dalek's go bad

They just start

Indiscriminately murdering people

They're not like stop or

Please do this or negotiate

They're just like indiscriminate

They see all those people in passport control

Just had to know of their passport

And being murdered

You can see people falling

I mean what did people think walking past

What's going on over there

That's Dalek's literally dying

Lepran said to him

It's great and do you know

Do you know where that bridges that they shot

Yeah and in Bristol I used to look at that

I did wonder

Oh that is stunning

Should we go and watch this thing

We could wax lyrical before we go in

But we may as well watch it

And wax lyrical while we're doing it

And then count us in

Five or three seconds

Whatever she fancy

Okay

Five, four, three, two, one

Let's go

Wait up

I'm so excited doing this with a new person

You know I mean virgin territory here

I love this door

Sort of start

Taking a piss I remember

It does like his big chunky font

Yeah and it's the same font

Isn't it across the, across flux as well

I, you know

In a resolution

I really felt that

I've always loved seconds music

But I really felt it

It went up a notch in that

His Dalek theme is just amazing

It's great I bet he's Dalek and his cyberman famous

So good

Do you think about this sort of junkyard chic Dalek here

I quite like it

I do quite like it

I think I like it better when it's defense drone one

Blingy with the lights and the

Whatever you like a bit of bling do you

I don't know

When you're not throwing it off in Tesco

That is

So that's the niche reference that no one will understand

Because they won't start with this call

Here we go look there's two people at GCHQ

There is there is but one is extremely hot

So we don't mind

Although did you notice right?

Albright at times he sips his bloody tea

Just to make the point

This is an important plot point

That's tea cup

Can I stop for a cup of tea?

Yeah because you

Oh I wonder if that will be important

Yeah

So I was trying to think this through

Because I think it's a good moment

Where he gets dragged on the side of the road

So they must be overhearing this conversation

Knowing he likes tea

And having set up that wagon on the motorway

What if he stops it like Greg's

For a sausage roll

Everywhere, on the entire road from Cheltenham's

Wherever this depository place

That wall must have been like

The McDonald's muffin

He stopped for that and stayed

Here he is

Do you like the idea though of the Dalek

The remains of the Dalek

Basically kickstart in this story

Yeah I think it's really nice

Because we haven't really had a festive special before

Where it sort of carries on from the previous one

So it's quite a nice interesting idea

To pick up from that

To have casual viewers who watch it at Christmas

I thought, oh I watched that last Christmas

I didn't watch much of the rest of the series

But I'm watching it again

I wonder if

If Christmas hadn't been cancelled as spectacularly

As he was

If we might have got the third one

It's really lovely for the Dalek so much

I don't care

I've done like it

Oh you're mad

It's my favourite of the free

Is it? I don't know

It's a battle over that one another day

Don't you worry

Here he is he's going to get that

Oh he's had a few too many

A few teas too

It's not the Rehipno again

Oh god

What's that woman doing in that burger van in Laibos

The truckers were hitting me

Who's she working for

Well I suppose Chris North

North yeah

You make sure you're there

On the A42

In the T

He's dead now

I think he's dead

He must be dead right

He doesn't come back see

So he's shoved in the back of there

What is to him

He was so christian people can't do economic character beats

But I really like the woman just going

Oh how is your mum and he's like yeah yeah

She's alright

Don't ask too much

And then there's the picture of her in the car

And that's all you need to know

This was during COVID but they shot it a long time before

I was thinking oh is it because these mums

Is this sort of a COVID reference

Do you see the state of that Dalek

I'm not

Oh god are you ever had a morning like that

I have a few

Probably

What's your tip all by the way

My tip all well I've got a little bit of a souvenir

Blonk going on down here

Blonk, cheers

I don't drink at all actually

That's what I put the BWSR work

I don't know what I'm saying

Yeah

Lee Haven Joes

Where do I know that name from

So he did all from 55

Oh Banger

I love it

I love it

This is where people are going

Oh it's this man Luke Collins

He doesn't like even the Daleks

He does like all from 55

The only reason I don't like even the Daleks

Is because I think it's a bit creepy

Oh but I'll tell you what I've got about this place

What have you got?

You don't want to know

You really don't

No I was joking in by the way

I do love all of this

A kind of desktop meetings between

Jack Robinson and the Prime Minister

Yeah

I mean yeah

Chris North

I mean obviously

Pretty severe allegations made after this

Yeah Chibnault must have been like

Paul RCD

He had to contend with Baramun

and

Paul Moffey has had to contend with Neil Gaiman

Yeah

And now this

Yeah now this

You still talk about separating the art from the artist

Can you

I don't know

It does put a pretty big stain across this

Like

I have had that discussion quite a few times

I'm a massive buffy fan

And I know way indoors

What a bully towards women

Just we even clearly was

But I still love buffy

So it's like I kind of have to

Separate it because I love that show

And with things like this where it's so many people

Involved in it you think you

If you sort of cancel it you're then taking away

I suppose

Every actor, every talent in it

Oh the Dalek

Oh he's sexy bastard

Great design isn't it

There's a few people you know a few crowds

I wouldn't mind jetting like this

And guessing now

Wasn't that

Do you remember Boris Johnson bought those

He bought those water cannons

To use

Is this taking a piss out of that

I don't know maybe it is

Because it's sort of make a big thing about water cannons

I love this where he says about the

We're not actually using sygas gas

And it's just the demonstration

They're all willing participants in this

Size and they've been paid to turn up and just pretend to be

Be tortured

Be tortured yeah

I love it when the CS gas

And he's like we're not obscuring CS gas

And Chris and off says it would have been fun

I don't know what to do

I mean uh Joe I think he is

Deliciously evil

I mean he's such a cartoon character isn't he

And that's my sort of villain

Who's just in no way plausible

But really fun to watch

I mean like my favourite of all time is Harrison Chase

So

Do you like reading your green cathedral?

Green cathedral yeah

I love it

Yeah he is great Harrison Chase

But like I don't know if we get enough

Recurring

Sort of slightly villains in the new series

And I was happy to get one that

Obviously we've got the master of all the time

But that sort of gets a bit dull

After a while

Well they do love Sasha Duane

I think he is the best one of the best that we've had

Like Sasha Duane for different reasons you know

No no no he's a

God he's a very intense actor isn't he?

It's so good

He's kind of magnificent

Jodie is really good

We haven't seen Jodie yet

Apart from the flashbacks

Yeah yeah

How long are you?

Nearly ten minutes in

Yeah we haven't seen her

I mean it's obviously it's an extended length isn't it this one

It's a long one

They say don't they that she's been in the prison for how many years is it?

Quite a long time

Jack says he spent like 19 years trying to get to the cell next to her

And she's doing terrible crimes he said

Oh my god

I don't want to think about it

She says it's been a difficult few decades

Okay but the only reason I think this works

And I really have issues with the 100 billion years

Or however long he was in that puzzle box for in heaven sent

Hunting is that she's got stuff to deal with here

So maybe she's not trying to break out of that prison

Because she's got a lot to think about

Yeah don't yeah I think that's it

Because a lot of people say oh you know

Having having Jack a man break her out is that bad

She's the doctor where can she break out sooner

But I think it's showing that she's been gone through real trauma

You know the what's going on in the time as children and stuff she's learned

She's just sort of depressed

She's stuck here

She doesn't want to break out she could do what she wanted to

She's probably just processing it all

There's a really great scene

Later in the episode between her and Ryan

It's basically her goodbye scene with Ryan

Because it's a group scene at the end

Where she tries to fop off

What she's been through at the time as children

And he says no

You're going to tell me about it

And it really is weighing on her

So even though she's had all of this time

She hasn't quite come to terms with any of it

I love this prison stuff

It's shot so beautifully

I think that's great as well

I love her hair in this and the outfit I think is brilliant

And then all the little easter eggs

You get in here so good

It does feel like

When she goes into the room with all the cages

It looks huge

But again like I

Again I misremember

I was thinking that this was shot during lockdown

Because I thought this must be some kind of satire on lockdown

That face that she's got

She's looking out the window

That is literally my face for about two years

Oh

Well I can go out from going for a run

I'm working retail or I was still working

I know actually

I was probably my saving grace actually getting out every day

Do you see in that long shot there

What was that bristling sort of huge green thing

What is that like

I paused it early on that looking

Like nude as a pating

Is a sicker axe

I love the pating

So good

You think he'd be able to eat the whole prison really

Surely he can just eat through everything

Yeah

And then she reads herself a little bedtime story

Oh yeah

Many things about this episode have not aged

I know it's not aged well

Unless you're a huge fan of JK Rowling of course

In which cases you'd be delighted to hear that the doctor reads himself

Harry Potter to sleep

No

I don't think so

I was never a fan of Harry Potter before

All of this other nonsense

No

It's hard because my son's quite likes it

And it's really hard thing to sort of separate again the art from the artist

Because I just don't really care for it

Or have use obviously

But yeah

It is tricky isn't it

And I think increasingly so

Because there are

Social media means we are more privy

To create the stories and opinions

Than ever before

And I think it's really hard to musicians

You know Nicki Minaj recently

I know

Next to Trump go in

A gold card

And immigrants saying oh it's all right

You know that the immigrants have been separated from their kids

That's fine

Yeah I mean I know people who listen to her music they were just appalled

Yeah

Oh look at this

It's like Brooks High Clothes sitting at that they've got to

I know

What were they thinking of when the people in that close thinking of when the suddenly this house turned up

And

Do you remember like the end of the time as children

There were those two sort of cyber war refugees who come back

Oh yes the one that

Graham was slowing with

Where did they go

Somewhere in the 21st century on earth

Not Judy Graham playing her you know

She'd be all right

She get a lot of work she's probably an actress now

She's not playing Ruby White in the Sarah Jane adventures

You never know

Yeah

Oh it's such a gorgeous design though that TARDIS

Do you see those roundels

I mean I like Joe this TARDIS

I'm not too sure about those enormous

Penises that come down and attack her every time

Hello

Oh you like enormous penises do you

He doesn't

I do like this

It's sort of retro back to Hartnell but it's not quite

It's sort of what you might remember it

That being

What do you think is happening with Yaz here

I think she's been a detective

You know maybe that's what she's reverted to

She's a copper by trade

So maybe she's doing what she knows

How and she's just trying to work it out

I mean if I was her

And I had a TARDIS

An infinite size TARDIS to be

I might just live in there

And be happy

I mean she they seem to imply that she's

Sleeping there on the floor

Which means I think it's gone beyond the

Even a bit too

I think she's in love with the doctor

And she will keep working

Until she gets her back

There's a scene in the haunting of Villa Diodati

Which is what three episodes back

Where Yaz is talking about someone

Especially in her life

That she has strong feelings for

That and then this

And then obviously we go into flux

And it all blossoms

Yeah yeah yeah

Because if you're her you don't

You know we're like oh she's been gone 10 months

That's not that long

If you're her and you think she's never coming back

Potentially

You might have lost her forever

This is a gorgeous shot

The shot in the woods

In the forest

That long shot back with the lights on the sides

Look at that

I'd be so lucky

Crying do you know it's all the wood

See you see you

Wait if one's married you know

I lost my wedding ring

Where does it lose it?

In the woods

She ain't going to listen to this

She ain't got bloody oak

I've already got enough wives coming after me

You know when these things go out

Oh

But though I also like as well

That there is an entire plot

Going on here away from the doctor

And away from the companions

That sort of builds and builds

I mean it's slightly

Obviously

The joe character here

The prime minister is the only person

We see from the government

Or any of that at all

They're really economical with the cast

If you think about it

If you go beyond the

Then there's not that many other people

No it is

But like people are expensive aren't they

I think yeah

You know lots of speaking parts

It's really expensive

And they're just putting the money in other places

What at the end of this

In what's huge scale

With two lots of Daleks fighting each other

Poor he doesn't give it to us

That's so good

Yeah

There's some people with guns turn up

But then they just walk away

I mean I don't want to pick it in too much

But it's just only in there

God I'm getting, look at these guns on the streets

I'm getting ice

No flashbacks

Sorry sorry sorry

How horrific isn't it

Just horrific

Not yeah

Whoever said that they should be allowed to carry guns

In America

I need to shoot in frankly

Do you think like

How are they carrying guns here in England

Yeah where is a very rich man

You know

Yeah

So they've got no TARDIS

We've got no doctor

I love that when Graham goes

Sardis isn't it

Do you know

I thought that was sharder when I first watched this

I know I did as well

Well they don't say confirm or deny otherwise

I don't know

Because who did you do in working for

Are they working for the time laws for division

They

Sally Aver I believe

The great time lord war criminal

Yes, yes

Professor Cronotus

Yeah

What she eat in there

Did you see that?

I don't talk a bit about this

It's Mississippi Modpie

That's a bit of chocolate brown

That's something then

Oh yes, Jack

There's less

I think there are less problematic things with John Barrowman

But

Enough of a problem

That you still wince of it when you're watching it going

Okay

But as soon as you came on

I did almost sort of

Punch the exit

It just lifts

Immediately

It gets really exciting

The way I was to find her here

With this, whatever this ball thing is

But

Okay, so they walk through all the ways

And a massive bubble

Well, suddenly now she's being the doctor again

You know, quip in

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I love, sometimes there's something

Are these lines directed at

Captain Jack? Or are they directed at John Barrowman

It's like

What about the surgery and things

Yeah

Actually, I just howled when

Yes, when

It's not your needy, what does she say?

You need a lot of

Like your needy

That is not aimed at Jack Hong

That's all right

Exactly, yeah

I'll buckle it that you do nowhere out

Let's go

Yeah, how did you smuggle that in here?

Did you really want to answer that?

I've got a little look

A little look she gives

And that's me saying that

I mean, you want to pull that

Laser out of his ass in

Okay, great

I mean, he must have been

Ducing, right?

It was very clean

Sorry, sorry

You know what you're getting into right coming into this

Yeah, yeah, yeah

But a bit of pulp fiction with Crystal Walk in these sticks

I stuck that watch at my ass

Quite rude

Is this where Leo goes, yes

I've been doing it a bit of a sideline

In garlic mutants

Yeah, yeah

And he has a go to the need for being too clever

And he says that's why people don't like experts

Which is that I think Michael Gove said that

Oh really

And it become like a phrase

That was, you know, we don't like experts

I think we do quite like experts

I hear a lot of people say that

Chippers can't really do political satire

I just think he's more subtle about it than

Yeah, yeah, you know

Then the big fat windbags in

Downing Street in Avions in London

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I do find that fun as well

But I mean, obviously

There's obviously slightly more subtleness here

It's like, I script away this bit of residue

And then I just had to cultivate it

And grow it

And look what I've got

Yes, beautiful thing

And that started growing, I'll be like no

No, burn it, kill it with fire

Immediately

The scene that I thought was really strong

Was when he takes it down to the incinerator

And I thought

That's not sympathetic

Yeah, I was like

Please don't burn that bloody thing

Now I love the scene too

Where it's the blue and it's dark

And you can almost not see their faces

It's shot so beautifully in the red and the background

It's just so beautifully done

It's probably quite cost effective

Because it's just lighting it with colours

But it's gorgeous

One of my big criticisms of RTD2

Was that the contrast

Just went up on everything

Everything was so bright

Like we were talking before about the time hotel episode

It's so bright

There's no atmosphere in it at all

Remember that moment

Where sort of from RTD

We started to get to like Matt Smith

And they started to turn the lights down

With this shot here

It's beautiful with the blue and the red around it

You know the trouble with

When you got to Capaldi

They found filters

Suddenly everything was going through

Ugly blue, brown, grey filters

I was like

Whereas these are lit

Very cinematically aren't they

All light and sources within the set

Yeah, it's gorgeous

It's really useful

And that sort of face-huggery Dalek

Which I just, it's so good that

He's found something new to do

Is something that is, you know, from 1963

That he's come up with

A chibner effectively to do something

Is the body horror, the kind of

The possession, the whole new thing

To make Dalek's scary again effectively

In revolution

Revolution, revolution

Not evolution

Not even

Not even

In the last garlic episode

When, cos I'm Charlotte Rich

She was that first scene

When you see the tentacles going over

And then music's rising

And then Nick Brexit's doing a really

Sinister type voice

I was like, Chibbers, you got it

You just got it

And in this, the guy plays Leo

I think does a really good job when he's possessed

The sort of little flicker of the eyelids

And the slightly different sort of mannerisms

Yes, it's horrible

It's horrible, he's going to kill it

He's basically, he's grown this thing

And then it just grabs him

You deserve this, Leo

All right, yeah

Oh, now

I'm going to give you 15 million points

If you can tell me

The line that he says to his wife

Yeah, I'll kiss the children for me

You know, tell them what I love them

What's that from, from Plastico

And a fear?

Oh, 15 million points for that man

It's so cos it the director in hand a fear

I'll be closer

No, you may have turned your back on Dr. Hofer

It's a sizable period of time

But it never left you at all really

Never left me

No, it's so good

It's so good this

I don't know whether it's a direct call back to it

But it has the same kind of intent

It's doing the same thing, isn't it?

Well, I mean, he's not

Taking over by a darling in hand a fear

But God, that mute is so gross

So gross, this sort of legs around him

It's sort of pulses

Really like the TARDIS lit like this now

But it's sort of not on

That kind of like dark blue light

It's really nice

I kind of like that

I felt the as time went on

They just figured out how to light it

Better and better

Initially, it was a bit tricky

And they didn't really know how to shoot it either

When you got to stuff like

Do you remember the

When it was some different colours

Really like, remember when she first walks into it

And goes monument

It's like a lovely shot

It's sort of hazy, sharp

And it's dark in the background

You haven't yet seen it and she wanders in

It's like a really cinematic, beautiful, beautiful shot

I don't

I think as TARDIS's go

I don't know whether I

I think I like it, I really like it

But I don't know if I love it

I definitely don't hate it

What's your favourite then?

Yeah, I do, that's probably my favourite

The new series then

The new series, yeah

I know, I'm not sure I can top that very first one

You know, when they're going in an awfully sharp

I just think

I know, it's so big as well

Not all of this

Before it's just like a photographic projection on a wall

The grey and William's here, we're in a cupboard

And a black cupboard, you know, we're safe in it

Yeah, or you get to like, Carmel

And we're just not going to use it at all

But you imagine that vapor is coming out of it

It's a humidifier on the console

If you like vaping

Oh wait, yeah

Cherry vapes

Oh, we both said cherry

Delicious flavour

Yes, it does

So Jack here is in his prison overalls

And then the next scene is in his

Captain Jack costume

Yeah, he nicked off to look

To the wardrobe room from the Christmas Invasion

Yeah, that's awesome

And there may be

Oh, do you remember the preview

For this in Doctrine magazine

All Chippers gave him

Was this picture of the three of them

No, it was tape, I was like

I mean Chris, come on, you had so many images

You could have given them from this

Like from the prison or all this

I tell you what though, this scene

When I was a kid, I used to dream of this

Like, landing in your

You know, landing the front room

Got you

Get up off your sofa and go and have adventures

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so good

And I love seeing it in like a domestic setting

Like this, it's so

When it lands

Look at all this lens flare

They got rid of this pretty quickly

Yeah, I mean, greatly

It's, I know, it's really sort of

Digital, not real

Hello, JJ Abrams

Star Trek movies, I've got a lot to answer for

I know

It went out favour quite quickly

Fox

It's a slight moment of gay panic there on this face

I don't have any a little bit

I don't know if he's sort of maybe going to go with it

But yeah, it's shoving the doctor

She is livid

That's what my cats are like by go away for a weekend

I didn't eat for two days

Yeah

Oh, dear

I love this team though, I really do

Well, I mean, I love Dan as well

Yeah, I don't have a little family

Yeah, it felt like a little family

You can imagine them recording all this together

Stying together

It's really good

They're so, yeah, I do love them

And I don't, do you know what?

I think some people sort of slightly worry that

Jack is a bit crowbarred into this

But I quite like it and I quite like the time

When he comes into it

Well, because I think yes, he's going through stuff here

So the chat that they have in Japan

Yeah, where he says to it

It's a really well script

If I ever said one

Huge favorable thing about christian law

Is those one-on-one dialogue

It's the character moments

He can absolutely ace those

Some people are not

I know, some people aren't too

But I like them, I think it gives it time room to breathe

People like a very operatic

Characterisation in the news

And this is a little bit more

So it's all good

Yeah

In this green thing, you can hear a little noise in the background

There's exactly like in Genesis

Where Tom looks through that little green window

And the little noise

I thought they used the same one or not

Look at the size of this play

Now, is this a

An enormous space that they filmed in

Or a due discus of CGI

I think it's CGI

I think so too

Compare it to when they did

Something similar in New Earth

With all those booths

Yeah, we've come so far

Oh, I do love that as well

It's just a bit where she goes

Yes, we're going to go nuclear now

And I've got quite a good plan

I was thinking

I've bloody loved that for you

You're going to bring a load of darlics

These were Jack mentions rose

Well, yes

Oh yeah, I can't die

I'm not sure why you had to mention

She was in a parallel universe like

No, yeah

All right, Mr. Wiki

Yeah, just a full of exposition

But I like how he quite likes

Yes, doesn't he? I think

He sort of takes a shine to her in this

The character

Oh, Jack

Yeah, I mean, I'm Brian's there

What's he doing?

Brian

I don't know

Man, he always just done a good BBC comedy

Yeah, I think he has a few things

Tussin Cole

I was sort of having a look at his Wikipedia

And he has done some stuff

So I think there's a bit in this

You never have the beautiful conversation to get the later on

I think that might have been a reshoot

I can't hear

He was doing something else at the time

Which is why he's wearing that beanie hat

I just adore the fact that his last shot

Is even falling off the bike on that hill

Oh, why couldn't they let Brian go?

No

I was loving Brian

Oh, so you love it every time you see

So he goes, oh, not you guys again

You guys again

No, I haven't quite got my head around 3D printing

Perhaps you could give me a crash course now

I don't think I have either

It's sort of

I don't know if you can

Can you 3D print something this big

It looks like

I've got these dialects laid out

Like it's some kind of

Doctor Who fan sort of event

With a little bit of tape around them

Like, oh, have a look at this

No, I'm going to sound like I'm real simple to Luke

So apologies

Is it making things out of lasers

No

Okay, it's like a very thin little stringer plastic

Which is sort of like laid down

Find lay, I think

Well, there you go

Keep saying they're empty here

Like, these versions will remote control

Yeah, I think

I think they did the sort of the test

With the previous dialect story

Because that didn't have anyone in it either

And it went so well, they were like, right

Let's have an army

Yeah

Slightly unfair for your dialect operator

Oh, and there was some really economic

A bit of backstory as well

Where he says to

The Prime Minister

Oh, all of my car factories

That got shut down

Now we've found a good use for all of the equipment

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Which again, another bit of satire

So I think it wasn't like the Sunderland Nissan plant

Or whatever was going on at the time

I think there was something going on

Okay

It goes

This is the great

He hasn't only had a facelift

Does he? He's also had an act of ink transplant

As well, I think

In this John Barrowman

He hasn't it

Oh, of course he has

He wrote cyber woman, didn't he?

And day one, messed up

So never

That's sarcasm

By the way, I can still remember the night I went out

Oh god

I went, let's be done

And I haven't really watched torture since then

But really, you know what?

Mid-seasonally wrote one called countryside

Which was about a load of cannibals out in the countryside

Yeah

It was the best horror they did

Yeah

So he's hit a myth, but when he hit

Yeah

I mean, I really love this acting now

He's a really nice scene

But there is something like Jack sort of says

You don't get to choose when the doctor leaves

And you think, well, Ryan and Graver are literally about to do that

At the end of the episode

This is also about the end

Yeah, you was wrong, Jack

I do love though that he says to her

Do you know what? I mean, how many people are there?

And we're the lucky ones

And we're the ones to get the travel with the doctor

You don't really think about it that way, do you?

You think anyone could be there?

No, actually, there's only about 60 of them

Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah

And again, it's some of these things, you sort of think

Are you saying this to the character or to the actor?

Yeah

Yeah

But man, it's no slouch

No, she's so good

She is really good

I think she, when she's in situations where she has to be fearful

There's scenes in the flux

And got a village of the angels

And Annie for the Daleks

Where she just has to act with like a single tear

And she's shaking

I think she's compelling to watch, Amanda Kiel

A little bit like sort of the way Elizabeth Sladen could do

Yeah

Or Tara, but also Braver at the same time

And she can do comedy as well

Do you remember when they were coming in on those

Rope pulleys in flux

Yeah

Hello

So I'm guessing that this isn't Japan in real life

And this is Cardiff

Do you only want a bit that gives me a slight sort of suspension of disbelief issue

Maybe because it looks a little bit like the building around the corner from where

Chris Nothis

Oh really?

The reason for that

Do you know it's a square and a scum

I love the square and a scum

I love the fact she's not impressed either

She's like, all right, whatever

Do you need a lot?

Do I?

Do you not remember when this went out

I remember it was all over his social media

Right, filming himself

Watching the episode start

Yes, I'm back on the TV again

I was meant to be a bit of a surprise

But he was basically all over his social media

I love that

Are you feeling insecure because you seem to need a lot of praise?

I have a sneaky suspicion

Because I think

Moffit was very savvy behind the scenes

That he knew what was coming

I think there was a reason why Moffit didn't hire him

He should have just tipped

Chris the wink

There's a shit storm coming

Yeah, also we've got the Prime Minister at the front of Downing Street

Which is something we sort of

Got, well, not outside Downing Street

We've got the used to during lockdown

A lot of Prime Ministerial broadcasts

What do you imagine this is?

It's just sort of the sound they built in the studio

Yeah, I don't know or whether it's

Because there are sort of a couple of number tens

They used, don't they, I think

Which is my Boris, have we just shot there

With a few Daleks?

We're going to be at the Tower of London next week

So we can just come real and

But she's great

So Harriet Walter, who plays Joe here

Apparently her uncle is Christopher Lee

Really?

Oh my god, I'm going to have a look now

I can see, I can see

I mean, it's in great performance

She's not sort of gnashing the scenery like Christmas

So it's a different sort of villainy

She just wants to be in charge, doesn't she?

Well, the annoyed thing gets a trip in the TARDIS

That feels like something that should be

For your favourite character's rather than

Chris North

I fucking love the ending though, where he goes

Yes, I, you know, put myself out there

To defeat the Daleks

Everybody, please, give me a knighthood

Yeah, yeah

Water twat

Oh, this was a great speech

Daleks were insidious and clever

Like, hey, they'll spread

Until they can't be stopped

Yeah

Oh, this is it, here's our clickbait scene

Yeah, the exterminating the Prime Minister

I mean, how many Prime Minister's

We killed in Doctor Who, probably quite a few

It was killed in Aliens of London, wasn't it?

They found him banging up at the cupboard

Yeah, and I suppose

The master's Harold Saxon

Oh, we ain't got a shot

Yeah

This is probably the most public execution though

Yes, yeah, on live TV

As it says on the screen, live at Dalek Street on the BBC

You're bashing the papers on the next slide

By the way

Defensive attack

A little flashback here

Maybe to the planet Neckross

Feeding

Oh, yeah

Dead bodies being turned

That's grizzly as well, isn't it?

I mean

The Daleks in Chignol's time

Oh, if you'll forgive me

Fuckers, aren't they?

I mean, they're horrible

What's the first time in years?

As they should be

I mean, this has to be like

Yeah, with this creeping dark

Like, grizzly

Up the side of the thing

Imagine being a five-year-old watching this

Look behind you

On New Year's Day

Starting on the New Year

Face Huggers, come on

What's the first time I've had Face Huggers in the Christmas

Or Festive Special

Back

Oh my

Otherwise, it doesn't take them over

Maybe they're sort of

I don't know, dormant or something at that stage

They're not fully developed maybe

Oh, look, I love them

They're so good

Chrissy

Was you talking about Lars Christmas there

Yes, yes

Yeah, that was a good episode

That was good

Yeah

It's going to be a good episode

I love that once they all start going bad

And killing people

She still tries to bluff it, doesn't she?

Yes, absolutely

It's all right, don't worry

Technical issues, you know

I love the fact that they just indiscriminately kill people

It's properly evil

They don't just, they don't sort of go

Negotiate with people

They're just, we're going to exterminate anyone and everything

Murder spree

And I like the fact as well

And the gold Daleks turn up

And then they're just impurities

To be swept aside these things

Yeah

A bit like remembrance again

The whole sort of Daleks of a war

You are so deep at this point, Luke

Or

Or is that lovely scene with Ryan

Actually, her hair is a different length

Yeah, I think this is a reshoot

Possibly

Because they did like a test shoot

During COVID I think

I don't know if you can see

Whether they could do it safely

And I think maybe this was it

So this was a little bit after I think

I don't know if it's certain

But yeah, you look ahead

It's different, isn't it? It's longer

Really pleased that you have this moment though

And again, it's just a quiet gentle character

But where he goes basically, you know

I've had ten months at home

I love my story

I've established here now, yeah

I've sort of made peace with my dad

He'd like to keep a track and all the goplets

For Matthew Waterhouse and Tom Baker

Go on

Just the fact that those characters

Having that conversation, you wouldn't usually have

Those characters together

And you get those with all of them

Oh, I see what you mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a bit weird

It's those two

Yeah, I think you don't often get many scenes where it's just Ryan

And the doctor

No, but because he's going like it's kind of necessary

Yeah, I just like that he calls her out

He goes, no, no, we ain't pushing this to the side

That's what you always do

Tell me what happens

It's strange that you don't get

Sort of any extra agrarium though

Although she does have a lot of moments with agrarium

Like in those scenes

Yes, that's amazing, yeah

Bloody love agrarium, you know

He's so good

Those ridiculous laser shoes