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George Noory and psychologist Art Rosengarten explore his research into tarot cards and how to read the images on the cards, how long it takes for the predictions of the cards to come true, and his encounter with the spirit of a girl during an investigation.
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And welcome back to coast to coast, George.
Nori with you, Art Rosin.
Carden with us, his website is linked up at coastacostam.com.
How many books do you have out there now, Art?
I've got four books in my fifth one.
I told you Hollywood stories coming out.
So that would be my fifth.
Good for you.
Now the interpreter of the tarot cards.
How do they know?
How do you know what they begin to say when you pull a card?
Well, so there's two levels, George.
First, I think it is important that you study
and you study the tarot and you learn the tarot
from established experts that each card
has a spectrum of agreed upon meanings.
And once you have a kind of a basic education in the tarot deck,
then you can trust more.
You're intuitive take on it within that kind of established
meaning for each card.
And that's where the art form of reading tarot
comes when you know the deck.
And now you can allow your own kind of intuitions
and psychic talents to kind of move into it and work with it.
That's very important, too, though, isn't it?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
But one of the things about psychics
that I have known who use the tarot,
and many of them are marvelous psychics,
and they use the tarot, but they don't know the tarot.
They're not really taroists.
They use the tarot.
They'll see some image within one card,
and they'll springboard their own kind of psychic reading
off of those images.
They don't necessarily know tarot the way a tarot professional
should know the tarot.
And so like in my first book, Tarot and Psychology,
Spectrums of Possibility, in the back,
I have a lexicon for each card coming
from years of research and incorporation
of all the major tarot scholars over the last 300 years
for each card.
And then I boil it down to phrases and key words.
So anybody can use a good tarot lexicon.
All you need is just to be kind of guided
to the basic spectrum of it in a phrase,
and then you can kind of freelance from there.
All right, I'm sure over the years you've tracked your readings
for accuracy.
I'm going to put you on the spot for a second.
How accurate are you?
OK, so my stock answer is assuming
that someone is coming with the one requirement sincerity,
I would modestly say to you, George, I'm 100% accurate.
However, hold on.
Accurate is not accurate.
It's not about accuracy.
It's about relevance.
Accurate is kind of a misnomer.
I mean, what's accurate?
Are we comparing it to what we already know and think to be true
and determine whether that means it's accurate
because it agrees with our known understanding?
Or is a reading on some level relevant to what's going on now?
And I would say if a person is sincere,
they will always find relevance in a reading.
Always.
With my readings, I would say so.
I have a provision when people come to me for readings.
I have it written down to my website.
If after the reading you find there was no relevance at all in the reading,
then I won't charge you.
You'll get your money back.
Have you ever had anything strange or bizarre happen doing a reading art?
Oh, yes, of course.
Do tell.
Do tell.
OK, well, I was thinking of a good coast to coast.
Kind of story of in that way.
So I was, George, I was teaching the Los Angeles tarot circle
for about 10 years.
And I started a new class in Orange County at a woman's house
who was familiar with my work.
And she offered to allow us to meet at her house.
I think she's a coast listener.
Her name is Terry.
Very nice lady.
So I got, I went up.
We had in first, in the first class there was five women.
And I recall, you know, what I often do before the class started,
I stopped off at a coffee shop and went over, you know,
I do a lot of slideshows and a lot of computer stuff in my lecture part.
And I checked everything out.
Everything was working fine.
And when I got to her house, I said everything up.
And then the new, the new tarot students came.
And I turned on my projector to start, to start.
And my projector kept on turning off.
I didn't know what was going on because it never happened like this before.
So I said, OK, we won't use the projector.
Let's do introductions.
So we went around the room and each person kind of introduced themselves.
Like I said, five women.
And the class was, the class went on and it was fine.
However, the following two weeks later, when we had our second class,
there was only four women decay.
And we were going around kind of reintroducing ourselves.
We were just met.
And I said, well, there was a woman sitting right over there to the right of me,
but she's not here.
Does anybody remember her name?
And everybody in the class said, yeah, I remember her kind of,
but I can't think of her name.
And I said, OK, well, we'll just move on and we'll do our class.
So we did.
So at the end of the class, and again, I set up my projector
and my projector wasn't working.
I didn't know what was going on.
It never happened before like a, so at the end of the class,
everybody left except the woman whose house I was in.
And I was kind of apologetic, and I was like, sorry, my computer wasn't working.
I don't know what was going on.
She said, it's not your computer.
I said, what do you mean?
She said, well, I didn't want to say anything before, but I have a ghost.
I said, you have a ghost?
Really?
What does what do you mean?
She said, well, you probably know that it's
been known that so-called ghost energies can interfere with electronics, et cetera.
And she says, I have think problems with the toaster and things
like that breaking down all the time.
And I said, wow, that's pretty interesting.
And she said, well, when I moved into this house three years ago,
or whatever number of years, because my sister lived next door,
we started having all these weird phenomena going on in the house.
And I was very curious about it.
I mean, it felt like there was a ghost in this house.
So my sister and I went down to the Orange County Registry newspaper
and researched the cell of the house and did a little more digging.
And we found out that a girl had been murdered in the house.
A girl that kind of by her stepfather terribly
grew some kind of awful story.
And I believe that that girl that was in my class,
and other people saw too, was this young woman now living in the house.
So yeah, I had a ghost come in my class.
I thought that was interesting, George.
That's cool.
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Yeah.
Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to write.
It was Ty's book, actually, that got me thinking about it.
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Yes.
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for your other basic occupation.
Do you ever read the tarot cards?
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely.
I think one of them might be listening tonight.
I told her that I'd be on.
Now, not, I would say for maybe about 20% of my clients
are open enough for me to suggest.
Maybe we'll try, maybe we'll bring in some tarot
and take a look at how that kind of fits into what we've
been working on for the last months.
And people say, sure, let's try that.
It's always excellent.
And typically, I'll do a reading in 50 minute hour.
And then we'll spend the next four or five sessions,
just going back into the reading and just maybe
associating with two or three cards for a whole session
and talk about that and look at the dynamics
between in different spread positions
and what sorts of parts of herself or her life,
or life story, whatever, these things
are tell talking to her about.
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You're interpreting a dream.
And it's very productive.
It's quite interesting.
That's fascinating.
It truly is.
Yeah.
Since you've been doing this,
you've also dabbled with crop formations?
Yes.
Now, actually, what happened there?
Well, I went on a crop circle expedition
with someone who's been on your show, Barbara Lamb.
Do you know Barbara?
Yeah.
And I went to England and Wolfshire County
where near Stonehenge, where most of the crop circle activity
was, I was very fascinated in that.
And what I wanted to do was to read the tarot cards
inside a crop circle.
So I was very fortunate because a new circle had just formed
that the night before we went on an expedition.
You know, the copies, as they're called,
that live in that area, they all communicate online
about new sightings of new circles, et cetera.
It just appeared like four o'clock in the morning
out of nowhere, this large, amazing crop circle,
geometric shape in the middle of the wheat fields, you know?
And so I was among the first, I would say,
30 or 40 people to trek out to this circle
with my small group.
And it was really extraordinary.
And I sat in the center of the circle
and I took out my deck and I did a reading.
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What is the message that the creators of this circle
were trying to tell us in this manifestation?
And I have a picture right on my computer right now
that was taken of that reading right in front of me now.
It was a five-card reading with, you know,
my own deck, which is Tower of the Nine Paths.
And it was really fascinating.
And my take from it was that it was definitely
that it was definitely some kind of interdimensional
or alien intelligence that was through the Tower of it
was communicating that we see what's happening
on your planet and we're so worried and concerned
because you're, you know, particularly with the climate
crisis and global warming and the craziness of, you know,
the politics and it's not just you're concerned.
The whole galaxy is very, very worried about Earth
which is extremely rare and precious and important place
and that there is trouble coming and you need to wake up
now to start getting it together
because we, you know, it's not just your planet that's at stake.
The universe right now is feeling the effects
of the craziness that's going on on the blue planet.
So it was a very powerful experience for me.
When we take calls next to our art,
do you want a question from the listener?
Are you just going to give us one question?
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but I'm going to interpret them whatever your question is.
I'm going to try to approach related to your question
and you can take what you get from it and we'll move to the next person.
So I can hopefully do as many as I can be very quick.
Generally, when you do a reading, when does the effect take place?
How long does it take before you get a feeling for it?
But it will, you need to let it marinate.
You can maybe write down some of what I'm saying.
And as you sit with it more intuitively, I think associations will get richer
and deeper and sometimes it will be like a whole week or several weeks
that you'll sit with the information and it will get more crystal clear to you.
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