TDS Time Machine | Iran: Behind the Veil w/ Jason Jones

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Last week, we sent our own senior foreign correspondent, Jason Jones, to Iran.

Really, we did that.

I was stupid.

Obviously, we didn't know that we were going to be a dictatorial and somewhat violent crack.

Now, Mr. Jones did get out of Iran before the election from what we've been told.

But we believe the reports he will be filing starting tonight present an interesting snapshot

of a nation unaware of the destiny of the country.

That was the first time he had ever been in a country like this.

That was a very good question.

Now, Mr. Jones did get out of Iran before the election from what we've been told.

But we believe the reports he will be filing starting tonight present an interesting snapshot

of the fear of the destiny which awaits it.

Tonight, the first of Jason Jones reports.

The Islamic Republic of Iran, a nation in upheaval, a powder cake waiting to explode.

But as we empathize with these courageous souls who are risking their lives to take a stand for democracy in the face of oppression,

let us not forget these people are evil.

But just what is it that makes them so evil?

I hadn't signed up for Twitter, so the only way to find out was to go and see for myself.

As I touched down at Comaini Airport on my 36th birthday, I was completely alone.

No American embassy, no alcohol, not even exposed ankles to Lyrat.

Even leaving the hotel presented potential risk.

Red wire, blue wire.

But I assured my producer Tim Greenberg that as long as he was with me, there was nothing to fear.

First up, I made contact with my translator, Makhmoud.

We headed to a coffee shop off a Zadi square for a clandestine meeting with Iranian journalist Masyar Bahari.

I was told he'd go by the codename Pastashio, and I would recognize him by...

Oh, I didn't see you there.

I asked him the question on every Westerners mind.

Why was his country so terrifying?

In one word, misunderstanding. The two sides they don't understand each other.

They don't know the values of the other side, they don't know how to talk to the other side.

And actually I've written about that for Newsweek magazine several times.

Yeah, I didn't understand a word of that.

Makhmoud, can you translate this for me please?

Yes, he's saying that he has written about this problem that you have in Newsweek magazine and you can read about it.

Okay, what did he say?

He said that I said I've written about it for Newsweek magazine several times.

I'm going to need someone to speak English.

The one thing I could understand was that this entire country is evil.

The first thing to know about Iran is that it's not evil.

Iranians and Americans, they have much more in common than they have difference.

What do I have in common with you?

Who is number one in the United States? Al-Qaeda.

Al-Qaeda is also the number one enemy of Iran.

According to Al-Qaeda members, any Shia, any Iranian has to be killed.

And if you kill any Iranian, you would go to heaven and you will have 72 virgins.

Enough of his Western educated Newsweek double speak.

The real seething anger was on the streets.

American people are nice people.

Yeah, I like America.

The people are really friendly, very good people.

I like the people. I have friends in America.

A less well-trained eye might not see through their deceptions.

So when did you start hating Americans?

To hating Americans?

What do you mean?

Hated?

Never.

No, no. We never hate them.

We're just trying to do a thing here where we say Iranians hate Americans.

Can you just do that for me?

You would like me to hate too?

Yeah, could you?

To hate?

Yeah, please.

No. Why not?

I'm not hate. I'm Americans.

I'm not hate, but it's not.

Apparently they didn't feel free to express their hatred for us in public.

So Makhmoud secured an invitation to a private Iranian home.

Hello. Hello.

Hi. How are you?

I'm well. Thank you.

Oh.

You have a beautiful cave.

Thank you.

If I could just earn their trust,

I could finally pierce this minor society and expose their true feelings.

Our meeting began with traditional small talk.

It was clear that I was going to have to break the ice.

So what did one Jewish bird say to the other Jewish bird?

Cheap, cheap.

Right?

Because they're cheap.

You know, and they look like birds with their big noses.

Wow. That joke went right over their heads.

We don't hate Jews, we don't hate anybody actually.

We don't hate America.

As the night wore on, it became painfully obvious.

Engagement with these people was futile.

The gap was too wide.

The conflict was inevitable.

This is your birthday cake.

You're like my perfect family.

Thank you.

People weren't for that guy.

The look on his face told me one thing.

I wasn't getting my carton of cigarettes back from his daughter.

It looked like I was in for a very long week.

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Honestly, the situation in Iran is fluid and very dangerous.

And much more fluid and dangerous than we thought it was going to be

when we sent Jason Jones there.

So, while he had gone to Iran and pursued a comedy piece,

he met some people who were in pursuit there of much more.

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Iran scares us.

But who scares Iran?

The elderly leader of the freedom movement, Ibrahim Yazdi,

was arrested from his thick bed yesterday.

Amongst those arrested, Muhammad Abtai,

a leading reformist and former vice president.

Newsweek magazine's Maziyah Bahari

was detained without charge Sunday morning.

Luckily, just two weeks ago,

I was able to sit down with the axis of evils,

axis of evil.

First up, Ibrahim Yazdi,

one glimpse of his fearsome visage

and his trained attack,

lovebirds, told me all I needed to know.

I'd have to play this one carefully.

My name?

Ibrahim Yazdi.

I'm just going to call you Colonel Sanders.

I don't have any sun featuring you.

You'd make a lot of money with the sandwich shop.

Well, I'm satisfied with what I have.

But there are some things this leader of Iran's freedom movement

is not so satisfied with.

I am opposing American deeds in Iran.

I'm opposing American policy towards Iran.

So I think that the American's religions actually help

the heartliner in Iran, the former president.

Bush called Iran the axis of evil.

Why did he call you the axis of evil, though?

Ask him?

Well, I know why.

You're evil.

How can you prove that we are evil?

You're part of an axis.

We are not.

You don't have anything to do with Saddam Hussein

or with the North Korea.

You are looking at your own picture in the mirror.

Well, that's what I'd like to look at.

Well, so obviously we need to cooperate

while you don't look at that angle.

And it's just that kind of intolerance

that led the government to drag him from his hospital bed

and throw him in prison.

But he was nothing compared to Iranian-born newsweek contributor

Masyar Bahari and his message of radical reasonableness.

I think people shouldn't stop saying that's an American in Iran.

You know, if you say that's an America,

the other part says that's axis of evil.

And the both sides are idiots, basically.

Wait, did he just call us all idiots?

No wonder they arrested him

from his mother's home without charging him.

It was clear I'd been too soft and engaging with Iran.

With my final subject, Muhammad Ali Abtahi

I would not show weakness.

Hello.

How are you?

Let's come see you down.

Thank you.

You know what?

I'm not going to do this.

I can't sit down here without any preconditions.

Okay?

So unless you agree to my preconditions,

I am not sitting down to interview you.

You tell him that.

No, I'm not telling you.

It's a great punishment because it was so painful.

I was so hurt that he said that's a great punishment.

But it is unacceptable that you can sit down.

Are you accepted?

Yes.

I didn't think you were going to do that.

Preconditions.

Preconditions.

Parconditions.

I want to sit in this chair.

Yes.

Is this for you?

Yes.

for you. Yeah, I will. It is for me. Next, I want to take home this book. This one,

Dictionary of Religious Terms. Yes, this is a gift to you. Yeah, I will take it as a gift.

Okay, it's just going easier than I thought. But things went quickly downhill as he threw

one bum shell after another. I have an institute about dialogue between religions and I have written

a lot about women's rights. You are pro women's rights? Certainly. Nuclear weapons. No. You don't

support a nuclear bomb in Iran. No. In Iran or in any country. You sound like a threat to me.

Which one is a threat? You are a threat. Bye. You are a threat to every caricature of an Islamic

cleric I have ever seen. In the conservative newspapers, they say the same thing. But I'm not scary

as you can see from what I write in my web blog every day. You got a blog? Yes. Oh, God. Can someone

give me a real cleric in here please? Perhaps we'll all sleep a little easier tonight knowing

these men are off the street and not making spooky predictions about the future. If I say anything

juvenile or even slightly offensive, I would like not to be arrested. I would also like a promise

that they don't arrest me. Jason Jones. Now right now, with me tonight, we're very

pleased to have the son of Ibrahim Yazdi, who we just saw in the piece, seems to be a very lovely man

and yet was arrested. When was he arrested? Last week, right? The election. And they took him from

his hospital in Iran. Right, in Tehran. Do you have any updates for us? Yeah, I spoke within

this morning. After he got ill when he was in prison, they took him back to the hospital and he

had an emergency procedure and he's recovering now in the hospital. Now, so he's in the hospital.

Now, what measures is the Iranian government taking now to prevent his escape? Because clearly,

this man is a threat and I don't know. I don't know. Is he feeling optimistic? Is he feeling

pessimistic? He's usually a very optimistic person, but this morning, he was really down.

In his mind, what does he think? What's got him feeling that way now? It's the hundreds of people

who have been rounded up and historically they've not been treated well. So in 1999, when

similar uprising happened, people that were caught on video tapes, they were held for decades,

simply because they showed up in the video of demonstrations. So we're all very, very concerned

for the people who are in this demonstrations who have been arrested, rounded up, both reform

leaders and people have just picked up in the streets. Why are they picking them up? It's a good

question. They're afraid of them. That's a good question. I think that's a question we should ask

the Iranian government. What can anybody do anything here? What can anybody do?

I think we can let the Iranian government know that the world is watching them, maybe send

letters and ask the question of the Iranian embassies around the world, say, what's happening?

Why are you doing this? We don't understand what we're seeing on TV. Please explain to us why you

feel it necessary to do this. What about the idea that America being a very easy scapegoat for them?

And the idea, if we do anything, we're seeing as meddling and would cause the demonstrators

more harm than good. That's true. That's why I think if people did it themselves, it would be more

effective. Rather than government, but from the people. I think so, yeah. That would be more effective.

Well, we please keep in touch and let us know how things go for your father and we can't tell you

how much we appreciate you coming in and how much we appreciated your father speaking to us

over there and just what a lovely man that everybody who met him thought he was and he can't

wait till he gets back out. Thank you. It's great to see you. Thank you so much. We'll be right back.

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When Jason Jones went to Iran, he had no idea what he would find.

Because he thought we were sending him to France.

It's quite a prank. But the biggest surprise turned out to be the people.

Here's part three of Jason Jones' report behind the veil.

I had come to Iran to learn what this country we've been cut off from for decades was all about.

I immersed myself in their customs, their food, their drink.

What kind of country has a drinking hose beside the toilet?

Stupid.

And their language.

I studied Arabic for 10 months.

But after 30 years with no diplomatic relations, was their knowledge of us frozen in time?

Who is the president of the United States?

No, Mr Obama. Who is our current president of the United States?

Please, too, can play at that game. It was time for

G-H-H-D-Wogging. And mom square versus time square.

Tell me who is the current president of Iran?

How's your father, John, or something like that?

Did you miss him? Did you miss him?

Say it again?

Just miss him.

Okay, but can they do any better?

Mr Bush?

Before him?

Clinton. Yeah, before Clinton, his father, they thought about Mr Bush.

Yeah, before that Bush?

Before that Bush, it was Mr Reagan.

Mr Reagan, yeah.

Before him?

Carter it.

No, Mr Carter, yeah.

Well, it's not so bad, so I don't know if I should read the read.

Washington, Lincoln, Kennedy.

It's a hard name to say.

Who's the speaker of the house?

Mrs Pelosi.

Okay, but who's the minority whip?

I don't know.

Yeah, Sky doesn't know who the minority whip is.

I remember Mr Ford also.

I remember Mr Ford, and before Ford, the water gate happened.

Yeah, what was his name?

His name was Nixon, yeah.

Nixon, yeah.

All right.

How about a little geography?

What's the name of a country in the Middle East that starts with I and is not a rock?

A country in the Middle East?

I don't know.

Los Angeles.

New York?

Name a city in Iran.

Karan?

No.

That's their holy book.

Oh, San Jose, Breque, and Syracuse.

I-R-A.

I don't know.

I-R-A-N-India.

Iran.

Iran?

Doesn't ring a bell.

The country of Iran.

I never heard of it.

Washington?

What district is it in?

Fine, but these were Diji-eating liberal urban elites.

I needed to find some real Iranians,

so I headed out into the countryside.

Deep, deep into the countryside.

Goatherter, it's go time.

Detroit.

Detroit.

Detroit.

Okay, so who is in a Red Wings fan?

Udica.

How the f**k have you heard of Udica?

You put that in America.

Until.

What is a city in Iran?

Toronto.

Yes!

Not so fast, Iran.

What is America's Independence Day?

Independence Day.

It is sort of July.

Of what year?

In a 1,776.

No, current president of Iran.

Akhbidinijan.

Oh, here we go!

If you name the three branches of the American government.

Government?

Yeah.

Legislative?

Yeah.

Judiciary?

Yes.

And the Buru Classy.

What's the name?

Wrong executive.

Executive, executive, yeah, exactly.

You don't know nothing about the states.

I don't know.

Name the Supreme Leader.

Come in here.

Ahahahaha!

Shook it along!

Woo!

Ah, victory was sweet.

But I realized these people deserve not scorn,

but pity.

After all, they are completely cut off from the Western world.

I work for a TV show called The Daily Show.

The Daily Show?

John Stewart?

Hello, John.

I'm a fan.

How are you?

Yeah, you have two more regards to John.

You watch The Daily Show?

I do.

I'm the designer.

Yeah, you know?

Jason Jones, what do you have to say?

Good night!

Jason Jones completes his journey behind the veil.

A steering portrait of one fake reporter's trip to the very real Iran.

At what was both the best and worst time possible, enjoy.

As I had witnessed, Iran is many things,

but with 70% of its population under 30,

more than anything, it's a country of young people.

But who are they?

And what are they into?

What would you call these pantaloons?

It's diesel.

The brand?

Diesel?

Yeah.

Diesel?

Yeah.

And you're top?

Dolce and Gabana?

Dolce and Barbana.

It's from Italy.

And what about your footwear?

It's Adidas.

Adidas?

Yeah.

That's a native brand?

Yeah, it's a limited edition.

They shared with me their games.

The second wins on the stage!

Second's the best!

And I shared ours.

Okay, this is in football.

Okay?

Well, this is football.

Football!

Yeah, football!

All they needed was a little East Texas style encouragement.

Shelby, I want you on a 20-yard break.

I want you on a 30-yard flyrower.

I want you on a 80-yard post.

Okay.

On three break.

One, two, three, break!

Okay.

That's all right.

Blue!

45!

Blue, no.

Okay, that's not going to work.

Okay, hot.

Hot means give me the ball.

Blue!

45!

Blue!

This blue sound like a hutch.

Blue!

Watch the safety.

Watch the safety.

Blue, put him on it.

Blue, blue, blue, hot.

Yes, go.

All you guys go.

Go along.

I got a large strength.

Go, yes!

Oh, no.

You guys really aren't taking this seriously enough.

Okay, I know it's called a pig skin, okay?

But it's not against your religion to catch it.

Second down.

It looked like they were getting the hang of it.

Sort of.

Despite their government's best efforts,

the youth here are connected to the world

with Facebook, Twitter,

and Yo-D, drop that beat.

Hip hop.

That's underground rapper Hish Kost.

His music may be banned by the government,

but he still has everything an American rapper has.

The studio, the posse,

and the, is that a peeking ease?

Okay, maybe this guy could use a little help.

Okay, that was good.

I've got some notes.

My lyrics are influenced by our Iranian heritage.

Rap has poetry, and Persian poetry is very strong.

What do you rap about?

Social issues, street issues,

moral issues.

Okay, but specifically, like,

guns, holes, bitches.

You know, the rap here is very different.

It's about something real.

And we feel we shouldn't have bad influence on people.

You got a lot to learn about rap, pal.

But check this.

Yo, drop the beat.

Hi, I'm Eddie Varshan's The Wee, me, your rock.

Now I'm rolling down the street, some beats to run.

Stuffing by the mocks to get my, is one more.

Then I popped from my hookah to my head, gets easy.

Even I'm a Danish, I think, is that, I'm crazy.

I'm an old-school Persian, updated version.

Big slapping on this broad, and some version.

And rich like Iranian.

That's why I'm Iranian.

You never find my missiles, because they're all subterranean.

I'm assuming you're laughing means you like it.

Oh, there, there, there.

Yes.

Though if you want to analyze it professionally,

the meter was not correct.

Get out of here, you don't know nothing about rap.

And with that, my time in Iran was up.

What began in fear had ended in understanding.

I had immersed myself in their culture,

sampled their delicacies.

But as I watch what's happening there now,

I know that somewhere in that sea of faces are the same people I admit.

People who were gracious enough to take me into their homes,

in schools, and coffee shops.

People who indulge my ass and eye in questions,

people I hope will be safe,

and not be harmed or arrested for the simple act of wearing green,

and wanting a voice.

Jason Jones and Tim Greenberg.

Nice job, guys.

Is Jason Jones an intrepid producer, Tim Greenberg?

Spent 10 days in Iran and came back with amazing work and amazing pictures

that revealed a certain part of Iran that I think many of us hadn't seen before.

So congratulations, great job.

What's next? What's the next assignment?

North Korea.

We're going to Argentina.

All right.

Yes, I know it's one and the other.

Yes, we'll be right back.

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Welcome back, my guests tonight.

A reporter for Newsweek Magazine who spent 118 days in an Iranian prison.

He was released in October.

Please welcome to the program, Maziar Bahari.

Sir!

How's it going?

It's going fine.

Very nice.

You were imprisoned in Iran.

Yes.

Because of you.

Because?

No, I'm just kidding, no.

Well, we had sent Jason Jones over there

and you agreed to be interviewed with him

and Jason wore a Kafea and dark sunglasses

and pretended to be a spy.

As it turns out,

your interrogators...

They didn't have a sense of humor,

so they did not understand.

Yeah.

Well, I don't know if the sketch was not funny

or they didn't have a sense of humor,

but I think I know what it is.

I was the victim.

I don't care. I was the victim.

Here was the crazy part.

So we obviously, we didn't know

that all this tumult was going to happen after the election.

So we got in contact with you

before we ran the piece to say,

okay, to run, are you going to be okay?

And you answered...

Let me see if I have a quote there.

Yes.

I have no problem, especially the part

where I call Ahmedina Jot a moron.

Yes.

I would like to communicate with the rest of the world

as much as possible.

Looking back,

do you wish you'd answered differently?

Yes.

No, but you know,

I thought that maybe they cancelled my press card

present for two or three days,

maybe a week, and just let me go.

But it's charging me with espionage

because of an interview with Jason,

you know, it was

beyond my wildest dreams.

It is, you know, we hear so much about the banality of evil,

but so little about the stupidity of evil.

It's evil is stupid, you know.

I'm sure that, you know.

You know, whenever you take anything

to the extremes,

you see the humor in it,

you see the stupidity in it.

And I think what the Iranian government did

and what my interrogator

as the representative of the Iranian government

was doing to me was stupid

and funny at the same time.

It was not funny

while I was in the interrogation room.

Well,

blindfolded in a dark room.

Right.

And being beaten, you know, that was not funny.

But when I was going back to myself,

I had to laugh.

I mean, that was my defense mechanism, you know.

And I say comedy is

imprisonment plus time.

Exactly.

And, you know, my interrogator

for some reason, after a while, he became my muse.

And I never told him,

but he gave me ideas.

You know, he was so

exaggerated in whatever he did

that, you know, he just gave me ideas.

And I just,

I just laughed at him.

You know, you write about, it's all so

Dostoevsky or

this crazy existentialist nightmare

that you're entering into.

But he was obsessed with the idea

that you had been to New Jersey.

Yes, yeah.

But this is true.

Yeah, yeah.

You know what's for him?

New Jersey sounded like the most

American place that you could be.

And he thought that New Jersey

is paradise on earth.

And, you know, he thought that New Jersey is a place

where people drink all the time.

They have sex all the time.

And, Bert, there are no Jews.

Oh, no.

So...

Apparently, the exception to the rule.

I didn't get to do any of that stuff.

I never told him about it, too.

It's funny and tragic and horrible

because this is a man invested

with a great deal of power.

He is in the revolutionary guard in Iran.

He was a revolutionary guard

and he was in charge of my life, you know.

I had to be very respectful of him.

I had to be very deferential.

You know, I always had to call him sir.

And whenever I was...

Whenever I wanted to answer back,

I was always saying that, you know,

I baked a differ,

but you're stupid.

You know, I never said that.

I always had to respect him.

And he had a lot of power.

I mean, he...

And, you know, one thing that was very smart

was that I was not confronting the system.

I was not confronting the government.

They made him in charge of my life.

So it was as if that he had a personal grudge against me.

Not that, you know, I was tried

or I was imprisoned by the Iranian government.

They made it more personal.

He came to arrest me.

He was my interrogator.

And on the last day,

just the night before I left Iran,

he told me that we can arrest you,

wherever you are.

We can always bring you back in a bag.

So he wanted to pretend that he was in charge of me.

But that also points to as

ludicrous and ridiculous

as some of their evidence against you clearly is.

Their methodology is very sophisticated

and it's clear they've learned a lot of lessons

from the Shah.

And from their oppression of the Iranian people

and it speaks to so many different layers.

You see, many people in charge of the Iranian government

now, they were imprisoned at the Shah's time,

during the Shah's time.

And they were tortured in the Shah's time.

So it is the tortured who've become torturers.

And they know how to inflict torture.

They know how effective psychological torture can be.

One thing, I mean, one day it was interesting

because he told me that he,

I've worked a lot in Iraq and he knew that.

And he told me that, you know,

we treat our prisoners more humanly

than the Americans they treat their prison.

We don't do things that the Americans do in

Abu Ghraib like, you know, making human

pods or putting leashes on prisoners.

And, you know, I never told him that.

But I was thinking that, yes,

the Americans are doing those horrendous things

because they don't know what they're doing.

So they have to do those stupid,

but horrendous things.

But you guys, you know exactly what you're doing.

You know how to inflict psychological torture on people.

You know how to use people who are nervous.

There's a sophistication to their thuggery in a way

that they don't have.

The big lesson here is the revolutionary guard

are now really in control of Iran.

They are the ones.

Yeah, they are.

We cannot say that they are in charge of everything,

but they are taking over all these strategic positions,

including the nuclear program.

And they are they now Pakistan

or they are military dictatorship now, or is it?

No, Iran can never become a military dictatorship.

And that's what they cannot, they haven't learned from history.

You see, they are trying to have a military dictatorship

in Iran, but they will fail.

And they are basically undermining their own authority

in the long run, what why they're doing.

And you know, there are dangerous for the country,

they're dangerous for the region, for the world,

but also they're dangerous for themselves.

And they will fall.

They will fall eventually.

I don't know.

I'm not saying that they will fall next year,

or in two years, or ten years,

but when you're looking at Iran's three thousands of history,

ten years, or fifty years, event is not much.

It's an incredible story, and I urge everyone to read

what you wrote about it in Newsweek.

And we actually have an idea for another bit,

so I was just wondering if you...

I didn't think so.

It's really wonderful to see a safe and sound and back family.

It's great to see you.

Thank you very much.

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