Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze (Feed Drop)

The past returns my son.

It is time to seek our answers.

Some are the very questions of our origin.

A sewer, our transformation.

But the answers have always been made, hidden in the past.

Until now.

Good evening, good evening.

I'm Leonardo.

I'm Michelangelo.

Don't tell him.

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Rob Lee here for a brand new episode of Let's Watch It Again.

My movie review, retrospective podcast, and today.

I have with me a photographer, a photojournalist, educator, and a friend.

I'll say friend.

He's one of my buddies here, and he's been on this podcast a number of times.

And he's back to discuss with me, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, the secret of the news.

So I have with me today, Isaiah Winters.

Welcome back to Let's Watch It Again.

Bro, I'm so glad to be here.

Thanks for having me back.

It's been a minute.

I'm glad we're reconnecting, and what a movie to be reconnecting over men.

Oh my God, this one kind of brought me back in a million ways.

For those of you who don't know, I live in New York now.

My family is from here, so this is like the most New York movie ever.

We're going to get into that, and all the details of it.

But no, this was a great one to jump back into, man. It's always a pleasure.

Yes, I mean, I had the chance to get on to, you know, I like these revivals, right?

Especially when there's an anniversary year, and this is the 35th anniversary for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2,

the Secret of the U's.

And, you know, I went down to Georgetown, actually, to see it.

It was an event I was going to go to awesome cons.

I get all of my nerdy stuff in.

So I was like, hey, it's an opportunity for me and my brother to get up and go see this.

And this movie came out, I was six.

My brother was five, and I think we saw it on VHS, but not in the theater.

So this is a whole experience, you know?

Yeah, I was two when this came out.

So I'm like, it had to have been on tape.

I mean, we had everything on tape, but it doesn't feel that way.

Like, I feel like all these movies, the Power Rangers movies, Batman, whatever it was,

these were like cultural events.

Like, if you were kid and you didn't see these, like, what's going on in your household?

What's happening?

We need to get you to a blockbuster, whatever family video, whatever it is to see the show.

But that's crazy.

Like, when you said it was a 35th anniversary, and like, they saw the screenings I looked it up,

it was like, damn, I had to for a second think like, how old am I?

It really kind of is one of those things was like, oh, like it hit me in the chest.

But I'm happy.

And it's good that they're kind of doing so many more of these like revival screenings.

Like you said, it's a good opportunity to connect with like friends and family and kind of just like tap in.

And this is a perfect, this is a good movie for that.

Like, everyone has a different association with the Turtles, different generations with it.

Like, it's kind of cool how they've been able to maintain.

I just had the super corny.

So my dad was at the studio space, the home studio space recently.

And I have like toys in my place.

I have so many toys in there.

Come on.

We all got a minor hidden.

But they're here.

Yeah.

If you knock on a wall three times, you kind of scratch tournament.

It all kind of opens up.

Trust.

Trust.

I got the Turtles merch.

So I have like my recording gear.

I go in there almost like I'm a Batman like side character.

I mean, all of my gear in these battery packs.

But on top of that unit, I have a few bobble heads.

And some of the old turtle figures, some of these custom ones, pops.

And I have all of the figures from Mutant Mayhem, the most recent joke that came out.

And so I had one, I had one, so the turtle I always rocked with when I was younger.

Oh, this is good.

Yeah.

Who is your turtle?

It's kind of like a Michael Jackson Prince conversation.

Right.

So, yeah.

I was young.

It was Leonardo.

Now it's more Raffio.

I mean, the world has just been hard on those bro.

Who are you?

That makes sense.

Hey, no.

Hold on.

Now I'm starting to rethink it.

I was definitely Leonardo as a kid.

Like, I feel like that's, you know, he's kind of that in between.

But it's funny that you said now, rap, because when I was younger, it's like, damn.

Like, why is rap mad all the time?

Like, bro, stomping around in his tams, his butters.

Like, why is he always getting into some shit and then like, cause and trouble.

But you're right now, like, especially being back here in the city.

There's just, I'll be in the grocery store.

Someone looked at me the wrong way.

And I'm like, bro, like, I have to do this right now.

Like, I'm so tired.

So I feel like rap was spiritually like in his thirties and forties.

Like, at the time that they were teenagers.

Exactly.

And I think the thing with the sort of thing around, like the weapons that they have.

Like, you know, because Raphael's so aggressive.

What have you?

He has defensive weapons.

And because Leonardo is just like, you have so much restraint.

You have the deities weapons.

Right.

Right.

But what I did when I went there, my brother, I had, he's a Michelangelo through and through.

He's always been a Michelangelo.

There's always a, there's like a cousin or a sibling.

That's a Mikey and you're like, yo, you're tweaking, bro.

So I have one of the figures, one of the original joints that was in the studio.

And I was like, hey, Rudy is Mikey.

He's like, yo, you got your Mikey.

I was like, yes.

So you know, put that in your space.

Don't lose it.

You know, you have like one of your figures to kind of carry on because.

Hold on to it.

There's selling these things back to us, you know.

So I want to go into a few details about the movie and some observations and watching it.

You know, as I was saying, I was down in Georgetown.

I saw it in this revival, I think from Fathom, Ohio, and it was, it was pretty good.

And, you know, having a revival, they had a short, it had a short like film segment with Eastman,

which was really cool.

Oh, that's dope.

And it was like, maybe seven, ten minutes and they were talking about the last Ronan.

And they actually shot something that I was like, is that right?

Are they in a costume?

I was like, yo, this is pretty fire.

Um, so here's the tagline.

I don't even know if you remember this tagline for this movie.

Okay.

Back by Bodacious Demand.

What the hell right there?

Bodacious.

What?

What is that supposed to be bodacious?

Today you must say bodacious in the movie.

Am I like to live in my mind?

They do not.

There is some like 60 year old white dude in an office somewhere in the marketing team.

Who wrote that?

That doesn't make any sense.

Okay.

He fist popped when he wrote, he's like, that's the one.

Yeah.

That's it.

We got it.

So always in doing these, always like to look at, um, you know, when you look at the cast and all of that,

that it's only one real cast thing I want to talk about.

Yeah.

But I want to go into some of the details around it.

Um, I look at Rotten Tomatoes, but I think letter box is always really good.

I think IMDB is always really good to have all of those.

I got them all pulled up.

Yeah.

And so for Rotten Tomatoes, they've got like over what 100,000 ratings since about a 67 is the

number I'm seeing.

That's good.

Um, letter box, which, you know, a snobs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A little lower.

It's a little lower, but it's.

I'm about to, I'm about to skew that once this episode.

I'm going to tell you right now.

It's a 2.95.

And um, IMDB has it at a six, a six out of 10.

Okay.

I think all of that is pretty in the zone.

I think that kind of works.

Um, this movie, the first one is very successful.

And the first one I'd like a bit more and it felt more New York somehow.

Yeah.

But, uh, so the first one is very successful.

We had like a 13 to half million dollar budget.

Whereas this one had almost double that 25 mil and it made the 78.

So you three extra budget.

Yeah.

It's kind of like you're going to get a third movie.

We will not talk about that third movie here today.

Bro, no, and I feel like I've rewashed that recently.

And honestly, my, it's like you know when they say when you have trauma,

like your brain kind of like removes memories.

Yeah.

I can see flashes of the third movie, but I it's gone.

It's like I, and I think that's a good thing, right?

Yeah.

This movie, regardless of the ratings, like it's good.

When it started when I started rewatch, I was like hold up.

This is like kind of fire.

Like it starts off well.

Yes.

I love the way it shot.

It does have like that traditional New York open out.

I mean, we're dealing with pizza delivery.

We got robberies going on.

We got the classic stuff, you know, so I'm kind of feeling at home.

Yeah.

And then as it goes on, it kind of, we'll talk about how it kind of changes

a little bit from that first movie.

Yeah.

Um, but I think that's a good, that's a good place.

Um, I'll save my rating for this so we can like talk about it more formally.

Yeah.

But clearly I liked it a little bit more than a 2.9 on Letterbox.

I do agree the first one's better though.

So this movie was number one for three weeks.

It knocked out Silence to the Lamps from the number one spot.

That's wild.

That's also a 91 release.

And, um, this film was released March 22nd, 1991.

So we're recording this not too far before the actual anniversary date.

Yeah.

And, um, other films that were in theaters doing that time were one of yours.

Home Alone.

Um, we had, uh, Silence to the Lamps as I was saying and, uh, New Jack City.

So, um, there's a universe, right?

I was just watching something about New Jack City earlier.

That's wild.

My phone was listening to me or something, bro.

That's so weird.

I got like New Jack City marketing directed at me.

Now you say that I'm like, what's happening right now?

Some Truman show shit.

Right.

That's, that's a good year though.

91, good year.

Yeah.

That's a nice year.

Later in that year you have like Terminator 2.

It's just like kind of got some sequels.

You got some things that are going to leave foundation for series and so on.

So like you said, really, really good year.

Um, so if, um, would you be so kind to give me the synopsis?

Tell me what the synopsis is.

For folks who've not seen this movie.

Oh my gosh.

Okay.

So the secret of the ooze.

Essentially this film.

This cinematic experience, this masterpiece is about the Ninja Turtles.

Connecting with April and splinter and kind of everyone, right?

But there are a few new characters that we get that come in.

Who are helping them kind of piece together the story of their origin.

And like what this ooze can do and kind of how it can affect other creatures and people and individuals.

And it's funny because it's the secret of the ooze.

But like you just see what the ooze can do.

You don't actually ever learn what the secret is.

It's just ooze like all right, bro.

And then I think at a point they mentioned they say slime.

But then they're quickly corrected that it's ooze.

And I was like, damn slime is actually kind of fire.

Like I wish it was the secret of the slime.

Um, but yeah, the turtles figure out what's going on.

A little bit more about the origin.

They realize that any, you know, them being special is more connected to who they are.

And, and they're upbringing and they're connecting to their connections to each other.

Splinter.

It's beautiful.

They fight.

They, they got a new psychic character.

What is it?

Kino.

Kino.

Yeah.

Kino.

We're going to talk about Kino.

For sure.

We're definitely going to talk about Kino.

So I'll save some of that.

But this does give us ninja rap.

We're easy drop.

Crazy.

I'm of the dancing and kind of fighting and stuff.

Closest thing we're going to get to like the actual arcade beat them up games and things like that.

Right, throwing barrels and shit.

And then we get super shredder, which is wild.

Like I forgot that this was super shredder on screen.

Like the introduction of that.

Um, but that's essentially it.

And we, we get token of razor.

We do.

Oh, right.

I'm like leaving them out there.

The animals I mentioned, right?

We get that we get these two guys.

Um, they are not too bright, but they're strong as hell.

Yes.

So good.

They proved to be like good adversaries for the turtles.

They, and I don't know with that talking about token of razor.

We'll definitely go deeper into, to those, those two.

Yeah.

Um, you know, they're, it's another instance of having guys and suits.

You know, like previously you had like real grounded human villains in the, uh, foot doji.

Now it's sort of like you have other as a shredder set, other freaks.

Right.

I know that was kind of crazy.

Like these, like they were, they were using freaks.

They were throwing that around.

I was like, yo, I'm kind of offended.

Right?

Yeah.

You throwing around the F word like like that.

Now that was kind of wild.

Yeah.

It was like, I'm a pit freaks against freaks.

I was like, yeah, it was on, he was on some other shit.

This movie, bro.

Like he, he was really mad.

Like, and I mean, it makes sense the way they kind of, what they killed, quote, quote,

killed him in the first one.

Um, but yes, try to was tweaking.

They took out the trash.

They took out the trash in the first day.

Absolutely.

So I want to, I want to move into observations because I think we've laid a foundation.

Now it's time to sort of fill in some of those cracks and crevices.

Yeah.

Um, so one of the first things that I noticed was the RIP to Jim Henson.

Yes.

That was a, I mean, it was a beautiful little kind of homage and dedication there.

It really, yeah, kind of like sober me up for it.

But I was like, damn, Jim Henson really had a hand in the creation of so many iconic creatures

and franchises and figures like I have a two and a half year old right now.

He's, he's actually a little super mutant right now, dude.

Like the toddler stage is no joke.

Um, but it's nuts because I'm taking him back and having him rewatch some of the old Muppets

and things like this and it's wild just to see the hand that Henson played in all this, right?

Um, yeah, that, that was a big one though.

I think we were spoiled.

I think we were spoiled growing up.

So yeah, you got to, you got to bring it up.

It's like, look, this is what it is, bro.

Yeah.

Now everybody just wants to make everything out of like AI.

Yeah.

It was CGI now with AI.

It's just, it's, it's slop, but different conversation for different podcasts.

Right.

Right.

So this is, this is one of the things you were touching on the New Yorkness of it all.

I just wrote down, we got heavy pizza propaganda as soon as we start this movie.

I mean, do I love, love pizza as much without this movie?

I'm not sure.

Like the turtles made it, they made it cool, not to say that it was never cool to eat pizza,

but like if you saw Ninja Turtles, you saw Toy merch.

Like there are no shirts with the cheesiest, slimiest, drippiest pieces of cheese pieces.

The only piece you ever saw.

And then Michelangelo always ordering like the nastiest shit for toppings, bro.

Like it was kind of classic.

And like, think about hanging out with your friends, your cousins from you.

It was mostly my cousin stomping around the city, right?

Yeah.

You get a big ass pizza.

You go home like, you're like, oh, we're the turtles.

Like we are literally Ninja Turtles right now.

We're eating cheese pizza in New York.

So I think that's a big thing.

A lot of pizza propaganda.

I definitely agree with that.

I definitely agree.

I'll say this.

This is, this is a, it's a personal note with you and I.

When I first sort of did in New York, it's the first time I went up there by myself.

You're like, you know, I got some pizza.

You want some pizza?

That's like, yeah.

I mean, it's a, it's a right of passage.

It's like, oh, you crossed the, you crossed the line into the city.

Let's get you a slice like an inaugural slice.

It's kind of a way to bless your visit to make it a successful one.

But come on.

That's like, it's the turtles and pizza they go together.

That's just, that's just what happens.

So, you know, I put down what it's like we're coming live from Roy's pizza.

That's what I was feeling.

Let's talk about Kino actually.

Because we get introduced to him very early in the movie.

Right.

He has one of my favorite lines because he's kind of a villain in this particular line.

But, you know, Kino was immediately on, I wrote down initially black Air Force One energy.

But then I looked closer at his shoes.

They were case dresses.

Right.

Oh, and honestly, that could be more black than the black Air Force One.

Yeah, it's, it's crazy.

Because we kind of, he gets like the first action scene really like.

He kind of starts off with an attitude.

He's trying to make a citizen's arrest like my boy.

It was just crazy.

His energy was nuts, delivering pizza if I'm not mistaken.

Yes.

So, it's like all of these things combine, right?

And then he was just ready for action.

Like he immediately started throwing hands.

So, Kino is interesting.

I liked him at the beginning.

And then he gets a little weird throughout the film.

But he's an interesting one.

I like him more than I like other kid characters.

And, you know, one of the things I noticed in the credits.

But I want to go back at a scoosh because it was something he said.

It was a little bit of a throwaway.

Yeah.

And as a kid, I was like, this didn't hit.

Now I was in the doubt.

I laughed out loud in there.

What did he say?

What did he say?

When he's like, which one of you girls is going to go on this bike with me?

And then she was like, in your dreams.

And he's like, I dream of something a bit thinner.

And I was like, yo.

Oh, wow.

Kino.

I was like, you were that villain.

Hey, ladies.

Which one of you lucky girls gets a ride with me tonight?

Dream on, dream.

Yeah.

OK.

But when I do, I'll dream of something a little thinner.

Well, I think that one just went right over my head.

That's kind of wild for him to say in a kid's movie.

Because this one is definitely more kitty than the first one, right?

That's a good line, Kino.

Whoever wrote that for you, you give him a high five.

It's a top 10 comeback to that line.

And you know, you're right.

When he gets there, because he's making a delivery for April.

And it's like another one to that O'Neill place.

And he stumbles across that sort of robbery and the strip mall kind of cabies,

toys or a situation.

And I wrote down, what was the ski mass budget?

Because everyone is just wearing like a sock and one dude rips it off.

Who are you?

I'm just like, just holding up.

And it starts laughing out of my bro.

What is the point of wearing that mask?

You're just going to be pulling it up at every, every interaction.

And then it goes into, you know, he's like, yeah, tell you guys I do martial arts.

And he's just kind of like beating these guys up.

And I'm like, this is great.

And then the numbers game as they say in wrestling happens.

And it's much more ski mass dudes.

Enter the turtles splash page.

Here's the logo.

And they're jumping through their own logo, which is fire.

Yeah.

No, that's a, that was a really good introduction for them.

Like, I love the way that this movie starts off.

I think it's like light, fun, music.

Everything was kind of just hitting the way that I needed it to.

You know, sometimes you rewatch these movies and you're like,

all right, I got to wait for things to kind of heat up.

Or like I remember this, I remember that.

Yeah, this one kind of has me within the first five minutes every time I watch it.

Absolutely.

And, you know, we have sort of, you know, them do their ninja thing.

They take the pizzas, leave the cash.

You know, they actually raft dumps Kino into a trash can at one point for his own protection,

which I thought was funny.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So he doesn't see what's going on.

And he's not interacting with them with like paper and shit all over him too.

That was good.

And one, one little sneaky thing that they did because Michael Angelou's weapons,

nunchucks are very dangerous.

So they have him using pepperoni sticks in place of nunchucks at one point.

And it's just like, okay, I see what you guys are doing.

I get it.

Let's dial it down a little bit.

We'll bring the pepperoni in, let's lean into the pizza bit.

Like you said, the propaganda is just rampant.

And I think one of the other things in there, sort of the beginning,

and you touched on it a bit, where you start to see some of the more cartoony,

more kid centric stuff.

And both of the movies are post when the cartoon is out.

And that's one of the things that Eastman says in that intro.

He's like, we had the black and white universe, which is very gritty.

You know, the original comics, it didn't in 87 and you get the cartoon.

And then 90 and 91, you get totals, one and totals, two.

So you get more of the sound effects, more of the sort of goofy kid rhythms.

And I think it's fine, but definitely, tonally, it's a bit different than the grittier.

I mean, there's gangland violence in the first movie.

Yeah. And you also see it would not just the turtles, but like even April's interactions with people.

I was like, this is very, her role is kind of dialed down a little bit.

It's very like surface level, I would say, you know, she's still investigating things,

but her interactions with the turtles are usually just like her laughing at one of Mikey's jokes or something.

Right. Right.

It's a lot different.

I think it's more, it's less like sexual or like suggestive, which is fine.

You know, some of the stuff was weird for a kid to begin with, but this is the 90s.

But I did pick up on some of those differences, for sure.

Then, so one of the questions, and this is observation that I made when they get back to April's pad,

she's definitely like, yo, y'all got to go.

Yeah.

You teenagers are gross.

Yeah.

So she kind of didn't really seem like teens before, but yeah, please go.

But it's kind of this vibe of like I'm cleaning up at you guys.

I got my career.

I'm like, you know, on TV and all of that different stuff.

So kind of shifted that role of Scosh.

And speaking of April, there's a recasting of the actress.

We moved to Paige Torco, right?

Paige Torco.

Yep.

And, you know, I've read a little bit because I was like, what happened?

And, you know, apparently the, I think Judith Hogue, she, it was certain conflicts that she,

had maybe with some of the filmmaking and how it went down and they decided to move in a different direction

and citing they wanted someone to look more comic accurate.

And I was like, hmm, I hear you.

Yeah.

Okay.

I guess, guys.

Yeah.

Sure.

Sure.

I mean, she was good.

It was just different.

It was just a different April.

Like, it almost made me think of the Batman films, right?

When we go from Burton to, what is it, Schumacher?

Yeah.

And like the shift of Batman characters, you know, of Keaton to Kilmer to Clooney.

Like, I was like, oh, they're doing like this thing where we're just changing main characters to different actors, right?

It's almost as if they thought they were doing the James Bond move, but you have to be a little bit more invested in that.

Because you can push that, but it's not every movie.

It's like, here's your three and then three more for you.

Right.

And then we kind of do that.

But, you know, you can tell by the texture of the hair at a point, you know.

There's a famous line that I said to my partner when we were watching the first Batman from 89.

I was like, Tim, Tim, I was like, Michael Keaton and Robert Wall are having a flue fall.

Both of their hairs are just volumized.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just wait up.

Having an argument.

Bro, what a movie.

But no, you're absolutely right about April.

It's weird because the movies come out.

They're your part, right?

Yeah.

That's big.

Yeah, to change, to change it that fast.

But I guess whatever it was, they couldn't resolve it.

Yeah, yeah.

So let's see.

I also wanted to get a gauge.

And maybe this is a question that you can provide some insight on.

What do you think the time difference was from the first movie to the second movie?

Is it a week?

Is it a month?

Because there are certain things that are going to come up in a moment that kind of says,

it can't be that long.

But in other instances, it feels like it's a little longer than maybe a week.

Yeah.

With me, the vibe I was getting was maybe it was like a month to two months after.

Like, let's say the first movie ends in May, like they get through summer and like

we're at the end of summer.

It's like that, right?

Because you have Shredder who has passed.

And they still think, no, he's gone for good.

But like, he's not fully gone.

And it's still in this weird space where they have foot clan soldiers and things out there.

They have this different area.

Like, it doesn't seem like they were without leadership for that long.

Yeah.

So no, I didn't think it was more than a few months.

But I could totally be wrong.

Also, the way that like her career shifts, the way that they're still kind of like hiding their identities and stuff,

it gave me like fairly, fairly soon after the first.

Yeah.

And especially when we get the reveal which comes up right after that.

We have a Shredder Swagon.

Choose the best man from those that remain to follow the reporter.

She is the key to finding the archer that it is to meet.

Yes, Master.

Next Master.

We rebuild the foot.

No.

There is only one thing next.

Revenge.

He kind of takes all of the smoke from Tatsu.

Because Tatsu was like, who dares challenge me?

And he just comes in there with the gravely, not James Avery voice, but still gravely.

Yeah.

And he's just like, well, I'm taking his bag over.

What do you, he came in there with garbage truck juice soaked sequence.

Right.

And said, I'm re-assuming this.

And the first thing that side foot said, look at his face.

Look at his face.

Yes.

So you knew he met business like, I was kind of like, damn, does my man look that crazy?

Like, that's the first thing that you say, yeah, really?

I mean, come on, Avengers Doomsday.

They taught you how to do it.

You better do it right.

No, you're spot on.

Then we get to, shortly after that, we start seeing some of the stuff with shredder.

He's kind of setting up the new look, the more razor, not quite punk rock,

but it's a different version of the costume that he had, the armor that he had in the first film.

I was like, you immediately, you know, because there's some slash fiction going on with Tatsu and shredder.

But you immediately go to the back with your man and start doing like chores.

You start like, let me set this up.

Let me get this new blade in order.

Let me like, fashion some things.

Not a shower first.

Like, no, no, they got right to business.

They have fades to an administer.

Shredder would go like revenge shit.

Like, he didn't need to clean up.

Like, all he had blood, lust, just coursing through his veins, bro.

And the thing is, it was so mad.

See, here's the thing.

My brother mentioned this.

He was like, am I dad asked about it, actually?

He was like, yo, was Casey Jones in this one?

I was like, no, because he knew shredder wasn't dead.

And he knew he was out for blood.

That's why he skipped town.

He fucked off elsewhere.

He was out of there.

He's smart.

All these movies, it's always like, yo, bro, move.

Like, there are other cities you can go to.

If you've had a lot of people there, but Casey was fine without it.

So we get to this, this sort of next thing.

We're seeing April doing her job.

And she has like a weird little camera guy, but she's doing her job.

And one of my favorite lines happens in this movie.

It's there at the site for TGRI.

And which always used to confuse with TGIF, which is.

TGIF, yes.

Which is not the same thing.

Yes.

And the line.

The line was.

Who is the spasmatic?

I was just like, of course it was Rafia talking about the doctor.

And I was just like, spasmatic is wild.

Man, who is the spasmatic?

Would you give the guy a break?

He's a scientist.

Yeah, fastening.

I might have to start using that.

Yeah, that's, it's been a long time since I heard spasmatic.

They were dropping some iconic lines.

That's why I'm like, bro, what, what, what was the opening?

You said the bodacious.

Yeah, back by bodacious demand.

No, man, come on.

You have all these like crazy lines in this movie.

You talk about some bodacious demand.

Right.

I don't know what's going on with that.

So we get to one of my favorite, other favorite like lines.

I think that's in this one and in the, the first movie.

So we're, we eventually get to TGRI.

They see sort of the canisters or some information.

They look into it and they happen to go there to the place that has the ooze.

And they try to crack the code and then the computer.

Just bad coding, Donatella.

I thought you were to brains here.

No, the computer got like a, like a 90s virus when you're on the family computer.

Right.

You're clicking all some stuff you weren't supposed to.

And before I just have to say something about that scene with the, with the foot clan and everyone.

Toss it, like they're all showing up to steal that last while.

Yeah.

Bro, I don't know.

I've seen this movie like 10 times.

They scared this shit out of me when homeboys on the computer and he's like, this is the last canister.

Like, guess I got to get rid of you.

And then immediately he just gets snatched.

Like I audibly scream.

Nobody's in the apartment.

I was like, yo, nobody saw that or heard that.

But the way that they grabbed him, I kind of just was like, God damn.

Like this movie's kitty.

And then there's some things in there while I'm like, nah, that's kind of violent, bro.

Yeah.

To me, when I see something like that, I feel like there's two edits.

There's like two cuts going.

Exactly.

Two different people.

Exactly.

Well, we got to have this in there.

All right.

Put some goofy sound effects in, put a bowling sound in there or something.

But the line that happens in that same sequence, because they have another fight sequence.

And, you know, Tatsu does my favorite ninja vanish, throws the joint down, smoke cloud.

I like this is great.

Yeah.

Ninja vanish.

Oh, great.

Terrific.

So they have the last vile of ooze, because what TGRI is trying to do is find all of the,

especially the news story, April was covering, follow all of like the canisters that were unearthed

because there was a dandelion that had a really crazy growth.

Yeah.

And they were like super dandelions.

They look crazy.

They were like fabric.

Yeah.

Let's see.

I touched on this.

Slash elements with Shredding Tatsu.

Shredding is just super tight about his face.

He's being scarred.

He's like, you know, almost like Vega.

Like, oh, my face.

Yeah.

I can't have that happen.

And as I said, garbage truck juice.

The cartoony nature of the sound effects, another thing I have in.

Eventually, we have this, I think, a bit of a schism, right?

That happens where, as per usual, we get to Raphael saying, I'm going to do my own thing.

And he kind of dips off and they can't always throw that.

That shit's weird because, yes, he breaks off.

And you're probably going to get it actually outweigh, because I know you're going to get into this.

What he does when he breaks off.

So this is, I wrote this down because I thought it was really funny.

So we get a cameo.

And we don't know who this person is at the time.

I know who he is now.

Yeah, yeah.

So you have some guy who I believe was in the first one, but he was maybe one of the turtles or one of the voices.

The guy that comes in with the ACDC hat and it's just like, hey, new recruits.

You know, the fuck's going to do this?

We're going to have all of this.

And you see behind him friggin' Michael Jai White.

Michael Jai White just posted a pre spawn juice in the hair.

Michael Jai White.

And he gives the whole thing.

Kino is there.

He's trying to be recruited.

And the group is Michael Jai White is not a white person.

Despite the last name.

The group goes in.

Michael Jai White is gone.

He was there.

He does not walk with them.

Bro, I was like, what happened?

And then it makes it even worse because he runs back to the car to talk to rap.

Like, oh, was Michael Jai White in on it?

Is he going to pop up next to Rafael?

You don't think I noticed this big ass black food was standing right next to you.

Everyone walks forward.

And then he just disappears.

What is happening with the edit of this?

I'm so glad you picked that up because I thought I was losing my mind.

He had to take the train back.

He was like, this footage is a little light.

I had to post it all the time.

Actually, yeah.

I'm about to get grounded if I go with you.

That was what it was given off to me.

Actually, no, I'm so good on this, bro.

It would have been really cool, I'll say, if we actually got to see Kino in the foot Doji,

because he does very well in recruitment.

He's using the support of Ralph, especially with the working and concealment.

He beat up the guy, showed this, you know, acumen as a martial artist.

And then he shows that he can work in stealth and without a lot of noise

with the snatch of all of the bells in 15 seconds, which is fucking ludicrous.

Crazy.

I'm like, how does anyone get recruited in?

Nobody would have been able to do that.

That's crazy.

You'll see this big ass turtle in the shadow.

Literally, he's not even wearing his trench coat, which, you know, me.

That's my favorite look.

The trench coat Ralph, favorite look.

That's iconic.

Yeah.

I find, like, in the, we're in the junkyard.

Because the movie's, the movie flows pretty quickly, actually.

We're in the junkyard, which is sort of the shoebox, I'll call it, the location for the foot.

So, Kino is doing a lot of the heavy lifting.

There's that subtle, and I think this touches on Kino getting progressively

weirder as we go along in the movie.

It's almost like he's bumping heads with Ralph because he's being Ralph

and Kino's costume is red.

So, it's just like, are you just Ralph now?

Oh, okay.

I didn't even pick up on that, but that makes so much sense.

I was like, bro, why are you getting, like, are you on steroids or something?

Like, I felt like he was getting so aggressive.

He was.

And just kept raching.

I mean, by the end, they're holding him back.

My dude is like scratching that hair and stuff like that.

But I didn't understand, like, where that shift happened.

Because it seemed like they kind of were aligned with their plan

and then immediately just start fucking up and get captured.

Yeah.

And all of this is happening.

The turtles, the three in Shrunt and Splinter, rather,

are trying to find their new place.

That's what's happening in sort of the, because, you know, April's like,

look, you know, Ren's dude, y'all got to go.

Like, she was so happy for them to be out.

Like, once they went down in the sewer,

my girl was like, giggling.

It's like, you know, she was like, yes, I got my part.

She had a nice apartment, too.

Yeah.

I don't blame her, but yeah, get the turtles out.

It's, um, I think one of the other things I'll go back a little bit

just because they, because, um, yeah, because Kano does earlier,

he does kind of get introduced with the turtles just skipped over.

He was going there with this sort of, you know,

a, you know, clandestine pizza delivery and all of that.

And basically, he sees the turtles and, um, he stomps on,

I think, rafts foot or something like that.

He's like, let me hurt him.

It was crazy.

Yeah, that was crazy.

Like, bro, that's the mud he's told.

And, you know, this is all I'm going to get your take as a New Yorker.

So, when he sees Splinter, he immediately faints.

That happens to Splinter so many times.

So, as a New Yorker, seeing a five foot tall rat,

is that just an appropriate response?

Or, I've been waiting for this.

I've been waiting for this.

Okay.

I had my own Splinter experience.

And to your question here, bro, when I lived in Green Point,

I lived in this apartment that we had, we were on the top floor.

We had a couple of dudes on the second floor.

They were cool as hell, but they were a bunch of like skater dudes.

So, we had to kind of take turns taking out the trash, recycling one out.

They would never do it.

They would, like, throw their trash out the damn window down to the recycling area, bro.

So, one night, I'm like, I'm tired of this area looking like this.

I'm going to go downstairs and clean up whatever, like, this has to be fixed.

I go down, I'm moving bags around, I'm moving all this stuff.

I pick up a bag, a rat, bro, the size of, I have two Yorkshire terriers.

So, they're like five pounds, six pounds.

A rat that will arrive old then in size and weight comes out.

Then a couple of the rats come out, like, it was his family.

I disturbed them in the middle, like, dinner or something, bro.

I'm like, I'm jumping around, I'm running, I'm screaming.

The rat takes off across the street.

So, I'm like, thank God, I pick up a, I pick up a cone,

that was like the air by, I'm like, the rat takes off across the street.

I'm like, this is actually crazy, bro.

The rat turns around.

Does it you turn?

Runs back for me.

He's like, yo, you're swinging on my family.

Jumps on me with the cone in my hand.

Runs up.

Oh, no.

Up to my neck.

Jumps off into the air and then he's gone.

Bro, was grinding on my arm like a Tony Hawk character.

Yo.

The scream I let out dog.

I don't care, I don't care, I don't care.

I will never get over this.

When I see rats now, you know, you got to play it cool

and you want you like, oh, rat, whatever.

Like, I don't care.

No, I care.

If I'm not reacting, I'm pretending that I don't have a reaction.

I've been attacked by a rat, a splinter-esque rat.

Fainting.

Maybe I won't faint, but like, you got to be ready to square up

because those rats do not care.

And if they're not, they're not handling your trash

from the cycling properly.

You could, you could be facing something similar to me.

So, if you come visit, if you end up moving here,

I know a lot of people are relocating to New York.

Make sure that you're garbage.

If you're recycling, you're taking care of.

Or you might be in one of these teenage new Ninja Turtles reboots

or something like that.

Okay.

It's pretty tight.

Infanting makes sense.

It makes sense to me.

Or at least having a negative reaction.

But this is coming from a survivor.

Someone who's been through something like this.

I don't think that was funny.

That whole scene to me, I was like, yo, this is too much.

This is a trauma response.

I was like, what are we doing?

I really had a reaction to that.

So, if you have not seen this movie, you're listening to this podcast.

I hope you are watching it before you're listening.

Go watch it.

And you will know what I'm talking about when you see this,

this, this rat come out.

And you see, I'll put some respect on his name,

this master, but I got it.

It brought some things back up for me.

It was more like a massive splinter because, you know,

oh my god, yeah, in my side.

So, let's see.

Kind of few more things I want to get through.

Then I got some questions a little bit later to get into.

So, this came up when I'm watching the,

specifically the choreography when we're around.

And this is just a statement around like 90s choreography

when it comes to fight scenes.

There's a lot of standing around with around like shredder and tatsu.

It's like you guys are not fighting.

There's a lot of one-on-one fights.

So, I'm like, yo, you already have established that you jump these guys.

You jumped rap.

Yeah, that's the only way to stop them.

You can't stop the turtles on your own.

I mean, they were on some street fighter shit where we were one-on-one.

Really, if it was me, I would have been a good shredder

because I'm bringing everybody in.

And then I'm coming in and stomping them out.

And I'm saying seize them.

Like, yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

Seize them.

What is that like meme?

It's like, oh, put their head.

Cut his throat.

Actually, never mind.

Yeah, hell no.

So, there's a line in there is this foreshadowing,

because we know who super shredder is.

So, we get the reveal.

They're at the junkyard.

Raph is tied up.

The turtles are coming to save Raph.

They get ensnared in a 90s, or if not 80s, or 70s,

ask trap of a net.

And they get pulled up.

And shredder is on some podium

and is shot really weirdly like upward at him.

And we get the reveal of token Raza.

They're big.

They were babies and they were doing all the stuff.

They have the scientists at this point.

And shredder has been feeding them the ooze

and they've been growing exponentially.

But they're super strong, not smart, as you touched on earlier.

So, this is when we get the reveal of them in their armor

and they're pretty much going to take out the turtles.

And they're in the net.

And the reveal is token Raza is sort of after the net

is shot down with an arrow from Splinter.

Because Splinter is in the cut with the crossbow.

He had the bow.

You're right.

And he says, I think he says Cowabunga.

And I'll say, all right, you got it.

You got a big dog.

All right.

And so, you know, shredder is like token Raza.

They come out.

And they say, I think it's Michelangelo that says,

didn't we see these guys on WrestleMania?

Which I thought was a...

I did, yeah.

I did like that.

That one was a good one.

Yeah!

Didn't we see these guys on WrestleMania?

Prove yourselves to me!

Attack!

I mean, they had some good ones, some good headers.

So, we get to some fight scene, some chicainery, some fun.

We get the funny moment where the turtles were able to...

Michelangelo actually, able to find a sewer drain that they escaped through.

Like turtles, right?

You like that?

And Toka cannot fit in there because he's just HGH.

He's just Barry Bond's snapping turtle.

Arms are two, just two buff.

Yeah, two buff.

Two buff.

Shows too big.

They're tickling his feet.

He's having a hard time.

I'm laughing.

And, you know, I noticed throughout this part when we get to identity,

and this is when I realized something, don't tell those black to me.

Bro, thank you for bringing this up.

Thank you for bringing this up.

I hope people know this.

The turtles are canonically black, bro.

Splinter is voiced by a black man.

That means he adopted these turtles.

These turtles grew up black.

They grew up with black culture.

Black parent?

Black parent?

No, you're absolutely right.

Yes.

Why don't more people bring this up?

Because he's having some issues when it comes to identity.

He says, I thought they'd be more.

You know, when it comes to like the ooze.

Like, you guys just got, because when the doctor explains what happens,

he's just kind of like a little crust fall.

And he's like, I thought I'd be a little bit more than that.

And he's just having trouble with the whole identity thing.

And then later, he definitely seen checks the black guy

doing the ninja rap sequence.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is really funny.

He's like, yo, you see this, right?

He's like, nice time.

Bro, let me get that off you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So to draw the turtles out, because they escape, right?

To draw the turtles out, they send Toka and Razor

to go out and have fun in a destroying some neighborhood.

You would know better than me.

Yeah.

And it was just like, this is a set.

But, you know, they destroyed some neighborhood.

And we get to the sort of news story in the morning.

And April is talking to Sterns, which is nice to see him,

because he was in the first movie.

Yeah.

And he just is a typical by the numbers, police chief.

They have a nice little tet-tetet about not knowing anything.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

He was like, how did you, yeah, I mean, I like that scene quite a bit.

I also like the way that a lot of this is like,

shot in the way it looks.

I'm trying to remember, but honestly,

look like they were down and like lower east side

or Chinatown or something.

I thought it was that way.

That's true.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

So you've mentioned how it was shot.

What did you like about the way it was shot?

Um, I mean, we're going to get this time and time again

when it comes to shooting things on like 35-mill film

versus shooting it digitally.

This definitely looks and feels as though it was shot on film.

Mm-hmm.

And then even with all the sets that they created,

it's just being someone who grew up here in the 90s,

like it looked exactly like I remember it, right?

Even the way people were dressing, people walking around,

the businesses, and like a lot of that is so different now

with the way that development has changed.

Like, there are parts of Brooklyn that I grew up in.

I don't even recognize when I walk past them out

because it's so different.

So I think they really leaned into like,

even the places that were sets were recreated so authentically

and it's crazy to say that in like such a kiddie movie, right?

But that's just like so important to this.

And I wonder, so many people probably visited New York

after seeing that first movie, or even after seeing this one, right?

And I think this is one of those fortunate situations

where, of course, you're not going to see big-ass Ninja Turtles

and rats running around.

Hopefully you might have to fight a rat.

But most of what you saw in the movie,

like that's what New York looks like.

So I thought that was like pretty dope too.

And like the attitude, everyone has a little bit of an attitude

with each other, which is like kind of funny.

Like in that sequence when the older couple is getting their cab

and the, the, the as the husband is like, hey, look what's happening.

Oh my gosh, the wife, did you recognize her?

Did you recognize her?

No.

She's from Curve.

She is like Larry's main Susie Esman.

Oh.

Huge actress, but she's Susie in Curve Your Enthusiasm.

Nice.

But if anyone watches that show, you're going to recognize her.

But this is her like much, much younger.

But yeah, even that interaction between her and her husband,

I was like, oh, you would walk down the street

and hear this conversation and just keep pushing.

They tell them to get their own connection.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Yeah, she's like, why are you doing it?

Are you going to do this for everybody?

Like, I loved it.

So one of the things that I think we were talking about

a little bit earlier, just April's Line Delivery of Razar

is so ludicrous when she's talking to the turtles

about them destroying the neighborhood.

And then her production assistant, camera assistant,

will have you.

He's sick.

And then you get to reveal that he's a foot guy

and just kind of letting her know what's the deal

and relay this.

Yeah, he didn't give a shit.

He was like, yeah.

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, you're so dumb.

You didn't realize that.

He took the mask off the same way the guys forked.

You know, there's like, yeah.

I put this on just to take it off.

That's how they train them.

So she released a message.

So the turtles come up with a plan of a anti-oos, if you will,

to lessen the effects and reverse the effects of the oos,

which the science does to get a little shaky.

And eventually they get to the idea of they make it,

they drop pizza in it.

I don't know if that affected it.

We'll talk about that, maybe.

Because pizza, propaganda.

Right.

And it turns out that the anti-oos, if you will,

needs to be consumed.

It needs to be eaten.

Yeah.

So to come up with a bright idea,

to put it in a donut.

And they have this pre-fight ritual of the donuts.

So I got a question for you.

When you engage in a fight,

I feel like you've been in a scuffle or two.

What would your donut choice be?

Like, if you're in a situation, someone's like,

Isaiah, we're going to, you know, scrap,

but, you know, first these donuts,

what's the donut that you want?

I need to be charged up.

So I'm not going with any of these artisanal donuts

that I love, you know,

the lemon poppy seed,

pomegranate, and all that shit.

I'm going with a classic Homer Simpson, bro.

I'm doing a very frosted with sprinkles.

Give me that dash strength.

Give me that extra,

give me that extra strength that I can tap into.

The sugar rush,

and I can just start swinging.

Like, that's what I want, classic.

Okay.

But I do love,

there's a bunch of donuts shops around here

that I go crazy for.

I don't know if we ever went to Peter Pan,

but like, shout out Peter Pan.

Give me a deal, sponsor me.

I love your food.

That's how you gave me directions to take the train bag.

You're like, you're going to go here.

You're going to go here.

I love with a bag of donuts.

There you go.

If you see Peter Pan,

you're going in the right direction.

See, pizza and donuts, bro.

And now that you're saying that I'm like,

damn, this whole movie was a marketing scheme

to get us to eat like snacks.

And now I want to go back and look at like fruit gushers

and fruit by the foot.

And so it like,

I bet you every single snack had like a ooze version.

Yeah.

And like, remember when they released, was it Shrek?

And they had like the green mustard and shit.

Like, I feel like there's going to be ooze related stuff.

I mean, I don't know if you remember this one.

When I was, you know,

when this movie came out,

we saw it on VHS,

but I remember the cross marketing.

They had these hostess cakes with the ooze inside.

These hostess pies rather.

The cream faux pies.

And it had a, maybe a frame from the film

or a clip from the film in there like a trading card.

And I was just like, can we bring back the Ninja Turtle pies?

They were so delicious.

Come on.

Come on.

All of it.

I want all that stuff back.

Ghostbusters, Ninja Turtles, Shrek.

I don't care what it is.

Bring back the marketed stuff.

I want, like, I'm going to see Project Hill Mary later.

Like, give me the Ryan Gosling,

fruit gusher, collab.

Like, I want all of it, bro.

And I think, I guess they do that now with the popcorn buckets.

But I think the popcorn buckets here.

The thing with that, though, it gets a little like,

it's obviously marketed versus like,

this is a cool thing that we're doing.

That makes sense.

Yeah, like they're making the film a certain way

so they can market.

And I think that ties into like the more kitty approach.

They're like, oh shit,

we can make a ton of money off of this.

Like, yeah, yeah, a million ways.

And one of the things that I'm more especially watching

the revivals and things of that nature,

I get really like, all right, if we're going to do this,

I'm here for it.

Like, last year was the 40th anniversary of Last Dragon.

And I was going to go see it.

But then the tickets were like, kind of a little too much

for a 40-year-old movie.

It was like $25.

And I was like, is there anything else involved with this?

Right, right.

Oh, nothing.

Like extra behind-the-scenes interviews.

I mean, give me a goofy pin or something.

Because I went to a revival of one of the movies

that you and I did of Candyman and they had trivia

and they had pins for the movie.

I got all the trivia questions, right?

Because, you know, I'll be on this shit.

You're an expert.

So let's see.

We get to sort of the third closing, right?

The final confrontation.

Doing a fun yet ludicrous dance sequence is what I wrote down.

Yeah.

Can we get, like, one fan in the sequence

where they've given token razor, the donuts,

and they've realized, like, I believe it was razor,

realized, like, yeah, what the fuck is this?

Inside the donut, he sees ice cube with the mutagen

and his anti-mutagen.

And then, you know, one of them gets knocked through,

one of the turtles gets knocked through a wall

where vanilla ice is performing.

He's just getting it.

And I'm just like, okay, we get to this dance sequence.

We get to the music.

We get to the fun.

And I was just like, can we just have one?

Because token razor are really, like, their vicious animals.

It's a timber wolf and a snapping turtle.

Can one of the dancers get slashed or something

just, like, by mistake?

No, they weren't doing nothing.

As soon as we got to that vanilla ice scene,

like, they're shoving that mutagen, anti-mutagen,

down those roads.

So we can focus on the dance.

And I mean, that's why I mentioned them throwing barrels

and doing a couple of things.

But really, the turtles were kind of just hyping,

hyping up the crowd.

They kind of looking at people that pointed people

or the black people were grouped together.

So, like, yeah, they're like, yeah, you like this.

And then they would say that.

Yeah, they go to the, like, vanilla ice is dancing.

Don't even get me to start on the optics of vanilla ice.

It's been the only white personal stage moving like that,

looking like MC Hamlin.

And he got his whole cadre of black men dancing around him.

The producers in the back doing the,

they were doing the Marty McFly joint, right?

Like, oh, like, I loved it.

Right?

Um, I was like, okay, I get it.

But then the turtles go up there, like, you like this?

Say, hey, they're like, you like this?

Go, go.

Like, it would kind of like go your hands in the air.

Yeah, they're like, wave.

I'm like, yeah, it was, uh, it was a height, height situation.

Like, they weren't even worried about fighting at that point.

The anti-mutagen is in their systems.

They're gonna let that work.

Yeah.

And now they're just kind of just bumping up the crowd.

Because the doctor told Donnie that if you use this fire extinguisher,

this CO2 is gonna exacerbate it to make it happen a bit quicker,

and boom, science.

Yeah.

So, you know, we have a little cutaway where this is another

weird Kinoism.

Kino is trying to meditate with Master Splinter.

And he's like, you know what?

Splint, fuck all that.

He gets rid of all of the masters.

He's like, you can't keep me here.

Get the fuck out of my face.

He runs there.

He runs there.

He runs there.

Um, I don't know where they're at, right?

They're, we do know where they're at.

But somehow they get to, you know, vanilla Iceland,

and he just jumps on a stage, kicks the mutagen out of shredders.

Who to snap the mutagen?

Like, I was like, bro, you could have like had that snap on somebody,

and mutated somebody in the crowd.

You know, doesn't care about anybody.

He has no environmental awareness.

He has no situational awareness.

When I tell you, he came in there like a wild animal.

You're actually the villain.

Like, you're the one who's on the mutagen right now.

The way he came in kind of just like did scratching and kicking and doing all this stuff.

Like ultimately it worked out.

But if I didn't, if I hadn't seen this before, I was like,

oh, Kino's about to get everybody in here killed.

Exactly.

Because shredder had a hostage.

He's gonna pull all of it on this woman.

Yeah.

And then, you know, Kino just kind of backs all.

He's like, yeah, you guys, right?

I should chill out.

I got it.

You got it.

I mean, we have to, we have to mention how shredder gets blown out of there.

That shit was hilarious.

You fucking fucking, so there's two things I want to talk about with that.

You got, you know, doing a fight, there's one funny thing that happens.

Because Tatsu, as my, as my girl's kid would say,

this nigga does no work.

He just gets wish-boned by all of them.

Right.

It's like you, you, you, you bitch out animals.

You bitch out the foot.

You're kind of like, you know, shredder's mans.

But you get your ass beat every time by the turtles.

He doesn't do anything.

He never does anything.

He grunts, and he scares animals.

He grills and grunts a lot.

Yeah, kind of with the captions on it.

I was like, oh, is it just going to keep showing like growling?

Like when he's on it.

Yeah, he was just around.

And I wrote down that you may get this, this reference,

because it's a little dated now.

Kino is just poochy from like, oh, come on.

I was like, why are you here?

Um, no, you're right, though.

You're right.

So the, again, another back to the future reference,

how shredder gets blown out with it with something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That shit was hilarious, bro.

Oh, my God.

And it's the glass and flies out of there.

Like they really kind of ragged all my men.

Yeah.

You know how they had, I don't know if you're,

I'm sure you played Grant that photo four,

but like they used to have these ragged all physics in it,

where it was like too realistic.

And then they dialed it down for five.

This was given New York City, Grant that photo four vibes,

the way they blew my man straight out of the menu.

Through the glass.

And then he turned into super shredder.

I was like, actually, bro, like you got it, like you,

I would be pissed.

I'll be pissed if I just got disrespect like that.

So two things in this sequence before we wrap up with the shredder,

the super shredder piece.

Yeah.

I wrote this down.

I was like, yo, there's a timber wolf in a snapping turtle

in the middle of a party.

Even if it's not the Tokar and Razor,

you saw them change.

That's still a snapping turtle.

And a friggin' timber wolf just hanging out.

I don't want to be near either one of those animals.

No, snapping turtles actually really freaked me out,

because you're calling it a snapping turtle,

because it has a reputation for just doing shit like that,

like just biting.

The timber wolf, yeah.

And they tried to make them look a little bit cute.

Nothing that's happening here is cute to me.

And then on top of that, you're forgetting

Kino is loose in that party.

It's a loose Kino in this party.

He's loose in that party off of something.

I don't know what was going on with that kid,

but that was a huge shift from the way that it opened up.

I was like, oh, he's kind of cool.

He's not annoying me to the end where I wouldn't want to be around him.

Well, he's not safe.

This is the thing your man said earlier at the pizza place.

We should have been foreshadowing.

He's like, be careful out there, Kino.

I think he was just like, don't kill anyone tonight, Kino,

when he was making that first delivery.

You know he's too fast.

Yeah, I mean, that is also very New York and like,

he kind of just doesn't think he's going to react.

He's on pure instinct.

One thing that I wrote down that thought from a timing perspective,

and I know this is how this movie would go,

Vanilla Ice leaves the stage seconds

before Shredder comes on to the stage as if he knew.

Vanilla Ice is secret fucking.

He's secret foot, you know.

There's another, there's a sequel of this

where we realize Vanilla Ice has been behind everything.

And that would make me happy because

there was just something so discomforting.

As much as I love all the songs there, I was like,

oh, like, come on, bro.

What are you doing up here?

Like, why do you have such a, he rolling my childhood memories

and my, my turtles, you know.

He's, he's also in the,

the intro for the 35th anniversary.

He forgets that he has like a giant prop next to him.

He's like, yeah, you know, I got the turtle steel here

and he's next to like a full life size Raphael.

Yeah.

He's like, I got everything here.

Just like, all right, Rob, build another house, got it here.

So I want to talk about the,

the ending a bit, the sort of ending sequence.

We get Super Shredder.

He's blown through, he's on the,

I guess he gets blown into the water

from that Deceptupper and the turtles are like,

oh, I guess that's a wrap.

Yeah.

Cowbunga, you know.

Yeah, exactly.

They're like, damn, we finished up early, like.

And, you know, he's, he's on that saying,

he's on that keynote pack because Shredder's not listening

to reason.

He's just like punching shit over.

He's like, so be it.

And it's friggin' big daddy cool.

It's fucking Kevin.

And he drank that down, like I was,

as soon as he popped out, I was like, damn,

how did he chug that?

Ooh, so fast.

Like, that was kind of wild to me.

And then he just popped out, honestly,

he looked dope as hell though.

He did.

His fit was crazy.

He looked like shark.

I was like, yo, chill.

So we can have you like come out and fight.

But then when he started swinging,

I was like, nah, you're not making it like.

No.

You're done.

You're done in like 30 seconds.

Well, this, this is what I'll,

I'll say because every now and again,

you know, I have, because the story-telling thing, right?

I'll play this game.

I'll say, shredder was micro-dose and ooze

that whole week.

You're right.

I think that was happening.

I think that was happening.

You're definitely right.

Yeah, you're definitely right.

But I forgot that when I saw it.

So I was like, damn, like, he got knocked out.

I was still kind of caught up on him,

getting blown out of the space,

and then popping out.

But I thought about it after.

And I think, yeah, you're right.

He was kind of consuming the ooze.

And so, you know, he knocks out, he knocks down the pier.

He gets crushed by the pier.

So two moves in a row.

This dude is crushed.

And then the way that the turtles kind of

re-emerge from the water is a little gnarly.

It's like, yeah.

It's like shit.

Like, what do we do?

Yeah, like, like, kind of flown to the surface.

It was clever.

I was like, okay, remember who we are?

And what we are is like, okay, they're tying it back.

Yeah.

And they eat their turtles.

They're going to pop up with the shells first.

And then come out.

So I thought that that was a nice kind of throwback.

But I did have the same exact thought.

I was like, ugh.

And then we get to the sort of closing of the movie.

You know, we have the news on Splenner's watching.

And Splenner's just like, I told you, my fuckers.

Every time.

Every fucking time.

Jitsu.

Practice.

The art of being an ninja.

And, you know, you see the newspaper.

He sees the newspaper.

And he's like, how did he ask?

And he's like, guys, did you?

Did anyone see you guys?

Did, you know, anything happy you guys good?

Yeah, yeah.

Master, we're good, you know.

And he's like, well, ninja rap is born.

I would love to have that newspaper, by the way.

I was just about to say, bro, I need that frame like all my wall.

And that was perfect.

He has to them do his punishment of the movie is,

you got to, you guys got to do back flips.

Back flips.

And then they wrap on the back flips.

And Splenner says, I made another funny.

And then we just go to soundtrack.

And the soundtrack was fire, too.

I was like shazamming, bro.

As soon as that came on, I was like, yes, bring me back.

Take me back to the 90s.

I had fun with this, man.

Like I said, I'm about to throw the whole letter box community off.

I'm about to start fights.

I want to debate.

I want all of it because ultimately, I think I remember this being worse than it was.

But then it was the third movie.

I think I'm thinking about this.

I had no, like this was dope.

They changed the turtles in the third movie, too.

It was a difference.

Yeah.

Everything was different about the turtle.

And I think that's, to me, maybe connecting dots,

why seeing that Jim Henson of it all in the beginning,

it's just like someone else at shop was doing this.

And they unshocked it.

We had a good, yeah.

We really were kind of like you and good.

And then now I believe in that's not part of the canon for me.

One of the things in the credits,

and I want to move into favorite scenes in a moment,

but one of the things in the credits,

that I stayed and sometimes it's like no coincidences.

You happen to see it.

So they had in fight choreography.

And it had in there like a full line.

Ernie Reyes, Jr. does all of the stunt for Ernie Reyes, Jr.

I was like, yeah.

You know what, you get to be keynote.

You get to be on one because you're kicking people in the face.

Yeah.

For sure.

You left Thai mock, you know, to make it full connection.

You left Thai mock back in the last dragon.

You're like, I'm going out in my own.

I'm going to hang out with these turtles and figure some shit out.

And in the next ten years, I'm going to beat up the rock.

I'm going to beat up the rock in the next ten years.

You know, let's run down.

He earned it.

So here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

So I have favorite scenes.

I have probably four.

We've touched on each one of them,

but I feel free to add as I go along here.

Yeah.

And they're not in chronological order, just for context.

Okay.

Ninja Wrap is probably that whole chunk right there.

It's kind of undeniable.

You want to deny it because of, yeah, I know.

I know.

I can't, though.

You're right.

It's the green machine.

Gonna rock the town without being seen.

I'm gonna do it again.

I'm slamming down to the wall.

One day, you can bring it on.

I'm gonna do it again.

The super shred of reveal.

Definitely there.

It could have ran a little bit longer as you were touching on.

The last pile of wounds.

He must have drank all of it.

It's a super shredder.

It's just like, yo, just throw one punch at these negatives.

I wanted to see them, you know,

and I feel like some of the newer movies do it,

like when they kind of, you gotta fight them all at once.

Like, they kind of all kind of pull up on him,

but yeah, I agree with those two.

I agree with those two.

I like this one because of the comedy of it,

because it's so short.

I still like the Michael John White cameo.

I knew this would work.

Just remember, we get you win.

We find the foothead borders.

We get you out to tell the others.

Right.

Gee, maybe I should write this down.

Why?

Because he just leaves.

See, he's gone.

Got my attention.

Yeah, I was like, wait, what?

And then, you know, running back to the car.

Like, you don't think there's a gang of killers.

I didn't notice you.

Hey, I just got into the secret club.

Like, come with me.

That one was kind of funny.

Just wild blocking, wild camera work,

all of it was interesting.

And the last one is actually two of them,

because I think in duration and in run time,

they're not super longs.

I kind of combined them.

I think both fight sequences with token raise

are pretty good, actually.

Come on, guys.

It's not gonna work.

Yes, it is.

It's there.

It's there.

Yes, it is.

It's built into anything.

Oh yeah.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

Oh yeah.

No, no.

Oh yeah.

No, no.

No, no.

Oh yeah, no.

Numbers.

Good boy.

Little droops.

Yeah, because you get that mute and norm mutant situation

and show sort of the progress like they had to use their wits

because they're not going to outstrength these guys.

And they're not going to be a skier than them because you're

to scare them because you're the same thing.

So the first one literally, when I think Razor,

maybe it's the first one, it was in the second fight,

but Razor is spinning one of them around

and you just see his weird wolf face directly in the same

as like, this is terrifying.

Yeah, yeah, that was good.

I had to actually figure, by the way.

Really?

Yes.

Oh, man, I'm jealous.

Oh, I had a lot of the classic ones,

but I didn't get the movie figures

and I just was at my buddy's house the other day

and he had like the whole set still in the boxes.

And the, I was green with envy, bro.

I was, I was, I was tired about that.

I was on eBay earlier.

Look, I was like, okay, it should smash like $200

now to get one of those figures, bro.

One of the, you get those like original like cartoon figures.

Those are like 40 bucks on like Amazon, I don't know what I have you.

Yeah.

That's like, that's fine.

I don't want that.

I want to have like, because I know it's a reproduction

of the old Playmates joint,

but it's just like, I kind of just want that memory.

I don't watch the cartoons and I'll enjoy it

and going back down through this, just memory lane.

It's just like, you know, if you guys are gonna sell us nostalgia,

then do it a little bit more thoughtfully, I guess.

Yeah, don't make it so obvious that it's like a remake.

Let's see.

Did you have anything you wanted to add in terms of?

I love those scenes.

I'd say the one that I would add as well

is when Kino actually gets into the training area.

Kino, wasn't it?

You seem to be the only one worthy of a final test.

You'll have 15 seconds to move as many of the bells as you can.

One sound, and you fail.

Oh, and another thing, we work in concealment.

15 seconds.

Go.

He was kind of kicking, like he was like kicking people's asses

for a bit.

I was impressed with the ways that he was kind of responding.

Almost giving off like Lou Kang vibes

with some of the stuff that he was doing in there

when people were grabbing him and whatnot.

So I say that was on there as one of my favorite scenes as well.

Yeah, I mean Ninja Rap just kind of had it all.

I had the same reaction that you did where you kind of start off

and you're like, oh man, like this is cheesy.

Like what's going on?

And then when it just keeps going

and it starts kind of, they start doing the crowd work.

People start going crazy.

Like I almost view it as this extended thing

because it starts off silly, then gets fun,

then gets like even more wild and crazy,

and then essentially ends with shredder being blown out

of the room out of a window.

Like it's kind of a perfect scene for me.

But I'd say I agree with you on those four

and then just adding that little bit of fighting choreography

with Kino.

Okay, definitely as a good one.

All right, so in the last like few minutes here,

I have some questions that I think will be important

to ask in here.

Just, this is a quick one.

Yeah, which burrow?

Cause I think they're all from different burrows.

Which burrow, just pick a turd, which burrow is he from?

Where's Raff from?

Oh, okay.

Raff is from the Bronx.

Hahaha.

He's from the Bronx.

You might as well do that other three, then.

Yeah, yeah, let's just move to the other ones.

Raff from the Bronx.

Let's say Leonardo, damn, Leonardo is like,

I don't mean this in a disrespectful way

cause I'm midtown East.

I think he's like Upper East side.

The tracks.

He's kind of Upper East side.

Michelangelo Brooklyn.

He's definitely Brooklyn, but like a specific part

of Brooklyn, I could say Michelangelo is like Bushwick.

Okay, Bushwick Williamsburg

or what they call East Williamsburg now, right?

Like he's kind of hip with it,

but he still wants to go to the good food spaces.

He wants to go to the good piece of shops.

And then Donatello, where would Donatello?

Damn, Donatello.

Donatello, he's the hacker, right?

Yeah, yeah.

He's like Fied Eye, bro.

I'm sorry, Donatello.

I love all my turd, of course.

I love them all differently.

Donatello is like, honestly,

he's crunching numbers down in Fied Eye, bro.

He goes on, he has a vest.

He's going out to the spots, yeah,

for a brunch and shit like that.

He's kind of on some different energy,

but they're spread out.

I like that.

They're geographically spread out throughout the city.

And they bring in different experiences,

but Ralph, without a doubt, Bronx energy.

And I think that kind of,

why is he so, why is he do shit

a little bit differently?

Well, that's why.

That's good, it's good, break down.

So I got, let's see.

Professor Jordan Perry, I feel like he's back

to your stockman coded?

Oh, yeah, without a doubt.

He's playing kind of just like that archetype

without a doubt.

He was funny, honestly, I didn't mind him.

He was like kind of in between that

and like a Bill Nye kind of like he

had his quips and shit.

Yeah.

The actor always plays a villain by the way.

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

Okay.

Yeah, the way he got snatched up

when he had that ooze, bro.

I don't know, that shit scared me.

Come here, you.

Yeah, exactly.

It was kind of like that.

Like, yeah, come here, exactly,

exactly Joe Goldberg snatched us.

Nice.

Let's see.

So I got two, three more, three more.

A lot of football references in this movie.

So, you know, wishbone crunch,

if they're on the football around in April's place,

if they're on the ooze around like it's a football,

don't on the fight.

I'm going to just put it out there

because I don't think they're Giants fans.

I think they're Jets fans.

Oh, man.

Oh, that kind of changes a little bit of everything.

Gangrene.

Gangrene really kind of adds a level

of like darkness to their backstory.

They're Jets fans.

They're kind of used to suffering

because Brenner's a Jets fan,

because dad's a Jets fan.

Oh, yeah, okay.

And he's black.

You're right.

Got it.

I agree.

I agree.

They're going to the sewers.

They don't really have like the best lives.

He's like, I remember when Joe Nameth was here.

Yeah, exactly.

They're living in the past.

Okay.

Jets fans, for sure.

Let's see.

So, I think I know the answer for this,

but where the turtles live,

is that the station Mondani was sworn in at?

Wait, what station?

Where the turtles live at,

is that the same station where Mondani was sworn in at?

Bro.

I think it's in the city hall, the city hall station.

It's like under there, yeah,

because there's like the transit museum.

I'm actually trying to take Luke there soon.

Yeah, I think that's where it is,

because they have some areas that are still kind of preserved

to be the way that they were.

So I'm curious, that'll be something that I look up

and bring into the right up if it's that location,

but yeah, that's kind of what it looked like.

That's pretty tight.

Now, here's the last one I got for you.

This is kind of a two-parter.

So when did you occur,

you choreograph this dance,

this whole dance sequence in ninja rap.

That's what I'm saying, bro.

And it's dick pumping a part of ninja rap.

It is.

It has to be a part of it,

because not only were they doing it,

vanilla ice, he thought we didn't see him in the back there.

My man was aggressive.

It was aggressive.

I'm just like, what is happening?

And then it made me think of the Super Bowl halftime show

because bad money loves doing that pump move, too.

I was like, damn, this is kind of like it's all full circle.

Like it's all cyclical.

It's like poetry, right?

It rhymes.

We start with the turtles and we end with

where we are with the Super Bowl.

It's part of the dance, for sure.

And it's meant to be like a very important part of the dance.

Like it's, you're coming towards the end of it

and that kind of just leaves you with that image.

It's a thing that my partner says,

I think that was from maybe Black Lady's sketch show.

It's just like they had a play on this like 90s,

like New Jack's swing.

They were called the Hump Lords with a Z.

And that's literally what is happening on that stage.

You can...

Yes.

Chefkiss.

Yes, exactly.

Exactly that.

Ah, we got it.

And with the Hump Lords.

Perfect.

So, you know, in these final moments here,

I want us to be able to close out

and any final thoughts you have

or takeaways that you want to impart

from this movie on to folks, floor's yours.

Ninja Turtles 2, secret of the ooze.

Oh man, I mean, I'm just grateful to you

for bringing this one back to my attention,

bringing it back into this fear.

I hadn't seen it since I had Luke, my son.

And so the whole time I was watching,

I was like, damn, I can't wait until I can have him

like watch the first one and watch the second one.

Like, this is a few things I've been able to expose him to,

but this really brought me back to my own childhood,

the pizza propaganda, the humping and pumping,

the dancing, the, you know, the attitude

of all of it was kind of there.

And it also made me realize,

I just want to stop with number two.

Like, I'm not going on that number three.

Normally, when you watch, you know,

you watch the film, one of these series is like,

okay, I'm going to keep going.

I'm going to get through all of them.

No, I'll watch the newer animated ones.

Like, what is the newest one called?

You in Mayhem?

Yeah, that one's good, actually.

That was fire.

That was so good.

So honestly, I think I'll probably jump forward to that

and maybe start Luke with one of those

and then take him back to these when he's a little bit older,

right?

But this was a good time.

It's an hour and a half.

If you're just looking for something to do on a rainy day,

you want to relive some of those golden days,

our youths, the youths.

Yeah, throw this on, man.

Throw the first one on, throw this on.

This is a good, like, party, like,

get everybody together type of film,

especially if you're in that millennial demographic.