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So it would not surprise me if you look up at the end of the year,
especially if it's a 15-16 game season.
And we see Texas is top two, top three in the country and sacks at the end of the year.
Hey, what's up folks?
Welcome back to Only Texas Football.
And welcome back to Football Theory.
I'm like Tom Longhorn Rodd.
Babers, please to be joined by my good friend,
esteemed colleague and fellow football theorist.
Well, man, Jeff Howe.
We got a lot to talk about on the show today.
I want to get into Will Musch champ and his first year at Texas.
And what the expectation should be.
Should there be reasonable expectations and should folks out there be realistic
with their expectations for Will Musch champ?
That's what I want to talk about here because he's got a lot of talent there.
But it is his first year.
It is a new system.
Sometimes that takes a little while.
Jeff, what are your thoughts?
And I don't know, what are your expectations for Will Musch champ in his first year?
My expectations are pretty high for a couple of reasons.
One, it's not like Peek With Cowsky was feeling garbage defenses
as well as a couple of years of Texas.
And it's not like the 2024, or excuse me, the 2025 Texas defense
was air quotes bad.
There are some areas that slipped absolutely.
No question.
Otherwise, I don't think Sarc would have made a change.
But it's not like Texas was just non-competitive on defense.
So there's a baseline.
And the baseline is pretty high.
I've got high expectations.
And look, this may be,
I may be guilty, Rod, of going back in the way back machine.
And, you know, too much on nostalgia.
But I just remember the impact Will Musch champ made during his first one at Texas.
Now, for people that weren't around,
the 2007 Texas defense was bad.
Like, it was historically bad.
And still, if you look at some of the worst past defenses in school history,
it's still one of the worst, even all these years later.
Texas played through that era in the big 12 years later,
where everybody was throwing the football around,
like that 2007 defense was bad.
But the 08 defense was great.
And the 090 defense was historically good.
So I saw what Will Musch champ did with the pieces he inherited.
And he inherited Rod some really good pieces.
If you just think about, you know, Colin Simmons,
hero Connor, Alex January, you know,
Lance Jackson, Zeno Mosulow, the guys on the edge.
So you look at that defensive line,
you're Cade Phillips and Grayson Littleton in the secondary.
Even a linebacker getting a veteran like Tianth and he Smith,
a versatile guy like Brad Smiths.
Before you even talk about the guys you added in the portal,
you've got the core of what should be a top quarter defense in the SEC.
So a top four defense in the SEC was probably put you in the mix to be
a top 20-ish defense in the country.
Like I think you're the returning pieces you had with that good.
Now you add what you've got on the portal.
You add a Bermasco and go on down the list.
Yeah, my expectations rather that this team
is a national championship caliber defense,
which means you should be a top 20 top 15 type defense by the end of the year.
Yeah, I wouldn't look at some the last, you know, 11 national champions.
Crazy part about it.
These are elite defenses.
You look at the scoring defense for the last like 10 national champions.
You're talking about mostly top, like the top defense in the country.
If not top two or three defense.
Indiana was number two in scoring defense of how state was number one.
Michigan was number one.
Go by those Georgia teams.
They were both top five defenses.
You know, I think Batman 2020 was like top 15 somewhere around there.
The lowest ranked defense, so I'm talking about scoring defense here
for a national champion in the last 10 years.
It's just the LSU defense.
It's the one outlier.
Texas does have a really good offense.
And we talked to him and CJ says they go average 40 plus points again.
I think LSU is at 48, so crazy like that.
Well, you know, when you got an offense, that's that explosive and that prolific.
Yeah, your defense can be just, and it was still, I mean, top 30.
That's what they basically were.
It's still a real, that's still a good defense.
But it didn't take any lead or a great defense.
But lately, it's been a little great defenses.
Whether Texas offense be LSU good.
So the Texas defense can just be top 25 top 30.
Right.
I mean, if that's the case, I think you'd be fine there.
But I would just say this, I went and looked at first year DCs in 2025.
And this is why your expectations and a lot of lowland fans,
expectations should be validated.
They should be sky high.
Dude, 46% of the top 26 scoring defenses in college football in 2025
were first year defensive coordinators in first year defensive playcoals.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah.
I mean, it just shows you in the modern age of the transfer portal,
and maybe with the resources now that teams have to be able to teach
the obviously these young men the game.
And, you know, maybe they're coming in obviously a little bit more advanced too,
because the game, how the, you know, the game is trickling down
to the lower levels in a much advanced way.
Whatever it is, these defensive coordinators are coming in first year.
And they're not having much trouble in being able to, you know,
build a championship caliber defense, which is what, as I said, 46% of them.
And three of those are top five.
You're at four in the top six.
You're at five in the top 10.
Six in the top 12, I can go on.
It's, it's definitely got probably got to be a case by case basis, right?
I just look at, I mean, I may be wrong, but I just believe the very little
in football or in sports in general happens in a vacuum.
I think it's all, you know, got to kind of just look deeper within it.
Why we have to show it's why we have football theory.
But I think that where I would say that makes sense.
And I wouldn't, I'm not too shocked by those numbers is,
with as much turnover as there is in the portal, your offense is in general or a little behind
defense is even going back to before we had the portal in NIL.
Like most of the time, your offenses are starting slower compared.
You're really good offense compared to your really good defense.
I mean, even think about that 2019 LSU offense, right?
Maybe the greatest offense that we've ever seen.
Like it's, it's in the discussion, right?
Like 2005 Texas offense is up there.
The Cam Newton Auburn offense.
Like the 2019 LSU offense, maybe the best.
I've ever seen in my lifetime in college football.
But that offense didn't start out as a juggernaut.
Like remember, LSU came to Austin to play Texas.
And that Texas defense, the Texas defense that was so bad,
it got taught Orlando fired.
That defense was able to compete with that LSU offense.
Now, by the end of the year, would they have been able to do that?
Probably not.
But I think it just tells you, even in the best of times,
offenses tend to start slow.
I think it's easier for defenses to pick things up.
And it's that that process brought to me.
It's gotten exasperated with the portal.
It's so much roster turnover and how new things are.
So your offenses are going to start slower.
Your defense are going to start faster.
And when you look again, I just go back to when you look
at the defense, well, must-champ inherited.
You already had the bones of what should have been a top 30 type defense,
just with the guys coming back.
And then you add a regime bios.
And then you add a bone mask up.
And you add the pieces that you've added.
Yeah, you should be a top 20 type defense.
And I'll say this, though, one of the interesting things
with this defense, we're going to get a really good test
right out of the gate on how good this defense is.
Like, normally, how much stock do you put into,
you know, non-conference opponents?
If you look at Bill Connelly this week,
and CJ and I did a video on this on the channel,
actually, Bill Connelly had the returning production
article over the ESPN this week.
And he does a phenomenal job with the SP Plus and numbers like that.
But Texas states one of the top offenses in the country
in terms of returning production.
Got the quarterback back in Brad Jackson.
And anybody that knows anything about Kotlin's football
in the state of Texas, and GJ Kidney can coach some offense.
So you're going to face Rod probably a top 25 caliber offense
in the country, about out of the gate.
So if we'll machine up defenses on fire against Texas State,
I don't mean automatically book your tickets
for the National Championship game.
But that should be a really good indicator like, okay,
there is some substance here to the height
of bringing well-must-have back to Texas.
Yeah, no, I'm with you.
Like I said, I do think you make a good point
about offenses in general, starting a little slow
of the days with all the turnover that you're talking about.
There's no doubt about that.
But when I went and looked at the defenses for musk champ
in his first year, and just at the stop for,
he's a play caller, I did not include Georgia
because I didn't call the plays.
So I'm already including the play calling days here.
The training you noticed was because they were,
I mean, LSU was, I mean, that 2002 LSU team
in the Winnie Nationals, how do I believe the next year?
So that team had a ton of talent on it,
that Auburn team, that Texas team, that Florida team,
that he ended up on, those had a lot of talent on them.
They always had an elite trait their first year,
and they also had a flaw in a critical area
or maybe even tragically flaw in a critical area.
For that LSU team, I mean, it was a Nick saving coach team,
so not much, but they were a top five past defense
and where they struggled a little bit,
there was forcing turnovers, it was 71st, I believe,
in takeaways.
Auburn, his first stop there, that team was,
they were really good scoring defense,
they were top 10 scoring defense.
They actually were top 20, I think, total defense.
They were good, they were 46 and third down defense,
they were 57th, I believe, in takeaways.
So they were kind of average to below average in those areas.
Texas, remember 2008, terrible past defense,
because they were 105th, but they were really good
in rush defense, they were top 10 in rush defense,
and they were, they were a really good red zone defense.
They were at the top 10 red zone defense too.
Bad and third down, arguably, they were 55th and third down.
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Florida, they were top 10, third down defense in the country.
They were 83rd in Red Zone defense that year.
112th in takeaways, but they were really good in past defense.
They were top 10 past defense.
So you, at least the recent history says.
And at Auburn, the second stop,
they were terrible in third down.
They were 150th and third down.
They were actually pretty bad in takeaways too.
They were 98th in takeaways.
58th in Rush D defense play were good in Red Zone.
They were like 25th in the country in Red Zone defense.
Same thing with that South Carolina defense his first year.
They were great in takeaways too.
They were top 15 in the country in takeaways.
91st in Rush D defense.
87th in third down defense.
So recently, his recent stops first year seem to have a flaw.
Sometimes a tragic flaw in the critical area.
But you're going to be elite at something.
And this year, I do think because of the experience you have,
hopefully wherever you're flawed,
it's not a tragic flaw.
It's just that hey, they're not completely as well-rounded
as you'd like, but they're elite in a few areas.
In my prediction, they'll be elite in takeaways.
That's just what shout out to PK.
He's built that he led the conference in takeaways.
I've been second in takeaways in the last three years.
And that goes back to your big 12 years.
He've led the SEC in the last two years.
So the defense that he's built to the guys
they've been bringing in here,
they do have that mentality of taking the football away.
And must-chap, a third of his years as a play caller,
essentially, his team's been first or second
in his conference in takeaways.
So he's really good there too.
That's one of my predictions.
That's definitely going to happen.
Where else they're going to be elite at?
That remains to be seen.
Well, let's go back and look at that 2008 Texas defense
real quick, Rodson.
She brought it up.
I mean, I think you said past defense was an area
where they struggled.
It was a problem.
Yeah.
So let's look at a couple of things.
Look at the offenses you were playing, right?
That's the fact that Brian Oklahoma State offense.
That's Graham Harrell and Michael Crabtree.
Like, you were facing some of the offenses
at Chase Daniel and Missouri with Jeremy Maclin.
Like, you were facing that.
I've always said, like, 2007-2008 to me
was the peak of big 12 football
with the original 12 schools.
Like, I think that was great.
But what else did you have at Texas?
You had a very, very young secondary.
Blake Gideon was a true freshman.
We're starting.
Earl Thomas is a red shirt freshman.
We're starting.
Aaron Williams is a true freshman.
Where's your nickel back?
He's still had a young, shocking brown.
Curtis Brown has a true sophomore.
So you were still pretty young on the secondary.
Go to 2009, then that defense.
I think they either led the country and take away
is one of the world's top three.
And take away is because those guys
got a year of seasoning.
The other area where Texas was
elite under World Must-Champ and 08
that I think they can replicate.
They either led the nation or top five in the country
and sacks.
And a lot of Brian O'Racquay, I think,
had 11 and a half that year.
Sergio Kendall was close to double digits or right at it.
I think you've got a chance to do that this year
because you know Colin Simmons is going to get his
and the attention that he's going to draw.
It's going to open up things.
You can't double team everybody.
So on passing downs, someone is going to end up
getting single blocker.
Somebody's going to get a free shot at the quarterback.
And with as many versatile pieces as you've got,
and we talked about this, when you guess
you've got Colin Simmons, as he's going to draw attention.
But on a third down, on a sure fire passing down,
you can mix and mash your matchered passers-package.
And you've got the combination of like Justice Terry
and Lance Jackson and maybe Zeno Mosello
and Racine Bios can rush the passer.
And all these different guys, Brad Spencer,
maybe your most versatile piece in the defensive front.
Like Will Must-Champ, I know I said this
about PK Rod.
This is one of my first raises with PK last year's,
we didn't really see it.
I hope Will Must-Champ was really dynamic
and diverse with his third down packages
because you've got a lot of different guys
that have potential to get out of the quarterback.
So it would not surprise me if you look up at the end of the year,
especially if it's a 15-16 game season.
And we see Texas is top two, top three in the country
and sacks at the end of the year.
Yep, I'm with you.
Like I said, I think it'll track.
I think you know, the best predictor of future behavior,
future events and study pass events and pass behavior.
I think you're going to be elite in some areas
that are going to win new games.
And I think that's a good one about their sacks.
Maybe tackles for laws kind of having plays at takeaways.
And I think ultimately there'll be a couple of areas
where teams will be able to take advantage of it
just because it's kind of his first year.
And you can't, you know,
he doesn't have all the perfect pieces
to build his dish and dish yet,
but just give him a little bit more time.
And he's got, like you said, the generational talent,
this is going to be in my opinion.
It's, there's no excuse for it not being a top 25 defense.
Like it's, no, it's something happened,
something terrible must have happened.
If it's not top 25 defense,
it should trend toward being easily and mild that easily.
But it should trend toward being a top 10 defense.
If all these pieces play at a high level,
Collins Simmons generational pass rusher,
I think Jalana McDonald's one of the most versatile weapons
in college football, he can showcase that.
And you might have the best playmaking linebacker
in college football too.
Yes.
I mean, I go back to your 2001 defense rod,
which, you know, I always marvel at that
because how do you lose Sean Rogers
and Casey Hampton yet statistically,
you're better the next year.
Well, Quentin Jammer came back for a senior year.
This is a really big part of that.
But you also had a refreshment linebacker
who wound up being a college football hull of famer.
Yes, sir.
Generational talent.
It makes it.
And I love the Mac after all these years
that's finally talked about it,
that he went to Bull Reesa.
Well, we, Bull Reesa, will we only play three linebackers?
Then play four.
I don't care what you guys do.
You're not supposed to be on the field.
So I don't care if we go to a three, four defense
all of a sudden, just get the guy to the field.
So yeah, to your point,
generational talent doesn't make a difference.
I want to wrap it up with this though, Rob.
My one concern is I still think it's going to take some time
to tie the front end with the back end treatments.
Because it's been a challenge other than 2014
where when you had today, Baron and Andrew McCuba
and Michael Taft, just the synergy
that those three guys had, like you were just,
and you had, well, I don't think we knew it,
but like you had an elite defensive,
interior defensive line rotation
and an elite defensive line rotation period,
Collins Simmons playing a bit role as a true freshman.
Like you had, that wasn't elite defensive.
That 2024 defense was special.
Other than that year though,
the front end hadn't really been tied to the back end
in terms of coverages and fronts and blitzes
and things like that.
So it could take some time where I'm hopeful though,
is, if we talk about this,
I just didn't think that a second year
or less you've made enough plays on the ball
and you look at the end of the year
and you look at the team leaders and pass breakups.
Well, Grayson Littleton was up there
and that makes sense because as a freshman
playing the nickel as many snaps as he played,
you're probably gonna get picked on a lot
and have opportunities,
but at least on those opportunities
he made plays on the ball.
But the fact that Cade Phillips was number two
on your team in pass breakups last year
and only started three games,
like that to me tells you,
again, we talk about special talents.
If I mush him, I'm like, yeah,
I can work with a second there
where I've got Cade Phillips is one of my corners,
which put him on an island like you know,
he may get beat and all corners get beat
at some point in time,
but he's gonna make more plays than he gives up.
So I'd like the pieces he's gotten a second area.
I haven't even mentioned Jalani, 19 minutes into the show.
I haven't mentioned Jalani with Donald yet.
So I like the pieces,
but maybe the synergy rise,
maybe that takes a little bit of time,
maybe more than the people might realize.
Yeah, that's a great point.
I agree with you on that, Jeff.
And there's one more thing about those coaches.
You had two freshmen end up starting
in your second area, Texas.
So think about that also says a lot,
that you had two freshmen ended up slapping older guys
and taking their spots.
That says a lot about the upgrades needed
in that secondary, too.
There's no doubt about that.
Antio, what about DJ Sarc said earlier this week
that early Collins Simmons can wreck practice
whenever he feels like it, like he's that damn good.
I play with two guys like that,
that literally Matt Brown will take them out
of some practice, some reps.
And they were like, we got to sit at his side
so we can get some work done here
because they were just in a move to Rex up.
They didn't do it every practice with some practice.
They were just, they were feeling like a beast,
Casey Hampton and Derek Johnson.
Two guys they could just wreck practice
because they're in a middle of the defense.
So they own, they own.
They just like, we ain't getting no work done.
Everything stopped at the line of scrimmage,
behind the line of scrimmage, DJ out there,
DJ Sarc, they're wrecked shot
or Casey Hampton's in a bad mood.
It's somebody pissed about the day.
So everybody else go pay for it.
That those, those are only two guys in Texas
that I play with, like the interleague is different
because the league is too many good players.
So it's hard to have you and Aaron Donald
to wreck a practice.
But those two guys, those two guys
that I play with they did.
Yeah.
I think when we talk about the goats defensively in Texas
or how that needs to be the,
that needs to be the measuring stick.
Like do they have to pull you out of practice
because you were just gonna ruin practice
if they just, if you just have unfettered access
to just play full goal.
No, we need to take you off the field
so we can get some stuff done
because you're just too good.
Yeah, that's what I'm going to be talking about
with Simmons is in right now.
Yeah, he's exactly.
Think about that.
That's a different league right there.
All right, great stuff Jeff.
Appreciate you, man.
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