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Texas Independence Without War: Jason Fry on a Peaceful ‘National Divorce’ (Ep. 171)
About this Episode
In this episode, I welcome back returning guest Jason Fry, author of National Divorce: A Plan for Peace and a sixth-generation Texan, for a deep-dive conversation on Texas sovereignty and the practical path to a peaceful, legal separation from the federal system. We discuss why America’s core ideas—freedom, limited government, and God-given rights—aren’t the same as today’s federal apparatus, and how a “national divorce” can mirror a civil, negotiated split rather than war. We unpack state-level readiness (like the Texas Stock Exchange), fiscal realities, defense and currency considerations, the role of local leadership, and why a democratic referendum—not force—is central to any legitimate path forward. We also revisit recent border showdowns, post-election polarization, and how independence movements across states (and worldwide) illustrate that decentralization can reduce cultural conflict by letting regions self-govern. We touch on Jason’s faith and family perspective, his career and craft as a knifemaker, and the importance of preparing personally and politically: build strong families, support capable local leaders, and insist lawmakers let Texans vote on their future. Jason shares where to get his book (and a signed copy) and makes the case that a thoughtfully negotiated transition—much like Brexit—can protect prosperity and peace while aligning government with Texas values.
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(00:04:10) Opening from Eagle Pass and week-in-review
(00:06:23) Weekend shows: crypto picks and Bible study on wisdom
(00:11:19) Guest intro: Jason Fry on National Divorce
(00:13:06) Tech hiccups, Starlink chat, and warm-up banter
(00:15:16) Getting to know Jason: background, hobbies, family
(00:20:00) Faith, family, and politics: roots of Jason’s views
(00:21:32) Texas politics frustrations: taxes, speakers, priorities
(00:25:16) Outside money in Texas elections and state sovereignty
(00:27:30) California-Texas migration and cultural friction
(00:29:00) Upcoming guest tease and 2025 sovereignty signals
(00:29:38) Gold depository, TX Stock Exchange, and preparedness
(00:32:33) Does a friendlier DC slow independence movements?
(00:35:08) Polarization, violence concerns, and the ‘Judges’ analogy
(00:41:24) Shelby Park standoff: near-miss cautionary tale
(00:43:25) National Divorce explained: the marriage metaphor
(00:49:52) Addressing ‘civil war’ and treason accusations
(00:51:14) Can independence reduce polarization across states?
(00:55:23) One-size-fits-all governance vs. diverse states
(00:57:36) Perpetual union, realism, and consent of the governed
(01:04:03) America as an idea vs. the U.S. government
(01:08:36) Federal overreach and the case for robust federalism
(01:12:42) Post-breakup cooperation: trade and defense possibilities
(01:14:43) Independence movements beyond Texas
(01:17:37) ‘Post-TEXIT’ worries: Social Security and practicality
(01:20:51) Ballot access hurdles and party platform irony
(01:22:23) Who really funds what? Federal taxes and returns
(01:25:32) Donor states, spending priorities, and defense costs
(01:27:06) Keeping Texas dollars in Texas
(01:34:34) Immigration: borders, rules, and enforcement swings
(01:36:54) Executive orders, rule of law, and systemic drift
(01:38:15) How to prepare: personal resilience and local politics
(01:41:42) Let the people vote: referendum vs. legislature’s fear
(01:45:25) If it passed: process, not tanks—Brexit as model
(01:51:10) Negotiating currency, defense, and bases post-exit
(01:51:15) Why D.C. violence makes no sense against a vote
(01:54:40) Final case: divide on purpose, negotiate in peace
(01:56:36) Book plug: National Divorce and where to buy
(01:59:22) Show wrap, calls to support, and programming notes
- Wayne Rankin
- Rosanna Rankin
- Carolina Jimenez
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