TEXAS MOM NIKKI WINDER, CAR FOUND BURNING

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Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

A gorgeous young Texas mom, Nikki Winder, missing.

This after her truck is found on fire tonight.

Where is Nikki Winder?

I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crime stories.

I want to thank you for being with us.

Nicole Winder, a mother from Brasow's Texas,

is reported missing after leaving her caregiving job abruptly.

Tonight the search is on for a gorgeous young Texas mom.

Her truck found on fire.

Straight out to Dave Matt Crime stories investigative reporter.

What can you tell me?

Did nobody know she was missing until her truck was spotted on fire?

That's exactly it Nancy.

That was when they determined that we don't know where Nikki is

because the call came in to fire and deputies

about a truck possibly on fire.

When they arrive, when investigators arrived on the scene,

truck fully engulfed in flames.

And of course they start looking for the driver.

Well, there's no driver, nowhere around.

So they find out the car is registered.

It's a 2025 white Chevy pickup truck.

And that's the truck there.

They find out it is registered to call Winder.

And they immediately start tracking back and find out.

Nobody knows where she is.

The last time she was seen was an hour earlier leaving her place of work.

So we have a one hour window from her leaving work and her truck on fire.

Dave Matt, tell me the fundamentals.

The who, what, where, why, when as much as you know them?

We know she's got two sons.

We know tell me about the location.

Where is she missing?

We know the Nikki left her work at three o'clock.

Her truck is found two miles away one hour later on fire.

Now, those are the basics of what we know.

Because the information Nancy is very, very limited.

We only have a couple of pictures.

One of the truck that you can see she was very proud of this brand new

2025 Chevy pickup truck.

So for the enforcement, be able to find this vehicle on fire is shocking.

Nicole Nikki Winder, a young mom, is missing out of Brian, Texas, the county state of

Brazos County.

That is in the heart of the Texas Brazos Valley.

Now, last census, small town, 83,000 people.

Now, it's right there on the border of college station.

That's another city in Texas.

Dave Matt, what more can you tell me?

Talking about a road called FM 974.

Sounds for farm road.

It's just north of Highway 21.

This is in, as you mentioned, Brian, Texas, which is in Brazos County,

a very rural area where there's not a lot going on in the area where she went

missing in that two miles from the place of work to where her truck was found.

It's just a wild rural area, not a lot of buildings.

Joining us in all-star panel to make sense of what we're learning tonight.

I want to go straight out to Brian Fitzgibbons, Director Operations,

USPA nationwide security leading a team of investigators in finding missing people

around the world, former Marine, Iraqi, or that.

It's a lot different fits when you are looking

in a very remote area, for instance, with Nancy Guthrie.

We are looking out in the desert, huge swaths of land.

Haven't made it to Mexico yet, still looking there in Arizona.

As opposed to in Manhattan, there are traffic lights with traffic cams everywhere.

It's very concentrated with a lot of video surveillance, a lot of witnesses.

It's a whole other ballgame when you're in a rural area,

like Brian Texas. How do you even start, Brian?

Absolutely, and it's important to understand

that where Nikki was last seen and where her vehicle was low.

There's a couple miles north of any real population,

so you are your spot on. This is a very, very remote rural area,

farmland, country roads, and what does this tell us?

Within a couple of miles of where Nikki was last seen and within 60 minutes,

her vehicle was found burning.

So that tells us that this crime took place in haste.

This person either found her in a target of opportunity or the person

knew Nikki's travel path where she would be that.

When you said traffic pattern, Brian, it reminds me very much of another young mother,

Kiara Hudson. She had taken out restraining order after restraining order after restraining order

against her husband and ex-husband, and she even presented video to the judge

of her husband beating her and dragging her around by her hair.

As you can see, Brian, the attacks were brutal.

Notwithstanding a judge in his wisdom, let her ex out.

He knew her traffic pattern, just like you're saying, Brian, if it's Gibbons.

She took her children to school in the morning and her SUV.

She was so afraid, Brian, she had taken to wearing a bulletproof vest.

When her car came to a stop with the children in the car, Brian,

he comes up with a gun and shoots her in the head to circumvent her body arm.

He knew her traffic pattern. He knew exactly where she was going

and where she would be and at what time, down to the minute, dropping off their children.

Is that what you mean by knowing her traffic pattern?

Yeah, exactly. We have to understand that in this extremely rural area,

there's only going to be so many people who live there or frequent that area,

who would also have the chance to encounter Nikki in her travels.

So that limits the size and scope of the investigation right away.

And that's certainly one front that investigators will be looking at,

who was there, who knew she was there, who was there every day.

The second group is certainly a bigger group that could potentially have known about Nikki's

pattern of life, where she goes to work, when she's going to be there, and that this opportunity

was geographic in nature, given that, you know, there's not many prying eyes,

not many people walking around by standards.

You're saying shots that we're showing now, relating back to Kira,

HUD started by a strange husband, Adam Benefield, in front of her three children.

He had been released less than 24 hours before on an assault that occurred inside their home.

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He walked free on that.

And even with a bulletproof vest, she could not escape.

Straight out to Karen Stark, joining us, renowned forensic psychologist,

TV, radio, trauma expert, and consultant.

You can find her at Karen Stark.com.

And that's Karen with the sea.

Karen, thank you for joining us tonight.

My mind leaks immediately to domestic violence, because we're not hearing anything about a rape,

a sex assault, a theft.

It's not even a carjacking, because her truck wasn't taken.

It was set on fire, seemingly as if someone wanted to get rid of some sort of evidence.

But that said, it just screams domestic violence.

That's a very strong past.

It does seem like, even though it took an hour,

they were able to set fire to that truck.

And because this is there's a good chance they knew that nobody would be there,

that no one would be able to identify what was happening.

And as your previous guest said, someone seemed to be aware,

because there she was, and she was attacked that quickly.

So, perhaps there was, was looking to get revenge.

Joining us now, Dave Moyer.

You know him well.

K9 tracker, master trainer, K9 tracker,

program manager for military contracts, former Navy bomb,

disposal, master technician.

It goes on and on and on with San Bernardino's Sheriff's Department.

Dave, this could go so many different ways.

And I'm very curious why no one seems to be covering her case or demanding her return.

That really intrigues me.

So, when you looked at this case, first of blush, what was your thought?

My initial impression on this was that there were some planning,

and some legislative planning that went into her disappearance here.

Whether or not this is a plan on her part,

do you disappear and start a new life or whether or not this is somebody that you do?

Wait, did you just say whether she disappeared to start a new life?

Is that what you just said?

Yes, ma'am. It's always a possibility that when you see something with so little evidence

to go on that it may be somebody trying to disappear from society in general.

I mean, again, it is a possibility.

It doesn't sound very likely in this case.

Put it in my place.

Dave Moyer, Dave, she wanted to disappear so she leaves her children and sets her truck on fire.

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You know, another time I heard she's off to start a new life. I don't know if the name

Drew Peterson rings a bell to you. Drew Peterson, a former cop, had one dead wife that drowned in a

bone dry bathtub. Then his fourth wife, Stacey Peterson, goes missing. And that's exactly what

he told police. He told police she probably left with her new boyfriend. What new boyfriend?

She left all of her clothes for a vehicle, everything behind. So how did that work? I just want

to explore with you, Dave Moyer, the possibility that this mom left to start a new life. What?

The only thing that really makes that even a remotest of possibilities is the other lack of

evidence at this point for any foul play that may have occurred. Again, we don't have access to

all of the investigation that the local police have conducted, but it is something to consider

and rule out as the investigation is ongoing. Okay. Well, would that I agree with you?

I agree with you that it's something to consider and rule out. But Fitzgibbons, while Moyer is

right, you have to rule out all possibilities. Otherwise, you're going to have it thrown in your

face trial. I don't see anything that smacks of a voluntary abandoning of your home, all your

possessions, and setting a truck on fire. Well, that would be a pretty straightforward way

hypothesis to rule out, right? We would check financial information, things in her romantic life

if there were issues there, and investigators have undoubtedly done that, right? What we do know

is that within 60 minutes of Nikki being last seen at her place of employment, her vehicle was found

on fire, right? So that speaks to us that whatever went down went down in that location for a reason.

What do you mean by that, Brian? What I'm speaking to is the motive behind this, right?

That the perpetrator, if Nikki was indeed taken, knew her location, chose that location,

and executed it very well. Guys, we are bringing you all the latest in the search for a wonderful

young mom out of Brian, Texas, who seemingly has vanished without a trace. Karen Stark joining

as renowned TV radio trauma expert. I don't see it. I don't see anything suggesting that this was

violent. That doesn't make sense to me either because I can't imagine that she would take this

brand new car, put it on fire, and she is children. So that seems to imply what is most interesting is

that somebody was able to think this out enough to burn the car. And that isn't someone who had

hazardly just comes across quickly does whatever captures the search for missing mom Nicole Winder

is entering the third week. Her truck found on fire at an oil pad, an oil pad off FM farm road 974

north of highway 21. There are crews out searching day to day. The sheriff's office begging for

information. We ensure deputies and investigators identified the truck. They realized only then

that Winder had not been seen or heard from for some time. What does that mean Dave Mac some time

she had been seen or heard from for some time. And the truck was found two miles away from where

she was last seen two miles 60 minutes a very very small window to take a look at. What does that mean

Dave Mac that her truck was found on fire near an oil pad actually sitting on an oil pad which is

an area designed to capture oil petroleum type products to prevent them from getting into the

groundwater. That's it's just an area where her vehicle was parked and is specific for this for

an oil pad and trying to understand what the oil pad is doing in that particular area and why

her car would be parked there was it taken there to be burned or was she parked there don't know.

I'm wondering if the perp thought that the oil pad would somehow increase the

make the fire burn faster make it burn more get rid of the car more quickly because of the oil

being contributed to the fire it was also definitely ruled an arson to Dave Moyer joining us

San Bernardino Sheriff's Department. How would you determine right off the bat that this was an arson.

What you're looking for is any kind of incendiary devices any kind of initiation devices or the

presence of any accelerants or chemicals that would precipitate the fire. You know having

prosecuted many arson's Dave Moyer you're absolutely correct and this is what I learned

investigating and prosecuting arson's very often when an accelerant is used which is a very common

MO motor supply and dye method of operation you can actually see with the naked eye she don't

need a magnifying glass you can see where the accelerant let's just go with gasoline was poor you

can see where the fire fire started the burning damage will be much much more intense and extensive

at the location where the fire started think of a home think of a fire started in a kitchen the

damage done there as opposed to one of the back bedrooms will be much more intense because that is

where the fire originated for example sometimes let's just go with the Molotov cocktail you'll

actually find evidence of the incendiary device of the accelerant device such as a glass jar

here since it's a vehicle there's any number of ways to set it on fire but they knew at the get go

it was Arstow to care and start I find it very difficult to believe because of statistics

it's very rare that a female on her own without any urging without a co-conspirator starts an arson

fire of a very rare that's a man thing without a doubt that's a man thing and I think we're all

aware of that because women are not that aggressive it's not the kind of thing that a woman would do

they're much more past and I can't even begin to imagine can you that somebody would want to

set their own car on fire when they're so proud of this new car this new truck and it seems

improbable to me I can't I can't see that at all another case that's coming to my wife it's

gibbers and you and I worked on this one together is of Nikki Chang another young mom that seemingly

vanished off the face of the earth suspicion was heightened when a fire erupted at her estranged

husband's home was he trying to get rid of evidence and it all goes back to Nikki Chang truck

her truck was full of evidence including biological evidence that was traced back to Nikki Chang

you know there's some kind of a connection care and start between a person in their vehicle

so often we see women snatched out of their car and that car bears evidence it can be

blood it can be some other type of DNA and we see the car set on fire to get rid of the evidence

and I'm wondering if that's not what happened in the case of Nikki Winder sounds like that's

what happened there Nancy but I can see that because they often find like pieces of car material

that can trace back to whoever committed a crime and so that was very thought out to actually take

that truck and put it on fire because they didn't want there just they didn't want anybody to be

able to trace it to whoever did this day back what can you tell me about the search so far for

Nikki Nancy the search has taken place in two very specific areas they started at her place of

work at that residence and they and they did the search around where her truck was found on fire

these searches are large scale involving drones overhead canine teams on the ground and they had

air support helicopters and aircraft the main search area along FM 974 but they have had

to expand it as leads have come in multiple agencies involved in this as well as the Texas

Department of Public Safety Texas search and rescue and the search dog network all involved in

this very large search of two different areas so Dave Moir joining us what do you make of the use

of canines this is your specialty yes ma'am this is definitely has an application for area search

dogs which are dogs that will cover broad swatches of territory and searching for any live or

or deceased humans in that area and they're using their nose and the the environment to their

advantage with the wind direction and whatnot also here I don't know what dogs were used but

cadaver dogs are human or main dogs HRD for short would also have an application here because they

don't just find anybody that may be deceased in the area they also find any blood that might be

left over up or an evidentiary standpoint so it sounds like they really covered their bases

getting all the canine teams out there and covered those areas but to touch on the subject

somebody else brought up earlier if that vehicle was moved after the crime and was simply there

to be disposed of there wouldn't be any evidence there so if the dogs are not going to be able to

detect anything if it doesn't exist in that area Dave Moir what do you believe

authorities should be doing now to find it sounds like they're still going down the path that

I would recommend with using their area dogs and their HRD dogs and searching some large areas

as this continues to progress hopefully some more evidence will point them in the right direction

and get them into an area where the dogs can do some kind of detection again a dog is it's not

an area effect weapon you've got to use the dog in the area where it can be most effective so

that's going to be the difficulty in this investigation is finding where best to employ dogs

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crime stories with Nancy Grace

Erin start way in you know I'm not sure if this is correct Nancy but she left her workplace in

haste that she couldn't wait to get out of there for some reason and if that's true that's

really relevant because there was something that was happening that made her leave that quickly

and that she was aware of perhaps a phrase here and start your absolutely correct Nicole

Winder was last seen leaving work over two weeks ago it was after that her truck was discovered

on fire near an oil well brazos county now what we're trying to find out is if anyone has seen

her heard of her gotten a text gotten a call anything we also know that local authorities

are asking residents along fm 974 between highway 21 and macy road to review security and game

camera footage from fab 25 February 25 days I they've isolated that date or if you saw

nicky swite 2025 Chevy truck with black rims before it was discovered set on fire they are begging

for this surveillance video I want to go back to you regarding Dave Mac regarding an ATV what can

you tell me about that Nancy um at the pretty much same time that the picture of Nicole's 2025

Chevy truck was captured this ATV was also captured on video investigators have asked the person

driving this ATV to come forward but they haven't now all we know Nancy is that this story is big

around Brian Texas and if that was you driving an ATV that police wanted to talk to you

if there's an innocent answer you would call them and say hey that was me I was out riding around

for fun I mean who wouldn't come forward with that but this person has not come forward they're

still trying to investigator still trying to identify the type of ATV and who I'm very curious

what the connection is to nicky winder in the continued search for a missing brazos county mom

Nicole winder the sheriff's office begging for the public's help to ID an all terrain vehicle

it was captured on camera near the area where her truck was found on fire that is significant

bifus gibbons video surveillance catches the ATV near where her truck is set on fire that's

why they want it what is that ATV doing out by on an oil oil field and an oil pad at the same time

or trucks on fire yes so I don't think it's uncommon in a rural area like this that people will

have ATVs like this and use them around their properties so that ATV is probably located

you know garage it closed by this location so the fact that it's there is not surprising the

fact that it was caught on camera at and around the time of nicky's disappearance is certainly

makes us a potential witness in the kid day more you're I could not disagree with brinefist

gibbons more out in the middle of a rural and desolate area her truck is set on fire and then out

of the blue same location what a coenky dink is this ATV why is it there between 3 and 4 p.m

february 25 the day she goes missing near jack creek road and if it's not involved why didn't they

call in the fire think about it what about it moyer I would speculate to say that either uh

option a if this is somehow related to the crime and it was already pre-staged for our suspect to

be able to leave the area without leaving any ability for canines to track them to another vehicle

and if that is the case then then yeah obviously he's not going to come forward be I've lived in a

lot of rural areas and and I do agree with the prior gentleman that I mean guys use these out on

their property all the time it could be a service vehicle for the oil pad itself or it could just

be driven by an older gentleman that doesn't watch television very much I again these are possibilities

to rule out that is all I'm saying uh did you actually say this could be what a service vehicle

for the oil industry did you say that yes ma'am it could be I don't know what company services that

or service vehicle would totally ignore hey there's a fire and an oil field and again if they

departed the area prior to the fire or prior to someone being parked there it sounds like it was

there at the same time so I absolutely I'd be looking to this guy for a witness and again it

leans back to the option a I brought up it could lend that there was a lot of logistics that went

into this crime uh having an escape vehicle already pre-staged at that location okay wait a minute

wait whoa whoa whoa whoa nobody has said anything about an escape vehicle you just drop that army

an escape vehicle what wait you're not going back to Nick you winder wanted to start a new life

you're not going there are you oh no no man I'm I'm I'm simply exploring all the speculation that

could involve it we have so little information that I'm looking at all the different possibilities

if this okay tell me your theory about an escape vehicle I hold on hold on I got to get comfortable

for this what about an escape vehicle I'm not saying you're wrong I just don't know where you're

going like explain to me that this whole thing been planned out and they needed like they drove

the truck there and they needed an ATV as an escape vehicle I'm just guessing here yes ma'am

that vehicle would have been pre-staged that the actual abduction may have taken place in a

different location that was just the area they planned on dumping the vehicle so it was already

pre-staged they got there they burned the vehicle and then they had a that ATV pre-staged so they

could drive away from the scene so that that is an option that is something the investigators are

going to have to rule out okay I'm very very close to forgiving you Dave Moir for suggesting she

just left work in a hurry ran off disappeared and said her truck on fire to start a new life I'm

this closer forgiving you for that because that's a pretty good theory you just came up with one

thing I do know if it's given her body wasn't in that truck because to get rid of a human body

you have to have much higher a much higher degree of heat than that truck fire would have created

I mean you need an incinerator grade fire to totally get rid of a body hey I don't know if you

recall the cable darling Steven Avery was roughly convicted of a felony dismal jail time as soon as

he got out he murdered someone a young photographer Theresa Hallback the reason I'm bringing him up

is because he started a fire pit and his the back of his auto salvage law and according to his

own relatives and friends he stirred that fire pit all night trying to get rid of her body didn't

work there were tiny tiny bone fragments her teeth were still there and these studs off the back

of her daisy fwentus genes were in that fire and that fire burned all night long he suggested that

he was having a bonfire that said her body is not in this truck so where is she or her body

in this fire was clearly started as either a diversion or b to destroy evidence you know that's

what we typically see and when suspects are perpetrators are destroying a body human remains

they're not going to do that publicly viewable from the side of the road it's going to take time

it's going to require an incinerator that can generate temperatures high enough to destroy the

body so you know this was clearly in an effort to destroy evidence as a matter of fact Dave Mac

what is the temp needed to destroy a human body entirely 1400 to 1800 degrees in a recent report

the facts have been updated it's been determined she was lasting three p.m. the same day the day

Karen Stark is describing hastily leaving a residence where she was employed now the sheriff's

office spoke with family members and they were concerned about her say and the lord has been

issued it's a partner with the amber alert it's called a clear alert so at this juncture

ryan Fitzgibbons what should local authorities be doing to find niki first and foremost getting

the word out there to find that personal as a potential witness is in a good first step and

investigators are going to be keeping all the information around their investigation pretty close

to the chest right now because you know we have to believe that niki was targeted here if this

is indeed a okay to you Dave Moir canine tracker master trainer canine tracker program manager

for military contracts former Navy bomb disposal master technician I mean I could keep going on

and on but with San Bernardino Sheriff's Department do you agree or disagree with folks

this guy was just said what else can they be doing because I'm hearing nothing about this

investigation or her disappearance where is her family where is her boyfriend I mean where's

sheriff why are we hearing nothing about Nicole Winder and I'm going to back him up on his comment

the investigators are clearly going to keep any information that they have very close to the

chest as they continue to develop evidence in this case it does sound like there was a significant

amount of planning involved that there's no evidence in the scene of where the vehicle was recovered

and and just a touch on what the other lady had said earlier that it was it was burned up to

destroy any evidence which would absolutely do that if there was any evidence in there and even

the dogs aren't going to detect it for the human remains recovery dogs if there was in the

entire body there that's a different story they're just they got to put the dogs in the locations

as they develop this information where they're going to be able to detect any scent if she is still

alive or if she is deceased and she's been hidden somewhere there is a five thousand dollar

reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Nicole Winder five seven about 130 pounds

blonde hair blue eyes again tips can be submitted to crime stoppers who is offering a five thousand

dollar reward in the search for Nicole again if you know or thank you know anything regarding

her disappearance call the brazos county sheriffs 9 7 9 3 6 1 4 9 100 repeat 9 7 9 3 6 1 4 9 100

we remember american hero tech sergeant ashley pruit us air force just 34 killed in the line of

duty in Iraq leaving behind her husband turned widow Gregory and two children without a mother

american hero tech sergeant ashley pruit thank you to our guest but especially to you for being with us

tonight Nancy Gray signing off for tonight but i'll see you tomorrow night and until then good night friend

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