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What if the biggest health problem isn’t food…
but light?
In this deep, eye-opening conversation, Thaddeus breaks down why modern humans are living under an alien light environment — and how blue light, LEDs, screens, and 24/7 illumination may be quietly disrupting sleep, hormones, metabolism, mental health, and longevity.
From red light therapy and circadian rhythm mismatches, to melatonin, dopamine, EMFs, Wi-Fi, sunglasses, winter sleep, fasting, GLP-1 drugs, and why light acts like a drug — this episode connects dots most people never consider.
📚 What You’ll Learn
💡 Why blue light disrupts hormones & sleep
🔴 How red & infrared light support recovery
🌙 Why melatonin repairs the body at night
📱 How phones & screens affect dopamine
🧠 Why light impacts anxiety & mental health
⚖️ How circadian rhythm controls weight
❄️ Why winter sleep should be longer
🧩 Why fixing the environment beats pills
Chapters
00:00 Blue Light Is Hammering the Body
01:31 Why We’re Missing Red & Infrared Light
02:28 The “Weapons of Mass Illumination” Problem
03:34 Blue Light, Free Radicals & Mitigation
04:49 Melatonin Is the Master Antioxidant
06:31 Phones, LEDs & Circadian Destruction
09:01 Sunglasses, UV & Confused Biology
12:44 Why Humans Need Darkness to Repair
17:16 Light, Weight Gain & Obesity Explained
48:23 Fix the Environment — Not the Symptoms
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So a lot of the benefit is we're missing these frequencies so we're getting this hammer of
blue light hitting us all day long and that causes free radical in the body and free radicals
are fine like there's signal there's blue light in the sky but then there's red and infrared
to mitigate that and inside we never get that mitigation so getting under a red light panel
or a red light sauna or infrared sauna you're mitigating like all that blue light toxicity
that we're exposed to all day long.
Okay guys got fattiest here in Las Vegas there's a lot of light going around so hopefully
you'll be alright man. We'll make it through. Yeah I know you talk about light I saw you on
Alex Clark's show and you were talking about the different types of light I thought it was
a really interesting. Yeah so there's so many types of light and we only know a small percentage
right so like the visible light that we can see is like 1 to 2% of the whole spectrum of light
then our body is tuned to naturally. So we only know 1 to 2% of light. That's the only
amount of visible light that comes from the sun and even the visible light red, yellow, green,
blue all of those colors have an effect on our biology and all of the colors we can't see
have an effect on our biology so ultraviolet can't see it infrared but we know they have an impact
right because ultraviolet can cause us to get a tan or a sunburn totally invisible and there's
spectrums way beyond those that we probably don't even know about because we can't measure them yet.
I didn't realize how quite powerful light was until I got a red light sauna.
So red light is one of the like we're here under these crazy studio lights right and so I like to
say that we're a light poisoned culture. We're actually I as far as I know I invented this term
called weapons of mass illumination because all these lights that we are under all the time like you
can't technically opt out of these lights other than like putting on these crazy blue light black
and glasses right but what we're missing under these lights once we switched everything to red
and infrared I'm sorry once we switched everything to LED lights we lost red and infrared from our
spectrum indoors and we don't have any ultraviolet indoors so like why do red light sauna's and why
do red and infrared light panels have such a benefit to where like everybody in the NBA is using
them every trainer in the NFL wants their players using red light panels as well because we're
missing those frequencies they have a huge impact on our body and what they do is they mitigate
all this blue light that we're under all day wow and so a lot of the benefit is we're missing these
frequencies so we're getting this like hammer of blue light hitting us all day long and that
causes free radical in the body and free radicals are fine like there's signal there's blue light
in the sky but then there's red and infrared to mitigate that and inside we never we never get
in that mitigation so getting under a red light panel or a red light sauna or infrared sauna
you're mitigating like all that blue light toxicity that we're exposed to all day long that makes
so much sense why I feel it noticeably because I'm under these lights six hours a day you know two
three days a week and then when I get home and hit the red light sauna feel incredible that I mean
that's these lights are pretty powerful blue light spectrum so if you had a spectrometer and you
measure like this huge like a blue light causing like some people now are using they call it sunscreen
but it's actually a blue light screen so they make like a cosmetic or a sunscreen product
just for blue light because what they're showing is the blue light alone can cause something called
melasma which is like a color change in the skin a pigmentation of the skin cause not from sun
damage but from so much blue light that we're around well so like the the best thing you could do
like an environment like this is add infrared because it's invisible so like infrared is totally
missing from these lights but it's invisible so it's not going to mess with your studio lighting at
all and it's going to be part of the mitigation of all this blue light that's crazy so if you're
under the the wrong lights all day it could really be damaging to the body I mean you hear people
like Dr. Tom Cowan and they're and they're like all these people are getting cancer and they're
getting sick and most people are like how can we fix it with pills but the first question that you
ask if you had an aquarium and the fish get sick is like who put poison in the water well if we're
light poison from all this blue light like yes it's causing a huge problem in our society from
this one wavelength of light that we get without anything else backing it up so outdoors in nature
our biology is tuned to light so all the colors of light are read through different aspects of
our biology so like blue light and even ultraviolet light are read through our eye
and outdoors our body can read how much blue light there is and then when it sees the blue light
it destroys melatonin in the body and melatonin is what helps us sleep and get the benefits of sleep
so at night when we're sleeping this melatonin is a conductor of 10 additional hormones in the body
and it's the master antioxidant so if you think about like we're exposed to fluoride and we're
exposed to EMF and we're exposed to all sorts of poisons from glyphosate like what's cleaning
those up it's antioxidants like melatonin which is the most potent antioxidant known to man and
we're destroying it under all these blue lights wow i didn't know melatonin was an antioxidant it is
it is an anti-cancer it cleans up damaged cells so it allows us to repair and rejuvenate when we
sleep and it is literally the most potent antioxidant that we know about that's crazy wow
too we're also on our phone eight hours a day on average so that's probably not helping the phone
between as you're well aware the electromagnetic frequency from the microwave radiation but also
the phones have a lot of flicker from the LED diodes so what what people have realized is we have
swapped out traditional lighting which would have been fire light and then halogen and incandescent
somewhat but not exactly mimic a little bit more like fire light these LEDs are a completely alien
spectrum so i i call it like ALS which i know is probably like an acronym for a disease but
alien light spectrum so all day long we're under this alien light spectrum where we get these
different spikes of light that the body is not used to seeing and being under all day long and
because our body is literally tuned to the sun so we know about circadian rhythms i know you've
heard of like how important circadian rhythm is and it's really just like a 24 hour cycle that
the body goes through it's built into our biology and it sets what we're hungry for the foods we crave
whether we gain weight and whether we get good sleep or not and that is set by light and dark
specifically by blue light and darkness so when we see blue light like from the phone
which is an LED device so are all your devices at home whether it's your television your tablets
the overhead lights all those are LED lights they all have a ridiculously high amount of blue light
and that is changing your circadian rhythm every single time you see it um darkness is the only
thing that starts the repair so when we see morning sunlight we start our circadian rhythm for the
day and we set our melatonin clock to give us that master antioxidant at night and when we see
darkness we start the repair function of melatonin but because our culture like the weapons of mass
illumination we never turn out the lights it is always light whether you've got LED chargers
whether you know it's past sunset and you want to have the television on or you want to cook dinner
at you know nine o'clock at night we can all do that nowadays and that's stopping that darkness
cycle from completing our circadian rhythm to the point where we do the repair rejuvenation
choose light poisoning it's i'm going to start using that term it's legit like especially these
phones right because we we not only keep them on us 24 seven but we sleep with them too yeah
and so like first thing you do in the morning or even if it's two in the morning and you can't
sleep you turn that phone on and I mean like even the new iPhone it's just it is blasting you
with so much blue light and then people think like oh I can dim the brightness you're not changing
the spectrum on your phone it's still a ton of blue light even though you dim it and the iPhones
used pulse wave modulation it's just basically means like when you dim your iPhone it flickers more
which causes stress in the brain which then makes it so you can't sleep as well anyway wow that's
crazy there's get this thing out of your bedroom guys you know what even if you keep your phone
in your bedroom you can do that but don't look at your phone as the first thing you do so like
put it on airplane mode and then it can still be your alarm clock it will still work people kind
of freak out they're like I put my phone in airplane mode it can't work it as an alarm it totally
works as an alarm in airplane mode it doesn't do anything it's like you have Wi-Fi right you don't
need it no oh you don't even need that oh well you don't need you don't need bluetooth you don't
need Wi-Fi and you do not need your cell service on whatsoever you're alarm on your phone will
still work you won't get a phone call but you're you're alarm to wake you up still works fine and the
other thing I always tell people is either keep a pair of blue light blocking glasses like next to your
bed when you actually look at your phone because as soon as you blast yourself with blue light at two
in the morning that's gonna wake you up and it can stop your melatonin production for up to four
more hours hold it as much as you're gonna sleep that's not so either put on a pair of blue light
blocking glasses and look at your phone or just get like a battery powered red LED clock that
you can put in your your bedroom because the red is not gonna stop your melatonin it's battery
powered so there's no EMF from the electricity no magnetic field from the electric field from
the electricity going into it and then you don't have to turn your phone on to see what time it is
I just went to the eye doctor they actually made contacts that block blue light now too
really yeah what about ultraviolet light in the context I'll find out I'm not sure so the one
thing that I always encourage people to check with their contacts is find out if they block ultraviolet
light because most contacts by default and as far as I'm aware there's two brands that I don't know
the name of of contacts that don't block ultraviolet light so when we go outside we need ultraviolet
light because our body reads the time of the day the time of the year and how much UV is in the sun
to know how much melanin to make on our skin to protect ourselves so when you block all the UV
light like with glasses contacts or sunglasses your brain doesn't read how much UV there is and we
can get sunburned faster but also reading the time of the year helps us determine like when should
we be gaining or losing weight when should we be fertile so we have a lot of people with infertility
issues a lot of that is from covering themselves up from the sunlight and only operating in an
alien spectrum where we spend 95% of our time indoors and 5% of our time oddly enough is driving time
and that's counted as outdoor time which I would argue most people are not keeping their windows
and sunroof on them yeah I would consider that outdoor time at all no so if you can look at your
contacts and find a contact maker that can put the blue light coating in but if they can
not put a UV coating in not put it on yep okay it's really important to get ultraviolet light
and dawn so like sunrise sunlight in our eyes because it sets a melatonin clock for 16 hours later
so if you want to produce melatonin at night when you go to sleep the first thing you want to do when
you get up is not grab your phone and look at it but to get outside and see the natural sunlight
within 30 minutes of dawn would be ideal but if you get up at noon because you slept really late
then getting outside first thing sets that melatonin clock for 16 hours later which means it could be
four in the morning before your body starts to release melatonin based on when you get outside
and if you've got contacts glasses or sunglasses on you don't read the signals the same way
and the clocks get totally confused yeah I don't think all of it were sunglasses again
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sunglasses were invented in the 1920s wow they were invented for movie stars under studio lighting
these lights so the lighting for movie stars was so bright and there were no such thing as sunglasses
so their eyes were used to native sunlight and when they came indoors they were used to dim light or
fire light and these studio lights were so bright they started wearing sunglasses so this really
smart guy his name is Sam Foster he's like if everyone wants to look like a movie star I'm going
to make sunglasses for everybody so sunglasses were never invented for health or even for outdoors
they were inventing for movie stars indoors and then for all the normal people to look like movie
stars wow I never knew that they were totally so it's purely an aesthetic thing for sure
now that's not to say like if you're skiing and you're on snow all day long or you're on the water
all day that you might need to protect your eyes from some UV I wouldn't wear them all the time
on the water but that might be the only time I would say like you might want to wear sunglasses
to protect your eyes but otherwise like we talk about you know bill gates and all these and Harvard
University have these plans to dim the sun and like oh my gosh that might be really bad if we dim
the sun like what happens to the plants and the animals and the humans if we dim sunlight it can't
be good well that's what we're doing when we put sunglasses on is we're dimming the sunlight
that's coming into our own body and when we see so much dim light what happens is we start craving
carbohydrates and then we put on more weight so there's all these unintended consequences that's
happening when people put on sunglasses when in fact their eyes are sensitive to the sun
because they're indoors for 95% of the time and when they're outdoors they're wearing sunglasses
why is it whenever I see bill gates name lately it's something with a weird health thing
I couldn't even know he was doing that but it's just like why now he's trying to make a vegan meat
or whatever to yeah lab-grown meats water vegan butter I see all these legal notices come through
my desk and I do a lot with corporate law and I'm my main job and I see a ton of stuff on lab-grown
meat where it's being approved and not approved and the names they're allowed to use and in some
cases they can call it like cultured chicken so you think like that sounds really good but cultured
chicken means it was grown in a lab and so trying to figure out like what do we name some of these
alternative meats is really important because somebody that doesn't want to eat lab-grown meat might
just go to the store and grab something that has the word chicken on it and it's not even
real meat how are they making those meats though they're grown from cell lines so they culture
cell lines from some sort of either animal or stem cell and then they have a method to grow
from those original cell lines other compounds so like if you've ever heard of people in the vaccine
space right that they use these immortal genes they're like these cancer genes from one lady
that they grow something that goes into the vaccine from those cancer genes from one lady originally
oh well they don't use the human genes or the human cells themselves but they use those cells to
produce a protein that goes into a vaccine we can do the same thing not we someone else can do the
same thing with other animal cells where they can culture those cells to grow specific proteins
that you can then blow up into actual meats that are actually probably made from something like
bacteria's and yeasts but they use the right proteins to taste like a chicken or a
chicken. Have you tried it? I have not nor will I put it in the future. Sounds sketchy to me.
You know like with all that new stuff it's like do you want to be the first person to experiment
with it? No, I'm not getting neural link on myself. Oh my gosh right. Yeah no long-term studies
yeah no long-term studies maybe in 30 years. Yeah I mean when people have gone through enough time
that you're like okay are these things safe what are the long-term consequences? I mean it's just
like LED lights yeah like are the LED lights all around us a science experiment essentially
because we've never lived under such an alien spectrum. We don't know the long-term effects yeah
we don't know for all of human history what have we seen at night? Firelight and moonlight
or darkness nothing else there's nothing that we've seen until the incandescent when we electrified
the light bulb back in the early 1900s and then by 1950 we had electrified and lit up almost
everybody's home in the US. So only since about 1950 1960 have we even had indoor lighting
from electric light bulbs and now we changed everyone of those electric light bulbs when we
banned incandescence to LEDs with these completely alien spectrums that were never intended to heal us
they are not intended to be healthy they are intended to allow us to work longer into the night
so factory owners could run three shifts. So they were intended for us to see so we could do a task
never intended to help us with health and in fact they are destroying our health the more that
were under them. So you can't buy into incandescent anymore? So they were banned for a short time
based on the US federal government and now there is no longer a ban on incandescent but they are
almost impossible to buy so we were at a conference in Salt Lake City last week and I had a gentleman
come up to our booth and he said where do I get incandescence because he claimed that he would go
to every garage sale ever and just buy every incandescent he could see because there's nowhere to buy
them now. So they might not even be illegal anymore but you cannot find them. So the manufacturers
stop making them? They stop making them as far as I can tell they don't make them in the US so if
you can find a source overseas where you can find incandescence they're still available but it is
not easy to get your hands on them. I'm going to go on Alibaba when I get home. Exactly. So they'll
make them for you for sure you have to be careful when you go on Alibaba or even Ali Express right?
A lot of scams. There's a lot of scams and they'll say Edison incandescent bulbs but they'll be
LED so you really have to look to make sure you're actually getting a real incandescent and another
story that someone told me is they went into these catacombs under New York City where they keep
like really wealthy people's remains for hundreds of years. They've kept them in these underground
crypts and they're using an Edison bulb from 100 years ago to light these crypts and it has never
gone out. It's the same bulb. So we think like Edison bulbs don't last very long but that's because
the ones we typically buy at the store are made to not last very long and same with the LEDs but even
an Edison bulb can be low energy like an LED and last for a hundred years. Holy crap. So according
to what's under New York City in the catacombs it is possible to run an Edison bulb almost forever.
That is nuts. It's amazing because there's all this technology out there that we could be using
that's not as altered a spectrum. It almost makes you wonder like why are we using these LEDs
that are such an alien spectrum and why did we put them? I mean everywhere everywhere.
It only lasts like three months over then you've got to replace them. Exactly and it's over the whole
world like it doesn't matter if you're in Europe, if you're in the airplane, if you're at home,
if you're at the gym it's all the same bulbs now. And another thing that people don't know about
those bulbs that I think is fascinating. I don't know if other people do but they emit microwave
radiation. So it's like since when does LED bulb emit microwave radiation but if you look at every
LED bulb package it will say FCC certified. That's the Federal Communications Commission. Why do they
have to be certified to meet FCC standards because they give off microwave radiation from an LED bulb
and it could interfere with pacemakers that are installed in the body. Holy crap. Most people have no
idea that when they put these LEDs everywhere in their home if they're sensitive to EMF that they're
creating more EMF from the bulbs themselves. That is nuts. I literally got rid of my microwave a
couple years ago. I didn't even think about light bulbs emitting microwaves. Yeah most people have
never heard of that but you can look it up and each bulb has to be certified to not emit a certain
microwave frequency that interferes with things like face makers. So it's totally something that people
are unaware of and I think like you put these LED bulbs right by your head and by your nightlight
right and they're just emitting sometimes this microwave energy that you need to at least be aware
of that. The other thing that I've been told with the LED bulbs is it's really easy to embed like
cameras but also use the microwave frequency for communications. So if you know the frequencies
that are being emitted by LEDs you can utilize those like the Wi-Fi router in your house to visualize
what's inside of your home. So if you've ever seen like renderings of somebody's Wi-Fi router
showing them what the inside of a home looks like just from the Wi-Fi router itself that is
something that's possible. So I always at least tell people if you have a Wi-Fi router and you use
Wi-Fi turn it off when you go to sleep. That is nuts. You can know what someone's house looks like
just from the light. That is from the because the Wi-Fi is a microwave radiation signal which most
people don't know this it's the same signal as your microwave. So if you open up your microwave oven
somewhere inside your door or maybe on the back of your microwave but often it's inside the door
there's a sticker and it tells you the frequency your microwave runs at. It's 2.45 gigahertz and that's
just the pulse wave frequency that those microwaves come out at. If you look on the back of your Wi-Fi
router it also states 2.45 gigahertz. It's the exact same as your microwave oven and so it's the
same frequency it's just lower intensity so it's kind of like when you dehydrate something in your
microwave if you cook a steak in your microwave and it gets dehydrated. This is a famous quote from
like Dr. Jack Cruz. You're basically dehydrating yourselves all day long with a Wi-Fi router and
that that microwave radiation is a light. So as we talked about full spectrum sunlight there are
microwaves that come off the sun. It's just that those microwaves in the frequency that our cell
phones and our Wi-Fi run at they never reach the earth. So in your home when you put in that Wi-Fi it
is a light and that light if somebody taps it appropriately can be utilized to visualize what's
in the rooms of your home which is insane to me. Like people can spy on you not only from from the
camera on your phone or the Alexa that you installed but also just your Wi-Fi. Yeah I was
gonna say that's definitely being weaponized at that. I can only imagine it will come out later
because it's just like the cell phones. When now it seems like everybody knows you should cover
your cell phone camera because anybody can utilize that camera without you knowing that it's on
and then they can download that data into an app that's active once you reconnect to the internet.
And now I think what will come out later is a lot of these Wi-Fi routers are being used to map
people's homes. For whatever reason maybe it's a good reason maybe it's not but if you don't want
that happening maybe like shut your Wi-Fi router off when you sleep and you'll probably sleep better
anyway. Yeah you probably will between the Wi-Fi and the 5G towers next to your house and
the light pollution and hopefully you're not living next to a 5G tower. The good thing about 5G is
it doesn't penetrate most homes. It can move through glass but if it's true 5G which I would say
most of the 5G towers that are installed today are not using true 5G. They're using 4G LTE
advanced which can move through your home and it goes through walls but 5G is such an incredibly
strong directed beam of energy that the way that it runs it doesn't pass through solid walls.
It'll pass through windows and if you have a device like your cell phone that you're calling for
5G to come to your cell phone through a window it'll go to your cell phone and then it can go
throughout your house to other devices. Wow but it won't just pass through like a normal wall.
Oh so it's not as strong as 4G? It is more powerful in terms of the energy that that passes through
you when it goes through your body but because of the wavelength it's not able to penetrate
walls as easily as 4G. So 4G is a lower energy EMF, a lower energy microwave but it can pass
through walls and it's always on. 5G is not always on so true 5G is only turned on when your phone
calls for it to be pulsed towards your phone. 4G LTE is always on and it passes through walls
so I would say like even though 4G is not as intense as 5G it might be more dangerous because
A it's always on and B it's passing through all the walls of your house all the time. That is
interesting. When did you come out with the book was it recently? So this book is a kind of like a
rewrite of what I made earlier. So earlier I wrote the first version of the book so maybe three
years ago and so this version just came out at the beginning of this year. Got it. And it's basically
the ketogenic hibernation diet so the whole book is about how we have lost winter in our society.
So not only do we not turn out the lights right we keep the lights on 24-7 especially
you're in Vegas but in your home when the sunsets it could be 430 in Wisconsin where I live when
the sunsets we're not going to bed at 430. So in the winter when the sunsets early and we turn
all the lights on we start having a circadian mismatch which causes problems in the body.
In addition we live at room temperature all year round all year round it's like 72 degrees
so your car your home the gym work wherever you are is 72 and if we're 95% of our time now indoors
we never experience a temperature fluctuation in our body which means our body constantly thinks
that it's summer and by turning lights on after sunset we think it's the long days towards
the end of summer and we should be storing fat and craving sugar for a coming winter
but winter never comes so we never get a break from eating carbohydrates from craving sugars
and from having the lights on and that can cause a lot of chaos in the body so my whole book is
written about people that live in a northern climate how can we actually allow winter to come
in to our bodies by getting cold once in a while by eating a ketogenic diet not all the time but
just for a short time in the winter when a carbohydrates wouldn't normally be available
and by sleeping more in the winter than you would in the summer and the theory is that you can
reverse a lot of things that you've done to yourself during the summertime including eating a ton
of sugars that can lead to prediabetes if you're getting cold and you're not eating a bunch of
carbohydrates and you're sleeping more maybe you can reverse all those things in the winter.
You're supposed to sleep more in the winter though. I honestly think that if you look at all of our
history so in 1910 men and women slept 500 hours more a year than they do today wow and that's
because we have lights on all the time and so those lights cause our cortisol to be higher. Anytime
we turn on light with this huge spike of blue we're increasing cortisol and destroying melatonin
so we get more stressed so we're not as tired so we stay up longer and then we feel like we're
a night owl and we need to do more work but in fact like every study shows there's no such thing as
as a night owl for a man or a woman for an owl or rat or a mouse they do have nocturnal biology
we don't so anytime we act as if we're night owls and stay up long into the night there's a cost
to our biology and in winter it gets darker earlier especially if you live somewhat north of the
equator and likely our ancestors as we've seen with the study on how many hours they slept in 1910
we would sleep more in the winter because it's just darker for longer and if we sleep more in winter
we're producing more melatonin and more melatonin is the master antioxidant and I call it the master
anti cancer hormone as well because it's cleaning up damaged cells while we sleep so should we sleep
more in winter absolutely doesn't you know does it make it easy in a modern society to sleep more in
winter probably not but you can do it I mean we sleep on average six to seven hours in the summer
and at least my wife and I do and in the winter we sleep between eight to twelve hours a night
totally crap there's a way to do it's twelve hours how impressive it's so there's a book I'm
called Lights Out by T.S. Wiley and she studied this impact of artificial light at night on men and
women and how much you crave sugar and carbs and and her contention is that you should sleep
as much as possible in the winter without getting fired or divorced you can sleep as much as you
can without doing those two things that's what you're supposed to do in the winter twelve is
impressive you got to be taken melatonin right no so here's the thing so melatonin is a billion
dollar industry right and the reason it's a billion dollar industry is because we've totally messed
up our light environment so you can produce your own melatonin if you're not exposed to so much
blue light after dark and after dark in the winter is a much longer period of time which means you
can produce way more melatonin in the winter naturally so you're if you do this naturally by
blocking the blue light at night or at least having darkness before you go to sleep for at least
two hours before you go to bed but ideally for as long as it's dark out you will produce way
more melatonin which I'll let you sleep a lot longer well I need to get those blackout curtains
for my better blackout curtains are key having a primal sleeping environment so cold dark and
no EMF like those are the main criteria if you want to get better sleep and then making sure
that you're not exposed to too much light before sleep because that's going to increase your stress
and destroy the melatonin which repairs you when you sleep yeah and you're not supposed to eat
right before right there's been quite a large number of studies that show that people that eat
after dark not even right before bed but people that eat after dark gain significantly more weight
than people that only eat during the the light hours of the day so a you don't want to be shoving
a bunch of energy and calories into your cells when they're trying to sleep they're trying to
use the energy to rejuvenate and repair while you sleep and if you just ate a big meal now they
have to totally change what it is that they're doing and you lose all that time to rejuvenate
and repair there's actually a study recently I think it was in 2014 that had two different sets
of mice and one set of mice had a certain amount of food so they tracked the calories they ate
in a certain amount of exercise they tracked how many calories they expended the second set of mice
same thing they fed them the exact number of calories this is the first set and had them exercise
the exact same amount so same calories and same calories out one set of mice was exposed to 24
hours a day of light and one set of mice had 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness the
mice that had 24 hours a day of light were obese and the mice that had 12 hours a day of darkness
were normal weight the only difference was the light not how much they ate and not how much
they exercise holy crap so light is a drug and the amount of light that you get in your body
of the wrong type can absolutely dictate how much weight you gain what food you crave and what
weight your body wants to keep it's starting to add up for me I used to always think it was the
food system but when you see photos of people on the beach in the 60s 70s no one was overweight
there's a lot of factors right so like light back then they didn't have any LEDs right they
got more sleep than we did so they had more melatonin around they were mostly I don't know how they
ate their meals but most people had family dinners and did things together during the light hours
and did sleep a lot more when it was dark the food system was better back then because like
I mean in 1950 you didn't have to have organic because everything was organic they just didn't
use the same pesticides and herbicides that they do now they because they didn't exist so there
are a lot of things that are against us now from our air our water our food supply and our lighting
I mean you got to really take care of yourself a little bit differently now than you had to in the
past absolutely I'm sure your work censored all over the place so one of the things that I find
odd is a place where I'm censored that I shouldn't be is in the community that research is food
and exercise like these food and exercise scientists and researchers they don't want to look at
light because if light can act as a drug then it invalidates all of their studies while on diet
and actually don't factor it in they don't factor it in which means if you're not factoring in
light and we know that it acts as a drug because the the Johns Hopkins study on those mice proved
that it acts as a drug and it can cause you to become obese from the light what light
environment are their test animals under when they're testing food and exercise so not only there
um we were recording a podcast back in late 2020 and Facebook totally just like shut off the sound
that was peak censorship to it's what it was yeah I had no idea it said it actually Facebook said
that we were playing music that was copyrighted but we were just having a conversation like this
no music turned on yeah so it's been interesting that was a rough year man you brought up vaccines
you brought up anything controversial in the health industry you were getting censored totally
and it's been hard for us to recover even to this day like are some of our stuff is still
shadow band to where they don't show it to as many people well and I think if you're telling people
about natural things like even on YouTube you're not allowed to talk about sunlight being able
to heal anything no way you can't say that on YouTube they will either bury or ban your video
and we've had banned videos on YouTube for things that were totally natural and they just I don't
I don't know why either they think that there's not enough data but there have been numerous studies
including like in Sweden the Carolinska Institute super famous Swedish Institute Oxford University
and I think it was Loma Lina at University in the US have all done studies that show that people
that are outside the most live the longest and that's sunlight healing people essentially but you
can't say that on YouTube yeah you could say nature's healing but once you mentioned sunlight
for some reason yeah and there's studies that prove it so I'm not quite certain why that
policy came about on YouTube but sunlight is legit and our body uses it because in 2017 the Nobel
Prize in Medicine was given to three scientists who they say discovered although it's been known
for decades that the circadian rhythm based on light has everything to do with our health
that was the Nobel Prize in Medicine it's not like information that's like conspiracy what's
there's your son what do you think of Brian Johnson's sunlight strategy I think I would not be
following Brian Johnson's sunlight strategy so that dude is afraid of the sun yeah and every
study that's been done shows that the more sun you have the less you die from all causes like all
causes so if those studies are showing that I'm not quite certain why he's so afraid of the sun
it seems like you'd want more sun and even if you're not getting direct sunlight just
being outdoors in the shade gives you an intense benefit from the sun even without being directly
in it so his strategy of covering up he uses chemicals to cover up I think you should always cover
up with clothes not chemicals if you're going to cover up right but I mean he's using umbrellas
he's doing all sorts of things to never get in the sun and I just think that's not a very well
out strategy yeah he uses sunscreen granted it is mineral base which is probably the one to use if
you're going to use it right but I'm not a fan of most sunscreens I mean you're again you're
covering up with chemicals not clothing you can cover up with clothing just fine and it blocks the
sun same with a hat if you want to do that versus chemicals and just like what we were putting
in our water like these PFAS chemicals per floral alcohol substances right we put PFAS in the water
and for 30 years they were fine like nobody cared you're all drinking it and now it's a toxin
and it's a known toxin and they had to remove it from all the water so same with sunscreen you're
putting these chemicals on your body that today they don't know if they're safe or not they think
they are but tomorrow they might find a chemical in there and say oh all that stuff you put on
your body forever it's not so safe so my first thing is yes if you're going to use something to
block the sun clothing first before chemicals and then the mineral based sunscreens make a huge
deal of sense versus chemical based sunscreens what do you think of the GLP one shot so a lot of
people are taking those now right so people are micro dosing them people are full on taking the GLP
one shot and essentially there's there's a couple things that I'm seeing one is like you're now a
laboratory experiment because there's no long-term studies on what happens when you stop taking it
and it seems like people that stop taking it have a lot of issues and so are you now on this drug
forever and what are the long-term consequences of being on this forever I just don't really think we
know what we do know is that people that use the GLP one shots they're losing weight but 35%
of the weight they lose is muscle mass and so people that are probably this may not be true for
everybody but people that are probably not moving their body and working out enough already are now
losing more muscle mass that's not a good combination for the future so to me I think there's a lot of
unknowns in the biohacking community people are micro dosing GLP one and they say it's like a
neuro benefit so a benefit to your brain yeah honestly like you could probably take creatine
or you could get out in the sun in the sunlight so between sunlight and creatine or just like
physical activity I and I honestly think creatine gives you all the same benefits that probably GLP
one does and it's way safer and way more steady and cheaper way cheaper you don't have to inject
yourself to explore some in your water or your coffee and it's it's well-studied people have been
using creatine for decades that was my whole thing with the peptide stuff why am I going to put a
needle in myself when there's been healthy people throughout history that I've never done that
all of those peptides that you can inject yourself with your body can make inherently so if you're
getting all the right things that your body needs you can make all those peptides yourself we're
often doing things to overcome like modern society because our modern society causes chaos in our
body because we set it up not to help our health we set it up for convenience right and the more
convenience we have then the more heroics we have to go do to put these foreign things into our
body but if we went back to nature sunlight simple things like creatine the right type of water
eating right like not overeating getting enough sleep you can make all of those things and then
you don't need to inject yourself with anything everyone wants a quick fix right I mean everyone
wants a silver bullet and that's that's what I saw so I I've been in the biohacking space since 2009
and I trained with Dave Asri back in 2015 in the first class of bulletproof coaches and so I've
been studying this stuff for a long time and in that community there's all these silver bullets and
people like keep chasing after the next supplement the next drug the next tech and if any of them
did what they claim you wouldn't have to chase the next one but all of them I truly think can be
more beneficial if you first do the free natural things that your body needs and then if you still
need more those things are way more powerful agreed yeah there's always some magic supplement right
shellage it or tongue gotta leave or something for sure I mean like you go to the Himalayas right and
you scrape some mold off of a rock and you make the shellage it in a super sticky entire but like
did our ancestors have to like find an imported mold off of a Himalayan rock to be healthy they
didn't so like why do we need that like I can tell like great full Vic minerals are probably
super beneficial but if you just ate like natural fruit that already took hard minerals from
the ground inorganic minerals and made them bioavailable could you just eat like a pair from your
backyard right maybe that's healthier than shellage it from Nepal yeah yeah I'm sure the biohack
spaces change a lot since you first got into it and own on huge I mean there were almost no
people that had heard of it back then no one had heard of like no one had heard biohacking ketogenic
diet was like super fringe and dangerous I mean my mom worked in the medical field and all the
doctors are like you can't eat ketogenic it's gonna kill you well and like 10 years later all
the doctors are eating ketogenic diet and saying it's like the best thing ever I remember like when
I was a kid like fasting was like scary you know what I mean I was like scared fast yeah I mean they
tell you like you have to eat right you have to eat three meals a day and don't ever be hungry
because that's gonna be really bad for you and you might die yeah and it feels like you're gonna
die if you have if you're used to eating meals all the time and then suddenly you don't and so
the benefits of like literally just not eating for a short period of time and to this day like we
went from people being afraid of fasting like all of us the way we grew up to now people are dry
fasting for like five to seven days then no water no food that's crazy it's insane like you wouldn't
have thought people could have gone they always say like you can only go three days without water yeah
these guys are dry fasting for seven days that's not like how how is that possible from what we
were told we were told you would be dead yeah and so I think we're learning way more about the human
body how resilient it is but also that we need to experience extremes whether it's we need to be cold
once in a while we need to allow ourselves to be hot once in a while because we can adapt to the
heat we need to allow ourselves to be flexible we need to eat once in a while and have great big
meals and we need to not eat once in a while like all of these things are necessary for us to be
flexible as humans and when we constantly do the same thing all the time the same number of calories
every day the same temperature every day all year round the lights are on all day the body doesn't
want that constant coddling it needs some fluctuation how do you dry faster before I mean when I
sleep so I have never tried dry fasting for even a whole day I've done water fasting for up to three
to four days but I have not personally attempted dry I've done the water one dry one scares me you
haven't done a dry fast no well I've done water for three days yeah and I felt really good after I
think after like day two I typically start feeling really good day one is sometimes the hardest so I
try to like start my fasts at dinner so most people are even intermittent fasting if you're only
intermittent fasting for 18 hours a day or less most people try to do it at breakfast and that might
be the wrong meal to skip even from a circadian rhythm standpoint and a weight standpoint and
like a hormone standpoint it's a better to eat breakfast so what I find is I'll eat breakfast and
lunch and then I'll skip dinner and start my fast at dinner whether it's intermittent faster
a multi day fast and then I feel like on my last day of fasting I get to eat dinner and so I don't
have to wait till breakfast the next hour it just makes psychologically it makes it seem easier yeah
that's very smart listen how can we haven't done a dry fast I'm a little scared of it and I'm also
I hit the sauna every day so I feel like it'd be even tougher because of that yeah you may not
want to be sunny there was actually like rest in peace I don't know if you saw there's a 24-year-old
died last week in a sauna I did not see yeah it was really sad really in Miami did they say why no
but he was like a pretty known influencer so wow that like fuck me up honestly I didn't even
think that was a possibility in a sauna yeah I mean you gotta if you're gonna I don't encourage
people to dry fast I know lots of people that have dry fasted and they seem super successful with it
I had never even heard of it till three or four years ago I think you need to be really careful
if you're gonna dry fast because I mean it's literally no hydration even yeah like I'm playing
basketball I'm like filming all day under bright lights I know you don't want to be meditating all day
and just staying out there I am gonna do a darkness or trade have you seen those I've heard of
you're in a cave for a couple days yeah yeah I'm gonna do that next year did you learn that from
Astrid day of Asprey I don't know I came up on my Instagram I don't know who's posted was but
did Dave do it he did a set where he sat in a cave for a number of days okay this was before he
did the bullet proof anything when he was trying to figure out all his own stuff he was in a cave
where I think he says like five days wow just trying to figure all his stuff out and see what benefit
it was what what do you think is gonna be the benefit of a darkness I want to reset my dopamine
system but now with what you're saying with the whole light stuff could be additional benefits you
know you get a dopamine from being in the sunlight and so you definitely do and so wearing sunglasses
can can dim your dopamine response so then you crave more dopamine from your phone from all your
social media right like you want those dopamine hits which the phone they're these patents anybody
can look these up and so anytime there's a public patent I get a little questionable on whether
they're real but these patents are public under the name Hendra kiss loose and they talk about how
do you screens for mind control like that's literally the name of the patent is like mind control
through screen use and they're done I think in the late 90s to early 2000s so whether
Hendra kiss loose is a made up name or not they talk about how to manipulate your neurotransmitters
like dopamine through screen use and so all these people with screens in front of us all the time
we've got just an ultra dopamine system and if we're wearing sunglasses outside we crave more
dopamine so when we don't wear sunglasses we get natural sunlight we do get more dopamine hits
by being addicted essentially to the sunlight so like something like a darkness retreat resetting
dopamine I mean anytime you're off a device for multiple days yeah that's a huge huge dopamine
yeah not only that I just had the founder of Prenuevo on are you familiar with that company I'm not
they do the full body MRIs oh yeah but anyways he was saying there's a rapid aging of the spine
going on right now and he thinks it's linked to the phone because we're just like hunched over on
our phones all the so it's based on body posture yeah and um he's saying with the young people
specifically the spines are aging 10 to 20 years I'd wonder about the neck too because what I
I mean I've got kids my youngest is now 14 so they're getting a little older but what I notice with
these kids is like not only are they're shoulder like you watch them walk and their shoulders are
really hunched yeah and then I see these older people that have like a hunchback and I'm always like
standing up straight here but what I see is their heads are down even if they keep their posture
great their head your head is so heavy and it puts so much pressure on your on your neck I'm curious
what he would say about like just how much neck damage we're seeing I'm sure there's a lot I have
arthritis in my neck in my back I'm only 28 wow you know it's pretty scary and you were you on
devices a lot I'm on my phone eight hours a day I'm a PC gamer so I'm like gaming I'm also
slouching when I sit so I think it was just a accumulation of everything yeah I mean the
postures were in all days start to fix like your body will conform because we're I mean we're
so flexible like the body is yeah right but it'll start to conform to the positions you put it
in all day so I mean even people that sit all day not great so then they say well sitting is the
new smoking but then you'll stand but standing in one spot all day is also you can't win so it's
like you got to do like slow movement all day but it's hard treadmill desk you'd I have like under
my desk I have a pedal pedal so it's like I just pedal all day and people I'm like moving back
and forth I might have to get that you know it's it's pretty good because you can pretty do pretty
much do it with people not noticing even right here yeah um your body might sway a little bit and
people are always ask me like are you walking no I'm spettling yeah get used to it gotta get the
steps in man oh my gosh I mean we sit so much yeah anything you can do to move your body more
because like the blood flow the lymph flow so we're not moving our lymph we're not getting that
blood to flow and so the lymph stagnates and we wonder why we're getting more sick and then we
wonder why we have more modern diseases like EMF they're on type of light we're not moving we
poison the food supply like all these things are against us it's rough right now what do you think
is doing the most damage you think it's light so that's a really good question I think it's a
combination I I have personally with everything that I've studied and the benefit that I found right so
I had massive insomnia for 16 years well and I had anxiety for like 25 years since the end of high
school and I limited my career I worked in the pharmaceutical industry for 10 years as a research
scientist so I was in the lab mixing up pharmaceutical chemicals and I had so much insomnia which
led to more anxiety that I just couldn't even look for another job like I couldn't think about
talking one on one to somebody or giving a big presentation or interviewing so I just sat in the
pharmaceutical lab pouring these like fiber pack drums 55 gallon drums with skull and crossbones
that say cancer into a children's medicine product holy crap I'm like what am I doing with my life
I can't keep doing this so what I found for me personally is like when I started addressing my light
environment things got massively better for me my insomnia cleared up I was able to use the energy
that I had to do the inner work to to help alleviate and cure my anxiety well I just didn't have
capacity to do that so for me the most powerful tool was light that doesn't mean that it is for
everybody but we're all biologically the same like in our biology we are all sensitive to the same
type of light and we've just messed up our light environment so I think that if for people first
address their light environment then they can affect other things that they want to fix like if
you want to lose weight change your light environment so I and I have like this analogy of a hammer
right and Tylenol is really big in the news right now so I'll use a Tylenol analogy if somebody's
hitting you in the hand with a hammer and you're taking Tylenol to get rid of the pain like
maybe you should think about the environment of the hammer and removing the hammer and then you
don't need the Tylenol so for most of us if the light environment is causing a lot of stress on
our body and causing reduction in melatonin and our own national Institute of Health so that's
like our U.S. government NIH has had the studies for decades that show artificial light exposure
at night is associated with diabetes, heart disease, cancer and obesity they've known this for decades
then maybe if you fix the light environment you don't have to take the sleeping pill a hundred
million people a year no a hundred million people a day take sleeping pills. That's a third of
Americans that's insane. Third of us need a pill to go to sleep every night maybe fix the light
environment so you don't need the pill and then when you start seeing what else is a problem for
you like do you want to lose weight then when you do the work to fix those things it sticks
because we all know someone who lost weight and then gained it all back we all know someone who's
had cancer and we all know someone who has insomnia so fixing that light environment then allows
I think that's just the big lever that allows you to do other things in your life way easier.
You got me yeah I got to change my light bulbs you got me convinced man we should be seeing
firelight at night and there are light bulbs that can mimic more of a firelight. Oh yeah for sure
like you just want blue light free light bulbs so they have amber they have red they have infrared
incandescent still not the greatest the studies show they still reduce about 40% of your
nighttime melatonin even using an incandescent or a halogen so they do make some LEDs that are
blue light free that kind of more mimic fire light so you can just get those they do some on amazon
we sell them on our store but you can get them almost anywhere now and that I do think if people
literally just swapped out their light bulbs for healthier light bulbs like that could be a massive
change for almost everybody in our country yeah it's crazy house one little tweak like that can have
such profound impacts right well from those mouse studies right light as a drug so like if light as
a drug and you're taking drugs all day long like stop taking the drug and maybe you'll find a benefit
that you never even knew that you needed hmm where can people keep up with you get your book do
you have a podcast too we have a podcast that will be recording season three of starting this winter
so that podcast is called the Primal Hacker podcast it's on Spotify Apple everywhere you can find it
including YouTube at Primal Hacker and then our current business is focused on circadian luxury
wellness for women so a lot of the biohacker space is focused on men yeah it's like it's all like
bros that's so true every time I go to a biohacking event it's like 90% guys it is and you know
interestingly Dave Asprey's audience has started to flip to now more women but most of the biohacking
space is focused all on men they talk to men only there's not a lot of products that are focused
on helping women so our company is called Dreamwalkers with a z so it's dreamwalkers.ai and you can
find us also at Dreamwalkers ai on youtube where we talk all about women's health from a circadian
wellness standpoint um check them out guys we'll link below thanks for coming on awesome
thank you Sean get some light bulbs guys peace all right thanks everybody i hope you guys
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