Thaddeus Owen: Modern Humans Live Under Alien Light | DSH #1742

So a lot of the benefit is we're missing these frequencies so we're getting this hammer of

blue light hitting us all day long and that causes free radical in the body and free radicals

are fine like there's signal there's blue light in the sky but then there's red and infrared

to mitigate that and inside we never get that mitigation so getting under a red light panel

or a red light sauna or infrared sauna you're mitigating like all that blue light toxicity

that we're exposed to all day long.

Okay guys got fattiest here in Las Vegas there's a lot of light going around so hopefully

you'll be alright man. We'll make it through. Yeah I know you talk about light I saw you on

Alex Clark's show and you were talking about the different types of light I thought it was

a really interesting. Yeah so there's so many types of light and we only know a small percentage

right so like the visible light that we can see is like 1 to 2% of the whole spectrum of light

then our body is tuned to naturally. So we only know 1 to 2% of light. That's the only

amount of visible light that comes from the sun and even the visible light red, yellow, green,

blue all of those colors have an effect on our biology and all of the colors we can't see

have an effect on our biology so ultraviolet can't see it infrared but we know they have an impact

right because ultraviolet can cause us to get a tan or a sunburn totally invisible and there's

spectrums way beyond those that we probably don't even know about because we can't measure them yet.

I didn't realize how quite powerful light was until I got a red light sauna.

So red light is one of the like we're here under these crazy studio lights right and so I like to

say that we're a light poisoned culture. We're actually I as far as I know I invented this term

called weapons of mass illumination because all these lights that we are under all the time like you

can't technically opt out of these lights other than like putting on these crazy blue light black

and glasses right but what we're missing under these lights once we switched everything to red

and infrared I'm sorry once we switched everything to LED lights we lost red and infrared from our

spectrum indoors and we don't have any ultraviolet indoors so like why do red light sauna's and why

do red and infrared light panels have such a benefit to where like everybody in the NBA is using

them every trainer in the NFL wants their players using red light panels as well because we're

missing those frequencies they have a huge impact on our body and what they do is they mitigate

all this blue light that we're under all day wow and so a lot of the benefit is we're missing these

frequencies so we're getting this like hammer of blue light hitting us all day long and that

causes free radical in the body and free radicals are fine like there's signal there's blue light

in the sky but then there's red and infrared to mitigate that and inside we never we never get

in that mitigation so getting under a red light panel or a red light sauna or infrared sauna

you're mitigating like all that blue light toxicity that we're exposed to all day long that makes

so much sense why I feel it noticeably because I'm under these lights six hours a day you know two

three days a week and then when I get home and hit the red light sauna feel incredible that I mean

that's these lights are pretty powerful blue light spectrum so if you had a spectrometer and you

measure like this huge like a blue light causing like some people now are using they call it sunscreen

but it's actually a blue light screen so they make like a cosmetic or a sunscreen product

just for blue light because what they're showing is the blue light alone can cause something called

melasma which is like a color change in the skin a pigmentation of the skin cause not from sun

damage but from so much blue light that we're around well so like the the best thing you could do

like an environment like this is add infrared because it's invisible so like infrared is totally

missing from these lights but it's invisible so it's not going to mess with your studio lighting at

all and it's going to be part of the mitigation of all this blue light that's crazy so if you're

under the the wrong lights all day it could really be damaging to the body I mean you hear people

like Dr. Tom Cowan and they're and they're like all these people are getting cancer and they're

getting sick and most people are like how can we fix it with pills but the first question that you

ask if you had an aquarium and the fish get sick is like who put poison in the water well if we're

light poison from all this blue light like yes it's causing a huge problem in our society from

this one wavelength of light that we get without anything else backing it up so outdoors in nature

our biology is tuned to light so all the colors of light are read through different aspects of

our biology so like blue light and even ultraviolet light are read through our eye

and outdoors our body can read how much blue light there is and then when it sees the blue light

it destroys melatonin in the body and melatonin is what helps us sleep and get the benefits of sleep

so at night when we're sleeping this melatonin is a conductor of 10 additional hormones in the body

and it's the master antioxidant so if you think about like we're exposed to fluoride and we're

exposed to EMF and we're exposed to all sorts of poisons from glyphosate like what's cleaning

those up it's antioxidants like melatonin which is the most potent antioxidant known to man and

we're destroying it under all these blue lights wow i didn't know melatonin was an antioxidant it is

it is an anti-cancer it cleans up damaged cells so it allows us to repair and rejuvenate when we

sleep and it is literally the most potent antioxidant that we know about that's crazy wow

too we're also on our phone eight hours a day on average so that's probably not helping the phone

between as you're well aware the electromagnetic frequency from the microwave radiation but also

the phones have a lot of flicker from the LED diodes so what what people have realized is we have

swapped out traditional lighting which would have been fire light and then halogen and incandescent

somewhat but not exactly mimic a little bit more like fire light these LEDs are a completely alien

spectrum so i i call it like ALS which i know is probably like an acronym for a disease but

alien light spectrum so all day long we're under this alien light spectrum where we get these

different spikes of light that the body is not used to seeing and being under all day long and

because our body is literally tuned to the sun so we know about circadian rhythms i know you've

heard of like how important circadian rhythm is and it's really just like a 24 hour cycle that

the body goes through it's built into our biology and it sets what we're hungry for the foods we crave

whether we gain weight and whether we get good sleep or not and that is set by light and dark

specifically by blue light and darkness so when we see blue light like from the phone

which is an LED device so are all your devices at home whether it's your television your tablets

the overhead lights all those are LED lights they all have a ridiculously high amount of blue light

and that is changing your circadian rhythm every single time you see it um darkness is the only

thing that starts the repair so when we see morning sunlight we start our circadian rhythm for the

day and we set our melatonin clock to give us that master antioxidant at night and when we see

darkness we start the repair function of melatonin but because our culture like the weapons of mass

illumination we never turn out the lights it is always light whether you've got LED chargers

whether you know it's past sunset and you want to have the television on or you want to cook dinner

at you know nine o'clock at night we can all do that nowadays and that's stopping that darkness

cycle from completing our circadian rhythm to the point where we do the repair rejuvenation

choose light poisoning it's i'm going to start using that term it's legit like especially these

phones right because we we not only keep them on us 24 seven but we sleep with them too yeah

and so like first thing you do in the morning or even if it's two in the morning and you can't

sleep you turn that phone on and I mean like even the new iPhone it's just it is blasting you

with so much blue light and then people think like oh I can dim the brightness you're not changing

the spectrum on your phone it's still a ton of blue light even though you dim it and the iPhones

used pulse wave modulation it's just basically means like when you dim your iPhone it flickers more

which causes stress in the brain which then makes it so you can't sleep as well anyway wow that's

crazy there's get this thing out of your bedroom guys you know what even if you keep your phone

in your bedroom you can do that but don't look at your phone as the first thing you do so like

put it on airplane mode and then it can still be your alarm clock it will still work people kind

of freak out they're like I put my phone in airplane mode it can't work it as an alarm it totally

works as an alarm in airplane mode it doesn't do anything it's like you have Wi-Fi right you don't

need it no oh you don't even need that oh well you don't need you don't need bluetooth you don't

need Wi-Fi and you do not need your cell service on whatsoever you're alarm on your phone will

still work you won't get a phone call but you're you're alarm to wake you up still works fine and the

other thing I always tell people is either keep a pair of blue light blocking glasses like next to your

bed when you actually look at your phone because as soon as you blast yourself with blue light at two

in the morning that's gonna wake you up and it can stop your melatonin production for up to four

more hours hold it as much as you're gonna sleep that's not so either put on a pair of blue light

blocking glasses and look at your phone or just get like a battery powered red LED clock that

you can put in your your bedroom because the red is not gonna stop your melatonin it's battery

powered so there's no EMF from the electricity no magnetic field from the electric field from

the electricity going into it and then you don't have to turn your phone on to see what time it is

I just went to the eye doctor they actually made contacts that block blue light now too

really yeah what about ultraviolet light in the context I'll find out I'm not sure so the one

thing that I always encourage people to check with their contacts is find out if they block ultraviolet

light because most contacts by default and as far as I'm aware there's two brands that I don't know

the name of of contacts that don't block ultraviolet light so when we go outside we need ultraviolet

light because our body reads the time of the day the time of the year and how much UV is in the sun

to know how much melanin to make on our skin to protect ourselves so when you block all the UV

light like with glasses contacts or sunglasses your brain doesn't read how much UV there is and we

can get sunburned faster but also reading the time of the year helps us determine like when should

we be gaining or losing weight when should we be fertile so we have a lot of people with infertility

issues a lot of that is from covering themselves up from the sunlight and only operating in an

alien spectrum where we spend 95% of our time indoors and 5% of our time oddly enough is driving time

and that's counted as outdoor time which I would argue most people are not keeping their windows

and sunroof on them yeah I would consider that outdoor time at all no so if you can look at your

contacts and find a contact maker that can put the blue light coating in but if they can

not put a UV coating in not put it on yep okay it's really important to get ultraviolet light

and dawn so like sunrise sunlight in our eyes because it sets a melatonin clock for 16 hours later

so if you want to produce melatonin at night when you go to sleep the first thing you want to do when

you get up is not grab your phone and look at it but to get outside and see the natural sunlight

within 30 minutes of dawn would be ideal but if you get up at noon because you slept really late

then getting outside first thing sets that melatonin clock for 16 hours later which means it could be

four in the morning before your body starts to release melatonin based on when you get outside

and if you've got contacts glasses or sunglasses on you don't read the signals the same way

and the clocks get totally confused yeah I don't think all of it were sunglasses again

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sunglasses were invented in the 1920s wow they were invented for movie stars under studio lighting

these lights so the lighting for movie stars was so bright and there were no such thing as sunglasses

so their eyes were used to native sunlight and when they came indoors they were used to dim light or

fire light and these studio lights were so bright they started wearing sunglasses so this really

smart guy his name is Sam Foster he's like if everyone wants to look like a movie star I'm going

to make sunglasses for everybody so sunglasses were never invented for health or even for outdoors

they were inventing for movie stars indoors and then for all the normal people to look like movie

stars wow I never knew that they were totally so it's purely an aesthetic thing for sure

now that's not to say like if you're skiing and you're on snow all day long or you're on the water

all day that you might need to protect your eyes from some UV I wouldn't wear them all the time

on the water but that might be the only time I would say like you might want to wear sunglasses

to protect your eyes but otherwise like we talk about you know bill gates and all these and Harvard

University have these plans to dim the sun and like oh my gosh that might be really bad if we dim

the sun like what happens to the plants and the animals and the humans if we dim sunlight it can't

be good well that's what we're doing when we put sunglasses on is we're dimming the sunlight

that's coming into our own body and when we see so much dim light what happens is we start craving

carbohydrates and then we put on more weight so there's all these unintended consequences that's

happening when people put on sunglasses when in fact their eyes are sensitive to the sun

because they're indoors for 95% of the time and when they're outdoors they're wearing sunglasses

why is it whenever I see bill gates name lately it's something with a weird health thing

I couldn't even know he was doing that but it's just like why now he's trying to make a vegan meat

or whatever to yeah lab-grown meats water vegan butter I see all these legal notices come through

my desk and I do a lot with corporate law and I'm my main job and I see a ton of stuff on lab-grown

meat where it's being approved and not approved and the names they're allowed to use and in some

cases they can call it like cultured chicken so you think like that sounds really good but cultured

chicken means it was grown in a lab and so trying to figure out like what do we name some of these

alternative meats is really important because somebody that doesn't want to eat lab-grown meat might

just go to the store and grab something that has the word chicken on it and it's not even

real meat how are they making those meats though they're grown from cell lines so they culture

cell lines from some sort of either animal or stem cell and then they have a method to grow

from those original cell lines other compounds so like if you've ever heard of people in the vaccine

space right that they use these immortal genes they're like these cancer genes from one lady

that they grow something that goes into the vaccine from those cancer genes from one lady originally

oh well they don't use the human genes or the human cells themselves but they use those cells to

produce a protein that goes into a vaccine we can do the same thing not we someone else can do the

same thing with other animal cells where they can culture those cells to grow specific proteins

that you can then blow up into actual meats that are actually probably made from something like

bacteria's and yeasts but they use the right proteins to taste like a chicken or a

chicken. Have you tried it? I have not nor will I put it in the future. Sounds sketchy to me.

You know like with all that new stuff it's like do you want to be the first person to experiment

with it? No, I'm not getting neural link on myself. Oh my gosh right. Yeah no long-term studies

yeah no long-term studies maybe in 30 years. Yeah I mean when people have gone through enough time

that you're like okay are these things safe what are the long-term consequences? I mean it's just

like LED lights yeah like are the LED lights all around us a science experiment essentially

because we've never lived under such an alien spectrum. We don't know the long-term effects yeah

we don't know for all of human history what have we seen at night? Firelight and moonlight

or darkness nothing else there's nothing that we've seen until the incandescent when we electrified

the light bulb back in the early 1900s and then by 1950 we had electrified and lit up almost

everybody's home in the US. So only since about 1950 1960 have we even had indoor lighting

from electric light bulbs and now we changed everyone of those electric light bulbs when we

banned incandescence to LEDs with these completely alien spectrums that were never intended to heal us

they are not intended to be healthy they are intended to allow us to work longer into the night

so factory owners could run three shifts. So they were intended for us to see so we could do a task

never intended to help us with health and in fact they are destroying our health the more that

were under them. So you can't buy into incandescent anymore? So they were banned for a short time

based on the US federal government and now there is no longer a ban on incandescent but they are

almost impossible to buy so we were at a conference in Salt Lake City last week and I had a gentleman

come up to our booth and he said where do I get incandescence because he claimed that he would go

to every garage sale ever and just buy every incandescent he could see because there's nowhere to buy

them now. So they might not even be illegal anymore but you cannot find them. So the manufacturers

stop making them? They stop making them as far as I can tell they don't make them in the US so if

you can find a source overseas where you can find incandescence they're still available but it is

not easy to get your hands on them. I'm going to go on Alibaba when I get home. Exactly. So they'll

make them for you for sure you have to be careful when you go on Alibaba or even Ali Express right?

A lot of scams. There's a lot of scams and they'll say Edison incandescent bulbs but they'll be

LED so you really have to look to make sure you're actually getting a real incandescent and another

story that someone told me is they went into these catacombs under New York City where they keep

like really wealthy people's remains for hundreds of years. They've kept them in these underground

crypts and they're using an Edison bulb from 100 years ago to light these crypts and it has never

gone out. It's the same bulb. So we think like Edison bulbs don't last very long but that's because

the ones we typically buy at the store are made to not last very long and same with the LEDs but even

an Edison bulb can be low energy like an LED and last for a hundred years. Holy crap. So according

to what's under New York City in the catacombs it is possible to run an Edison bulb almost forever.

That is nuts. It's amazing because there's all this technology out there that we could be using

that's not as altered a spectrum. It almost makes you wonder like why are we using these LEDs

that are such an alien spectrum and why did we put them? I mean everywhere everywhere.

It only lasts like three months over then you've got to replace them. Exactly and it's over the whole

world like it doesn't matter if you're in Europe, if you're in the airplane, if you're at home,

if you're at the gym it's all the same bulbs now. And another thing that people don't know about

those bulbs that I think is fascinating. I don't know if other people do but they emit microwave

radiation. So it's like since when does LED bulb emit microwave radiation but if you look at every

LED bulb package it will say FCC certified. That's the Federal Communications Commission. Why do they

have to be certified to meet FCC standards because they give off microwave radiation from an LED bulb

and it could interfere with pacemakers that are installed in the body. Holy crap. Most people have no

idea that when they put these LEDs everywhere in their home if they're sensitive to EMF that they're

creating more EMF from the bulbs themselves. That is nuts. I literally got rid of my microwave a

couple years ago. I didn't even think about light bulbs emitting microwaves. Yeah most people have

never heard of that but you can look it up and each bulb has to be certified to not emit a certain

microwave frequency that interferes with things like face makers. So it's totally something that people

are unaware of and I think like you put these LED bulbs right by your head and by your nightlight

right and they're just emitting sometimes this microwave energy that you need to at least be aware

of that. The other thing that I've been told with the LED bulbs is it's really easy to embed like

cameras but also use the microwave frequency for communications. So if you know the frequencies

that are being emitted by LEDs you can utilize those like the Wi-Fi router in your house to visualize

what's inside of your home. So if you've ever seen like renderings of somebody's Wi-Fi router

showing them what the inside of a home looks like just from the Wi-Fi router itself that is

something that's possible. So I always at least tell people if you have a Wi-Fi router and you use

Wi-Fi turn it off when you go to sleep. That is nuts. You can know what someone's house looks like

just from the light. That is from the because the Wi-Fi is a microwave radiation signal which most

people don't know this it's the same signal as your microwave. So if you open up your microwave oven

somewhere inside your door or maybe on the back of your microwave but often it's inside the door

there's a sticker and it tells you the frequency your microwave runs at. It's 2.45 gigahertz and that's

just the pulse wave frequency that those microwaves come out at. If you look on the back of your Wi-Fi

router it also states 2.45 gigahertz. It's the exact same as your microwave oven and so it's the

same frequency it's just lower intensity so it's kind of like when you dehydrate something in your

microwave if you cook a steak in your microwave and it gets dehydrated. This is a famous quote from

like Dr. Jack Cruz. You're basically dehydrating yourselves all day long with a Wi-Fi router and

that that microwave radiation is a light. So as we talked about full spectrum sunlight there are

microwaves that come off the sun. It's just that those microwaves in the frequency that our cell

phones and our Wi-Fi run at they never reach the earth. So in your home when you put in that Wi-Fi it

is a light and that light if somebody taps it appropriately can be utilized to visualize what's

in the rooms of your home which is insane to me. Like people can spy on you not only from from the

camera on your phone or the Alexa that you installed but also just your Wi-Fi. Yeah I was

gonna say that's definitely being weaponized at that. I can only imagine it will come out later

because it's just like the cell phones. When now it seems like everybody knows you should cover

your cell phone camera because anybody can utilize that camera without you knowing that it's on

and then they can download that data into an app that's active once you reconnect to the internet.

And now I think what will come out later is a lot of these Wi-Fi routers are being used to map

people's homes. For whatever reason maybe it's a good reason maybe it's not but if you don't want

that happening maybe like shut your Wi-Fi router off when you sleep and you'll probably sleep better

anyway. Yeah you probably will between the Wi-Fi and the 5G towers next to your house and

the light pollution and hopefully you're not living next to a 5G tower. The good thing about 5G is

it doesn't penetrate most homes. It can move through glass but if it's true 5G which I would say

most of the 5G towers that are installed today are not using true 5G. They're using 4G LTE

advanced which can move through your home and it goes through walls but 5G is such an incredibly

strong directed beam of energy that the way that it runs it doesn't pass through solid walls.

It'll pass through windows and if you have a device like your cell phone that you're calling for

5G to come to your cell phone through a window it'll go to your cell phone and then it can go

throughout your house to other devices. Wow but it won't just pass through like a normal wall.

Oh so it's not as strong as 4G? It is more powerful in terms of the energy that that passes through

you when it goes through your body but because of the wavelength it's not able to penetrate

walls as easily as 4G. So 4G is a lower energy EMF, a lower energy microwave but it can pass

through walls and it's always on. 5G is not always on so true 5G is only turned on when your phone

calls for it to be pulsed towards your phone. 4G LTE is always on and it passes through walls

so I would say like even though 4G is not as intense as 5G it might be more dangerous because

A it's always on and B it's passing through all the walls of your house all the time. That is

interesting. When did you come out with the book was it recently? So this book is a kind of like a

rewrite of what I made earlier. So earlier I wrote the first version of the book so maybe three

years ago and so this version just came out at the beginning of this year. Got it. And it's basically

the ketogenic hibernation diet so the whole book is about how we have lost winter in our society.

So not only do we not turn out the lights right we keep the lights on 24-7 especially

you're in Vegas but in your home when the sunsets it could be 430 in Wisconsin where I live when

the sunsets we're not going to bed at 430. So in the winter when the sunsets early and we turn

all the lights on we start having a circadian mismatch which causes problems in the body.

In addition we live at room temperature all year round all year round it's like 72 degrees

so your car your home the gym work wherever you are is 72 and if we're 95% of our time now indoors

we never experience a temperature fluctuation in our body which means our body constantly thinks

that it's summer and by turning lights on after sunset we think it's the long days towards

the end of summer and we should be storing fat and craving sugar for a coming winter

but winter never comes so we never get a break from eating carbohydrates from craving sugars

and from having the lights on and that can cause a lot of chaos in the body so my whole book is

written about people that live in a northern climate how can we actually allow winter to come

in to our bodies by getting cold once in a while by eating a ketogenic diet not all the time but

just for a short time in the winter when a carbohydrates wouldn't normally be available

and by sleeping more in the winter than you would in the summer and the theory is that you can

reverse a lot of things that you've done to yourself during the summertime including eating a ton

of sugars that can lead to prediabetes if you're getting cold and you're not eating a bunch of

carbohydrates and you're sleeping more maybe you can reverse all those things in the winter.

You're supposed to sleep more in the winter though. I honestly think that if you look at all of our

history so in 1910 men and women slept 500 hours more a year than they do today wow and that's

because we have lights on all the time and so those lights cause our cortisol to be higher. Anytime

we turn on light with this huge spike of blue we're increasing cortisol and destroying melatonin

so we get more stressed so we're not as tired so we stay up longer and then we feel like we're

a night owl and we need to do more work but in fact like every study shows there's no such thing as

as a night owl for a man or a woman for an owl or rat or a mouse they do have nocturnal biology

we don't so anytime we act as if we're night owls and stay up long into the night there's a cost

to our biology and in winter it gets darker earlier especially if you live somewhat north of the

equator and likely our ancestors as we've seen with the study on how many hours they slept in 1910

we would sleep more in the winter because it's just darker for longer and if we sleep more in winter

we're producing more melatonin and more melatonin is the master antioxidant and I call it the master

anti cancer hormone as well because it's cleaning up damaged cells while we sleep so should we sleep

more in winter absolutely doesn't you know does it make it easy in a modern society to sleep more in

winter probably not but you can do it I mean we sleep on average six to seven hours in the summer

and at least my wife and I do and in the winter we sleep between eight to twelve hours a night

totally crap there's a way to do it's twelve hours how impressive it's so there's a book I'm

called Lights Out by T.S. Wiley and she studied this impact of artificial light at night on men and

women and how much you crave sugar and carbs and and her contention is that you should sleep

as much as possible in the winter without getting fired or divorced you can sleep as much as you

can without doing those two things that's what you're supposed to do in the winter twelve is

impressive you got to be taken melatonin right no so here's the thing so melatonin is a billion

dollar industry right and the reason it's a billion dollar industry is because we've totally messed

up our light environment so you can produce your own melatonin if you're not exposed to so much

blue light after dark and after dark in the winter is a much longer period of time which means you

can produce way more melatonin in the winter naturally so you're if you do this naturally by

blocking the blue light at night or at least having darkness before you go to sleep for at least

two hours before you go to bed but ideally for as long as it's dark out you will produce way

more melatonin which I'll let you sleep a lot longer well I need to get those blackout curtains

for my better blackout curtains are key having a primal sleeping environment so cold dark and

no EMF like those are the main criteria if you want to get better sleep and then making sure

that you're not exposed to too much light before sleep because that's going to increase your stress

and destroy the melatonin which repairs you when you sleep yeah and you're not supposed to eat

right before right there's been quite a large number of studies that show that people that eat

after dark not even right before bed but people that eat after dark gain significantly more weight

than people that only eat during the the light hours of the day so a you don't want to be shoving

a bunch of energy and calories into your cells when they're trying to sleep they're trying to

use the energy to rejuvenate and repair while you sleep and if you just ate a big meal now they

have to totally change what it is that they're doing and you lose all that time to rejuvenate

and repair there's actually a study recently I think it was in 2014 that had two different sets

of mice and one set of mice had a certain amount of food so they tracked the calories they ate

in a certain amount of exercise they tracked how many calories they expended the second set of mice

same thing they fed them the exact number of calories this is the first set and had them exercise

the exact same amount so same calories and same calories out one set of mice was exposed to 24

hours a day of light and one set of mice had 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness the

mice that had 24 hours a day of light were obese and the mice that had 12 hours a day of darkness

were normal weight the only difference was the light not how much they ate and not how much

they exercise holy crap so light is a drug and the amount of light that you get in your body

of the wrong type can absolutely dictate how much weight you gain what food you crave and what

weight your body wants to keep it's starting to add up for me I used to always think it was the

food system but when you see photos of people on the beach in the 60s 70s no one was overweight

there's a lot of factors right so like light back then they didn't have any LEDs right they

got more sleep than we did so they had more melatonin around they were mostly I don't know how they

ate their meals but most people had family dinners and did things together during the light hours

and did sleep a lot more when it was dark the food system was better back then because like

I mean in 1950 you didn't have to have organic because everything was organic they just didn't

use the same pesticides and herbicides that they do now they because they didn't exist so there

are a lot of things that are against us now from our air our water our food supply and our lighting

I mean you got to really take care of yourself a little bit differently now than you had to in the

past absolutely I'm sure your work censored all over the place so one of the things that I find

odd is a place where I'm censored that I shouldn't be is in the community that research is food

and exercise like these food and exercise scientists and researchers they don't want to look at

light because if light can act as a drug then it invalidates all of their studies while on diet

and actually don't factor it in they don't factor it in which means if you're not factoring in

light and we know that it acts as a drug because the the Johns Hopkins study on those mice proved

that it acts as a drug and it can cause you to become obese from the light what light

environment are their test animals under when they're testing food and exercise so not only there

um we were recording a podcast back in late 2020 and Facebook totally just like shut off the sound

that was peak censorship to it's what it was yeah I had no idea it said it actually Facebook said

that we were playing music that was copyrighted but we were just having a conversation like this

no music turned on yeah so it's been interesting that was a rough year man you brought up vaccines

you brought up anything controversial in the health industry you were getting censored totally

and it's been hard for us to recover even to this day like are some of our stuff is still

shadow band to where they don't show it to as many people well and I think if you're telling people

about natural things like even on YouTube you're not allowed to talk about sunlight being able

to heal anything no way you can't say that on YouTube they will either bury or ban your video

and we've had banned videos on YouTube for things that were totally natural and they just I don't

I don't know why either they think that there's not enough data but there have been numerous studies

including like in Sweden the Carolinska Institute super famous Swedish Institute Oxford University

and I think it was Loma Lina at University in the US have all done studies that show that people

that are outside the most live the longest and that's sunlight healing people essentially but you

can't say that on YouTube yeah you could say nature's healing but once you mentioned sunlight

for some reason yeah and there's studies that prove it so I'm not quite certain why that

policy came about on YouTube but sunlight is legit and our body uses it because in 2017 the Nobel

Prize in Medicine was given to three scientists who they say discovered although it's been known

for decades that the circadian rhythm based on light has everything to do with our health

that was the Nobel Prize in Medicine it's not like information that's like conspiracy what's

there's your son what do you think of Brian Johnson's sunlight strategy I think I would not be

following Brian Johnson's sunlight strategy so that dude is afraid of the sun yeah and every

study that's been done shows that the more sun you have the less you die from all causes like all

causes so if those studies are showing that I'm not quite certain why he's so afraid of the sun

it seems like you'd want more sun and even if you're not getting direct sunlight just

being outdoors in the shade gives you an intense benefit from the sun even without being directly

in it so his strategy of covering up he uses chemicals to cover up I think you should always cover

up with clothes not chemicals if you're going to cover up right but I mean he's using umbrellas

he's doing all sorts of things to never get in the sun and I just think that's not a very well

out strategy yeah he uses sunscreen granted it is mineral base which is probably the one to use if

you're going to use it right but I'm not a fan of most sunscreens I mean you're again you're

covering up with chemicals not clothing you can cover up with clothing just fine and it blocks the

sun same with a hat if you want to do that versus chemicals and just like what we were putting

in our water like these PFAS chemicals per floral alcohol substances right we put PFAS in the water

and for 30 years they were fine like nobody cared you're all drinking it and now it's a toxin

and it's a known toxin and they had to remove it from all the water so same with sunscreen you're

putting these chemicals on your body that today they don't know if they're safe or not they think

they are but tomorrow they might find a chemical in there and say oh all that stuff you put on

your body forever it's not so safe so my first thing is yes if you're going to use something to

block the sun clothing first before chemicals and then the mineral based sunscreens make a huge

deal of sense versus chemical based sunscreens what do you think of the GLP one shot so a lot of

people are taking those now right so people are micro dosing them people are full on taking the GLP

one shot and essentially there's there's a couple things that I'm seeing one is like you're now a

laboratory experiment because there's no long-term studies on what happens when you stop taking it

and it seems like people that stop taking it have a lot of issues and so are you now on this drug

forever and what are the long-term consequences of being on this forever I just don't really think we

know what we do know is that people that use the GLP one shots they're losing weight but 35%

of the weight they lose is muscle mass and so people that are probably this may not be true for

everybody but people that are probably not moving their body and working out enough already are now

losing more muscle mass that's not a good combination for the future so to me I think there's a lot of

unknowns in the biohacking community people are micro dosing GLP one and they say it's like a

neuro benefit so a benefit to your brain yeah honestly like you could probably take creatine

or you could get out in the sun in the sunlight so between sunlight and creatine or just like

physical activity I and I honestly think creatine gives you all the same benefits that probably GLP

one does and it's way safer and way more steady and cheaper way cheaper you don't have to inject

yourself to explore some in your water or your coffee and it's it's well-studied people have been

using creatine for decades that was my whole thing with the peptide stuff why am I going to put a

needle in myself when there's been healthy people throughout history that I've never done that

all of those peptides that you can inject yourself with your body can make inherently so if you're

getting all the right things that your body needs you can make all those peptides yourself we're

often doing things to overcome like modern society because our modern society causes chaos in our

body because we set it up not to help our health we set it up for convenience right and the more

convenience we have then the more heroics we have to go do to put these foreign things into our

body but if we went back to nature sunlight simple things like creatine the right type of water

eating right like not overeating getting enough sleep you can make all of those things and then

you don't need to inject yourself with anything everyone wants a quick fix right I mean everyone

wants a silver bullet and that's that's what I saw so I I've been in the biohacking space since 2009

and I trained with Dave Asri back in 2015 in the first class of bulletproof coaches and so I've

been studying this stuff for a long time and in that community there's all these silver bullets and

people like keep chasing after the next supplement the next drug the next tech and if any of them

did what they claim you wouldn't have to chase the next one but all of them I truly think can be

more beneficial if you first do the free natural things that your body needs and then if you still

need more those things are way more powerful agreed yeah there's always some magic supplement right

shellage it or tongue gotta leave or something for sure I mean like you go to the Himalayas right and

you scrape some mold off of a rock and you make the shellage it in a super sticky entire but like

did our ancestors have to like find an imported mold off of a Himalayan rock to be healthy they

didn't so like why do we need that like I can tell like great full Vic minerals are probably

super beneficial but if you just ate like natural fruit that already took hard minerals from

the ground inorganic minerals and made them bioavailable could you just eat like a pair from your

backyard right maybe that's healthier than shellage it from Nepal yeah yeah I'm sure the biohack

spaces change a lot since you first got into it and own on huge I mean there were almost no

people that had heard of it back then no one had heard of like no one had heard biohacking ketogenic

diet was like super fringe and dangerous I mean my mom worked in the medical field and all the

doctors are like you can't eat ketogenic it's gonna kill you well and like 10 years later all

the doctors are eating ketogenic diet and saying it's like the best thing ever I remember like when

I was a kid like fasting was like scary you know what I mean I was like scared fast yeah I mean they

tell you like you have to eat right you have to eat three meals a day and don't ever be hungry

because that's gonna be really bad for you and you might die yeah and it feels like you're gonna

die if you have if you're used to eating meals all the time and then suddenly you don't and so

the benefits of like literally just not eating for a short period of time and to this day like we

went from people being afraid of fasting like all of us the way we grew up to now people are dry

fasting for like five to seven days then no water no food that's crazy it's insane like you wouldn't

have thought people could have gone they always say like you can only go three days without water yeah

these guys are dry fasting for seven days that's not like how how is that possible from what we

were told we were told you would be dead yeah and so I think we're learning way more about the human

body how resilient it is but also that we need to experience extremes whether it's we need to be cold

once in a while we need to allow ourselves to be hot once in a while because we can adapt to the

heat we need to allow ourselves to be flexible we need to eat once in a while and have great big

meals and we need to not eat once in a while like all of these things are necessary for us to be

flexible as humans and when we constantly do the same thing all the time the same number of calories

every day the same temperature every day all year round the lights are on all day the body doesn't

want that constant coddling it needs some fluctuation how do you dry faster before I mean when I

sleep so I have never tried dry fasting for even a whole day I've done water fasting for up to three

to four days but I have not personally attempted dry I've done the water one dry one scares me you

haven't done a dry fast no well I've done water for three days yeah and I felt really good after I

think after like day two I typically start feeling really good day one is sometimes the hardest so I

try to like start my fasts at dinner so most people are even intermittent fasting if you're only

intermittent fasting for 18 hours a day or less most people try to do it at breakfast and that might

be the wrong meal to skip even from a circadian rhythm standpoint and a weight standpoint and

like a hormone standpoint it's a better to eat breakfast so what I find is I'll eat breakfast and

lunch and then I'll skip dinner and start my fast at dinner whether it's intermittent faster

a multi day fast and then I feel like on my last day of fasting I get to eat dinner and so I don't

have to wait till breakfast the next hour it just makes psychologically it makes it seem easier yeah

that's very smart listen how can we haven't done a dry fast I'm a little scared of it and I'm also

I hit the sauna every day so I feel like it'd be even tougher because of that yeah you may not

want to be sunny there was actually like rest in peace I don't know if you saw there's a 24-year-old

died last week in a sauna I did not see yeah it was really sad really in Miami did they say why no

but he was like a pretty known influencer so wow that like fuck me up honestly I didn't even

think that was a possibility in a sauna yeah I mean you gotta if you're gonna I don't encourage

people to dry fast I know lots of people that have dry fasted and they seem super successful with it

I had never even heard of it till three or four years ago I think you need to be really careful

if you're gonna dry fast because I mean it's literally no hydration even yeah like I'm playing

basketball I'm like filming all day under bright lights I know you don't want to be meditating all day

and just staying out there I am gonna do a darkness or trade have you seen those I've heard of

you're in a cave for a couple days yeah yeah I'm gonna do that next year did you learn that from

Astrid day of Asprey I don't know I came up on my Instagram I don't know who's posted was but

did Dave do it he did a set where he sat in a cave for a number of days okay this was before he

did the bullet proof anything when he was trying to figure out all his own stuff he was in a cave

where I think he says like five days wow just trying to figure all his stuff out and see what benefit

it was what what do you think is gonna be the benefit of a darkness I want to reset my dopamine

system but now with what you're saying with the whole light stuff could be additional benefits you

know you get a dopamine from being in the sunlight and so you definitely do and so wearing sunglasses

can can dim your dopamine response so then you crave more dopamine from your phone from all your

social media right like you want those dopamine hits which the phone they're these patents anybody

can look these up and so anytime there's a public patent I get a little questionable on whether

they're real but these patents are public under the name Hendra kiss loose and they talk about how

do you screens for mind control like that's literally the name of the patent is like mind control

through screen use and they're done I think in the late 90s to early 2000s so whether

Hendra kiss loose is a made up name or not they talk about how to manipulate your neurotransmitters

like dopamine through screen use and so all these people with screens in front of us all the time

we've got just an ultra dopamine system and if we're wearing sunglasses outside we crave more

dopamine so when we don't wear sunglasses we get natural sunlight we do get more dopamine hits

by being addicted essentially to the sunlight so like something like a darkness retreat resetting

dopamine I mean anytime you're off a device for multiple days yeah that's a huge huge dopamine

yeah not only that I just had the founder of Prenuevo on are you familiar with that company I'm not

they do the full body MRIs oh yeah but anyways he was saying there's a rapid aging of the spine

going on right now and he thinks it's linked to the phone because we're just like hunched over on

our phones all the so it's based on body posture yeah and um he's saying with the young people

specifically the spines are aging 10 to 20 years I'd wonder about the neck too because what I

I mean I've got kids my youngest is now 14 so they're getting a little older but what I notice with

these kids is like not only are they're shoulder like you watch them walk and their shoulders are

really hunched yeah and then I see these older people that have like a hunchback and I'm always like

standing up straight here but what I see is their heads are down even if they keep their posture

great their head your head is so heavy and it puts so much pressure on your on your neck I'm curious

what he would say about like just how much neck damage we're seeing I'm sure there's a lot I have

arthritis in my neck in my back I'm only 28 wow you know it's pretty scary and you were you on

devices a lot I'm on my phone eight hours a day I'm a PC gamer so I'm like gaming I'm also

slouching when I sit so I think it was just a accumulation of everything yeah I mean the

postures were in all days start to fix like your body will conform because we're I mean we're

so flexible like the body is yeah right but it'll start to conform to the positions you put it

in all day so I mean even people that sit all day not great so then they say well sitting is the

new smoking but then you'll stand but standing in one spot all day is also you can't win so it's

like you got to do like slow movement all day but it's hard treadmill desk you'd I have like under

my desk I have a pedal pedal so it's like I just pedal all day and people I'm like moving back

and forth I might have to get that you know it's it's pretty good because you can pretty do pretty

much do it with people not noticing even right here yeah um your body might sway a little bit and

people are always ask me like are you walking no I'm spettling yeah get used to it gotta get the

steps in man oh my gosh I mean we sit so much yeah anything you can do to move your body more

because like the blood flow the lymph flow so we're not moving our lymph we're not getting that

blood to flow and so the lymph stagnates and we wonder why we're getting more sick and then we

wonder why we have more modern diseases like EMF they're on type of light we're not moving we

poison the food supply like all these things are against us it's rough right now what do you think

is doing the most damage you think it's light so that's a really good question I think it's a

combination I I have personally with everything that I've studied and the benefit that I found right so

I had massive insomnia for 16 years well and I had anxiety for like 25 years since the end of high

school and I limited my career I worked in the pharmaceutical industry for 10 years as a research

scientist so I was in the lab mixing up pharmaceutical chemicals and I had so much insomnia which

led to more anxiety that I just couldn't even look for another job like I couldn't think about

talking one on one to somebody or giving a big presentation or interviewing so I just sat in the

pharmaceutical lab pouring these like fiber pack drums 55 gallon drums with skull and crossbones

that say cancer into a children's medicine product holy crap I'm like what am I doing with my life

I can't keep doing this so what I found for me personally is like when I started addressing my light

environment things got massively better for me my insomnia cleared up I was able to use the energy

that I had to do the inner work to to help alleviate and cure my anxiety well I just didn't have

capacity to do that so for me the most powerful tool was light that doesn't mean that it is for

everybody but we're all biologically the same like in our biology we are all sensitive to the same

type of light and we've just messed up our light environment so I think that if for people first

address their light environment then they can affect other things that they want to fix like if

you want to lose weight change your light environment so I and I have like this analogy of a hammer

right and Tylenol is really big in the news right now so I'll use a Tylenol analogy if somebody's

hitting you in the hand with a hammer and you're taking Tylenol to get rid of the pain like

maybe you should think about the environment of the hammer and removing the hammer and then you

don't need the Tylenol so for most of us if the light environment is causing a lot of stress on

our body and causing reduction in melatonin and our own national Institute of Health so that's

like our U.S. government NIH has had the studies for decades that show artificial light exposure

at night is associated with diabetes, heart disease, cancer and obesity they've known this for decades

then maybe if you fix the light environment you don't have to take the sleeping pill a hundred

million people a year no a hundred million people a day take sleeping pills. That's a third of

Americans that's insane. Third of us need a pill to go to sleep every night maybe fix the light

environment so you don't need the pill and then when you start seeing what else is a problem for

you like do you want to lose weight then when you do the work to fix those things it sticks

because we all know someone who lost weight and then gained it all back we all know someone who's

had cancer and we all know someone who has insomnia so fixing that light environment then allows

I think that's just the big lever that allows you to do other things in your life way easier.

You got me yeah I got to change my light bulbs you got me convinced man we should be seeing

firelight at night and there are light bulbs that can mimic more of a firelight. Oh yeah for sure

like you just want blue light free light bulbs so they have amber they have red they have infrared

incandescent still not the greatest the studies show they still reduce about 40% of your

nighttime melatonin even using an incandescent or a halogen so they do make some LEDs that are

blue light free that kind of more mimic fire light so you can just get those they do some on amazon

we sell them on our store but you can get them almost anywhere now and that I do think if people

literally just swapped out their light bulbs for healthier light bulbs like that could be a massive

change for almost everybody in our country yeah it's crazy house one little tweak like that can have

such profound impacts right well from those mouse studies right light as a drug so like if light as

a drug and you're taking drugs all day long like stop taking the drug and maybe you'll find a benefit

that you never even knew that you needed hmm where can people keep up with you get your book do

you have a podcast too we have a podcast that will be recording season three of starting this winter

so that podcast is called the Primal Hacker podcast it's on Spotify Apple everywhere you can find it

including YouTube at Primal Hacker and then our current business is focused on circadian luxury

wellness for women so a lot of the biohacker space is focused on men yeah it's like it's all like

bros that's so true every time I go to a biohacking event it's like 90% guys it is and you know

interestingly Dave Asprey's audience has started to flip to now more women but most of the biohacking

space is focused all on men they talk to men only there's not a lot of products that are focused

on helping women so our company is called Dreamwalkers with a z so it's dreamwalkers.ai and you can

find us also at Dreamwalkers ai on youtube where we talk all about women's health from a circadian

wellness standpoint um check them out guys we'll link below thanks for coming on awesome

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