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And today's guest is Claire Lopez.

Claire is somebody who I consider to be just a leading expert on all things Middle East.

And I think that today, the world that we live in, I brought her on today because I want

to her to explain, you know, what is going on in this country called Iran.

Why is the United States involved?

What is the connection to Israel?

And before I bring her in, I am Mayor Deb.

I want to do a quick intro on Claire and who she is.

She is the founder and president of Lopez Liberty LLC, which has a mission to alert Americans

to the national security threats, both international and from the Islamic movement, the Muslim brotherhood

and their Marxist collaborators in this country.

She is supported by former acting ICE director Tom Holman and Tom Trento at Defend the

Border, the United West.

She was the formerly serving as the VP of the intelligence summit with a career operations

officer with the CIA professor at center for counterintelligence and security studies,

executive director of the Iran Policy Committee from 2005 to 2006.

And she has served as a consultant, instructor, a analyst, a researcher for a variety of defense

firms.

Currently she is also writing a blog on Newsmax, which has several articles relating to

what is going on over in Iran.

And Claire, I know there's so much more about you.

You have an extensive bio, you know, I ask myself why somebody like you isn't in Trump's

cabinet at this point in history.

Maybe you can give us a clue what's in as to why you're not.

But what else do you want to tell us before we get into this discussion about your background?

Well, I mean, first, thank you, Deb, I really appreciate the chance to talk with you and

your audience again, no time more timely about Iran in the Middle East than now, of course.

And yes, I have been involved in all kinds of teaching, training, writing, speaking about

the Middle East and in particular about Iran for quite a long time as you point out there.

Why am I not somewhere in the Trump administration?

I don't think they know I exist.

That might be part of it.

But I would certainly welcome a chance to support the Trump administration in any way that

I possibly could.

But in any case, we'll start here today with you and the broadcast in your audience.

Yeah, I love that.

Well, you know, I, you know, I think in this day and age, you know, what I would be doing

if I were president of the United States is I would be scouring coast to coast and I would

be getting the best and brightest people around me.

And unfortunately, I feel so we've fallen a little short with that.

I think we've picked a lot of media personalities, show host, et cetera to plug into these leadership

positions.

And you know, that's just, that's just the way it is right now.

But you know so much more than anyone I've heard speak on the affairs of what is happening.

As most people know, there was a war that began on February 28th between Iran and the United

States.

We have an issue with the Strait of Horn Mews, which is a big through way for tankers

that carry oil and hence affect gasoline prices throughout the country.

So I want to start there because I think most Americans drive unless they, you know, have

an EV, they're, you know, looking, they're getting hit at the gas pump.

Last I checked here in New York State, prices are continuing to increase.

What, what explain the significance of that Strait because many of us don't know or maybe

have never heard of the Strait of Horn Mews before the show?

Sure.

Thank you.

The first thing I would do is to offer a word of support for some of the outstanding members

of the Trump administration.

I would name Marco Rubio at the State Department, Secretary of State, also leading the way

now with Cuba as he did before with Venezuela.

I don't know how many hats he's wearing at the moment, but it's a, he's doing a very good

job.

I think I would also give a shout out to our Secretary of War, a former talk show host

indeed.

Yes.

PTAG SET, I think that back in June of 25 with Operation Midnight Hammer in cooperation

with the Israelis, then that one was Operation Rising Lion.

I think Secretary of War PTAG SET has done an outstanding job.

And the third talk show host that I'll mention who I think is also doing a wonderful

job, is Sean Duffy at the Department of Transportation.

But to our topic for the day, there's so much to get to here.

It's hard to know where to start.

Let's start with the why part of this, why now?

Last June in 2025, the United States and Israel combined to strike in particular specifically

Iran's nuclear weapons sites.

That would be Natanz, Isfahan and Fardo.

Natanz and Fardo, of course, places where centrifuges spun up uranium to higher levels of purification

and their way to weapons grade.

Those are enrichment sites.

Isfahan, more so of a conversion site that takes the iron ore, I don't know, the uranium

ore in mind form and through chemical processes transforms it into a gas, hydrogen, what is

it called?

You'll have to cut this part.

In any case, transforms it into a gas that is sent onwards to Natanz and to Fardo to

be spun up in the centrifuges and to reach purification's level of suitable to make a

nuclear weapon.

So those sites were all hit last June in 25 and it has been thought that severe enough

damage was done to those that Iran no longer could claim a nuclear weapons development

program.

Although from satellite imagery and reporting on the ground, they had been trying to resurrect

that, both at those sites on those sites trying to dig down, I guess, into whatever might

be left underground, but also at other sites like, for example, Pickaxe Mountain.

The other reason now is not just that Iran was trying to reconstitute its nuclear weapons

program, which it obviously was, is perhaps even still now, but its ballistic missile program.

The ballistic missiles, of course, are designed to carry the payload of a nuclear warhead

when they get to that point.

There were sites and you'll see these reported on in my Newsmax blog site, In Defense of Liberty.

Several times I wrote there last year in 2025 about how the Iranian regime was working

on adapting nuclear warheads, not yet finished, developed, you know, armed nuclear warheads,

but adapting them to the nose cones of their ballistic missiles at sites out way in the

east of Iran, province called Semnan Province, at a number of ballistic missile sites, Sanjari

Sun, Ivanaki, Shahrud, that were very active in trying to adapt the last steps of a warhead

to the nose cones of missiles.

I think the combination of these things, in addition to the way the Iranian regime slaughtered,

tens and tens of thousands of its own people when they rose up and took to the streets this

year, January 26th, those things combined, but especially the nuclear, the ballistic missiles,

one more note about nuclear, and Steve Woodcoff envoy to every number of places spoke to

a media outlet just a couple of weeks ago, maybe a bit more, and told announced on that

media outlet that also as Rafael Grossi, the director general of the IAEA International

Atomic Energy Agency, also has spoken out publicly and announced reported that there were

over 400 kilograms of highly enriched uranium, 60 percent, probably more, but they're

admitting to 60 percent enrichment, hopskipping a jump from there to a nuclear warhead weapons

grade, over 90 percent, announced that that 400 plus kilos was missing, that nobody, at

least in the open public, you know, Sorcerina, knew where it was.

So put all of those things together, and I think that's why together, Prime Minister

Netanyahu of Israel and President Trump United States decided they could not wait any longer,

knowing that those 400 plus kilos were out there of H.E.U.

And could be, if the capability were still in an undisclosed place, could be spun up

to weapons grade enough to make what was at 10, 11 nuclear warheads in the space of just

a couple of weeks.

That is why now, that is why I think they decided and to February, overnight, February 28

into Saturday, March 1st, they had to go.

Yeah, and see, this is why I say early when I started this show, I questioned why you

were not in that cabinet because you just so concisely explained within, you know, less

than five minutes, a better explanation than anyone I've heard in the media explained

why we are at war right now with Iran.

And on that note, I hope listeners stay tuned because you and I are going to be getting

into a lot more concerning this and all things Middle East after this short break.

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All right, clear low pads, just gave outstanding definition, I'll call it, of why we, the

United States, have gone to war now with Iran.

And I just want to take it back to when I first started off.

And I want to put it to the straight of her moves, the oil tankers, what effects Americans

are seeing and perhaps we'll be seeing going forward as long as this war continues.

Sure, so to continue sort of the chronology of how we got to where we are today now, I would

say that the Trump administration, together with Netanyahu's government in Israel, Operation

Epic Fury on the U.S. side, Operation Roaring Lion on the Israeli side, it's been very

methodical and sequenced in order of the operations ongoing now.

So they began by decapitating the leadership of the Iranian regime, particular supreme

leader Ali Khamenei.

Now supposedly his son, Mojtaba, has been selected to be his successor, but it's not at

all certain whether he's even alive or in what condition if he is still alive.

And also I should add very quickly here, neither the father nor the son, Khamenei, has

ever been authentically, legitimately an Ayatollah.

So we don't call them Ayatollahs.

The senior was the supreme leader chosen after the death of Ayatollah.

He was an Ayatollah, Rahala Khomeini in 1989, but at the time he, Khamenei was the

first, the father, was not even an Ayatollah, he was a middling rank Hujat to Islam in clerical

ranking, but they bumped him up automatically or artificially to be the supreme leader.

The very same thing has happened now with Mojtaba.

He too does not have or did not have the theological or scholarly credentials to be an Ayatollah

in the ranking of Kham and the clerical hierarchy.

He too was is only Hujat to Islam, middling rank.

So we don't know if they're alive, he is alive or not.

So the leadership of also the IRGC, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, eliminated leadership

of many other ranking figures up to several dozen now within the Iranian regime, within

the IRGC in particular, its intelligence units, the Air Force, the Navy, all of these

top leadership eliminated, they're gone.

There is no central Khamenei control in Iran anymore right now, but what I would say is

that the way that regime prepared itself for such an eventuality as this decapitation

was to decentralize.

Iran has 31 provinces and in each of those are subunits commanded by lower level IRGC,

bloods force, besiege, besiege are those street militias that suppress people dissent

in the streets.

And of course, subunits in every one of those of the national police and also of the judiciary.

So that is how Iran is operating now down to the third, fourth level, I don't even know

what level they're at anymore, but way down, completely decentralized and when these

provincial leadership figures seek guidance, command and control orders, they're aren't

any because there are no more command and control leadership figures.

So in a way, they're operating now on autopilot and their own initiative as they had been

perhaps instructed to before all of this.

But what I'm getting at is that as we see the Iranian regime, whatever is left of it,

retaliating against neighboring countries in particular around the Gulf, Oman, United

Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, as far as Turkey, if you can imagine, and

more, they are operating those attacks from the local level.

And when we come now to the Strait of Hormuz, which I know you've asked about here, the

plan of the regime was to at least threaten shipping that tried to get through the

Strait of Hormuz in an operation like Israel and the United States, you know, together

are conducting against the regime.

And so in the face of even threats to shipping, the international shipping insurance companies

halted that coverage, loids of London comes to mind, there are others, but they stopped

providing insurance coverage to shipping, trying to get through the Strait of Hormuz.

What that did is backed up shipping traffic on both sides of the Strait of Hormuz, inside

the Persian Gulf and outside of it trying to get in, trying to get in to load up, trying

to get out with loads to carry to customers all over the world in particular East Asia,

might mention China and others in Asia.

So even though President Trump now has offered to provide risk insurance under the Aegis

of the United States government and also offered to provide naval escorts, US Navy escorts

to ships trying to get in or out pass through the Strait of Hormuz, the traffic is still

backed up and all the elements perhaps that the United States Navy would bring to the

the Strait area, the Persian Gulf area, not quite there yet.

There is a marine USS amphibious ship coming in from East Asia now, it will take some

days, maybe a week or more to actually arrive in the Persian Gulf area, but that ship

is equipped to take on whatever might be left of the Iranian Navy.

It's down to basically small boats and autonomous drones, little boat drones is what they have

now.

It's dangerous, but launched in a swarm can really cause harm to shipping, that's what

it's down to now.

That marine amphibious unit would be equipped to deal with that.

We should also mention here Carg Island.

Carg Island is this little teeny tiny island, it's like eight square miles off the coast

of Iran in the sort of northern part of the Persian Gulf.

A little bit of a topography here, the modern day oil tankers, ships need very deep water

and as the topography, I guess, underwater, the seabed of the Persian Gulf up to the mainland

of Iran, it's kind of shallow, relatively speaking, and those big tanker ships can

not dock there.

They cannot dock in that shallow of water.

We don't know exactly how many meters deep, but it's not deep enough for the great big

tankers to harbor, to anchor right up to the mainland of Iran.

That's why Carg Island is important.

It sits a little bit off the coast of Iran and around it the water is deep enough for

these oil tankerships to dock, to either come in empty and load up or to get to that island

in the first place.

So that is why the United States attacked the military defenses on Carg Island just

a few days ago, took out all of its air defense, all of its IRGC presence, military bases,

facilities on that island.

But notably President Trump has said he did not and does not want to attack the actual

infrastructure of the pipes that carry the oil from Iran's mainland to that island Carg

Island, the harbor, the ports, the docking facilities, did not want to destroy those

because we would like to leave some capability for a future Iranian regime after this one

goes down to be able to function, to operate, to fund itself.

And Carg Island is extremely important, that is the financial hub of the Iranian finance

system.

I mean, that is where the majority of their income comes from.

So as it's cut off right now, that will assist in bringing down the current regime, but

hopefully, after this regime is gone, that the facilities on Carg Island will remain,

the infrastructure will remain for the future, for a future government of Iran, of and by

and for the people.

But for the moment, that's the situation at Carg Island, the situation at the, the, the

Straits of Hormuz.

Yeah, I'd like that you brought up Carg Island.

I think most people haven't heard about it.

I know, when I know about it, it's also called the Forbidden Island and it has a lot

of archaeological sites of importance, Christian monasteries and other things as well.

So that's what I know about the island, but I, you know, you have, and it's K-H-A-R-G,

I believe, is the spelling of it, correct?

Yes, I've never heard that there was ever any kind of Christian presence on the island,

but to look it up.

Yeah, no, yeah, according to my research, the island includes ruins of a Christian monastery,

dating from possibly as far back as the seventh century.

So just a little something if it viewers or listeners are interested in the history of

that island, there's quite a bit of reading on it.

Okay, yeah, it appears that there is one, there is, there had been one, a ruins of one,

Christian monastery, there are dating back centuries, I guess.

Yeah.

But, you know, that leads me to a question.

So once this war is over and Iran starts to rebuild its military, its government,

are we going to see, do you think, in your opinion, will we see a better, a better country evolve

and better, I mean, as far as humanitarian?

For example, Iran always refers to the United States as the great Satan, and there seems

to be, you know, this back and forth that goes on.

And we're not the only country, obviously, Iran targets Israel as well.

Do you think that once this war is over, we would see a better regime or type of government

in place?

Well, you know, even though President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu do not allude

to regime change as the objective of their two respective operations, roaring line and epic fury,

I have heard, for example, a retired Army General Jack Keen, who's chairman of the Institute

for the Study of War, speak numerous times as a guest commentator on news programs, heard

him say that the operations now that are taking down this regime and all of its military

capability, including air defense, gone, as we talked about top leadership of the military,

of the IRGC, of the intelligence, ministry of intelligence, all of the top leadership,

gone.

The effect of that is to set the stage or set the conditions by which the Iranian people

themselves can now step up, go back to the streets without the fear of being slaughtered

by the tens of thousands as they were back in January.

So the messaging coming from Jerusalem and from Washington, D.C. is, at the moment, hold

on, wait, people of Iran, do not come to the streets just yet, but the strategic sequencing

of these operations has moved from the top echelons of the regime, again, their military

capabilities, both offensive and now defensive, too, down further to the local levels.

And so the operations being carried out now are striking at the provincial level, even

at the city level across Iran, to the point of taking out the siege units as they are

taking to the streets, taking out their bases where all of those black motorcycles are

located, their bases of operation at the besiege local level, take them out of the equation

so that the people of Iran can take to the streets once more and not be completely wiped

out and or arrested, jailed, tortured, and then killed.

And so what I would say is that the next steps that may not necessarily be visible, but

I would think going on behind the scenes would be in the next steps, in addition to whatever

armaments the people of Iran can now take away from either units that themselves have

been destroyed and or units that may be coming over to the side of the people laying down

their arms or giving over their arms to the people.

But in addition to that, I would think this would be the opportunity to provide from the

outside, maybe beside, maybe US, don't know again, this is not going to be public, but

providing weapons to them, providing intelligence to them about the locations of these different,

let's say, besiege units, police units, providing means of communication.

We know that the regime, such as whatever is left of it, has cut off communications,

shut down the internet so that people in different parts of the country cannot communicate

with each other to organize, but to override that, to get past that.

Thank you, Elon Musk, has provided a starlink that needs on the ground receivers, they need

to be provided.

So I'm saying weapons, intelligence, communications to the people.

I will also say that geographically around the periphery of Iran is where its minority

populations are mostly located.

So if you're in the southeast up against the Pakistani border, that's the Baluchis, actually

they're across the border on both sides.

The Baluchis come to the north up by the Caspian Sea, the Azeris, right across from Azerbaijan,

Azeris, Azerbaijan, that the same people on opposite sides of that border come around

to the northwest, and you have very large Kurdish populations that span the border between

Iran and Iraq, and we heard about a, what, two, three weeks ago now, that five factions

of the Iranian Kurds, which previously had squabbled interminably, I mean, just always fighting

among themselves, decided to come together and they unify the five factions there.

I think a six has joined them now, so call it six factions of Iranian Kurds now unified.

And then finally come down to the southwestern border of Iran, and that is up against the

Persian Gulf, and we're talking there about the Ajoas Arabs, they're not Persian, they're

Arabs, and they speak Arabic, and that is in the province of Huzastan.

So all of them have been armed, and because they're on the periphery had better chance

to smuggle in weapons and whatever for a long time now.

But they are armed, and as the Kurds will take them for the example, are rising up in their

own provinces up there in the northwestern part of Iran, they are first targeting their

own provinces where their own, you know, ethnic centers of population are to free them from

the central control of Tehran.

So that's all happening.

And to your final question, I'm really getting to it, can the next government of Iran be successful

inside of Iran, not only just the ethnic periphery, inside of Iran for many years, 47 years

actually, have been the resistance fighters of the Mujahideen-e-Kalk.

Yeah, there are others too, but I mentioned them because they're the oldest, best organized,

best armed, and are part of an external Iranian plus external in the diaspora political

organization called the National Council of Resistance of Iran, led by its president-elect

Maudium Rajavi, headquarters outside of Paris in France, and another big concentration

of the M.E.K. located in Albania in a, I don't know, they built their own city really outside

of the capital, Tehranah.

So I mentioned them because I think it's very likely that at least the Israeli Mossad

has probably been working with the M.E.K. on the inside of Iran for a long time because

they're the ones that feed out, have fed out the information about Iran's nuclear weapons

program, its ballistic missile program.

By the way, M.E.K., Mujahideen-e-Kalk, in English, that translates to the people's fighters

or the fighters of the people.

And in English, you'll sometimes see that rendered as PMOI, people's Mujahideen of Iran.

In other words, the fighters for the people.

So there is, at the political level, the NCRI level, an organization, I've been in Paris,

I've sat with them at their leadership council table, completely organized around the

10-point plan of Mariam Rajavi published in 2006 first.

And that 10-point plan lays out the principles by which a future Iranian government could

be organized.

And it includes, first of all, and a democratic and secular government, the separation of religion

and state, universal suffrage.

That means gender equality, a free market capitalist system of the economy, minority protections,

kind of autonomous concept for the ethnic minorities, an independent judiciary, freedom of speech,

press, assembly, and so forth, much like our very own Bill of Rights in our Constitution,

Declaration of Independence in our first things principles there.

So yes, there can be, and our plans are ready for there to be, a much different government

in Iran after this regime is gone.

And the point here to make especially is that the people of Iran are already, they're not

opposed to these Western concepts and principles, they embrace them, they embody

them, they long for them.

Unlike, you know, maybe let's take Afghanistan, for example, the people there have no concept

of Western, you know, principles, constitutional principles as we would see them.

But the people of Iran do.

And under the prior regime, yes, it was a monarchy, no, it wasn't free and independent,

democratic, no, but they had already moved on the path towards, you know, independence

from, you know, a theological kind of a theocratic kind of regime, they were modern,

they were technologically advanced, they can go back to that.

And that's what we hope to see.

Okay, so it sounds like just a lot of moving parts over there right now, but I hear from

what you're saying, the a glimmer of hope.

So we're going to take a break and more to come from Claire Lopez after we return.

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And back here talking to Claire Lopez, someone I've known for a while now.

And I really consider her just an expert on all things Middle East.

Claire, I want to now get into the United States.

I cannot make heads or tails anymore about who's protesting what?

You know, we saw protests against Israel.

We're now seeing protests against Iran.

People who are in favor of the Islamic regime.

People who aren't.

Help me and the listeners decipher what exactly is happening on your soil.

Well, it is confusing.

No question.

And I can understand that it's hard for people to figure out who's

on which side I think to break it down to it.

It's absolute basic level Trump derangement syndrome.

Anything that this president president Trump does.

And certainly in cooperation with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel.

Automatically derangement syndrome, it's got to be banned.

It doesn't matter.

They don't even know how close the Iranian regime was to developing nuclear weapons.

Or the ballistic missile means to deliver such weapons.

They have no clue about any of that that we talked about.

All they know is that they hate Donald Trump.

They hate Israel.

They hate BB Netanyahu.

And so anything they are doing has got to be banned.

I never mind that it's in defense.

Of the survival and the national security of both Israel and the United States as well as

we're seeing now, of course, of the entire Middle East region.

As Iran in retaliation turns and attacks all of them.

So I mean, what we're doing together, United States and Israel,

is for the protection of our own national security.

But as well of a much broader range across the Middle East region.

Yeah. And what you just said is something that helps to clarify the point a little bit

certainly for me and hopefully for those who are listening.

But I do feel we've seen recent terror attacks that are striking at Jewish temples.

And do you think that we're going to see more of a rise now in anti-Semitism

than we have prior to the start of this war on February 28th?

Yes, certainly, but we need to go back.

I think all the way to October 7th, 2023 with the horrific Shabbat massacre carried out by

Hamas, that is the Muslim Brotherhoods unit in Bransha in Gaza against Israel with, you know,

over 1200 people slaughtered that day, unimaginable cruelty torture.

And so the anti-Semitism that had existed already before that

blossomed, if you will, into complete Jew hatred in America across the world, certainly here at home

on our college campuses, above all, in some of the elite Ivy League university campuses.

And I would say that the reason for that then has a lot to do with the presence of the Muslim

Brotherhood closely aligned, by the way, nevermind Sunni Shiite, but Muslim Brotherhood has been

working with communists, that is, the prior Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhala,

Chomeini, Chomeinists, since they began training together in the Baka Valley in the 1960s and 70s

under the KGB. You have Gennie Premakoff at that time. So that collaboration, don't dismiss Sunni

and Shiite. That collaboration is real and it dates back decades. You go to the macro level

of Darul Islam versus Darul Harb, and that's where you're at. So in any case, the Muslim Brotherhood

presence on university campuses here in the United States relies on groups like the Muslim Student

Association, students for Justice in Palestine, which itself, by the way, is the campus branch

of the American Muslims for Palestine, a Muslim Brotherhood group that was a founding member

as a matter of fact of the Muslim Brotherhood overall political umbrella group in the United States,

called the United States, the United States Council of Muslim Organizations, and AMP was a

founding member of that, its campus branch, students for Justice in Palestine. So that's where

a lot of this was incubated, almost if you will, among impressionable young college kids who don't

know up from down. So that started after October 7th, really horrific examples of support

for Hamas, for the murder and the torture, the rape, the burning of babies alive that went on.

That's after October 7th, 2023. Bring it up then now to the current launch of Operation

Roaring Lion and Epic Fury, US and Israel together after February 28th, March 1st, this year,

2026. And it's almost a continuation of the same phenomenon, if you will.

Same groups, Muslim Brotherhood groups on campus, but also, excuse me, also a Muslim Brotherhood

Iran regime, operations, information operations, SIOP, cyber operations online, together,

working to infiltrate all these avenues of information to the American public from anywhere,

from the university students on up through other ranks. And then of course you've got

mayor of New York City, recently elected Zahran Mamdani, who himself is wait for it,

a Shiite Islamic 12th, that means a follower of the 12th Imam just like the now decimated

leadership ranks of the Iranian regime. So at every level that we're talking about,

the infiltration of our institutions of society, academia certainly, government we're talking

about at the local level there, media certainly, social media in particular, all of these

institutions of our society have been methodically infiltrated by the forces of Islam.

And that being Sunni, Muslim Brotherhood, that being Shiite out of the regime, or whatever's left

of it now, out of Iran and its 12th or leadership. Okay, so let me ask you this, what would you say

to someone who hears what everything you just said, and they say either, well, you're just referring

to the radicalized Muslim movement, you know, or they call you Islamophobic for bringing up those

points. What would you say to those individuals? Well, first of all, to to be alarmed, to be

fearful even, of Islamic jihad and Sharia, the application of Islamic law, Sharia, is completely

normal and natural. There's nothing phobic about it. And after we saw what they did on October

the 7th, after we saw what this Iranian regime did to its own people in January, a couple months

ago it now was slaughtering tens of thousands of them in the street, kids, young people especially.

I think there's plenty of good reason to be concerned, worried, alarmed, fearful of the application

of Islamic law, Sharia. That Iranian regime, if nothing else, was devout, faithful, obedient to

Islamic law, the practice of it and the imposition of it by force on its own people. So, you know, that

makes Islamophobia kind of a very silly, you know, moniker to throw at people. As for Islam itself,

you know, people who may not be so familiar as I expect your audience probably is, Deb,

but those who may not be so familiar with, again, Islamic doctrine, law, scripture, the application

of that, as for an example, under this former, hopefully soon former regime in Iran,

may not realize that when the practitioners, when a regime like Iran's not only practices, but

through jihad and force, forcibly imposes Islamic doctrine and law on people or attempts to do

that through jihad. That is absolutely straight up the middle, mainstream, normative, orthodox,

Islamic doctrine and has been for over a thousand years. There's nothing radical, there's nothing

extreme about it. That is absolutely straight up the middle Islam.

Well, okay, and, you know, and I want to point that question out because I think it's far too easy

for everybody to throw around these labels. And I think that they really do it as a way of

silencing any type of education or discussion like you and I are having on the topic right now,

you know, just call them Islamophobic and, you know, put a, you know, a black strike on their face

for even daring, dainning to discuss that topic. So I think that that's someplace we don't ever

want to be in this country where we're afraid of discussing something openly because we're afraid

of being tagged in a negative manner or a perceived negative manner. So thank you for that answer.

And I guess we have a few minutes left. I want to get to where folks can reach you, but I,

before we get there, I just want to ask you how long do you think, and I know, you know, you're

not a fortune teller, but how long do you think we're going to see this war going on between

us and Iran? Well, going on the statements from President Trump from the Secretary of War,

Pete Hegseth, their estimations and also the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General

Kane, Dan Kane, they are talking about another couple of weeks. So looking to the end of March,

beginning of April, perhaps, for this military part of it to be over for these straight-of-formos,

to be opened for passage of, you know, tankerships once again. That's what they're saying.

They are talking about a timeline that they planned out very carefully ahead of time,

absolutely realizing they would have to deal with threats to the passage through the

straight-of-hormos, knowing all of that, and methodically dealing with each of these

levels of threat. And again, there are, we can see, they're moving through those steps,

strategically, methodically. So I would take their word a couple weeks, two, three weeks to finish

that part of it. But then, you know, as both President Trump and also the people of Iran, the

National Council of Resistance of Iran, what they say is over to the people, over to the people of

Iran, it must be up to them to decide what their next government will look like to take upon

themselves, and they want that responsibility. They look for that responsibility to shape,

to establish their own government on a new constitution after this regime falls. So that's

where I think this is going. Okay, great. Yeah, you know, I just want to throw out, I just

listened to something on Rumble on a channel called Well-Verseed World, and there was an Iranian

woman on there, Maryam Rostin Poor Keller, and she talked about how she was imprisoned in an

Iranian prison for simply speaking about her faith in Jesus Christ. And evidently, there is a

huge underground church network of Christians who are afraid to speak openly about their faith

for fear of persecution. And I just want to say that I do hope that they someday get to the point

where people can openly practice the religion without fear of persecution, because I can't imagine

living in a country where that would be the case. Before we leave, though, Claire, I do want to get

where people can reach you. I know you're on a very social media outlets, so give us the rundown,

really quickly. What I would also say is that we are in the in the week now of what's called

Shahar Shambay. It is the celebration of fire and of light in Iran going back to Zoroastrian times.

It will be followed eventually by the celebration of no ruse, no ruse, Zoroastrian. People in

Iran, especially the young people, are leaving Islam by the thousands. Some might be taking up

another faith like Christianity. Some just don't want anything to do with religion anymore period.

And that is part of the commitment of the NCRI to a government in which religion and state

are completely separated. So where people can reach me, thank you, Deb, for everything. And for

letting me talk to your audience, I'm on social media at Claire and Lopez on Twitter, X or whatever.

Same thing, my name at Facebook. I'm at Claire Cho, C-L-A-R-E-C-H-O, on truth social. And I'm at Lopez

Liberty on Telegram. I also post up interviews like this and my written pieces from Newsmax and so forth

at the Citizens Commission on National Security. Also the United West, that's unitedwest.org,

the unitedwest.org. Where else? The National, I'm sorry, the Near East Center for Strategic

Engagement is another place. So look for me in all of those places. I try to post up and keep up

to keep up with the interviews and writing at those different outlets. Thank you.

Great. Well, Claire, thank you so much for joining me today. You are a wealth of knowledge. And I

hope those listening at least learned something today about the affairs of the Middle East.

And until next time, everyone, be good to each other and God bless.