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As the dust settles on India’s back-to-back T20 World Cup victories, Henry Moeran is alongside Matt Henry and Prakash Wakankar to discuss everything we can take away from the tournament.
How did India triumph? How can we assess England’s performance? Plus, who dropped the worst catch of the tournament
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Hello and welcome to the Test Match Special podcast.
It is the morning after the night before here in Ahmedabad.
India Teeth 20 World Cup Champions again.
And what a tournament it has been 29 days.
55 matches at the end of it all.
The first side to retain the trophy,
the first team to win it on a home soil as well.
So much to discuss from what has been an enthrulling month.
You're listening to the TMS podcast from BBC Radio 5 Live.
Well, hello from steamy Ahmedabad.
Henry Moran here alongside BBC Sports, Matt Henry
and Prakash Wakanka as well.
It is a day where India is waking up smiles on faces.
Headlines such as India standing alone at the top.
After a T20 World Cup win that delivered a storm of all time records.
That's what the Hindustan Times said.
From at the times of India.
India win the T20 World Cup.
One triumph many heroes.
T20 World Cup final of red letter day for Syria Kumar's men in blue.
So many headlines to celebrate.
What is a marvellous achievement and what a victory.
It was Prakash, first of all to you.
It was as good a day as India could have dreamt of.
96 runs is an outrageous margin of victory.
It is and I think in that sense India did say if it seems
their best for the last.
It was the biggest margin of victory for India in the tournament.
You would say it was probably one of the most dominating wins.
And in some ways therefore maybe not quite the final people wanted
but I doubt if the majority of Indian supporters would have a problem with that
because the result went their way and wiped out some of the memories of 23.
Statistically speaking, it is their biggest victory in the history of T20 World Cup.
And it is New Zealand's biggest defeat as well if you missed it.
Well India smashed 255 for five and New Zealand beat them by 96 runs.
Desperately trying to somehow give themselves a foothold in the game.
Now Matt, you were there in the bowels of the Narendra Modi stadium
until the wee hours.
Press conferences that came about quite a long time after the trophy lift
which was quite a long time after the end of the game.
Yeah I think Mitchell sent the tone up for his press conference maybe an hour
and 15 minutes after the last ball which has...
I can't be in a nice situation for him I doubt.
There's a lot of standing around and we had light shows
and various events going on, drawn shows going on after the player.
But yeah I think Mitchell sent the...
He seemed quite a matter of fact with how many to be too down on New Zealand.
There are a bit used to the situation either.
They used to losing finals.
They...
Well New Zealand have lost ones in what?
In 2015, 2019, 2021 and then 24 in the Champions draw up here.
25 in the Champions draw up and so on.
It's a fifth final and a fifth defeat in 11 years.
Yeah which is obviously has given an experience of knowing how this feels.
I felt like Santa was quite disappointed in the way his team had played yesterday.
They didn't ball particularly well I think it's fair to say.
They didn't feel grace as well, dropped a couple of catches.
But it was not as wide early on that just sort of released any sort of pressure.
The first two overs, easy to forget now that the first two overs did actually go okay for New Zealand.
I think there were five dot balls in the first overs.
Samson got my Henry away for one six.
The second over went for five and then after that it was one way traffic.
Well it was brother and 92 without loss at the end of six overs after those eight
wides in there as well.
So actually seven point two overs once you...
Once you factor that in it's the joint most runs ever scored in a T20 World Cup match.
Power play.
The stats just keep on rolling in practice and no side scored more than the 255
in a T20 World Cup knockout match but more than that as if to underline India's dominance.
They passed two fifty three times in the tournament.
Yeah they did and like I said earlier we're doing that in the semi-final in the final.
It couldn't have been better scripted.
India began shakily we all know that that USA game which we covered wasn't wasn't exactly
their perfect game but I think somehow that defeat to South Africa I think acted as the perfect
catalyst. They filled it poorly in that game they knew there was subpar and thereafter for
the three games that India played I think they were a different side maybe it was the sort of
almost kick in the backside if you will the wake up call and then they just found a new gear
at which to play and that I think allowed them to sort of scale the peak that they were hoping for
and for once they peaked at the right time.
Yeah five instances of 250 being scored in the T20 World Cup three have been by India in this
tournament with their backs really against the wall since that defeat to South Africa so
if you're ever going to perform under pressure it's a perfect example of it and why they have
despite losing to South Africa as we've said very worthy winners if you can do that under pressure.
What was the streets like at 2.33am on your way home last night?
It was quite her that I imagine it was when you left but still India shirts everywhere people
everywhere sort of a bit of some people celebrating or the people sort of out sweeping the streets
trying to get it back in in shape after what I imagine with the celebrations immediately after
the final wicket fell. Yeah it was good to be a little bit wild to find a taxi but let's not
complain well it was a special night and certainly for India a really special way to conclude
what's been a brilliant month of cricket I think it has the more I might think about this tournament
practice no sports event is ever perfect never some dud games but there weren't that many of them
much much in the minority one day I mean you think about the way this tournament's gone we test
upon that offer yes well the fact that this was an expanded tournament you had that many teams
you had more nations represented and their ability and their hunger to come out and perform
compete against the best in the game the individual performance is spurring them on whether it's a
Bennett or a Sikander Raza for Zimbabwe or somebody else for Namibia or USA remember what these
Zimbabweans achieved against Australia all of these things I think added to the to the charm of
the tournament the fact that the sport that we love may be finally heading towards being a little
more global than being restricted to a smaller group and I think that can only be good for the game
both both men's and women's cricket I think is now expanding and long may that continue because
there will come a day I hope when we can talk about cricket not quite in the same vein as we do
about football that will probably never happen but to get more and more nations more diversity
and more skills and more techniques and more new things that's what the name of the game is and
cricket's headed that way in my view this tournament certainly played it at all yeah because this
is the second of those 20 team to 20 World Cops and Paddes at the first one was 2024 and the
Caribbean and that one was great I loved working on that tournament but there was still some very
one side of games there we had that spell where Locky Ferguson ball four was four made ends and
that sort of thing and some and some very low scores made by the lower ranked teams here has been
very very competitive all the way throughout and almost the super-aid stage in some ways
was a bit of a leg down after all the entertainment we had at the start it's helped that we've had
too well one ranked one very good match in a semi-final the England indie game which was a brilliant
game of cricket we had a very impressive match even though one sided between New Zealand and
South Africa and then India's run at the back end of that super-aid sort of lifted the super-aid
a little bit towards the back end I will always still bang the drum for more knockout matches get
to quarter finals sooner if that means scrapping the super-aid then still be it we've seen that the
group's stage now is a competitive and a part of the tournament in its own right it used to sort
of just be the build up that got us to the point where the so-called bigger teams or the higher
ranked teams were then competing against each other it was almost a vehicle to get to that point
that's not the case anymore because as we've seen the lower-ranked teams can beat the higher-ranked
teams so let's almost champion that early part of the tournament get into some knockouts and then
really put the cat amongst the pigeons from there you look back at the start of a competition
third game of the tournament India giving a real fright by the USA England win by just four runs
against the pool both of those matches we were lucky enough to be at in Mumbai there was the
double super over here and I've met a bad between South Africa and Afghanistan it's an
he's ten wicket win for their first t-20 World Cup victory against the pool in their first appearance
brilliant matches and some compelling stories and narratives of teams coming from seemingly
nowhere but really performing well absolutely and as I said earlier I just feel that if these
nations get more opportunities and there's a lot of talk about how this can be achieved you're going
to play a permanent or a senior ranked team or a higher-ranked team on the way what's the geography
can you stop by and play a game in Namibia or in Zimbabwe when you're going to South Africa or
play a game against one of the European teams if you're touring England and so on and so forth
I think that needs to become part of the mandate almost even if it's bilateral even if it's not
necessarily part of the WTC cycle I think the more established teams need to do their bit and I
actually well I've said this before once and I don't know anyone will ever take take me upon it
but I think there's almost a case to think about whether the bigger t-20 franchise leagues can almost
put together a side which is sort of a representative of the rest of the world I mean there was a time
when they used to be sort of the best team in Testman's cricket playing the rest of the world test
why not in t-20 cricket why not get a get a team together which has representation maybe
your continental level or whatever and just make it into something which gives more opportunities
and more heroes and more you know aspiration and more idols for people to follow in some of the
countries where where cricket isn't yet quite where they would like it to be I think the other
factor in all of this is so much conversation about weather in the women's tournament that was
played in this part of the world in the autumn match with all those games that were washed out
in in Sri Lanka but only two games lost to the weather in this competition out of 55 and
you play tournaments anywhere Australia England South Africa you're going to expect a few to
to fall by the way side but that really helped them momentum yeah momentum is the key thing there
doesn't it because we had it everyone forget back in 2019 in England where we had that week where
it never stopped raining in Bristol in the southwest when we had games wiped out but yeah it's
it's allowed the tournament to get a nice floor to keep going I do think one little issue I've
I don't know kind of goes back to that super eight point it felt like a very long time between
England's securing their place in the semi-final and their next match of consequence which
then wasn't until I think it was nine days between England being Pakistan and then that semi-final
against India which almost just fights against it and leaves you like stalls at a little bit which
I guess goes back to that point about quarter finals without meaning to bang the same drum again
yeah there is sort of the perennial issue of context but compared to the 50 over World Cup where
it feels as though in some parallel universe that 2023 tournament is still ongoing somewhere with
various group matches taking place and and so many games where you sort of knew the outcome before
they started and we sort of knew who the semi-finalists were going to be but this part of the world
T20 is king let's make no mistake with the IPL and there is just that feeling perhaps that T20
cricket does create a closer more exciting tournament possibly and I love 50 over cricket and for
me the World Cup will always be the 50 over World Cup but this tournament as much as any other
was really on the line how good T20 tournament was today yes I think I think fan support is the
key I think for a lot of people today the 50 over World Cup many will still believe what you said
I agree with you it is the World Cup of white ball cricket for me as well but I think the amount of
time that a spectator has to invest in that is becoming harder and harder and so you're going to
find situations where you know people find it easy to go for a three and a half for our game
to go out with the family have a nice evening if you're in a proper city you might be able to get
to go out and have dinner before or after have a drink or two except if you're an amr the bud
but the fact of the matter is that it's a it's a family outing ODI cricket 50 over cricket still
means practically the whole day albeit often the second half of the day and and therefore I think
watching on television and television viewership probably 50 over cricket still very much there
but I think from an engagement with the public short sharp exciting a lot of razmatars many will
argue some of it totally unnecessary but is there and and people love it because they come out
there they dance they came they paint their faces they do all that kind of stuff and I think it's
short and sharp and this world is moving towards more and more instant gratification and that's
what T20 cricket is delivering what I think we plenty more of his Ricky Martin who performs at
the final the tournament actually thinking about living to feed a local came about four years before
T20 cricket did so there you go if you heard that enormous horn in the background by the way we're
not standing on some sort of alpine hill with somebody about to break into some yodeling we're
actually right next to a railway station and a train truddling in towards Arminabad so that's
the good of the tournament Matt and we're going to get on to England's report card shortly but
the tournament more broadly what do you think could have been done better and what has not quite
worked good question aside from the scheduling sort of part of it and the structure of the tournament
that I've mentioned the it's hard to forget all the issues that were around the India Pakistan
game with the stars and what that meant and the distraction that that took away from the cricket
in the first week of the tournament so I saw frustrating that we and there are so many reasons for
and it's such so big picture and it goes far above all of us and it's such a tricky topic to
sort of not to debate but to sort of find the right answer to because there are so many different
parts of it but that that issue still hangs over cricket and that is not particularly healthy
for the sport I was encouraged to say we haven't got the statistics for the final yet but
the the stats came out the last couple of days for the viewership of the semifinals particularly
the England against India semifinal and that was the most streamed match ever in India I think
which shows that I took from that that maybe we don't have to be as reliant on that India
Pakistan fixture anymore does it is this proof that if good cricket will because ultimately there
are always there's money that needs to be made in these tournaments to make the world go around
and to make the game work and in the Pakistan for so long has been such a big part of that that
fixture I would hope that those numbers that we got from a brilliant semifinal between England
and India and knock out match I'd like to point that out again banging the same drum that proves
that maybe we don't have to be as reliant on one fixture it's still going to be crucial it always
will be but hopefully that shows that champion championing cricket can be the way forward good cricket
you're very I completely agree look I think it's time I've said this before as well Henry
I think it's time that the ICC got whatever the method is got together and simply pastor
if it's unanimous even better but a resolution which says look tournaments will be awarded to hosts
or co-hosts whatever that story may be and once it's announced there will be a qualification based
on whatever criteria teams will be asked teams have to sign up unequivocally and say these are the
hosts we know we will go and play where we are told to if they sign up that's great if they don't
you say thank you very much we'll see you the next edition get the next in line and go on with it
no more pond pandering to ABC or D for anything the only way that this can go forward in my opinion the
sooner they can do it the better I understand the economics I understand the the hype of
air particular fixture but I think it's time we moved on from there I think Matt makes a very
good point about the viewership I think good cricket competitive cricket consistently competitive
cricket will always draw eyeballs and will give you the revenues and the viewership you want
or the list of ship for that matter and I feel that it's time to move on now from all these
previous sort of fixed notions that this has to happen in a particular way I don't think it needs
to and we need to move on as a as a cricketing loving organization the ICC needs to just now get
their act together on this and move on from there yeah and it is going to happen naturally a
little bit now isn't it so the tone we've had a lot of tournaments in Asia in the last few years
men's admittance the next t-20 world cup on the women's side is in England this summer then we've
got the next 50 over world cup in South Africa the men's 50 over world cup in 2027 and then the
t-20 world cup after that the men's one is in Australia and New Zealand so the issue of
India traveling to Pakistan Pakistan traveling to India is not going to come up as much for the next
little while which hopefully will help matters it's also interesting as well because since last night
there's been a lot of talk about how is the world ever going to keep the cricketing world going to
keep up with India they're just going to dominate forever now and we cycles like this have happened
before Australia were very dominant for 350 world cups in a row we'll be interested to see whether
India can keep this up in those other venues and those other countries that I've mentioned it has
fallen quite nicely and I wrote a piece last night after the game after the final pointing this
out that yet India have been dominant in the last work since 2023 since the end of that 23 final
that they lost since then but they had a home world cup in India 50 over they had one in the
Caribbean on very slow law turning pictures which really suited their spinners particularly in
that semi-final against England they then had a champion's trophy in Dubai where India played over
matches at home and they're very used to playing in Dubai as well and then they've had another t-20
world cup at home here so as well as Sri Lanka so yes India have been brilliant they've been dominant
conditions have helped them a little bit which is just the way it goes sometimes that's not a
criticism of India or at all they've done brilliantly to do that so now we'll be interested in the
one thing the rest of the world can sort of cling to and hope hope that may bring them back into it
in those next few tournaments is that now India are going to have to go and do it in Australia
they don't have to go and do it in South Africa South Africa and then there's an Olympics as well
in America in 2028 which we'll say how that goes I've no idea what the pictures are going to be like
that so whatever the history of cricket in Los Angeles is going to be like oh what those pictures
are going to turn up like who knows but yeah it should be interesting and we'll just see how
that all players out one thing I'm going to throw in there as a little bit of a negative is I
think for overseas fans tournaments need to be better organised in terms of when matches are
happening and fixtures are released I did a little bit of research yesterday and leading time
ahead of the women's World Cup in India this last year was four months so tickets were released
about two months beforehand this tournament similar leading time it was less than three months
for the 2023 edition the night before the semifinal at 6pm there was a mad rush of tickets that
was suddenly released it is nigh on impossible for overseas fans to travel with any consistency
confidence in where fixtures are going to be and when they're going to be and I think that is
something that the tournament organisers need to mandate as you are going to release the
fixtures six months ahead of time because it is just too difficult and part of what makes
major sporting events so brilliant is when you've got fans coming together and enjoying themselves
side by side and I think it's too easy to think well we're just going to fill the stands
regardless because people love cricket you've got to think about well what actually is creating
the best spectacle and best opportunity for fans around the world to come and watch the matches
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so England beats and semi-finalists but come out of the tournament with a fair degree of credit
all things being relative matte and considering how they left Australia after the ashes
how they leave India albeit leaving India a couple of days after they might have done with
the travel disruption and everything else they had a reasonable tournament as beaten semi-finalists
I think so we were deciding whether to give it a report card that I'd say probably a B not
much more than that but a decent showing I mean it's one of those tournaments that one of those
performances overall that you can kind of spin whichever way suits your narrative I think
you can say well England never really looked like challenging they're never really threatened
in a semi-final although they did get within seven runs those sixes at the very end from
Joffa Archer almost narrowed the margin of victory then it was probably truly reflective
I would urge on the side of I'll lean towards the side of being giving more credit for coming
through a lot of tight matches England in the winter in Australia whenever it got close whenever
they did have slight opportunities in that series you go back to Perth on day two they threw
them away England have reversed that with this white ball team and they're in tight matches against
the pile against Scotland against Italy against Sri Lanka and against Pakistan and New Zealand
they got the job done under pressure I think that is a positive thing looking forward and we have
to remember that a year ago the 50 over team yes they're getting some champions trophy and
exited without winning a game so to have got to a semi-final and they not be what England fans want
and England need to look to do better in the coming years they might be helped by the fact that
the next tournament is in South Africa that should suit them better than being and these pitches
in India and Sri Lanka so yeah I give a slight bit of positivity but without knowing deep down
that it needs to get better you can't rely on semi-finals forever you've got to be in England
as a country has to be heading higher than that I think England did did pretty well as Matt said
these conditions are not necessarily where they're most comfortable but they did prepare well
this time that's something that at least in the press sitting here in India we read about the
preparation or the improper preparation for the ashes there was lots of press about all of that
I think they prepared well they played well they came through tight games and you know oftentimes
when we look at our own teams whether I'm looking at India or you're looking at England or someone
else at their own team we tend to be probably a little bit extra critical I think often times we
forget that there is an opposition that's played as well and I think in that India England semi-final
I think it was the Indian performance which really needs to be seen as being better than England's
as opposed to saying England played poorly it's not that England played poorly I think India just
played that much better on the night and T20 formats above all we all know are so close that it
could be one over here one over there one drop catch one missed opportunity or a brilliant knock by
someone for you know eight or ten overs can change the game so I don't think you want to be too harsh
on England I do think that the good thing to see was England would not as predictable as we've
known them to be in the past they were flexible they you know broke coming up to number three
probably should have happened earlier maybe that certainly changed the the tempo when they played
against New Zealand I thought young ran Emma being thrown into that game and waiting those
winning runs again showed that there's confidence there's there's belief in even the bloke
so sitting on the bench and coming in so there are a lot of positives I think often times
we as people who obviously understand the game a little bit but are sitting in a very different
environment and looking out tend to be critical more of our own teams than we are of the other than
either for thing I'd go a little bit above where Matt ended up Matt said B I'd go B plus I think you
mentioned that the sort of decisions a key decisions that have made I think that's where we are
expecting as you've probably read and heard in the last few days that Brendan McCollum and Rob
K will keep their jobs after this nothing's decided yet the suggestion isn't it don't enough I think
there are a few points that show that they've made good decisions in this tournament you take that
back I say in this tournament but you actually take it back to the start of the cycle we were both
there Henry I remember it heading like last year and Harry Brooks first press conference and
he spoke about bringing back Liam Dawson straight away he said I'm going to be captain
we've got a World Cup in India in Sri Lanka next year and bringing back Liam Dawson that definitely
worked England the start of 2025 they brought in Tom Banton and they picked him to a tax spin in
the middle of it he had one really good innings and a few good contributions as well that were
England of pick wheel jacks as a finisher which on the first it is a quite a forgot open
for exactly his whole career he does it in the hundred he does it for sorry he does it in the
IPL mostly he's going to bat at the top of the order and they saw something there that they thought
he can be our finisher a problem in England a problem position for England for a little while now
and that's absolutely worked so much so that I think he's probably banked that position
for the 50 over team as well so I think you have to give some credit there plenty credit there
to Brook and to McCollum we've criticised them through the winter quite rightly you have to
give them a little bit of credit for when it has come up when they've done things that have come
Jacob Bethel as well a hundred in a World Cup semi-final 22 years old he's become part of that
small club of players that have scored 300 in three formats for England or indeed full stop so
that's a massive positive for England yeah and that is we shouldn't forget despite everything
I've said there how important that innings is in setting the narrative because had England
conceded 254 against India and then being rolled for a hundred we'd be saying very different
but I'd counteract that by saying the fact that a player was able to do that and play with that
freedom and that mentality tells a story similarly when Harry Brooks scored his hundred and there
was that real wobble for England but he went out there as captain it didn't think oh I've
got to protect my wiki so I'm going to win the game and that actually it just told a bit of a
story about the attitude of the team and I actually think that you can say oh well he might
got out but I actually think that's got an English way of getting what why not think well he
didn't he went for it and he's actually shown the way and I think that's a real positive
ivory and I think that's that's what I mean I mean what do you choose to focus on the players when
they talk I'm sure they analyze inside their own huddles and groups everything that was that went
well and what didn't go well from the outside often I think we tend to focus a little bit more on
on what didn't go well we've got to give credit whereas due like Matt said whether it's in strategic
planning whether it's in execution whether it's it's in decisions that have been taken in the heat of
battle on the spur of the moment on the park all of these things matter sometimes they work sometimes
they don't and in T20 cricket I think the only way to play is to play to win at all costs because
whether it's a seven run loss or a 70 run loss yes you can talk about the headlines and what have
you but the result is the same so you might as well go down and lose by seven runs rather than
try and sort of protect something that you want to protect or individual player or whatever T20
is to me a real team game and I think England yes it was Bethel that night it could have been someone
else in another situation coming as close as they did I think they should be absolutely well not
absolutely very little criticism I think England have come through well and and there was one
game away let's be honest from from winning the winning the tournament so I think B plus for sure
if not more yeah will jacks four player the match awards as well his bowling as much as anything
and and no player in the history of the tournaments collected more across across a single edition
so real real credit for him also I think you can possibly put a bit of an asterisk around the figures
of some of the scene bowlers just because of the fact that we've seen such big scores in the tournament
and yeah very few scene bowlers have really really profited by Jaspery Bumrah who's been as ever
phenomenal practice you spoke there with nuance and a degree of of balance and in this modern day
an age particularly on social media that's not allowed you have to sing and we're absolutely
rubbish or absolutely brilliant so I'm afraid you're going to have to you're going to have to try
again but no this is the point we have to look at things with a little bit of balance and I think
your external view is a really interesting one because at the end of of the men's ashes there was
such a sense of negativity and it was all well this was terrible this went wrong it was horrible
and whatever else but sometimes as you say you get to the end of a tournament think well actually
yeah they did all right there and I think England will feel didn't win didn't necessarily you know
quite before when they really needed to in that in that crunch moment but they did a decent
enough job and there's some positives going forward is that is that fair match just to conclude
yeah I think so and we can admit that things did go badly wrong in the ashes and that is what makes
in some ways the way that they were able to reset the narrative all of them all impressive it
there were there was so much baggage coming into the soul we haven't even mentioned the things
that Harry Brooke came into this tournament with the questions he was asked and the lead up in that
series in Sri Lanka around the incident in Wellington we haven't mentioned that at all yet
and that's because of how they've been able to turn it around since then and why I think
basically I think this feels different to 2024 when England lost to a semi-final against India
and went out this feels like a better showing than that one even though ultimately it is exactly
the same yeah I think that's a very fair assessment right then to wrap things up let's go for our
quick fire round gents answer from each of you on the following best innings of the tournament
practice Finale and semi-final Calcutta yeah 100 to beat South Africa I will prefer I prefer innings
with a bit more nuance a bit more jeopardy when the team sort of the situation is on the line so
then I go either Sanju Sampson or in the matches against West Indies in particular when he
led that chair which is effectively a quarter final or Harry Brooke in against Pakistan I'll just
give it to Sampson yeah I'm gonna go Harry Brooke for that innings because it showed a direction of
leadership that I thought was very encouraging what about your wow moment of the tournament practice
Australia going out without question for me that was the big one because look Australia irrespective
of all the problems they had coming into the tournament the injuries to their leading bowlers
and all of that you know that they are such such a side such a country such a sporting nation
they always find a way and and for them not to make it through and and get out of the tournament or
we we dumped out of the tournament at the Sri Lanka leg itself for me was the wow movement in a
negative sort of way the wow movement for me positively was the performance of countries like
particularly of Zimbabwe who I doff my hat to them the remarkable resurgence and I hope that
continues for a while and I have one shot is that allowed Harry Brooke's shot against New Zealand
into the big screen am I allowed that yeah yeah I think that's a lovely show I'm gonna go Andrea
Bicelli making an appearance in the tournament when when Italy won that game against Nepal by 10
wickets hearing that Andrea Bicelli had sent a message to the squad across over I hadn't anticipated
coming into the competition what about the flattest pitch practice good question
it's a tough one you know what is a flat pitch is it a pitch where that is play exceptionally well
against bowlers who are known to perform extremely well or is it a pitch where bowlers have no hope
because if that's the case then by and large all bowlers whether you're great or ordinary should
go for runs that's not been the case I mean if you look at the two matches that India played where
a lot of people are saying they were specially rolled out as is inevitable of course in the world
today in Mumbai and in Amgabad guys like Bhumra Nisham his first three over the brilliant so it's
not that there is a flat pitch and bowlers can't do anything yes is it stacked in favor of bowlers
or batsman is a debate we can have teach when he cricket is meant to be a bad dominated game
that is why we talk about and enjoy it when when the ball is doing a lot more and in the early
part of the tournament both Sri Lanka and India we saw the the pitches offering a little more I
think as the pitches got older as the sun baked down particularly here in India and they had to
make sure that they weren't going to crumble and there was obviously a lot more rolling so bat
friendly batting friendly pitches did turn up towards the latter part of the tournament in the
knockout stages and if I still had to pick one I would say that Mumbai was probably flatter than
even Amgabad. Yeah I maybe go slightly the other way I'm not sure I saw a ball do anything
of north particularly in the first thing is when he's here and in the final probably give it just
to that one yeah I think Mumbai for me it having seen the heavy roller driving up and down I think
the heavy roller did you know it put about 3,000 miles on its clock the day before the semi-final in
Mumbai went down it when he looked at the knackered by the end of that shot the boundaries
and Mumbai as well that's also true yet no fair point Matt okay what about the worst drop
brackish this will surprise you I think I'm not going by consequence of the drop or the impact
the drop had if that was the criteria I think Harry Brook would be right up there but I think
for me in that condition it was actually Hardik Pandya's drop at Backwood Point yesterday which
I thought was a absolute shocker for someone of his ability we did it so they won earlier in the
innings the shift I'm duvet drop in the very first over it was kind of missed on the TV pictures
how Ashley Singh it was the baller when the ball was smashed up in the air it was fin Allen wasn't
it skyde a catch it was on zero and it didn't really matter in the end to out-to-long off
Ashley Singh was almost at fine like celebrating before the ball didn't drop way off the field yeah
Allen had gone one way I actually think of the other way both just expecting the catch to be
taken it somehow duvet dropped it but I'm not sure that one from duvet was as bad
as Osamitarix in the game it's an England and Pakistan when he dropped Jacob Baffle that one
was a real setter I'll go with that one I just want to make one one other observation I don't know
how right the wrong this is but depending on the time of day I'm just casting my mind back to that
game at the Eden Gardens and if you look at it from a ground where matches catches have been dropped
I think the Eden Gardens in this tournament will probably be right up there now whether it is
because of the the way the the ball comes out of the crowd whether that's Ahmedabad where again
they have that similar ring of fire kind of floodlights whether that's a cause but there are
certain grounds where sometimes catches go down a lot more than than some others and that maybe
something to factor into this but yeah nobody drops a catch deliberately and there will always
be that story of catches winning matches we talk about the greatest catches in the tournament we've
some seen some remarkable ones so yeah that's just the way the game is and that's what it's all
about right that's why it resembles life some things work some things don't I'm going to go
harry broke in the semi-final early on sands you samson 15 goes on to score 89 potentially who knows
would England have got through maybe not someone else might have got the runs but I almost put it
a little bit like the length of pool gas going stud when the ball goes across the six yard box in
extra time of euro 96 and England almost score a golden goal it's not quite like that I know but
it was yeah it's one of those moments you think well what might have been how might history of
of gone differently so so I'm going to chuck that one in there and just find a best player in the
tournament that's a tough one really is because you know recent seed bias will come in and with
that caveat honestly I do think there's been some amazing individual performances but I am going
to go out of script a little bit and actually say the Indian cricket team and the reason I say that
is it's been years coming but this time I felt that the Indian team played as a team much much
more than an individual there's several eight key performances through the through the latter part
of the tournament in particular and right up front as well and that's why I think for me the best
player of the tournament is the Indian cricket team but if I had to again gun to the head pick one
a recent seed bias very much part of it send you something it's hard isn't actually to pick one
player from this tournament there's been a lot of contribution this is almost a strength of the
Indian team that they're Gantan Gambia spoke about it last night the importance of the collective
they don't have necessarily this India team the superstars of previous India teams when you could
reel them off when you had sat chin and drive it in ganguly in teams or you had
caulion roe it's in jadeja in another team just but bummer is obviously a superstar outside of
that and I'm not sure there are any real mega stars in the same league that roe hit and caulion
doni for example samson definitely for the way he has performed the depression will be up there
it's hard to ever argue against bumrabi in the best player any composition he plays in
doesn't feel like any of his performances have been particularly much defining
although that ovary ball in the semifinal against england when he only conceded singles right at
the death when england have got them momentum going and then they fell away after that following
over when they were left for too much to do was crucial Bethel may have got them over the line without
that so maybe I go with bumrabi but I wouldn't really argue with samson if someone said to me that it was
well jacks that I probably wouldn't argue with that too greatly either I think there are a lot of
quite a few players up there neither top who performed pretty well throughout in terms of the stats
and the wrong numbers well sams are the far hand for pakistan's 383 runs across six innings the
most anyone's ever scored in a single edition of the tournament at sands you samsons five innings
yielded three hundred and twenty one runs so some amazing batting contributions with the ball
bumram chakravati both fourteen wickets a piece I'm going to chuck in the USA shadowy van
as well who picked up thirteen wickets across just them fourteen point five overs which is pretty good
going from from the american fast boulder for me I can't look beyond bumrabi I just think that
there is nobody like him in the world game there's never been a boulder quite as effective or dominant
consistently who almost makes a t-20 match twenty place sixteen overs it feels like a time
he's just that good and for me any team in the world would be so greatly improved by his presence
that he's irreplaceable and for me you can't look beyond him as the most significant and brilliant
player in in the world game particularly in white ball cricket so I'm going to have jessbreet
bumram right then gents here in our little eerie sitting sitting here in the warmth of arm
at about thirty nine degrees I'm glad that we're in the shade as well practice is wearing his
very natty t-20 world cup baseball cap back to front he only does that for celebration re-occasion
so he told me he was too old to do that the other day I tried to tell him to do it he's not a bit of it
not a bit of it it's listened to us he'll be broken down by the end it's worrying if he's
taking fashion advice from you may not also let me just mention Matt Henry not the New Zealand
bowler but when we checked into this hotel the card that they had partially filled out for you
already did have the fast bowlers birthday on it which is a nationality New Zealand yeah yeah
if we dig and that we might have got a sweet on between them well honestly I can't
confirm no one's lost sweet yeah well there you go right thank you brackish and Matt and that's
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not too long to wait until the next major ICC event as well 12th of June that gets underway
in England with the women's t-20 world cup will India's white old dominance continue across
the men's and women's game we will wait and see we've got a huge summer as well coming up with
white ball and red ball series for England's men and women of course for 100 new look 100 to come
and we're less than a month away from the start of a county championship oh it's all so close
and so exciting it's been a long winter but my goodness it's been good fun thank you so much
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