The battle for childhood: Identity, authority, and the right to grow up

0:00Good day, listeners, and welcome to Don't And Fives of Kolei, Kim Kennedy here. Welcome you to the program. And I'm your host for today, and we are always, always so glad that you choose to join us. And we are back again talking with David Arthur of ivelongademen.com. I hope that your heart is touched as much as mine is with listening to his testimony, his personal life story, as he cuts through all the, a lot of deception surrounding the topic of transgenderism, gender dysphoria, et cetera. And I, the Lord graciously and marvelously saved him, and he devotes a lot of his life to sharing his testimony. And I know the Lord has used him greatly. We also welcome back Michelle Ashley, who is a pro

1:01life warrior, a warrior for life, which includes this issue as well. So Michelle, David, thank you and welcome. Thanks so much, Kim. Good to be here. Amen. Well, we're glad to, like, we're just so glad to be able to have these conversations and speak truth and love or purpose, guys. I know, I know I speak for you guys when we're here, not the bash attack, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, we're here because we care about people. And if there's a harm being done to people, especially children, we're going to, we're going to speak out on that. We, we must speak out on that. And so to, to get started, we want to talk about something that I've been considering, I've been listening to you, David, and I'm reading your stuff and it, it occurs to me that really in a way, not in a way, I consider this transgender movement to be a religious cult. Do you think I'm off the mark there? I actually don't. So it is a cult, right? It's not some kind of like legitimate religion or community or cause, right? It's a diabolical, political, demonic mass of wickedness that

2:07uses deception, confusing, sexual, sexualization, grooming. It functions with cult like recruitment, with identity formation around false identities with affirmation rituals, even the opposition to dissent or exit, the cult makes it very cult like. So it's not a religious, I know a lot of people will say that, you know, transgenders and as a religion. And that's actually how they've been able to keep it out of some of the, some town libraries by saying that you can't have any religious activities here, so blah, blah, blah and taking it to the board and it worked, but not in a positive sense. It has nothing to do with the one true religion. You know, we see a lot of false religions out there. But it's a spiritual stronghold. It's a rebellion. It's a rebellion against God's perfect and good design. So I agree. I say it all the time. I have posted video clips that I've collected

3:15all over the worldwide web of people saying, transgenderism is my religion and all kinds of things. But then they also talk about the demon in them, the demon next to them, the demon, you know, all around them. So it's a cult, you know, and it's just very demonic. And like, I know like you asked a couple questions about like how do they, how does the trans queer cult evangelize and who's the target of their evangelizing in. So while I didn't really get into any of the links, I did, I did dive into the question zone and really think about them. So they evangelize through targeting, through grooming, through desensitizing, through sexualizing, through recruiting, especially like via childhood trauma, right? Absence of healthy affirmation,

4:19and media, schools, peers, pride events, gender affirming languages, gender affirming practices, and all the cultural and societal pressures that are all around, especially the youth and the week and the weary. And so, you know, like for me, it was being molested and recruited as a child, recognizing abuse with love or male validation, and then dissociating into the false identity. So the movement does definitely presents transition and affirmation as a path to belonging, to happiness, to authenticity, right? While suppressing like the root trauma of mental health issues, biological reality, it infiltrates institutions and it silences critics, being your, your authentic self by becoming what you're not, right? And who do they target? They target the vulnerable, they target children, they target youth, that whole suicidal trans-kid narrative that's used to

5:27exploit the depressed, the confused, and the delusional, it's just emotional blackmail actually. Having been that suicidal trans-kid, then later becoming a suicidal trans-adult, I can assure you that it's just, it's just emotional blackmail. What is the hook they used David to recruit these kids? What did they use on you? So really it's everything. So it's really like who are they targeting? You know, they're targeting the traumatized, they're targeting the sexually abused, the confused, the mentally fragile, emotionally fragile, those that are just seeking to belong, right? Those that want male or female affirmation or validation, whatever they're seeking. And of course, the weak and the weary, so that's what they use. They use your trauma and your desires and your wants and your needs to desensitize you, to sexualize you, to victimize you. Right? I mean, and even like

6:33adults that have been already drawn into this cult, they're also retained as advocates, right? And ultimately that means they're their pawns for this, for this cult. The church itself is targeted. I mean, just for deception and silence, right? Right. It's, it's yeah, and using intimidation too, right? Exactly. Exactly. Outside. Absolutely. And that's part of the cult, right? Yeah. That's what really makes it a cult is the intimidation. Yeah. And targeting kids, I think when you're at that vulnerable age, right, where you really, what do kids want most? You know, when you're going through adolescence when you're young, you want to fit in, you want to belong somewhere. And so David, did you see that when you, but also to on the other side, when you were, you know, when you, when you, when you detransitioned, right? Was there the pressure and the backlash on that as well from the community? Oh, absolutely. So, you know, even like, I definitely

7:39saw the belonging. That's one of the promises. One of the promises of this cult is, you know, they stand there with all these, with all this, these colors, we, we call it the rainbow. It's not a rainbow because of rainbow by definition has seven colors and theirs has six. So, you know, we see these shiny bright colors and, and all of the confetti and the unicorns and the butterflies and the arms wide open and the love and the hearts. And we love you, right? And so everybody wants to belong. Everybody wants to be loved. You know, they promise that. They promise you to, that you could belong. They promise you a family. They promise you authenticity or true self, the happiness, relief, relief from your dysphoria and your depression and your suicidal thoughts. But they offer the relief of these things through affirmation, puberty blockers, hormones, surgeries, social

8:42transitioning, acceptance, diversity, equity, inclusivity, shall I go on? And these are all the things that make dysphoria and depression and suicidal ideation worse, right? But that's what they promise you to solve all of that for you. They, they claim that the identity is fluid that sex is changeable or spectrum based, right? And that rejecting biological sex can bring you freedom, can bring you actual true mental health. And these are just really the things that make mental health worse. I mean, as a Christian, I know it's it's demonic, it's oppression. But to me, what is mental health, depression and all of that, it's demonic oppression. You know, so I mean, I don't have any doubts that that is spiritual. But at the same time, if we're going to

9:43even begin to educate people, it's like we have to look at all of those promises, right? And then say and you asked the question, and it really had me stuck for a few because I had to sit back and say, wow, what are the results of of their evangelizing, right? What are the results of all their promises? And really, it's just the opposite of all their promises. That's the results. So everything gets worse. It's continued or worse in depression. It's worse, worsened or continued confusion and suicidal ideation, irreversible physical harm, right? Like sterility, osteoporosis, mutilation, health damage, addiction, prostitution, trafficking risks, criminalization in some cases, deeper bondage. And of course, the ultimate goal is spiritual death. Transition doesn't heal root trauma. It masks it. So like many, they later exit, right? And then they find real freedom,

10:51which is only available in the Christ. And they also learn how to, in their, as they discover their true identity in the Christ, they learn how to accept their biological sex and who and what they're created to be and what happened to them. They're able to embrace that and to get help for that. You know, there's, there's high ongoing suicide risk that affirmation can't even begin to touch. And again, it just has to do with the underlying issues and the comorbidities. I think that that's really important because like there's so many children out there and just people in general, we always say children because you know, we want to protect the children, but I kind of want to protect everybody. Even the adults that are that are being lured into this, you know, they're mentally ill. We see it all everywhere we go now. We just need to open up some

11:56asylum again and start putting people in them and then let them get some deliverance or some help and come to grips with who they are and what has happened to them because you know, I don't think that we grasp just how many people have been perverted and abused. I really don't think that we grasp that. I know a lot of people say, well, with the statistics say it's four and 10, but no, I'd rather say it's like eight or nine out of 10 who have been perverted and molested and sexually abused or sexually violated. And that's just by my own experience. I mean, I mean, especially right now doing, you know, doing outreach as much as I am. I meet addicts and homeless and emotionally disturbed people and just people down on their luck every day and almost every single one of them when they talk to me and open up talks about how they were abused.

13:00Yeah, and as Christians, that's where we have to be. That's the compassion. You know, you speak the truth and love. Like you said, Kim said when we started, we're not here to bash anyone. We actually want to help. You know, it grieves me to see these children that are making lifelong decisions and then being almost pressured to sometimes by parents. And I know, I mean, luckily, I came from the stuff you said as I was reading that there was a 16 year old girl in New York who regretted her. She was, yeah, she was 16 when she transitioned, regretted her decision, then sued her psychologist and her, the surgeon. She won, I think, a $2 million settlement. So I think that's where they're saying the tide is starting to turn. And even the medical associations that were all on board, like the plastic surgeons and even the American Medical Association starting to back off. So have you seen that, David, when you're, you know, well, I have seen a lot. So I also, like, I think that we get, you know, I hate to always try to be the one,

14:08like, the bearer of bad news, but I don't think that it's, it's slowing down as much as we would like to think it is or as much as we're being told it is, just because they're stopping it in some places, because then you have the gender, affirming care sanctuary states. There's 14 of them. And so they have thousands of runaways and and thousands of children and adults from other states that are here, like in the state I live in, that are being transitioned on the taxpayer dollar. And they don't even have to put a name and information down anymore. They can just be whoever, whatever they want. And that's who they're going to be while they're being transitioned and medicalized. And, you know, I mean, medillated, sterilized, butchered, experimented on. So yeah, I don't think, I do know, like, there are a lot more

15:14detransitioners that are going after the doctors and the clinics and the surgeons. And I think that's great. I mean, I kind of see like a good and a bad in there, you know, because I don't think a lot of detransitioner, a lot of detransitioners that I know aren't Christian. And believe that they're just same sex attracted and that they were gay kids that were transitioned. And, you know, so they don't really believe that they have a true identity in Jesus the Christ. And they're going to these buildings that call themselves affirming churches and they're being told, you know, that God created them that way. And the scripture doesn't say what we say it says. And this is what it really says. And so they're being like really ultimately brainwashed all over again

16:17into a whole new cult or the same cult, just another branch of it really, you know. So yeah, I would love to like kind of look at the, I know we have a break coming up, but maybe like after the break, we could kind of look at some of the scripture and kind of dive into because, you know, one of the biggest things is Jesus never says anything about transgenders or homosexuals and he just loves us. And, you know, and that's just not true because he really does. So yeah, David, that's we need to dive into that. And it's interesting, you know, you have first-hand experience talking to transgender people, detransitioners. Would it be nice to hear what they have to say because from my bread, but you definitely are someone who can verify this. There's a whole lot more that regret than are happy with what they do. Absolutely, absolutely. And so the numbers are not low, you know, they say statistics that the numbers of detransitioners are low. They're not. They're

17:21absolutely not. Detransitioners and desisters are actually more than happily transition, but almost every single detransitioner that transitioned through a clinic or a doctor is still marked down statistically as happily transition. You know, it's just, it's disinformation, it's false information. I think we touched on that on the last show about how they're how they're messing with all of the statistics and everything because that's what they do. They lie. Right, that it's not well-readable. It's a political agenda. They've left science and, you know, the same people who say science is real are denying science. And it's really a political thing. I mean, even the American Medical Association and others that it, you know, bought into this, it was through pressure. Yeah, you know, it's always through this. Become your true self by becoming who you're not. Right, right. You know, I hate it a lot. That's the way you are, but you're not. Yeah, I, let's,

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19:33Well, I challenge you to find a broader array of great voices, a deeper bench of experience or a more dedicated collection of passionate patriots than here on americaoutloud.nose. Now is our time, my fellow Americans, AmericaOutloud.nose, liberty and justice for all. Welcome back listeners to Don't Invite the Cool Aid. As always, enjoying an excellent conversation, we hope we're giving you things to consider, think on, pray on, talking with David Arthur of ibelongamon.com and Michelle Ashley Longtime Pro Life Activist. I know Michelle, you consider pro life extending to this because we know what's going on in schools. My understanding is that they are spent a lot of time in many schools. You can't paint with a broad brush and say they all do,

20:36but many teachers are actively promoting this agenda in their classrooms. A lot of times, most of the times without parental consent, which I think is violation of their constitutional rights, don't you think? Yeah, I mean, it's, well, it's using a lot of the same tactics, a lot of the same language, redefining things, right? Calling a baby, you know, saying it's not a baby. I mean, I was reading too, you know, with, with their saying to kids who, you know, getting them to transition, saying the gender you were assigned at birth, well, gender isn't assigned by a doctor. We're saying the doctor assigned, no, the doctor identified your gender, right? The gender that was assigned by God, the doctor's only identifying what's right in front of him or her. So, so it's a lot of the same tactics too, you know, of redefinition because when you can do that, it confuses the person and then they, you can get them to believe so many things, right? And like going back to what you said about being like a cult, I saw that article, you know, comparing

21:36it to that heaven's gate cult. So many of the same things that are used, the parallels, the way they recruit the secrecy, the alienation. And I think that's a big key, like we talked about when you say parental rights, is that, that so much of what's happening in our culture now is separating kids from their parents, right? Your parents don't know what you're talking about. They don't care about you, we care about you. And it's, it's really pushing the kids away from their parents. And it's, it's just so diabolical, you know, that they, it absolutely knows. And that's exactly what the glitter families, as they call them, that take in kids off the streets, what they do is they, you know, they, they just affirm them and they make it clear, like, you know, your, your NATO family does not love you. They do not care about you. And so there are no parental rights. If anyone wants to exercise their parental rights, the only way they can do that is by removing their children from government schools and homeschooling them and doing what the scripture

22:43tells us to do is to train up our children. I mean, that's just the only way to exercise parental rights. We say that public schools, the public pays for them, but they're government schools. And so there is no way to, to really have parental rights in the government schools. It's just not possible. And the teachers know that. I've, I've got tons and tons of videos, probably thousands, way too many, of videos of teachers on their own social media, saying, I don't get what the parents say. These are my kids. You know, I'm going to do whatever I want. I'm going to show them whatever I want. I'm going to teach them whatever I want. I'm going to tell them whatever I want. I just look at a case from not that not too long ago of a woman who just removed her children from the government schools to homeschool because the male teacher told her son, they were talking about sexuality. And her son said, well, I'm straight. And the male teacher

23:45told him, you don't know that. And until you try other things like, you know, until you have sex with a man or a boy, you won't know if you're homosexual or bisexual or this or that or that. And that, and she went and complained to the school and the school said, what? He didn't lie. He told him the truth. You know, like the school backed him. The school was like, yeah, well, he don't know that he's straight until he figures it out until he has sex with men. And, you know, and the school backed it up. So it's like really what it comes down to is just, children have to be trained up in the way in which they should go by their parents, by their families and by their communities. You know, Christianity is a community. It's, we're supposed to be a close knit tribe of village peculiar people. And we should be training up our children ourselves. You know, that's just always been key point for me. Because they're not going to get

24:53the Bible. They're not going to get God. They're not going to get Jesus. They're not going to know anything in the government schools. And for the parents that think that their children can be the light in the public schools, the government schools, please don't put that burden on your children's shoulders. Because it doesn't belong there. Because that's not there. That's not what they're, they're responsible for. Yeah, they're supposed to be the light. Yeah. You know, it's like parents always say, well, I have godly children. Well, no, you need to make sure that your children have godly parents. Basically, not that you're, you have godly children. Make sure your parents have your children have godly parents. Yeah. You know, I mean, that's just me. I get to, I'm so blessed. I really am. I get to talk to so many different people, believers, non-believers, people who, and I always say that like, there's a distinction between a

25:55believer and a follower, you know, because even the demons believe and tremble. So, I get to sit down with people and talk and so going to a question that was posed, wherein the scriptures, right, can we talk about or find anything about all of this and this transgenderism and everything? And really, what I always do with people is first, I just sit up down. I always point to creation order. I always point to the broader biblical teaching on sex, on identity and, and sexual morality, right, rather than just like a single modern trans or anti-omosexual verse, because they've heard all of those things. They've heard them

26:57shouted out them from bull horns, you know, at pride praise, at events, at wherever. But I always just sit down and talk. That's like my whole program, my residue program, that's what it really does. No matter what their addiction or their stronghold is, it always goes back to the biblical teaching on sex and identity. Genesis 127, God created mankind male and female, right? Genesis 224, one flesh, it's so important, the union of one man and one woman to one flesh. It's also talked about Matthew 19 in Ephesians, I think five or six. And then there's the condemnation of the same sex acts and sexual immorality. And that's all throughout the scriptures, but like, I mean, we're talking from Old Testament to New Testament, Leviticus, Romans, Vs. Corinthians, Vs. Timothy. Deuteronomy 225 is something that I always try to pull up to people.

28:01It's a traditional reading, right? And I always try to affirm it, because it talks about men not wearing women's clothing and vice versa. It talks about it's not cross-stressing. But what I found really interesting one day, while I was on the road, having read through Deuteronomy, I don't know how many times, and never really catching it or paying attention to it, but just kind of skimming through it. I guess when you get into some books of the Old Testament, you just want to get through them. So you just read, you don't really sit back and really ponder on things that so much. And now that I do, very next chapter, Deuteronomy 23, verse 1, said that no one who was emasculated or has his male organ cut off may enter the assembly of the Lord. That's a pretty powerful statement.

29:04Certainly it's right. You know, not just no one who is emasculated and not just emasculated or has his male organ cut off may enter the assembly of the Lord. And I have said that to some people and the look on their face was pretty treacherous. Like you could see the fear. And I think that's the fear of the Lord that we all should have, right? But when we talk about like identity and freedom, we don't really talk to them about like where it's found. Like it's only found in the Christ it's not found in our feelings. It's not found in our false identities. We have to one become a new creation. And they're like, how do I do that? You know, and so these are the things like a lot of people just have no idea. I tell you one thing everybody knows. And they could probably recite

30:09in their sleep. God loves me and he has a plan for my life. Now smile. But guess what? They say this to me all the time. God loves me. Yeah. I was like, yeah, you're right. But do you realize that his love doesn't get you into the kingdom of heaven? And then they're like, huh? Then you see the concern. No, he loves you from beginning to end. Like any good father would love his child. He's going to love you from the beginning to the end. Whether you choose eternal life or eternal death, he's still going to love you. So his love's not getting you into the kingdom of heaven. We don't have to obtain his love. We have to attain his grace and his mercy because that's what gets us into the kingdom of heaven. And I have people look at me as I've never heard anything like that. And that breaks my heart because their church is in the street. And we have evangelists in the street traveling all over the world. And they're not telling them the truth.

31:19Exactly. They're also trying to make them feel good. And trying to reinvent Jesus too. Yeah. That's what's really frustrating as a Christian is. We have to read the Old Testament to understand the New Testament. Jesus even said he didn't come to the Bollochewal. I came to fulfill it. And as you quoted David in Matthew 19, he restates and affirms what God said in Genesis. Right? Yeah. That they're male and female. And I think that's what's frustrating. But it's weird how people will twist it and act as though Christianity. It's it's hateful because you're not loving people when you're allowing them to transition or encouraging it. And it's the opposite. When you look at the Bible and you follow God's laws and you follow biblical principles, life works that way, right? And you have to, it all fits. But when you're when you're trying to say over here, well, you know, you can become male or female or whatever, you know, you can be

32:21whatever you want. But then the feminist are all on board. But then you try to say, well, you know, sports, female sports should be for women. No, no, no, a man can compete. And so it's like they're having to always bend themselves into this a mental pretzel to make these things work. And it just shows, you know, the more you study God, the more you study the Bible, it just it works. It fits. It makes sense. It follows the science. And that God says those things not to withhold from us. And that Satan's oldest tactic is to make all of us think that God's withholding something from us. It's the opposite. He wants our best. He knows that when we follow his ways, that that's where how we reach our best and draw closer to him and all of that. But, but just use us at right points, guys. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, just real quickly. Just I love your points. They're spot on. And I'm reminded of what Ray Conford says. The purpose of the law is to point out our

33:23sinfulness and point us to the cross. Not to like, oh, there's no hope for me. I'm going to jump off the cliff. No, no, no, just the opposite. Right, David? Condom Nation brings the center's heart to repentance. That's the whole purpose of it. Right. I'm glad that you you brought us back to Matthew 19, because one of the biggest lies out there in within the trans and even the just the entirety of the LGBTQ cult is that Jesus did talk about us. He said that we're unix and he talked about us and he says that we're unix and he says that it's okay and some of us are born that way and some of us are created that way and some of us just choose to be that way. And so I've had the conversation many times about Matthew 19, you know, and I always tell him, listen, claiming any identity that's contrary to to your biological sex, your created identity or walking in any type of

34:27unrepentant sexual sin is incompatible with a right relationship with God. And so like that covers dysphoria and all the related strongholds, but then you I always tell them like they're mutable. They're mutable. They're curable. And how through repentance, through healing, through Jesus the Christ. And one thing that we can see in Matthew 19 is there's a lot in there that a lot of people really don't see until they really sit down and actually see it. But in Matthew 19, we could see clearly how Jesus confirms and affirms the Old Testament. Which he does throughout his walk, right? Because there was no New Testament. So any states in Matthew 19, he who made them from the beginning made them male or female. And then he goes on to explain divorce, right? And why it was allowed due to the hardness of their hearts. And then he talks about one flesh. And I'm going to pull up my little scripture here. And he talks about one flesh

35:35and says, for this reason, a man shall leave his father and his mother. And be joined to his wife and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God is joined together, no person is to separate. And so what I find pretty fascinating about that part is that, you know, we say that man was created, woman was formed and some say from a rib, some say from the side, whatever it is, whether it's symbolic or literal, it doesn't matter. Because to become one flesh, that rib has to be returned to his rightful place, right? So two ribs cannot become one flesh. Two males, two figures missing the rib cannot become one flesh. It's literally and figuratively impossible. So in order for the two to become one flesh, the rib is returned to its rightful place. So then of course, they talked about divorce and the disciples were like,

36:41look, if it's all this, I think I'd just rather stay single, right? I think I just, I don't want to do it. You know, they said if a relationship of man with his wife is like this, it is better just not to marry. But then Jesus explained to them, he said, not all men can accept the statement, but only those to whom it has been given. For there are unix. And he says, there are unix who were born that way from their mother's womb. And there are unix who were made unix by people. And there are unix who made themselves unix for the sake of the kingdom of heaven and no one or the one who is able to accept this letter, but accepted. And so I think what I would like to do is go to break, because I see that it's, it's we're coming up on a break. And just give everyone a few minutes, really ponder about where we're going with that passage, because it's really important

37:47to combat the lies that Jesus the Christ never spoke on, homosexuality or transgendarism, because he absolutely did. Great place to stop fascinating points, folks, unfortunately, we must break. This usually happens when we're having great conversations, the time flies, but stay with us. You're listening to Don't Embive the Kool-Aid. On the America LL Radio Network, we'll be right back during treatment, the structure of tap water gets messed up. Yes, we have to purify water, but what are we doing to fix the water structure so the body can actually absorb it? That is why we created our lab certified structured water devices. These devices restore water molecules back to their natural structure, just like a mountain stream, making them highly absorbable. It's not how much you drink, it's how much you absorb that counts. Better hydration, better energy all day. Get one for your home or on the go at chemicalfreebody.com, forthslashoutloud for an exclusive discount. That's chemicalfreebody.com forthslashoutloud.

38:50Welcome back folks to the last segment of Don't Embive the Kool-Aid. Can Kennedy hear your host for today enjoying an excellent conversation with David Arthur of iBelowNameN.com and Michelle who's been joining us consistently, a tremendous long-time pro-life activist and also wants to be known for speaking out for children who are being recruited into transgenderism and we've been discovering why this is a dangerous cult. We've been exposing it and speaking truth and love, but definitely speaking truth. David, you want to pick up our conversation in order here in our last segment? Yes, so we were talking about Matthew 19. When Jesus said to them that there are unix and he says that there are some that are born that way from their mother's womb and there are

39:52unix who were made unix by man and then there are unix who make themselves unix, who choose to be unix. So first what is a unix, right? And so we have to look at castration. So there are unix that were and not just physical castration, but it could also be a spiritual castration or a mental castration. And when I say that, I mean like there are some unix who are born that way from their mother's womb, meaning that there are some unix. There are some men who are born that may be challenged, have a birth defect, have a mental retardation. I know we don't use those you know, unpolitically correct words anymore, but that's what it is. And so those people who aren't advised, it wouldn't be advisable for them to enter into a long term sexual monogamous relationship.

40:54So those are the unix that are born unix from their mother's womb and then there's the unix who are made that way by man. And so back in those days, there were soldiers that had to be castrated in order for them to guard heroms of women. So they weren't, you know like you see some of the 1970s Bible movies and you see someone who's supposed to be a unique and they're running around. They have like all this like blue chiffon robe and all this gold clang clang and you know, and they're very effeminate and that's that's not a unique okay. That is not a unique. That's what they want you to believe a unique is so that they could then later on tell you that homosexuals are unix. That is not a unique. That's just a false character that didn't even belong in the movie. So unix, those soldiers, they were manly men. They were very masculine men. They were guards. They were they were guarding heroms of women. So they had to be castrated because that was how it had

41:58to be because they didn't want them to to engage in sexual activity with the women. And then also in those days there were some crimes that were punish punishable or the punishment was castration I should say. So then you have the ones that choose to be right. I fall into this category. This is me all day long. This is the Apostle Paul all day long. Choose to be spiritually castrated so that there is no distraction, no other responsibility. Everything that I can do is just focus on building, uh, furthering the kingdom. That's it. My focus, my goal is, is furthering the kingdom. It's not building a ministry. It's not that it's just furthering the kingdom. And so I think like Paul chose to be spiritually castrated, a unit. And that's what he did. He lived and breathed and walked

43:02everything for the Lord. So when you sit down and you really talk to them and you say, you know, this is what a unit is. And this is what he meant when he said that. And you know, then I think we go to Michelle's point of how they're trying to create a new Jesus. And so it's not really like they're just creating a new Jesus, but they are just creating a new Jesus in their head. Because they want to, they want Jesus. Like we're all on a spiritual journey from the moment we're conceived. I mean, he knew us before he met us together in our mother's womb, right? And he knew the plan that he had for us out. What's that Jeremiah one and five? So because of that, we all are on a spiritual journey. And we can see it in all of the people who aren't

44:03followers of the Christ because they're all on a Harry Potter witchcraft, Wicken, you know, charmed everything has to be it's all a spiritual journey. But and that's why it's so easy for them to create this false Jesus in their head. Because they're on a spiritual journey, they really truly want to know him. Some of them know his characteristics, but they don't know him, right? And I think better off or the better part of that would be he doesn't know them. And I can say that that was probably one of the most passionate things that I learned how to say to people. And I give a quick recap of my I went to one of my trips, my road trips a couple of months ago was to Wisconsin. And I was heading up to Wisconsin. I stopped in Ohio with this little motel. Wasn't going to stay there.

45:09It was kind of run down, but it was really cheap. And so I go in and I'm checking in and who would walk into the lobby of a hotel that I'm checking into. But a drag queen. I'll have walks in and starts talking to the guy behind the counter. Even though he's trying to wait on me, he just starts like, I need my refund. I got bed bugs here and this and that. And in the spirit, I immediately knew like he was lying in the spirit. I knew like he just wanted his money back. And the guy looked at me and the guy was like, I'm so sorry. We don't have bed bugs. I said, I know you don't. And the drag queen says, what do you mean? You don't believe me? I was like, no, I don't believe you because I know you. And he looked at me and he looked at me like he was trying to place me like, where do I know you from? And I was like, I don't I said, I know you because I was you. And he looked at me and I said, I was the man dressed like a woman. I was living in these hotels. I was selling my body,

46:15giving it away, trading it for drugs. I said, I was you. And he's like, I'm a woman. And I was like, you're not a woman. You're a man. And he's like, you can't say that to me. They'll I call the police. They'll arrest you. And I was like, you cause that I wish you a call on the Lord. Can I pray for you? He's like, no, you don't pray for me. And then he started to custom me out and he walked out. And he walked out of the hotel. He's getting on this. He's grabbing his phone. He says, I'm calling the police. They're going to arrest you. Hate crimes. So he goes outside and I turn around and the desk like is standing there looking at me like, mouth wide open like, huh? And he's like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, it's okay. He's like, you want me to call the police? I'm like, no, I said, he's not calling the police either. Trust me. He's probably wanted by the police. And so I was like, I just want to check in. And he's like, okay. So I check in. I go outside and he's sitting out there on a stoop. And I didn't say anything to him. I was just going to walk by him and I walked by and he says, I know Jesus.

47:21And I looked at him and I said, but does Jesus know you? Wow. And he looked petrified. And I said, man, look, please, let me pray for you. And he just nodded his head and put his head down. And I said, I'm laying my hands on you. And I did. I laid hands on him. I stood behind him. I laid hands on him. And I prayed. And the spirit prayed really. And as soon as I said, I'm in. He just walked away as quickly as he could without looking back at me at all. So I knew he was upset. But all of that to say that the question should, you know, always be like, okay, because they always say to me, oh, I know Jesus. Oh, I know Jesus. I know Jesus. I know Jesus is in my heart. Yeah, but does Jesus know you? You know, and do you just know that his characteristics, like most of these buildings that call themselves churches, they know his characteristics, but they just don't. They're teaching people all

48:25about his compassion and his love, but they're not teaching them that he's just and he's righteous. And you know, and that there are rules. You know, it's everyone running around that's wicked. Says, but we're all God's children. And I'm like, no, we're not all God's children. We're all born children of wrath. We have to become children of God. That's become very hateful. You know, that's not compassionate. That's not loving. That's just straight up hateful anymore. But it's the truth. And so I think that when we are reaching out to people and being compassionate, we have to just be very bold. Right. And stand firm and tell them, listen, the truth does sound like, hey, to those who don't live in it. Right. Who don't know it. The gospel's foolishness to those who are perishing, right? And we all have the opportunity to become children of God. Amen. But you can't say,

49:26you can't follow the devil all day long and then say, how much out of God. Amen. And that's and that's what sad is it's the deception. And I think it's just so interesting. And that's why you really do have to go back to the beginning of the Old Testament and understand Satan's schemes. He hasn't changed from the Garden of Eden. You know, he doesn't, he doesn't create anything. He only perverts and twists and all of that. And it's and it's really not that difficult to understand that he's doing the same thing. You know, and in the in these movements, like you have the homosexual movement that say, I was born this way. Right. But then the transmum it says, it doesn't matter how you're born, you can choose that. It's like, well, which is it again? It's the contradictory state. Yeah. And that's another thing I get to all the time, right? I was born this way. And you know the easiest way to just stop that to say, you're right. You were. Huh? Well, I was too.

50:27We all are. We're all born with this in nature. Yeah. We're born that way. Whatever that is for us, we're born into sin, we're shaped in an equity. We're all born that way. That's why Jesus said, we had to be reborn again. You have to be reborn. Right. And they're like, oh, like I never heard anything like that. Like there's no argument there. You know, so many things that they come back with, I watch other people evangelizing argue with them. You know, and they just get mad at them. And neither they walk away yelling and screaming or the evangelist walks away. You know, you're just going to hell. You know, and it's like, that's why like when I go speak, I'd let them know, like, listen, yes, I love to be out in the streets and dealing with people who are lost and don't know better. But I really, really enjoy trying to school the saints. Because that's what we're supposed

51:31to be doing. We're supposed to be breaking it down for everybody for the lost and for the safe. Right. We the safe. We don't have it all together. Not at all. We don't have all the answers. And we need to, I think one of the most important factors for us as children of God is to establish relationships with those who aren't children of God. You know, and like I always tell them, like, I don't want to be your friend. And they're like, what? I'm like, I don't want to be your friend. I want to be your brother. So I'm going to be friend you because I have hopes of becoming your brother. And you know, and they say some of them come back to me and they're like, if I would have just met you on line, I'd never want to want to talk to you. You know, because online, you just say some hateful things. I say, well, what did I say? And they'll say, Oh, you said that diversity is conformity. Equity is unfair. And inclusion is exclusion. I said, well, that's not hate. That's the truth.

52:36And they just look at me like, okay, because they know it is the truth. You know, and it's loving to tell someone the truth, right? Exactly. Because you know, it's like with a parent and a child, you know, I always tell our, my boys, that your parents, besides God, your parents want the very best for you. So we're going to tell you the truth. Yeah. You know, if I sugarcoded to my kids, I mean, I can say it in a mean way, but, but saying it, you know, truth and love, that that's you do that because you'll risk that person not liking you. The people now who are just buying into all this, they just want people to like them. They don't want to be controversial. They don't want to say it's going to ruin their popularity. And instead, the person who loves you is going to risk you getting mad at them to tell them the truth. And so I think, again, that's going back to the character of Jesus. Like you said, people, they might know some characteristics of Jesus, but they don't know all of them. And they definitely don't know the character of Jesus. And then it, and I didn't get this either for my early part of my life that,

53:36you know, we have to, we, we have brought Jesus down so much to make him relatable that we forget that he's holy. Amen. That God is holy. And that, yeah, we aren't children of God. We're not born that way. We, we, but we all can become children of God. Amen. And that's the thing too, is like we put him in a box. Yeah. You know, we, we try to humanize God because, and, and that's though, that's like, that's the whole point of, of being born into sin and shape to the nicotine, right? Is that we, we live our lives where, where, where our, we are our own God of our own universe. It's, it's me, me, me, I, I, I, it's, I know best. I have this, I've got this. You know, and we don't, and so some people come to know him, I think, or come to the recognition and don't want to surrender their, the reins. And so I think those are the ones that go out and

54:42preach the false gospel, the false doctrine of, you know, Jesus loves us all and we're all God's children. And because they don't want to, to hand over the reins of their own lives. And it's like, I've hear so many people all the time, they're like, Oh, well, I have a personal relationship with God. And, you know, and I look at them and I'm like, well, if you have a personal relationship with God, then you'd probably have created your own God. You know, and you probably don't know the God of Jacob, Isaac and, and, and, and Abraham. And they're like, what do you mean? And I say, you know, all of our lives, we are our own God. It's, it's all about us. It's, it's personal, right? It's personal. All of our lives. And we come into the, into the fold, we become a very small intricate, but very vital part of a great big body. So it's no longer personal. Now it's intimate.

55:44Now we have an intimate relationship. God, because that's the, that's the one thing that he desires from us the most is an intimate relationship. And I think that that's why the devil has, has completely destroyed intimacy when you go to the mall, what do you see? Intimate apparel, right? I mean, it's just like, there's too much to it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, David and Michelle, unfortunately, very unfortunately, we have come to the end of our program. There's so much more to be unpacked here, but time constraints are what they are. So, David, why don't you take a 20 seconds to tell listeners about I belong a men.com? Sure. The website I belong amen.com. Just go on, check out the residue under books. Check out the residue book. It's on Amazon on Kendall. You can also email me and get it through our website. So it's, I think, it's really important. I think it's vital for, for all of us to actually discover our true identity

56:51in Jesus the Christ as intended by the Father. So, uh, and, and any questions, of course, just always feel free. I answer my own emails and I do get back to you. Thank you, both Michelle and David. Thank you so much for being a part of this fascinating conversation. listeners, thank you for being with us. And, uh, please take the time to reach out to David. If you want to have a more in-depth private conversation, he's a very gracious person and will be glad and I know who will respond. They get a great day.