The "Be Kind" Takeover: How We Were Silenced | Anita Bartholomew

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You know, you're a gay guy. You don't want to go out with a woman, but she's dressed like a man.

She's taken testosterone, so she's got a beard.

That should be good enough for you, and if you don't agree with that, then you are a genital bigot.

My feeling is that, yeah, anybody can be into anything, but once you take sex out of the bedroom and into public,

and you demand that everybody not only accept but celebrate your fetishes,

then you really remake society, and this is what Wayfair's actual goal is to remake societies.

So a bunch of crazy people make rules, but why did anybody else defer to them?

Like, I've never understood that.

That is the big question, isn't it?

I think that should give us courage, exposure to other people's perspectives, moving us in a good direction.

How did our institutions become captured by queer theory?

Well, we started off in academia where it was just rampant.

And all those kids graduated, and they found out, into media, into mental health, into medicine, into the nonprofits,

and they just took that idea with them, and before you know it, especially with media being captured, we were captured.

We were brainwashed. The entire Western civilization, actually, a half of us were brainwashed into believing this insane, really bizarre ideology that if we thought for a second would realize, have no basis, in fact.

Okay, so the ideology, among the ideology, the suite of ideologies we're talking about is queer theory.

What's a good definition? Like, how could you explain queer theory to somebody who's intelligent, but not knowledgeable?

All right, queer theory. Actually, I think the mother of queer theory is Gil Rubin.

She wrote an essay called Thinking Sex, and in it, she lamented all the poor, I call them sexual deviants, who were being cast out of society, and how, you know, we are now accepting gay people, and so why not the boy lovers?

You know, why not the people who would rather fuck a dog? Sorry, but that's basically her premise, but because she couched it in these social justice terms, somehow it took off.

So the idea is we've extended the umbrella of rights to animals, to minorities, to homosexuals. Now we need to extend it to people who want to fuck dogs, and who are minor-tracked persons, in other words, pedophiles.

Yes. So, and of course, transsexuals at the time, transgender was known as transsexual, and so that was kind of the leading edge,

and that's what we see most now. We see men who claim they're women, and then of course we had the researchers getting on board and saying, well, yeah, there's this feminine essence, and the guy is, he's got a guy's body, but really he's got a woman's brain, which was nonsense.

And Ray Blanchard, who, you know, coined the term auto-guinephobia, actually addressed this by saying, well, these guys don't have a feminine essence. They don't have female brains, most of them are heterosexual, and most of them are just fantasizing as they masturbate about having women's body parts.

And, you know, sometimes the fantasies are a little weird, like one guy gets an erection every time somebody calls a man when he's dressed up as a woman.

So, what's, you know, I'm just being totally sincere about this. What's wrong with that? I mean, different people have different kinks, and different people are into different things, and so what's, they're not going into...

You know, my feeling is that, yeah, anybody can be into anything, but once you take sex out of the bedroom and into public, and you demand that everybody not only accept but celebrate your fetishes, then you really remake society, and this is what queer theories actual goal is to remake society.

So, the cis-normative way of structuring our society is now contemptible according to queer theories, and you want to embrace everything, so you make a man the woman of the year.

You pass laws that say if you call a man a man, you are going to be fined, in some cases, New York City has a law where if you misgender someone in a business situation, you can be fined.

Colorado just passed a law about misgendering.

San Francisco has misgendering regulations, but in other countries, because again, this is Western civilization, you can actually go to prison.

So, this is the problem. It's not what you do in your private life. It's that you are demanding that everybody participate in your fantasy and share in your fantasy, and so it's really remaking society.

It's not just somebody doing his thing. I mean, who cares if a guy is wearing a dress, right? Where would have you want?

Exactly. So, when you said they want to make heteronormativity, contemptible, heterosexuality, or monogamy, or male-female relationships, if there's no standard by which these things can be judged, then why would that be contemptible?

That would just be another way of being a world-sexual.

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Because that actually has become part of queer theory. I mean, I'm sure you've heard, and part of the culture, you've heard of transbians, I'm sure.

Okay, so these are men who are heterosexual, but they now call themselves lesbians, and they demand to have sexual lesbians.

And if you don't agree to go out with them, then you're transphobic.

So, you know, they also claim that there is no such thing as heterol, or gay sex. It's all just everything is everything, you know?

No, what do you mean?

Oh, so if you're a gay guy, well, no, you can't just be a gay guy. You have to be willing to go out with trans men, who are women, of course.

So, you know, you're a gay guy, you don't want to go out with a woman, but she's dressed like a man, she's taken testosterone, so she's got a beard.

That should be good enough for you, and if you don't agree with that, then you are a genital bigot.

A genital bigot?

Right, this is, you know, it's no longer a matter of being gay or straight. It's just whatever is, whatever we consider normal, and you know, I think we consider gay or straight pretty normal.

That's now contemptible. It's really against the rules to have those limitations on your sexual desires.

I don't understand, like, so a bunch of crazy people make rules, but why does anybody else defer to them? Like I've never understood that.

That's the big question, isn't it? So, so you've heard the words be kind, and we are told if you don't go along with these rules, then you're not being kind.

And if you are not going along with these rules, you're a bigot, you're a transphobia, and it's amazing how easily we're manipulated by these words. Nobody wants to be called a bigot.

And so, people acquiesce. I am astounded by it. I am continually astounded by it. But if you, you know, you look on social media, you'll see tons of people calling people bigots for, you know, not wanting to have sex with them if they are transgender.

If a guy is a homosexual, a biological male, a natal male is born with penis, is a homosexual, and he doesn't want to have sex with a woman, a natal female, someone born, a natal, you know, born with vagina.

It's hard to be so explicit, but then that makes him a general bigot. And if that's the case, then there's no such thing as being gay.

Exactly, exactly. And this is all queer theory. There's no such sex. They used to say gender as a social construct, right? But really, they've expanded it to now sex is a social construct.

I mean, if you've ever had a cat in heat, tell me sex is a social construct. It's sex is real. We feel real things with our real bodies.

These are not things we make up in our head. But kids are just immersed in this in college. You look at Harvard now has, has courses. And I think that graduate courses too, in drag.

This, this is not just a matter of a few people who want to do something different. And because we're a tolerant society, we left them. This is a matter of an intolerant authoritarian ideology that says everybody must do what we want them to do.

This is kind of like call poppers tolerance paradox, where if you are tolerant of the intolerant, then eventually they won't tolerate you. And you know, I'm, I'm mangling popper, but you get the idea.

There is a, there is a desire, I think, in all liberals. And I'm certainly a liberal or at least before they change what the meaning is. And now I don't even know what people who call themselves livable leave.

But there's a desire to be tolerant of others, to say, live and let live. Let's, you know, let's just you do your thing and I'll do mine.

But when you get into people who want to change the culture, they don't want to live and let live. They want the culture to revolve around their desires. And you have to go along or you get canceled.

So, because I know someone's thinking this, so I'm going to ask you the question, what is the problem with a small group of people, maybe you want to say ideologues, determining how other people should live their lives?

Like why? I mean, maybe it's not that much of a problem at all because we've certainly tolerated it and bowed to it for the last decade.

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Certainly the last five years, so people went along with it so they must like it. They must like, as Eric Croms said, people don't want the freedom to choose. They want the freedom from choice.

So why not let these people dominate and dictate everything and then we can be happy?

Yeah, well, I'm sure that the Scientologists would like us to go along with everything they desire. I'm sure that the Taliban would love it if they could spread their ideology everywhere.

But one of the beauties of this society, and I always say in the US the best thing about our culture, our government, our way of life is we have a first amendment.

So we get to say what we want. We get to think what we want. We get to write what we want.

And that right, all those rights are being eroded. I don't want to live under a situation where I am told what to think, what to say.

And I'm certainly not going to be willing to sacrifice children to this ideology.

But in our respect, again, the whole society is bowed to this certainly in the last five years and arguably in the last 10.

So maybe we want to live like this. We want to do like this.

Well, no, but I mean the minority of the minority. I mean, I thought back and there was hell to pay for it.

But and I still fight back every day. But I am again in the minority of the minority because almost nobody spoke up.

There's nobody said anything. We all bowed and deferred. So maybe people really want to live like this.

They want to mutilate children's genitals and they want, I mean, now that they don't want to, you know, if there's a recent poll and I think it was, I think it was you go.

And it showed that there is only a majority of people who are on board with trans ideology with maybe three things.

And not that the majority is against, but there's this enormous undecided chunk.

So you have, I think they want to allow transgender identified people to serve in the military.

They want hate crimes to be covered hate crimes.

And there was one other thing that I can't remember. But and everything else, there's not a majority.

As a matter of fact, there are majority against giving puberty blockers to kids. There's a majority against putting males in competition with women and girls.

There's a majority against allowing males to share locker rooms and toilets.

But then there's this huge chunk of undecided. And I've never seen a poll like this before where you've got like 20, 23% on an every question undecided, which says to me that people are figuring out that they don't want this, but they're getting queasy.

They're questioning because remember, our media has been telling us how wonderful all this is for so many years. And we have been cowed by it because everyone says, you know, this is the right way.

And if you're not on board, you're a bigot. People are starting to figure it out. And I really do think that this is, this has already peaked and it's on its way down. And those undecided people are persuadable people. They just need more information.

So is it that people believe two things. First is that people believe this because they're starting from faulty premises like that they've bowed to queer theory because their initial assumptions are incorrect. And then I'm going to ask you to follow up.

So what are the assumptions they have that are wrong that if they only knew kind of the fact of them or the truth about something, they wouldn't believe it.

Okay. The first thing is that there is such a thing as a transgender person. They have been taught to believe that some people are just born in the wrong bodies, right?

If you think about that for a moment, how is that possible? How can you be born in the wrong body? You only get one body, right?

But second, they are not told what this really means in terms of the adult males who are the face of this movement.

And as we've spoken about that is they are primarily heterosexual males who imagine in the case of autogynophiles that they have female body parts and they masturbate to that fantasy.

And then there are transvestic fetishists who don't imagine that they have female body parts but have kind of been given a Christmas present where they can parade their fetishes in public.

And they get to go into any place that a woman might be undressing, any place where they are normally not allowed just by saying, hey, I'm a woman.

So I have a very good friend of mine who's trans. He's not a gonophile. And in candid conversations with him, he'll tell me like, yes, he is a heterosexual and he's married.

And obviously his wife knows about this. It's not a secret or anything.

But I don't understand. So let's assume that he's being completely sincere with me and I have no reason to believe that he's lying very close friend of mine.

If you believe that gender is a spectrum, then at one end of the extreme spectrum, you must have this.

I don't believe gender is a spectrum.

You don't believe gender is, but do you believe that there are certain women who are more masculine and certain men who are more feminine?

Of course.

Of course.

I believe that we have any number of ways of expressing our womanhood or manhood.

And I think the big problem and one of the big problems is that and feminists are going to hate me for this.

But I don't consider myself a feminist because I don't call myself any kind of person to say everything's an ideal ideology anyway.

But feminists made this big deal about, oh, gender is something you perform and sex is violent.

Does a peacock when he fans out his feathers say, I'm performing gender? No, this is part of his being.

We have so many ways of expressing ourselves.

And if we're on the gay end, we're probably, you know, if we're female, we're going to look a little more masculine, we're going to adopt masculine styles.

But we're still female.

I mean, I can talk.

But that's different though.

That's different from saying, you know, like my daughter wouldn't be caught dead in a dress.

She's gay.

And she wears, you know, pants and I don't even think I've ever seen her in shorts maybe.

But anyway, so the way that people manifest their identity, one way to their clothing.

And so wouldn't that be indicative of the fact that there is a kind of spectrum?

Like some people just perform more masculine in more masculine ways. They dress in more masculine ways.

They act in more masculine ways.

I would say that this is just another way, you know, people dress the way they feel comfortable.

And a woman who is attracted to other women in my view is going to dress in a way that, I think instinctively,

we feel is going to attract the sex that we're interested in having sex with.

When you look at little children, and this is a very interesting thing.

Little children who are inclined to call themselves the wrong gender or wrong sex when they're little.

And who like, say a boy likes Barbie dolls or a girl likes trucks.

Very often they grow up to be gay.

Now, they're not performing gender as little children.

They are being instinctually what they are going to grow up to be.

And I think this is a very natural thing. This is not a performance. This is part of who we are.

But when you talk about the spectrum of gender, you're kind of saying only if you're this stereotype.

Are you really a man? Or are you really a woman? And otherwise you're something else.

That's insane. You're a man. I'm a woman. That's it.

We get an enormous way, an enormous amount of options to be either men or women.

We are not limited to being just, you know, Barbie dolls in G.I. Joe's.

Which, by the way, is how one of these school presentations show how to determine what gender you are.

If you're Barbie, you're a girl. If you're G.I. Joe, you're a boy. And if you're not, then you're some in between gender.

Okay. So we talked a little bit about auto-gonna-fart failure. I want to get back to that.

I know. So when you say a man or a woman, now I know a man who suffers from micro-fals syndrome. Do you know what that is?

His penis when it's fully erected.

Yeah. It's not even an inch. The poor bastard.

Sorry, I'm not going to name names, but he's a very close personal friend of mine.

You would still consider this man a man.

Of course. He's a man.

And you would still consider someone with small breasts, a woman with small breasts or big breasts, a woman.

Of course. What else are they?

Well, I'm asking you because, you know, I can't remember the technical name for it.

There's a medical name. It's elusive now.

The man with a micro penis who's morbidly obese, who has breasts as fat deposits.

I can't remember what those breasts are called. You would still consider this person.

Yeah, that's a dynomastic.

Dynomastic, that's it. You would still consider this person a man.

Of course.

I mean, we have in every cell in our body that has a nucleus, we have the genetic code for male or female.

That's it.

Okay.

You don't get to be an in between sex.

Think of it this way. You have children.

I have two children. I am a father.

Because I know.

You contributed your DNA, your wife or your partner contributed hers together.

That's not true.

No.

No, because my daughter's adopted.

Okay. So whoever.

So someone contributed sperm, someone contributed ex.

Yes.

Male, female.

If there are more sexes than that, then there ought to be more gametes, right?

There ought to be, you know, well, who's going to contribute that third gamete that makes for this third sex?

There's only male and female. That's it.

Okay. I just had a long conversation with Colin Wright that we'll publish in a couple of months about that.

Who's, I don't know, are you familiar with Colin's work?

Oh, yeah, sure.

Colin is absolutely, absolutely fantastic.

Of course, no one will have a conversation or debate him who disagrees on this issue.

You mentioned something before that was interesting.

And I have a position on this, but I'll keep my cards for the moment close to my chest.

You said that most Americans agree that trans people should be allowed to serve their country in the military.

That seems like a pretty good idea to me.

I mean, is there a, do you have a problem with that?

I, I didn't until I heard a soldier talking about the problems that they had with transgender people in the military.

And I'd forgotten, you know, it just didn't occur to me.

Well, of course, they're lifelong patients.

So they're not able to serve as another person is able to serve.

And if you, if you have to have your estrogen or you have to have your testosterone,

or you're, you've developed problems with osteoporosis.

So you have heart disease, you have liver disease, you've got autoimmune disease.

You really have a patient population instead of ready to fight population.

Now, I'm not big on the military at all.

So, you know, I would rather we were peaceful.

But if we're going to have a military and it, as Hegsit says,

this is a fighting force and they have to be war ready,

then unfortunately, people who have put themselves through these medical and surgical procedures

are just not going to be taking just jobs.

They can have just jobs, but what's the problem with that?

Yeah, but if you're, you know, if you're going to have, if you're going to have

is the criteria they meet certain physical requirements,

which everybody going into the military does have to meet, then they can man drones.

I can see the, I can see the point of, of dismissing people who can't.

But they can man drones, right?

Yeah, I wish we didn't have drones.

I mean, I also, you know, I see the same in our police force.

If we have big chunky guys who can't run down a criminal, then, yeah,

they can have desk jobs too, but how many desk jockies do we need in the police force in the military?

How many trans people are there?

I don't know, actually.

Apparently there were a great deal more than I thought there were when Trump put out his executive order

and a whole lot of them came forward and said, wait a minute, you know, I want to keep serving.

So, you know, I'm not, I'm not 100% one way or the other on this, but I see the point.

I see the point where if you are not physically capable, then I can understand that

you don't want to set a precedent for just a whole military full of desk jockies.

Well, that would be the same thing with anything if you're not physically capable.

But if you are physically capable, it would seem to me to be ranked discrimination against trans people

to not allow them to serve their country.

I see your point, but I think that the other point is a little bit stronger.

I think you can serve your country in other ways.

Besides going into the military.

Yeah.

You can get a government job that doesn't require you to be physically ready to do the kind of work that a soldier is expected to do.

And, you know, I, I recall that this wasn't just about trans people that hexet even said to the admirals and generals get your bodies in shape.

Now, they're not going out and fight, but they're the symbol of the military aren't they?

So I can see that a physically fit military makes sense.

Yeah.

And I'm not a strong believer in this one way or the other, but I understand the point and I think it's valid.

Yeah.

So, you know, I'm a big believer in merit myself and I'm a big believer in competence hierarchies.

And if somebody is trans and they can, a trans man and they can do the PFT, you know, the physical fitness test with the running and the pushups, the chinups, whatever.

So whatever, whatever the criteria should be, if they pass that and you say, no, you can't serve, it does seem like ranked bias and discrimination because once you say that you're in favor of meritocracy.

You can't then pick and choose because you don't like someone's exogenous characteristics.

Like if it's merit, if it's a meritocracy, it's just a meritocracy.

If it guys a midget or it doesn't matter what to get you.

If a person is overweight and they can do the PFT and they fit all the qualifications, well, I mean, you, it would seem to me to be contradictory and deny the very thing that one would try to support, which would be the meritocracy.

And I would disagree. I think that you have certain cutoff points and you say that this person, anyone who's taking cross sex hormones is kind of a walking time bomb.

And then when they can't perform, you just remove them from the battlefield.

Yeah, you can do that. There are different ways you can do that.

But I can see, I can see the point of you, you have a cutoff.

So if somebody has diabetes, say, you might decide, no, they can't serve.

Now, maybe it doesn't affect them at all and they've got it under control and they've got their insulin or they've got their, their metformin.

But you don't know that. And so you set this particular requirement that, no, you can't serve if you have diabetes.

It's just to be, you can't serve if you have flat feet, right?

So I don't have a problem with making a decision about someone's physical characteristics on a blanket group basis rather than a person by person basis.

Well, you seem to be person by person.

Yeah, I don't really, I don't really have a problem with setting a physical requirement on serving.

And especially if we have a situation where then we don't have any requirements, everybody can serve.

And we have nobody or we have far fewer people who are ready to serve as actual soldiers.

Okay. All right. So you have written a, a book on this topic.

Tell me about your book. What is the thesis of your book?

Well, it is about, again, how all our institutions became captured about how all of us became indoctrinated.

And with just two little words, be kind. And how we, because we let down our guard, let down our boundaries believed in this really nonsense ideology that you can change sets.

We didn't see the danger when they decided they were going to teach this to kids that they were going to indoctrinate children into believing that they could be another sex.

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And so now we see in the latest CDC survey of children in high school that 3.3 percent claim their trans and 2.2 percent think they might be.

This might not sound like a bad thing if all they're doing is thinking.

But what happens is that they demand puberty blockers, they demand hormones, they demand surgeries.

And I have so many stories in the book about how this is broken off families.

There was one child who was told by her teacher was just, you know, adored by her teacher and taken under her wing.

And she was 10 years old and she said, well, you know, I don't like wearing dresses and the teacher said, well, maybe that means you're not a girl.

Maybe you're a boy.

The little girl wanted the teacher's attention.

And so eventually she said, OK, you know, I'm a boy. Call me Felix.

The teacher immediately said, OK, all the students in this class, you may not tell anybody outside of this class and that includes your parents.

That Maya is now Felix.

So all the little kids are now lying to their parents, right?

And eventually Maya said, well, you know, she told her mother and father what was happening.

The parents tried to cut off this relationship with the teacher.

They kept the child out of school.

The teacher kept contacting the child by email, by text.

And finally said, well, you know, if you need a safe place, you can come stay with me.

So this is the kind of thing that's going on where you have.

That's super creepy.

You've been indoctrinated.

That's super creepy.

It's super creepy, but it's not super unusual.

And a friend of mine the other day said, well, you mean to say that that lovely teacher that my wife is helping out in school.

She's indoctrinating kids.

Well, I don't know that she is particularly, but all these, these teachers, these young teachers have been indoctrinated.

And they come into school with this belief that first of all that queer is good.

That cis normative is not that children should be introduced to sex as early as possible.

So you have the comprehensive sex education standards that say that children as early as kindergarten should be taught about sex.

That in first grade, they should be taught about touching their genitals and what their genitals are called and, you know, and that it feels good and, you know, just doing private super creepy.

So this is, yes, this is exceptionally creepy stuff.

And the interesting thing is that there was, there was a teacher in, I think it was New York.

A very posh private school who had been teaching this for a number of years.

And some parents got wind of it because she showed this animated film of naked boy and naked girl and they were talking about touching their penis and their clitoris together.

And the New York Times raced her defense when she was, she was fired saying, well, but these are the who standards.

These are the comprehensive sexual, at-ality education standards.

So of course she's not doing anything wrong.

You know, we've got all these authorities who are telling us that these are good things when we know instinctively, like you say, super creepy, right?

Okay, so what is the response from that?

I read a piece, an ethnography years ago about somebody who was in Vietnam.

And in Vietnam, evidently at the time, lots and lots of people lived in a single room.

And the parents would have sex in the room with all the kids in the room.

Like, isn't, are you, are you making a universal claim that kids shouldn't learn about this stuff at all?

Or is it just specific to the United States or what kind of claim is this?

I think that, you know, in different cultures, people learn different things.

And certainly on farms, kids see animals copulating, right?

There's a difference between that and just being exposed to sex and being told here, go touch yourself here.

You know, there, there, there's just a real difference between advocating for children to be involved in sex and also with adults talking to five and six year olds about sex and what, you know, what they should be doing.

I mean, I don't know about you, but if this had happened to my kid when he was younger, I would have called the cops.

This is not a teacher's role. A teacher is supposed to teach many things, but touching your penis isn't one of them.

And just as there are standards of care and medicine, are there not comprehensive universal sex guidelines for sexual education?

See, now that is their universal no, but they, the, the queer base, the queer theory based comprehensive sexuality education standards are being adopted by some states and some cities.

And we're, they're actually written into law, I think in Oregon and a few other places.

But everywhere you go, you will see these, you know, the gender nonsense in sex education. And they call it sexuality education now.

So there, you might have heard about the prep sex ed where it's designed, it's funded by the, the health, health education department to teach children to avoid pregnancy, STDs and HIV.

Sounds like a good idea.

It's a great idea, right? It's a very good thing to teach kids to avoid these things.

So how is it that 44 of the 50 states included gender ideology in this 44?

So in between saying, you know, where a condom, be mindful, it's a, you might be some, some gender, you're not. And you have to be able to identify the different genders, whatever they are.

So is, is your argument that you have no problem with teaching kids how to avoid these things, but it's bundled with gender ideology and right.

So what is kids have learned these things? Okay, so what is you don't want your kid to get pregnant or get an STD?

Well, of course not. Kids will be sexual.

No, of course not. So what, how do you define gender ideology?

Nonsense.

Gender ideology has just no basis in anything.

What is it? We could say the same about most religions, like, but what is it?

Well, gender ideology tells you that gender is something different from sex, that you have this idea in your head about being a boy when you're a girl, a girl when you're a boy, some combination of the two or neither.

You know sex at all. And that takes precedence in gender ideology over your actual sex.

That is nuts. We are the sex. We are. We have bodies.

We don't have these different, you know, in between sexes, but even if you were to think that that was an okay thing, we are giving this gender ideology precedence over sex so that a man again can walk into any locker room with women and say I'm a woman.

So sex and myology, denialism.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So how do you respond to the idea, the postmodern idea that well, you have biology, but I have queer theory?

Yeah, I just see it as, okay, you know, why don't you say I have biology, but, you know, but I consider myself a unicorn.

How do you just prove that? How do you prove? You know, I mean unicorn in my head.

Okay, but why should, when you say how do you just prove that that's buying into the paradigm of science, a falsification?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So why not just buy into my own paradigm, the thing that makes me feel good? Like why should your science trump my feelings?

Well, you can feel whatever you want to feel, and I'm sure we all have feelings that we can't prove our real.

We have the least that we can't approve a real, but we don't try to impose those, or at least I hope we don't.

Most of us don't on everyone else.

So I have ideas that you won't share, and I won't impose those ideas on you.

But science does that. That's what science does.

Science what imposes ideas? Well, science helps us to figure out how to be less wrong more often.

That's a way of imposing ideas. That's a way that's a kind of imposition, a hegemonic imposition on one's cognitions and physical life. No.

You can reject the ideas, but you know, if you're an airline pilot, I hope that you go along with the ideas about how a plane can fly.

So yeah, there are certainly ideas that we can accept or reject, and in our personal lives, as long as we don't impose those ideas on anyone else, it's not going to hurt anything.

You know, if I believe I'm a draft, that's fine.

It doesn't affect you. If I go to a doctor and say, you got to elongate my neck.

There's a whole there's a whole cascade of issues.

But wait a second. We science does that all the time. I mean, for example, seatbelt laws. As far as I know, there are seatbelt laws in probably all 50 states.

I don't know, but certainly most states, but they, that's a physical imposition on us based upon the data about what we know about seatbelts.

So we use science and the fruits of science to make physical impositions on us. So this is, it isn't just a preference what we choose to impose on us.

And you're choosing to impose science and then somebody else is choosing to impose generality.

Well, you can reject the science about your seatbelt. And I think a lot of people did, which is why they brought in the airbag necessity, right?

A lot of people don't wear seatbelts and they risk the ticket if they're, if they're in a municipality that hands them out.

It's an example of how science imposes upon itself. And so we all choose. So if something is going to impose upon us,

you're sitting here telling me that science and biology should impose on us. And someone else is telling me that gender ideology should impose upon us.

So why should we have your imposition rather?

It could, it may be a better example.

Yeah, so let's say that I want to impose on you. So there are laws that gets in California about plastic straws.

And so the ideas that we want to reduce plastic in the ocean and microplastics and among other things.

So leaving aside whether or not we think plastic straws are good or not, ostensibly there's some science behind it. Again, I'm not, I know nothing about, I'm not a scientist, so I don't know.

But the larger idea is that we have some people who want to queer everything, heteronormativity, ableism, et cetera.

And we have other people who want to teach science, even the very idea of teaching science in the classroom is in imposition.

Really? Why?

Because it imposes you would have to teach something in the classroom, right? That's the idea of decolonization. You want to decolonize the curriculum.

So why is it that we teach these western ways of knowing as opposed to indigenous ways of knowing?

Well, if you want to go live in the forest, go ahead and then we won't need the western ways of knowing, right?

We can forage for our food and we can get all the diseases that we might get from not having all the medicine we can have.

We want to wear a dress and parade around in women's locker rooms and then go into women's toilets.

If I want to do that, then science is not the best way for me to accomplish that, gender ideology is.

Yes, and that's the problem, because I don't want you and my women's room.

Right, but it's only a problem if you accept the basic premise that you don't.

If you're somebody who thinks it's a great idea, then that's what you would choose.

So I mean, that's the postmodern condition, right? That's the idea that everything is a men and narrative.

You have your men and narrative of science. Someone else says they're men and narrative of religion.

Someone else says they're men and narrative of gender ideology and queer theory.

But there's really no way to adjudicate among those things. There's no, but whatever is in power at the time, that has dominion and jurisdiction over and dominance over the other men and narratives.

Okay, so let's say we accept all that, right? That it's all a men and narrative.

Yes.

We as a society have chosen our culture and most of us like it pretty much the way it is.

And so just assume that this is all correct. The post-mountainism is absolutely correct and you're choosing your narrative and I'm choosing mine.

I'm still going to vote for my culture and, you know, the hell with your postmodern, modern, queer theory.

Because we do, we do build a culture. We don't start with, you know, like tomorrow going to tear everything down and start fresh and just impose something else.

You're familiar with Chesterson's fence, right?

Explain that for us.

Okay, so Chesterson, sorry, mangling his name, wrote a book called I think a Coke of Thing, 1927 or so.

And Catholic guy said, Guy comes across a fence in the field, has no apparent purpose.

He says, well, let's tear it down then. And Chesterson says, well, wait a minute, just because you don't know there's a purpose doesn't mean that there isn't one.

So I will agree to let you tear down that fence only if you can tell me what the purpose is.

And what we've been doing is saying, oh, all these fences, we don't like them. Let's tear them all down.

Without knowing why they're there, without knowing how our culture has built up all these boundaries and fences to defend what the culture is that we have and we enjoy.

Of course, you can do that.

You can change the culture entirely. I mean, look at what the Taliban did. They changed the culture entirely. And they're very happy with it, but I'm sure the women aren't.

So we have to be very careful about what we decide we want to tear down.

What are we letting through from the other side?

And what do you think queer theory lets through? What do you think gender ideology lets through?

Well, we see what it's letting through.

We are deciding that it's okay to take an eight-year-old and we're talking about little girls can go through puberty as young as eight.

Little boys can go through puberty as young as nine.

Now, these are children who believe in Santa Claus at that point or the Easter Bunny or the tooth fairy.

And they also, again, as we spoke of before, if they are going to grow up to be gay, they also may have a little confusion about what sex they are.

The little girl might want to play with a truck, the little boy might enjoy barbies and wearing pink.

In our culture today with this queer theory overlay, they are being told, oh, well, you're not the sex you are.

But don't worry. Before you go through the wrong puberty, we can stop it.

And so they give these kids these horrendous drugs.

They don't just stop puberty that we can see. They don't just stop the hair growth and the growth spread.

They stop brain development.

They stop skeletal development.

There is a case history that shows that one child who was put on a puberty blocker at a very young age for precocious puberty, which happens, you know, maybe five, six years old, lost 10 IQ points.

There are children who have gotten osteoporosis.

If you never go through puberty, we have no idea really what we're doing to these children.

Okay. Okay. So there are many consequences to believing that we can just, you know, take bodies and manipulate them and change them into something else because we have this idea that that that's a good thing that nobody's really the sex they are.

So let's let's change it or let's stop it.

Have you just did a read and I just did an event with billboard Chris a little while ago, and I asked him this question.

And if you're interested, I'll tell you his answer. Have you heard what are the best arguments against your position you heard?

The best argument I've heard is probably no argument at all. It's from a friend whose gay son transitioned and he said, well, she's happy now, but I have met too many people who went through the honeymoon period of transition.

And it takes a few years to suddenly realize, oh my god, I'm living a lie and I've destroyed my body. So I don't think they're, you know, I.

Is there a good argument? I can't think of one.

Okay. Have you attempted to have conversations with anybody you disagree with on this?

Oh, of course. Like my friend. Well, I mean, let me rephrase that. I mean, have you attempted to have any conversations with people who are in some kind of position of authority written books on this W path in particular?

Have you attempted to have conversations with with those people now that especially now that you're an author?

No, I have not reached out to W path because it's like saying, have you reached out to the Taliban to get their position? And maybe it would be interesting, but my interest was more in protecting children from these people.

And it's like saying, have you asked the madman why, why he thinks his madness is, is a good idea.

Interesting. Okay. Two more quick questions. Do you want to ask me any questions? Is there anything you want to ask me?

Well, I haven't really thought about. Let me give, let me give it a second, a second to think and ask me another question.

Is there anything I should have asked you that I didn't ask you?

I think that there are things that we could have talked about and they're, they're the issues of regret in the people who I've met who are detransitioners who were just gung ho about, oh, this is the best thing I am going to do this and I'm going to be happy.

There's this woman I interviewed called Claire, she discovered not until she was in college that there was this thing called trans ideology, she came from a very conservative Christian background, so she's in college and takes a gender studies class and they talk about jazz Jennings and everything and she's bisexual and she thinks to herself, gee, life would be so much easier if I were a man.

So she goes through first the testosterone, then she has her breasts amputated, then she has the maturity plastic and she's never really happy with any of these things, but she thinks, oh, well, you know, when I get through my journey, that's when I'm going to be happy, that's when I'll reach my goal and everything will be great.

And finally has a fallow plastic, which you know is a pretty horrendous operation. In her case, they took the flesh from her thigh instead of the arm.

So she's done that and there's nothing more to do. She's gone through all the procedures and she wakes up one day and she says, oh, if only I could take it all back.

And of course, everything that she had done until that point was considered medically necessary because of all the propaganda and the capture of the medical profession.

So everything's covered by insurance. She would like at this point to at least maybe get breast implants, maybe get hair implants because she's of course going bald from the testosterone.

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And get those on her medical insurance because there's nothing for detransitioners. There's no insurance.

There aren't even insurance codes and you know you have to have a code in order to bill for it.

She wishes she could put her fallace back on her thigh because her thigh is permanently weakened.

This is something that people don't understand. There's a honeymoon period.

And especially with women testosterone acts almost like an antidepressant.

So if you are feeling low in depression, a lot of these people are going through these procedures because they have depression.

They have anxiety in addition to being autistic in addition to possibly being having internalized homophobia.

All these procedures are being done and the testosterone is acting like this antidepressant.

And then one day they turn around and it's usually like 8 to 10 years later. It's like what have I done?

It's too late to sue.

But they had a great run. No.

Didn't they have a great run and enjoy themselves for 8 to 10 years?

I think that it's an interesting question. I think they kept thinking they were less depressed. There's another woman.

Carol who said yes, I thought that everything was better. My life was better.

Let's be a woman. And she said my wife thought I had a brain tumor because testosterone, even though it gives you a boost in terms of your mood, can also bring on a great deal of aggression.

And we're not designed.

Our bodies are not designed to be pumped full of process hormones. And so they're going to have a lot of effects, not just physically, but mentally you're messing with your brain.

So she eventually transitioned to and she was also stuck with well, she's had a breast amputated everything that she thought she was going to get as a result of this.

These drugs and these procedures, it was all a lie. She nearly lost her family because when you're living a lie, when you're trying to pass, then you have to be very careful about what you do, what you say it's a very big strain on the family.

There are all kinds of issues going on. Now it's not to say that some people won't.

And especially I think the the autogynophiles who are living their best life because they're getting to go everywhere.

And humiliation might be part of the fun for a lot of them, according to Ray Blanchard.

And I think there's a lot of people who are feeling that autogynophiles have along with their autogynophilia more often than not is masochism.

So if you humiliate an autogynophile, that's another thrill. Whereas with the transvestic fetishes who we spoke about earlier, who do not have a gender identity disorder, who don't think they are women, who don't want to be women, and who generally don't have any of them.

They don't have any of the chemical or surgical interventions. They are more likely, I think 20% of them in one study admitted to child molestation.

That's what they're admitting to. 36% I think it was admitted to sexual exhibitionism.

You know, you're you've got a lot of stuff going on here that people who are just saying, oh, trans rights are human rights and oh protect trans women.

And they don't really see all the other stuff that's going on.

The two cases that you told me about I've been told and I've read this as well, but I just want to confirm with you.

Is it true that when you have bottom surgery, you can no longer have an orgasm?

That is well, I mean, what have you got?

There are a couple of things with orgasm and Marcy Bowers, who is one of the top victims, will say that if you've had puberty blockers and then you go on directly to cross sex hormones, you will never have an orgasm.

That is known. That's just like you're in orgasmic for life and this is when you start when you're 9, 10, 11 years old.

I mean, this is a horrible thing to do to the child.

But with an adult, there is of course reduced sexual function.

Your fallus isn't, you know, it's a piece of your thigh or your forearm.

How are you going to have an orgasm with that?

They do try to put the nerves from the clitoris at the end of the fallus or with the, with the, the neo vagina, they call it with the inverted penis.

They will try to maintain some sensitivity, but there's numbness involved.

So it's not 100% apparently, but it's certainly reduced sexual function.

So you're giving up very likely the pleasure of sex and the possibility of orgasm with sex for something that is just the look of some, of facsimile.

So then maybe I'm the spoke when I said they had a good run, maybe, or maybe they didn't have a good run, but not a great one.

I'm thinking a lot.

I have to take it as you were talking about before in the military case by case, we don't really know, we haven't interviewed everybody who's ever been through this.

And for some reason, there are some people who are so obsessed with this, that there's one fellow I spoke to who is not a guy in a file, really nice guy.

But he blew up two marriages and he, during the second marriage, he joined Scientology and for a long time, Scientology and adhering to very strict requirements of Scientology kept him from going forward with bottom surgery.

But eventually this compulsion just overtook him and it was more important than having a wife, than having a functioning penis or a functioning vagina or anything.

I mean, we don't really know what goes on in people's brains, right?

Like the guy that Mia Hughes was talking about who had his, you know, he dry eyes to his legs so he could amputate them.

How do we really understand that kind of compulsion?

Well, well, Anita, thank you very much for talking to me. What's the name of your book and where can people find it?

Thank you.

It's sacrificial lambs, a liberal reporter exposes how the progressive left harms children in the name of gender ideology. It's a very long subtitle.

And where can people find it?

It'll be on Amazon and Barnes and Noble and pretty much all the, any of the bookstores that you can order from probably anywhere you buy books.

Yeah, I should, and I should mention that I'm a magazine writer by trade is a role, although I've written several books, but I wrote for readers, I just for a couple of decades and thought for sure that a story about how children were being drawn into this would be a seriously interesting story for them.

And like most media, they just wouldn't cover it.

And this is the big, this is a big problem that now when, you know, going back, you asked whether there was something that you should ask me, our media is one of the biggest problems we have or our legacy media that if they just once started telling the truth about what's going on.

This would have been gone like before it began, but they've been promoting it like crazy. And when they don't promote it, they just pretend it doesn't exist. They just ignore it.

But most people get their information from what we call legacy media, whether TV radio or news like Wall Street Journal, New York Times, what at WAPO, and you'll see more often than not, they call all these horrible procedures like saving care.

They talk about legislation to ban it as anti-LGBTQ, when in fact, of course, it's not any of that. The LGB has nothing to do with it.

All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate talking to me.

And thank you. I really appreciate you're having me on my pleasure.