The Bear Case for Shared Security | S8 E8 | Sunny & Toghrul

In this episode, Sunny, the Co-founder of Osmosis, and Toghrul from Scroll joined us to present the bear case for shared security. We discussed issues with Proof of Stake, the relationship between slashing and enshrining an LST, and the market size for restaking. Finally, we provide our thoughts on the intersubjective work token, and staking’s potential impact on the L1. Thanks for tuning in! -- Resources Shared Security is a Psyop Speech: https://youtu.be/hdEEl3ixlfo?si=qkk89BaV6Q2krewQ -- Namada is the shielded asset hub rewarding you to protect the multichain. Enabling data protection for any existing asset, app, or chain, Namada introduces shielded cross-chain actions and rewards for shielding your assets, which strengthens data protection guarantees for everyone. Namada is currently in its mainnet launch phase — follow along on namada.net -- re.al is the permissionless L2 for tokenized RWAs built on Arbitrum Orbit, and the first L2 to return chain and protocol fees back to users, in the form of reETH, ensuring users benefit from ecosystem growth! re.al has just launched a fully-transparent rewards (points) program returning 10% of $RWA supply to early users. Not investment advice or product solicitation and not aimed at US persons.  Use the following code to get started: https://re.al/rewards/airdrop/O4UNU -- Join us at Permissionless III. Use code BELL10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii -- Follow Toghrul: https://x.com/toghrulmaharram Follow Sunny: https://x.com/sunnya97 Follow Myles: https://x.com/MylesOneil Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_ Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3R1D1D9 Subscribe on Apple: https://apple.co/3pQTfmD Subscribe on Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3cpKZXH -- Timestamps: (0:00) Introduction (2:42) The "Shared Security is a Psyop" Speech (9:10) Issues with Vanilla Proof of Stake (19:29) Namada Ad (20:28) Re.al Ad (21:27) Slashing vs Enshrining an LST (30:24) The Market Size for Restaking (44:17) How Can You Keep Apps Within the Ecosystem? (49:51) Thoughts on the Intersubjective Work Token (58:29) Restaking's Impact on the L1 (1:05:08) Outro -- Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.