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Mike & Jason look back at the previous day in sports, they so some Ask Us Anythings, plus the boys discuss the latest news around the Canucks with Donnie & Dhali's Rick Dhaliwal.
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It's Darcy Kemper, comes into Roger's arena, stops all 19 Vancouver shots.
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Chase for a playoff spot at the Pacific Division, they end their four game losing streak
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Good morning, Vancouver 6-0-1 on a Friday.
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Okay, to the guest list we go, it's the duic morning drive,
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It begins at 630 this morning.
Chris Peters, content manager from Flowhockey is going to join us.
The NCAA Men's Hockey Championship is underway.
His teams look to advance to the frozen for tonight.
In a prime time game on ESPN Dose, Gavin McKenna and Penn State
going to take on the hated Minnesota Duluth in opening round action.
We'll talk to Chris about that and look ahead to the NCAA.
Turn a little college hockey talk with Chris Peters at 630 7 o'clock.
AJ from AJ's pizza on East Broadway as Brough mentioned.
It is ask us anything Friday.
The best ask us anything gets a $100 gift card to AJ's today.
730 Dave Softy-Moller from KJR Sports Radio in Seattle.
Very exciting times for sports in Seattle.
You know what else I want to talk to about Dave is this millionaires tax
that they've got in Washington and how it's going to affect you and I.
Yeah, we'll go down there, right?
What do we do?
They're going to look at us and be like,
tax those guys, those guys are so rich.
But 100 air is rolling through here.
I know it's been a topic of discussion down there and people are wondering how it's
going to affect sports teams and athletes willingness to sign or stay in Seattle.
So aside from discussing tax brackets with Softy,
we will also discuss the Mariners who opened their MLB campaign yesterday.
The NBA coming back to Seattle.
That took another big step this week.
And hey, the Seattle crack in one big game yesterday.
Dave Softy-Moller, one of our favorites is going to join us at 730.
8 o'clock.
It's Rick Dollywall, intrepid Canucks reporter.
Donnie and Dolly on check TV.
Canucks lost last night for nothing to the LA Kings to finish off one of the worst
homestands in franchise history.
I don't know where it stacks up.
I did not do the research.
But I can say with some good authority that that was one of the worst homestands
in Canucks franchise history.
So with Rick, we will talk about the game.
We will talk about Adam Foote or many Melhotra behind the bench for the Vancouver Canucks.
And some other stuff as well.
I don't like to give it all away.
You do.
I told you not to.
And now you don't.
Oh, that's why I don't do it.
Right.
So Rick's going to join us at 8 o'clock this morning.
Reminder, it's asking something.
Friday, all that good stuff.
Not going to run it in reverse without further ado.
Laddie, let's tell everybody what happened.
Hey, did you guys see the game last night?
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What happened?
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I do want to say the most rare what happened ever happened this morning.
Laddie was almost late for the program.
Wow.
You slept in.
You are, laddie.
But basically, I'm usually the first one here.
But you guys never talk about that.
I was going to the one time you are the bedrock of this show.
When it comes to showing up on time,
when Laddie's consistent and thorough and diligent,
always the first one in the door.
What did you get that Chevy Volt up to on the highway coming in?
That's what I wanted you to talk about.
All the way from Ladner.
Perfectly legal, I'm sure.
So I don't want to be labor at this point.
But when I called you this morning,
I think you were still in a dream state.
Yes.
I think you said sorry, Dad.
At one point.
I just got to see it.
I don't want to get up for school.
Click.
Well, that Chevy Volt certainly did some work on the way in.
So concutos to you for getting it on time.
I'm just so excited for Jay's opening day.
Yeah, I can imagine.
Last night, the Vancouver Canucks, as mentioned,
finished off.
What might be the worst homestand in franchise history?
Darcy Kemper, 19 saves.
It was Trevor Moore and Quinten Byfield
with a goal and an assist to peace.
The Kings snapped the four-game losing streak.
The easiest way, everybody knows how.
That's by playing the Vancouver Canucks.
Four-nothing win in Vancouver.
They're Rodgers Arena on Thursday.
Yeah.
It was yet another home loss for the Canucks who fell to 825
and 5 at Rodgers Arena.
So there have been 38 games at Rodgers Arena this year.
Eight times the Canucks have won.
And the fans have been, yay, the Canucks.
It is one of the worst home records in frankly,
NHL history.
And I'll rob the hockey guy said it was the worst
home team of the last 30 years.
There's this site called Stat Muse.
And it's basically you can just query anything about sports stats.
And so I put in worst home records in NHL history by season.
And the Canucks are 20th.
Like, this includes the 1928-29 Chicago Blackhawks
and includes the expansion Senators,
the expansion Sharks.
Lest we forget the 1930-1931 Philadelphia Quakers.
Yeah.
Oh, the Quakers.
Is that one really about Capitals team on there?
Didn't they have a really awful scene?
Yes, 1974-75.
The Canucks are, I mean, they're not Quakers bad.
But they're pretty bad at home.
And last night was not a close game by any means
the King's dominated the Canucks.
Panaren was really dangerous on Coupittar's line.
I thought, I think it was the best game
I've ever seen Quentin Byfield play.
Obviously, try not to watch many King's games,
but he was really good last night.
By the end of the second period,
it was three nothing for the Kings on the scoreboard
and 31 to 12 on the shot clock.
Nobody played well for the Canucks.
They were all overmatched by a middling King's team
that's still on the outside of the playoff pictures.
So as you mentioned, the Canucks finished their eight-game home stand
with a two-and-six record.
They beat Nashville in the shootout
and took care of Florida in regulation.
Take that back.
Byfield, two-time defending champs
who definitely weren't trying
and were looking ahead to their game at Edmonton.
The other six games were regulation losses.
There's no real point in hammering away at the Canucks.
We all know they're a bad team.
Hopefully, this all leads to a better place in a few years
because it's pretty tough to watch right now.
And I expect it's going to be challenging
for a few more years.
At least next season, they might have a player
like Gavin McKenna in the lineup.
I remember the penguins the first year
they had Sidney Crosby.
They were awful.
But Sid was incredible.
The Oilers weren't...
Dick Tarnstrom was their leading scorer?
Yeah, Sid was the leading scorer.
When...
Oh, did he take over for Dick Tarnstrom?
Yeah, yeah, Tricky.
It looked on your points.
The Oilers weren't very good the first year
that had...
McDavid, either.
I guess the difference is that the penguins also had
Malkin coming
and the Oilers also had dry sidle coming.
Hopefully, in a couple of years,
the Canucks have a guy like Landon DuPont as well.
They're going to have to stay really bad for a few years
but the payoff can be worth it.
Nothing is guaranteed.
But it's the only path forward
when you're as asset pourers the Canucks.
You're not going to solve it in free agency.
They can't trade their way out of it.
They're just going to have to be bad.
As for the game last night,
I liked the young kids at the end of the night
actually showing some frustration
and showing some fight.
Did it mean anything on the scoreboard?
No, but when Zeeb William is out there dropping the gloves
and, you know, Tom Villander is out there
roughing it up and Linus Carlson,
I mean, I think that was good to see.
There was a clip going around a couple days ago.
I think it was Tyson from Canucks Army
that put it out there.
And he caught a couple of the young guys
at the end of practicing fighting.
Working on the scrap.
Was it, uh, I can't remember who it was.
Maybe it was out there.
Booyum was Ogren or maybe DP.
I don't know.
It was, it was three young guys
and they were just having fun.
They were, they were kind of working on their fighting
and then Booyum was like,
I'm going to apply this to the game.
And, you know, it's, it's, it's something, right?
I don't know what these young guys
on the team right now are, are going to amount to,
but it's nice to see them actually care,
which is the lowest of the low bars.
Like, hey, do you care?
Yes.
We'll get to the, we're in the process of, uh,
getting the audio already.
How are we doing with the audio right now?
Do we have foot audio available already?
Okay, so there's a couple of things we do want to play,
which is a shocking turn of events,
because the last, I'd say eight or 10 games,
we don't really have much post game audio to parse through.
I thought that Booyum and his post game media availability
sounded super frustrated,
and I don't know if it had to do with a little
tilly with Brent Clark, because he wasn't talking about that.
He was talking about getting their asses handed to him again,
this time by the LA Kings, but I want to,
the frustration level.
Did you see the clip of Tom Villander
on the bench just freaking out after you got stuck out there
for like a three minute shift?
Yeah, he was, he was so angry.
It was good to see you had something in the tank, though,
after he's in good shape.
He's able to come back and slam the boards and everything,
and the coach Kevin Dean had to tell him to like,
it's okay, calm down.
I mean, it's not okay.
We're terrible.
Yeah, calm down.
Glass half full, the fitness is there.
Glass half empty, you were stuck out there
for a three and a half minute shift.
Anyway, let's play some audio from Adam foot yesterday
when he was asked about his top line.
Now, obviously, his top line, and whatever that is at this point,
I think it's a nebulous idea,
because sometimes it's one line.
Sometimes it's another line.
But whatever the case, the top line did not score
nor did any Vancouver Knock last night.
So Adam foot was asked about it.
Here's what the head coach had to say yesterday
about his top line.
Maybe needing to give the team more.
Well, we want more from them, but that's for sure.
I mean, you know, I'm not going to get into,
get into all that right now.
Like, I'm not going to get on the negative train.
You know what I mean?
I get it.
You guys need your ticks,
but I'm not going to go there on that one, all right?
I'm going to make sure that we just keep pushing
in the right direction, see the positive of this.
We got a young team.
We got a big lot of things different
than having to share that you guys know are well aware of.
And I'm not going to get into that.
I wish you would have said positive train.
I'm not going to get on the negative train.
I'm on the positive train.
Can we acknowledge that instead of clicks, he said ticks?
We should acknowledge it.
Yeah.
What's a tick?
That's what your dog gets.
That's what your dog gets.
The show is tick bait.
That's all it is, right?
These journalists out there, they want their ticks.
They just want their ticks.
They have special baths for those.
What's left?
Can I say anything and have those idiots not make fun of me?
I mean, no.
No.
You can't.
No, well, don't say ticks instead of clicks.
I think the frustration level,
and there's about eight different reasons for it.
Horrible season.
You know, listless performances.
Laws is piling up.
Many of them at home.
You know, when you know that, and you can see the finish line,
but you're not quite there.
And you know that the season's almost over,
but you still have to go through the exercise of finishing it.
There can be a level of frustration with that.
And I think it's really starting to like,
spew out of the players, the coaches, and everybody else.
Because this has been an absolutely miserable season.
When you look back on this season,
years from now, it's going to stand out,
not just because within a franchises history
that has plenty of bad seasons with a lot of losses.
I mean, the stat you pointed out earlier,
I keep going back to it.
And I went back to it a few times last night.
You are talking about, in the history of the National Hockey League,
one of the 20 worst home teams, single season,
in the entire history of the NHL.
And that's going back to the 20s and the 30s.
The Black Hawks were still in a lot of those lists.
They were still two words.
Black Hawks.
Like, that's how long ago it was.
And that's the company that the connox
are keeping from like a, from when it was like a 16 league.
Yeah, team struggled at home because two thirds of their lineup
got drafted into the war.
Like those are the kind of teams that the connox are being stacked
up against historically now for their futility at home.
And this eight game home stand.
And we all saw this coming from a mile away.
This was obviously going to be,
and I know I've used inflection point a lot over the last month,
but this was going to be an inflection point.
You learned it from me.
Everybody in the organization
is looking at what they've just done on home ice.
And is very dejected with the way that it's gone.
It's very dejected with the way it's gone.
Because there was only two or three performances where you're like,
yeah, they showed some spirit and they showed some fight tonight.
I don't see how they bring foot back.
I just don't, I know there are some people that are like
sarcastically or not even sarcastically, you know,
saying like you got to bring, you got to bring foot back
because he's the tank commander or whatever.
But you can't bring him back.
You can't, you still have to have,
you still have to have some sort of,
you shouldn't be there now.
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I don't want to,
I think it's more like, it's not fair to him.
But he wasn't, he wasn't ready for this job.
Oh, he is not done a good job.
He looks overwhelmed.
And he, it was, it was, it was, it was a desperate
and ultimately bad hire.
This was the guy that had head coaching experience,
just a partial season in the WHO.
He didn't even last a full season in the WHO.
And Rick talk it made a decision to leave it,
put the connox kind of in a tough spot.
And they figured, all right,
well, Quinn seems to like Adam.
So let's make Adam the coach.
I mean, it was, it was a bad decision.
Yeah.
And again, I get people that are like, no,
you have to keep, keep them as the coach
because we want the connox to be bad next year.
Yeah, but most of those people like myself
understand that he still can't come back.
I don't think, you know, I'm glad we've reached the point.
I don't think that even with the greatest coach in the world
that the connox can be a good team next year.
I don't think it's possible.
They completely lack the talent.
I suppose you could be like, well,
if Demko is super healthy and, and Lankin
and doesn't have to play all these games
and we'll get to that in a minute.
And maybe, you know, Headle comes back,
which probably shouldn't do, but if he, you know,
and then the the ever elusive, you know,
Pederson, what if they don't trade him
and he turns around like, I suppose,
no, they could be, no, no, not with it.
Okay, here's the one thing they won't have.
Gold tending.
Well, they might though, like if Demko is healthy.
Well, he's having a big, he's having a big surgery
that they think is going to fix everything.
I'm ready to put if Demko is healthy
in the same category as if PD will bounce back.
Probably.
Okay, like that's, and that's totally unfair
to a guy that will ever play again.
It's totally unfair to a guy in Demko
that is trying his best to get back
and rehab and get healthy, but at this point,
you are looking at the guy
and his injury history and saying,
there's a much better chance
that you're going to be abandoned
for the remainder of your playing days
than you are being, just bouncing back to full health
and being a Vezna caliber guy again.
Do we want to talk about Lankin
and getting a fifth straight start?
Do we care enough about Tolopilo?
I mean, all I really want to say is that
if you're going to make winning a home game,
like last night's important,
and that's apparently why Lankin
has made all these starts,
you got to at least be competitive in the game.
Otherwise, I'd rather they give Tolopilo some starts
to take what he's been working on in practice
and apply it to a game
and apply it to his development.
Lankin had played well last night.
He made some really good saves.
He stymied Panarin a few times.
You know, the goal that Panarin did score
probably wasn't the best one,
but he had a ton of shots on him.
Yes.
His save percentage was over 900.
It wasn't Lankin's fault last night.
He was battling out there.
It's not your fault, Kevin.
But I don't think the fans had a better time last night
because Lankin was in net.
And the connox didn't, I mean,
I guess they had a better chance of winning
because Lankin was in net,
but like the chance was nothing.
They weren't going to win.
They were so thoroughly dominated
by an LA King's team that yes,
this is desperate.
And they do have some good players for sure,
but man, they're not that good.
Okay, do we have the William audio ready?
I just want to play the first 25, 30 seconds
of his post game media availability.
Now, obviously he was coming in hot
because he ended the game with a scrap with Brent Clark
and he was, you know, visibly upset.
And they actually, you know,
the line's been got in there in the middle of the tussle
and they're shorty mentioned in on the broadcast.
Like he thought he actually,
the line's been should have stepped out
because those two, Clark and William,
were not ready to give it up.
They were pissed off at one another
and they were ready to throw.
So I'll consider that when you listen to the tone
and tenor of what William had to say,
but this is a frustrated young man
and you can hear it in his voice
and you can hear it in his words,
talking about what went wrong last night
and a foreign nothing loss at home
to the Los Angeles Kings.
Yeah, I mean, you saw it like, she can't get anything going
and I think they pretty much dominated us
for most of the game.
So it just sucked.
Why do you think second periods have been such a struggle
for you guys?
I don't know.
I mean, I think like today we,
you know, I thought we actually played
decently well in the first and then the second we just,
I think it's little things we just get caught out there
for so long and we have all of us all to do.
We all get stuck out there for at least, you know,
a minute and a half, two minutes or something
and the forwards get tired and then they can't change
and then they get a change or worse so out there.
So it's just a cycle and we just got to find a way
to dig in in those moments and, you know,
find a way to not let that happen.
So there was also that there's a very small snippet
in there where he kind of conceded,
he's like, I thought we played decently well
to start the game.
If you compare that to what his head coach said
after the game yesterday where foot came out
and his first remark was we played great
in the first period yesterday.
We had a great start.
Like there's a disconnect right there.
No, you didn't.
You know, he didn't at all.
He wants to get on the positive train.
And we're not sure.
No, he's got his conductor hat and everything.
It's all aboard the positive train.
And at this point, does it feel like we're piling
on the coach maybe, but again, you said it earlier,
with the greatest coach in the world,
this team's still probably 30 second in the NHL.
And I'm ready to put a ban, a show moratorium,
a ban on anyone saying that you need foot
because you need a tank commander.
It's dumb, reductive thinking.
It's for mouth breathers on Connuck's Twitter.
Like I can't handle it.
Yeah.
When you hear a guy like that talk,
William, who's an aspiring professional
and wants to get better at his craft
and is saying all the right things about being around
and rebuilding the culture and wants to be part
of when things turn the page in Vancouver.
You can't saddle that guy with a coach
who, and it's very obvious, he's not prepared
to work with the team through a rebuild.
And a lot of you will say,
part of working through a rebuild
is losing lots of games wrong.
Part of a rebuild is going down to the studs,
finding guys that you're gonna build with
and growing them along, teaching them how to play,
instilling like standards and the characteristics
and the habits and everything that you want.
These, all these things matter right now.
There shouldn't be throwaway games, right?
There shouldn't be games where you get stuck out there
for a three and a half minute shift
and he's pissed off and I hope it's a learning lesson for him
and I hope the coaching staff uses it, but I have my doubts.
I really do have my doubts and I have my doubts
that any of these young guys that are saying the right things
and trying to do the right things right now
are actually getting better.
I know it's easy to pay a lip service like,
well, they're out there getting their reps
and they're learning from their mistakes
but there needs to be some tangible evidence of it.
Otherwise, it's just a wasted season and that is no good.
Luke Texan, I feel like mouth breathing gets a bad rap.
Nice, solid, direct way to breathe.
It's not efficient.
You choose your nasal passages as much as you can.
I know it's tough during seasonal allergies.
Yeah.
That's why God gave you an hose.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, we spent the entire opening segment talking
about the connox, which we did not plan for,
but that's okay because later on in the show,
we'll get into the rest of the NHL stories from yesterday.
There was a lot that happened across the National Hockey League.
We can also get into the World Cup qualifiers.
Canada now has a little bit of a clearer vision
on who they will play in their group.
It will either be Italy or it will be Bosnia.
That will get decided next week, Tuesday in Bosnia.
We can also get into anything else you want to get into
on a very busy Thursday.
And of course, now it's Friday in sports.
A reminder, if you want to get your thoughts in Dunbar,
or it's excellent, it's 650, 650.
Poor Ireland, poor Ireland.
That, by the way, added to my theory
that especially in soccer,
you can have a start that is too good.
There's was too good.
It was too good too soon.
They went up to nothing on Czechia.
And as soon as I saw that,
I was like, oh, they're not protecting that at Czechia.
Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, all bid farewell.
In pretty crushing fashion,
I think Northern Ireland was a little bit more expected
to be dispatched of the bid farewell.
There were lots of very sad Irish people
in my neighborhood yesterday.
I was really upset because Ireland
and the World Cup would have been great.
It's a good time.
Yep, it would have been great.
Yeah, they traveled really well to Czechia.
Joy Parrot got a goal yesterday.
Scoring sensation, Troy Parrot.
Anyway, if you want to get away in on any of this,
also the MLB story, as Ladi mentioned,
as he rolled in here this morning,
Blue J season gets underway today as well.
As they are, one of the last teams in Major League Base
pulled to get their season underway.
Because they have a roof.
They don't need an extra day off.
That's true.
You're listening to the best of Halford and Brough.
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Rick Dollywall here on the Halford and Brough Show
on Sportsnet 650.
What up, Ricky D?
How's it going, guys?
How's it going?
Things are great.
Let's talk about that game last night.
They're not great, Halford.
If they were great, we'd be talking about a winning streak.
Instead, we're talking about eight wins at home all year.
Let's go back to the Grizzlies first year.
10 wins at home.
So that's it.
And the connoisseur now two and eight
in their last 10 at home,
shut out five times at home this year.
12 shots on goal after two parades.
13 shots at the 50 minute mark.
It's just baffling.
If fans with the money they're paying,
just want an honest effort every night.
Rodgers mean that that's not too much to ask for.
They pay a ton of money.
If players should not cheat them on effort.
Obviously, they're in 30 seconds.
So the skill and the hockey sense
is not there with this team,
but the efforts should always be.
This is the same week.
You know, they keep losing at home
and then season ticket prices go up again.
Not by a huge number,
but no playoffs in nine of the last 11 years.
I'm not sure that was warranted.
The near crangers have a policy
that if they don't make the playoffs,
they don't raise ticket prices.
I think the nicks, they've got the same owner, Dolan.
They do the same thing.
That's goodwill by the ownership.
That's sort of stuff never happens here.
I don't know about you guys,
but when they sent out their season ticket message
this week to the fans,
we had a ton of texts to our show.
We had 20 to 25 year season ticket holders say,
that's it, they've had enough.
They're no more, no more.
We had a guy who's been a season ticket holder,
I think for close to 50 years,
he said it's over.
They're pissed at ownership, management,
concession prices tired of the losing.
Not renewing will catch the owner's attention.
One playoff went in the last 15 years
and the building is still full.
It's still full.
Sometimes the owner takes that for granted.
I'm going to be very interested to see
if that changes next year,
but only time will tell, we don't know
until we start seeing some home games next year.
But I think there's a lot of people
that are tired of selling out that type of money
for what is essentially a team in a rebuild
in 32nd place.
Well, especially when you can't essentially get your money
back on the secondary market.
If you're having to blow tickets out the door at 50%
or just give them away,
it makes the financial commitment that much more.
Absolutely, and it's not cheap.
Like this is not the 1980s,
where you can buy a ticket for seven bucks.
And popcorn was two bucks and Coke was one buck.
Like we had a text this week,
some guy went to the movies for 65 bucks
and then he went to a conucks game
and it cost him 400 bucks.
Like, I mean, for two tickets,
but it's just like Jason,
it's not like they're coming off for five good years
and you're raising prices.
They're coming off a horrible year last year
and this year's been worse than last year
and I like the policy by the Rangers.
If we don't make the playoffs,
you don't increase prices.
That's pretty good will by the order,
but I don't think you'd ever see that type of goodwill here.
Well, let's talk about some goodwill
because I think Zeeb William and Tom Vlander
and Linus Carlson earned some goodwill
at the end of last night's game,
even though the team got dominated on the ice by the Kings,
but they showed some frustration.
They showed some fight and William dropping the gloves.
I think showed a lot of conucks fans
that he still does care.
And whether this is fair or not,
I think sometimes we wonder if some of the veterans
on the team feel the same way.
Since the trade deadline, two guys have really stepped it up
for me in terms of listening to them in interviews
and being very impressed.
That's William and Vlander.
These are two high character kids, you know,
and I see letters with these guys in the future, both of them.
They talk, they're mature beyond their years.
They talk like 10-year vets sometimes.
You listen to them, you go and only smokes.
Sounds like a 10-year vet.
When Vlander went to Sweden during the Olympic break
on his own dime and went to train to get better,
what does that tell you about the kid, right?
There's something there.
You know, you think it's cheap to fly
from Vancouver to Sweden.
It was, that was his dad, the conxton pay for it.
His dad's a skills guy.
He's got his own trainers down there.
And during the Olympic break, this kid hops on a plane
to go to Sweden to work out, get better.
That's what you want to see from your young kids
and the kids they draft from year on end.
That's what you want to see.
And William, he's going to get there.
I know people are, you know, he's only 20.
How many 20-year-old defenseman do you know
in the NHL right now?
Not many.
He's got to get there.
He shows you, yeah.
He shows you flashes.
He shows you flashes.
He's going to get there.
And for those people that are looking
for a ton of points for William, do keep in mind.
He's on the second lowest score in team in the NHL.
He's pushing the puck up to forwards
who are leading this NHL, leading this team with 17 goals.
The crux may not have a forward with 20 goals this year.
And that might take him back 10, 15, 20 years.
I can't remember the last time.
But this is one of the lowest scoring teams
in the national oculic.
He's not going to get a ton of points now.
William, if points are what you're looking for him.
He's pushing the puck up to a lot of guys
that have trouble scoring goals.
When the Connex went to Edmonton,
it took Edmonton to game seven two years ago.
They were one of the highest scoring teams in the,
I think they were a top 10 scoring team in the NHL.
They had six, seven guys at the all-star game.
Scoring goals wasn't a problem.
Scoring goals is a problem now.
But as we've talked and talked about culture,
it is so nice to see two of the guys that are trying
to change it, one's 20 years old, the other one's 21.
And it's just nice to see that, you know,
you would like to see it from the veterans too.
But it's just so nice to see that it's two young guys
that are trying to change the culture,
make it fun to go to the rank, make it fun on road trips,
on the plane, in the hotel, all that stuff.
You know, the Connex have ample reason not to be happy
this year.
A lot of guys wanted out, right?
Guys don't want out of Vancouver
because it's a great place to play.
They want out because it's not a great place to play.
But you're right.
Both those young kids will enter and bully them.
They care.
Their care meter is very high.
And that is, and judging with,
and the fact that they're 20, 21,
that builds well for the Connex.
It definitely does, and, but, you know,
don't get me wrong.
You guys need to improve dramatically.
Look at them.
And that's not a criticism at all.
But I do wonder, when I hear all this talk
about signing Zeeb William to a long-term contract,
when would they think of doing that?
Because he's got one year left on his ELC.
Is there any reason to rush into that?
Well, they could do it July 1st,
and, yeah, they could do it July 1st,
or they can wait.
It's their call.
But he's the centerpiece of the Quinn Eustrate.
Is he not, Jason, in your eyes?
For me, he is.
Sure, I guess.
And I don't know what that has anything to do
with signing them to a long-term contract, though.
No, no.
But he's the centerpiece.
He's a very important part.
You don't want to sign them to two years,
and then two years and two years,
and let him walk his UFA.
Because that's exactly what happened with Quinn.
I, look, yeah, I think he's going to get,
yeah, he's going to get a long-term deal.
I'll be shocked if he doesn't.
Markets change all the time.
salary caps going up.
One to two crazy contracts affect everybody.
Keep that in mind.
But he's got a huge upside.
He's going to wear a letter one day.
His character is to be the roof.
He's one at every level that he's ever played.
Most people think, Jason, that William's
going to get 8 million plus a year.
There's two contracts in the last year
that have really changed things for defensemen.
Luke Hughes got 9 million.
He came off for 44 point season.
Jackson Lakom, 9 million.
He came off for 43 point season.
If it's an eight-year deal, it's going
to be between 8 and 9, or maybe a little bit
over 9 for this kid.
And for those people that think that's an outrageous number,
let me tell you something.
The first time I dropped, keep for sure,
was going to get 5 million, was on your show in September.
I took a lot of heat for that.
Ah, he's an idiot.
He's just, you know, he's doing this for the agents.
Everybody freaked out.
Sherwood ended up going from 1.5 million to 5.7.
I was wrong.
It wasn't five.
It was 5.7.
Markets are changing.
Cap's going up.
A lot of stuff goes on with these contracts.
One dumb contract affects a lot of teams.
The Bobby McCann in Toronto, as soon as Sherwood signed,
it just screwed the Maple Leafs.
Because Bobby McCann's got better numbers in Sherwood.
And now all of a sudden, Sherwood's
the new comparable, he's in Seattle.
That guy's going to get way more, way more than Sherwood.
And these guys are 1920 goal scorers, right?
It doesn't take much for the market to get crazy.
It takes one or two dumb deals.
Like, people could not believe Luke Hughes went from his entry
level deal to 9 million, off of 44 points.
But it is what it is.
You do have to be careful, though, as the connects,
because they're kind of setting a new hierarchy of salaries.
In the rebuild, there's going to be these baseline salaries
that, yeah, I know teams look at other teams
and here are the comparables, but they also look internally
on the team.
And sometimes there have been issues within the connox
where you're like, this guy's making this much,
and this guy's only making this much.
This seems off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You remember Tyler Mott?
One of the reasons he ended up leaving bank,
because he thought he should get what Jason Dickinson
was getting in Vancouver.
But Jason Dickinson was 6'4'2'20 could skate.
And so, yes, comparables do play a big factor, Jason.
And every day, in this summer, you're
going to see on July 1st.
What are you going to see, Jason?
You're going to see some dumb contracts.
Yeah.
It's just the way hockey goes.
And it's going to affect future Vancouver connox.
It's going to affect.
They got some potential first, second, third of all,
picks coming.
Do you think those guys are going to be cheap to keep
in the fall for year after year?
Yeah, that's kind of what I'm arguing.
Like, you need to set it accurately.
And also, I would say not, I realize that sometimes
you have to make bets on guys, and you have to take some risk.
But let's not overpay these guys too early,
because we also want them hungry to improve.
We don't want them fat and happy.
Let's move on here.
A lot of talk on our show about Adam Foot.
Is it a two-horse race to see who's going to be the coach?
Are there only two options, foot, or not a hotra?
Yeah, I think that's a great point.
It's going to be a hot topic this week, too.
We're going to find out soon in two or three weeks anyways.
But let me say this about Maholtra, first of all.
The goal for Maholtra, like every coach in the HL,
is to coach in the NHL.
Nobody wants to be in the minors forever, right?
His family still lives in Toronto,
while he coaches an Abbey.
He's got kids age 8 to 17.
His son Caleb, we all know, is going to be probably
the first center taken in this year's NHL drop.
Maholtra is very well aware of the situation.
There could be an opening event.
Who were there could be an opening elsewhere?
He's going to get interest.
A few people reached out to me and asked me,
if I heard anything about Toronto and Maholtra.
Really hard to say right now, because the Leafs
have not made a coaching change.
So it's all just hearsay, right?
The connects are either going to Firefoot,
because they need a better coach.
They're going to Firefoot,
because they don't want to lose Maholtra,
or they're going to keep foot.
I heard you guys this morning and I agreed.
Foot does not help himself when he talks to the media.
He's not great with the media.
But neither is Elvin.
Their best talker is Rutherford by a country mile.
Now, the other thing I want to get across
is in the last 11 years,
the connects have hired three rookie coaches,
Willie Desjardin, Travis Green, and Adam Foot.
In those 11 years, with those rookie coaches,
the connects have missed the playoffs nine times.
Maholtra would be the fourth rookie coach in 12 years
in this city.
Rookie coaches take a long time to figure things out.
And in a Canadian market, it's way tougher.
Green is an excellent coach today in the NHL.
It took him seven to eight years to become that.
But we expect these rookie coaches in Vancouver
to become great in one year.
Foot was hired to fail.
The plan was win for Quinn.
Instead, what do they do to what they traded?
Hughes, Sherwood, Garland, and Myers.
What coach isn't going to suffer
with those four guys taken out of his lineup?
He was never hired to be a coach of a 32nd place team.
It was all about winning this year.
The reason they're 32 is not because of foot.
It's because of management mistakes.
Now, does Maholtra even want the Vancouver job?
This team has had six coaching changes in 13 years.
The Connuck's job will not be great for Maholtra's resume.
He's going to lose a lot.
Will the owner want to pay for it two years
not to coach?
Maholtra isn't, and this is the big one.
Maholtra is not taken Vancouver from 32nd to 15th
or 10th or 5th or 2nd.
This is a bad hockey club that needs major changes
and patience to fix.
Fans and media in this town, maybe you guys,
maybe Drantz, maybe me, Adur Lohu.
But we're all going to be bitching about the same things
next Christmas.
If it's Maholtra there or foot there, take that to the bank.
And for those saying Mani develops players younger
or better than foot, what young players
are people talking about?
Most of the kids from the draft this year
and next year for Vancouver will not be playing in Vancouver
for two or three years down the road.
Just as important as coaching in a rebuild
is the development team.
They are just as important.
How you work with kids in Abby is just as important.
Could actually did a good job with Lena's Carlson,
Max Hassan, Ellie Spetter's in the defenseman.
But whole Glenner and Likaira Mackie, something's wrong.
When they keep sending those two up to Vancouver
and they keep getting healthy scratch or sent back down,
the combination of coaching and development
is going to be very crucial in the upcoming years.
But I do caution.
All those people that want a coaching change,
I guarantee you, those same people are going to bitch
about something about the new coach next year.
Take it to the bank.
You know who is it?
Maybe, but I just don't know why it's going to be
either foot or Malhotra, like why would they not?
You know who is a good rookie head coach
who took over a rebuild in a stadium market?
Marty St. Louis.
And that was an outside the box kind of idea.
Yeah, that was a good one there, I thought.
And that was, I mean, it takes a lot of the boxes.
You're talking about where it's like no experience
taking over a team that's going to lose more
than it's going to win.
I think it's important you get a teacher in the door,
to be honest.
OK, so why is he not working in Vancouver
with rookie coaches, right?
Like why?
Like the Willie D Travis and give Travis credit.
He's an excellent coach today,
but he took him a long time to get there.
And so we're going to, you guys want your seventh coach
in 13 years and you watch.
You just take it to the bank, amount the amount of people
that bitch about the new coach next year by Christmas.
Nobody can win a Vancouver.
As another team told me this week,
it doesn't matter who coaches in Vancouver.
They're taken over the 30 second place roster.
There's not enough talent.
There's not enough hockey sense.
It's going to be bad for whoever takes over.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
I just can't buy the notion that it doesn't matter
who coaches the team when you're trying
to bring along young guys like Azee Buhim
or Tom Villander.
I can't accept that.
OK, well, so you guys go ahead and tell me who's going to,
who would come here next year
or you wouldn't bitch about something he did.
Well, I don't know what bitch about everything.
But OK, well, that's what I've got.
Pete, the boys are not coming here.
OK, well, I don't know.
Pete, the boys are not coming here.
I mean, so, so Dali, you're confusing me a little bit.
What are you advocating for exactly?
I'm not advocating.
I'm saying it doesn't matter who coaches next year.
They're going to have the same issues.
There's not enough talent and hockey sense on this team
to take them from 30 seconds to 15 through 10.
That's what I'm saying.
And nobody's expecting that.
Nobody's expecting that.
They're expecting a coach to come in here
and work with the young players to improve them.
Nobody's expecting them to make the playoffs.
Everyone, I don't think necessarily people,
even if the conax worth 30 second overall, next season,
I don't necessarily think that people
would be automatically upset with the coaching staff.
I don't think that Adam foot has done a very good job
this year.
When I listen to him talk, I'm confused.
And I wonder if that carries over to the players as well.
Yeah, his explanation about why Lincoln
and his started four straight times over tolopilo
was a bit confusing.
But that's, that's, you know, again, a rookie coach.
How many times did he talk to the media under Rick Docket?
Can you remember?
Not many.
And now he's right.
Not as much as Katie is talking right now.
Yeah.
I mean, that is part of it, though, like it's a grind.
That is part.
It's like a daily grind.
I was like, oh, God, I got to look at you guys again
and explain myself.
You need to be well spoken.
Look at John Cooper.
He's so well spoken.
And I think it really helps him.
Like we're running out of time here.
And I want to get to one more thing.
Because we had Frank Sarah Valley on the show.
Was it earlier this week or was the last week when he said
that he would be shocked if the conax don't try
to move one of Lincoln and or Demko this off season?
So I ask you, Jason, exactly how is that going to happen?
Demko's had two major injuries in two years.
Two surgeries.
He's played a grand total of 43 games in the last two years.
This hockey club gave him 8.5 million a year.
Exactly what team is lining up for that?
You can't even think about moving Demko until he shows up
to camp.
He then plays a significant amount of games
by Christmas, by January 1st.
Those are all big massive ifs, capital letters,
if wishful thinking.
What team is even thinking Demko until Christmas?
What about Lincoln and them?
I'm not sure.
What about Lincoln and them?
Because Demko, I'll agree with you.
And I think we'll all concede that Demko
for any team to acquire him.
It was just be a massive risk and probably not worth it.
What about Lincoln and them?
There are some teams with goal-tending deficiencies.
Okay, so they're watching Lincoln and right now.
You don't think Lincoln is being watched.
So here's the thing of Lincoln and this hockey club
gave him a full no move.
This year and next year, he just said last week
in the media, he doesn't want to go anywhere.
He became a father this season.
He had to leave the team for a personal matter this season.
Does that sound like a player ready to wave his no move?
The reality is both these contracts and the no move
make it virtually impossible to move these guys.
Like, I have no indication, no indication
that Lincoln and he just said last week,
I want to stay, I want to work with the young kids,
I want to help this team, I want to do all this stuff.
He's got a full no move, right?
He's got the young kid.
People think waving a no move.
Has a hockey player with a young child ever been traded?
Like it happens, like the kid will be fine.
Well, hey, you move radio stations.
You go over one bridge and you go to the new radio station
to ask this guy, why do you think he asked for a two-year no move?
To be in control.
To be in control.
It's not necessarily to say, it's not necessarily to say,
I'm not moving out of Vancouver, but if they try and...
He's not showing any indication.
Okay.
He just told the media last week,
I don't want to go anywhere, I want to stick around.
Well, you can change people's mind.
You can say, well, we don't want you.
And we want to move on from you.
He probably changes mine then.
This happened, it's happened millions of times in the NHL.
Okay, I'd use up with a million times.
People don't understand what goes into a no move.
They take less money to get the no move.
And they take the less money so they can sleep better at night,
knowing that I don't have to move my young family.
He took less money.
Like, what part of that don't you get, Jason?
He could've got more elsewhere if he would've packed up his bags
and left as a UFA.
Okay.
It's not as easy as you say.
In no move clause, a no move clause,
the value in a no move clause is not simply,
I don't want to move.
It's being in control of the situation
if you are essentially asked to move
or you get to that point.
I mean, that is, in fact, that's probably the biggest,
that's the biggest thing.
The no move clause is like, I get to say
where I want to go.
Or tell me, Pairner and did it.
He was like, I'm not going to Seattle,
even if they offer me all this.
I'm going to LA.
That's the only place I'm going to go.
So I just have an issue on completely closing the door
unless you're hearing from his reps
or from anyone that he said,
like, I am not moving 100%.
I have no evidence he wants to go anywhere.
And here's another one for you.
When he tells the media, I want to stay
and he's a gold tender playing in front of
four defensemen under the age of 23
and he's going to get let up.
He's going to get let up playing in front of a very weak hockey club
with Lee ZNHL and goals against.
This guy wants to stay in that scenario.
Like, what does that tell you?
He doesn't want to go anywhere.
Look, I'll never say never because Tyler Myers waved
and he had no desire to wave.
And his agent got mad at me whenever I said,
hey, they're going to move them and move them and it happened.
But I mean, it happened because they traded views,
they traded Garland, they traded Sherwood
and Myers saw the writing of the wall.
These guys are not going to be good.
OK, I'll leave.
But I just have no evidence to like going to want to maybe
to change it someday.
I don't know.
Ricky, do you want to go on, buddy?
We're having it for time.
Thanks for this, bud.
See, pal?
I need us later, buddy.
I rigged all the wall and the phone.
I was a slam.
That was a slam.
The bubble did a bit as he tried to slam.
He was just really excited to hang up.
Rough got a little rattled.
Little rattled.
The only time he's going to upset.
OK, that's all taken to the location.
That's all taken to the back.
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