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"He's a medium-ass."
An Olaf animatronic seized at a Disney park in one of the most disturbing and hilarious videos the show has ever seen. Then, John Tortorella is back (Jack), and Jaden Ivey's crash-out and subsequent release from the Chicago Bulls offer more questions than answers.
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Chris has a young child and he is at home with her Roy and Tony
and Mike have young children.
So, can you guys get for me that video that I believe will be traumatizing
two children of a certain age, but I'm not familiar enough with what are the
ages that would get traumatized by something like this.
I'm thinking Tony, is your daughter old enough to...
My daughter's for 15 months tomorrow, so she wouldn't give a rat's ass about this.
Okay, so Roy would Claire be upset by this video Olaf from Frozen here
if she is a fan of Frozen, as I imagine most kids are.
Play this video of Olaf and for the audio audience.
Let you know that it's a robotic Olaf.
It seems to be talking and then a heart attack as far as I could tell.
Just total...
Right, and then all of a sudden the carrot knows falls off in a way that I
would believe to be the greatest of the trauma, but the thing that's jarring
about it is the instant paralysis because it's moving like a robot,
it's moving like it's animated, and then it freezes and it's seizure.
It's clear seizure there and then falls over with the clacking sound,
falls on its back and that is...
And then it's knows falls off.
It's met with yells and gas.
I mean, how could it not be?
It's horrifying.
It's the fact that it's talking, it's moving, it's arms,
it's looking at people, and then suddenly,
ice freeze, fall backwards.
Hey, Frozen.
Frozen is, yes, Olaf...
That's how you would explain it to the child, correct?
Don't worry, it's just Olaf was frozen.
And you're not going to say heart attack seizure,
you're not going to...
You're not going to say...
What are you going to say about the carrot knows?
Yes, that's rough.
For those of you who do not know, Frozen and can't see the video,
Olaf is just the sort of stereotypical snowman
where he's got a carrot for a nose,
and that's basically the whole snowman.
It's a couple of buttons.
The snowman's really easy.
In terms of taking care of fun stuff,
it is second only to the stick in terms of the least amount of things
that you need in order to play with.
The stick is in the toy hall of fame, I should mention.
You can't play that enough.
Please keep playing the sound, though,
because Olaf falling on his back,
seizing the plastic fun.
It's just horrifying.
So what age do you have a trauma that a child is going to have nightmares
because it sounds like Mike and Roy,
their daughters are too old,
and it sounds like Tony's is too young to be traumatized by this.
They get all the pins on the kid then.
Like some kids, when they were on that age,
they were a laugh.
That's how they are.
They were just cackled laughing.
But clearly from this video, I can hear someone in the back of...
Like, realistic.
Yeah, it's jarring.
It really is.
I'm unsettled by it.
It is unsettling no matter what.
It really is.
What is the most unsettling part?
Because I'm going to say it's the carrot being five feet beyond the head
after the screaming, clacking sound,
and, you know, kids being whisked away.
The thing that's greatest about it, though, is...
The mouth is moving,
and then when the seizure strikes,
it is clear to all involved that this is now an inanimate object,
and something is deeply wrong.
Like, when the mouth stops moving,
you notice the seizure in its face.
Yeah, I think the dismemberment,
the loss of the nose is what really gets me.
I'm trying to picture explaining that to my granddaughter.
It's like explaining why is Santa Claus holding a bottle of scotch.
It's just jarring.
You know, it's jarring.
Even if you...
My eight-year-old granddaughter, she looks at that,
she realizes that's a robot.
She's like, that's not a real snowman.
But it's still jarring.
It's still unsettling.
I would be the one gasping in the background
if I were watching that live.
It does look, though, when you watch the video
like the NFL trainers when someone is concussed,
like getting down on one knee right there,
and just checking in and asking how you feel.
You okay?
Make sure they're not potentially paralyzed.
We go down, we get on one knee,
and we look at them, okay, all right.
Are they doing okay?
One knee?
Look, how are we doing?
Okay, now you can go in and help,
and of course, the second person that comes in grabbing Olaf by the crotch
isn't exactly wonderful, either.
It's not a great look.
I think it would have been funny if they would have started applying CPR.
That would have been just an added touch
that would have been really special.
Who knew the nose was so lightly put on to the face, right?
Are you feeling like that?
I feel like everyone knows that with a snowman,
and the most authentic snowman
do not have mechanical parts, they don't have wiring.
Maybe you're like gonna stick the carrot in there nice and clean.
Yeah, you're right.
It should have some roots and some depth.
I think that Greg's got the analogy wrong, though.
It's not Santa holding a bottle of scotch.
It's, uh, it's Santa holding a severed human head.
It's something that dismemberment you speak of that has the carrot nose
seven feet in the background as paramedics.
One of them dressed as a gesture of some sort.
Paramedics tend to, tend to the snowman.
That is quality video.
Keep it behind Tony.
I wouldn't say gesture.
I'd say part of the king's court.
Thank you for doing that.
Because gesture, you know, implies the little hat and you know,
bells and whatnot.
He's more of like a, like a duke in the court.
I am an url of some sort.
Are we sure he's not one of the princes in Frozen?
I think he might be a prince.
Was there a prince in Frozen?
Yes.
Yeah.
Uh, not the hero though.
There was Sven, who was like the hero who was walking around with a reindeer that
would talk.
The prince was actually the bad guy spoiler alert.
Yeah.
And that was quite the use of an R.
Prince of Denmark.
Isn't that kind of a Disney stereotype that the prince is always impossibly
good looking but also arrogant and sometimes sometimes sometimes they turn
this one on a tent because sleeping beauty or you want those in kisses or wakes
her up.
You want to believe in the love story.
Yeah.
Even though it moves way too quickly.
Yeah.
And then they pull the rug out from under you and like,
oh, that's actually the bad guy the entire time.
Also, how could you not be arrogant if your name was literally Prince Charming?
Yeah.
How long it was like it was meant to be.
Uh, I can't believe that Roy did not tell me.
Uh, I learned this from a friend of mine who used to, uh, he used to be someone
who ran the Vegas Knights and he was explaining to me, uh, that he liked
the recent hire that the Vegas Knights had made.
He did the United States of Torrella.
He's back.
He's a jerk and people like that as their coach.
And I wanted to ask the rest of you why that is because I was making
front of my friend.
I was like, you would not want a Torrella as your boss.
He did the United States of Torrella.
Why do you want your players?
People you ostensibly, you know, care about to have this bully in charge.
He did the United States of Torrella.
I'm curious Roy's thoughts here because Bruce Cassidy was a hard ass.
Right.
Yeah.
Usually when the players, and the Vegas Knights have had a terrible season for them.
They're still in playoff position because they're benefiting from a week division,
but they're not beating bad teams.
It seems as though Cassidy's act is finally worn thin.
Yeah, they tuned them out last year and now this is the final show.
It's just interesting to them doing it with eight games left.
Right.
But usually when you replace the hard ass, you go players coach.
You don't go from hard ass to harder ass.
Can you guys find for me why it is that it's a hard ass?
Why someone who we all know what you're saying there?
But I'm not totally sure why we all know what it is that you're saying.
Damn, because we all love a soft ass.
Yeah.
Somebody who's a hard ass, Torrella in hockey circles.
Where is he?
How close is he to the top of the list on guy you bring in if you want to just kick your teams ass?
Somebody that nobody's going to like.
And maybe he motivates them.
Maybe he doesn't.
This, look man, the Dallas stars did this with Hitchcock.
There are any number of teams that love doing this with the guy who's unreasonable.
But Torrella is the top of the list.
Is he not?
Yeah.
The guy that he replaces actually kind of up there.
Barubi is another guy, which that didn't work out for the Leafs at all.
But yeah, there are a couple of these old school hard asses.
It works.
If you have an undisciplined team and you come in, coach Q is another guy that has considered a bit of a hard ass.
And Anaheim's had a lot of success this year.
When, when you guys say that though, that's, it's a, it's a large umbrella, right?
If I told you guys any of you that coming in tomorrow to straighten out our outfit,
is somebody who's got a little bit of military sergeant in him and is known throughout the industry as a hard ass.
Nobody here would want it, correct?
There's not a person here who would want it for themselves, no matter how sloppy and disorganized we are,
who would want to know that the boss coming in is a hard ass.
Nobody's going to say, oh, I think the company needs it.
I think we need it.
This is team number five for John Torrella since he left Tampa in 2013.
Dan, I'm going to disagree, man, because there are a lot of athletes that actually respond a lot better to a hard ass.
Draymond Green is a great example.
Steve Kerr, when he first started coaching, he's like, I don't know how to get through to the guy.
He called Tom Izzo.
Tom Izzo says, oh, he just wants you to cut him out.
That's how he wants you to coach him.
And so whenever we see Steve Kerr and Draymond Green, no snows yelling each other yelling and shouting us up.
A lot of people are like, ooh, trouble in paradise.
No, that Steve Kerr just adjusting his leadership style to apply to a guy who responds best to that kind of coaching.
Ain't anything in the United States of Torrella?
I think in general, though, you want the medium ass.
You know, you don't want the drill sergeant over here and you don't want the soft players coach over here.
You want the guy who kind of combines both elements, the medium ass.
I just invented that phrase.
I like that phrase a lot, great.
I think Paul Maurice kind of ventures into medium ass territory.
I think he does, too.
I think that's a great idea.
Well, in professional football, who's a medium ass?
Okay, because we were talking about this the other day when it came to, I don't even remember what we were talking about, players coach.
Oh, that we were talking about somebody ripping McDaniel, Rohinge Moster, ripping McDaniel because he was saying he was too much of a players coach.
Andy Reed, to me, I think he is soft ass.
Soft ass.
I don't think he's a medium ass.
Soft ass players coach.
I think the perfect medium ass in the NFL is Mike variable because he comes from that Bella check tree.
You don't think that's a hard ass?
No, because his players adore him because he's not too far removed from playing, too.
So he knows what it's like.
Tom Lentz, a hard ass and his players adore him.
You can be, a means point is the correct one in that some of these environments are vastly different than our environment.
A creative environment can be sensitive, can be fragile, players, some players do appreciate.
And when they get out into the real world, they don't like that the real world is less honest than the locker room.
They don't like that people won't just criticize them because you're not growing and learning unless you're having things around you that prod you into a better place.
But I do think that that can be done with kid gloves as much as with, you know, iron fist.
Creatives hate the hard ass.
It's why anytime there's a hard ass involved in the talk show circuit, someone on the staff runs the vanity fair and can't wait to complain.
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Quiet, man.
Yes.
You know, I'm married, man.
I don't cheat on my wife.
Despite that gratuitous line.
And back in my day.
That you wrote.
Two guts.
I wish you were here, my wife.
I really miss her.
No, I don't.
That's the thing about being married.
You know, you're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife.
I've been gone two days.
I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife.
I'm sorry.
I call her.
You just said you were going to miss her.
30 seconds.
You know, what am I?
Hello.
All right.
We'll see you.
All right.
Two days.
I was jumping Charlie.
Good.
This is the Dan Libertard show with his two guts.
Medium ass.
Sean McVeigh.
You think I think he's more players coach as well.
I think there is a version of coach in these sports who has realized that, generationally,
there have to be multiple ways to reach a 20-year-old.
Not everyone is dream on green.
You have to do it individual to individual.
But I do think someone like McVeigh wouldn't puff out his chest about, I'm leader.
I'm in charge.
He would view himself as an ally.
My job here.
Did you guys see what happened with the management of the 49ers as it relates to IUQ where Shanahan's
like, and John Lynch, both like, that's it.
He's played his final game here in the owner wanders over.
He's like, oh, don't a second.
Talented players are hard to get.
He might still have some value.
And now he's publicly saying something different.
The coach has to be an ally to some of these guys.
And Shanahan is fed up because he's like, I can't reach this guy.
I physically can't reach him.
I can't get him on the phone to find out if he's going to show up for work.
And that is something that I can't trust in my environment.
But the owner doesn't have to deal with that.
The owner says, my job is just to create a place where I'm putting a bunch of good football
players in a room.
And then we create the organization that serves those football players so that they become
better football players.
To me, I mean, this whole organization is dying for like a Pablo treatment.
I'm so fascinated by the San Francisco 49ers and have been for years.
Because I dating back to his coordinator days when he was in Cleveland.
And he seemed like he was the only guy that knew what he was doing over there.
Kyle Shanahan to me is like cream of the crop.
But they have all these injuries.
There's this electrical substation.
The Iyuk thing is weird.
They seem to have great leadership with John Lynch.
They're always right there, but they can't win the big one.
They have like guys that George Kettle Hall of Famer, Fred Warner Hall of Famer.
And they're trying to do this with Mr. Relevant at quarterback.
It's a fascinating.
Train Williams Hall of Famer, McCaffrey Hall of Famer.
Yeah.
I mean, exciting whites all around the field.
It's a fascinating team.
Put it on the pole at Levitard show.
Do the San Francisco 49ers lead league in exciting whites?
The Brandon Iyuk situation is an it's a really unusual one.
A guy gets his guaranteed money and then just stop showing up and becomes such a problem
that they take his guaranteed money, which is not something or they're trying to take.
His guaranteed money.
You're not allowed to take the guaranteed money unless someone's behavior is egregious.
You wouldn't even you wouldn't even think to do that because of the harm it would bring you with future guaranteed contracts
because you're now the organization that takes back guaranteed money.
I to Mike's point about wanting to know the ins and outs of that organization.
I wish one of these insiders would explain to us exactly what the breaking points have been there
that make Brandon Iyuk think it's okay to just stop showing up for anything at work
after you've gotten your guaranteed money that the jobs.
Let's transition here to Jade and Ivy because I want to talk about how rare it is to get and have these jobs
and what you have to do to lose them because at this point the Chicago Bulls could put anybody in a uniform.
So going into free agency as Jaden Ivy is sitting on the bench, getting waived for an assortment of commentary, some of it anti gay,
but all of it filed under religious beliefs and religious beliefs that are more ardent than they were in his previous stops
where the reporting is that many bulls players and management were getting tired of his sermonizing and preaching.
But while he's away from the team for conduct, detrimental to the team, he's doing an assortment of live streams where he's feeling a very strong need to tell everybody
not only about his religion, not just his depression, not just his love of apple pie, not just his opinions on abortion
but specifically anti gay commentary filed under the Bible and what he called unrighteousness.
And he's saying, what conduct did I do that's detrimental to the team?
This is what he's saying though, how did I harm the team by having a religious conviction?
We can, in this particular group of people, because of what it is that we do around here,
be super easy to just cast a scolding tone here at Jaden Ivy.
But there are many people in America and a divided America right now, divided along religious lines,
who would say that Jaden Ivy's conduct isn't detrimental to the team, that he's being persecuted because of his religious beliefs.
That's what they will say, that is the framing of whoever it is that's going to now support Jaden Ivy.
Right, the gains is.
A number of people, like he can become a figure now from sports, who was too hot for sports because he's too busy telling the truth
and sports can't handle it within the silos that people are now politically, religiously based on gender, based on sexuality.
This is a move that harms him with the Chicago bulls but doesn't necessarily harm him with his base.
What base?
What base?
People who believe that homosexuality is wrong because in the Bible you believe what it is that you believe about sexuality and immorality.
He's calling it unrighteousness. There are many people who believe this.
Then many people believe this. I guarantee almost all of them have never heard of Jaden Ivy.
And this is, alright guys, this is when we got to put on our big boy pants because I'm going to be a little too blunt and direct here.
He's not good enough to have a controversial opinion of any sort in any direction.
So you say this has got him out of the favor of the Chicago bulls, but he's done with the NBA forever.
You're not good enough to have that kind of a scandal in terms of things that you're saying again in any direction and still come back to work the next day like George Costanza saying I didn't know there was anything wrong with that.
A public support of his beliefs is not a smart business model for any sports franchise in America, even in these divided times.
But I want to endorse what Amin was just saying.
Top five pick, and this is not a small sample. He's been in the league now five or six years, I think.
Top five pick hasn't quite panned out.
Hasn't quite panned out. Plus those beliefs.
This is a business decision if he had panned out as a top five pick and they were intended to resign him and extend him.
Yes, they would allow him to do the apology tour.
They would not have waited if he were good.
There would be a different set of rules.
This would actually be a more interesting conversation if a team was being tested along its ethical lines by somebody who was good enough to cross over into this barrier and keep their job.
The easiest move for the bulls is get out of here. It does not matter who's in our uniforms.
We don't need this in our uniform.
But when you say he's not good enough, neither's in his canter and he turned it into a post basketball career waving around that he was blackballed by the league and too honest for the league.
In his cancer, first of all, had compared to this kid, Hall of Fame career.
Let's like night and day as far as someone who was accomplished on a basketball court.
In his canter also had an on ramp because of real persecution that his family was going through back in Turkey.
The problem is in his canter was in my estimation a guy who liked to hear the crowd cheer.
And so what he chased was the tears.
So as he heard right wing kind of conservative media say this guy's telling how it is.
He's like, what else do they like to talk about? China and LeBronze afraid of China.
Like, yeah, and also like and he just kind of was chasing tears.
Again, in his canter another example of it.
In his canter freedom.
Sorry.
And it should be noted been quiet lately to a means point.
The thing that he also realizes at some point, this is the opportunity cost that every organization makes.
How good is he?
Meaning, can I get someone who maybe not be quite as good, but maybe a little bit less is good,
but also doesn't come with any of the bullshit antics, then I'll go with that option.
This is a place that people end up all the time.
So give me the tipping point.
Give me the guy who's worth this.
Where's the line on argument where because this always becomes the talking point always in the face of these conversations.
Oh, they wouldn't have done that to guy who was better or they or they would have punished more severely guy who was worse.
We can all agree that Chicago bulls are not trying.
He's about to become a free agent like this is disastrous as a bit as a business move.
Disastrous because I mean just said he talked himself out of the league.
He was objecting to pride nights, but this is like he'd fit right in and hockey.
Not saying that.
Dan, if he were the equivalent level talent as he is in the NBA over in hockey and had that Instagram live, he'd be waived.
Just not a sport in America where this dude at his talent level would still be on a roster today, not a sport.
I'm not sure that what you're saying is so about a top five pick only because.
Okay.
In hockey, I've seen a whole lot of objecting to pride night and I do understand how it is that people want their hatreds or their beliefs.
Either expressed their way at sporting events or not at all at sporting events because they just don't want this with their sports.
I saw ESPN was being celebrated by shit stains coverage because they've run all of the woke journalists out of ESPN.
They have they've successfully done that.
They have quietly done that and it's at least in part because their focus groups show that in protection of the business, it is a wiser to get everybody the hell away from anything that resembles social commentary and just throw all the money at live rights and don't have any opinions that are not sports opinions anywhere on your sports network.
That side has won and it has pushed over the worldwide leader so that the worldwide leader is now embracing the climate of the moment by avoiding all of this stuff.
Jeremy, where do I have it wrong on hockey and saying that hockey is permeated with a whole lot of people mumbling under their breath about feeling like some of this stuff shouldn't be near the ice.
Because there is a difference between feeling like you are being forced to celebrate the LGBTQ community when that doesn't line up with your beliefs and publicly demonizing that group railing against them publicly calling them sinners and I believe there was another term in there that was unrighteous.
That is a different thing than saying, hey, I don't want to wear the rainbow uniform. Those are two different things and it's important to draw those distinctions.
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Dan, a couple of things. Number one, what Jeremy is saying as articulating is the NHL players or the other athletes who have spoken out.
It's usually in a kind of a measured tone. Hey, I don't, this doesn't represent my beliefs, whatever.
This dude was ranting and raving. By the way, beyond that, he also said Catholicism is a fake religion.
He also said Steph Curry is a fake Christian. Oh, just because he wrote Philippians, whatever, whatever.
Doesn't mean he's righteous in the eyes of God. And like he is just like a loody tunes character talking.
These are not the words of a rational human being regardless of how hateful his speech is or isn't.
And this has been percolating for quite some time. The reports that he's basically harassing teammates with his opinions, being very preachy, not worth it.
I do want to clean up some of the hockey stuff because I don't, I don't think it's fair to even mention them.
Because what Jeremy says it's right is absolutely right.
You don't have anyone that outspoken really in hockey the way that Ivy was.
And also you don't have the kind of support in the NBA that you've seen from SARS-Ly economic David and Matthew Kitchock
when it comes to these pride nights and rainbow tape and whatnot.
We had the conversation a couple of days ago about Pukinakua and his mental health and A and Antonio Brown.
Like what that sport does to people's brains. And obviously in basketball, we're not having that same conversation
because it's not the same physicality level. But when I see what Jade and Ivy does on his Instagram live,
like it takes me back for seconds. I'm like, man, is it, is it, is it an episode that he's having that he's using stuff that he's learned and stuff that he's converted to Christianity.
And now that's kind of blending the two worlds together in the, in the midst of it of an episode.
That's something that I look at and I'm like, I see people on the street, homeless people,
ranting, raving in the same fashion. And we just walk by them and don't really pay much attention to them.
And you're not taking liberties because Ivy has been upfront about his battles with depression and his own mental strife.
There's a huge difference between having a belief that is unpopular and getting on a soapbox and espousing that belief
at the expense of your team's reputation. And that's where Jade and Ivy crossed the line.
If he's a particularly religious person who hides behind the shield of his religion to be anti gay,
that's his belief and he's entitled to it, but you don't have to espouse it.
You don't have to become the public face of bigotry and prejudice.
Let me, let me stop everyone here for just a second because what Tony said about an episode,
I will tell you that this, I've had all my thinking on this changed almost entirely by the experience that I had with my brother at the end,
where he had, the cancer had gotten to his brain and there were things happening with episodes that I simply didn't recognize.
I had to go in on behalf of our family years before things really escalated,
because everyone asked me to go in and say,
Dan, please go talk to your brother and tell him that no one can say anything to him,
that there's nothing that can be said to him that's not met with an objection.
I did that and my brother didn't talk to me for more than a year.
What Tony is saying about episodes and when a guy is going crazy,
it's easy to do a Charlie Sheen and Kanye and some people are, as we mentioned with Puka,
some people are just assholes, so it can't be filed under,
well, what's going on over here? Is he actually going a little bit crazy?
But when you mention an episode, I cannot tell you how ill-equipped sports is to deal with any of this.
They only have to deal with it if the player is good enough to force you to deal with it,
but I don't know what happened with John Moran.
And when behavior is so crazy, sometimes it's Antonio Brown and you're like,
okay, I'm comfortable doing this, but these are just the incidents that spill into public.
In the case of Ivy, this is what he's chosen to share with us,
but he believes he's being wronged here, like be clear on this,
he believes he's right and no one can tell him anything,
because he thinks he's talking to God about it.
And then this kind of reminds me a little bit of the conversation we had yesterday about Tiger Woods
and the idea of expectation and failing the meat expectation,
and what that can do to someone who's centered their entire identity around being something amazing.
In Tiger Woods case, you said, number two's good enough. He said,
probably not. He probably thinks dad wanted me to be number one,
and I failed, and some of that stuff manifests in how he handles things.
Again, we're not making excuses for any kind of behavior. We're just trying to explain it.
So, sadly with Jane Ivy, if you were a top five pick, like Greg said,
and you didn't pan out, like that's got to be some real mind-f that's happening upstairs,
and then you partner that breaking of your brain with whatever kind of discovery of religion,
which a lot of people turn to in times of darkness,
and then it depends on who is introducing you to religion,
because those people will emphasize certain things.
Like, he could have fallen with the right crowd, so to speak,
and it was about loving one another and all this stuff.
Instead, he probably fell with someone who's like,
and look at the way they walk in this league,
sitting left and right, and they've got their pride nights,
and this man over here is, of course, supposed to be a man of God,
but he's cussing more than anybody else.
Like, all of that stuff is a weak brain that has been infiltrated
with whatever manipulative message has come to him.
It's not unlike, and I know this is going to make people go crazy.
But when you talk about what turns people in certain parts of the world into,
you know, the people, suicide bombers or whatever,
it's that, it's like a broken brain, a broken psyche,
and then the person that you turn to for guidance,
for help, for support, for direction,
is someone who does not have a positive message,
and that influence can turn someone who otherwise
would be a regular person or down the road person
into an extremist.
I wasn't terribly comfortable,
even though I understand it, with some of the pop psychology
we were doing on Tiger Woods when we talk about some of this stuff
that isn't excusing behavior, but is attempting to explain the behavior.
The reason that I have never tried cocaine is because I know where it is,
I'm addictive, and I am compulsive,
and I do not want to enter into one choice I make
that then affects all other choices after that
because now I don't have control over something.
Do you believe in the case of Tiger Woods giving the specifics
of what it is that he had to sculpt to be great, right?
The loneliness of golf, the meticulous attention to detail,
wouldn't you think that that is someone who's sort of predisposed
to obsessive, compulsive patterning?
We are all a product of our learning, our environments, our experiences,
our influences, all of this stuff.
Would you not think that a personality type that had to do
whatever Tiger Woods had to do in order to be great
would be someone who would be predisposed
to being at the very least obsessive compulsive?
Yes, especially knowing everything we now know about his father
and their relationship.
Tiger Woods, this is worth remembering.
Tiger Woods for about a five or seven year period
was so good that you could bet the field or Tiger Woods
and a lot of people would bet Tiger Woods over the field
that he was going to win that tournament.
And he did more than just win and win and win and win majors.
He revolutionized the sport, but that was what was expected
by his father.
That was what was expected.
And so he wasn't going to win.
Or named prophesized by his father.
The first major article on Tiger Woods was how his father
was going to turn him into a god.
The first thing written when he was a teenager
and then much of those things ended up coming true.
Yeah, and so falling just short of Jack Nicholas
on the all time major table was not good enough for Tiger
and it still isn't.
And now he's turned 50 and he's got demons or a pair.
So what do you think the audience is feeling as we talk about this?
Is it for the wrongdoing, right?
For the crowd that says, hey, pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
Show me what a man looks like and man up.
Don't talk to me about weaknesses of a fragile brain damaged
by manic episodes.
Don't talk to me about the weaknesses of addiction.
Will your way beyond these things
and behave like a professional?
I think the audience probably has fatigue, honestly,
because this is the way that this is playing out
is super predictable.
It's entering the political sphere.
And you're just consumed by the same stuff
that you're always consumed by in this weird culture war.
It's just weird.
The sports are the ultimate meritocracy, right?
Kaepernick is invoked so often because Kaepernick made it to a Super Bowl
and it was very clearly blackballed.
Not everybody is under a Kaepernick-like plight.
Eunice came to freedom, wasn't?
And certainly this bust of a draft pick isn't.
For all the DEI projection, it's exactly that, projection.
Because this guy is flatly just not good enough to be in the league
on his own merit.
And when you add the fact that he's making everybody in the office
uncomfortable and is having really unpredictable episodes
on social media and in the workplace,
this is an easy decision.
I'm gonna tell you right now, as a guy who's been in locker rooms,
nobody wants to, like, the matter even if I agree with you
on your religious takes, nobody likes that guy.
Nobody likes that guy.
I was like, oh, Jesus Christ.
And so, you know, one of the things like,
they said, can't you do that on purpose?
Oh, Jesus Christ.
Conducted to mental to the team.
I was like, oh, ask my teammates.
My teammates don't love me or whatever.
I'm like, I mean, they can like you,
but they can also be sick and tired of you coming around
and trying to talk this stuff over and over.
To be fair, he did break his leg last year
and has been rehabbing and trying to get back to it.
It's like that points to a physical situation
where he hasn't been his best.
I mean, saying that a top five pick
who's been in the league five years,
which would put him at roughly his prime, right?
He's not, he's not an old player.
He's not 30 yet, correct?
24, 23, 23, 24.
He can still have a good career in Europe.
So, but I mean, saying this is a death sentence.
I mean, is saying this is not,
this will not return to basketball.
That he just, that right before heading into free agency,
he just sealed his fate as he will never work in the league again.
I think there's a couple of things there.
Number one is, like I said, basketball wise
was had not shown enough to be good enough.
He had a good year or so in Detroit.
He's been a very injury prone player in his career.
Number two, again, this is some wild over the boards.
Like I said, we're focusing on the anti-LGBTQ.
But again, he called out Steph Curry.
He called out LeBron James.
He called out the religion of Catholicism.
Like, he's sprayed across a wide map of all different targets
and groups of people who are going to be pretty upset.
Number three, Dan, he, like we've all pointed out.
He does not seem to be of sound mind.
Like, and that's probably, it should be number one.
It's like, I can't bring someone into my locker room
who does not have it all there.
Like, there's a level of kind of like wild card.
We'll deal with.
And then there's a point where it's like,
no, this guy can do anything.
This guy, whenever you have someone who's invoking God
like that in the way and saying that his mission is to spread
and all that stuff, it's like, yo, man,
I'll tell you, the next thing that comes up usually is violence
because when people don't want to come along with you on that ride,
it's like, hey, I'm going to force you on that ride with me.
You can't trust a guy like that.
And so for that reason, he won't play here.
I don't even know if he'll play, Mike made a joke about him.
Maybe he'll play in here.
I don't know if he'll play there.
His mom is also the coach at Notre Dame.
Yeah, like that part is, is what's crazy about this.
But the anti-catholic takes her stranger now.
That's what I'm saying.
Like, this is, this is someone who is clearly mentally ill
and using Christianity as a muse
for his mentally ill ramblings
because you have someone here who is using the Bible
in a way it's not intended to be used.
Like, I'm a Jewish person.
But from what I understand about Christianity,
there's a lot more time spent on poverty and greed
and things like that than the bear mentions of homosexuality
within the Bible.
And yes, some people are going to use that as a means
to then go ahead and be homophobic.
But it's really just punching down on a marginalized people.
It's cowardly to do so.
And of course, to be able to see it all happen
through the musings of someone who is mentally ill,
it's no different than someone who grasps onto QAnon
or anything else.
It's using something as a mask for your mentally ill ramblings.
Okay, but while he suffers from depression,
you do understand why we get no closer to a bridge
on this stuff when he's saying these are my religious beliefs.
This is who I am.
This is my relationship with God.
This is how I think about gay people
and you dismiss that, which he thinks is reasonable
as mentally ill.
Right.
But that's because that is like flatly not the tenant
of the religion on its own.
Like people who use Christianity or Judaism or Islam
or anything to rail against a certain group of people
are not following the tenants of said religions.
Right, but that doesn't make them necessarily mentally ill.
I'm willing to explore the idea of this being an episode.
I'm not willing to say flatly that this is mental illness.
I can't say anything flatly these days.
I feel comfortable calling this race
when you consider all the behavior for such a long time.
Dan, some people are worth the discourse.
And some people are just a crazy guy outside of ultra telling you
you're going to go to hell.
Nobody likes that guy.
Mike, you know I have one rule to live by, right?
Don't place parlays on multiple long shots.
Don't say a game is one when it hasn't hit triple zero.
Always drink your egg or myster ice cold.
That's the rule.
Everything else is merely a suggestion.
Everything else.
Everything else.
Wearing clean, underwear every day.
Well, that's just a personal decision.
Brushing your teeth.
Ugh.
Obviously smart, but not a rule.
Never pee pee on an electric fence.
Okay, maybe there are two rules.
But the one that is 100% that I insist on completely.
Yagermeister must be drank ice cold.
Or don't drink it at all.
Damn, that's cold.
Exactly.
You're finally starting to get it.
Drink responsibly.
Yagermeister Lakor, 35% alcohol by volume,
imported by mass Yagermeister US, White Plains, New York.
Wearing clean, underwear every day.
