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Are you doing coffee again on an empty stomach?

I feel like I can hear your stomach again.

It's not mine.

I'm pretty sure that it sounds like what I've heard in the past coming from your stomach.

Did you have breakfast?

I did not.

I looked before the show saw bacon.

There's no bacon over there, which is always a big let down.

But it's always loud when you have a ton of coffee because you're drinking coffee straight

from a thermos.

You've had how many cups of coffee have you already had today?

This is probably my second thermos.

Oh my god.

Yeah.

On an empty stomach.

And they'll keep going till like 4 p.m.

I'm not a breakfast guy.

Well, but I hear it in your stomach.

Thank you.

Your stomach is asking you to be a breakfast guy.

I need more coffee.

You screwed up.

You screwed up.

You screwed up your own line.

I looked at him laughing and screwing up his own line.

We didn't even notice your pick up there.

I need way more coffee.

Roger Bennett is the founder, the CEO, and the gorgeous face of the men and blazers media

network.

He's got another New York Times bestselling book.

It's opening today, by the way, and I know it's going to be a bestseller, even though

he's got previous bestsellers.

We are the world, a personal history of the world's greatest sporting event.

We're 100 days out from the world cup.

Always good seeing you, Roger.

Thank you for making the time for us.

Meg was saying that he thinks there's the possibility that the U.S. is going to play

Iran in the world cup.

I don't think Iran is going to play in the world cup.

I don't know, for sure.

Where are you on this?

And welcome, Roger.

Let's, let's greet him with a little bit of war to start the proceedings.

Big Danny, big Danny, that's a lot.

We covered a lot of ground.

My book, We Are the World Cup is the official title, baby.

And it is a joy to be back with you, you gracious human being.

Where am I on war?

Is that you're asking me?

Is that the threshold?

Well, Greg Cody thinks that there's a chance the United States will play against Iran

and I don't think that's probably going to happen.

You know, the joy of the world cup, it's why I wrote the bloody book, man, is that when

it kicks off, it's like a global eclipse that strikes the entire planet for its duration.

And the memories it makes, which this is a book of memories, are so powerful because

the world cup is a mirror to the society that surrounds it.

I'll be honest, Dan, I've always thought that was an amazing thing.

When two teams take the field in World Cup play, you know, when the Red Sox, you know,

play the athletics, that's an amazing game of baseball.

It's like chess, we're chewing tobacco, but it is what it is.

But when two World Cup teams take the field, the nation's histories, the nation's politics,

the nation's cultures, take the field alongside them, that's what makes the tournament just

so much heft, so much emotional weight and all of that.

And that gives us true global connectivity.

I'm not going to lie, we're 100 days away.

The run up to the tournament has been chaotic.

You know, if it is a mirror to the world, what we're seeing in the reflection is, is ugly.

But that's kind of where we are.

It's like the joy of the thing has always been that reflects our reality.

And right now our reality is pretty chaotic.

It's not global connectivity, right?

I mean, where are we headed with this?

What do you imagine is going to happen where the messiness from outside of the stadiums

ends up inside of the stadiums?

God, I have the messiness, the Lionel messiness is what we need.

But I'd say number one, you know, I've come to realize that football, soccer,

there's a German coach, Jürgen Klopp, who says it's the world's most important, least important thing.

And I will say, to me, it's become ever more important.

The feelings we experience from it are all the more powerful because of the heft,

because of the weight, because of what it provides to the rest of the world.

And I will say, typically when the whistle goes, when the ball's kicked,

like the world, it's like the rationale falls away, the emotional kicks over.

It's cognitive dissonance, one, geopolitics, nil.

And every world cup down in the run up in the modern period, 2010 in South Africa,

all of the newspapers around the world were saying, you know, the level of crime there,

car jacking, everyone that goes is going to get assaulted at best, murdered at worst.

It was the most joyous world cup I've ever been to.

Nelson Mandela, Shadow over the whole thing, the continent of Africa rising up.

2014, you know, I was in riots in Brazil in the run up to that world cup.

The nation was full of unrest, social political unrest.

They wanted social services and education,

not the money to be pumped into it, world football.

The second that kicked off, it was a bullion.

2022 is another example in a different way, Qatar.

I mean, a chaos and darkness in the run up.

And again, for good and for bad, that cognitive dissonance kicks in.

So I do think by the time that ball drops, the US take the field, England take the field,

you know, Kazakhstan take the field,

there were going to be America loves a circus, the world loves a circus,

and everybody will kick in and there will be that global connectivity because we bloody need it.

Roger, are you sure, though, because those other examples you're talking about,

those are countries and continents that care about soccer.

The United States, I don't know that it can be accused of carrying that way.

What are you talking about, Dan?

What decade are we in? Is it 1960?

Are you like Jack Kemp taking to the floor of Congress in the 80s

when we're awarded the 94 world cup?

And you're like, soccer?

Well, he said, he said, I wrote about in my book,

Jack Kemp, the great quarterback, kind of great doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

He said, we need to teach America's youth to football is where you rush and run and throw and use your hands

and not where you kick it.

He said, one is American capitalism, the other is European socialism.

Dan, soccer was just the economist just revealed soccer is the third biggest sport in America.

I was just on what A-Rod's show and A-Rod kept saying,

when's he essentially asked me 10 questions, the same one?

It was like, when's his soccer thing going to take off?

I said, A-Rod, it's just be out baseball.

It's like, baseball's the fourth most popular sport, soccer's third.

He was like, go on.

I was like, I felt like I was saying that and I feel like to you and your listeners,

I feel like I'm like, guys, I know you think the earth is flat.

Stay with me here. It's round, man.

Football is already massive here, Dan.

You know it is. It is, it is, maybe number three.

You need the United States to be good at soccer.

We're never good at soccer.

With our women, kick ass, take names, baby.

We are so good, go medal, win the winners.

We perpetual, not last World Cup, but everyone before that.

We are gorgeous.

Yet on men, we invented the Kroner.

We put a man on the moon.

We've won one knockout game in our entire nation's history,

going all the way back to George Washington, bit embarrassing.

But God, football and sport is about eternal hope, Dan.

Get behind the lads.

All right, that's one positive spin for it.

I don't think this is DDA Dragway exactly stopping a civil war with the game of football.

But I really appreciate your hopefulness here.

Well, Roger, get some Kenny Powers energy behind this team.

You know what I mean?

You see Morocco go deep into the semi-final last time.

Iceland, 220,000 people went deep in the U.S. before that.

I do look at it, and I'm wonder, why never us?

Why never us?

I mean, you don't have to be good at football to go deep in this tournament.

You just need a little bit of magic.

So bloody hell, please make it.

I'd like to see the U.S. when the World Cup wants on the men's side of my lifetime, Dan.

Well, the home nation generally gets a little bit of bump, as you know.

Will that affect the U.S. hopes?

Like, what do you think the ceiling is for how well the U.S. team might do?

There is the greatest individual set of footballers we've ever had,

pound for pound, in terms of the teams they play on.

You know, the caliber of European team they play on.

Collectively, it's an unknown because we're hosting.

They didn't have to qualify.

They've not really been tested in the crucible of...

It's like they played essentially NFL preseason games

for the past year and a half, two years.

If you want me to be really honest for a second, I love this U.S. team.

I wrote about it in the book, how, you know, 94 when the men's World Cup was last year.

You know, just moved to America.

I'd never seen an American kick a soccer ball before.

They took the field in Stonewashed, Denny.

They had mullets.

They were chewing gum.

They had swagger.

And they kicked ass, and I fell in love with them immediately.

I know I sound like him from England, but a cheer for this U.S. team of all of my heart.

And the one thing that I do fear is we were darlings of football in the World Cup 2014 in Brazil.

Like, the world really loved the team, and they loved the fans.

I don't know if you remember, Clint Dempsey, who has a show with us now,

but that guy, Spirit, just a gunslinger,

who always fancy this chance is the candy spirit.

And the fans were, I mean, just everywhere in Brazil.

And the world loved us.

The thing I do worry about is that mirror to the world and who we are.

And last year, 2025, we played back-to-back games against Panama.

Their locker room talked about the canal.

And they beat us.

They wanted to absolutely beat the crap out of us.

And then we played Canada a couple of days later, the 51st State Brew Ha Ha.

And Canada wanted to wipe the floor with us.

And so we were the darlings.

We're definitely going to be a team that many, many, many, many, many, many,

thank God, Greenland don't qualify for the World Cup is, I guess what I'm saying.

Roger, you hosted American Fiasco about the 98 World Cup experience.

It was one of the best long form podcast series I had ever heard.

And I do think there are some comparisons with the promise of a couple of years ago

and a golden generation.

And then this team never really found its form.

Now, I know it's settled in a little bit more,

but are you afraid of a couple of years from now having to do a sequel to American Fiasco?

Look, in football, you need to know what you don't know.

And for that, I mean also the American owners.

You've got to remember down when you're talking about whether America cares about football,

the Premier League, the best league in the world is now the majority of teams are owned

for better or for worse by Americans.

And the ones that thrive watching Liverpool reborn under the Red Sox ownership,

Tom Werner and John Henry, when you speak to those guys,

they know what they don't know about the anarchical world of football.

And in that 98 World Cup, the World Cup is bloody hard to win.

Only like eight teams have ever won it in its existence

to go all the way through the tournament with supreme focus, a culture of belief

and that element of luck.

But in the US had not qualified since 1950.

They qualified in 1990 with a team essentially of college kids hilarious.

They were like tourists with good tickets.

They got a really close up view of the football as they got their ass kicked.

And then 94, they did fine.

We mystify them and say they were unbelievable.

They came third in their group, got into the next round.

July 4th, played against Brazil and lost valiantly.

So left with their heads held high.

And in 98, this is amazing American POV and I love it.

I admire it.

It's what drew me to this nation interviewing the players about that time.

One of them said the following to me, remember, World Cup bloody hard to win.

Everybody knows how hard it is apart from the Americans.

One of them said to me, 90, we showed the world we could qualify.

94, we showed the world we belonged.

98, we were going to go there and win it.

And of course, they got came rock bottom.

They were humiliated.

They actually got beaten by around one other.

I write about it in my book.

I mean, they're a loss that set the game back probably by about 20 years.

In this nation.

And that's the sad thing for me as someone that loves the rise of this game in this nation.

I mean, it's been the story of my life, the biography of my life.

America, when I came here in 94, was like space to capture the final frontier for the game.

We are now a true football-loving nation.

But the men's national team, we love a dream team in the United States.

And it remains a dream on team.

And please, God, it will change in my lifetime.

The book he has is out now.

We are the World Cup, a personal history of the world's greatest sporting event.

What are you expecting in terms of nations with drawing boycotts?

All of the fun that politics will bring.

You know, we've got to get Jake Tapper on the show.

Get me, Tapper, get Blitzer on.

Get Caitlin Collins on, and we'll go on the geopolitical tip.

There'll be, right now, the Iran question, the answer is nobody knows.

Iran have qualified for this World Cup.

It was incredible 36 hours after the weekend's news.

The head of the Iranian Football Association was already putting out a statement.

It's everything that was going on saying, we don't know if we'll be able to play in this World Cup.

It's an unprecedented situation.

Teams have pulled out of World Cups before India 1950,

because they didn't have the money to travel to the tournament.

Austria fit even darker reasons in the 30s, because they'd been annexed by Germany,

and so the Austrians played on the German team.

I crap you not.

Again, a mirror to the world that surrounds it.

So the Iran situation is unprecedented.

FIFA are trying to catch up.

The FIFA the organizing committee for the World Cup are trying to play catch up

with these fast-moving realities.

There's rumours that if they are not able to play,

Iraq would play instead, or the United Aberamour, so I have to say.

But in terms of the rest, there's been no conversation, no talk,

and a couple of footballers have ruminated publicly.

But again, once you get closer to this World Cup, it is crazy.

We saw it with Qatar.

There was a lot of rumenating in the run-up to that World Cup,

and then once that ball takes the field, once the Lionel Messi walks onto the field,

the world is mesmerized, the world is connected, and the footballers,

they dream of playing this tournament for their whole life.

And so once that goes, the tournament kicks off, and it's just...

I mean, it is that global eclipse in that moment.

Who do you expect among the host countries to go the furthest from Mexico, Canada, the US?

You're expecting the most from whom?

I'd love the US. Come on.

I mean, God, we need to...

Not hope. Not hope.

Not what are you hoping, Roger?

You can surely...

You can separate your emotion from your analysis.

Without emotion, I have nothing done.

I'm just a broken husk of a human being.

I am...

You remember, I'm dead inside.

The only reason I watch football,

because I feel emotions that you feel every day down,

like happiness, pain, sadness, triumph.

But without football, I am genuinely dead inside.

I tell you what is a fascinating storyline,

and I can't wait to watch it.

Is Canada, led by Jesse Marsh, this child of Wisconsin,

you know, a US stalwart as a player, an amazing human being.

I'm super fond of him, you know, quite outspoken, quite...

You know, he wanted to be the US coach.

He believed he was going to be the next US coach.

He was not the next US coach,

and then he just boom, became the Canadian coach,

and he's built this incredible collective,

they're young, they are multicultural,

they're a reflection of a very beautiful dynamic Canada.

You know, they are a...

When he lights the taper, they are a firework of a team.

Sometimes they're a damp squib,

but watching them in this world cup on home turf,

they've got their own narrative of, you know,

Canada becoming a deep football-loving nation,

just like ours.

You know, their prime minister is a massive football fan,

Mark Carnick, an enormous Premier League fan,

a huge Everton fan, which is the team I support.

They're essentially like the Mets, they're just pain,

an agony, they're a pleasure that hurts.

And so, watching Canada, I think,

trying to win over their nation parallel to us

will be dynamically beautiful.

He's an empty husk who's dead inside,

and he's written another book.

We are the world cup of personal history

of the world's greatest sporting event.

It's always nice talking to you,

always nice to have your insight, Roger.

Thank you.

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Stugats.

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Yeah.

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Do you guys have any opinions on Inter Miami?

Not with no parade, right?

There's a championship.

There was a championship.

And we don't get to celebrate it with Messi and Inter Miami,

but the White House,

that there's going to be a White House visit,

but not a parade.

So they're doing this wrong.

Yeah, it seems weird, right?

You're going to have a parade first.

And the parade should have been a month after the season ended.

They blew it.

And now they're going to the White House.

I just hope that they've learned,

Inter Miami has learned this lesson

from USA men's hockey to not get too chummy

and do anything that's going to blow up in their face.

I want to be too hopeful there.

The parade point is a good one

because the sports fan answered to a team

making a big deal of deciding whether or not

to go to the White House is, well, it's tradition.

So is having a championship parade

and they went to an Indian tour instead,

like Messi tour to India.

There wasn't, like, so we are beholden

to this championship celebration tradition,

but not the more traditional one.

This story actually made me look up.

Like, how often did this happen?

Because I remembered the Golden State Warriors

and it was a big deal because they were the first team

to kind of break that tradition,

but then it became fairly commonplace.

Now I know there was a pandemic in the middle of that,

but the Eagles in 2018 decided not to go.

I had forgotten entirely that the Georgia Bulldog said,

no thanks, Joe Biden, we won't be attending.

And in this world where there is a headline

that'll blow you out of the newspapers every 12 hours,

I don't see this being such a huge blowback

and look, this is an international team,

so it is a little bit different.

This is not even though it's an American champion

and they have a proud Cuban American owners,

which I do think matters in terms of this decision,

they're not totally beholden to this.

I'm curious to see how this falls on David Beckham

because I actually think he stands to lose the most here.

Given how unpopular, look, Trump is super unpopular

in this country, he's even more unpopular in his country

and David Beckham bringing his class

and credibility into that White House

is being seen in a photo op in this time in history.

I think it's going to be most difficult

for him to navigate.

Messi has had all sorts of endorsement deals

with different countries, he's like Ronaldo.

No one projects morality onto Messi.

He's almost bigger than anything,

like he can be, he's been shaking everybody's hand.

That's been a world leader over the last 20 years.

But I am curious to see how this plays out for Beckham.

I am a little disappointed, everyone knows my feelings

on the matter, I understand why they're doing it.

I would say it's a little bit different,

but I'm really interested in seeing

what happens with Beckham.

Isn't the reason why, I feel like the reason

why they never did a parade was they didn't think

it'd be well attended and I think they'd probably have it right.

I think it was the Indian tour.

If you say Messi is going to be celebrating a championship,

Messi is such a star that I do think it would be well attended

because everybody would want a glimpse of Messi

even though he plays in Fort Lauderdale,

depending on where they have that,

do you imagine a championship celebration in Dorao?

I think that people would have turned up for it.

I think he had contractual obligations,

hopped on a bird and did this Indian tour

and that was that.

I don't know, you say that,

but everyone would show up to see Messi.

It wasn't like tickets were super hot this past season

to show up and see Messi play soccer.

I feel like it was all over the United States.

It wasn't in Fort Lauderdale where they were gouging you.

I don't know about the gouging.

Tickets weren't that expensive this past season.

It was pretty affordable to go to these games

and I feel like the excitement, it kind of wore off.

I think part of it is because intermime does a horrendous job

when it comes to promotion.

I am interested to see what happens with this new stadium.

The getting price for the new stadium kickoff game.

First game is a lot.

It's a lot, but the second game happens to that.

It's very affordable, yeah.

Also with a parade, that gives opportunity

from people from California Nevada

to come to the parade and gather versus going to the game

in Fort Lauderdale.

So people like free stuff, man.

Free celebrations are things that are attended.

Winners get crowds.

I don't think the parade would have drawn hundreds

of thousands of people.

I think it might have drawn 10,000, but that's enough.

You have to have a parade.

You know, bestow a parade upon your most loyal fans.

They expect it, they deserve it.

I think you're right that it would have drawn something

like 10,000 and that's an extremely portion.

I mean, we didn't really care about, I mean, maybe Mike did,

but like we didn't mention the parade until this.

Now that they're going on the white,

I mean, I feel like we're kind of slow.

I was waiting for the parade and then it just didn't come

and I was confused by the absence of a parade.

Yeah, I was waiting for it too and it went to India.

You can't tell me, you guys think, look,

I know South Florida has this reputation.

You guys think a champion messie is going to be going

through free streets, our streets here

that are this Hispanic and people wouldn't be going

to a parade?

That thing will look like free, and he got there,

but I promise you, it may not have been

like your traditional parade, but they could have had

like, hey, come celebrate with this team and like,

I don't know, downtown Doral.

Like they could have had a championship celebration.

You guys.

The big three team had a championship celebrate.

You guys are really underestimating how Latin people

like to get out there with their pots and pans

to celebrate anything that's for free.

Are you guys bad sports city?

I feel, man, Juju went to Unrival the other night,

which is, you know, women's three on three

that just sold out Barclays Center over 18,000 people.

They only had less than 10 days in order

to buy those tickets and sell out.

We didn't know that the semi-finals were even going to be there

until just last week.

And we go to the soundstage.

And me and Juju were the only ones in their cheering.

And I thought to myself, is this a Miami thing?

Trista, go tell Unrivaled.

How about you lower the price a little bit?

I checked the prices for those games down here.

Free stuff.

Is way too expensive.

Lower the price low.

Unrivaled.

Lower the price.

Unrivaled too expensive.

Inner Miami not gouging.

I just want to get, I want to make sure I have this straight

from Zazlow, where he thinks there's an affordable

messy ticket in town.

I think he is less willing to pay for women's sports

than he gets.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

What an accusation.

That is an accusation.

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but I did offer you to talk to Kristen

and get your free credential.

And you said, we'll see.

OK, hold on.

I was working.

You went on Saturday night.

And I also offered Wednesday.

I know.

And I'm busy.

See?

Sexist.

You're, you're, you're stories are holding up.

I hate to be, I hate to be that girl.

It seemed like you enjoyed being that girl.

And it seemed like you really trapped them.

You cornered them with an assortment of options.

And now it's just I'm busy that Wednesday.

Without us going on with the WNBA and the CBA,

here's how Unrival's revenue breakdown this season was.

In merchandise, they made $4 million,

which is a 100% increase from last year.

The ticket and they made $5 million.

The total revenue was $45 million, a 66% increase.

I mean, I think they're thriving.

They found an avenue.

They do have a bit of a campus near the airport,

which is not something that you ever see down here in South Florida.

They built a city for these women to have a concentrated area

where they have, it's a city.

It's just a, it's a campus where they can play and,

and really challenge the WNBA.

You've got to think, even though they're different seasons

and timing, you've got to think that Unrival'd

would be possibly rooting for a work stoppage in the WNBA

to get stronger as a lead.

Well, remember that was a theory when the Fisa Collier

got up there with her whole speech about Kathy Angover.

She's the worst leader in the history of the world.

And part of the theory there was, yeah, well, you know,

she and her husband, there's like an ownership state they have

in this other league if the WNBA has a work stop.

That was a theory.

How can Unrival'd continue to be a success

when they play in front of, what is it, 800 fans?

Oh, it's a tele, it's for television.

I know. It's made for television.

They don't, you don't sports in general, Greg,

don't need fans to attend the games anymore.

No, it just needs to be a teller.

Actually, it's a sound stage is what it is.

Yeah, but it's sad though, right?

I would say you're both right.

Yes, it is sad to attend something

where I feel that there are maybe fans

that aren't real sports fans that are in high levels

of attendance that are not passionate about all sports.

But number two, they went to Philly.

They sold out that arena.

They went to New York.

They sold out that arena.

It's a nice problem.

It is kind of a nice problem.

It's a sound stage problem.

It's a pricing problem.

You could take this thing on the road, baby.

Go to all different MBA arenas all season long.

Say we get a work stoppage on rival that said,

hey, we could blow this thing out to five on five.

We could blow this thing out to more teams.

We could just keep going.

We're set up for that.

I think the thing that Jews who pointed out though

that is really important that I don't know if David Samson

has any information to share with us on is,

listen, we got some revenue numbers in the second year.

I don't see any transparency with the numbers for the WMBA,

which actually is a violation

of the National Labor Relations Act.

Exactly.

The WMBA going end up tricking themselves out the streets

because as they're growing, the Unrival League,

which it is 18,000 fans last night showed up in Brooklyn.

The blueprint has been put out by the big three.

Let's show you this thing can work.

Ice Cube Salute, let's go West Side.

Bro, this thing can work.

And I think that the Unrival League

is putting so much more pressure on them CBA meetings

than it would have actually been without them.

So I think that Unrival might be,

I didn't talk to anybody, I don't know anything,

but if you got stock to buy, if you got some free money,

I would invest in the Unrival League.

You know about that tricking yourself off the street then?

You know about that National Labor Relations Act?

You know about that West Side Greg?

West Side?

Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I've been there.

You've been there.

Just got back from Vegas.

That's not really what he's talking about.

Look further West in there.

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Let's go places.

Don Levitard.

Billy, somebody is written in here.

I need way more.

I'm sorry.

I just said in his headset,

haven't you been to all of them too?

It sounded like you was picking a lot.

My bad.

Totally on me.

That's 100% on me.

All right.

Stu gots.

But that goes without saying that it couldn't happen.

Well, he said he didn't say that he couldn't get that.

Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg, Greg, yeah.

Greg, he apologized.

Greg, sincerely.

This is the Don Levitard show with the Stu Gats.

I want to come up with it to you guys here.

What NBC and Peacock are doing tonight?

We are on Peacock.

We're on NBC Sports now every day, 12 to 3 p.m. Eastern.

And they're doing a throwback.

And I wonder when they do John Tesch,

and they do some of the nostalgia

that they're doing with basketball,

that's tailored to my demo and Greg Cody's demo.

When they have Hannah Storm and Mike Frattello and Bob Costas

and just a different time in basketball coverage

when NASCAR's champion Michael Jordan

was ruling all of sports.

I want to play a clip for you of Pat Riley.

I wonder how many people know or remember

that when Pat Riley was out of coaching for a while,

he went and did television with Bob Costas

and he did it really poorly.

Pat Riley talks about how Bob Costas had to coach him up,

how starched he was.

He was not good at television, but he was very presidential.

He was very slick, obviously.

Let's play a clip as Peacock and NBC

celebrate the old times tonight.

Here's Bob Costas and Pat Riley.

OK, the Chicago Bulls trying to get even

before we head back to Los Angeles with the lead

of 48-43 at halftime.

Well, ladies and gentlemen, this, I guess,

is what some of you have been waiting for.

And I must say that I am tremendously disappointed.

This is what I labored all season for.

Pat Peacock.

Apparently, this gunk has been so trained in your head

that even when you blow dry, all we get is this.

I mean, look, what's your deal?

It looks too far.

That's pretty good.

I mean, I've got it.

But we ought to really, I have something

to say right at the end of this analysis.

And then if we get into the analysis,

then we'll see what it really looks like.

You got a brush in your pocket or what?

I got one right here, Robert.

Well, America demands to see it right now.

Well, right at the end of the analysis,

we're going to get a good climb job, OK?

We'll go to this commercial break.

You want to get the one more try?

It moves. It really doesn't move.

It really doesn't.

I'm doing the very best I can.

Oh, wait.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

That's what we want to say.

OK.

That's what we want to say right there.

Right now, yeah.

Now we do it.

Yeah.

That's about it.

That's it.

Well, ladies and gentlemen,

it's certainly one of the proudest moments of my career.

We've got to call it time now.

After this, an update for the French Open.

And then we'll complete the starting five.

The North Carolina's 1982 NCAA championship team.

I'm sure for the audio audience,

the chemistry was just off the charts, too.

Awkward.

Really awkward.

How about that score?

48.43 at the half.

Jeez.

I don't make them like that anymore.

Zazlow, how do you feel about going into the nostalgia

bucket for this stuff?

Love it.

Look, they're smart.

Who doesn't love nostalgia?

You're watching that, bro.

I love young people.

Well, OK.

But there's also a major demographic that has money.

That loves nostalgia.

And I loved everything about that clip.

Bob Costas was so young there.

I loved seeing Riley, the music, the grep.

They're going full on with those graphics tonight, NBA on NBC.

I'm into that broadcast tonight.

I am, too, and I'm surprised with everybody

so hungry for content now.

I'm surprised they don't do the nostalgia thing more often.

For example, I would listen to, at least

part of an NFL game with Howard Cosell and Don Meredith.

You know what I'm saying?

That would be amazing, given that they're both dead.

Right.

A miracle.

Right.

But I mean, a replay of them back in the day.

I don't think you're going to watch this.

I don't think you can find this.

I don't think that you know how to find peacock on your television.

Isn't it NBC?

It's peacock.

What NBC is NBC?

Got six.

I don't know.

I asked my wife.

Channel six.

I'll ask for it.

And so that's where it'll end.

And then you'll be in the garage having beer, not watching.

Now I'll bring my beer into the house.

You've got lucky this time, but years.

Two minutes of it.

Watch two minutes of it.

You'll walk by.

I will wax nostalgic.

There is a news item.

Because when I saw the list of people there,

I was like, oh, I'm into this.

But there was one name I was scanning for.

And I didn't see.

And then I was just waiting for him to react to being omitted.

Oh, I know you're talking about.

Come on.

I know you're talking about that.

Zaz, you know about that.

Everybody hates him, though.

Everybody hates him.

Dan, you know about that Peter Vessi?

Yeah.

Everyone dislikes Peter Vessi.

Right.

And I know that.

So just let's put that lightning rod in the middle of it.

Because he is so cranky.

Has it like was one in his heyday when he was a huge part of that show.

I would love to throw him in there.

Didn't Michael Jordan say terrible things about him in his speech?

Yes, exactly.

Do you realize how hated you had to be for somebody in a Hall of Fame speech to point you out

and talk shit about you?

Yeah.

But when that person is Michael Jordan, you kind of understand.

He seems pretty petty with it.

Michael Jordan's was among the angriest Hall of Fame speeches I've ever heard.

He wasn't even celebrating it.

It was just sort of taking out all of his doubters and Peter Vessi.

When it comes to what's happening in basketball at present, last night, trade young gets

ejected from a game before he's actually played for the Wizards.

What are you shaking your head about?

It's just hilarious.

It's so trade young.

It's like, is it way to introduce yourself?

How is it so trade young to be ejected before you've played your first wizard game?

One of the bad boys.

That's one of the reasons he's no longer in Atlanta is that they got tired of his act.

His act was not playing defense.

Yeah.

And a bad hairline.

Other than that.

I know what I know.

Not exactly like Ron Artes.

What do you know?

What do you even know the details of what he did to get ejected?

He was arguing a call, right?

One of his, like two of his guys got like cheap shot at and he was like arguing, like defending

his players like to the refs, like, why are you not calling that?

Okay.

And then he got thrown, right?

Classic trade young.

He was defending his teammates, though.

Okay.

He's not even in the game.

You don't do that in the bench?

Well, I'd say, actually, I would say that if you're going to punish trade young in

that situation, you make him stay there and watch the Wizards play.

Well, he didn't do it in a bench.

You ran out into the court.

That's why you got to do it.

He got ejected before going on to the court.

He's actually expected to make his wizard's debut finally this week.

Right.

True crime was letting the spittle stick in his beard while he was arguing.

Get out of here.

I'm ejecting you.

I don't care.

I'm a vomit.

Do you guys think it's actually bad if your trade young to be sent away from there early

and you don't have to spend any more time watching the game?

You could just, I don't think you have to stay around after that.

If you get it, if you get ejected from the bench.

Capital one worst arena in all of the NBA by far.

It is a best by at best, very blaring best by a collagen lamps, terrible crowd.

I would want to be out of there if I was trading as well.

It does make me laugh when I hear heat fans complain about the present state of the heat

and I look at an organization like that playing in a warehouse where you can hear all of

the speaker and the DJ because there's no bodies for it to bounce off the care about

anything.

I imagine the history of the wizards is so profoundly bad that I really don't think

it's a penalty to send him away early from that game.

I think if my dad saw the clip of what, because like one of his teammates got like run over

and they just weren't calling anything.

I feel like if you saw the plays leading up to it, you would be like, I see why he's

arguing there.

Those.

He knows what he knows.

He doesn't need more information.

Not just about this in life.

He's done.

Greg Cody is done accumulating information.

He knows what he knows and that information either supports his belief for us to be rejected.

Bulletin in the NBA, if you're on the bench and you run onto the court, yet tend to be

punished for it.

I don't know if Trey Young didn't know that, but if I, if I'm a wizard fan, all excited

about getting Trey Young and this is how he introduces, are we still doing bulletins like

bulletin?

I do.

You're just announced bulletin.

Put it on the poll, Elevitar show, do you know what a bulletin is?

Nostalgia night on peacock.

He won't be watching.

He can't find it.

Find it.

He won't be watching.

He can't find it.