The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Marna by Jason Hauger

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It's an amazing man on the show and talk to him at his book called Marna.

October 15th, 2025, Jason Hogger is joining us on the show today.

We're going to talk about his books and some of the things he has going on.

Welcome to show Jason. How are you?

I'm doing fine. Thanks for having me on the show, Chris Vos.

It's a pleasure and an opportunity to be here to able to showcase my wonderful title.

I just got back from the London book fair and it was an amazing experience.

It was the first time getting my book published, time doing a book signing, and first time in London.

So it was just fantastic.

Yeah, congratulations.

So give us any comms, websites, social media, wherever you want people to find out more about you on the interwebs.

Okay, you can find me on my Patreon at Marna Adventure series.

I also have a website that should be an author page ready by the end of this month.

It's going to be marnaadventures.com.

And then I also have a go fund me called help Jason Hogger animate Marna's magical world.

Give us a 30,000 of you. What's in this book, Marna?

Okay, so Marna is about a lonely boy who discovers a magical girl with butterfly wings.

A character from a world that wants to cage a wonder learning that the greatest act of friendship is sometimes letting go.

And tell us about these characters.

I mean, they look kind of selfish or wasn't Japanese sort of thing.

Japanese anime or Japanese style.

It's a very popular medium for the younger generation.

I've always enjoyed it as a teenager all the way up into adult and stuff.

It's one of my favorite medias.

And you made merchandise for that for the book and stuff, right?

Yes, I did. I can show you real quick.

Yeah, right here. We have the nice little lovely stand here.

And that's going to go about $30 because it's not cheap to make.

I wish it was, but it's very lovely.

You put tea light candles.

Oh, my social media. It looks amazing.

And this is what the ladies are really excited about.

Check this out.

We have the tote bag.

It's got all the four designs, Marna, the different states of the life,

kid, teenager, adult princess, and then mother also have key chains.

And the key chain art design has this one in particular is the princess design front and back is the designs on it.

And then I also have the trademark logo.

If you could see right there is the trademark logo.

And I was excited to get my trademark just to lock in the brand because it's more than just a storyline.

But it's also a brand, of course, and I have lovely bookmarks.

And the bookmarks all come with these amazing castles.

You can see right here on the merchandise.

And this is the actual book that will look like the paperback volume.

And a bookmark, one of my favorite pictures in here.

And this is going to be the butterfly garden from the Henry Goliath Zoo without saying Henry Goliath Zoo.

But when you live in Omaha, you will recognize it immediately just by the prescription alarm.

Oh, wow.

It's got all the merch.

He's got the book and the merch.

We have the show and you have the book.

Good job.

I also have.

I also have a screenplay and screenplay treatment that I did myself.

Then I went to explore a book and then they went and did a professional touch up.

It is done by a talented Steve Sanchez.

You may know him from the pirates of the Caribbean.

If you remember the very last one, he was one of the non-speaking roles.

He was one of the conquistadors.

So when I had a Zoom call meeting with him, I immediately recognized him.

I was like, oh, I know who he is.

It's like, yeah, one of the conquistadors.

So we had a great time.

We shot some ideas back and forth.

And then he went and just touched it up beautifully.

I could see the difference between my amateur version versus his professional.

And I'm learning a lot just from looking at that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Give us the background on this story.

How did it come about?

What was the development?

Is there more than one book, etc.

Okay.

So when the start decades ago when I was in the first grade, I was a little kid.

My teacher gives us a creating writing project.

And it was only going to be about one page.

And I was going to read it to the classroom.

By the time I got done reading the story, all the girls absolutely loved the story so much,

they were drawing the pictures of the butterfly girl.

And then when I was done with the story, they were handing you the pictures.

I had my own fan art, even back then.

And I wish I had all the pictures.

I wish I had a original manuscript from 40 years ago, but that's a long time to hold on to anything.

So then later on as an adult, I went to the beautiful tropical island of Bonaire.

And that's a duck silent 50 miles north of Venezuela.

Absolutely gorgeous island.

So I'm walking on this tropical paradise with flowers and lush green and palm trees.

And then I see monarch butterflies all over the place.

More monarch butterflies that I have seen in years.

And then the memory just came back to me.

And then I was like, the story, it just came to me.

And I had a journal with me.

I was just going to write some poetry, maybe some songs.

No, I opened it up and I started writing the story right then and there.

So you can imagine sitting on the beach, you got these gentle waves just hitting the shoreline

with the beautiful white sand, the boats in the background, the cell boats, the seagulls.

It was just a beautiful back scape.

It almost reminded you of a corona commercial.

No one.

Oh, yes.

This is the best atmosphere to do any kind of writing.

It's a nice escape.

And then after I got done writing the story, I went back to the States and I read it to my test reader.

My test reader is my best friend's stepdaughter.

He ended up getting married to this lovely lady.

And she had two kids already.

One was a special needs.

And the younger sister was my test reader.

She was 12 at the time.

So I read her the story.

She absolutely loved it.

She really, really loved it.

And then I went and I shelfed the book for a while because it was just a hobby.

It was just for fun, you know.

And then one day I find out that my father-in-law ends up getting terminal cancer.

It was a deliver and it spread.

It metastasized and it was terminal and it was very painful.

And I was sitting at his bedside and asked therapy.

I started writing the sequel.

Oh, really?

Yes.

For me, and I'm pretty sure to work for a lot of other people when you're going through hard times.

Yeah.

Like creating stuff, writing stories, drawing pictures, creating music.

That is a great way to help you cope with pain and loss that you might be going through.

So if you're struggling, just get into a book, get into some markers or something, do something.

That's my advice.

Anyways, back to the story.

So I started writing the sequel and unfortunately he passed away before the first act was finished.

So then I take the same story because I know my test reader is going to love it.

I read it to her.

Not only that you love it, but I left her on the cliffhanger.

And she's, oh my god, is he going to survive?

Does he make it?

I said we're just going to have to find out when I write more of my story.

So she was just on the edge of her seat.

You know, wanting to know more of the story.

It's good.

Then time goes by.

I'm writing the story and then more bad news.

I found out that her mother ended up getting breast cancer.

I was like, oh no, not this again.

I've been writing.

So I feel that this might be therapeutic to other people that might be going to things to kind of help them get their mind off the pain of reality.

Just for a moment.

I dive into a story and just enjoy the beauty of the moment.

So I made it a goal to finish the story by the end of the year.

So 150 pages later.

It's almost three to five times longer than my original book.

And so I read it to her.

And not only did she love that, she, she went and told me, hey, this needs to be a movie.

This is really good.

This needs to be a movie.

And then I was like, oh, thank you for believing in me.

But you know what that means?

I'm going to have to publish my first book.

Oh, my God, that's my favorite book.

And then here we are.

I started the process of getting edited.

I got a copyrighted.

And two weeks later, a publisher comes ringing on my phone.

And then it was Doranson publishing.

So I decided to publish to them.

And then as I'm going through the working in progress with Doran's publishing,

I started scouting for artists because I wanted to pick the artists.

I want to have somebody that I know that can bring martyrs alive.

I have a vision.

And I want to find the right person that could bring that vision to life.

So I went and scouted all over my local conventions.

A lot of artists were busy.

I went to Planet Con in Kansas City.

A lot of artists were either too busy or they're too expensive.

So then I found a lead.

And it took me to the site called vgen.co.

And then I stumbled upon two amazing artists.

The first one was Nara Farrow.

And she's from Indonesia.

And she does all the illustrations.

So the book cover and even the back and all the illustrations in there.

It's all from her.

And she did an amazing job.

And then I had a second artist and she's from the UK.

And she, I know her work was really good and she said,

hey, I can do this in a timely fashion.

I went to art school.

I will definitely be worth the money.

I'm like, okay.

I was thinking I didn't give her the gig for the illustrations.

But what can I do?

Oh, yeah.

I need a trademark.

So she's the one who did my trademark art.

And this right here, the art for my trademark.

Isn't that gorgeous?

Yeah.

And now you've got the book out and you're out promoting it.

Oh, yes.

I started off by going to my local conventions.

I made paper bookmarks.

And I was handing them out all over the place.

I even went to the celebrity guests.

And I handed them out my bookmark.

And then I stumbled across the lady who played Barcy

and married with children.

Oh, yeah.

You remember the nosing her?

Yeah, ran into her.

Absolutely lovely lady.

And she was really impressed with the artwork.

She liked the idea of the story.

And then she advised me to check out main spring books.

And I went and I did something kind of bold.

I went and took the bookmark and I signed it for her.

And she told on to this because if this ever launches,

and this becomes really good,

that bookmark's going to be super valuable because it's the first.

It's before the trademark logo.

It's before everything.

Yeah.

So the characters in the book, I believe David is described as lonely

and searching for real connection.

What made you want to explore childhood loneliness in a fantasy story?

Because I've personally experienced it as a child.

And I've been looking for everybody has.

Or they're lonely.

And they're looking for that good friend to help them along the way.

Sometimes, unfortunately, when you're a lonely kid,

that makes you susceptible to bullying.

And I made the character stand up to his bully for the first time.

And then he was rewarded by discovering an amazing friend

through Marna Xem.

This friend was magical and they're able to fly around

and go in adventures.

And he was able to show her what it's like to be a kid

because she doesn't have family.

She's lonely as well.

So two lonely kids, they meet each other

and then become the greatest of friends.

And the bully seems to be the feature

that unlocks the whole adventure.

Why was courage the doorway into magic for this story?

Courage to do the right thing is basically what it is

because sometimes doing the right thing isn't easy.

It's got a lot of peer pressure going against you.

It's like swimming against the current.

But sometimes you've got to find that inner strength

to help you fight against that current and do the right thing.

And then in the long run, amazing things happen.

Great opportunities will open before you.

It's like the universe, like here's your answer.

And another great story and message in the story

is that the bully finally turns around

and decides to say he's sorry.

And then that's where courage comes back again.

The courage to be able to forgive that said bully

when he finally admits his wrong

and he's willing to do the right thing.

And basically being able to help him do the right thing

by forgiving him and not holding on to that spite or that anger

because it doesn't help you out inside.

And besides, you can find some amazing friends.

Yeah. I mean, very good lesson.

Hate and anger and bitterness and revenge.

They do more damage to us than the dust

that people may were thinking about.

There's a quote that concises that correctly.

I can't think of.

But you know, Marna has butterfly wings,

which is a pretty vivid image.

What does Marna represent to you symbolically?

Is there a similar there?

Yes. In essence, Marna is about...

Marna is in essence about Marna butterfly conservation.

Like when I was a kid, I looked outside

and my mom's flower garden,

there was Marna butterflies everywhere.

Oh, okay.

You could see five butterflies at one time.

And then as I grow an adult,

I rarely see them.

There's some years where I would never see a Marna butterfly for years.

And then you start hearing the unfortunate news that they're in danger.

They might be going extinct.

Anyway, this book helps bring awareness to the Marna butterfly

because we need to protect them.

We need to conserve them for future generations to enjoy.

And there are several steps that you can take.

One step is making sure that you have weed in your yard.

And if you have milk weed in your yard, do not cut it down.

It might be an ugly plant,

but it is essential for their caterpillars to eat that plant.

You pay to become a butterfly.

It's literally the only thing they can eat.

And then as an adult,

and this also applies to a lot of other pollinating insects like wild bees

and other types of moths and butterflies.

Make sure that not only plant flowers,

but you plant many varieties of flowers.

So throughout the year,

you have different bloom spouts in different weeks.

So then they're not starving throughout the year.

They have plants that they can return to in your garden year after year.

And then of course,

this beautiful look at your kids are going to love it

and appreciate just the small wonders of life.

And then finally,

and this is I stress is very important,

is try not to spray the poisons and pesticides and insecticides

because in the farmland,

they spray poisons all over the place.

In the commercial area,

they cut the grounds to like a golf course,

and then they spray it full of poisons.

So that's another area they can't go.

So then if they go into the residential areas,

and they spray that too,

then we're also they're going to go.

They really have no place to go outside of parks,

and parks ain't enough to preserve these butterflies.

So we have to do our part

and set up these safe havens,

and like the,

the Heliodole Zoo has what is known

as a Monarch Butterfly Way Station.

And of course,

you can lift that up to monarch butterflywaystation.com

and you'll be able to find the steps you can do.

And some people can even get certified

and have a nice little sign

that they could put in a yard.

In fact, my mother-in-law had,

has a Monarch Butterfly Way Station

because I did the book.

Hmm, that's wonderful.

Now is Monarch short for monarch?

Yes.

For a variation of it.

Yeah.

After variation,

there's just funny thing.

As originally,

I was going to title the book Flutterby,

kind of like a play on words,

like butterfly,

it's called Flutterby.

But then I researched the name,

and then there's somebody

that already is using that name.

And I'll think,

what could I call the book?

Oh, yeah.

I'll use the main character's name,

Marna.

And it just works really good.

It's short.

It's simple.

It's easy to remember.

And then I was able to make the log line look beautiful

with the lace on the bottom.

The black with the polka dots near the bottom.

Yeah.

Orange.

And then the asymmetric black line

on the left side of the lettering.

Yeah.

So it has that look and feel like a Monarch Butterfly.

Ah, cool.

Now, they're David and Marna.

They're different beings.

But, you know,

one's basically human.

The other one's a butterfly.

Tell us about that.

Why did you choose to show there?

As a teenager,

I was inspired by a lot of Ghibli films.

And in Ghibli,

there's always that magical element.

And you got those slow moments in life

that you just sit and pause

and enjoy the beauty.

Like in a Ghibli film,

they might show a scene where it's just grass flowing

in a field.

It's peaceful and serene.

And it just gives you

and it encapsulates the beauty of that world

without having to explain the entire thing.

You can just see it.

You can feel it.

And you got these grand adventures

where it's a normal,

mundane, boring life.

And then they run into

something magical

which takes them out of their comfort zone,

flies them into another world,

flies them into a whole new adventure.

And then

they just, either they,

sometimes they survive,

they learn,

they grow as a character.

And that's what I wanted to

encapsulate in my stories.

With these stories,

I mean, why do you like writing

for children's books?

What do you find

is great about that target audience?

I wanted to be able to write a story

where anybody can enjoy,

no matter how young or how old,

because it's got the beauty and magic

that a kid can love.

However,

it's got the complexity

where even adults can enjoy.

Yeah.

Adults can enjoy.

What a wonderful thing.

And now there's a part in the book.

We always don't want to talk about the middle

and then part of novels.

So I'm not sure if getting into

an illness that happens in the book.

Are we getting too far into the book

and disclosing too much?

No, it's on the back.

It's on the back of the book.

You know,

eventually something's going to happen.

Yeah, you have to,

I think, rescue somehow.

Do you want to flesh that out

and then tell us,

he's a little bit out to us in a book

and kind of how the doctors act

is kind of the parents

and maybe I don't know if they're protagonist

or protagonist.

Yeah, they're kind of the doctors

and the doctors,

not doctors,

but the doctor in this,

in particular,

is kind of a antagonist,

but not in the mean kind of way,

because he thinks

that he's doing the right thing.

He wants to discover what makes her tick.

He wants to analyze her

and figure out if there's a way that

she can benefit mankind.

But it's not benefiting her

in the long run.

So then,

and she's got a short window of time

because she needs to return back to the magic.

So that's when David

has to team up with his bully

and he was the match that she gives him

and the eight of few other side characters,

one being Tiger Bossam

and the other one being Black Lotus

and then they all team up together

to rescue Marna

from the head doctor.

And then, of course,

the story comes full circle,

but I'm not going to explain it too much.

You're going to have to find out yourself

what happens.

That makes that story come full circle.

Well, surprise.

So wonderful stuff for the books

and now there's,

you mentioned them as,

might be a sequel.

Is there a sequel?

How does that work?

Anything else?

There is a sequel.

It will be coming out later this year.

I need to work a little more on the designs.

I need to get my artist working on it.

But it's a process.

The book is going to be called

Marna Book 2, Kissed by a Mantis.

Oh!

The trilogy,

when I wrote it, was so long,

that I have to split it up in the three parts.

I have to,

because in order to get that small book format

and be able to fit eight illustrations in there,

there's no way eight illustrations

can justify the entire 154-page document.

It's just not enough.

It'll be just too much important stuff in there.

So I split up in the three

and it's just going to be an amazing venture.

All new characters

for those authors

and creative writers that like the Anyangram,

I try to make a character

that matches one of each Anyangram

and throw them in the story.

Just so they're not all the same,

they all have their own struggles,

they all have their own misbeliefs,

they all have their fears and desires.

That just makes them them.

It makes them unique.

They have their own character voice.

Just stuff that you can look forward to

in reading a fantasy adventure.

For those people who don't know,

I'm not sure if we're announcing this correctly.

Anyangram?

Okay. Anyangram

is basically the nine personality types.

Oh.

And I could explain them as I explain each character.

For instance,

the new protagonist in this story

is Daven the Bulley.

So this is basically his character growth arc.

And you could see that he still has a lot of growing.

Even though he's friends with David

and he's a lot nicer now.

He's not perfect.

No one is.

And he's still young.

He's still got a lot of growth

and somewhere in this great kind of reviews

why he is the way he is at some point.

You just will have to discover it as read along.

But his personality is the type eight.

He's a challenger.

He likes to put heads with people.

And it tends to make him a bully.

But that's what it is like for your Anyangram eats.

And then he ends up running into this mysterious girl in green.

So the set up,

the backstory for that one or backdrop

is that he ends up getting shrunk and down real small.

The movie, Honey, I shrunk the kids.

Yeah.

We'll be right back in the day.

He gets shrunk and that's small.

And he gets plunged in the world of the insects.

And he has to survive.

In fact, the beginning line of that book

that kissed by a mantis goes like this.

In the insect world,

female is queen.

So that is your,

that is the opening line for that book.

He runs into this mysterious girl in green.

Doesn't know that she's secretly a mantis.

She wants to gain his trust

because she wants to lure him

to where the magic is the strongest,

eat him and absorb his power.

So she can finally gain her mother's approval.

This is like some of my relationships.

Yeah.

It's kind of like a warning for the mantis readers.

Watch out for the mantis.

She acts like she could be your friend,

but secretly,

she wants to eat you alive.

I have great access.

They're wonderful.

Tia is a type two any gram.

So she's a helper.

And as a helper,

she feels like she's not worthy of love.

She wants to look for that approval

that her mother has never given her.

Her mother is a type one.

So the type one is the perfectionist.

But she's not the nice kind of perfectionist.

She's the tyrant perfectionist.

Think of mommy dearest on steroids.

Absolutely brutal.

That's a serious Joan Crawford right there.

So she wants to gain her mother's approval

and her misbelief is if she eats them,

gains his power,

she'll get her approval.

So...

Man eater.

And literally, man eater.

That's viral.

That's viral.

Well, John, that's what say.

Yeah.

She's a man eater.

Google it.

Her title, because she's a princess,

she's the known as the sage princess.

And her mother is the queen of shade.

Whoa.

Yes.

And they're the ones that are most terrifying in that world.

Even more so than the main antagonist.

Sounds like somebody's mother-in-law.

Yes, let's get her mother-in-law.

However, in how the book is designed,

it's going to be more like the enemies to lovers,

slow burn romance.

So they don't fall in love right away.

So the first book is not happening.

Yeah.

It's going to have to wait till the third book

and see what happens.

Yeah.

Came back from Thailand once with the slow burn,

but that's a different story.

I wrote that one beautifully just right off the cuff.

There you go.

I don't know what that means, kids.

So anyways, also doing a pinch of a love triangle,

but not enough to make it annoying.

So one of the characters that...

Which Evan runs into is an ant princess.

This ant princess is a type four she's creative,

but she ends up being over emotional,

over petty things sometimes.

As a princess is a lot of times, you know?

I know.

If the princess any a gram,

or like Anna Greengables,

they're the idealist.

So anyways, she's surrounded by girls everywhere,

just all over the place,

just one big colony of ladies everywhere.

And then she sees Gavin,

the first boy she's ever seen,

immediately has a crush on him.

Why?

First boy she's ever seen.

You know,

when it's also going to find another boy.

So you have that little bit of a tug between

he trying to gain his trust in her,

having a crush on Gavin.

So it's an interesting dynamic.

And another interesting fun loving character,

I call her speedy, the jumping spider.

She's like the little kid sister he never had.

She's a type nine.

So type dines are laid back.

They like the harmony and peace in the environment.

They do not like drama at all.

In fact, they'll do their best to diffuse any kind of drama.

But when they're diffusing the drama,

they end up forgetting about themselves.

So they kind of forget to look within them themselves

and figure out what's important for them.

Because they're trying to people please everyone around them

to make sure that everything is nice.

It's kosher.

There's no drama.

And we could just sit back and relax without having to worry about any struggling.

Sometimes when things hit the fan,

they kind of freeze up.

They don't know what to do.

They need that guidance.

And that's what happens to her sometimes.

Another little bit of her backstory is she's a jumping spider.

She's an outcast from the spider guild.

Because in the spider guild,

they make all these beautiful elaborate webs.

Jumping spiders don't make webs.

They just only repel off a little thin silk strand.

And then they jump all over the place.

So she's the outcast.

She has no friends.

But once she meets Gavin,

he becomes friends with her immediately.

And then the two become inseparable.

They're like peas and carrots.

They're best friends.

And she's the little sister he'd never had.

She's just a cute, fun loving character.

Says the cutest things.

Sounds like you're just a wonderful book for kids and stuff.

So as we wrap up the show,

tell us, give us a final pitch out for people to pick up the book

where they can find out more about the merchandise, the websites, etc.

Okay, you can find my book.

It's on Amazon and Barnes and Nobles.

Also, through Dorrance and Publishing,

if you want to get it correct and lock quicker,

I also have it as a Kindle for $3 for those who can't afford

expensive books and stuff like that.

But there won't be pictures with it.

That's the trade-off.

You get the story, but you don't get the art.

I also have a wonderful audio bowl as well.

And that is done by the talented Lalita Corey.

She had an amazing background in theater.

When I scouted her out, I listened to her clip

and she made me laugh.

I knew she was the one to do the narration of the book.

So I had it on audio bowl.

I want to say it's about $9.

Don't quote me because they're always changing the price on the audio bowl.

You see, it's also available in a hard back.

And the hard back is absolutely beautiful.

Just the way the book looks aesthetically,

the warm colors are on the front, the cool colors are on the back.

And as it wraps around the cover,

it almost creates a rainbow effect on the page side of the book.

Not the spine, but the page side.

So that is definitely worth getting.

And let's see, I have the Patreon.

That's Marna Adventure series.

I do a chapter reading once a month.

And I do different locations.

One of the locations will be in London.

So I'll have the backdrop of London reading my story.

And there's all kinds of different locations I go to,

to really fill in the story and make it just for the kids, you know.

So they can enjoy it visually and not just listening to it.

And I have an Instagram that you can check out.

Ninja near cat seven nine.

So that's Ninja and E are cat.

Seven nine Instagram.

And then my tech talk is Marna Adventure series,

all one word.

And you can find all kinds of fun clips through that.

I also have you to engineer,

but I don't work on it as much because you two

haven't been nice to me.

The algorithm doesn't like me,

but I have a lot of success in the Instagram and the tech talk.

You find it where you can.

This has been wonderful to have you on Jason.

And I love that you're doing this series.

I love the background behind it that inspired the story.

And it sounds like it's a great journey that you're going to be on

in getting this out there and sharing with lots of people

lifting the world.

Thank you for coming by Jason.

We really appreciate it.

Thank you as well, Chris,

for giving me the opportunity to be on your show.

Thank you.

And order of the book,

folks were refined books are sold.

It's called Marna on October 15th, 2025.

And you can find a link there on the Chris Foss show

and check out his website as well.

To my audience,

thanks for coming by.

Go to goodreads.com for just Chris Foss,

linkedin.com for just Chris Foss,

youtube.com for just Chris Foss.

And all those crazy places there.

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Stay safe.

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