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The Coaches Meeting: The 49ers Could and Should Trade for Myles Garrett
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What's up? I'm Grant Cohen. That's the coach. Welcome. The coach is meeting. I'm down here in
Arizona for like a pre owners meeting. Uh, man time with my buddy, Nico, went to high school
together playing golf. He's going to be playing pool in the background, kind of like a Tom green
situation. And while I've been down here, apparently Miles Garrett has been in the news. So let's start
with Miles Garrett. This is what happened if you're not familiar. The Browns, uh, agreed to some
modified language in Miles Garrett's contract this week that provides some cap flexibility for the
team going forward. Yada yada yada. According to Josh Norris, this makes Miles Garrett contract
actually tradable. And the Browns proposed a rule change that would allow draft picks to be
exchanged up to five years into future coincidence. I only think in five first round picks for Miles
Garrett, but it seems to me you don't redo the deal to make it tradable unless you're open to
the idea or even into the idea of potentially trading Miles Garrett. It makes sense to me.
Seems like what we're seeing around the league from the Cowboys to the Raiders is if you have one
of these premier ed rushers, who's worth $45 million a year. I mean, Miles is the best. And you're
not a super bowl contender. There's no point in keeping them because you're still going to win four
games, even with the best ed rusher in the league on your team. So trade them for two, three first
round picks and rebuild. I can see it from the Browns perspective. They've been going nowhere with
Miles Garrett for years, even though he's great, uh, start over. And from the Niners perspective,
you are that team that's theoretically one Miles Garrett away from leapfrog in the rest of the
field and being super bowl contenders. So for me, I think it's realistic. I think it's a possibility.
I think it's something that the Niners should be all over. What do you think? This is Miles Garrett
we're talking about. I couldn't disagree more. I love you, Grant. First things first. What up,
Nico? What is it? What's up to my boy over there? Also, I just want to get into
how many ways this just does not make sense, even if the Browns do want to put Miles Garrett on
the market. So one, for me, I think that the move is a procedure move. You have a new coach.
You have a new coach over there in Cleveland. And they need to be able to make Miles Garrett's
contract a little bit more malleable to be able to move and bring in guys that they see fit for.
The new regime that's coming in there. I don't necessarily means that I don't necessarily mean that
think that him being tradable by making these moves is exactly what they want to do. That's number one.
Number two, I don't think that the Niners would do the move. Even if he was tradable, number one,
bringing in Miles Garrett would signify a couple of things. One is that the 49ers are in a win now
mode. You don't bring in Miles Garrett unless you're trying to win a Super Bowl immediately.
Two, that absolutely puts John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan right on the hot seat with John
being a lame duck GM and Kyle only having two years left on his deal. I don't think that they
want that type of smoke because the expectations for convincing Jed to be able to pull that type of
to be able to pull those type of assets again, which we made a move like this air go trying to
move up to go get trade Lance. We under trade Lance. We already sent hand. We already understand how
that went. I think that that will put a lot of unneeded heat and stress on them. And then lastly,
even if he was tradable, who's to say that the Niners will be the first at the line with the best
assets, even if we do give picks, which we would have to do. What players do we have to send over
there? The Michael, the Michael Parsons Street included a player, a valuable player from the
Packers that went over to Dallas. The three most valuable players that we would have on our
defense, especially near the ball of near the line of scrimmage or comparable would be Nick Bosa
who's coming off a ACL injury. Michael Williams who's coming off a ACL injury and Fred Warner
who's coming off of an ankle injury. So we don't even have the assets to even push to even get a
player like Michael Williams, let alone give up the assets and the player that we will possibly
have to give up and then still be viable to go to when the Super Bowl. I think it's a pipe dream.
Okay, so here's what is written in by Jack Duffin in 24 seven sports. He wrote yesterday I wrote an
article called last day for the Cleveland Browns to trade Miles Garrett in 2026. This is because
he was due a 29.9 million option bonus on the 25th of March. If the Browns would have paid this,
it would have effectively ended any chance of him being moved this season because the Browns
would have paid out 29.2 million of the 32.5 he's due in 2026. No team is going to pay the
majority of the quality players contract and then move them at the same time. ESPN's Field Yates
has reported today that Cleveland Browns and Miles Garrett have agreed to change the contract
moving that 29.2 million option bonus back from the 25th of March to seven days before the league
season in September. When looking at contract, the pair messages with Browns are open and
considering moving Garrett because there is no need to move this option bonus. Otherwise,
this to me is exactly what the Niners are doing with Trent Williams. They just moved his
option bonus back to this season and it keeps the option open. Like, yeah, we might want to keep
you, but we also want to listen about the offer. And I'm not saying the Niners would have
the best offer. I'm sure a lot of teams would want them, but it seems like the Niners should be
one of the teams column because if they get them, they have an opening forum in their defense.
If they get them, they can call themselves Super Bowl Fabric. And, I mean, really, if it costs
three first round picks, I would do it. It's not like trading three first round picks for
Trayland. That was a 19 year old quarterback from Division Cold War to State who was a projection.
Miles Garrett is the best edge rusher in the game. One of the best of all time. There is no
projection. He's right in the middle of his prime. Hell, yeah, I'd give three first round picks,
because if you don't, then they're going to draft Ramello Heights in round two or some other
edge run. And the Niners are like one for 13 when it comes to drafting past rushers under John
Lynn. She got Nick Moser, right? He's got everything else wrong. Like, ideally, you want to not
give up the farm for one edge rusher who's 30 and will probably get hurt in his first three weeks.
And the Niners, because the substation exists, ideally, but this is the Niners. They suck it
drafting. And they really have been in this position where they're like knocking on the door with
an older team. And as the most pessimistic person who thinks that Kyle can never, ever get it done,
no matter what, I feel like if he had Miles Garrett, you'd win the Super Bowl next year.
Although, of course, he'd get hurt. So I don't know. I don't know. But I would do it.
I don't want my job on the line, but I feel like Eddie would have done it.
So someone's going to do this. And I take my cap off to whoever does. But last year,
the Packers didn't. Parsons got hurt halfway through the year. We all crowned the Packers when
they made that trade. Great trade. They're going to win the Super Bowl. And then Parsons got hurt
halfway through the year. It's like, oh, shit. They put all their eggs in that one basket.
You're taking my points away. I was just like, I don't like them at all. I was going to bring that up.
Yeah. Like listen, now Miles Garrett is not somebody who's injury prone. I wouldn't put that on
them at all. But just a couple of quotes that you made that I have to push back on. Miles Garrett
being on this team does not make a Super Bowl ready and not by a long shot. Miles Garrett being
on the grand where it's it's not like we're adding on to a pass rush that needs one player.
We're adding on to a pass rush that not only needs players, but we need depth. All right. We're
coming from the left. Go ahead. Osa, Osa, Alfred Collins, and Miles Garrett has the best
line in football. I don't know what Nick Boses. We don't know. I don't know what Nick Boses coming
back. All right. Like on top of it, on top of it, you just made a trade.
They're not all the more reason to go get another guy. Okay. But at the same time, you just made a
trade for Miles Garrett where you kept Nick Bosa. How do you square that?
Because I'm trying to go all in right now. The idea is to try to put together the best defensive
line in the league because when the Niners were truly truly Super Bowl contenders,
they had the best D line in the league in 2019. They had like a Hall of Fame defensive line.
And I think they're never going to have a Hall of Fame offensive line.
If they're ever going to be dominant, it's because of that one side of the trenches.
And I feel like they're one player in a way assuming Nick Bosa comes back. He's 28 years old.
And he's still an upper echelon edge russer. Also, Diggy Zua is an upper echelon interior russer.
You have Michael Williams who could improve. I mean, you don't really need. I just, I don't know.
I'm talking. I was all about them trading for Max Crosby. You know that. So it seems to me like,
man, Miles Garrett is Super Max Crosby way better than that idea versus at a two first.
Great. Because Miles Garrett doesn't have a freaking meniscus repair. He has to recover from.
And you know, he doesn't have that issue. I would give it to him. I would get him. I would get him.
All right. Listen, I see where you're, I see where you're coming from. I just came back eight years.
We have a lot of ifs on this roster, man, in order for us to add a piece like Miles Garrett.
And then really what we're doing again is you know what would be, would be so perfect.
Is it we made this deal? And then two seasons down the line. I could see you on YouTube saying
the Niners are top heavy, man. They got guys that they're paying over 13% of the cap.
They need to make a move. I would have traded my, I would have traded Miles Garrett after the first two
years. That's when he started to decline. That's when you should have been true. That's when you
should have made the move. Like my, my thing is is that Miles Garrett player is almost kind of like
a shift in the league, right? It's a shift in the entire division. And it puts a target on your
back. You just can't trade for Miles Garrett and play game. You have to go win. Here's what,
right? And that's what I think the Niners should like stop playing the fence here. And this is
what you and I have disagree with about like for about a year. You're saying a man built through
the draft. Think about the future. Don't mortgage the future. And I'm like, and first of all,
you suck at building through the draft. So I don't understand. Hoping John Lynch can hit
on picks in round one and two when you know he won't. When you're still trying to like win it
with Trent, you're still trying to, you want Trent on the team? You want George Kittle on the
team? You're not getting rid of that. So as long as you're committed to that, then fuck the picks.
Go get Max Crosby or Miles Garrett and take one big swing at the Super Bowl, which you haven't
won in 31 years as opposed to like being a man. We're right on the cusp. And if John nails his draft,
we could, you know he won't. Man, you know he played to your strengths. The best moves John
Lynch has ever made have been trades for veterans who are proven today. I mean, like this would be
like the Trent Williams trade. It would be more expensive, but you know exactly what you're getting.
And he's a corner. So you'd be the best player on your team for the next five years.
He would be the best player on our team for the next five years. He'd cost a shit ton of money.
And I think that we just be a middleing team with a really good defensive line.
The biggest things that are on our team aren't going to go get a blue chip defensive in.
Our problem is is that we need to go face our prop our issues head on, which is we need to draft
better. All right. We need to bring in guys that can actually get on the field. Our biggest
issue is that offensively, we don't put rookies on the field. Why do you? Right. But why do they
need to play young guys if they're committed to an old team? I don't think they're well,
listen, them being committed to an old team is remains to be seen because we got to figure out
how they're facing these guys out anyway. I feel as though that the purse strings have been
snatch from Kyle and that side of the business as far as the team is concerned. And we were we
were placating to an older version of our team when we were winning. I believe now they're moving on.
I do think they're moving on. You go through the Niners trade for Miles Garrett.
He said, why not? That's yeah, that's a ringing endorsement, Nico. I just he listened to both
of us and he's on my side. So he's looking in his phone. He's he's not he doesn't even care
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It's good time. What are your thoughts on Chase Young's Stint with the Niners?
You know, we had 10 stacks last year.
That blew my mind.
Yeah. It was underwhelming.
I do believe that he got a wake up call playing with our team.
It was for as many years that he had been in the league.
I do believe that he's to you understood what it was like to actually play with
fan of fan base who has expectations.
And we don't we will call you out.
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Niner Empire D.A.B. 2012 says this is Boss's third ACL injury.
So we don't know what productivity he's going to bring.
Trade Trent for a first round pick or trade for miles.
ASAP if you're trying to win a Super Bowl.
It just seems like the trading for miles,
Garrett is such a power move that if you don't trade for him,
the team that does puts themselves in position to win the Super Bowl that year.
And the Niners are once again hoping for good luck or playing for 2027.
I don't know.
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Let's switch gears and talk about something other than miles, Garrett.
I want to talk about Jawan Jennings because he's not a 49er anymore,
but he's not on any other team.
A lot of people were talking that he was going to be the number one
wide receiver on the market and get,
I think he thought he was going to get $20 plus million a year
as like a bona fide number two wide receiver on a team.
And he's not getting that.
It seemed like the commanders would rather wait forever
for Brandon IU to become available than to get Jawan Jennings now.
Why do you think the league is seemingly so down on him?
Is it just that he has an inflated opinion of himself
or is it as Shelby Harris said?
He's a hoe.
No, no, no, I don't want to disrespect.
I like that, though.
I want to disrespect him.
Use a hoe.
I try to ask you like, Brian,
oh, you supposed to follow me up, man.
Oh, boy.
Yeah, it's heel war.
So look, he's hurt.
Yes.
Yeah, recent studies show.
So I, I do believe, I like Jawan.
I like what he brings to the table.
I just think that he's getting a hard lesson
in understanding what's transferable
at the negotiation table
and what is transferable on the field.
And what I mean by that is Jawan is scheme dependent.
He is a scheme dependent receiver,
which means that a lot of what he does
and how he finds how he shows worth and value
is within scheme fits within what he's asked to do
and how he plays to the echo of the whistle
and drives guys into a gatorade,
gatorade bottles onto the sideline
and is the nastiest guy in the run blocking game.
I understand that that stuff that gets you on the field
but that doesn't necessarily quantify to
being a receiver that's going to make upwards
to the amount of 20 plus million dollars a year.
I also believe that he does have a little bit
of an inflated sense of self.
You have to being a receiver that runs of 4-7
coming out in the seventh round out of Tennessee.
You have to play with that chip on your shoulders.
So I mean that's a double-edged sword.
I don't want to like fault him for that.
That part of his barato is what got him here quite frankly.
But I do think that he's getting a wake-up call.
He's like a two-year 15 million dollar guy.
He's like seven million a year.
And you can't be asking for $22 million a year
when Romeo Dobbs, who was a number two receiver,
goes out and makes seven, gets 17.
So it just, it doesn't match.
Let me ask you this.
I'll pivot to a question within the topic though.
Is there a road for him to come back?
No, that's what's so interesting to me.
I feel like the Niners closed that door so quickly
without talking about it.
I mean, Christian, I mean like Debo Samuel has a better chance
of coming back to the 49ers than Joanne Jennings.
For whatever reason, it seems like that bridge is burned.
And it seems like not only is his bridge burned with the Niners,
but he can't catch on anywhere else.
Like Romeo Dobbs got 70 million a year.
Romeo Dobbs, he had 700 catches.
He had 700 yards of six touchdowns last year.
Joanne was better than that.
Or about the nine touchdowns of 600.
You could make the argument that Joanne's a better player
than Romeo Dobbs.
There's older.
Joanne Jennings would start for the Raiders right now.
They're starting wide receivers are Jack Besch,
Trey Tucker and Jalen Naylor.
So and they're offensive coordinators Clint Kubiak
who was with the Niners and coached Joanne Jennings.
So my question is like, what do we not know?
He really theoretically is worth between 15 and 20 million
dollars a year, but no one's touching him.
And we know that players talk and coaches talk.
And we've heard, I mean, he's not in fights with
how many different teams?
Three, two, oh my god.
Okay. Okay.
So now you just gave me that that's so Raven I.
Okay.
Joanne is not liked.
No, I do that.
Okay. So that's that is true.
That's a big thing.
When you play against a lot of teams and you go so hard for your mob
that you play outside of the regulations of the game
where you're rubbing people the wrong way,
that they I think there was one there was one report
where he said something up.
I like really out of pocket to a one player.
And he completely went off.
And like veteran players were speaking up about it.
Like, oh, it was down on the ground hurt.
And Joanne came over talking crap.
And Shelby Harris took exception.
Miles Garrett was right there.
I mean, they talked all about it.
There was like a little fight on the field while one dude was hurt.
It's weird.
Yeah.
It's, you know, and things like that matter.
I just think that and then also what hurts Joanne too
is that when he was at his best, we were at our worst.
And that doesn't help your production.
So there's more.
Not only do players talk, coaches talk.
And I'd love to know, because if you're going to sign Joanne,
I would imagine you'd call up Kyle.
Say Kyle, what do you think?
Should we sign Joanne?
I mean, you like them, but you didn't really offer
anything like, what do we not know here?
I don't think the Niners would, I think the Niners
would probably have things to say.
Well, you saw the fight on the sideline between Joanne, Jay.
I wonder how difficult Joanne was last year behind the scenes.
I wonder how emotionally was behind the scenes.
I wonder if the Niners coaches are part of the reason why
other teams are a little hesitant.
It just seems like he's too good to be not on a team right now.
He'd be the number one receiver on the freaking Raiders right now.
But people don't want, people don't want the baggage.
People don't want, what is it?
I don't know, I don't know.
Yeah, I think the contract negotiations
between the Niners and Joanne was very contentious.
I also think that what really hurt him
is he didn't cut it off once he came back to play.
It's like having your contract negotiations
with the team is one thing.
But we all know that when you play,
hey, you got to switch that off when you're back.
When you're back, you're back.
So whatever's going on between you and the organization,
keep that shit between you guys.
And Joanne let a lot of that bleed into the locker room
during the season, especially bringing up his injuries,
talking about how he was hurt.
Trent Williams even had to respond back to say like,
hey, everybody's hurt right now for the record.
So I do believe that Joanne just kind of killed
some social currency with how he behaved.
Yeah, I would totally agree.
Because if you don't target him like a number one option
in your attack, he's going to be pissed and will he block?
He can block.
But the Niners couldn't run the ball last year.
I think there were a lot of clips of him like missing blocks
and not giving the same effort he gave in 2024
when he thought he was going to get that extension.
So is he happy?
Are you keeping him engaged?
Do you really want to work that hard for a guy
who really should be like a number three receiver
on a good offense?
I think he overplayed his hand.
And maybe the Niners are sort of doing him.
I don't know.
I think what's crazy is that because he's a good player.
What you said, like, do you really believe that me too?
I love the way he plays.
Do you honestly believe that Jawan Jennings has a problem
with not being the number one option in an offense?
At this point in his career, yeah.
I think he's been a really crazy.
He's been on, he's he's won a lot of games.
He's played his role.
I think he wants to prove that he's better than people think he is.
And I like that about him.
He's supposed to have that mindset,
to make what makes him who he is.
Again, I would think that more teams would be interested.
I would have thought that teams running the Niners system
would be all over Jawan Jennings.
I thought that the Titans would have been,
but no one is interested.
And again, I think it's got to be more than what we see.
This is also something that needs to be said.
And this is kind of leads into the Brennan-Ayuq situation too,
is that it ain't all.
Business is not all about the negotiations.
It's how you behave.
It's how you treat the team.
It's how the team treats the player.
Like, all of that stuff matters.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
So, Jawan, good luck.
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No, no, that would be three, three.
So, okay, okay.
Wink SF 92 says if we don't trade for Miles Garrett,
the Eagles will easily.
They can get a first for AJ and trade two more for Miles Garrett
without big loss in draft capital.
It would be a power move for whoever pulls it off.
And he should be on a winning team.
I hate when all-time great players
spend their entire freaking career on the Browns.
Like, no one gets to watch you.
You saw, and your career doesn't even really matter.
Like, Joe Thomas did that, right?
Like, get the hell out of this even for everyone to say.
Yeah, please.
Okay.
Yeah.
This is interesting to me.
It seems obvious that the Niners want to draft
a wide receiver in round one.
And on top of that, they made wide receiver the focus
of their free agency.
They signed Mike Evans.
They brought in vision Kirk.
And so, I mean, it doesn't take a freaking genius
to at least wonder what this means about Ricky Peersol.
He seemed to have promised his rookie year.
He seemed to have promised the first month of 2025.
He tore it up and training camp.
Then he messed up his PCL and took a long time coming back.
And when he did come back, he still didn't look bad.
And he was limping around.
So it's okay.
If they take a wide receiver in round one,
as we expect that they will barring some, you know, shocker.
Does that mean that they're going to trade Ricky Peersol?
Would they sell low on Ricky Peersol?
Have they given up on Ricky Peersol?
After two seasons, what do you think?
Yeah, I do.
I think that right now, the way the receiver room is set up
is that Kyle loves veterans.
You know, we know that about him.
He wants guys that he can trust,
that understand how to run his offense the right way
because he's obsessed with being right,
especially in the passing game.
Ricky Peersol's availability kills all of that.
And that hurts you.
One of the things when this team that we talked about earlier is
there's a lot of sex in this locker room, right?
It's clicked up.
There's a lot of different national lines of player.
Oh, you said S-E-E-T-C-E-T.
I was like, what?
Sex.
No, it's got a S-E-X, man.
There's a lot of...
All right, sure.
Yeah, don't do me like that.
All right, what I mean to say is that,
you know, you have the combo click.
You have the new guys that come in.
You have the high priced free agents
that they have their own class in here.
The common denominator of every group
that you come into in the locker room is that
you have to play tough.
All right, you have to be able to play tough
and be tough, play through injury, okay?
One thing that we all saw with Ricky Peersol,
where I think there may be a little bit of, like,
there may be a loss in translation
with being injured and being hurt, okay?
Ricky Peersol missed week 18.
He's missed multiple games.
He missed week 14 with the PCL sprained.
Then he came back on September the 28th
and had another PCL sprained.
He was out July 21st.
He was out again with a thigh hamstring.
And then May 29th, he had the same thing
with the thigh hamstring pull as well.
And followed it up in July 19th.
It's just been the entire year.
And he hasn't had any consistency.
The issue that I see right now is that
he just can't be trusted to be on the field.
Now, when he first came, he got shot.
All right, let's just put it out there.
And being hurt is being shot.
You know, like, you got shot.
And I feel like the road to recovery
from that type of injury that you incurred
through no fault of your own is going to be a little bit softer
and it's going to be a little bit more liberal
to make sure that you tell us what your pain threshold is
so we can get you back on the field.
Jesus, you got shot for Christ's sake, Ricky.
And you're a rookie.
We're going to put our arms around you.
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The level of scrutiny and the level of pushback
for football injuries is not the same thing as getting shot.
It's just the truth.
And being able to play through injuries
that you have improved through football,
there is a higher threshold to pain
where they expect you to play.
All right, where I feel like there may have be
there may be a little bit of an attitude towards Ricky
that he may not be as willing to play
when he can absolutely not go versus when he's just discomfort,
when he has discomfort.
And I don't want to go as far to question his toughness,
but you can say that he's not consistent.
And at this stage of his young career,
you can honestly say he's not durable.
So I wouldn't mind moving on from him.
Here's why I would be very cautious
moving on from Ricky Pearson.
To me, he has shown that he has the talent
to be a good starting wide receiver in the NFL
as opposed to like Dante Pettis
who I never even think showed that.
Like he was, he was a drop waiting to happen.
He was kind of a spaz like Ricky's good.
In my opinion, he got what happened to him was
he got hurt week four.
And I'm not, that doesn't excuse the rest of the season,
but it was a PCL injury.
That's serious.
When Christian McCaffrey got a PCL injury in 2024,
they just put him on IR.
Like, I think it's kind of messed up
that they didn't put him on IR.
It was, you could put him on IR
and bring him back what in four weeks.
It was out for eight weeks.
I mean, he was out for a long time.
It's a PCL injury.
You could have ended his,
you could have just shut him down for the whole year.
But it seemed like they kept trying to be like,
come on Ricky, we really need you Ricky.
And that's the Niners culture.
Like you have to show everyone
that you're trying, as hard as you possibly can,
to make some superhuman,
herculian effort to come back from an injury in record time.
And that's what Fred tried to do.
And that's what George is going to try to do this year.
I mean, he tried to come back.
I don't know that Christian could have played
through a PCL injury.
And if you trade him now and you go somewhere else
with a better training staff
and he stays healthy and this PCL thing was just a flu,
he's improving.
His best years are in front of him.
And if you trade him right now,
you might get a fourth round pick.
So I don't see the upside of trading him.
If you replace him with the first round pick,
it just feels like overkill.
Like now you're just throwing all your assets into one position
when you still have a barely serviceable offensive line.
So I feel like, I mean,
when's he going to get it right?
When he's 29, if you bring back Ricky as a starter,
that's risky too.
Because he hasn't shown that he can stay healthy
for more than a month if you actually
feature him like a starter.
Well, when's he going to get,
when's he going to finally get a grant when he turns 29?
I mean, he got drafted as a 25 year old.
I mean, so he doesn't necessarily have a lot of runway
to wait for him to kind of get it together.
So I would say that there is kind of like two sides of this
where yeah, I do see your point.
And I think that's fair that Ricky,
a PCL injury, a grade two PCL injury is a serious injury, right?
And yes, that was enough to sit Christian down.
So, you know, the culture of this team,
you know, it's reputation proceeds itself.
But if you're not going to get him ready to play,
you might as well use him for the assets
that you have now and move on from him.
You know, how old is Ricky Prasal right now?
He's about to be, he's 25, he'll be 26 this season.
Okay.
Let me ask you this.
Both the nighters projected starting
wider receivers right now are Ricky,
Pierce, all in Mike Evans.
Both of them missed essentially half the year last year.
Ricky played nine games and caught 36 passes for 528 yards.
Mike Evans caught 30 passes for 368 yards and 23 touchdowns.
When he was targeted, the bucks pass rating was 69.
When Ricky was targeted, the Niners pass rating was 68.
Both had really rough years last year filled with injuries.
Who do you think is a better bet going forward?
Ricky Prasal, he's younger.
That's how I feel.
Yeah.
And if the Niners are going to have a legit number one this year,
it's going to be because Ricky takes that next step.
I don't think Mike has that in the gas tank anymore.
I think he'd be a solid number two, like Devonte Adams.
If he can stay healthy, but if someone's going to take that leap,
it's got to be Ricky or the first round kick the night,
because it ain't Christian Kirk.
It's got to be Ricky or Casey,
can sepsione or whoever.
That's all that.
Now that we can agree on.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.
Now if we're talking about if it was time to move on from Ricky
if I would trade him or not,
that's the debate that we were making before.
Yeah, I would trade him if we're going yay or nay.
But if we're looking at the track though, if we're keeping Ricky,
that's what I want to happen regardless.
I want these older guys, Christian Kirk, Mike Evans.
I look at these guys as kind of like preferated parts to the offense
that are supposed to be torn away by the young guys who emerge.
That's what's supposed to happen.
I've said this before that if Mike,
if it's week 18, week 17,
then we're depending on Mike Evans to get us over the hump.
And we're depending on Christian Kirk to get us over the hump.
Then our rookies I have failed.
Our young guys have not done what they're supposed to do this year.
It's a make it a break at year for Ricky regardless.
He needs to prove himself.
Yeah, and he could absolutely fill the brand and I you role in the offense.
And in the sense of like, he's the fourth option.
He's the guy you're not really thinking about.
So he gets one-on-one coverage
and he should be able to tear it apart.
It's just can he stay healthy?
But that's the same question for every single player on the 49ers.
I don't think that's unique to Ricky Pearson.
That's why I kind of chuckle when he sort of gets pushed off the island
for a durability issue that literally plagues everyone in this franchise.
But Ricky, watch your back.
But you know what it is, Doregrin?
It's not the durability issue.
It's the, I really do believe that it's the playing while you're hurt.
The plaguing through like he missed week 18.
That was big.
Him missing week 18 was big.
But it's like you saw him in the playoffs.
He shouldn't have been out there.
And that's my problem with the night.
It's been stop forcing your players to come back too soon.
You are the most entertainment elite.
You're supposed to have this deep introspective come to Jesus moment
where you look in the mirror and you ask yourself why are my players so hurt all the time?
And you're like, well, actually, we're rushing them back.
Our training room sucks.
Our trainers aren't good.
Like there's so many things that we could improve.
And the night is like, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's football.
We want, we got a culture to uphold.
We want you on the freaking field.
It's all right.
Well, you know, then this is what you're going to get.
You really, really hear about that on offense.
Raheem Mostert, guys who didn't play, it's Kyle, man.
It's his culture.
Jimmy, you know, essentially pushed off because he wouldn't come back and play
those final games of 2020.
2020.
They wanted him back out there.
George Kittle came back, Jimmy Ward came back and that was all showing hate.
We're part of the culture.
Jimmy's like, this is stupid.
Why would I do that?
The season's over.
And then they got trained.
Lance.
It's so toxic.
It's so toxic.
I'll take the tight end from Oregon if he falls.
I would because it seems to me that tight ends that go in round one are usually good.
I think that's one of the positions with the lowest bust rate.
Just get a good player.
You have needs everywhere.
I think he looks like Vernon Davis, man.
I would, I would not be hesitant to get him.
I'd love to pick up Kenyans to dig.
Yeah.
And it's not like, oh, what are you really expecting to get from George Kittle in the future,
man?
He's body broke.
Come on, man.
Yeah.
Get Kenyans to dig.
Yeah.
Drake Thomas is a, is a nice number two tight end.
It's not a starting tight end.
Maybe they don't have anything there.
They don't have anything there.
Kenyans to dig.
Conjus.
It's time to move on from Brady Willis too.
I'm over it.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kamen's Island podcast is, what's up grand coach?
So what happens if they pull the trigger, get Garrett and still do not win the bowl.
Instant fight.
Yeah.
Yes.
So this is what you want.
What you doing?
I see.
Okay.
Okay.
Finally it comes out.
I knew it.
That's what you want.
You can't stay at the table for the whole night.
Yes.
And it wasn't me.
It wasn't me.
The Niners have fouled off pitches for eight hour.
You've got to put the ball in play.
I'm sorry.
I'm just using a bunch of mixed metaphors now.
Let's move on.
Richard Sherman wants the Niners to bring back D.
Oh, Samuel.
Richard Sherman's friends with D.
Oh, Samuel.
Richard Sherman clearly is biased here.
But at the same time, he played for the Niners.
And on his show, he seems like he's always trying to speak with the Niners' best interest
in heart.
I want them to be the best version of themselves.
And he sincerely believes it.
Bringing back not to one.
But D.
Oh.
I mean, none of us agree with this.
I feel like that would be.
I feel like they wanted to bring back D.
Oh, and the whole fan base was like, absolutely freaking not in the cut in the Niners'
like, we're not going to do something that unpopular.
Is everyone wrong here?
Do you think that D.
Oh, Samuel and his 700 yards and four touchdowns would be the difference for the Niners.
It would be worth it.
No.
No.
I mean, if anything.
Why is Sherman doing this?
Because he's, you want me to say this.
That's why I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love you.
I love it when you do it.
LeBron.
He thought.
He let me dunk it.
I love it.
Why are they doing this?
Coach, why are they doing this?
Dude, you know that once the guys start chirping on our level, which, you know, it's kind
of like the podcast player level, then somebody put the word in ain't nobody chirping for
your boy.
And he talked to my man, oh, because Sherman, he was like, yo, Sherb.
I need you to put out a little bit of propaganda but then all the fans didn't want
it.
Can you change the opinion, please?
It's just a good idea.
People will say it's a good idea.
Richard Sherman, Woody, Debo Samuel, thinking that Debo Samuel is a good idea to come to
the Niners is the same way Mike Evans had a $27 million deal on the table, but he turned
it down and came to the Niners.
That's what you want us to believe.
I turned down money to come here, like for some reason everybody just chooses us.
No, I don't want them.
There's not a place for them.
He's a lesser version of himself and he was already declining when he left.
He went to the commanders and basically had the opportunity to be the man.
Terry McClurene was down.
Debo had a lot of time with the offense and they floundered with him as their number
one option.
He glad you got paid, man.
Just try to find a squad.
I think Debo is in kind of like the one year to two year proven deal phase of his career.
It's been nice.
It just seems to me that the Niners have signaled this off season that they're doing everything
with the intent to overtake the Rams and the Seahawks now.
Signing Mike Evans was about overtaking them now and I love that because that should be
the goal.
It should absolutely be the goal.
As long as you have this older group, you're not planning for 2028.
You don't even even sign through 2028.
Make a move.
So the question that from here on out is does this make us better than the Seahawks?
Does this really move the needle and it's just closer to that and the answer with Debo
was absolutely not, man.
He would be upset if he didn't get the ball a certain amount of time.
You have to cater to his ego.
If you don't, he would be disengaged and might even be a toxic presence like it's a waste
of time and money and it pushes off a younger player, I think it would be a negative move.
He would expect to play too.
That's what would be bad about it.
It's not like he would come here with a rejuvenated focus in trajectory of like, all right,
I'm new.
I'm new.
This is a new version of me.
I have to carve my weight onto this team.
You heard what Debo said, me and Carl are like boys, we're like, we're like friends.
We like really friends.
We like their friends.
Yeah.
We want to talk about stuff.
That's not football.
And it's just like, I don't, we don't need that on the team.
And to be, I hate to say this, but we almost have to like, Carl Kyle to be around players
who he just doesn't know so he can't forge any more relationships.
So like the number one prerequisite for every guy that comes on this team is, do you want
to be friends with the head coach?
No, we'll sign you.
Welcome aboard.
Well, but it's the opposite though, right?
Like, if you want to play for the 49ers, you have to in your opening press conference
to say stuff about like, you know, Kyle standing hand is the best coach.
The jeans.
And I actually wanted to take less money to play for Kyle because he's incredible.
And I might told you, have I told you how good Brock party is?
I mean, he's easily an elite quarterback.
Mike Evans did all of that.
And George Kiddles the best and I love the culture.
I don't think that, I mean, if Miles Garrett were willing to do all of that, then he just
wouldn't, he doesn't matter that you're the best player in the world.
We just won't fit in.
I'm sorry.
You know what was crazy is, I know everybody's seen it.
The clip of George Kiddles on Busset with the boys where he talks about how Mike Evans
reached out to him that sell him on the Niners.
And George was like, we get the best massages, we get the best care.
They're always going above the beyond for us.
They looking out for us.
And I'm like, well, I was like, I wonder if Mike ever replied with.
So why the hell has everybody heard all the time?
Yeah.
Talk to me about that.
Yeah.
What's going on?
What about that substation that you were complaining about, George?
Yeah.
What are you talking about?
You said it's not nothing.
You in Christian and you.
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He said 30s to 40 full size beds for the starters on the team.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you want to talk about a class system on the team that should let you know something
right there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like you see there's either 53 beds or there's no beds.
There you go.
Yeah.
It's very weird where it's like they want there to be a they want there to be a class
system on the team.
Brothers.
And there's pledges and the crazy thing about the 9 is it feels like there's more pledges
and brothers.
The bridge.
I mean, what does it take?
I feel like Ricky's a pledge to this day entering your 3 in the league.
He's a pledge.
You're a pledge until you get that extension really.
Are you always treated like a pledge and you hated it?
Yeah.
And and now like when you see George, the devil's in the details.
If you just listen, like when George said that, like think about that.
Think about putting yourself in that scenario, but you don't have one of those beds.
And you're and you just came from a game where you got the most points.
You got the most catches.
You're the one who build the team out, but you don't get a bed.
And you're going.
Yeah.
And now when it comes time to you give it up, you want to bed.
Yeah.
And you're in mind, you're like, I want that fucking bed.
You own that bed.
Give it up, man.
It's been going back to Greenlaw.
Sorry.
Exactly.
Imagine, imagine having a bed and then the embarrassment of walking past the bed,
keeping it warm for George Kiddler.
All right.
Don't get comfortable in that bed, Jake.
You don't have a bed.
How many touchdowns you catch?
We given this guy 20 million a year.
That's his bed.
Yo, that's so trifling.
It's just like, I'm sleeping in your bed tonight.
You ain't you in the bed with me taking my place, taking my place.
Come on.
So like, I'm telling you, they let it out slowly but surely about, you know, this team
is not ran traditionally, you know.
Get the beds out of the planes, man.
It ain't that deep.
Chris says to my favorites, what are your thoughts on the mild carried trade rumors?
I would say we've already talked about it, but you gave us 20 bucks.
Thank you for the 20.
Sparknose version is that coaches against it.
I'm for it.
Both kind of feel like the Niners probably wouldn't be able to pull it off because so many
teams would be interested in the Niners first round picks are kind of like early second
round picks.
But to me, I'm into the idea of the Niners mortgaging the future and trading assets for
a proven great player and coach wants the Niners to trust the process and build through
the draft, which is always a smart thing to do.
I just don't trust the Niners to get that right.
And I feel like it's hard to get it wrong when the player is great.
Although you come to the Niners, you get hurt immediately and you fucked up.
So we would develop guys on offense.
We'd be happier about getting guys in the draft.
I feel like Kyle puts these guys in a position of like either you can do the job or you can't.
And if you can't, then that's your job to get it done in the background.
That's your part of being a pro.
But then you come back to me and be ready.
I don't think see a lot of development going on on that side of the ball, to be honest.
All right.
So last thing we got for the day, then I'm going to go play some pool.
Coaches against the Niners trading for Miles Garrett.
All right.
So you wanted a draft to pass Russia.
This is something the Niners haven't done well.
And so far, the Niners one past Russia they've had a top 30 visit with is
Ramello Height, who's 25 years old.
So tell us why Ramello Height would be a better investment than Miles Garrett.
He would not be a better investor, Debra.
I'm doing a video, I'm doing a video.
It's exactly why there is Ramello Height Height hype, all right.
And we got to pump our brakes on Ramello Height.
I'm going to put out a video.
You guys will see it.
But there is, and there's no world why Ramello Height will be a better
selection than bringing in Miles Garrett at all.
But we need to stay away from Ramello Height.
And we're going to talk about why on the Coaches title.
So be looking out for that video.
Okay.
Have you come across a day to three, four outside linebacker, a guy who can,
you know, drop into coverage, do a little bit of everything that would fit
the system who you like, who is not Ramello Height.
And you don't have to say yes.
If the answer is no, the answer is no.
But is there anyone that you've come across that you, because I don't think
they're going to go for Ramello Height.
It feels like a smoke screen is 25.
They need to do some research.
It shows kind of like the kind of guy they're looking for.
And where in the draft they're looking for them about, I think it's him.
So who would give me someone if you got someone?
Well, that's exactly what I was going to be able to talk about.
There are some guys where I wasn't going to just, you know,
Bash, Ramello Height and then completely get away from the premise,
which is, all right, coach, who do we still get at that position?
Which I love the question, Grant, because you do.
You need somebody who has a little bit of it all.
It's not just past Russian, but you need an all around guy that can set the edge
against the run and to be able to help out in some coverage duties when asked.
Like, do you have a path rush?
There you go.
There are two guys that I love around the Ramello Height area of the draft,
which are day two guys, possibly day three.
J. Sean Barham from Michigan, 63 to 40.
He's a three, four edge will linebacker.
I'll be able to get into him in depth when we talk about it on the coach's
huddle, but I love J. Sean Barham and K. Ron Crawford from Auburn.
That's another guy who, to be honest, if we're looking at Ramello Height,
then these are the guys that are going to be around his willhouse.
Now, there are some better versions of that where we can get it.
We're going in the second round, then go Gabe Yakis, right?
If you want to get that, that's a better version than all three of those guys that I need.
I'm going to have a third round right now.
So unless they try, I mean, second round.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So if we're going to go into fourth round, stay away from Ramello Height,
get K. Ron Crawford, get chased on Barham.
If you're going to go round two, Gabe Yakis, I love Gabe Yakis in round two.
I also think that what's my guy out of rock?
Caches drop any play outside linebacker?
Yeah, K.
I haven't seen a lot of it to be real with you, but he's all around guy, though.
They were putting winters and Nick Martin on the line of scrimmage.
They were putting freaking Luke, what's that Gifford on the line of scrimmage?
As the that guy has to be more than just an edge setter and a guy who can drop.
He has to have some pass rush as well.
Has to.
Otherwise, there's no benefits of putting a guy there as soon as it's not a freaking run.
For me, if you just want somebody that's just a freak and round two, you want to,
because Malachi Lawrence is going to be gone in the first round, right?
But if you're going to get somebody in the second round where it's set it and forget it,
then Danny didn't have something from Penn State.
6'5, 268, he can do it all.
He's going to help you out in the run game, pass game.
There's nothing beats up offensive lineman.
I'd love to get him in the second round along with Gabe Yacke.
And also Joshua Joseph, who's a little bit of a shot off.
What about Joshua?
From 10 to see.
340.
He's somebody who's a little sawed off.
He doesn't have as much weight as those guys, but Joshua Joseph is somebody who's more set
in that password specialist guy, but he could also work him into some coverage,
some coverage situations as well.
I just don't like Romello high for a lot of different reasons.
Yeah, but I would much prefer him than Romello height.
Yeah, which one?
Joshua Joseph's Joshua Joseph's.
Yeah.
So I think you know, I think he's a round two guy.
He will be round two, round three.
He wouldn't be there around four.
I think Romello height would be a round around four.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I think the Niners are looking round two for that guy because it's not just
like a Bryce Huff designated pass rusher doesn't doesn't matter what you do
against the run.
You're not even going to start like, no, you're going to be the starting outside
linebacker.
You're going to play if you're good, 100% of the snaps and you'll move to
the end on third down.
I think you're looking for that guy, which they could conceivably take him in round
one.
If they were up to me, would you, would I say go outside linebacker or wide receiver
in round one?
If the players had similar grades, I would go to outside linebacker.
But if they were going to wait around two, they could get a good player there.
I'm worried, man.
I don't think that there's anybody at receiver that's worth the 27th of the
Raw pick.
None of them.
Not, not Denzel Boston.
Not Casey Kasepsi on the trust and Niners to find them.
I mean, they took Ricky over Ladmakonky.
Omar Cooper, Jr.
is the only guy that possibly could be there me and Tom both agree on that,
but he'd be gone by 27.
Everything else, Casey Kasepsi on will be a reach at 27.
It'd be Ricky Prasal all over again, just for like the worth in the value.
Chris Sites says trade Trent, his contract and bulk of his coming costs to the
chiefs with the 27th and 139 picks in return for drafting and giving us
free lane.
Trent plus 27 and 139 for their first.
It's not going to happen.
They don't even have enough.
Caps based to make it happen.
The internet doesn't get used right.
It says trade pretty in Williams, 2026 in 2028 first round picks for Miles Garrett
and should Taurus Sanders have Mac Jones a starter and Sanders is backup
and Niners have more cap space.
Who which Williams, Tram Williams or Mike Williams.
Pretty in Tram Williams.
Party in Trent Williams.
First round, please.
Who first Trent and party for Miles Garrett and Taurus Sanders?
I do.
You know, they're playing.
They're this is somebody who watches you and they know you love.
Should do it.
Cheers.
I do it.
Maybe a solid backup from Mac Jones.
Yeah.
Yeah, you're crazy.
Do you think you think Max Jones is going to be on this team by week one?
Yeah, absolutely.
Me too.
I did bet you 50 bucks at the Niners are going to sign Debo.
I'm prepared to lose that one.
Yeah.
Double or nothing on Mac Jones.
Double or nothing on Mac Jones.
No.
No.
No.
I know a desperate man when I see one.
All right, man, on that note, it's time for me to get back to the pool house.
Am I epic journey in Arizona?
Thanks for watching coach.
Thanks for jumping on with an impromptu coaches meeting.
Sometimes with no problem, man.
It just happened.
Hey, can you stream?
Yes.
Let's stream.
Yeah.
Miles Garrett to the Niners.
Is it happening?
Probably.
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