The Confessionals - Disappearing Islands, UFOs & Portals Suggest Our Reality Is Breaking Open | Slingshot Nation

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1:01Grace hit me like boom, came this. Oh, God, when me whole squad gone, when devil tried to throw shade, I drink a delight to bribe where I've been. Welcome to slingshot nation, everybody. Thanks for tuning into another live here. We got a good show planned for you. And I was just sitting here looking at the countdown, that 32nd countdown we played before the live. And I was like, I wonder if we didn't do that if I'd feel the same. Like there's something that happens during that 30 seconds that hands me up. I'm just like, I hear the instrumental, I know it's coming. I'm getting vamped up and I'm wired and ready to go. So thanks so much for tuning into this. I listen, this is a lot of fun today. A lot of fun. And that's what we try to do for Slingshot nation. We try to take a different route and just light, lighthearted, jovial discussion about weird things. Sometimes it's mysterious, sometimes it's scary, sometimes it's just weird and sometimes it's a mixed bag. And so hopefully a year long for the ride guys,

2:01this is gonna be a good one. Derek, how are you doing, brother? Good. I'm just curious. Do you have proof that as a baby you didn't have a beard? Because I'm only gonna ever see you as a baby with a beard now all the time. Well, good. Good. Keeping that baby face. Boss, baby. You've always told me I look younger than what I am. They don't believe me, I'm 65, it's crazy. Wow. But yeah, man, I don't know. Maybe I had a beard. I don't know, though, baby. There's a time I liked that I felt like I wasn't gonna be able to grow a beard. And then I had that long redneck beard for years and stuff. And I would tell you the story that I had, it's a real quick story, real quick, just came to my mind. I came home from work one day and I had the beard like down to here. And I go upstairs to wash my beard and took a shower and everything after work. And I come downstairs and at the time I was trying to eat real healthy. And so Lindsey gets me, and Lindsey makes great food.

3:01She's great food. She made this really awesome salad. I mean, it was huge, giant. Just, I was excited to eat it. And I get downstairs and I sit down on the couch. I get that bowl or plate of giant salad right in front of me. And I scratch my neck because I felt like my hair is moving. I know. And I lean down and I look at my bowl and I take a bite out of it. And then I look down again. And one of those giant silver house centipedes falls out of my beard. Whoa, into my salad. I was like, and I shaved that thing off, man. Dude, it was huge. And it landed in my salad, so I run around. Oh, well, how did it stay in your beard? Do a shower. I don't think it did. I think when I was drying off, it was on the towel and got caught in my beard. Oh my God. Yeah, yeah. It scared the crap out of me.

4:01So like I was like, I hate those, who doesn't hate those bugs? Hate them. And so I was like, that's it. I did, I shaved it, but I grew it out again, but that messed me up. I thought you were eating your own dander. Like I thought like your flakes of your beard were falling on your salad. No, I did so much oil and balm. It was good. Anyways, thanks for being here, Derek. I just had to tell that quick story because, you know, Tony, Jack, how you doing over there, man? Very good. Very good. Man, that hair is looking good. Yeah, and the face is very red because I got a lot of sunnier today. Yeah, we went to the swimming pool yesterday and had some fun. So listen, I got an important announcement. Can I do the important announcement, Jack? Yes you can. Okay. I have a very important announcement. Jack has, can we switch screens real quick? Wonderful, beautiful hair. Should look at Jack. Well, that's fine. I don't care how Jack produces this show. Uh, Jack has wonderful, beautiful hair. Show them your hair, flip it, work it. Yes. Beautiful hair. He shampoos it, conditions it, does all the product. And for, I think probably, as long as we've been doing

5:04a show together, I've been trying so hard to let people know how beautiful Jack's hair is for one reason and so that he can get himself a lady. Mm. So longer an option because he has a lady. Woo. Let's go Jack. Let's go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Man. Let's go. Amazing. We're going to go with the dough. Y'all not allowed know who, where, when, or how? Jack's Jack story. But, but it's a real lady. Ladies. It's a real lady. I'll tell you what, ladies. I'll tell you what, back off. He's taken. All right. Now we've got the important business out of the way. This announcement's heard. Yeah. No, they're just getting started. We're having fun today, guys. But seriously, though, it's a 100 cent truth. Jack is off the market. And if I find anybody sniffing around, beat it.

6:08Beat it. I'm here to defend the bro. All right. So where was that? Yeah, we have a show today. Yeah. All right. So we have an awesome show for everybody. We're going to be talking about, in the news, there was this floating island that's mysteriously appeared. I have thoughts on that. And that got us going down a rabbit hole, other things that disappeared and reappeared and things like that. So we're going to do an awesome fun show today. But before we do that side of the show, we're going to talk about some UAP AI tech advancement type stuff. And it's because we have a very special guest in studio, somebody who we've talked about for years. I mean, somebody that has been mentioned on the show, I think probably since I started the show, at some point in time, this person was mentioned. And I don't think this person's ever made an appearance on my show ever. Maybe for a special episode for Christmas or something like that. But this is a first time ever in studio in the flesh.

7:08Dad, what's up, man? Hey, how you doing? Hey, nice to be here, guys. Thanks for having me. I'm glad you're here. Appreciate it. Now, what I want happening before we get into anything else, I want Jack to flip to dad and then flip to Jack and then flip to dad and then flip to Jack. I want, I want, I want people to see the comparisons. Do it now. All right, flip. Yeah, flip again, flip again. Yes. Yeah, just make your gray, right? You're going to have a gray beard. He'll have gray hair one day, you know? Yeah, that's not. I really don't think he's going to lose those luscious locks. No, I don't think so. No way. It's the one thing that, you know, it's got to be, I just envy us. So it's like the thorn in your side. It is the thorn in my side. The thorn in my side of hair. But do you that? Well, I'll tell you what, I've been around a long enough to see you with a full head of hair. And you just have very thick hair like Jack. Yeah, that's why I'm still hopeful. Yeah. You'll join the brother. They pray on my downfall. I'll tell you what, speaking of hair. I so I announced on the show months ago, a couple of months ago that I had that issue

8:09with my beard and I had these ball spots. They'll have them. And so I can't go too much shorter without it being a problem. I went to a dermatologist about this and he said he hears, he's hair follicles that he's hopeful that my bald spots will come back. Oh, God. But they weren't coming back. And so he injected me with steroids in my bald spots. And he said, if this works, my hair will come back. But he said it will come back extremely white at first. Hopefully, doesn't stay that way or else I have white patches on my beard. So I mean, hey, have a good signature look, right? They're like, oh, it's like a toxic average. You know, with her streak. There you go. So, yeah, streak in your beard. Yeah. Scunk man. Just story. Scunk man. The new cryptid. Obviously, not going out in the woods, heightened cryptids. And on the scunk man, you got trowel man. They're hunting cryptids and on the skunk man. You thought you'd be a rooster now. You're skunk man. You're scunk man. I'll come them all the way. Like peppy lepue. Like peppy lepue. Yeah.

9:10Pue or Pue. Pue, Pue, Pue, Pue, Pue. It won't matter. Yeah, it won't matter, that's for sure. Hey, hunting bigfoot smell like you're hunting bigfoot as skunk man. And the signature is that when bigfoot's in the air, you smell like a rotten skunk smell. That's just a circle that I don't want to. Some people like to smell. Yeah. Some people like skunk smells though. Do they? Some. Yeah. Jack does. Let us know in the chat. You want those people that like the skunk smell. Do you do? I have them rode. Do you see a skunk? You actually slow down. Like tell us, let us know in the chat if you're one of those people. Big question. Yeah. Yeah. We actually, when we drove to our soccer games on the school bus, when we smelled skunk, we would all like cheer. We thought it was good luck. Really? Yeah. I must be proving it. We heard it every time. But we also were almost undefeated. So I guess they didn't work. We were almost undefeated. We got one game. Yeah. That's fantastic. Yeah, he used to play professional soccer. So a professional. Yeah. Professional.

10:10What was it? High school. Oh, played high school. We were state champs though. We'll see. So probably got gone pro somewhere. No. Yeah, trust me. There's probably like a soccer league somewhere in like the Europe. Let's see Europe. They're so good in your house. You have to do America when you're going to be in the back. Exactly. Some of some professional league in Nebraska would have except the corn huskers. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's keep this show moving. All right. Maybe a train wreck. I'm not sure. It's so low within what if it is. You put it in the screen behind you. There's no train. Oh, shit. No train. Oh, well, it is what it is. Okay. So those trains are a thing, man. Oh, yeah. Different episodes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, your book. I got a book. I got a book. It's coming out October 6th. You can do pre-order right now on Amazon. It's called the professionals exposing warring kingdoms. Jack will have it on the screen there. And it's a book that I documented my journey through the supernatural. And I often talk about different chapters during this segment of the show.

11:10And I will just mention chapter two. I brought up several times. It's one of the most, one of my most favorite chapters I wrote for this book. And it's like my early childhood, how my grandfather played a big role. Who I became today. And like, it's, I think it's fitting to bring that up because dad's here in studio. And that was his dad. And so like the whole lineage of Merkel that I lay out in that chapter of how I became a Merkel, what that means spiritually, all came through the Merkel line. And we got pop a Merkel out here. Pop, we call them pop the grandkids, call them pop. But yeah, his dad was like a big role here in the stories that he would share. Built my faith in the supernatural of what he saw happen. In fact, you know, I don't think you remember this, but like you were actually, if one I understand in the audience, the day that he was praying for somebody in the leg group, yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. Do you remember that day? Yeah. What happened? I can tell it's about it. Yeah. We're up in Broadhead'sville in Pennsylvania. Broadhead'sville. Broadhead'sville. It was like a, like a Bible study thing, you know, like a church night.

12:14And they had a prayer line. And somebody came up there, their one leg was shorter than the other and my dad laid hands on them and prayed. And as he's praying, you're just watching the leg grow. It was, it was, it was amazing. Wow. It really was amazing. I mean, I see a lot of stuff like that with my dad. That's crazy. You know, when back in the day, when he was doing that, when he was traveling around, it's like a local evangelist type of thing, nothing. That's why I describe him. Yeah. I mean, it's like he watched your impairment during the week on weekends. He was preaching the gospel and tent revivals. Yeah. I mean, before that, he was, you know, working in a steel mill. That's why. I bet you don't see him. Uh, no, Taylor Wharton, they made the cylinders that you put, like the, a settling torches and that kind of stuff, those cylinders. That's what they made there. Wow. Yeah. That was crazy. Yeah, it's wild. I mean, a short little guy like that working in the steel mill. Yeah. He was five five years shorter than Jack. Wow. Oh, Jack's six feet. Thank God. He's just. He's just. He's just. He just sounds small. No, no, no, no, he's about cafishing now. Definitely not.

13:15That's what I do. No, that's good to know though. I, I, I knew you were there, but I wasn't sure if you actually remembered it or not. Yeah, he was the mid 70s. Wow. I was right around eight, 10 years between eight and two years old. Right around Benzage. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. He would remember a lot of, he was, if he was there. That's wow. So that gives me hope because like with what God's doing in my life, Ben is around that age and things are really kind of gearing up and we really believe the next two years and we have big things coming just out of this industry that we have. And who knows what Ben's going to remember when he's, you know, my age, tell stories, you know, he's the type of, he's the type of kid that probably will remember things for money is two, you know, every detail. Yeah. It's wild. And so great kid. That's really cool though. So yeah, chapter two is about my grandfather and the lineage of Merkel, including my dad obviously and how we got here and all this, all the stuff and it's just, it's very miraculous even just the fact that I'm here with the last name, Merkel and then what it means and how I ended up here doing what I do. It's all orchestrated. When you lay it out, it's divinely orchestrated.

14:17And so very exciting stuff guys. If you want to check it out, the professionals exposing warrior kingdoms, the book is going to be live October six, but you can get your pre order in now on Amazon link in the description below. And that helps us a lot. It really helps the book sales and the first week of book sales, all those pre orders count and it helps really push the book to a new level when it comes to the algorithm and stuff. You might say, well, I'll just wait until it comes out. You might forget that week and then it still helps obviously, but like if for max exposure purposes, all pre orders, they help a ton. So thank you very much for everybody who has pre order. It's really pushed the show or the show. Well, it is the show, the professionals, but the book up kind of in the charts and the book hasn't even been released yet. So it's very, very humbling to see and we're very grateful. So thank you very much. Also moving on to the, let's go. Let me just do this. How many just one, two, three? Okay. Cool. What we're going to do this, we're going to do this way. I'm going to tell you guys this and I haven't talked about it a whole lot.

15:17I talked about it just real briefly. Many people who watch YouTube have no idea about this because we don't produce the show the same, but audio listeners, if you're watching this right now or you're listening to this on replay, you know that at the end of every show, we have custom music that's playing. And the custom music that's playing is, has over the years changed at times. Sometimes it was like old mashups that I did or I had friends that were DJs that sent me stuff. Then Joel Thomas was making music. Now we be making music to people enjoy it and they were asking where can we get it. So now it's available on Spotify. I don't talk about it a whole lot because I quite honestly forget. But if you're somebody that listens on audio or you know, you watch on video and then you feel like you want to round two and you listen to it and you know about the music, it's now available for you to stream on Spotify, Apple Music and I believe on YouTube. So if that interests you, go ahead, check it out. A lot of fun stuff. And we also have a custom show song now. And it's one of my faves.

16:18You listen to it on the way up there. I did, yeah. It was really good. Yeah, that was really cool. Outside the, I didn't know there was a Spotify list. Yeah. I just found that out. I forget the notes. It's really cool. It's good to know. I followed you on Spotify just to say you know. Oh, thanks. My dad follows me. You should follow me too. Hey, also friends, mercmerch.com is now live and active over the weekend. We had a flood of orders come in and it's, it's cooking. And so every day the guys are working on the orders. I went in, I think it was yesterday and was watching the process learning it myself so that I can help with that. But it is, it's a lot of fun, man. It's a lot of fun. And because we're handling it ourselves, it allowed us to launch the coffee, which is available. And you get your coffee. What's really cool about it is it's not something that's sitting on the shelf waiting to be shipped. We get your order and then we put that order into the roaster. So you get fresh bag of coffee and the freshest, the freshest it can be is what we're trying to give you. So if you're a coffee person, trust me, you're going to get fresh coffee and also a mercmerch.com.

17:21You can get the hats, t-shirts, hoodies like the hat here. And we have new designs coming soon. In fact, let's know in the chat below. We've been talking about those pre-order types of t-shirts, the one-offs where it's like we come back the next week and say we're doing a pre-order based off of last week's Slingshot Nation. Do you want a pre-order t-shirt of baby Tony and baby Jack before head of hair right there on the front, you know? And I need to just say Slingshot Nation or something like that. Do you want a t-shirt like that? Let's know in the chat. If we get it enough, people crying for it, maybe we'll make that for a pre-order and we'll come back next week and say, here's our first pre-order. I want to see your mom model it. That'll be the website. That'll be fun, man. That'll be fun. That's a great idea. That'd be really fun. Yeah, that'd be great idea. All right, so there's that. Also check out the newsletter, link in the description below. That's just the way we can keep in touch with you. And if everything else fails, YouTube decides to get quirky again and people get attitudes on the behind the screen. And we lose reach with you. The newsletter lets us let you know where we went and where you can find us. And the day we live in stuff, you just never know.

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20:24Then send a rant. Jack will be watching for them. That's right. Restrictions apply. There are a limited number of entries available. Terms and conditions apply. See the description below or visit rumble.com backslash promo official rules for details. Snail. Oh, I got boo. I got boo. That's the problem. Man. No, you did good man. You did good. No, that was awesome. So thank you very much, Rumble, for sponsoring the show. We appreciate you very much and all that good stuff. All right. So I saw a video pop up on my Instagram, which is how a lot of this show actually is developed. It's like I'm just like scrolling on Instagram and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, interesting. Then we have a slingshot nation save folder that we all share and we dump reels in there and brainstorm from there. That's I would say probably what 80% of how our show becomes. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you produce. Yeah. So I saw this like Instagram reel of trees and on water like like just it just looked

21:27like somebody was shooting land from a boat and I was like, what have and a scrolled past it. And then but whatever it is with the algorithm, it actually triggered my algorithm just me seeing it. And I couldn't get away from this like new story. And then you know, it takes a while. Like God usually sends me about a hundred signs before something sinks in, right? So this was like, hey, hey, I'm trying to give you a layup, you know? And it turns out there's this floating island, supposedly in Canada that people were filming. They're like, we don't know where this came from. It just kind of popped up out of nowhere. People who were very familiar with the area were like, it was like, this doesn't belong here. It's like a two minute news clip, right, Jack? It's kind of like breaking down, not breaking down, but it's kind of like a news story about

22:30what we're about to get into and stuff. It kind of spawned this mental process we had for today's show, which is like boom, boom, boom, boom. We're going to get to like flying geese or something like that. It's going to be great. Make sense. I don't worry about it. Let's go, Jack. All right. One second, I wanted the screen was instead of right. Sorry, guys. There we go. There we go. We're good. Here we go. Bing, bong. All right. So yeah. Anyway, good setup, Tony. Yes. Thank you. I said that. That can't be true.

24:03I'm not sure if you're going to be able to see the first time in BC's Northern interior. High winter snow packs and steady summer rains have filled the reservoir to the brim. So with the reservoir being higher than it has been in a while, that floating debris could have then broken free and was carried out of that sheltered area by the winds. This earth sciences professor agrees. The one-form of this woody debris that is probably quite thin, big aerial extent, but very thin, that is pulled off from the shoreline during a period of high water. But as for why it vanished, that's less clear. Local voters are out trying to find its new resting place. It does cause people to get really interested. And it is how in the world could that happen? An island of intrigue lost for now, but likely not gone.

25:03Katie, do you know what I mean? I guess we're done there. Jack said, pausing this. Done. So there's like the news there for that, right? And there's tons of coverage on this. I found it interesting. That guy, the old, I don't know if he was a professor or what, you know, but you know, I mean the mustache guy. The way he was talking, I was like, his tone says words, words, words. I have no ideas or words. Words. But everybody knows that professor that talks like that. That's true. I had plenty of them. But it was just like, I just felt like he was like, I have no idea. But I'm on the news. Yeah. It was because I mean, I've kind of been in similar shoes where people ask me for my opinion on something. I'm like, I have no opinion. And I'm expected to have one. You know, I can smell that from a while away. I know what that looks like. You know, makes you wonder if you got a phone call and like, Hey, can we come and interview you? Yeah. About what?

26:04The island has float. What island? I thought the island was going to go do some research about the island floating. Absolutely. Where you can be here. 10 minutes. Cool. Oh my gosh. I'm just like, at that moment, you wish you had Nurelink. You just download it. You know? It's going to happen. It's going to be useful. Nurelink's going to be useful. But, uh, oh, you know, I jumped in the tire segment. I just remembered that now. I just remembered that now. Didn't I? Okay. So bummer. Dude, I just ruined the show. You didn't. We're going back track though. We're going to back track. Can we backtrack? Yeah. I mean, just talking. Yeah. So it's interesting because he says like this floating debris, right? So it's like, they're actually our reports of like giant floating debris, but it's all old logs because they flooded in the valley. Like that makes sense. What does it make sense? Are these trees that look like they're probably like five, six years old that are eight feet tall floating on a carpet, like standing up, standing up. They don't fall over. Yeah. And that's the word that I've got.

27:04I've got a lot of growth like under the water and it looks nothing like a tree in the surface. So very strange. They have no idea what's going on. So I'll be right back to you, Tony. I just mapped it out my head. I'll bring it all together. So what you're saying though about this debris, I thought the same thing. And it's like, okay, if you're seeing like an island of debris, why are there trees growing on it, right? Yeah. Standing up. And if you're talking about, let's just say there's a natural force of nature that like trimmed land off and shifted like that. To me, that feels like such a big force of nature that it would have been measured somewhere. You know, like an earthquake, a terrible storm, things like that. It just seems like there really isn't much of a realistic explanation that's logical outside of it came from the upside down. Like that's that's that's what I say, right?

28:05Yeah. Or there's an atmosphere somewhere under the water. I mean, like, right, it's cracked through the, I love the fact that I love the fact that I can say something so ridiculous and Derek reacts like, oh, no, absolutely. I'm expecting like, oh, yeah, but it's like, oh, no, that totally makes sense. Totally. Absolutely. Look at that face. There's no reason for this to make sense though. No, I know. So like what they're honestly though, like dude, the first time I actually looked at that and stuff, I was like, that feels like worlds colliding. It really does. It feels like a manifestation in this side that just was temporary and then disappeared. You know, the thing that gets me is that if it's a piece of land that broke off, like that you're telling me that the top layer of land slid off into the, or that was growing out with nothing underneath it to begin with and then broke off. So that that way it was already a floating piece of debris. Yeah, I mean, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit of floating.

29:06Like people would have seen it, right? The whole way for it, like what they're insinuating is that this debris, these balls up of debris just because the brain was so high. So it changes the buoyancy or the pressure underneath the water. So it broke free. Yeah. So like, okay, so here's something. So we grew up, there's this place called Lake Anilani. And there's an island area that it's like a peninsula off of the middle island, right? That has lower line tree, tree growth. And whenever it rains heavy and you get a lot of rain, you know, you see the water level rise on those trees. And I'm sure there's other places that people can kind of mentally, you know, imagine this. And I've never seen those trees break off and float away. Right. And you know, floating in island, you know, in the middle of the lake. So I'm just saying, I've seen trees break off and flow sideways into the water, but not vertically, like they're rooted in. Like that's really the giant, been a giant mound of them. So like, so like our unscientific brains trying to make sense of it.

30:07So what Jack was saying, what did, okay, so if the water level rises and it happens often enough, could the water level rising be trimming away at the top layer of the land until it breaks off? And it just so happens that it's during a flood, it raises off, it breaks off and then wind pushes it off. So it actually tears it from the rest of the land. So each way at the ground underneath it, by the rising and falling of it. But I think that the motor likely situation that came from another realm, that's what I think. So I mean, think about like the manifestations that we talk about from other realms. Like you have like, I understand the idea of a floating island, like what's the point of that, right? But like if we're talking about worlds colliding, eventually that like we're coming to a pinnacle of warfare battle, all that. Like could we be seeing something where you see things that peek through that don't have an intention other than the realms are they, it's getting that close where it's like sometimes things pop through, right? Because like the question is then where did it go?

31:07They say it disappeared. It's not like it's still here. It's like, okay, scientifically, let's try proving it that this is how it happens. But now we can't find it again, you know? And so it's just like, I don't know, we see that there's other manifestations that pop through like UFOs, entities, things like that. And it's like why not if you have all these other things that come through could something seemingly as mundane as a floating island popped through. Maybe the floating island from another realm is a floating island. It's not even supposed to be connected to land. They have floating islands there. I don't know. Dad, you saw UFOs growing up. I did. Yeah. See how did that? Yeah. Cool. So. Good segue. I'm telling you, man. Veteran. Veteran. So. I like, so you, I, I talk about how growing up I had happy and things like that. The first chapter of my book is my first UFO encounter with mom who's actually over in the green room and watching this right now. And you, you had an experience when you were a kid, but you weren't alone.

32:08You were with your family, right? Yeah. Yeah, the whole family. And my aunt and her family. What happened? We were visiting them up in, in New Tripoli that they lived on an old farm. But they weren't farmers. They, they just rented the place up there. And we were outside. It was very rural. You know, there's like a hill across the street and a hill behind their house. So it's, they kind of sat in a valley. And we were outside a bunch of kids. I mean, I was probably six, seven years old, maybe, you know, five, six, seven in that, in that age group. And there was, I have, you know, I have a brother and three sisters and my aunt. Had five kids and her husband and herself and my mom and my dad. And we're all there. So we're, as the kids are outside, we're watching this. We see these two lights come up over the top of the one hill right across the street. And it's not like it's miles away. It's literally right across the street. We used to go sleigh riding. And these two lights came over silent. No noise at all.

33:09No noise at all. One, you know, two different, two different entities just kind of hovering right above the hill. It was really crazy. You know, and we're all like, we're all standing there. And everybody's older than me. I'm the youngest of my family. And they said, you know, go get, go get mom and dad. So me and my cousin Annie run in and get our parents and they come out and we're all, all of their parents, all the kids are standing there watching this. And there's these two lights just hovering over the hill, kind of move forward down the hill a little bit, back up the hill, silent. Not it. And this is like 1970s. This is not like, you know, nowadays drone type of stuff that's silent or anything like that. And eventually these things just kind of flew away. They went back over the other side of the hills and they were gone. And we all just stood there. I mean, just amazed. I mean, what do you make of that at, you know, six years old? What do you make of that? You know, but my brother is 12. So I checked it. I checked the store. I was like, I want it to make sure that I was remembering this thing. And I said, you know, Cam, do you remember this?

34:11Do you remember this? You know, do you remember seeing this at Anne Cheryl's house? And he was like, yeah, he said it was a crazy thing. He said they were silent and there was no noise. All the things that I, I, I, because like for years in my own head, I never talked about it because you're like, was I a kid and I dreamed it was, you know, you, you, you, you, you question your own, your own self. And, but I knew this was in the back of my head. So when, when, when our kids were, were younger, I, you know, talked to them about it when they were kids. Because I was just one of those things in my life that happened. And, you know, I was, I was always sure that I saw it, but it wasn't, but I wanted to check it. Yeah. That when Cameron, he's six years older than I am. So, you know, when I checked with him, he was like, yeah, if I was six, he was 12. I figured he's going to have a lot better memory of it than I am, you know? And he remembered it just, just like that. And it was just the weirdest thing. It was, you know, you, you know, no noise. That was the thing that, that, that grabbed everybody's attention was at these lights. We're just, one was, it, one was like a greenish blue and one was white.

35:12And that's the strength. Yeah, it's just a total lack of noise. So, definitely not a craft. It was like more of an orb. Yeah, it was just like an orb. But you, at the time, like, you didn't even know what to look for. You just saw the lights, you know, like, you just saw these big lights. Like, they were almost like, if you, if you imagine like the spotlights on a helicopter, you know, that's what you saw. Wow. But there was no helicopter noise. There was no other lights. There was no red lights, no marker lights, no anything. It was just these two lights. And they were, they were large. It wasn't like they were small. So I know the story of your grandfather, grandfather, or your dad would have been doing, they were protected by angels around the tent camp. Yeah. Would this be in the similar time vein of that? Yeah. It would have, yeah, yeah. Because I was wondering if it was like the angels observing or like other entities observing or seeing what was going on. Totally. So, some aspect of spiritual warfare that you guys actually witnessed with your actual eyes. And you ecology, a lot of these orbs are actually entities and deities and like they

36:15have a presence to them. So we like, we love to associate with craft because that's kind of like what like pop culture would like have you condition to believe. And I think what we're understanding now is like through CE5 and through these other things that people are summoning these entities out of the celestial and visible into our plane as orbs. Right. And so like I wonder if that was a connection to the spiritual warfare that your, your father was actually doing at the time. That is amazing. I never even, I never put those two things together. Yeah, just growing up because you're so used to, because after that growing up, especially when I hit my driving years and that kind of stuff, I gravitated to like Tony, I gravitated to all the UFO stuff, all of the, all, and you kind of immerse yourself in it. And you begin to look at, okay, is it an orb? Is that what these were or these, you know, but I never put that, that aspect. But yeah, it was, yeah, my dad had, my parents got saved in 1974 and my aunt Cheryl was the one that led them to the Lord.

37:16And it was in that timeframe right after that that, you know, so this, yeah, we're probably talking 1975, 76 timeframe for this. I mean, that's insane because like knowing I've read some of Tony's book, it's really great. And him sharing those aspects of how his grandfather had such impact in his own ministry, his own life of where he's at with Christ. Yeah. So like you think like if these entities can understand beyond time, like what the impact of someone's salvation is, you know what I mean? If that's the same timeframe of things, yeah, like imagine if it's, because I was going with the same way, the way that you were going, imagine if it was something, if it was something that was, if he wasn't actually involved in ministry at the time, if this was something that was protecting him from something that might come. Sure. And keep it from getting into things. And the thing is like we don't know what it was. So we don't know if it was good, bad, what, right? Yep. Because I mean, like there could be the, the idea that, you know, say it's good, like

38:16and they came through and it was just like, you caught a moment that actually happened more often than not, right? Of angelic protection, observance, you know, because they're here reporting to the boss kind of thing. Like we can't even get in that scripture. Sure. Or it could be the other side of it too, where it's like, newly, newly, newly walking with Christ and the domino effect that like, I personally don't believe that these entities, good or bad have the ability to really see what's the future like accurately, but I do believe they've been around a long time, extremely smart for our standards and the pattern recognition is there. And so could it have been something where there was an observance? And maybe this happens to a lot of people and you just don't catch it all the time. But like, like, what's the word I'm looking for? Is it sentinel? Like, something that goes out and to observe. Observe. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's almost like, you know, could there be a sentinel, good or bad?

39:18But let's just, you know, we've talked of the good. But what if there's a bad in the sense of like, observing and seeing gathering data to try to steer things certain directions, knowing what the domino effect could be, right? You know, because I mean, here we are, you know, many years later. And it's like, we see what the domino effects were from Pappy's decisions to you, to you, Mary, mom, to me. Like, there's a whole lineage that was built out from that timeframe. Yeah. You know, and it's just really interesting to consider what, what that was because I mean, I mean, everybody has different opinions. It's about this table, we do look at a lot of the supernatural aspect of this stuff. Like, I mean, there is the physical side. There is nuts and bolts. There is physical that is originated from here, but also comes from other places. Very physical, you know, but what you described sounds a lot more like it could have been, like more of an entity, sky entity, more spiritual. And it just, it really does make you wonder where

40:21what the purpose of that was. Maybe there was a data collecting situation there, whether it was good or bad. And I don't know. It's really interesting. It's really interesting. You mentioned also that it was, you mentioned it was, you just brought that, I forget how during your description, like the silence or the lights were like a helicopter, right? Yeah. And I find that really interesting because I describe what me and mom saw very similarly. It's kind of crazy. Yeah. It's not like it's not like the light shown out. It illuminated itself and the ground around it. But not like it was shooting at you, like, you know, a helicopter light was you were understanding, looking for something. It wasn't like it was just, it was just like it was just this ball of light, you know, like it just, and it just illuminated everything. Both of them illuminated the ground around it. You could see it, the light on the hill, but it didn't come at you. Like the light was not directed towards you. It was just like you, but we hear about orbs

41:22today, you know, which is why, you know, when you're a kid, you're trying to piece all this together. Yeah. But don't try to piece. No, still, yeah. I mean, I'd love to revisit that. Yeah. You know, well, I mean, it's, I mean, I say that I say that with caveats, like, I don't want to be too close. Oh, yeah. It's like I want to see a big foot, but not too close. Yeah. I want to drive by. I mean, the category now that stuff. I'm like, I want to accidentally see it right. Right. Right. Right. But I can verify to what you said, because I remember you telling us a story, and I probably asked you a dozen times about it over the years. And I remember I was, I was a young teenager. I was probably about 13 or 14 years old. And we were at Amponnie's house. And it was nighttime. It was dark. The kids were outside playing. You're outside in the driveway with your brother. And I remember standing closer to the road. You're in the driveway probably about 10, 15 feet from me. And I remember you bringing it up and saying, Hey, do you remember? And I just remember him going, yeah. Yeah. I remember that. Yeah. And the funny thing is he never really

42:24talked about it. He just verified his, I guess. Yeah. I do remember that. And, you know, and I've always been like, okay, so elaborate. Because like I was only like six. You're like 12. You're like, can you elaborate? You're like, you know, shed some light on it. You feel like the crazy wife is telling your story. Right. And I wonder sometimes if he just felt that way. Because we never really as a family talked about it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so I'm wondering if everybody just had that. Did I see what I saw? Yeah. You know, well, I'm just looking at the date that the ages here on that was right and down. So UFO was, you said five, six, or seven, seven, yeah. And I would, I would just split in the middle and say six. Right. So it was old enough to remember something retain it. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna call it my attention. And the, the, the miracle you were talking about leg growing, you said you were between eight and five or eight and 10. Eight and 10. So this predated that. And like we're talking about attention from the other side. Yeah. Domino effects. Like clearly that timeframe, Papi and Grammy changed their lives spiritually.

43:29Yeah. This happens. Papi's ministry starts going and taking off. And, and, and, and it wasn't even like he was trying. It wasn't like his, like we said, it wasn't his full-time job. It's just some that God just kind of like ordained into his life. It was, and it was a weekend. Like we, for one summer, every weekend we went camping to this place. We was called praise city. And it was an old, as an evangelist that had his name was Lenny Anderson. And my dad got involved with, with him as a ministry. And there was demon possessions, demon, you know, praying for people to be released from demons. It was all kinds of, healings, all kinds of stuff that went on at that, at that camp on the weekends. And it was just every weekend for a whole summer. We were immersed in this thing. Wow. And we all went, you know, my parents didn't leave us kids at home. We all went along. We were all at every service. We were all, you know, involved in all this stuff. It was, it was probably the most fun and the most, the most learning Christian experience I'd ever had. And I think all of us would say that because I think it's something we saw because it's solidified

44:32in our hearts. That this isn't a joke. That this Christian life isn't fake. That God does deliver people. That God does heal people. That God is real. And he moves. And to see the change in my parents, to see the change in people's lives, it really is. And when I sit, because I don't, I don't sit and think about this all the time. But when I do, it just really, it grabs me because it's like it made a difference for us all. As imperfect as people are, you know, it made a difference in us all. Absolutely. And it was just, it was, it was an amazing summer. It really was. It was an amazing summer. That's cool. That's so cool. I mean, so like people, depending on how far we go on this, I should have changed the title. We're showing everything. But I'm curious. Because I mean, this is the abducted by Ellen. So the abducted by God. Right. Exactly. Because like, I mean, I haven't seen you in over two years. Right. Yeah. That's your whole life. Visiting here because Lindsay had got diagnosed with cancer last April and a week later,

45:37you had health issues. Yeah. Had a hard time. Yeah. Yeah. And so like, we were planning on going out. So like, this is a, that's like, catching up right now. Yeah. Yeah. But I have been around it myself just a few weeks ago. We were doing baptisms and we believe there was, there was at least one case where the woman, like, something left her body and she physically got lighter. But it was like, none of us push her out of the body. She'd like flew out of the body. It was out of the water. It was wild. But you hear stories and stuff. And I don't want to say they're all like this. But I would say for the most part, I've gathered that the idea of an exorcism is not the most Hollywood terrifying thing in the world. You seeing it that during that summer and stuff, would you would you say that it was just more of like people being freed from demons and not like some kind of person's head turning around spinning on their shoulders kind of thing? 100%. Yeah. It's more people being freed. It's more the things that they say while you're praying for them, while they're

46:40being prayed for. I mean, just some of the things that you would know, it's just that you know, it's not them. And in a few minutes, you know, or over over a time of prayer, they're released. And you see it in their their countenance. The person is changed. And it's just crazy. And you don't talk about this stuff. Like I don't talk about this stuff much because most of the people that I talk to at church are less interested in the supernatural, which is a shame. It's a shame because God is supernatural. He is the ultimate supernatural. You know, and but we ignore it. I think if you want to understand, if you want to, it's not the only way. I think because God is God is so omnipotent and he created everything that we can experience. You can seek him through some of the different aspects, right? But by not trying to seek and understand the supernatural, I think you're missing out on the opportunity to get to know your savior, your God in a more intimate way. Because

47:44the more you try to pursue understanding who he is and you lean into his supernatural aspects, the more you get blown away by how small you are and how great an infinite he is. And the other thing too is like, we're talking about a supernatural God and the things that he does and the things that he, his being being supernatural. But it comes down to the things that are fundamental in our faith and our walk with Jesus Christ. It's like, if you really want to understand what it's like to pray with power, to pray over healing, to pray for even your own doubt to be removed. I mean, that is supernatural because these are natural instincts in us to doubt, to lack faith, to lack the thought that healing is possible. And those in itself, the fundamentals of your faith, your walk with God, those are supernatural. So it takes the belief in the supernatural already in your God to believe that that's possible. Yeah, absolutely. It's one of the things that I was, I was fine so fast. Thanks. I'm sure you and I've had this conversation before just talking

48:48about it. When you think about it in 2026, some guy named Elijah was on a mountain and he prayed down fire from heaven after wetting down the altars of the other priests. Would we believe it if somebody told us that? In 2026, if somebody told us that some guy named Elijah went onto a mountain and God came down and showed himself in the wind and in the storm. But I'm in the small quiet things too. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? Would we believe it? It's almost like we've lost that that we're so afraid in the church. The understanding of who he is. Yeah, we're so afraid of it in the church today because other people have abused it. That we don't that we don't even talk about it anymore. That's good. That's good. That's good. That's the idea that because of other people abused it, I think you're right. And I didn't come up in the abusive environment of that and like the I didn't I haven't

49:54experienced the negative side. All right. The nearly as much of my life as far as like people abusing the supernatural with God. And I just look at it and like man, you come to an understand like a just a different understanding, a deeper understanding, the more you you really lean into that. And I don't even know how to lay out that blueprint of for people to lean into that understanding as much as just like understand. If you want to understand him, you have to understand that there's a huge part of him that's supernatural. And the more you let go of your preconceived natural thoughts and opinions on things and lean into the the impossibility of him, the more you just you get taken away, swept away with this like gratitude of who he is and that he did think enough to die on the cross for you. Yeah. Like you're impossible. Like you're you're you're literally impossibly nothing to him. Yeah. But yeah, he makes you everything. It's wild. Yeah, it's wild.

50:57And I think sometimes the the best blueprint is that people just sit down and read his word. Yeah, just read what what what is written down about him. And you'll experience the supernatural just in that because it is a supernatural experience. Yeah, you'll speak back to you. Sit down to read it within 10. Don't just sit down to read it, but read it with the intent to know him. Yep. To find something out about him. Yeah, I'm just reminded of like first Corinthians 2, it says like no one can truly know God because he's a spirit. So you have to know his spirit to truly know God. Which is why we have to know him in spirit and spirit. Right. And I think that's also Apple will to like understanding scripture because I think a lot of people read scripture without the spirit of God in them. Yeah. And then they're not able to actually like have that supernatural. Yeah. Like connection to the word of God that is there. Yeah. Because you're not connecting to his spirit when you're reading it. Yeah. And so that's just really vital. I think people, you know, like understand that God is spirit. This is a huge aspect of our faith and our walk in and connecting to God directly through his spirit is how we're designed to be. Yeah. Yeah. Really. So, um, yeah, I agree with everything's being said right now.

51:58Stamp approval. So I want to I want to transition here, but I think a good way to transition is to actually give you a shout out for your show because people don't even know half the time. You know, like you have a podcast called Faith Full Circle. Yeah. Three words. Three words. Not two. So it's faith. F you LL as a second word and then circle. Faith full circle. And it's conversation like this that you have with a guy from church, right? Yep. Two guys. Yeah. Yeah. So just tell us about briefly and just three of us get together. We right now we're just kind of like talking a little bit about Tozer. We're talking about the pursuit of God. We're just talking about our lies. Tozer not Tozer. A W Tozer. Probably one of the most powerful books I've ever read. I don't know if you've ever read it, but if you ever get an opportunity to read the what you do, you know, you have the opportunity to read some great book. It's really it's just a great book. But we're just kind of in our conversations, we're we're talking about that and having conversation at the same time. And then we kind of veer off sometimes and talk about will the one guy is involved in a

53:02it's called deeper still. It's an abortion healing um Organizational ministry for women who have been through abortion or for women and men who have you men who have suffered with you know, their wife or their girlfriend had an abortion or whatever And they're dealing with the aftermath of that and she's dealing with the aftermath and the guilt and everything else and they help people heal in Christ. Yeah. And I think it's a great thing. It's that's called deeper still. So we talk about that sometimes. But it's just use just conversations like this about God. What's what he's doing in our lives, what he's done in our lives. What's happening around us and his word. I felt like we were having a faithful circle right here. It was. Yeah. That was really cool. Commerce. Yeah. I really enjoyed that. Well, I'll tell you what. I mean, I think the way we got off on that was this aspect of the transitioning between sides, right? And like we don't know. We don't know if that island came from another side or not, right? But when I first saw the story, that's what I was thinking. Here. You know, and then the UFOs coming through and then you having those UFO experiences. I wanted to bring it up earlier, but I told it for you. I'll work now. Yeah. It all was up for the

54:04best. I was like, I'm forgetting something. I'm jumping into this too soon. And when you correct me, you usually correct me, but you didn't correct me today. I was supposed to correct you. Oh, no, don't correct me. God. Thanks for the good to those who are called according. Absolutely. So we got on that topic of the floating island. And we started kind of going down that that rabbit hole. It turns out there's other islands that have gone missing. I know you went on a deep dive with one of the islands. I briefly hit on the one that was called Burmese Ha. I think it is out of Mexico. They actually have I have it here in the notes. They so they actually give coordinates. And it's 22 33 north 91 22 west. You go to that on on Google Maps and it is not it's existing. It's not there. But apparently it had been there for most history. And I think in the late 90s, I think in the late 90s, it had disappeared or something

55:08but then in 2009, Mexico's Chamber of Deputies commissioned researchers from the National Autonomous University of Mexico to investigate it. They go out on scene. Man, I'm always ready. I'm sorry. And they investigated roughly 223 square kilometers of sea floor around the traditional coordinates. They found absolutely nothing. There was no island. There was no submerged island. No obvious remains of an island. No shallow bankwear. An island might recently have existed. So it's like this thing absolutely gone. So we have this idea that a floating island is floating around. Hey, where does island come from? And then now it's gone. Well, where to go? Right. And nobody nobody knows where it went. You know, now we have this Burmese Ha island which was mapped. Governments have searched for it now. And they're like, where did this island go? And it was an important landmark for the territory that Mexico owned of the Gulf of America.

56:09And so it's like where did it go? Suspicion? Maybe. Maybe there was technology involved where these things kind of like taken away by advanced tech that's been reversed, reversed engineered from the other side. I don't know. But you got an island that you wanted to talk about as well. Yes to do. Please tell me so they didn't find it. There's a few paragraphs I'm going to read. And it's really interesting as we break it down. He's already got his pillow ready. So he's going to snooze it out. But kind of clear my throat. Just give you all right. It's interesting as we're going to read through this though. There one gentleman actually talks about an enchantment and that they broke through the enchantment, which is how they reach this mysterious island. So is there something else going on in this realms that we don't understand? It's weird that the Mexican island actually there's no sub aquatic structure for it or anything you

57:11would expect to see volcanic activity or an earthquake fall. Something it could have slid into. But no, it's completely gone. And so this island also it's called it's called Hybrosil and it's off the coast of Ireland. And so the lore is is that King Arthur when he was dying, it was last battle. His sister took him out there and she learned magic from Merlin and they actually were able to cloak the island. And so that no one reverse out just what you just said, say it again. Little slower. Okay. I'm trying to mad to set my head. So this is wild. King Arthur during his reign. Yeah. He's in his last battle. He gets wounded. Uh-huh. So before he dies, they actually send him off to this island of Hybrosil. This is this is the lore and his sister is with him. More gain. More gain learns basically how to do a spell that she learned from Merlin. They go to the island and she like puts the whole island under a spell to basically make it

58:11disappear. So he alone so no one would find the remnants of King Arthur as he dies. So that's the lore of this island. This island that like basically appears and then disappears. Wow. And what's weird is actually historical accounts of like companies in Britain looking for the island. There's accounts of voyagers finding a random island that had unique things on it and then going back to it and then never finding it again. And so it's just off the coast of Ireland. So I'm just going to read a couple paragraphs here. This is for centuries sailors longing west from Ireland told of an island that appeared through the fog and vanished before it could be reached. They called it Hybrosil. A place drawn on maps sought by ships and said to lie just beyond the ordinary world in April of 1668. A gateway man named Merro Oli claimed that he had crossed that hidden boundary. Oli said he was walking alone after trouble at home when strangers seized him, forced him into a boat and carried him to a mysterious island. He remained there for two days.

59:16From its shores he believed he could still see Aaron Islands and the other coastal parts of Ireland. Yet when his captors returned him, they blindfolded him and left him near Galway. Soon afterward he became gravely ill. Then years later the man who had never been formally studied medicine reportedly began treating sickness and performing surgeries with remarkable skill. A later family tradition supplied the missing piece. On Hybrosil it said Oli had been given a strange medical book and warned not to open it for seven years. When the appointed time passed he opened the volume and discovered the knowledge that made him a healer. The book connected to this legend still exists and it's known as the Book of Oli or the Book of Hybrosil. It is a 15th century manuscript of vellum pages written in Irish and Latin filled with intricate tables of disease, symptoms and cures. This manuscript however is older than Oli by nearly two centuries. Scholars identify it as an Irish translation of a

1:00:19medical work ultimately derived from his physician Ibn Jaz-la, a medieval Baghdad. Medieval Baghdad. It did not originate with Oli but somewhere along the way of the real book and the story of the Vanished Island became inseparable. A genuine medical treasure had been acquired through other worldly history. And only a few years after Oli's alleged journey another visited enter the land. Captain John Nisbeck was said to have sailed into a heavy fog in 1674 and watched an unknown island appear in the as the miscleared. His crew went ashore and they found enormous black rabbits, a stone castle, and a solitary old man who claimed the sailors had broken and enchantment. In gratitude he supposedly sent them home with gold and silver. Another captain, Alexander Johnson was later said to have followed Nisbeck and confirmed the discovery.

1:01:21And one discovery even predating this is they said they went to Hybrisol and it was named Brazil because of the Brazil wood. There's a certain wood that's like red colored. And so they actually when they went to this mysterious island were like loaded up their ships with this really precious red wood. And that's where they said they went to Hybrisol and discovered it there. So how did they break the enchantment? Who knows? I mean maybe they were like praying and somehow they broke the spell or like who knows how they actually broke. And this is like a this is a legend case. This isn't just like a legend and real story. So like the visitation of Captain Nisbeck is allegedly it's confirmed by Alexander Johnson that they went to some island. Okay. They assumed that it could have been Hybrisol. The legend of Hybrisol with this other gentleman's with like with the book. Again, it's like there's no proof that he went anywhere. But this random historical medical book appears to him. And then he actually has the skills to then do medical treatments.

1:02:26Wow. That's wild. So this is interesting because I briefly thought about bringing this up and I forgot. And then you brought brought something up and I wrote down book and then you brought this other book up and I'm just like this is why we do this, right? Yeah. So what was the manuscript call again? It was called book of Olese. Yep. The book of Olese. So and that was in 15 15th century. 15th century. Interesting. The 15th century. We do we we don't know like anywhere other than that time frame wise. It just says 15th century. Okay. So Latin and mostly Irish men some Latin. That's it. Okay. So the Voynich manuscript is another they think it's medical and it appeared in the 15th century as well. Early 15th century 1404 to 1438. It's written just as off top in my head. I don't remember all the details. But it's written in

1:03:26in a language that they don't totally understand. There's illustrations and it's I believe it was written on something that they don't know what it is. It's like some kind of like papyri that they they're like we don't know exactly where this came from. Interesting. And otherworldly. Exactly. Exactly. So I say it almost like tongue and cheek just because I know it seems ridiculous on the on the surface level and island manifesting from another realm get real. But like you start falling the the trail. And whether that island came from another realm or not we have these cases of things coming in and out from our realm. Things taking things from here and also things from there coming here like the books. So this Voynich manuscript people have no idea from what I understand where it came from. And they they believe it has it's like some kind of medical journal because it has like plants and stuff inside of it that I don't even know if they have an able to identify all the plants

1:04:26inside of it. It's very mysterious. I hate to do this but episode 692 we were told that that manuscript came from the other side. And interesting. The guy telling us this story that his friend said the Voynich manuscript came from the other side. He has a brother who also accepted the entities invitation and entities working for ball. And he had a quote unquote real dream, realistic dream. When he came back he brought a book back with him. And the book like was physically from my understanding remember there because I do remember I interviewed his brother I sat and talked to his brother. I remember his brother telling me he buried it in their backyard under a tree. And I don't remember if it was that he was instructed to do that or what. But I remember sitting outside of their childhood home which they no longer own thinking do I hop the fence and start digging the yard just to see if it's there. You know, like I literally was sitting there

1:05:29idling in the truck that would cross my mind as well. Right. Absolutely. Is it worth it? Is it worth it? Jack's over there shaking his head. No. But it's so we have your mysterious book this mysterious book 1500 or the 15th century. And then we have this other story from the show where I had a guy literally tell me he brought a book back. And I don't think he even remembered what the book was. I think actually if I remember correct the he we went we went and brought it up during the conversation and it was like a realization that that was real. I don't remember exactly how the conversation went. But like he was like kind of reeling at certain points during our conversation like kind of taking back about like holy cow like I thought I was imagining this you know. And because there it was crazy. But so these books that are kind of coming in now to manifesting right. So it's like if in an inatimate object like that could manifest in an out of our reality. Like what are what are the limits. And then if that is actually a thing right. If that's actually

1:06:30a thing that happens through supernatural means we know our government has been reverse engineering the supernatural to be able to manifest and do the things that they see mirrored from the supernatural. So would it be a rum of impossibility that if the manifestation of these books supernatural is happened between realms. And our government which of course if you know about it and I know about they know about it is it too far of a stretch to say that as soon as they knew about it. We'll get into the story later. But in the early 1900s as soon as they know about it. Would they not want a reverse engineer that power to for their own reasons. Of course they would 100% well. And so in this there's an article on wired. And this is from July 29th 2021. There's phantom warships causing chaos conflict outside of Ireland. And what year was this 2021. So there's the Queen Elizabeth. And it says all the GPS went like crazy at one spot of the island. And it looked like they were actually in different locations according to the GPS. So is there some

1:07:35like earth anomaly aspect like like is the earth itself shifting or is there a realm bleeding or like I don't even know I don't even like even like the weird floating island like is there somewhere where we're puncturing through a different reality space. If it is middle earth or something and the the magnetic sphere is so strong that it's able to like pull things in and out of it. Yeah. So that reminds me of another episode. Welcome to the professionals. But another legendary episode 122. One of the things that he described was when they were on the ship. I believe going to a location. I don't know if you know I probably talked to you about that at one point. But just reminded 122 is the guy who went on that he was military went on that mission to recover the downed aircraft and was told to destroy the thermite. He sees an unknown language on the inside. And he was told by one of the scientists with him that it was in knocking language. And he's like what's that? And he's like it's a demon language. We need to get out of here. Right. So part of that whole thing was this realm shifting experience. So I always whenever I'm like a guest on some show or

1:08:39the topic comes up. The whole idea of the craft. What he saw inside the knocking language, fallen angel language, demon language, all that stuff comes up and that's really focused on. But there's so many details in that story leading up to that and leaving their height going in and out. They were doing it was it's weird because I didn't have the vocabulary and understanding for it back then. But it was like they were transcending around like like almost like like the geographical physical area that this thing was in was inside of some kind of shifting bubble of some kind. Like like like like like an island of that's a manifestation thing or if it's a sense that it's always like that or maybe it does that portal, whatever bubble it is move around. But it was like their journey to site where the downed aircraft is that they needed to recover information off of and destroy the thermite. There was this like weird shifting experience that they had leading into it and leaving. So like I could I pull that 10 different ways, right? But the reason why I bring this up is because the ship I believe if I remember correctly, he talks about how

1:09:39the compass and their direction was just all chaotic like like the magnets were just going berserk going into this area and and then just even the time freezing that happened and all this weird stuff. It's like I don't think everybody on that mission. He I believe like I've actually I know I said publicly a couple of times over the last year that he kind of dropped off the radar. He actually popped back on and we don't talk a ton but he's alive. And he he aside because he his his confusion and the whole thing he wasn't expecting what he got. But I do believe somewhere on that mission probably not the group crew guys he actually went to shore with but somewhere on that mission the things and the anomalous experiences they had were expected and somebody understood what they were getting involved in. And I think that there's something happening where the powers that be they understand the supernatural they understand how these two worlds fit together like a glove and they overlay each other and they have been for decades working on how to transcend that at

1:10:45will. I believe they probably have figured it out a long time ago. And that's probably what he experienced. He probably experienced not knowing a transcending into another reality essentially that because I mean that's one thing that we saw with the metal project when we went down to the area where this mysterious metal is in the middle of the woods. We spent like a week there it's funny like dad's looking at me like what tell me about this. I'm like oh they do and my life is so crazy I forgot to tell you everything. He forgot to watch the show. Hi, so but we went down to this area where this mysterious metal all this like time still like time lab things, time speeding up like all this weird stuff happens in this meadow. So we went down for a week and research research experience experience. We just we just existed right. One of the things that brought us down there the biggest thing that brought us down there was the fact that one night this research team had their thermals out and they were observing the terrain and the woman had that was working a thermal had saw this cube thing pop up on thermal she couldn't see with

1:11:48her naked eye it was nighttime is dark anyways but she couldn't see with her naked eye on the thermal though you could see it and she grabs another night vision camera that they had that actually records by the time she gets it up it starts fading but you can still see it a little bit they direct their team to go to the location so they're verbally over radio telling them where to go the guys are walking blind they don't know what they're getting involved in that or what they're looking for in the natural eyes they don't see anything but when you see them on video getting up to the cubed area as soon as they cross that threshold they disappear they disappear and they say that when they went into whatever this was that when they didn't know they're across the threshold but they said suddenly when they did cross that threshold the environment around them changed they they were transcending something and then they came back across that threshold they were visible again and I've been there I've seen the location we've already debunked the whole idea of foliage and all that stuff this is something that absolutely happened and two of those guys

1:12:51that went in are no longer with us they passed away and it was an unexpected type of passing so like there's these things that are happening that we have talked about on the show and that that we like my for me I don't want to speak for everybody else but for my whole heart believe this happened excuse me I'm not crying I'm choking on my spit I'm getting so excited I'm choking on my fifth full heart believe that this stuff is happening right and then these accidental situations happen where people observe it and record it and and and transcend by accident and all that stuff I do believe that people in authority understand it they've been reverse engineering it they've been manufacturing it and they've been pursuing it and I really I don't know how I got on this tangent there to bring it back into reality but I think that when it comes to all this stuff the the the the the ships the plains the islands the books appearing people disappearing you talk about missing 4011 sudden disappearances all this stuff it could be a mixture of people

1:13:52accidentally shifting to it being manufactured on purpose targeted attacks to sending troops into areas that has a manufactured shifting point that they have to traverse through for a specific reason and the troops don't even realize what they're getting involved in because they have well they have no choice hmm well I mean like I'm still like working on my book and there's actually a really interesting overlap with alchemy and like how a lot of these guys like John D and some of these like really like grandfather of the a coal were actually creating an ockie and language for rituals yep I mean you're talking hundreds of years now that they have known in the secret societies about how to eat through cabala even like some in angels some in beings use these words to like manifest things that they want and so like you know a ship with a knocking language on it yeah to me clearly right clearly you're right hello it's like hello hello wow L.A. M. Arzuli

1:14:56so you know like those are the things it's too much to just dismiss and ignore that like these things that go missing is it like even like when we read here it says this somehow they broke I'm going to find a real quick, he broke the enchantment, right? And they saw how they broke an enchantment. So that's how they were able to find the island. I mean, that's a nice lure, but like, what if this is legit? Like what if these are legit? Like again, alchemy is a mixing of science and like spiritual practice. Right. And so this is what real science really is. This is a blending of these sciences with occult rituals. They're tearing through the veil. I mean, the same with like, you go to gateway and they say you meditate and you go into these like spaces where there's no time and space. You're moving into the e3 all into this other realm. That's outside time space. And so like if you have magnetic anomalies and time space differentials and you have random occurrences that are functioning in those ways, it really all lines up to the same thing.

1:15:58Technology mixed with the occult and it's like, man, this may go back way, way, way before. Yes. You know what I mean? Like who was Merlin? Like if this is legit and then we're talking about like real lore of these things, like they might have had the ability to make things disappear for a very long time. So tech being mixed with the occult going back long time ago makes perfect good sense. If you take the perspective of rebelled fallen beings, yes, rebelling against God from the time they rebelled to now continually, would they not, would they wait until 2026 just to finally start teaching man how to combine what they know how to do versus with the technology or would that be something that would be starting a long, long time ago. And we have these key figures throughout history who represent that, could you? Yeah, I know. I was just going to say it's like the book of Enoch with the watchers. I mean, that's like, you know, was the island a place that they were at and giving knowledge of medical, you know, advancements or whatever.

1:17:01And I mean, how many times has that happened? How many times is we've seen, we've heard even just in Diana Pissolka's book, the American Cosmic about the CEOs and of tech industries that are getting these downloads through dreams or visions and they're creating these advancements, very similar topic, very similar structure. So it could have been something like that too. It's all these little threads that you tend to forget about when you're compiling all this information, like you just bringing up the CEOs and stuff. Like that's a huge deal that's not talked about a whole lot because at least on this table, it's like that's actually probably minor, you know, compared to what we talk about. But like, I totally forgot about that till he said that. I mean, that is a huge deal. I mean, you're talking about the leading industry in the world and the leaders of that industry, the tech industry, having that happen, it's like, we're already at the very root and foundation of our own technology having this mixture and crossover. It's wild. Yeah. You brought up this island. I'm so glad you brought all that up because that was fun.

1:18:02That was a lot of fun. I don't want to stop. But I'll bring it if you don't, but you said there was a bridge from this to missing ships. We had the ships. So the ships in the Irish Sea were affected by the anomaly of the sea somehow and the GPS was whacked out and their locations were displaced. Yeah. So intentionally, unintentionally, I don't know. And when was this again, 2021, 2021? So if that's happening in 2021, is it a far stretch to say that in 1946, they might be trying to work on that technology or 46, 43 work on that technology and perfect it, experiment with it through the Philadelphia experiment, right? Absolutely. So it's like October 28, 1943. And it's this supposedly happened. And what I found interesting is I was just kind of brushing up because I mean, honestly, it's a fun story. It's pretty good. It doesn't get talked about a whole lot. And I was brushing up on the details of it this morning.

1:19:05And I found it actually really, and you know what, what I'm about to say is probably something that has been already like, oh yeah, we've talked about that many times. I'm not saying this is groundbreaking at all. But for me, it was because I forget everything. I was like, oh, this is like new information. It's like, no, you talked about 10 times on the show already. This guy, Carl M. Allen, who is the source of this claim, he starts, so he was an ex-merchant mariner who said he witnessed it from the SS Andrew. I'm not going to try to pronounce that for useth. Yeah, it looks good. That's right. That's right. So it checks, like just keep it going. But the story didn't surface till like 1955. So we're talking about a dozen years after the supposed incident. This story is coming forward. Now, gah, Lee. So Allen mailed the office of Naval research in anonymous package containing Morris K. Jessibs, UFO book covered this whole thing was covered in handwritten notes.

1:20:07Like just if you want to say, you know, notes of a madman, right? But he says it's three unnamed commentators. So he's claiming that it's more than just him writing, right? It's discussing alien propulsion and warning Jessib was getting close to the truth. So I want to just kind of focus on the fact that one, what we're talking about, the cover up that would be involved in that, right? And is it a stretch? And I don't think it is to see, and this again, this is probably part where everybody's made already made the connections, but I was excited about it. Is it a stretch to say that Carl was a plant to give this information to Jessib, who is writing about UFOs saying he's getting close and he introduces this whole story, fictional story of the Philadelphia experiment using real data and information that Jessibs getting

1:21:14close to, to cover over what Jessibs actually researching to discredit him. Because later on, it says here, Alan then wrote Jessib directly under his own name and alias Carlos Miguel, Alenda, when Jessib pushed for proof, Alan turned vague, claimed memory loss and cited a newspaper article that apparently never existed. Jessib, Jessib looks into it more. There was some memos created through O and R and 12 years later, Alan admitted he wrote all the annotations himself, just to, quote, scare the hell out of Jessib. Jessib's career collapsed afterward. He lost his publisher and died by suicide in 1959. Missing scientists? Well, yeah, missing scientists. But even so that's what I brought up the idea of Rictody. That's a very similar thing. Rictody was sent to discredit.

1:22:16I forget the man's name, but the man, I believe, died the same way. I believe. I don't remember I didn't look it up, but it has shadows of that. And we, do we have a case here? We're back in 1943. They're saying that this happened. What happened several years, just a few years after 1943? Roswell. Things were happening before Roswell. 1945 was, was that the Amalachia working? No, there was earlier. 1918. So like, I think it's 1918 that Amalachia working is happening with Alistair Crowley. He summons the entity lamb who comes from a portal egg bubble, right? So we had that. So we have like the government and, and, and Joel is the one to talk about this, but Crowley was like this double agent, worked for MI6. Probably us, but it was before the CIA existed. He was like this double agent. So what if he's working all this stuff and our Intel's gathering stuff and they're seeing what's happening and they're working on things and they're not ready to talk about it.

1:23:16And so when people like researchers throughout our history over the last, nearly going on almost 100 years now, 70 something years, get too close to the truth before the government wants to release to the UFO files. They start covering creating a cover story that makes that person's research into UFOs discredited and ridiculous because the cover story is seem so ridiculous. It didn't happen, but they actually have the technology to do that, but they didn't. So they create that story, make this person look ridiculous at point, it drives him mad. And it's a whole lot of truth with a little bit of a lie. That dude, right there. What does that say? Oh, a little truth in a lie. That's right. That's literally what I wrote down when we were planning this. Yeah. And so it's like, what did the Philadelphia experiment didn't happen? Right. But it's actually part of a greater and deeper sinister plot to cover up the truth about UFOs and their nature and where they're coming from. And now we might see less of the cover story and people passing away like that because

1:24:20they're actually coming out with information. Would it be crazy? It probably won't ever happen if it even if what I'm saying is true. But wouldn't it be crazy as part of the UFO drops? Something like this comes out as the truth of what actually happened to Philadelphia experiment. No, man. So like Jack Parsons and Ronald Hubbard were the ones in the early 40s doing a desert ritual, summoning things. So that's right around the same timeframe. Parsons is the one that ends up leading the JPL, the Jet Propulsion Labs. And so like you talk about like historically, even Crowley was mixed in with. The Germans during World War one and that whole cult leading up to the SSS, the Lima, like the whole mixing of the occult like backside of the underbelly, if you will, of these elites in Germany, like Crowley was right there. He was tied all in with it. He bit, he ditched it because he was all about like free will and they were trying to make it like a collective will basically to create mindslaves. And so that's why he backed out of it. But like all of the same rituals, the same tactics, the same spells and things are probably

1:25:23all layered over really well. And so if we have technology from the Delgloca from the Italian bell shaped craft that landed in 33, like that 100% this could have been technology that they had. What if they had the reactors for the ship and they're like, maybe it'll work on a marine ship because we're going to war. Let's try it out. And so they try it out. And so they have a reverse engineered reactor for a spacecraft wrapped, stat like literally duct taped to a spaceship to see if it would work and they have crazy results. And they say, well, you know, we don't want people stuck to the freaking ship on the way back. So this is not going to work. You know, so like the technology I agree with you is likely there and they maybe created a ship story to throw off the scent of the reality of these unidentified flying objects. I totally think that. No, you may not. In Kecksburg in PA, they supposedly had the Delgloca landed there.

1:26:26Oh, wow. In the 1950s, 40s. I think it was like 19. I'm out of memory. I'm sketchy on the time frame. But yeah, absolutely. And actually, the army came in and hauled this thing away and there's a whole documentary reports about kids who saw them with this thing on a truck that was covered with a tarp. And you know, I just wanted to throw that in there. I said, as a little Stan Gordon documented that. Yeah, a lot of fact, he's somebody. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, just Stan Gordon is somebody we should. He's still alive. Yeah, we should sit around for a long time. We should see if we can get him here because he had the energy. We really fun to talk to him because he, he was a lot of UFOs. They put all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Like, he established a hotline back. I think in the 60s, he had people calling his house reporting all this stuff back in the 60s in Pennsylvania. Yes. Bigfoot, bigfoot on the scene of UFOs. Yeah. UFOs in the sky, bigfoot in the field at the same time orbs at the same time. Like when you talk about the bleed between the topics, Stan Gordon documented it for decades.

1:27:26Now, I don't know if he would come to the same conclusion as I have because I, I, I, I, I don't know the man, but the fact that he has documented the bleed between topics so well over to such an extended period of time. I think it's worth analyzing and he doesn't get talked about enough. He doesn't get talked about enough, especially not anymore. There was a couple of documentaries done about him with him where he, where you actually see him talking and talking about the whole, his whole process. Yeah. How he started, how we got everything going. So yeah, it's really interesting. I think he was 16 when he started. Literally, it was his kid. Yeah. And he got interested in this thing. He started documenting and he said, it's on phone line in his own house. You know, where people could call and people did people called aliens, you know, uh, uh, UFOs and, you know, 1800 aliens. Yeah. It was, it was crazy. I mean, it was just, he was really dedicated to his thing. Why don't you call Stan? He was, yeah, he was not afraid of it. Yeah. Yeah. He actually took this, this subject head on and back, pointed on it for years. You know, and that's a great thing is like, because if I, if I'm pretty sure I'm correct and saying that he was a teenager when he started all this, like, if you can get past a social

1:28:29rejection as a teenager, you set yourself your whole life up then to be worried about what people think of you don't care. You know, yeah. And so that, the clearly, if he started at that young, he moved into adulthood, yeah. Already established and not even thinking about what people think of him because he already has the data improved by time he turned 18. He had at least two years of data of people calling him, reporting things. It's like, you can't get around that at that point. There's even, there's even reports of, uh, of UFO stuff in, in upstate New York. Yeah. White hall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just a big foot white hall. Is that near kindergarten hook? I think that's more like Adirondex. That's the way. Oh, yeah. Kinder hook is Adirondex. What are we talking about? White hall is exactly for the North. There's nothing else that's that way up in that area. Interesting. Bigfoot's Adirondex. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking about reason all this stuff. Yeah. I know you do. It's crazy. Side note, side note. I just want to acknowledge with you here, I had no idea how much you looked into this stuff until I started this show. Like, like, I didn't know he listened to coast to coast until I told him I was starting a show about this stuff.

1:29:29And I'm like, wait a second. How is this even possible that I'm just finding this out? Yeah. You know, that's crazy. I know that there was an old Air Force base on the other side of the Adirondex as well. Okay. So like, of course, like military military. It's always tied in to someone with all the stuff too. That's wild stuff. So we have this idea of, you know, the text side of things, right? So we're exploring this idea. All right. We started out with the floating island, right? And I'm actually kind of glad we did it the way we did it bringing the story. Yeah. Because it kind of brought in the spiritual, supernatural aspect to things traversing realms. So we have this idea that things are popping in, popping out. We have the floating island that was here. We documented it and now none of the people who say and try offering a scientific explanation, they are saying we don't know where it went. Like they know how to look down into water. They don't know where it went. We have a documented case, the Mexican island, that very thing happened. It was on our maps. It's no longer there. It's not in the water. They can't figure out what happened to this island, right?

1:30:30We have the island you were talking about and the technology involved. The ships. Is it something that we're looking at where again, the bleed, all this stuff, one way or another is working together and it's clicking together. We just see aspects of the elephant. We don't have the full picture. But another piece of this evidence, if we're going down this route of a supernatural realm that's being reverse engineered by people in the high authority and power through alchemy, occultic abilities, science, all that stuff. Is it possible that we have on video a actual manifestation where those worlds collide? And we have the tech side of things, the alchemical side of things and the supernatural other realm all converging where we have the Malaysian airline flight that disappeared into a portal. I know it's a heavy debate at topic. I know people want to argue about it.

1:31:31I have spent time with Ashton. He is somebody and I have, I talked to him when this all first started. It was all fresh in his mind. It was all something that he was just starting to talk about publicly, right? Ashton in private and on my show repeatedly expressed to me and my time spent with him is he was not concerned about being the guy who discovered anything. He was concerned about what our government is hiding from us because he was so passionately convinced that this was true. Now people can say, well, his passion clouded his vision. He was not interested in being proven anything. He was laying out data in a very passionate way because he believes a certain angle of it. But now one time did I feel like he was manipulating information and data or trying to spin a narrative for his own personal gain? I understand there have been many debunkers going out there and trying to debunk, but I'm telling you, I really believe there's something to it.

1:32:35We have that video, right? Is it a video from the episode or is it the video itself? Video itself. Sweet, let's do it. I was hoping we would have to see my face again. No. It's actually, no, absolutely not. I'll just play the full video if that's all right. Is there audio? No. Okay. But this is a stabilized version. So that way everything is going to be remaining centered. Two pause for a second. Yeah. Just for people maybe who have no idea what this is, I'll give you the thousand foot view of what I recall and Jack, you fill in the gaps. Sure. There, we have two videos of the same incident theoretically. One is a thermal and one is a satellite image of this plane. What you're about to see is two different cameras, two different vantage points of the same action and activity happening all at one time that was recovered video that was leaked out, right? Correct. Okay. Yes. We should have like a soundtrack.

1:33:38Yeah. Oh, there's so. Yeah. So the way that this is going to work is you're going to see one orb come in. You're going to see a second orb, which you see now and the third one. Are they coming out of the main orb or is that? No, they all appear out of different areas. So the way so you can see on the fleer here, you can see the temperature of the plane, you can see the tail, the engines as it gets a little closer once it re-centers, you'll be able to see the temperature of the engines right here. And you can see how the orbs and their trails are cooler. Like the actual trail of the orbs is dark blue. And there you go. Boom. You should show that. It happens so fast. People might have blinked. So you're going to watch it disappear. Just like that. Can you pause it right there? It almost looks like a little right at that circle. Yeah. The circle right there.

1:34:38Rift. So this on the thermal, you can see the dark color. But there is a temperature difference here on the thermal, on the fleer. And then obviously you see the flash or. And black would be totally cold. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's cold. Yeah. I mean, no temperature. Right. Yeah. Would that be correct? Yeah. Yeah. The colder, the darker the colder the the temperature on this fleer in particular. But obviously, so this is the motion track satellite view. And I think that that is like a light, right? That's light emitting. So in this instance, it's something, some sort of light or some sort of flash has happened to emit something in the satellite view. So anyway, you have these two different versions where you can see temperature and you can see vibrancy light. Yeah. So what this is brought up for is because everything we're talking about, we all agree the

1:35:39supernatural realm is real. It exists. There is another side to things. Paul talks about the third heaven. That's where all the theology gets starts and gets built. As far as I can understand, for the they're being a first and second heaven, third heaven, and then from there, people argue, right? My perspective is a very extreme supernatural, you know, but the second heaven being an absolute war zone, a place where like straight up the kingdoms collide and war. I think we see that in Daniel 10 with with the whole Daniel praying and fasting for three weeks for an answer to prayer. The angel comes, says, sorry, I was delayed because the prince of the spirit prince of Persia was was a free at the terminology, but it was delaying me. And it wasn't until Michael, the arch angel came to release me that I could come and get to you to give you this information. It draws out spiritual warfare happening when I was in real time. In real time, but I would call this second heaven because the angel said I was delayed for 21 days or maybe three weeks.

1:36:41One was described Daniel was described. Let's just say Daniel was described. He was praying and fasting for 21 days. Then the angel said I was delayed for three weeks, both the same thing. And so, and he's coming like from heaven to earth, passing through the traversal to the earth. He's never was able to make a landfall. Right. Right. And so you have like stories of like Jacob's ladder and this idea of and even even Jesus himself said that angels ascend and descend. It's a there's this to checking you into boss. The boss says it gets directives and the angels go and do, right? And so the angel has a directive. Here's the answer. Go relay it. He's like, you got a boss. I'm going through the second heaven, trying to zig and zag and all of a sudden caught up. And he's held up for three weeks until the till Michael could come and then he was released. There is the second heaven is an absolute war zone. If the second heaven is an absolute war zone and there are rebelled fallen beings there, warring rebellion against God, we are the subject of the tension for God and those entities.

1:37:41They hate us because he loves us. Then is it then basing off of what Jack has said earlier about the whole book of the enocost of is it a stretch to consider the fact that these entities for centuries since the beginning of all of this have been relaying information to humanity to further our rebellion to God through the alchemical means, teaching us how to do things. We were not meant to know how to do and we see the manifestation throughout time as we started getting introduced to mass information, mass distribution of information in the 1900s and earlier, but also through the technology and things. Is it possible that what we have just been talking about this whole time is images and different angles of that manifestation of these entities teaching man how to do things we weren't supposed to know how to do and then these legends are born because some of it happened and they're covering it up to things that they've made up to cover up the reality that they're communicating with these entities to learn how to do things we are not meant to know how to do.

1:38:44Yeah, so Crowley is he's burning. That's right. I'm sorry. No, no, great. So Crowley actually did in his I'm a long for working. I believe it was this one. He actually was making sigils and calling out to the spirit of the air and who is the prince of the air. Right. And so you have this incredible correlation where like he's intentionally seeking out after the element of air and the God of air and the spirit of air to basically come and give him knowledge. And so it's a I think your spot on and it really bleeds and well to the occult history that we a lot of people don't understand right mixing it in with the biblical truth and the occult history is something that I think is going to have to start changing and it is changing within the church. The church needs to understand if they're going to start diving down and looking at the supernatural aspects of their creator, they're going to have to understand the rebellion and they're going to have to understand the aspects of that rebellion, which means it goes back to the occult because the occult is the tool that the rebellion is using to

1:39:45communicate to man, the desired attention. Yeah. They both sides are seeking. I mean, even the antichrist, it's the sense of wickedness. It's nothing. It's just pure wickedness and that's what's really pushing out onto man and those ideas, those philosophies, they're able to like package it really well so that we partake of their packaging and all of a sudden we are mixed in with their wickedness. And that's how we all get deceived and we get pulled into all of this craziness. Yeah. I feel it all. I'm going to shift to you. What was your thought? I think that, and it's just like, I don't mean it's an accusatory way. But do you think that neurolink is a way of packaging all of this to make it accessible to the human mind? Not because we have a hard time seeing the spirit, we have a hard time accepting, but if you can feed it right to our right to our brain or whatever, cortex, whatever. I mean, I'm a truck driver so I don't know all the technology.

1:40:46Yeah. I mean, like you think about the phenomena of these great aliens and what they always talk about, even bigfoot, right? They tell a path, they'll have a path of breathing. So if you're engaging your brain in a certain capacity, like that will all of a sudden be amplified. And then all of a sudden you're going to be able to hear and see these spirits in a whole new way because you're accessing points of your brain that got it shut off. That we don't, that we don't use. Yeah. I'm 100% agree. Yeah. I mean, people tell me I don't use enough of my brain as it is. It runs in the family. But you know, it's just one of the things I'm thinking about. Yeah. And to the point of like, Nureling and things like that, and even just this, you know, the watchers and what we're talking about here, it's like the Bible has multiple, the Bible is very clear about the pursuit of knowledge over Christ. And so when you desire knowledge and you desire information over Christ, there's a, there's you know, a hotdiness. There's an arrogance that becomes a view. And so it's something that in man is so pervasive.

1:41:48It's very easy to switch on the arrogance. And we're talking about, you know, medical information. We're talking about weaponry. We're talking about, you know, even just the ability to communicate with these, you know, higher beings that you, you are thinking of a look at the power that they, that they hold, you know, and I mean, we know clearly scripture tells you that the Holy Spirit is indwelling in you as a Christian. So the power that you have as a Christian is higher and greater and more vast than anything that these beings, these entities could ever hold, could ever wish to have. And so if we are, if we get caught up as man as human beings in the desire for knowledge and the desire for these aspects of knowledge in medical and in weaponry and in Nureling and all this stuff, you immediately shift from the faith and from the reliance on Christ to your own abilities, senior own capabilities over anything else. And so I think that that's why it's like, we're talking about all of this stuff. And you can just see how it's like a big web. It's just kind of like all comes together here when scripture lays all of this stuff out.

1:42:49That's why it's incredible what happened, you know, hundreds, thousands of years ago, being able to put all of this, the Holy Spirit led these men to write these books. And they, and it knew just like that. This is what's going to happen in 2027. And imagine being John, the revelator, seeing this. And trying to write it out. Yeah. My book would look just like their book of revelations probably more slow down as far as truck driver speed. You know, I'm saying, there's a thing within the thing. Yeah, there was a thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I all stuff. Yeah. How do you put into into context computers? Yeah. Yeah. In 90 AD. Yeah. Yeah. No concept. Maybe Joe Bryant was just a prophet. And he was just trying to describe what he was saying. I'm going to tell you what else I'm like, come on. I'm like, I'm going to scream. That's what I looked like. Nothing else. I don't know how to describe it. It's just nothing. You know, it's like a fly.

1:43:50You know, interesting too is in second Thessalonians. I think it's too 11. But it talks about the restrainer. Like it was talking about the man of lawlessness and that there's a restrainer. Yeah. And that's the Holy Spirit. But like we carrying the Holy Spirit within us carry that aspect of restraining. The enemies work. Yeah. Which is why they need to like the occult magic aspect of this. They have to pull us into that ritual because then we're not restraining anymore. We're not pushing back the veil of darkness. And we're only allowing darkness to grow, which is what we see throughout the whole globe right now is that the restrainer, the church itself with the Holy Spirit is not using the fullness of its power to push back the enemy anymore. And darkness is growing and growing and growing. And so more of this random craziness, I think, is going to keep appearing and keep again, the sign of the times, right? Because the restrainer, the church is not doing its part in pushing back the veil of darkness. But I think too, part of that is that Jesus said times would get worse and worse. And things are going to continue to get to that point.

1:44:50So it's going to continue to grow. And it's going to be harder for that. It's like we seem to be on the cusp of that where it's we're no longer able to push back. I mean, if I can say it that way, I don't know if that makes sense. It's why there's a remnant, right? It's not, you know, that's the point is like what you're saying, dad, is that, you know, it's going to continue to get worse and worse. And the remnant are the ones that will be pushing back. Yes. And in that moment, in those times, that's when the persecution begins to kick up. Look at Nigeria and all the people in Iran. I mean, there are countless people being murdered and persecuted for their belief in Jesus Christ and for their vocal belief in Jesus Christ, not just the inward belief. And that's why it's like the restrainer, right? We are being a remnant right now. There is a remnant, like literally remnant rising, right? Like there is a legitimate remnant being pushed forward. But even take a look at some of the small things that are going on around us. I mean, this is like a really small stupid little thing, but it to me, it speaks a lot to where we are in our society today. You can, you can personalize your Coca-Cola can.

1:45:52Oh, yeah. But you can't put Jesus Christ on it, but you can put Allah on it. You can put Muhammad on it, but you cannot say anything about Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit or anything else. You can't do that. You can blast me in Jesus actually. You can't put Jesus Christ on it, right? But you can't actually put Jesus Christ on it, right? Is there anything else? Yeah. It's just, it's a sign of where we all are. It's a sign of where we're at, but like also with a supernatural of that, because we haven't even talked about that in some glad you actually brought it up. That is something I looked at and I just questioned. I was like, hmm, I wonder if the decision makers behind the scenes made a decision or if there's a ghost in the machine? Because we talk about the idea of tech being possessed and all that stuff. Could it be that maybe it's not even somebody made a decision to do it, but it was a supernatural thing where this is just a little seed that was planted that was to be had the chance of being discovered, maybe not, but it was a seed that was just planted and just little thing in the machine. I don't know. Yeah. And then naturally you would say somebody made a decision to do that, but maybe through

1:46:52the tech and through just maybe even the leadership, I don't know the people at Coke. I don't know. Maybe the leadership created a window, a doorway, a threshold that was able to be crossed for this kind of thing that happened super naturally. Yeah. Well, I mean, if we're talking about the CEO's being communicated to buy these entities, I mean, there's a legitimate chance that they were that it's just an over oppression over that company or any of these companies because your leadership is the one that gives you the direction. Exactly. Yeah. And the thing I think is kind of ironic is that it's been, it's happened enough that people have made videos about it and Coke still hasn't changed it. Yeah. So it's not hiding anymore. Yeah. It's not hiding anymore. It's something that it's just, yeah, it was just a point. Let me just end it. We're going to bring it in for Lenny, but on that, the enemy doesn't hide. I just want to say this is exactly why I said what I said earlier. We need a transition as the church. We understand. I don't care how it's been for 50, 100 years.

1:47:53I don't care. I don't have, I don't hold the history that everybody else holds and stuff. I've been a floater theological in my whole life, but here we are right now. And we, we, this group here feels like we've been called to, to point the finger at darkness very specifically for this time. And it's because the enemy, the darkness is not hiding more traditionally. When you were growing up as a kid, it was formed because they hid in the shadows. They do not hide in the shadows anymore. And the church needs to realize that that is the case. And so you can't be on neutral. You're like, oh, well, you know, we don't want to look at it. We don't want to point. No, you need to know. You need to understand how deep rooted the occult is in the world that you live in. You need to point the finger at the darkness. You need to understand the darkness and then run to your savior. You need to understand the supernatural aspects of your creation where you live, who created you. And the word that is going on all around you all the time. This is exactly why we're here because the darkness is no longer hiding. And we can't be hiding either. We can't be sitting back and seeing the shadows retract and expose what's actually laying there and just have no opinion on it.

1:48:55Have no say on it. We have to. We have to point in the direction of what we're seeing, shout from the rooftop as watchmen and then tell people where safety's at. That's our job. That's where we're at. I hope you guys enjoyed the show. Any statements, anybody, have anything else to say before we bring it in for you? I love that we ended with that and we started with a floating mat of trees. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, let's talk about it. Let's talk about, uh, what, all right. Derek got a new tire last week. Somehow we'll wind it up on a spiritual warfare for sure and let's just relax around Jesus. Yeah. That was a lot. That was a lot. That was a lot of a bunch of men in the face. Absolutely. Guys, I appreciate you tuning in, watching us, uh, banter, have a good time with my dad. Um, you know, like I, I've been trying to get better with the, the getting to the topics at hand and stuff today. I felt like I did a bad job, but also it's dad. That's here we wanted to talk with dad and we had a great conversation warming up the supernatural aspect of things. So I think it actually worked out great because we were able to kind of just focus on my roots

1:49:58through him and his father and Jack's roots. And it's like that allowed us to really kind of take things into this, into this weird territory we took it. So, uh, dad, thanks for being a part of the show. Thanks for allowing me to guys to come on. I really enjoyed sitting at talk. I'm with you. I really did. You guys are great. I love you. We love you too. I am asked to join the company I shared in earlier you know, 360 including him. You are 100% I do. Are you adopting him? Is that what you said? Winnie the camera turned off? You said you were going to dobt him then we adopted brothers. And people you valuable brown brother win McDonald's old men now. And we didn't brown brother in Match to mix the money at the end easier in a wars. A way to support everybody whiskey, right? I know I got to lawsuit with that. So that's probably. 候ley. It's actually yeah. Guys, thanks for tuning in. We really appreciate you being here. next week we have no idea what we're doing but we will be here so until then stay safe and we love you bye bye. Oh boy is that slingshot? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, slingshot season.

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