The Creators of HBO’s "Neighbors": Harrison Fishman & Dylan Redford | Son of a Boy Dad #383

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We're dead podcasts today, it is, uh, it's March 11th and we're here live from HQ

three and we're joined with our guests, Harrison and Dylan, who honestly we just have been,

we've been cooling about neighbors for a minute.

Oh, yeah.

So we're just, yeah, we're pretty psyched to have you and honestly, I can't believe that

it came together this, this quickly and this fortuitously for us, but, uh, hey, good

work.

Hey, thanks.

Oh, yeah, we're big fans.

These are real.

It's a treat.

Thanks for having us here.

This is cool.

Yeah.

Of course.

Have you guys done any podcast?

We've done.

I saw you guys on a Zoom call.

I saw you on a, all right, you run a Zoom, I think, right?

And I saw you guys on a red carpet, also, yeah, yeah, I'm glad you're keeping tabs.

Thank you.

We've done a couple.

We've done a couple.

We're still learning.

We're still learning.

Cool.

Well, this one will not add any value.

It's kind of unlearned.

Yeah.

Okay.

This is a training mechanism for other pods you might do.

Great.

Not even really, because you're not going to pick up anything here that you'll be able

to, to take to anywhere else.

I think it's pretty individual experience.

It's pretty.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

I think we'll learn something.

Yeah.

I feel like I'm learning now.

Yeah.

Uh, I didn't know that you're a Philly guy.

I'm a Philly guy.

We're, we're about to, uh, in the Philly area, my, my dad has always lived in center city

and my mom lives in the suburbs.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I went to a Waldron, which is in Laramaria.

Waldron University Academy.

What the hell?

Yeah.

Isn't that fucking nuts?

That's nuts.

Yeah.

You like Philly?

I love it.

I think it's one of the better, like one of the top six cities in the union.

Yeah.

Dude, totally.

Don't you think?

Where are you from?

I'm from the Bay Area.

So what do you think about?

I mean, I think, I think that, uh, Sam Fran is one of the top six cities.

I would agree.

I would agree.

Yes.

I think it's, I think it's dropped a tad over the years.

That's real.

I think it's on the, on the decline.

Really?

I do.

Because I feel like that's what everyone says.

But then people that are from there, like, no, it's actually the greatest.

No.

No.

I think it, it just like, I grew up there right before all just tech took over.

Sam just go in the Bay Area.

Yeah.

And it just has since just become this, like, Connor just, I don't know, like, just dudes

to wear the Patagonia vest and like, it's super sterile and just, I don't know.

It lost the, lost the edge that it had in the socks.

The arts, he's sort of, uh, you know, protesty type thing, I'll tell you that we're

strong.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We wrote a chestnut street in the bars and stuff like that.

I mean, the social life there is, is a little insipid and really, really heavily male.

It was Mike.

Oh, it's a lot of ditch.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Is that the gate?

Is that the gate?

No.

No, no.

That's the tenderloin, right?

Well, possibly, it's more, it's not normally telegraph hill.

Oh, God.

Where is it?

How am I forgetting the name?

We did a walk around San Francisco and, uh, there were, there's three dudes, uh, that

just, that we're standing outside ass naked, uh, sunny, sunny, they're dicks.

And apparently they've been doing it the same three dudes for like 20 plus years.

Wow.

They're just like, I mean, they're dicks must be, uh, and sun, properly sunned.

It feels really good.

Really?

Yeah.

It feels amazing.

Do you guys ever, uh, don't I?

I don't think my, my dick has ever seen sunlight.

Really?

Yeah.

I don't think my dick has ever seen electric lamp light.

Dude.

Guys, you gotta try.

Sun them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I feel great.

I think it's really good for you.

It's, they probably is.

I've heard of sunning your, sunning your assholes the most efficient way to, uh, absorb

vitamin C, I think.

I believe it would be D.

D.

Yeah.

Are you sure it's not a beer?

Yeah.

It's a beer.

Oh, drinking orange juice through your assholes the fastest way to, right?

It's not C.

Yeah.

Right, right, right.

That seems tough.

Right.

You need a funnel.

You need a funnel and you need the ability to swallow.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Right.

I think we can go up.

I think that is possible.

It would, it would make more sense to you that of your ass than your, oh, totally.

I would.

Yeah.

You just shit it right out.

Right after.

You're saying the same.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You guys picked this up quick.

I didn't take long.

Uh, welcome to Son of a Boy Dad.

Yeah.

No, I think that would be way more efficient.

Well, there's something disgusting about eating it.

There's something, if you think about it too hard, you know, eating out of it with the

thing you kiss with.

Yeah.

The thing you like kiss your baby's with.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Also, then you could eat way healthier too because you don't have any taste buds.

Yeah.

These buds on your asshole.

No.

I think I said, I've said this before.

Mac, can you, can you just confirm that that there are taste buds on your asshole?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I'm, what's his name?

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Well, if I were to throw like some hot sauce on my balls when I get home after this,

would I be able to be, yes.

Yes.

Yes, the Pepsi challenge with your asshole.

I think you're earning assholes contains the difference between Pepsi and the other branch.

Yes.

That's the Chick-Fil-A diet coke.

A little bit watered down.

But yeah, we're obsessed with the show and four episodes out right now.

It's right.

It's for people that don't know,

how would you guys best describe it?

Because I don't want to assume that everybody

who's listening to this has watched it.

So how would you guys term your project

that you're working on?

I mean, it's basically simply put a docu-series

where we follow real people around the country

dealing with neighborhood disputes in real time.

And I think we really were obsessed with like

having it happen just unfolding before you.

You know what I mean?

In real time, I think there's a lot of documentaries

and stuff that are really like in the past.

And it's with archival,

but I think we were just excited about really following people

in the middle of one of these things hardcore.

If you can't say the answer to this, excuse me,

but are you going to show resolutions to each episode?

Are we coming back to some of these characters later?

Don't answer it.

I don't know.

I'm so curious that through one episode

have fallen in love with some of these people.

Yeah, do you mean like on another season

or do you mean in the season currently right here?

Sure, whatever you feel you could answer.

That's interesting.

That's interesting.

Well, I think that's interesting.

I think what you see in the episode

is really what we have right now.

Oh, yeah.

Have I just, certainly I haven't given you the idea

for a new season.

Yeah, here's what we got to write that down.

Yeah, that's what we write back.

What's funny, a lot of people online are being like,

yeah, like, you know, they want to see more of these people.

And I think like to us, we were like, you know,

I mean, yeah, I don't know.

We would love to too.

It felt as if you sort of cliff hung us a bit.

Certainly on episode two, I think,

where it's the farm guy in the residential neighborhood.

And he's like, I'm not going to pay attention

to this town hall voting thing.

I'm going to get more in a moment.

And like, you dangle that for me.

And I was like, oh, this is not resolved at all.

Yeah, so yeah, it's it you get like you get obsessed

with the characters really quickly.

And I think it's a lot of it is because it feels really real.

And I think a lot of it is like, there's at one point,

I think in like episode three,

it almost feels like dangerous.

Yeah, you guys were almost like threatened.

Who was it that the really sexy dude?

The Ellen the generous fan.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Johnny, yeah, Johnny.

And I don't want to keep on assuming

that everybody has seen it.

But so what his dispute was that he is Vietnam

with that neighbor, they both think they're spying

on each other.

And the one about the divette has set up

like legitimate fucking weird artistic cameras.

Yeah, yeah, with cranes and stuff

to look over his fence, I assume.

And then Johnny is just constantly taking photographs.

I mean, his whole life.

He's ultimately an artist.

She is.

When he showed us a photographer,

his photography is like unbelievable.

Come on, I'm not kidding.

The ones you selected to show us,

there's a lizard mating, there's frogs mating.

He has an eye.

I was like, that's not he's not framing that.

He's just capturing to share with him.

Right.

Right.

Right.

The first time he had four yokes.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, he was crying.

We heard that was really like a poignant, you know what I mean?

Like, because I feel like everybody cracks a yoke

and there's two, an egg and has two yokes in it.

And you're like, fuck, like this is.

Yeah, that's right after that episode.

My wife was, she cracked a fresh 12.

And every single egg was double.

No, really?

24, I swear to god, 24.

It has to take like a video.

24 yokes.

No, I mean, but I think that speaks to it.

Like, that's the kind of thing you want to share,

but it's like a little bit too small to share.

Yeah, I mean, if you get all 12 are double,

that's like, you got to call somebody.

Yeah, that's an urgency, dude.

Yeah, man.

It makes me concerned about what's happening at the farm.

Yes.

What is going on at that farm?

Yes.

Or what sort of magic is in her fingertips?

She's the mother of twins.

Happy, and we have twins.

Oh, no.

Holy shit.

Whoa.

So deep, put it so in.

Like a Midassof.

You have twins?

I'm double-blind.

I'm double-blind.

No way.

Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, that's where my head went.

Yeah, yeah.

Midassof multiply.

That's nuts.

Tell you, that box was sold as 12 single yokes.

Yeah.

Then it came for you.

No, it's her box.

And then suddenly, there's two.

But, uh, so Johnny, uh, there's a scene.

And you guys aren't featured in any of this,

but then there's a scene where Johnny's basically paranoid,

thinking that you guys are setting him up

or what was his thought like?

And you guys kind of had to talk him off the ledge

and then that he was like, Fred,

he's basically threatening you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What was the threat?

He said, he said, I don't have children.

And you guys are going to go out and have children.

And then they were like, what do you mean by that?

Which is good to go on.

Good on you to dig for his for clarity.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Yeah, just keep going.

I'm, I love it.

I can't stop.

I'm answering this for you guys.

He's going.

I like this.

Awesome.

Well, you really know the quotes from the show.

I watched it last night.

Okay.

Cool.

It's fresh.

Um, and then he goes, uh,

well, that I'm, that I would threaten to kill your children.

And he like verified himself.

Yeah.

He could know.

He like did a failed threat.

And then he unveiled the threat.

Yeah.

He was like, that's what he's been doing to me.

Which I didn't, did you feel that that was just like a cop out,

or was he actually that quick to come up with an example,

an illustration of what he's suffered for so long?

He was, I mean, he's like, he's very quick.

And I think he realized what had happened

and wanted to immediately bring it back to his neighbor.

Yeah.

Because he was like, oh god, they're here for that.

And that's why I want them here.

So I got to bring it back to that as soon as possible.

Yeah.

And I think it's, it's really not the case with most of our subjects.

But with Johnny, there was like a power play where he was like,

you're here for me.

And I want you to help bring attention to this

so that my neighbor can go to jail.

Yeah.

And so he really wanted something from us.

And of course, we were there to document him.

And there was like, at one point, it's not in it.

But he like took out his camera and started filming us.

And he was like, I can film you guys too.

And just like filmed us and was like, what's your name?

What's your name?

What's your name?

What's your name?

And it was like, it was really intense.

Yeah.

He was constantly filming us too.

It was like, we were like this.

And I was like, this is crazy.

And I'm like, oh, right.

And we're doing that to you.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I hate this.

Anytime a subject would start filming us,

it was like, oh, yeah.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Right.

This is what we do as a job.

Yeah.

It's like when like first amendment auditors are like out in the world.

And so when like rushes up to them with the camera.

But also he acquiesced to this.

Like he's like, he signed up for this, no?

Johnny.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And he wanted help for his situation.

So I think with that like threat thing,

what's like, I think it's like the most extreme example

of someone who is within one of these things

and is just becoming so paranoid.

Like I think that like just his sort of worldview

is becoming sort of more and more warped.

And so I think, yeah.

I don't know.

We were pushing them on a two because like,

I think like usually we cut that stuff out too

when we were like kind of like trying to peel back the layers.

But with that one, we were like, man, it's so interesting.

Yeah.

That was so sorry.

Oh, I was like, when you guys do this,

is it just you two that go and film?

So it's me and Dylan.

And then it's my brother Sam.

He runs the other camera.

I run the other another camera.

So we're two cameras.

And then Dylan does sound.

And then we have our producer,

field producer, his name is Andy.

Andy Ruiz.

And that's it on the ground.

So did you guys do this like,

like did you film this?

And then it's a 24 that picked it up, right?

That's right.

And then it's right.

Shout out to a 24 best production company.

They didn't tell us to say that.

So did you guys film this and then bring it to them?

Or did you go to them and be like,

we have this idea and they were like,

we'll help you make it.

Well, you don't have to give all the details.

No, no.

We could do the whole story.

You want to start?

Yeah.

We got basically our friend, Steve Smith,

who's a filmmaker and designer.

He reached out to us.

And basically was like,

I'm working with this company, BrainDead,

that makes like merch and like clothing company.

Yeah.

So BrainDead at that time was giving money towards,

like proof of concept, like things.

And so he was like, do you have an idea for a show?

And so we were like, yeah, I mean,

me and Harrison had watched a lot of,

Harrison's brother Sam had made like a comp,

a YouTube comp of like insane neighborhood disputes.

We're like, this is wild.

Yeah.

And then we were trying to make our own like fake ones

to make it seem like they're real and whatever.

And then we were trying to, we upload,

we made these videos and we uploaded on to like YouTube and LiveLeak

when LiveLeak was still around.

Yeah.

And we were trying to convince people they were real,

but no one believed us.

And we were like, all really real is better.

Yeah.

We should just actually document real ones.

And so, and it was also like over COVID,

this sort of started to come together.

And we were just watching people fight online all the time.

Yeah.

Just like Karen fights.

Like people scream each other and parking lots,

masks stuff.

You know, so it's just like something here is really interesting.

And then, um,

and then we got some money from BrainDead

and we made a pilot, which is the third episode.

It's the Johnny episode.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So we made that in 2021.

Really?

Yeah.

And we just did it on our own.

Like, we had no idea how to make a show.

We had never done anything like it before.

And we just went down there and lived in with Harrison's grandparents.

And we just went and made that episode.

Just on our own.

And then, um,

then we brought on, uh, central,

which is Jawsafety's company with, um,

Eli Bush and,

and, uh, JP.

And so they saw our deck and saw that.

And we're like, this is awesome.

And then they brought it day 24.

And then, you know,

it's just sort of all that you had that pilot in, in 2021.

So we were shopping this and being Hollywoodized for four fucking years.

Well, it's hard because this kind of like, um,

I think it's hard to sell a TV show.

And it's like, I think the market right now is a little conservative of like,

it's just hard to get something off the ground.

So I think we had this amazing pilot that we loved and, um,

you know, our sort of higher level producers loved it.

And I think they were just waiting for the right time to like,

right moment.

That's what they always fucking tell you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is true.

Right.

The fact it came true for you guys has to like,

it made, like, you must believe in the world because of that.

Like for everybody else.

For God now.

Right.

God.

God.

You know what's crazy is when we made the,

we made the pilot when we were casting the pilot,

we on Craigslist wrote,

this is for an HBO show,

even though it was not HBO for the next, you know, three years.

We just made that up because no one was going to take it seriously.

Yeah.

Like these guys are creeps.

Why are they wanting people to film?

You know, it's like on Craigslist.

Like what is this?

We're like, oh, it's an HBO show.

Yeah.

That's unreal.

So you guys put Craigslist ads or that's unreal.

Yeah.

That's how we found the two, those, I mean, both of those stories kind of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We're both on from Craigslist.

How many, how many submissions did you get?

Thousands, bro.

Thousands.

Over the thousands.

Yeah.

The ones you found are, I mean, the level of delusion and eccentricity on both sides.

That's what I love about the show.

It's balanced.

Yeah.

You, you present as if, well, clearly these people are in the wrong and these people are in the right.

And then halfway through the episode, you're like, but hold on a second.

The guy we thought was in the right has been watching Ellen DeGeneres live for every day for 10 years.

Or like, you start presenting these little things.

I think that's the genius of it too.

Yeah.

Like the way that you guys, the speed at which the edit happens and then the way that you guys reveal details is so fucking funny.

Because out of nowhere, someone you thought was like pretty rational.

Is like going to like a crystal facility or something like that or has the sound.

The, like, the woman's manager in the episode, she's got the cats.

The cat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is it.

Zhong Cu Cat, mother of God.

Action.

Gloria Ukraine, auntie.

Super.

And theatk

the one where the victims of that, the family

who was being terrorized by the cats,

seemed the most rational.

I understood why they were mad,

but it's just so funny to me to like walk outside

and see a bunch of cats and just be fucking furious.

It's like these goddamn cats.

Yeah, if you're a cat person, it's like,

cat, you know, she's right.

Right, the more you're a carrier.

We had never had a house though, we were cats.

This is his first house,

he's probably excited to have a house.

He's living in the fucking lot in prison.

Yeah, right.

He was in prison.

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Did you guys have anything to do with them getting cast

on Judge Judy?

No, no.

Because that was just that wasn't happened naturally

in the course, you'd already selected them

and then that happened.

Yes.

That's amazing.

Well, it's funny because people, it feels like,

there's a few different routes that you can take

if you have a neighbor dispute.

Like you obviously call the police

and they tell you that the police just can't do anything.

I think this is a silver matter.

I'm sorry, like deal with your neighbor.

You know, you can sue them and go to court

and then you can also just go on Judge Judy,

which is like, truly, people do that, you know?

I mean, which is why we thought it was so interesting.

Like, this is, that it just makes that show

also just feel more real, you know?

Yeah, totally.

Well, because it's also like, we wanted the show

to have all these different ways

in which people tried to resolve the near dispute

and ultimately fail, but to have one of those

would be going on a, on a judge show, felt apt.

Cause it's like, we, we, we were constantly like

on Judge Judy, there are tons of neighbor disputes.

Like, yeah, it's like a quarter of what goes on

to the studio are like neighbor disputes.

Because it all isn't, you know,

it all goes into small claims or whatever.

It's like, that feels like an important texture to add

into the, yeah, into this sort of world of neighbor disputes.

So did you guys get to go to the judge?

You guys got to see Judy?

No, they tried.

Yeah, you got it.

You got to start them up.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We had a glasses on or whatever.

Yeah, and then we were like, damn, like,

this is a bad idea to do the story.

We were like, we were a whole time, we were like,

we're gonna film Judge Judy and then it like got to that point

and it's like, well, how the fuck are we gonna film Judge Judy?

Yeah, you just, you're like, how do you even get in?

Yeah.

You can't just go to Judge Judy.

Yeah.

Especially, it's like a show that's all right

being produced.

Yes.

I didn't think it lost anything by not showing out.

Showing your shadow in the parking lot, walking away.

Then leaving and like, like, when the exit interview

of like, what is it, her sister or something

where she's like, that went bad.

Oh, it's a friend.

That's right.

And she was like, I knew that wasn't going to go away.

Yeah.

That was like, the funniest should I've ever seen.

But it was all, you ended it so nicely for her

by like having her meet with this producer

that she's been keen to meet with forever.

And that was hysterical where he was like,

my brain can't take anymore information.

Yeah.

I think we get excited.

I think like the more that we were making this show,

the more we were excited to like, as much as we can make it

like not actually about the neighbor dispute,

sort of the funnier and cooler it became to us,

you know, like those diversions were like, just so exciting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

Yeah, it's so great.

Well, how many, how much footage?

Because it's like, you're doing, it's like, 25 minute episodes.

30 minute episodes.

Yeah.

30 minute episodes.

And so, but it's two story lines.

15 minutes per story line.

Yep.

And so how much footage are you taking down to 15 minutes?

Because it goes fast, which makes it very digestible,

especially for my dumb ass fucking TikTok brain.

When I think that, like,

We did that on purpose.

Yeah.

You see, you know, our brains are totally fried.

Yeah.

We're like, we're bored.

We're bored.

Cut it, cut it, cut it, cut it.

Yeah.

We're equally as fried.

Yeah.

And that's what the show looks like.

So is it like, I mean, it's got to be like,

days of footage.

Yeah.

I mean, we spent, we shot pretty much every day,

around six hours to eight hours a day for two to three weeks

per story.

Oh, yeah.

So it's a lot of footage.

We live with them, like, the whole time.

And we don't shoot, which honestly,

if we get a season two, we might have to change.

But like, we don't really, like, we really embed ourselves

in their lives.

And we don't do, like, really days off with them either.

Like, with them for like, yeah, like everything, everything.

Yeah.

Like two or three weeks.

They're like, I gotta go to the pharmacy.

It's like, oh, we're, can we come here?

Yeah.

Is there like moments when you're with them for the two to three

weeks, where you're like, like, this is it.

This is what we've been waiting for.

And they're like, all finally just like comes first.

When we're like throwing the fuck in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, are you guys going nuts?

You're like, we got, with this is gold.

Yeah.

That moment in particular, when she's throwing the bushes,

we were like, because we also, you know,

the first one we were making.

So we were like, we were like, thank God.

This is, I mean, it was insane.

Yeah.

Does anyone like ham it up for the camera?

That's what I was going to add.

Yeah.

Or they, or they, that's just, they're, that's just their natural state.

Are they being performative at all?

You know, that's like something we're constantly trying to figure out

while we're making it is like, and then at a certain point,

we stopped caring, because we're just like, you know,

it, it is hard to know if how the, like the camera's changing

them somehow.

Like, there's no doubt there's some impact.

Yeah.

But it's just, it's just hard to know how much.

And so we kind of just go in there and just be like,

whatever happens is real.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And whether you want to, whether they're hamming it up or not,

it's, you know, it's on them.

But yeah.

Well, you can get her to admit that she sold her kids'

piss to help her friends get out of like parole.

Yeah.

Violations.

Like, you had a moment where, you had a moment where the,

she was like, can I tell them that we, you used my son's

piss.

And he's like, oh, no, absolutely.

How do you, how do you get to use that?

Have they all signed releases?

Everyone signed.

Everyone signed.

Unbelieveable.

So you just hiked that guy.

He just had himself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a, it was our gym smoke.

You've watched the gym.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I kissed him all.

I kissed him all.

I kissed him all.

I kissed him all.

I kissed him every kid.

Of course I did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think, you know, Dylan, we co-direct the show, but Dylan does sound

I do camera.

So Dylan has like, it's like a whole other, um, the world.

Yeah.

The whole of the world.

Yeah.

Just hearing what people in the bathroom like anything or like,

Dylan's like a mile ahead of us being like, guys like, yeah, they're,

like, they're actually freaking out right now.

Yeah.

I think we're going to have to end the day.

Yeah.

And we're like, they were so down.

Yeah.

So Dylan, we're like, you know, like, we're like, you know, we'll show up and start filming.

Like so good to see you guys, and then they'll be mic'd and go away.

And we're like, he's fucking.

Yeah.

So tired of the shit.

Yeah.

There's, I think we're going to have a limited day.

Yeah.

Week five.

And you're just there still.

That's so fun.

And I know.

I've heard in interviews you guys are like, we don't want to punch down.

I don't know how to talk about that.

I haven't seen episode four of it.

In episode four, it's not going to give it away,

but there's a guy who's like,

I've strayed from my party a little bit,

so they call me a Republican in name only,

so I bought this year picture,

and like they call me Irrino,

so I got this picture,

and it's just like a picture of an elephant.

And then you just leave it on it,

like the end it just like lingers on it for just a second,

so everybody can get it.

Right, that's all I got.

Irrino.

Because you held on the guy, the farmer guy,

who was like, well, I don't know if I should say this.

She did only fans, and it was awesome.

I put parties with fucking Jamie Foxx,

and like all these hot chicks,

and like just hanging himself,

whilst pregnant wife's down the hall,

being like, mm-hmm, right.

Yeah, you know, and I think like,

I mean, we're pretty like militant in the edit

about keeping things in,

they really have to like function

or like reveal something about the person that complicates it,

you know, and I think like that only fan stuff

was important to us also.

I mean, it's a really funny moment

that pause is like amazing.

And we love the, I mean,

it's really rare to actually get those kind of pauses,

because usually they start talking to me to you after,

so we always keep it in.

But I think like, you know,

I think that only fan stuff is funny,

but it's also like, it deepens why he's, you know,

doing this farm and stuff, which was so exciting.

You know, and something that you wouldn't know

if you just like saw it in the news,

how we saw it initially, you know?

Yeah, like when we found the story,

we had no idea that he had done only fans.

Like it was in the local newspaper

that there was like a dispute over a farm

in front of some person's front lawn,

where like this is interesting.

And then as we got to know him,

he basically was like, you know,

I wanted to start a new chapter in my life,

you know, I did some stuff in the past

that I want to move on from.

And we're like, what, what's stuff?

Yeah.

So awesome to be like, you know, it's funny.

You feel like these people and then we go back

to our Airbnb or wherever we're staying.

And we're just like, what was that?

Yeah.

What was the hardest I've laughed in the whole show

by far?

I had to pause it to like catch my breath

and then go back and watch it again,

is when it's that storyline

and I'm assuming the gay neighbor

who is fed up with him,

is notices the rack for the 50 fessence.

And the way you put that edit in as it's dawning on him,

he's like, what do you think that racks for?

Like collecting eggs.

50 fessence.

I was fucking tears.

I was gasping at that.

And that was the moment where I was like,

oh, they're definitely going to follow up on this story

because this guy is not abiding whatsoever.

He's broad.

He's broad.

He's building up.

He's building.

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Yeah, that, I mean, that killed us too.

I mean, it also is just funny that he says,

what the frick, just for some reason.

It's just so funny, we film so much.

And very rarely are we filming them,

we look at each other like, aha, this is really funny.

It's like in the edit room that we're watching

and we're like, what?

We're basically falling asleep sometimes when we're filming.

You know what I mean?

Because it's like so long.

Yeah, because this is their lives.

It's just like, this is how they're living.

So it's not even absurd to them.

Like it's just like, this is their constant state

that they're in.

And then once you like can like get every little moment

lined up like that, it's what makes it amazing.

What were you guys doing before?

You got successful at this before you fucking started

killing at this, like just making, making movies,

making like, like internet videos, basically.

Yeah, just like, I mean, you know, making stuff,

we were mean Harrison, we're living in Florida, Miami.

And we were working with this like sort of film collective

down there and we were just basically making stuff.

And like, you know, I don't know,

like comedy internet videos that no one watched.

And basically cut our teeth doing that.

And then, yeah, and then sort of COVID happened,

we had an opportunity to go make a pilot.

I had done like, you know, my dad was a documentary filmmaker.

So I kind of like, and I, you know, helped on his stuff

and I'd done some docs up in the past,

but like nothing that was at all substantial.

You know, it was just like, I don't know,

just making internet videos, basically.

Yeah, to put on Instagram, honestly.

Yeah, it was like Instagram and stuff like that.

Try to get them in a film festivals and no one wanted that,

no one wanted that, no one wanted that.

But then we also, I did music videos and like commercial stuff.

Is there money in music videos?

No, no, no, right.

No, and it's a lot of people.

Everybody wants them for free.

Like every artist wants them for free.

I know, I know.

It's really like a bad game to get into like things.

It's bad.

And it's not, yeah, and it's, you know, with music videos too,

is like if you're a director, it's like you,

I feel like he gets to the point where like,

you're just, you know, it's really in service of the artist.

And so if you really don't like the artist

you're making a video, it's just like, I don't know.

So yeah, yeah, that's like rap, rap videos or?

I mean, I would do, I would do a rap video.

I mean, you know, I'd like to film some absolute, no,

but yeah, music videos, you know, I don't know.

I mean, I can't think the last time I sat down

the computer was like, I want to watch a music video.

Like your day, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Their day is sad to say.

They used to rule.

It used to be awesome.

Oh, dude, go ahead.

I think if it's just like,

there hasn't been any good ones recently.

Yeah.

You know, what's an amazing one?

There's an ASAP rock music.

Yeah, LSD.

Well, LSD is cool, but it's not that one.

I know.

I think I know the one you're talking about.

It's the one in like Russia.

Oh, I was thinking of Taylor Swift.

Taylor Swift.

Paris.

I was thinking of another one.

I guess he's up rock.

He's got some back.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anyways, yeah.

Oh, I thought the LSD,

I thought the LSD one was sick.

But Britney Spears had some fucking bangers too.

We did a music video draft one time

and Britney Spears had all heat.

Maybe it was just because of my age

and how horny it made me at the time.

Right.

But it was fantastic.

Britney Spears music video.

She had some fucking bangers.

Talks, yeah.

Talks, yeah.

That was like,

toxic was an old time.

See, this is the way I'm over there.

But she had the diamond,

she had like a diamond body suit on.

Never knew I had an erotic fixation

on flight attendants like that.

Right.

Never seen it.

Really?

The only Britney Spears one I've ever seen

is the baby, right?

Baby one more time.

Baby, baby one more time.

Only because it was on SingStar too

on the PlayStation too.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It was like one of like 10 songs.

That one didn't do it for me.

She was too young.

Mm-hmm.

Well, I was probably like eight.

That play was my baby one more.

Oops, I did it again

when the red latex suit for sure.

That was the same age in that one.

No, no, no.

That's a different album.

I don't want to get your facts straight.

Lucky.

I got my heart rate.

See whoops.

If whoops, I did it again

is on the same album as her debut.

It would have died that it's not

if she's done it again.

Correct.

You know what I mean?

Baby one more time was whoops, I did it.

Yeah.

And then whoops, I did it again.

Oh, interesting.

Like another foray into doing it.

See, that's 2000.

Whoops, I did it again, came out in 96.

Or a baby one more time came out in 96.

Yeah, I mean, it's four years already.

Oh, interesting.

How it worked?

Crucial four years.

Yeah, it was a book.

She went from, you know,

entered her dark face.

Well, yeah, she became a VH.

Wow.

She became a legal woman.

This was her Sergeant Peppers.

Yeah.

Have you guys ever in your life

been a bad neighbor?

Was there ever a time

where you guys pretty model citizens

where any neighbor disputes even

or like bad neighbors that you had?

Well, we had when we were making,

when we were editing the show,

we actually got into kind of a neighbor dispute

because we edited the show in New York

at this production company,

Gummy Films, which like helped produce the show.

And while we were editing,

like come like maybe four PM,

the next door neighbor would star

practicing his DJ sets.

And there were actually three different DJs

in different rooms,

all practicing at the same time.

Damn.

Completely different types of music,

like reggaeton and then like

deep house and then rap music.

And it would just all start out like four

and go into like midnight.

And we were just like, this is insane.

Like how can we possibly concentrate?

But we're ultimately kind of whims.

And we're just like,

we're just not gonna say anything.

We're just not gonna say anything

because we're ultimately sort of pussies about it.

And we're just gonna sit and keep editing.

And then over time, we got kind of used to it.

Yeah.

And then it actually was sort of nice.

You couldn't edit without it.

Yeah, it was like Pavlovian.

Like where are DJs?

Like what happened?

And he's a really nice guy.

And then we met him and he's a really nice guy.

And we were like, okay, it's not his fault.

Don't you think?

Why wouldn't they just throw some headphones in though?

It's a great question.

Right?

You know what?

Yeah.

I guess you got to practice how you play it.

That's actually something we could have talked about.

Practice how you play it.

Exactly.

Or you guys maybe you'd be like,

why don't you throw a headphone in?

Yeah, right.

Right.

Well, we had headphones in.

Oh, but it was.

Oh, it permeated the camera.

The camera.

And then yeah, it's funny.

There was like this, this French news outlet

that wrote something about neighbors

and they said something about, I translated it

and it was talking about how like the edit

felt like gabber music.

And then I was just like, well, that's probably

because we were just listening to that.

Yeah.

Just like that.

Yeah.

Like you use some of the, is it like a, what is that lens?

It's like a fisheye or is it like a 360?

Yeah, 360.

And it's just like, it just makes it feel very like unique

and proprietary.

Cool.

Yeah.

What's the thought?

Like, why, why that?

It really pops in the first episode when you're like

on the beach and you're just like see it

like the entire world.

Yeah, totally.

I had been using those cameras for like the video is

Dylan and I were talking about, you know,

before doing neighbors.

And I'm just obsessed with that camera.

And we just get so excited about it

because you can just manipulate wherever the camera

go, you can animate the camera basically

after you shoot it.

It's really, I don't know.

What kind of camera is it?

It's called it.

It's just a 360 camera.

Is it like the GoPro one?

Well, we use the Insta 360 and then we use the GoPro Max.

Nice.

Yeah.

Like I've watched YouTube videos of DJ sets

where they have that.

And you can just like, while you're in the video,

you can like see it just capturing everything.

So I will tell you something.

Yeah, it's pretty cool.

Yeah.

I think also like we were always wanting

to actually film a real confrontation with one of them

because we had done videos where, you know,

both sides of the confrontation.

Exactly.

And so, yeah, that confrontation with the auditor

was really exciting.

It's very Cohen brothers of you.

Oh, yeah.

Well, you know, he doesn't do the over-the-shoulder shot

for dialogue.

He puts the camera right in the middle of the table.

Oh, really?

I didn't know that.

Wow.

How do you know them?

Which one?

I'm sorry.

Enter all the questions.

Which one does that?

Excuse me.

Well, you said the Cohen brothers.

He's asking which one.

Yeah, I can't.

He both puts the camera.

John?

I don't know.

Dude, I love the Cohen brothers.

Yeah.

They're the best.

Yeah.

They said about it that they always wondered

why anyone would think that's not how, like that puts you

in the conversation.

Yeah.

Right.

So when you're having the conversation,

you're only seeing the other person.

Yeah.

So in those dialogue shots.

But everyone else in film always does it over the shoulder.

Right.

Yeah.

Totally.

Over the shoulder kind of feels film school years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just rewatched that this week.

Dude, that movie goes so far.

Yeah.

So fucking good.

I love that movie too.

Like, there's just like so much of it is like there's no dialogue.

Yeah.

You're just like tracking a guy.

Like the whole beginning with him trying to get the money and the dog is chasing him.

Yeah.

It's just like kind of quiet.

Yeah.

Just like still.

Just like a pending doom the whole time.

Yeah.

This is dread.

That's quite Mac McCarthy.

Did you guys read the book?

No.

Of course.

It's a book really good.

It's unbelievable.

I've heard he's started with all the pretty horses.

I had to read the book in high school.

I'd read the book in high school and I didn't.

I watched the movie.

Yeah.

Apparently there are some major differences.

They caught your ass.

I know your teacher was.

She left some fucking dangling questions on that test.

You had to read the book for school for school.

Right.

And I was like, well, I'll just watch the movie.

It's great.

Right.

And then I was just writing shit directly based on the movie.

And like obviously the movie is probably more famous than the book at this point.

So like the teacher was like, this is clearly from the movie and not the book.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I can't remember what the differences were.

But stuff with sugar I think, boy, haunting, haunting villain there.

I think I did that with Julius Caesar.

I think I like we were like it was like a Latin class where it's supposed to like learn

about the history of Julius Caesar and I was just basing it off the play, the Shakespeare

play.

I don't think A2 Brute is like in, that's not history, that's what I know you're getting

but like to opt for a play.

Yeah.

It's honestly a request.

I'm going to read the entire Shakespeare works and I am a big pentameter committed to

memory.

Yeah.

I'm going to read this fucking thing.

I'm going to read the play.

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I have one time in my life that I think or I'm sure I was a bad neighbor and I was eight

years old and I just it was when I was first left home alone by my by my family.

Like that's around the age when you're like left home alone.

It was like during the day.

H's pretty young.

Yeah, it's pretty young, but you're left alone eight years old.

Yeah.

At home.

It's dissect that first.

Yeah.

A lot of fighting going on in my house and and I think it was like the first time that

like intrusive thoughts come into your head because you're like when the freedom of

you're like eight year old mind and body and stuff like that.

And the newspaper got delivered in the morning and it was like a weekend day.

And I was I don't know why the intrusive thought came in, but I was like, what if I go

get the the the newspaper ass naked and I fucking sprinted down the driveway ass naked

and grabbed my own newspaper as like a eight year old boy and like ever since then I just

have always just been like, why did I do why did I ever do that?

And then I'll put myself in like the position of like my Asian neighbors of like if they're

just like cracking the fucking the blinds to just see a little a little naked eight year

old boy like sprinting as fast as he can to get the paper and like dodging back through

the door like breathlessly.

What did your dad do that? Was he like a big go out get the paper?

That's beautiful though that's beautiful.

I think I think that's just a you know it's a beautiful child's mind right?

It's a nasty wild child's mind.

It's just like running around running around ass naked that young but I like yeah I think

I'm a little bit unburdened I think by getting it off my chest but just absolutely

wild behavior to shit you're sharing that with us.

Subjecting the fucking neighborhood to like a naked child to child pornography basically

just so I could satisfy my my little impulse.

Right last episode of neighbors the finale you had to want to spoil it too much but a lot of it

takes place in a nudist community so there's a lot of nudity and that the reason you know we know

that it feels good to sun your genitals is because we did it.

No you didn't. No you didn't.

Yeah we filmed a nude a lot of the time.

Yeah that's crazy.

I was like totally new to the boom pole just the most bouldering with my truck out of it.

What job could you have that's more vulnerable than oh my god.

I was I was lucky because I had to I hold a camera and we have like a set you know yeah

like a cine saddle so I like sort of can cover my balls and stuff.

I was just like spread eagle for like hours.

Steering on your subject just with my dick out and recording them.

That's crazy. They're naked too so it's you know it's better you know it's so good.

Are you guys allowed to say how many episodes the first season is?

Six. Six. Yeah. Yeah. Two more.

How many colonies do there are there like wayward boners that like just like you know pop up

you know where is that does that's something that you guys clocked at all or

or do you just divert your eyes and just keep it on the subject for the most part.

Mostly try to do that. It's like the icon I've never experienced such

incredible eye contact. You're like go down for a second you can't do that.

Just you're so locked so truly just a fit you're really looking at people's faces.

Yeah totally. You know sometimes that happens and there's protocol in the communities

where you basically you're supposed to carry around a towel with you ever where you go

because you can't sit on a surface. Yeah exactly. Yeah it's called a butt rug and so you carry

around your butt rug and so if in fact you get a erection cover the erection with a butt rug.

Is the same thing applied to women with say like engorged labia?

They show signs of a rug. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Even Steven. Why are we publishing more parents?

Right. Is it for a lot of guys didn't I feel like they're really like a lot of these

nudist communities are like you know unless it's a community of swingers which there are.

A lot of these communities we were filming in are like very nudism is so unsexual to them.

So like I mean I don't even know if we saw one boner honestly. I've wanted to.

Of course. Of course I've got no boners you know. I wanted to Safari and not see the line.

It is definitely a little bit more interesting if it's just a bunch of non-aroused nudist.

Oh yeah. Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean they're like there's basically two schools.

It's like the lifestyle which are the people that are nude for like polyamory and

they just want to have sex all the time and that kind of thing. And then there's like the

natureists or the naturalists who are like almost religious about it and they do not want

anything sexual to be happening within like their nudist world. You can go home or whatever

in how sex you want but being nude is not sexual. That's like a really important thing

of the nudist that we filmed with. I was used to want to do some kind of like small documentary

on people who have gym nophobia which is never nude. People who are like. Wow.

We're like. Yeah you probably do have like a little bit of gym nophobia.

Oh no I'm just like yeah I mean yeah. I don't know. He showers pants on.

Yeah no I don't I don't do that. No you said you're yeah your penis hasn't seen sunlight.

Yeah probably never will. No it's okay. That is interesting though like how much people don't

like to be naked. I mean a lot of these people we met like they just hate also the feeling of

clothes on their skin. It's as simple as that but I guess for the other people it's just like

you know. Is it intense shame I wonder if there's like a religious thing to it or what could be

the the impetus for for severe gym nophobia. Well it's maybe a religious thing. I don't know.

I mean I feel like I get never nude more than I get nudist because like never nude like most

of us are pretty much never nude. It's less from when like you're it's not like are you do you

guys go home and just immediately just naked. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. I think look

I think here. It's a spectrum. I would consider yourself a nudist. I'm a nudist. I'm actually

could be a common nudist. That was your like two degrees from yeah really. Yeah so you actually

you get home and you're like I got to get naked now. Um yeah yeah Dylan not a nudist. No

no no I'll go I'll go shirtless in my home. Yeah hot right. I find it much cooler for me not to

see I'm like the shirt's the last thing that leaves the body for me. Really pants off. I would

go I'd walk down 7th Ave with my cock out before I walk down with my shirt off. Oh that's so

interesting. You do that. No I don't. I don't do that. See you put this right. I might do it. I

write. Yeah. Yeah. Shit by the time. Is the towel is it for is it for like skid marks or for

butt sweat or ketchup. Oh yeah. And so and if you can't do not use a white towel because whether

you like you can clean yourself down there as much as possible but throughout the day it will

become a skid mark just like it looks like a car crash happened. That's unfortunate. Did that

happen to that? Is that a personal experience type of thing or we've seen it. We have seen it.

Yeah. We've seen it on the on the butt rugs. Yeah. Sure. But it never happened to us. You know

ourselves properly. So what do you got to go with like a black? A black. A black or gray?

Well it's funny. You're younger. Yeah. Yeah. Never thought about that. It seems like a sort of

poop brown. Dark, sickly green brown. Oh. Okay dude. I don't know. I don't know. Depends on

what day it is. You know. That's not what you guys have. Depends on if I'm coming from

jujitsu. Yeah. Yeah. That's fucking well they must have learned it and there must have been a

nasty learning curve for that. Or maybe it's quick. Maybe it's just like one skid mark. Yeah.

It could have been first day. Right. It's just unacceptable. Yeah. Try to vibe kill immediately.

Yeah. That's a skid mark. You stretch the legs. Go for a walk. Oh shit. We all shit ourselves.

You guys were in the community for two weeks filming. More than that. Yeah. We did like my girlfriend

who is the she's the cast and director on the show. Her name is Harley Shaw. She and I went down

there. We did a scouting trip for probably two weeks or so. And we were trying to film another

story. So I think collectively in the nudist communities we probably spent like probably a month

and a half. Yeah. Two months maybe like collectively. And that means like going and not filming because

we didn't film. We had to do these trips where we just like obviously like met people and hung out

and were naked with them and gained their trust for like a while. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Here's how to be naked among them to show that you were harmless. You have to. I mean it's sort of

like to show you're not praying on their community. Right to show that yeah we're harmless. Yeah.

You're not horny. Oh, you don't have your butt room? You're bomb on. Yeah. I mean it's probably all okay. No, seriously. I use it.

I got extra. Yeah. You probably can't roll in just cameras filming day one. Pants on. Yeah. Yeah.

Pants on. Pants on. But you know what? You're describing the shirt. No pants. We call it poop airing. We call it poop airing.

Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That shit. Is that okay? Is that okay to do?

That's actually super. Okay. Yeah. We kind of worked our way up to that.

It was like the earned a shirt. I felt like at a certain point we earned shirts. Yeah. We earned shirts.

But you have to have your cock out no matter what. It's kind of like there are like there's kind of

there's a bunch of different communities in this place called Pasco County, Florida. It's

the newest capital of the world and each community has this kind of different flavor. Some of the

rules in some of the communities are just stricter than others. And so they have places in the

communities where it's like you just have to be naked. You know, it's like near the pool or by the

Jacuzzi, you're like any kind of thing like that. It's like you have to be naked. And then

you know, it's just kind of a vibe thing too of like show you're not wearing a wire. Huh?

Just to show you're not wearing a wire. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That was a nightmare for me.

It's Mike. Everyone naked. It was like. What did you do? Every just boom, boom,

boom, excuse me. Yeah, I would boom. But a lot of our stuff we like like doing sort of

verite style. So we put people far away in film. So and you know, we try to like not always be

right in everything. So I would have to basically take like bandage tape and like, you know,

depending on what the angle was, I would like do it under their armpit or like, you know,

in between their thighs and then run the wire up over behind their ear and then like into their

hair and then into the hair like down by their forehead. You were put it around their thigh

as their ass make it. Just kneeling cock next to you. Yeah. Yes. I have a photo of Dylan

miking up somewhat one of our subjects just totally dude. You know, just this act just like right on

my head. Yeah. He's just getting teabagged. Yeah. I went to a bar in in Key West called the Garden

of Eden. And it's like a for the first three stories. It's a normal bar. And then on a

four story, it becomes like a nudist party after night. No phones and stuff like that. That's

really cool. It is nice. And like, Ben, it is like a much older crowd. We're nudist colony,

like older, skewed older. Look, some snacks just show up. Blue diamond almonds and more shows out

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the flavorful nuts. Yeah. There's mostly older. And then there are like, you know, there's some

young, some young people that trickle in, but it's mostly older. Are there any attractive people?

Definitely. Really? There's a couple. Yeah. Yes. What I wonder.

Hmm.

Probably the best place could be attractive. Yeah. Slip your shoes off. You might they were hurting.

All the stock. They can feel overdressed. We're going in that it could be a shoes off.

I actually like your shit. Your whole outfit is great. Oh, that's very kind. That's makes two of you.

Oh, I feel like you guys actually have similar style. Yeah. Yeah. You ever heard of Japan?

Oh, yeah. Oh, they got the goods, brother. They got the goods. We're just a bunch of pan.

Yes. We were. We love to go so. Yeah. Same. Would you guys ever do like a like international

neighbors? Dude, it would be so awesome. Absolutely. That would be sick. I like the idea that like a whole

season is just subtitled. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's like subtitled, but it's it's cool to think

about truly like not to get too deep, but like how do other countries deal with conflict?

Yeah. Simple as that. That would be amazing in China, because I mean, they sound like they're arguing

regular. Right. So to get them like an angry dispute. Yeah. And it's like the United States is

pretty spread out. All things considered. So a lot of countries, European countries, way more on

top of one another. And like that's why I'm always shocked at like you've had the last episodes

in Texas. And like my thought is like Texas, it's your property, live and let live. You just do

whatever you want, but people really have like opinions about other people's stuff where it should

be like the, you know, land of the free type of deal, but like seeing other people in different

environments on closer quarters would be fascinating. Oh, yeah. You learn from the first episode that

there's almost no amount of land that exist where you wouldn't still be bothered by a neighbor

because they were riding horses to see each other.

This is fucking rural as it could get. It's still found a way to hate each other. They were a mile

away from each other. That's crazy. That one got us so excited just like the, um, they are truly like

out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Like they are both moved there to be.

No neighbors. Yeah. That must have been brewing for so long. Like to get like in a beef that's

a mile away. Yeah. Like they must have been like just like looking, looking down each other from

falling horizon. Yeah. Seeing if there's like a bonk figure. Yeah. A binoculars out. Yeah.

I'm taking my horse over there. That is kind of the vibe though. They're like yep, see all

see over there. That's his house. And it's like a speck. Right. Right. But then how they both

were like they had the exact same interests. Yeah. Yeah. What was it? Dungeons and Dragons.

Yeah. We probably would have played a bunch by now. Yeah. They were like that was really sweet

that they finally admitted to some common ground. Wasn't one of them like complimenting that

they were like he's actually very talented in Dungeons and Dragons. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He is a dungeon

master. Yeah. Yeah. I heard he's a dungeon master. If it was cool, we would have played.

Unfortunately not. He has a gate. Yeah. We really wanted them to play Dungeons and Dragons.

No. That would have been so bad. You shot some of these a while ago. Have you kept up? Is

corollary to my earlier question? But have you kept up with any of these people and have any of them

resolved anything? Again. Don't answer it. Yeah. For sure. If it gives it away.

I think some have have just like the fire has dimmed. I see. I don't know if it's like

resolved. Like I don't know if they like love each other. But I think that the like the

fireiness of the of the dispute because I also think and sometime and I think our show sort of

does something where like both sides get to kind of exercise their their anger at the same time.

And I do think it kind of takes temperature down in the day. At least for a bit.

At least for a little while. Yeah. Was there you highlighted in the one with the two women in

the little strip of grass? Yeah. And then also the Vietnam vet and the guy. I can't remember

their names. I'm sorry. But that everyone was like had guns and that there were life threats.

Was there ever a moment where you thought boy we're close to a murder here like we or we're

in danger or anything like that? I don't think like we ever I think the only the time where

Victoria shows us her gun and she just like doesn't know. I think it was like the closest we

actually felt to like us being in harm because like that's like the scariest thing is that the

gun to accidentally go off and kill one of us. Like when that was happening I just imagined

the headline like of just like film crew. I wanted a film crew died because the gun went off.

Yeah. Yeah. But she just like pulls it out of a like it's not in like a safe.

Yeah. Under a sweater in her closet. Yeah. Yeah. That was the scary. I mean I think

you know when I think went when Johnny like threatened us in that moment like I think we were like

freaked out. And but in terms of like them actually hurting each other I think we were never

honestly like this is going to get to that point. You know it felt dangerous because like when

Victoria's like throwing the bush is really well it's a real physical thing she's doing

but we were never like they're actually going to go over and like shoot each other you know it's

sort of a threat. What do you say? I guess they also know they're being filmed so that'd be pretty

bold. Right. Pretty bold move. Yeah. I'm going to kill the neighbor. Wait till season 50. Yeah.

The world has told her. Yeah. Exactly. Like well we got you miced up and there's cameras everywhere.

Right. But I kind of would as a like if I was making a film about that I'd be like salivating a

little bit like a little bloodlust. Right. Right. Right. Not blood but maybe like a warning shot. Yeah

or like graze like a graze. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's just fire at once. Yeah. You're right.

Not at them obviously. If you want it. No. I mean we have to constantly check ourselves when we're

making this show and remind ourselves that we are filming with real people. Like I think it's really

easy when you're making documentary to be like this is the story we're telling. This is where we want

the story to go. And I think every day we're constantly checking ourselves like what are these people

actually doing? What are we following? Yeah. It's a constant negotiation.

Is there like are there plans for what you guys are going to do next? I'm sure that this has opened

up a lot of opportunities. I'm sure a lot of people love it as much as we all do.

Wow. Hopefully. Hopefully we can do it again. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully we can do it again. Run it back.

No work. You get a pod. No work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well you could do whatever other sitcom

actors done and just go to start a podcast talking about the episodes. I don't think you would

last for a long time. Yeah. It's a six half hour. No. Hopefully we'll do another season and hopefully

this show. I mean we want this show to last as long as it can last. We always imagine it as the

next cops. I was literally just going to say I can see it being like a cops. Yeah. It's always on.

Yeah. Exactly. Just keep running it. It's like every episode it's like I have an idea of what's

going to happen but it's going to be great regardless. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it gets us excited to

think about like taking on reality TV as something that's kind of become sort of a little soft

and kind of like kind of cooked a little bit. It just feels a little like over baked and I think

bringing realness back to reality TV again and like making it bring the doc approach to that kind

of thing I think is exciting for us and there's so many different types of like sub genres

or out of television that we think we could you know have fun doing. Yeah. Yeah. Like bring that

kind of like rawness to you know. Mm-hmm. Fuck yes. Well dude thank you guys so much for coming on.

This is so fun. Yeah. It's just you could just tell cause we're gushing but we're just all such

big fans of it and like yeah I want to see as much of it as you guys are ever allowed to make.

That's nice. Thank you guys for having us on. This was so so. Thank you guys. We can just keep

doing this for another four hours. A little fake job like you guys are in an editing bay

fucking eating shit. Yeah. Doing absolute bullshit. No you guys are making change in here.

We're changing the world. You guys don't fucking know the words. Okay.

No. No. Cool that you guys are capturing other people. We're people.

We're to be captured. We're living. We're filming I guess. Cool. Thank you guys.

Yeah. Thanks guys. Check out neighbors on HBO. Yeah please. Yeah. Please check it out.

Please. Please watch the fucking show.