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My name is Jim. This is Jim Wolfe, the Battle of Ideas.

Thank you for joining me in the trenches again.

Thanks for having me back, Anja.

As I just said, the previous conversation we had had very good feedback.

And you covered a lot of ground in a very short space of time and I appreciate the effort that you put into it.

We can slow down a little bit in this one.

You kind of took me to more or less the 9-11 period.

Sure, yeah, we can jump right into 9-11.

So basically where I left it off in the last conversation is that this cult had been slowly gaining power and setting its sights on world domination.

And so by the time we get to the 1960s, it's pulling off political assassinations around the world.

It's not scared to strike on foreign territory, including killing an American president, which has got to be one of the most audacious things you could think of.

I mean, America is either equal superpower with the USSR or the sole superpower in the world, killing their head of state on American soil.

So they were able to pull that operation off successfully because to this day there's still so many people that believe it was Lee Harvey Oswald.

Or if they disbelieved the official story, they still don't really know who did it and how they didn't know all of that.

So Israel went on after that period to have a puppet in the White House by the name of Lyndon Johnson who did whatever they wanted.

And Israel was already using things like getting women close to him.

There was a woman called Matilda Krem who was basically an Israeli agent and she was one of many mistresses at LBJ had.

And LBJ was one of the most presidious presidents ever. He did whatever they wanted.

He also launched wars in general for America.

Sorry, let me just jump in right there. He also was a key player in JFK assassination.

Yeah, he knew it was happening. I don't think he was maybe like a mastermind or an orchestrator, but he definitely knew about it.

He covered, he helped cover it up because he became president. So he had a lot of power and appointing commissions like the Warren commission and things like that.

There's a famous photo of him winking as he actually takes his oath of office and steps into the presidency, someone captured him winking.

But he was part of it.

He then launched the Gulf of Tonkin false flag attack or approved it so that the US get into the disastrous Vietnam war.

I mean, talk about it as the disaster of a generation.

But even as bad as that was, for me, one of his most treacherous acts was the 1967 was three years later the 1967 USS Liberty attack where he allowed he orchestrated a US ship being struck by Israel and just let it sink to the bottom of the ocean.

Totally covered it up and this was an attempt by Israel to get Egypt into a war and they were going to have the US back them against Egypt because they wanted to wipe out Egypt.

Egypt was a very strong neighbor of theirs, a strong Arabian country that would have probably destroyed them being in a military war.

But if they had the US backing it might not have.

But yeah, I mean, they just attacked a US ship and put Napalm on the deck, killed US officers.

In the end, it was Russia that actually helped rescue some of the survivors off that ship and helped the ship amazingly enough in the period of the Cold War.

And so Israel by then had already become so brazen that they would they would even attack an allies ship and try to make it look like Egypt and I mean LBJ just did whatever they wanted.

And so this is a very crucial period in US history and world history because American aid and favor swung totally into Israel's side into their corner and it no longer became an impartial arbiter of the Middle East and balancing Israeli and Arab affairs.

It was totally owned by Israel at that point.

Same thing happened throughout the 70s but by then Israel was getting control of the Senate and the Congress much more.

It was starting to infiltrate with its agencies like APAC and another thing that happened with the death of JFK was that they had managed to avoid registering under Farrah, which is the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

And so then APAC became the monster that it is today where it funds, it's like the most powerful lobby and it funds all these different politicians and it doesn't even have to register as a foreign agent.

So it's basically legalized bribery.

And today you can see there are certain websites or people that try to work out which how much money is going to certain politicians is called Track APAC.

Thomas Massey is one of the very few with principles who's taken exactly $0 from APAC.

But on the under end of the spectrum we have people like Donald Trump who's taken 230 million last count.

So yeah this whole APAC monster was growing then.

Yeah sorry I'm just thinking now you said LBJ was the most Zionist US president.

I might argue with that and suggested perhaps Trump is.

Yeah I don't mean he's the most Zionist ever.

He has a lot of competition unfortunately because there's a lot of tries to absorb themselves.

Yeah Trump, Trump absolutely he would buy for that title.

I think LBJ was the most in that period because we had Eisenhower who you know he wasn't exactly pro-Jewish.

He did maybe some things they liked.

JFK absolutely was against them. He saw them for what they were. They got rid of him.

Then it totally swung in their favor with LBJ Nixon.

Was scared of them. He did some things.

But I also think that they were the this cult was the reason behind Nixon's impeachment.

He started to kind of threaten the CIA and you know basically say to that then CIA director Richard Holland.

Hey I know what happened with you know JFK and so.

And then you know subsequent comparisons after that I think they had they had some control of them but not full control.

They had some control over Clinton and George Bush but there was also actually a plot that was uncovered.

Where George Bush was not going along with Israel. This is George Bush senior.

And so they had a plan to assassinate him.

And this was revealed by an ex massage by called Victor Astrovsky.

He's a great source of information.

He wrote two books called the by way of deception is the first one and then the other side of deception is the second one.

And he he reveals like a lot of great information about the massage the inner workings of the massage what what you have to go through to become part of it.

How they work what operations they pulled off. I mean he has a lot of information in those books.

They were very famous and in one of the one of the books he talks about this alleged plot to take out George Bush senior.

He was going to be he was going to be taken out when he was visiting Madrid.

And Astrovsky tried to do everything he could to warn about this coming attack so that it could be averted and in the end it was averted.

So even some of these US presidents throughout the 80s and 90s.

They might have done what Israel wanted but there were certainly times where they went against Israel or they planned to go against Israel.

And then Israel was apparently about to pull out its weapon of assassination to bring them back in line.

But one thing they did with Clinton was they had Monica Lewinsky on their payroll.

She was Jewish and so they had that whole thing that they held over Clinton.

And Gordon Thomas the Welsh writer talked about how Netanyahu actually used that against Clinton.

And and then we also have the ex-Israeli spy Ari Ben Banashi.

He's another great source for this information. He wrote a book in the 80s that detailed his time.

He wasn't in the massage. He was in another agency called Aman which is military intelligence.

And he he was totally involved in Iran contra.

But his job was to go around and basically bully countries into not making certain kind of weapons or not doing certain things that might go contrary to Israel is really interests.

And he would use all sorts of all the dirty tricks in the bag to to do that.

But he talks about how the Mossad would even blackmail their own leaders.

So at that time Ehud Barak looked like he might be drifting close into a peace agreement with Yasser Arafat and Bill Clinton.

And so the Mossad basically was dispatched and they said hey if you if you make peace here then we're going to reveal the sexual blackmail stuff that they had on Ehud Barak.

And that of course brings us to none other than Jeffrey Epstein.

So the question is okay now what?

Yeah I mean it's still just a few weeks after the whole Epstein files released the big one January 30th of 3.5 million files.

And I think it's fair to say that the whole world is still in shock.

I mean even people in the truth community or the conspiracy research community are blown away.

I mean it is absolutely astonishing what has been uncovered so far.

And we're only a few weeks into this.

I mean there are 3.5 million files. There's so much more to discover.

But already it's clear to see from these emails from these documents that Epstein really was a microcosm to the new world auto macrocosm.

Everything you can you think you know about the new world auto conspiracy whether it's political corruption, sex trafficking, blackmail, pedophilia, control of nations, even things like torture, rape, satanism, cannibalism.

These are all uncovered in the files.

I mean we have we have black and white evidence even even though some of the files are deducted.

I mean we have countless references to all this stuff.

Not to mention eugenics and transhumanism. It's all in there.

And Epstein was heading up, he was connecting all these people and pushing all these agendas.

You know what's amazing though is how he came out of nowhere.

Nobody really knows how he got to where he got.

Well the backstory on Epstein is that you know we know that he was kind of employed early on at Dalton to teach mathematics and physics.

He didn't seem to have any degree to do that. Now he was employed by Bill Barr's father and Bill Barr later became you know another one of these agents that was totally corrupt and covered things up.

But Epstein ended up meeting Galeim Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell in the 1980s and they fell in love.

Robert Maxwell was a super spy from Assad. He was a billionaire and he was involved in the promise scandal.

Now promise was this software that was developed by Bill Hamilton who was a former NSA agent or contractor.

And it was basically a very handy piece of software because it allowed the user to enter information and it would do this kind of cross database,

cross computer search and up to then there wasn't really a tool like that.

And so it was an incredibly useful tool for searching databases for extracting information and he originally developed it as a like a prosecutorial management system aid.

So for basically for lawyers that were like trying to prosecute cases.

But it soon became something where these evil intelligence agencies like the NSA CA they saw that this stuff had like way more uses than that.

So they took his software and they made modifications and built back doors into it.

And I can I I know take all this in my book that basically it got into the Israeli hands via Rafi Aitan who was another one of these kind of intelligence leaders in Israel that was up to his neck and corruption.

He got a copy of it and this is all documented.

And so then basically the Israeli started using it and putting back doors into it and then selling it to all these other countries just just like the US was doing.

So I had this race between the intelligence agencies to get this promise software into all computer systems around the world, even allies.

Like I remember watching 60 minutes in Australia talking about how it got into the 60 minute, got into the Australian government system.

They used it all over the world and then they had the perfect way to spy on on their allies and their enemies and keep up to date with all their information and no one knew, no one knew about this for a while.

So Robert Maxwell was the person was the man that was chosen by the Mossad as like kind of a trusted agent to push this to sell it because he already he was already a billionaire, he had a media empire, he owned a lot of major media in London in England.

And so he was he was doing a lot of work for the Israelis.

Harry Ben Manashi again, he tells the story of how Maxwell and Epstein, how they were hired, you know, they were in the office of Robert Maxwell and Robert Maxwell kind of brought Epstein into the family business so to speak along with his daughter Galen.

And I think, I think, I remember Manashi tells the story that at first they kind of felt like Epstein was incompetent, they weren't that impressed by him.

But I think what happened was he basically found his niche with all this sexual perversion stuff that was going on.

And he kind of got into that in the late 80s and started building this whole sexual trafficking sexual black wild network.

And that suited them perfectly because that that's a playbook straight out of the Mossad to basically entrap your people you want compromised on with sexual blackmail.

Now another thing that happened that it's come out even before this 3.5 million release this dump was that Epstein had a contract with none other than the Rothschilds, the key family, the key bloodline family that's running all of this.

He had a $25 million contract with them and I've read some of it, it's online, you can see it.

It mostly covers financial terms, but who's to say that there weren't more contracts directly between Epstein and the Rothschilds and who's to say that this wasn't the way that basically he was being funded because he had an extensive operation.

I mean, he had all these properties and mansions, he had them all with cameras in every room so he could catch people.

And I believe the Rothschilds, this is maybe one of the ways that they were funding him to pull off this operation.

So Epstein was closely related to Israeli intelligence to the Rothschilds right from the start.

Epstein is kind of like an enigma.

I mean, you've got Congress people right now who have read either parts of the files, parts of the 3.5 million that are unredacted, they've got access to them.

Oh, they've read some of the ones that are yet to be released.

And they're coming out of those sessions saying it's disgusting, it's absolutely horrific.

And what are they referring to? I mean, we already know about all the sexual DVNC, the torture, the sexual blackmail, but I think they're actually referring to one of the Congress women was Lauren Bourbet.

She's talking about cannibalism. Well, there's already references to cannibalism in the files we have.

There's all these references to beef jerky and there's multiple references to pizza throughout the whole thing.

And this takes us back to the 2016 pizza gate scandal where WikiLeaks has one of the organizations that leaked all these famous politicians.

In that case with WikiLeaks, it was mostly the podesters who were very close to the Clintons using all these code words like pizza and hotdog and walnut sauce and maps and all of this stuff.

And we know that these are code for pedophilic words, for little boy or little girl or things like that.

And here we have pizza coming up again, repeatedly throughout the Epstein files, but we also have references to beef jerky.

And to the beef jerky, is it ready for Jeff? Does it need to be refrigerated?

And if we look at this kind of logically in point of fact, beef jerky is a self-stable substance, it doesn't need refrigeration.

So why the hell would they be talking about the need to have the beef jerky ready on hand and for it to be refrigerated?

I would suggest that actually what we're talking about here is the as sick as the sounds, the consumption of human flesh, the eating of babies basically.

You and I are both fathers.

The level of vial.

Yeah, it's sick. It really is sick.

And I think it points to a deeper truth that what we're really seeing here is that this world has been run by a satanic cult.

And as much as people don't want to really face that, there's really no way to avoid it now.

These Epstein files are putting this in our face. It's not as bad as political corruption is, as bad as sexual blackmail is, as bad as trafficking of children is, as bad as torturing them is.

Yeah, or that's horrific, but what's behind all of this? This is Satanism.

For sure, but because of the scale, the magnitude of this, do you think anything will come of it?

I think we're at a key point right now.

There was a time when Epstein would not have even been arrested.

I mean, you and I have been doing this for a while.

I remember reading about Epstein before 2019 and just thinking, okay, like I knew he existed.

I knew that this was some kind of ring, but I didn't I didn't think anything would happen.

I saw these people are above the law.

And then suddenly everything changed in 2019 where he actually got arrested and the whole thing with him going to jail and then his fake death is disappearance.

But since then, we've had, you know, all these updates on this case, we've had glam being caught and now we've had files being released.

So, you know, there's a real chance here for humanity to rise up to use this as a way to awaken,

to not just go, okay, this is just another scandal that's in the headlines now and it's going to be old news tomorrow,

but to actually really press for accountability to really follow this and see where it leads.

How much of this, though, do you think is real and how much of it is theater?

A distraction.

I think it depends how it's used.

I mean, there are people that are really shocked and angry right now and that kind of feeling about rage and anger can be used can be used in a good way.

It can be transformed into a demand for justice and accountability.

So, I mean, yeah, you can focus on different aspects of the files.

You know, you can focus on, oh, he was with this celebrity or that celebrity and that becomes a little bit more like tabloid gossip stuff.

But you can, I mean, like I just said, everything's in these files.

It's a microcosm, like of the macrocosm.

You can go deep into it.

You can unravel all sorts of stuff, whether it's torture, satanic ritual, Satanism.

It's all in there and you can really get to straight back to the Rothschilds and the satanic cult that rules the world by the information in these files.

If that's where people want to take it. If people want to open their eyes to that, they can.

But then one wonders if that cult will try and stop, you know, disclosure.

Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure they will. That's what they've been doing for so long.

They thrive on secrecy. They thrive on the compartmentalization of knowledge and information.

But we're at an age now where there's a lot more awakening. There's a lot more noticing.

Now we have these files to the point where we have 3.5 million of them.

There's still more to come.

Pam Bondi did a disastrous hearing the other day where she was very quick to be defensive and emotional and insulting and name calling.

And people don't do that unless they've got something to hide.

So it came off really, really badly.

I think people are noticing this and we've got whole collections of victims that are screaming out.

I mean, they're upset too because their names weren't redacted.

But regardless of that, I mean, we have actual people here that are being harmed by this, that have been part of it.

We've got people like Julia Bryant in your neck of the woods.

Other victims who have been very explicit about how this worked, how they were entrapped, what it entailed.

I mean, there's a real chance here for humanity to use this to wake up.

I don't know what direction this is going to go. I really hope this doesn't just become some headline that gets forgotten about.

I really hope that people continue to research this and unravel it.

The thing, though, is that Trump has been implicated.

He's the president of the US.

Yeah, that's how huge this is.

And Trump is in damage control mode.

I mean, he was always trying to put all that on out to you.

He was always trying to say that he didn't really know Epstein that well and that he threw him out of Mara Largo and all this.

And then when it became kind of impossible to take that line, he started calling the whole files of Democrat hoax.

Well, I mean, that's absurd. These files have nothing to do with left right.

You know, the fake, the fake political paradigm, they cut across all party lines.

They cut across all countries.

I mean, Epstein was an insider, an incredible insider who had control over all these different countries in the world.

And we're not just talking about the US.

I mean, look at his relationship with Peter Mandelson.

There's photos of Peter Mandelson standing in his underwear talking to unknown girls.

And Mandelson was giving Epstein a blow-by-blow account of what was going on with the fight for the British political leadership in 2010 when Gordon Brown was around a Nick Clegg.

So Epstein was getting all this information about it when not even the public knew that that such was his power over Mandelson and the British establishment and his reach into British politics.

I mean, then he has the relationship with Macron, who himself is a Rothschild banker.

He has all these close relationships with these Middle East sultans.

He has relationships with prime ministers in the Scandinavian countries.

I mean, his reach is absolutely fantastic and incredible.

So, I mean, the thing with Trump is that Trump was best buddies with Epstein for a very long time.

Trump even has a quote where he said he knew Jeff for something like 15 years.

So we're talking about a good part of the 80s and the 1990s.

Yes, eventually they had a falling out, was maybe over a real estate deal or something else.

Eventually, Trump kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, but this is way, way, way late in the game.

I mean, now Trump is trying to use his defense, this document that turned up a week or two ago about how he called the Palm Beach Police Department to try to tell them how bad Epstein was.

Well, he did that in July 2006.

This is a good two years after Epstein was been investigated from 2004 onwards.

And so Trump was very late to the game and it's quite possible he just did that as a way to kind of make it look good for him.

You know, make it look like he was on the outside.

But the fact is, even before these files were released, we've had multiple women step forward, like Katie Johnson,

who have alleged that they were raped by Trump and they're very explicit about their details.

And they say that they were also raped by Trump and Epstein at the same parties in Florida and New York.

Trump and Epstein were womanizing together.

They were conducting all of this stuff together all throughout the 90s.

There are lots of victims who say that, you know, Epstein would bring a girlfriend, his girlfriend in, and then Trump would just stand there and start groping her.

And then Epstein was angry at Trump and they had this whole close relationship where they were just engaging in debauchery for a really long time.

And so Trump can't hide that.

He can do his best to try to claim nonsense like this as a Democrat hoax.

But the fact is he was participating in all these crimes for actually more than decades.

Well, your book is called Cult of the Chosen Ones. I don't think Epstein is one of the chosen ones.

He thinks he is. Epstein's other emails that have come out in this dump.

There are emails where Epstein's talking about how Jews make money and how someone's emailing him and saying this is a war between Jews and non-Jews

and Jews are winning. And there are references to this kind of thing.

There are also references in, when I was writing the book and I was investigating some of the victims, some of the victims were taken to his island.

And they talk about how, you know, in between when they were being abused and raped, they're just kind of sitting around.

And there's all these rich people there, a lot of them, a lot of them are Jewish.

And I remember some victim, it might have been one of the farmer girls or one of the others is talking about how she's in this group and the people are like,

oh, don't bother talking to her, you know, she's not Jewish, she's just a nobody.

And so there is this definite supremacy that's running through this cult and it does crop up in Epstein as well.

I haven't actually seen anything connecting Epstein and 9-11 so far.

Other than there was an email that came up interestingly about someone emailing Galen Maxwell and saying,

would you like to be on the 9-11 shadow commission and she declines the offer?

So I think that was definitely an interesting little tidbit. We'll see what more comes out.

But yes, to get to 9-11, so basically what we had was, I was describing how, you know, the cult had kept kind of leveraging their control

and trying to get control over the Presidents and they had Bill Clinton mostly under control.

They had the sexual black male and him through Monica Lewinsky.

But basically they had been planning a massive operation for decades in advance.

And that operation was to destroy big towers in America and blame it on Muslims or Arabs.

And so this kind of thing was press-arge. There was four knowledge going back to even the 1980s.

There was a Mossad leader called Issa Harrel who spoke about this as always some kind of prophecy.

There was a lot of work that was being set up even in the early 90s.

There was a smaller bombing that happened at the World Trade Center in 1993.

And all of these things were necessary to put the whole plan into place because after that bombing,

Israeli security companies got the contract for security for the whole building.

And they gradually started getting, warming their way into the US government and getting really important security contracts.

We were talking about promise. They got their promise software into a lot of US department agencies like the White House, the IRS.

But importantly, they got it into NORAD and the FAA.

And that's really key because those were the two agencies that were in charge of the US airspace.

So the FAA or the Federal Aviation Administration, they're in charge of the civilian aspect of it and NORAD is in charge of the military.

Now, I found in my research that there were basically Israeli agents that had infiltrated these organizations.

And they were playing around with this promise software for at least a year and a half before 9-11.

They were trying to understand the exact protocol that would happen in the event of a hijacking so that they could bypass that protocol.

They could thwart it and stop the usual procedures.

So to understand 9-11, we have to understand that what really happens when someone is wanting to pull off a major event like an assassination or a false flag operation.

What they have to do is they have to get a certain level of control so that they can stop the usual procedures that would be kicked into gear in such a case.

And so there was a guy called Colonel Fletcher Prouty who was part of JFK's stuff when JFK was alive.

And after JFK was killed, Prouty basically became an expert on assassinations and on how they kind of get pulled off and bypassing normal security protocols.

And so he wrote a famous thing where he talks about how if you really want to learn who did an assassination, you just have to ask yourself who had the power to bypass the normal security protocols and you'll have your answer right there.

Of course, the people that are really pulling it off, it's like a black magic trick, you know, they want you to look in the left hand while the right hand is doing something else.

So they don't want you to look at who really had the power to change the security protocols.

But that's what happened with 9-11.

We had this promise software that was hijacking things, taking control of the computer systems, and then they were also running all these drills on the same day of September 11th.

So the standard kind of low-level, mid-level agents that were just in front of the computer screens were seeing all these blips on their radar screens.

And they thought it was just an exercise or a drill.

They didn't realize that suddenly there was a real hijacking going on.

And when they were told by their superiors, no, actually this is real time, this is not simulation, this is not an exercise.

They were like, I can't tell what's what here because the screen was just full of blips.

And so this was just one of many ways that they covered up made it impossible for the normal security protocols to be activated.

Just before you go any further, is there a car nearby?

Yes.

It's about to leave.

Sorry.

Yeah, it came through quite loud in my headphones.

Okay.

I mean, we can edit this part out.

No, no, no, no, no, it's all good.

All right.

So, okay.

But the actual 9-11 event wasn't just a twin towers.

Yeah.

It was a legit plane, but actually really a missile that struck the Pentagon.

And then there was this fourth plane, well, not really a plane, but they said a fourth plane crashed in Shanksville in an urban area of Pennsylvania.

There was nothing.

There was nothing.

Because when we look at the debris there, there's just tiny little bits of things that it doesn't look like.

I know, but...

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Have you heard the visual story?

It went into the ground, like literally it vaporized.

Yeah, see, you know, this is really the thing with all these operations.

Like, whether it's the JFK thing and the Magic Bullet that's meant to kind of have done a U-turn in mid-air and gone through the flesh of all these different people.

Or the 9-11 story where we're meant to suspend disbelief and believe that a passport somehow survived fire and fell magically to the ground and they rescued the passport, even though most of the plane pulverized.

This is the kind of thing where, you know, they're really asking people to suspend their sense of reality, their sense of common sense and that's where it breaks down.

That's where, if you really look at this closely, like, wait a minute, even if I believe the government in general or authority in general, I'm not going to disbelieve my own sense as a my own sense of logic.

Just regarding the planes, I've done a number of shows on this and I've had very, very varied opinions.

But I think it's fair to say that whether or not there were planes or there weren't planes, I think what's important here is the official story is complete nonsense.

Absolutely. I agree with you there. Yeah, because we can get too caught up in how they did it.

And these guys have access to advanced technology that's not in the public domain, it's not in the public arena.

And so it makes very difficult then to really decipher what happened and then we get caught up in this endless arguing over the how when actually, yeah, I mean, the most important thing is the wind.

The who, the who and the why, who did it and why they did it is much more important than the technicalities of how they pulled it off.

Well, okay, so then why?

Why, so basically it was to get US public opinion and the US military on board with fighting Israel's wars.

So Israel is a small country and it's surrounded by a lot of countries that have more land area that have bigger populations.

Some of them have more, you know, military prowess than Israel.

And so right from the start, Israel's problem has been how do we survive in this hostile environment, especially when Israel is not just trying to merely live in peace.

I mean, it is, it is always, right from the start, it's always been attacking its neighbors and it has an expansionist agenda.

And you can see this even in, they're open about it. I mean, they have arm patches.

The IDF military soldiers have arm patches showing greater Israel. They show the map of what they want to take.

And greater Israel is this plan that came out of the 1982 Audid Yunnan right up where he's talking about stretching Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates.

So that would mean taking a huge part of Egypt, a huge part of Saudi Arabia, all of Lebanon, parts of Syria going into Iraq, all the way up to Iran.

Even into Turkey, taking over all these countries and having this huge area.

They've got this map of hurts. They have it on their arm patch.

And this is the agenda they're actively pursuing. So when you have a country that's doing that, all these talks of peace are merely just preparation for war.

And Israel knows that it can't do all this by itself. It's going to need the US support.

So what better way to do that than to create this whole boogeyman enemy of the evil Muslim with the beard and a turban and create these endless iterations of Muslim terrorism, whether it's ISIS, whether it's Boko Haram, whether it's Al Qaeda, all these groups.

If you look into the funding of them, you find you can trace it back to the CIA, MI6 Mossad, these three key intelligence agency that fund them and arm them.

I think Obama actually said that he was part of the creation of ISIS or the US at least.

Yeah, there's been lots of admissions over the years by different officials that actually these organizations either don't really exist.

For example, in the case of Al Qaeda, we had Robin Cook who was a British foreign secretary.

He said Al Qaeda originally meant the database in Arabic.

And it was just a collection of fighters that kind of left over Mujahideen fighters who were also backed by the West in the 1980s to try to make a problem for the USSR and Afghanistan.

So this has been going on a very long time.

Yes, ISIS is totally a US British intelligence Israeli creation.

And you can see that in so many different ways, like the whole period of the Syrian war where the ISIS was being used to basically advance Israeli interests.

ISIS fighters were being treated in Israeli hospitals.

ISIS never attacked Israel, even though you would think Israel would be one of their natural enemies if they want to create this whole Islamic caliphate or Islamic state.

And ISIS even attacked shrines and areas in Iran.

So Iran was fighting them.

And that's another clue.

If ISIS was so pro Muslim, why would they attack Iran?

Well, they're not.

They're just Muslim extremists. They're Wahhabis, which itself ties into the cult because Wahhabism is closely connected to the original Wahhab guy.

He was friends with the Saud, Ibn Saud, that the Saudis and the Wahhabis, two of the ruling families of Saudi Arabia.

And the British gave basically carved up Arabian and created this whole new country of Saudi Arabia way back in the 20s and 30s when they favored Ibn Saud to fight the other warlords and kind of win.

Because he was going to do what Britain wanted and ultimately what Israel wanted.

And so that ties in actually with stuff I was saying in our first interview about crypto Jews.

That the Saudi family are a crypto Jewish family.

Takhtirism is also another interesting trick.

Exactly. And that's part of the trick.

It worked for a while, but again, we're in a period of the great awakening, the great noticing, hopefully.

And people are starting to see, hang on a minute.

Sorry.

Yeah, sorry. I'm jumping in here, but I was thinking about this.

They go, oh, you know, these Muslims, they're just so violent and they just want to kill everybody, right?

But have any of these people been to the Arab world?

I mean, like, Oman is one of the safest countries in the world.

Well, so much of this is about perception.

And Israel was able to whip up this idea of Muslim terrorism even through their control of Hollywood and pumping out all movies.

They can just make Muslims a bad guy is in movies.

You know, it used to be the Nazis, then it became the Muslims.

And so then basically with control of the media and Hollywood, you can really shape people's perception.

And so painting, bin Laden and other people, you know, is kind of evil terrorists in your enemy.

It worked for a while and it got the US behind it and allowed the US to invade Afghanistan and Iraq in 2001 and 2003.

I mean, look at what happened with Britain. Tony Blair lied.

Britain helped George Bush and America go into Iraq in 2003.

A million Iraqis died because of that.

So Israel has realized that, especially since this whole Gaza genocide thing, that actually their way to try to get the West on board is not by trying to convince people that Israel is like an upright, civilized outpost of Western civilization.

I mean, they've tried, they've tried doing that and there's only so far they can take that argument in the face of their genocide.

But they, they, it's more like an appeal to emotion of like, okay, well, look how scary Muslims are.

Muslims are your enemy, you know, we're not your enemy. Muslims are your enemy.

And actually it reminds me of what these, these five dancing Israeli said when they were captured right after 9-11.

They were captured doing high fives and celebrating in New Jersey, documenting the event taking photos of the buildings that had just been blown up in Manhattan.

And when they were captured, they were like, hey, why not, why not the enemy of Palestinians that your enemy, you know, you have to hate Palestinians.

And so the agenda is pretty clear that that's, that's what Israel has been trying to do.

It's been trying desperately to get in the Midwestern as especially Americans.

This hatred for Muslims is fear of Muslims so that then Israel can control the US military and get it to fight all its wars in the Middle East.

And Hollywood, when it makes movies about terrorism or terrorist attacks, they always happen to look like Arabs.

But they're never Jews.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, the perceptual war, the information was such a huge part of this.

And for a very long time, I mean, going way back to the Rothschilds and their rise to power and their money and buying out Reuters and buying out the media companies.

And then the Jewish control of Hollywood and the mainstream media, we've had this, this cult control of information and media.

And so it really does play such a huge part of perception.

And when something happens like just in the last few years where you get new platforms like TikTok and then suddenly you get all this from the Israeli perspective,

I'll know all this anti-Israeli content, they're exposing what's happening in Palestine.

But what do they do? Then they get whip up all this fear about how TikTok is a Chinese asset.

And it's a Chinese spying on America. It's that's absolute nonsense.

And so they whip up all that fear and then they force Trump, who basically they control to kind of get on board with it.

And now suddenly we have TikTok in the hands of Larry Allison and his son.

And we have like a new former IDF agent who's in charge of censorship there.

I mean, they call it some position like, you know, stopping anti-Semitism or whatever.

They just come up with some name, but it's basically just making sure that Jewish control, Jewish narrative is the only one that gets put on there.

And then people have reported, I mean, I'm not on TikTok, people have reported that you can't even write the word Epstein on TikTok or you automatically get flagged or banned or shadow banned or whatever.

So they are very good at infiltrating the media, even if it's an alternative media on the internet or new media, new channels like TikTok and getting control over it,

getting some agent in there to basically act as a censor. They're very good at that.

But at the same time, there are also people that notice that they're doing that. So it goes both ways.

Can you remember what you were doing on 9-11?

Yeah, I can. I mean, I was still an Australia at that time and I remember seeing the plane going to the tower.

And at that time, I didn't think anything of it. I mean, I certainly didn't know the concept of false flag operation.

I thought it was horrific. It took me a long time to start to question that event and then to realize, wait a minute.

I remember seeing a documentary about it. I mean, there was a loose change, which was one of the first ones, but there was some other ones floating around at that time, maybe like 2005.

I started watching those, and I thought, wait a minute. Something's going on here. And so that actually didn't help kickstart my research because, yeah,

it just kind of when I open my mind up to that information, I realized they could totally lie about this.

They lie about everything else. Why wouldn't they lie about this, too?

The COVID era is probably one of the biggest attacks on the human psyche, I think, in modern history.

Is this still too new in terms of your research?

No, so I have a book from 2023 called Break Your Chains, and I have a huge chapter on COVID in that.

I was doing a lot of work during COVID striding articles, and it took me on a whole research trail that was very interesting.

And it basically led me down to questioning viruses themselves and the whole science of virology.

And I was very impressed by the work of Tom Cohen, Andrew Kaufman, and then Stefan Lunker getting into his whole work and his successful court case in Germany,

where he challenged that measles was even caused by a virus.

And so, you know, I reach the conclusion that I don't know if viruses exist. I don't think they're really different than exosomes.

And certainly, if they do exist, then do they even really cause disease?

Is there a whole other question as well? And so, if these fundamental questions aren't answered, we have no real reason to just assume that what we're told with a standard kind of model of virology.

And of course, when these basic questions at the heart of it aren't answered, is there such a thing as a COVID virus?

And even if it is, can it kind of infect, can it even cause disease? If those questions aren't answered, then the whole house of cars just falls down because there can be no justification for any government intervention,

whether it's masks or social distancing or vaccines or, you know, green cards, passport cards, whatever they were trying to introduce, like all of that is absolute nonsense.

It's based on a lie when we haven't even answered the basics. And so that, that really worked me up to realize, wait a minute.

This is just another operation. It's another psychological operation because they can invent an enemy just like they invented bin Laden.

I mean, bin Laden actually existed, I guess, but he wasn't, he wasn't anything like they said he was.

There's evidence he was, he was called Tim Osman. That was his CIA handle. And then there were all these fake bin Laden videos, which are actually horribly fake.

I mean, you think they could have done a better job, but they've got him right-handed in one hand, left-handed in another, and he's nose looks different in some of them.

All these fake videos. And so he was, he was a total fake enemy that was created. And then he was killed like three or four or five times. He seemed to have more lives than a cat.

So, wait a, you know, if we're doing some pattern recognition here, what, what they did with the creation of an enemy for the 9-11 false flag operation, it also looks like they did the exact same thing with COVID.

They didn't even need to have a real virus. They, they just pulled all this thing off with the use of PCR tests.

And Carrie Muller, the inventor of the PCR test was saying, hey, you can't, this, this isn't really an accurate diagnostic tool.

It's not meant to be used for that. And you can just run the cycles of this and you can find anything you want. You can pick up anything you want, basically.

So, once you start running this to 30, 35, 40 cycles, you can say anything. And then it's like, okay, this isn't science.

This is just the, the facade of science using some pretend tool that sounds scientific with like big words. It's got the scientific lingo and jargon.

But you can basically control whatever result you have. You can see whatever you want. Then they start changing the laws to make death certificates for people that died with COVID rather than from COVID.

And suddenly you can multiply the deaths. And, you know, suddenly you have a pandemic out of nowhere.

Yeah, it makes you wonder, though, what's next?

Yeah, I mean, looking into 9-11, that, that operation was decades planning in advance because I've touched on how there were all these kind of people that seemed to know that it was coming, that were planning for it.

It was foreshadowing even happening in a 1978 film by an insider who worked for Israel. His name was Arnold Milchern. He did a movie in the late 70s where he showed a plane crashing into a building.

We have, you know, Mossad talking about it in the 80s. We have the actual on the ground planning in the 90s of like getting control of security systems, airports, infiltrating with software until it happened in 2001.

So to pull off like an operation of that magnitude, you do need decades of planning. So yeah, it's a good question. What is coming next? What are they planning for right now that we're going to be seeing in the future?

Because the JFK assassination happened in 63, 9-11 happened in 2001. That's a 38-year gap. I mean, it seems like this whole war on terror thing that was launched by the 9-11 operation is kind of worn off now.

You don't hear political leaders talking about that. It seems like that's kind of, it's mostly used up its proper gandistic value. I mean, yeah, there's still such a thing as terrorism.

You still hear leaders talking about the need occasionally to eradicate terrorism or fight terrorism. But it's nothing like it was in those years. There's five, 10 years after 2001.

So are they planning another one and what would it be? I mean, it's quite possible. I mean, they thrive on assassination and false flag operation.

Now, carrying off these huge events is a way that they push people into this fight or flight and this emotional activity and this shock. And then they're able to push things through that they couldn't ordinarily do when people are in a kind of more calm, rational, logical state of consciousness.

It's one of the ways that they control people and they are master manipulators. So it would not have all surprised me that they do have some other event planned.

I don't know what it is other than there's been talk for a long time that what could be on the cards. Maybe there's like their final kind of card is a false flag alien invasion.

Actually, actually, I also wondered about that and read about it and it kind of does seem plausible because I mean, if you've heard of a project blue beam, it's certainly, it's certainly something that can occur.

And we know that there is a lot of UFO disclosure happening now anyway.

Yeah, I think it's definitely plausible, especially with the progress that AI is making. We're already in an age now where it's impossible to tell what's real and what's fake.

There's videos online that show politicians or something saying, saying certain things and luckily, the producers, the creators of that content are doing it deliberately as satire.

They're having these politicians say ridiculous stuff so you can tell from the context, okay, yeah, he would never would have said that.

But I mean, if you're just looking at the lips moving or their face, you can't tell the difference.

So, and again, coming back to the point I made earlier, what is in the public arena, the public domain is far behind the actual cutting edge technology they possess in these military underground bases.

So they could pull off something incredibly realistic and incredibly convincing and the average person wouldn't know.

But the risk for these manipulators doing that is that once they pull off like a false flag alien invasion, there's really no going back.

You can't really put the genie back the bottle after that.

So then they have to basically entertain the idea that there really are aliens and it depends how they're going to frame it.

Are we being attacked? Oh, okay. So there's evil aliens that are attacking us. So we need a one world government tonight behind that maybe one way they play it.

But then people are always going to think, okay, there's evil aliens.

It's going to totally open up a Pandora's box of how people are going to react to that and what that's going to mean for how society is structured.

So of course, you know, they've wargamed this out. They simulate all these things and they've probably analyzed this to death to figure out how they're going to control that situation then.

But it's like, to me, it feels like a bit of a desperate play because there's also going to be a segment of the world that are going to be like this is fake.

You know, you guys are faking and yes, there are real aliens, but it's not it's not this like elaborate AI performance of like, I don't know, some ship landing on the White House or whatever they're going to do.

It's not that. Actually, it's it's something else entirely, which has to do with what we were starting about talking about earlier, Satanism and Satanic ritual and demonic possession.

This cult, something I was thinking about earlier is how influential internationally is this cult because there's a whole eastern block that seems to live in a different world to us, China, Russia, Asia, whatever.

Yeah, it's a great question. You know, you can find a segment of the alternative media that are kind of cheering on bricks and saying, hey, bricks is the antidote to the New World Order or Putin's fighting the New World Order, you know, this kind of thinking.

And that is unfortunately wishful thinking. It's it's dangerous thinking because no, this this cult is most definitely worldwide.

We can trace it back to the Rothschilds when they had kind of risen to power in Europe and they'd taken control of a lot of European countries with central banks.

They then set their site on the rest of the world. And so they engineer a series of revolutions in different countries.

So I referenced what happened in Saudi Arabia. Well, it wasn't Saudi Arabia. It was a radio, but they carved up the Middle East according to their liking. They created Israel.

They launched a revolution through the young Turks to break up the Ottoman Empire and then it became the modern country of Turkey.

So one of the rulers that was was a leader of that was Adaterk and Mustafa Kamal was his name and he was a crypto Jew.

He was another basically like a freemasonic illuminati agent, part of these secret societies that were launched by this satanic cult.

So they had agents like Adaterk, they had agents, the Saudi families, the crypto Jews.

So they've had influence in these eastern countries going way back. But if we bring it more up to the modern times, Russia is a good example.

So people say, oh, you know, Russia is upholding Christian values and it's fighting the new world order and put, look at Putin, he's speaking out against woke ideology and transgenderism.

And yes, on one level that is true and yes, Putin has been provoked repeatedly by NATO and the US military.

That's all true, but that's only on one level. On another level, Russia is absolutely behind this agenda 2030 new world order agenda.

They are rolling out biometrics very fast. They are rolling out, they are banning VPNs.

They are banning certain platforms, whether it's things like, you know, WhatsApp or Telegram or whatever or restricting them.

They are pushing forward with CBDCs. They are trialing 15-minute cities.

So all these things that people are worried about, you know, the technocratic future of vaccines.

They had their own vaccine during the COVID scams, they had the Sputnik vaccine.

So when you look at it closely, Russia isn't actually really an antidote to the new world order. They are pushing at the same agendas.

Putin himself is very close to this cult because he was brought up in a family where he lived in an apartment block across from a Jewish family.

And when his parents were out, when he got home from school, there was still work. He was taken in by this Jewish family.

So he's kind of had this Jewish influence from the start. And he's very, there are Hubbard Lubovitch, which is a very important sect, well by Jewish sect.

There are rabbis from Hubbard that are very close to Putin that have his ear.

One of them is called Lazar Barrel. He's called basically, you know, Putin's rabbi. He has Putin's ear.

You can see tons of photos with him talking with Putin. And when I've been listened to interviews of Lazar Barrel talking, he talks about how Russia does nothing without coordinating with Israel.

It's something in the Middle East or geopolitics. There's like a hotline between Tel Aviv and Moscow and Israel makes sure that it has Putin's ear and that it has its interests represented.

There is another interesting connection between Russia and Israel, which is that Israel being a tiny country of only approximately 10 million people has something like 2 million Russians, 2 million people that have immigrated from Russia at some point.

And so they have a lot of these dual citizens basically. So that there's already a very strong connection between Russia and Israel.

And so, you know, the situation is very nuanced. People like to think of it in black and white of like, oh, on the one hand we have, you know, the US and Britain and Israel and maybe some other countries around them.

And they're going to be end up fighting Russia, China, Iran in some World War III scenario. And it's like, yeah, on one level, that's true.

But on a deeper level, it's actually not like that. There's this cult that has got its tentacles into all these different countries in the East and that are part of bricks, especially Russia.

And there's already relationships between Israel and China and Israel and Russia that are going on that are quite strong. So it's not like that.

Another case study is Iran.

People, especially in the last 5-10 years, people looking and going, wow, you know, Iran's become this arch enemy for Israel.

We're headed towards this Israeli-Iranian war. It doesn't seem to mean anything to do to stop this.

Yeah, on one level, that's true. But on another level, Iran, if we look at the history of that, it's been meddled with for a very long time.

So firstly, we had the whole overthrow of Mossadek in 1953, because he wanted to nationalize the oil. They put in the Shah.

And then who were the people that were training the Shah's brutal secret police, the Savak, Israel. Israel was providing a lot of training for that to set up the Savak.

And there were Mothat agents all throughout Iran at that time, as there's still out today.

And so his reign was very brutal, but Israel was a close ally throughout the Shah's reign.

So that takes us up to 1979, and then we had another revolution. This time, the Islamic revolution.

So they put in all the Ayatollahs and the Mullahs. And there are agents, I refer to this in my book as well,

that talk about how half the Mullahs were on the Mossade payroll and the other half were on the USSR payroll.

So there was control and meddling in Iran. It's been going on for a very long time.

And the guy that they installed, Hamunai. Well, I mean originally it was Haminai, but he died and then Hamunai is in power now.

He was trained at a university in Moscow called the Friendship University. That's its kind of colloquial name. It's got a longer name.

But that is basically like a Marxist kind of university that also boasts Muhammad Abbas, the Palestinian Authority leader, as one of its alumni.

So a deeper look into the affairs of Iran shows that there has been incredible cult influence over it.

Now I can't say exactly to what degree the cult controls the current Iranian leadership, but there's clearly huge Mossade infiltration in that country.

I mean, even during the 2025 12-day war between Iran and Israel, it kicked off by an incredible amount of sabotage.

And suddenly there was a surprise attack. Mossade was on the ground. They had their agents everywhere. They were disabling computer systems and missile launches.

And that's what allowed Israel to get that upper hand in that first 12 hours or first few days.

Iran kind of got back on its feet after that and pushed back. And by the end of the 12-day war it looked like it was in a superior position.

But my point is there is incredible infiltration and reach into Iran from the cult. There's incredible infiltration and reach into Russia.

So there's two of the three countries already that are supposedly going to be on the other side of World War II, World War III, that have been infiltrated.

And then that brings us to China. So I can't exactly say what degree of Rothschild infiltration exists in China, but I can't say it.

It's a bit of an enigma, isn't it?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm still researching that. But we can look at the history of China.

We have, of course, the whole communist ideology, which has been very useful to the cult.

And that comes out of the Frankfurt School and going back into the 1800s, the Rothschilds were funding marks and agents like that to even write the communist master manifesto in the first place and then spread this ideology around.

So they got that into Russia and it was, it was a horrific thing, I think, for Russia.

We had the whole Russian revolution, the USSR, from around whatever, 97 into 1991.

Then it's going spread further east and Mao Zedong. Well, Mao was trained at Harvard. So he was in a way a Western agent too.

So he came to power. He was incredibly brutal. I mean, if we look at all the dictators around the world, I mean, look at what Mao did to his people,

killed millions of people. There was the cultural revolution there in China where if you had even something like a violin or something that was, you know, supposedly Western or capitalistic, you could be like imprisoned or killed just for owning something like that.

I mean, it was brutal. And then there's the whole great leap forward that caused the famine when millions perished.

So we've had horrific things that came out of that. Then we have the Rockefeller is going over there in the 1970s.

The famous meetings with Nixon and all of that deliberately opening up China and then using China is basically the world's factory, the world's manufacturing center.

So, you know, when I look at Rothschild Rockefeller influence in China, it's there. I mean, I don't know to what degree right now, it still controls it and what, how China is going to expand.

Yeah, me China does seem a lot more sovereign now.

Yeah, but then we also have another perspective on this, which is that basically China is a technology. It is already pretty far advanced with its control over its citizenry.

I mean, I've seen pictures of China videos where they display on big billboards someone who supposedly broke in the rules.

You know, someone might have just j-walked or done something like that. They show a big picture of their face and then they try to publicly shame them.

And they already have this system, even if it's not fully developed, it's partially developed where you can't buy a train ticket if you've done something wrong.

Like you've spoken about it against the government or you've got too many infractions or offenses on your legal record.

This is the system they want going forward for the entire world, this technocratic surveillance system. So China's like their model.

So it just, from this perspective, it doesn't make any sense to talk about bricks or Russia-China Iran as like a legitimate opposition to a new world order when we already have all of these influences and this infiltration of those countries.

Now, does the cult care at all Machia about my continent, Africa?

I think they want to bring every single continent and every single country under their control, so that is a sad as that is.

And Africa doesn't crop up as much in my research, but I have in the room to believe Africa is any different.

That, you know, it's unfortunately, this is really a psychopathic, satanic cult that wants to control everything.

And so, I mean, I say that facetiously, but there is, and I often say this also, but there is a sense of freedom that we have in our chaotic system that we have here.

And in a way, long way that continue.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know what's going to end up happening with Africa. I mean, I do know if you look at the colonization through Cecil Rhodes, I mean, he was a Rothschild agent and everything he did to steal the diamonds and set up his whole empire there.

And then his will, in his will, we have this whole roundtable system that was administered by Lord Milner.

And it was all based on white supremacy, British supremacy, Rothschild was one of the five key members of that initial roundtable.

And then they had circles within circles, which is the secret society structure. I mean, all of this involves South Africa.

And I will challenge anybody to go and have a look at who owns our minds.

What is the moral of the story?

For me, although the information I might present might have a depressing effect on people or people might feel despondent or overwhelmed or like, how are we ever going to stop this thing?

That's not the message I want to be putting out. What I want to say is that it's better to know the not to know.

And truth is better than ignorance. So at least now we have the information, some of it. There's always more to know.

We can at least now begin to put the pieces of the puzzle together that there has been this satanic cult that's been around a very long time.

And this is its machinations. This is how it's steadily infiltrated and taken over the world and got to this point.

Now what are we going to do about it? Well, we can start to share this information and to educate ourselves and to push back and stand in our sovereignty in every way we can.

I wouldn't be doing this work if I didn't feel like there was hope of humanity that we can regain our freedom and sovereignty and not become slaves to this cult.

Makia, how can I follow your work or get more of your books?

So the best place is the freedomarticles.com. That's where I published my ongoing videos.

I'm also on several platforms such as Rumble, Bitshoot, Odyssey, Brideon and Substack. Right now I'm selling my ebook and audiobook of my most recent book, The Cult of the Chosen One directly through my website so that I can bypass the banning that was happening.

But you can obtain print copies I'll swear at the moment. And some of my other books are on Amazon.

Makia Freeman, thank you for joining me in the trenches. Thanks for having me on.

Thank you very much.