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and I'm talking to my wonderful friend Claire Loveis today about Trump's threat to Iran.

He said a whole civilization will no longer exist and I'm trying to understand here.

You even have some of the emissaries Claire around the country saying get a grip and they're

talking about getting young people as human shields to protect certain parts of Iran.

Explain this to us.

Fill us in.

Yeah.

Thank you.

Well, great to be with you BQ and what a day.

We are all waiting in anticipation of President Trump's deadline tonight, 8 p.m.

Eastern U.S. time for the Iranian regime or whatever's left of it to accept the conditions

that begin, of course, with opening the straight-of-formos completely.

But there is also a much longer list of conditions that the United States has presented to Iran.

The language in President Trump's truth social post I think was deliberately geared to be

a little bit over the top shocking shocking shocking.

But that is I think psychological warfare, if you will, to discombobulate the regime,

to get them off balance, to wonder if he is going to do a carry-through with the threats

against infrastructure, bridges, power plants and so forth, to present himself as maybe

a little bit like not stable and who knows what he could do.

I think that's deliberate.

I also don't believe that Americans or Israelis would ever bomb bridges or power plants that

were surrounded by, covered by Iranian women and children who, by the way, very most likely

are the family members of IRGC, Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps members who are out there

not necessarily because they want to be, but because their husband's father's brother's

sons ordered them to be.

But again, I don't think, I don't see the U.S. Air Force or the Israeli Air Force bombing

bridges full of Iranian women and children, whomever they may be, that's not going to

happen.

There could be, I think, the possibility of some kind of deception going on here to put

off the Iranians from understanding where the main attack tonight will take place, and

I do think tonight because they're not going to accept the conditions the U.S. has laid

out.

Let me tell everyone about my friend Claire Lopez because she is the founder and president

of Lopez Liberty.

It's an LLC, but she's a strategic policy and intelligent expert, a lot of focus on

the Middle East, national defense.

She has been an expert, one of the people I go to about counterterrorism issues and her

specific areas of expertise include Islam and Iran.

You really know this stuff.

So what is it that we're not understanding?

I think what has shocked so many people, in fact, I was reading an article in Al Jazeera

talking about military action, is that an effective means to pursue non-proliferation.

It sounds like it's going the opposite direction.

And if the president does not proceed at 8 p.m. and he backs off because there are human

shields, there are little children and women, how are the Gulf states reacting to this

on the Hormuz region?

Play it out for us.

Play it out for us.

Well, the first thing, as I've said, I don't believe that the U.S. Air Force or the Israeli

Air Force is going to drop bombs tonight on bridges, you know, surrounded by Iranian women

and children, whether they're there voluntarily or not.

I think perhaps that what is going on is some kind of diversionary deception intended

to shock, to alarm, whatever's left of the Iranian regime, yes, but also to deceive them

about where the actual strikes may take place later on tonight.

We've seen today that there have been attacks on Card Island.

Of course, this is the big oil export hub for the Iranian regime, situated a small island

8 by, I don't know, 10 miles or something, situated at the kind of the top of the Persian

Gulf, offshore from the mainland of Iran.

But those attacks today, taking place there, let's not forget, too, that there are two

Marine Expeditionary Units, USS Boxer and the USS Tripoli in the region, don't know

exactly where they are, Gulf of Oman, Arabian Gulf, perhaps, but they carry with them thousands

of Marines, plus helicopters, vertical takeoff, osprey aircraft, and plenty of firepower.

There's nothing around here, basically, Claire.

And the question that a lot of people have is ultimately why this type of force, because

even if the president may be using bluster here, words have power.

And if, let's say he chooses not to go so far, then what does this say that the Iranians,

whether they have sleeper cells, or planning some other kind of mischief towards us in

another direction, will not respond in some way.

We certainly can't be naive enough to think that they're not going to have some sort of

plan that they've been putting in place as well.

The president is not going to back off of this deadline.

You already had extended it by a full 24 hours, it was to have been, we'll recall, last night,

the deadline, that is April the 6th, Monday, April the 6th.

Now we're on Tuesday the 7th.

Already, as I said, put off by 24 hours, he's not going to extend that anymore.

And as far as the regime in Iran goes, whatever's left of it, there's not much.

They have to expect that there will be action tonight.

Not the bridges covered with women and children, no.

But I am looking more towards the Gulf of Oman, the Arabian Gulf, right there around the

opening of the Strait of Hormuz, on up into the Persian Gulf, Karg island.

I think that those are the places where these attacks may come.

I think they will come.

That straight will be opened one way or another, as far as the regional partners, allies,

friends of the United States.

Are they reacting to this?

They are absolutely on our side, our side, meaning Israel and the U.S.

And especially the reason, of course, that Iran lashed out in every direction, bombing

them, the United Arab Emirates, even Oman, you know, gotter of all places.

Does it be important?

Wait, I'll hit.

Let me, let me stop for a second on this.

Do you believe that this is chaotic?

Is it, is it strategic?

Because as you say, they've been bombing Oman and other areas, Iran.

What is the purpose then to basically alienate those people?

Why are they doing that?

Iranians, perhaps, the regime leadership, it's IRGC is who runs Iran these days, the

post it on.

What they perhaps might have been thinking is that by attacking all of these Gulf area

states, including Saudi Arabia and all the others, that those states, Gulf Cooperation

Council and the rest, all of them, would turn to, against, turn to, turn against the

United States and Israel and say, back off, back off, look what they're doing to us.

But instead, what those attacks by the Iranian regime against them did was unify them in

opposition to Iran in a way that maybe that regime hadn't expected.

Let me ask you about Africa.

Can Africa tackle the oil shock from this Iranian war?

Well, they're in a tough spot, African countries depend not just on oil imported into their

countries, but also food, grain, let's say, that the shipment of these things all, you

know, drastically, you know, having been impacted by the cutoff of, you know, oil and natural

gas, but flowing out of, out of the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz.

So, no, they do not have oil resources primarily, mostly, but they depend on imports to a great

extent, and that's tough for them.

Now, does Russia play into this equation?

Well, from reporting we've seen, Russia has, as well as China, by the way, have both been

providing intelligence to Iran, satellite imagery, targeting information, intelligence,

targeting information against American military facilities, bases in the region.

And, you know, they additionally, China had been probably still is trying to provide material

to Iran to help with its ballistic missile program, precursor chemicals like what, ammonium

per chlorate and so forth, to help with the Iranian's ability taken out and large measure

by these air strikes, U.S. and Israel, but to help them to be able to restart production,

you know, of fuel, solid propellant rocket fuel, missile fuel for their ballistic missiles,

and again, both Russia and China providing intelligence targeting.

So, when they're doing this, I mean, you used to work with the CIA, so, you know, sometimes

the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Russia and China are they in a cooperative measure in this relationship with Iran during

this time?

Oh, sure.

They have been for a long time and continue to be, but their ability, their ability to provide

meaningful support to Iran at this point in time is pretty well curtailed.

And so, it's been really, you know, cut back.

We're not seeing a whole lot.

On the other hand, what we are seeing is President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine reaching

out to Gulf cooperation states, he recently took a trip to, well, Jordan also, but Saudi

Arabia, he was in the Emirates, and maybe I've missed a couple others, to offer Ukraine's

expertise in counter drone technology, which they've developed incredibly over the course

unfortunately of this last year's war against the Russian invasion.

So now, Ukraine is offering help and assistance with counter drone technology for these Middle

Eastern states.

And again, people are saying they don't quite understand the rationale for this deadline,

this timing, this tonight at 8 p.m., you know, this incredible deadline.

Why now?

Well, because we've had about enough, because President Trump and his administration have

made every effort to offer negotiations a diplomatic solution to everything that's going

on, and they've done this for how many weeks now, tried and tried through intermediaries

like Pakistan, to no avail.

The Iranian regime has remained recalcitrant, obduret, and finally, the patience is running

out, so the deadline's tonight, and that's it.

Israel has obliterated eight more bridges.

This is what I was reading before.

I came on with you, and I wanted to get your insight in that.

Israel is being extremely aggressive.

Is Israel the country itself united in this, or is there a division in this, and why

this approach?

You know, I have never seen a partnership like the one we have now between Israel and

the United States, between Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and our President,

Donald Trump, the coordination, the cooperation, the close working relationship between our

air forces, our pilots, flying side-by-side, communicating to each other in flight in English,

talking about strategy and targeting and targeting sites.

There's never been anything like it.

The cooperation is as close as we've ever had with an ally, Israel a remarkable friend

and an ally for us, as for targeting infrastructure inside of Iran.

What I will say is that there aren't parallel infrastructures, plural, in Iran for the military

and for the civilian sector.

They're one and the same.

And when a piece of infrastructure, let's take a bridge, is both for civilian use and

military, then it becomes a legitimate target in a military strike operation, although

not when it's covered again, not going to be hit when it's covered with women and children.

We're talking with my very good friend, Claire Lopez, founder and president of Lopez Liberty.

And a lot of people are calling this Russian roulette of security of the region.

With the gun cock to the brain in the region and with the bullet take off, I don't know.

We're going to take a little break.

And during this, let me just tell you folks, we've got a great show today on the national

security hour.

Claire Lopez is joining us and also later on the program, we're going to be talking to

Art Harmon about what's going on in space, as we say, fly me to the moon, but we're saying

fly me to the dark side of the moon and what we're going to encounter.

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I'm one key to column your host and I'm telling you folks, the president has made it clear.

He's given a deadline to the Iranians of this whole civilization.

Well, no longer exists unless they follow his plan.

We're going to discuss that with my guest, Claire Lopez, who is the founder and president

of Lopez Liberty.

She's really brilliant.

I say that even with her listening to me, I talk about her this way in front of her face

and behind her back.

She's a strategic policy and intelligence expert.

She knows so much about the Middle East and in part of her career, she actually spent

as a person that was employed by the CIA, that three-letter agency.

And boy, she knows a lot about what's going on.

She's a private consultant.

I know you advise a lot of people.

I'm trying to figure out here, Claire, like if we're behind the scenes here, a lot of this

speculation about this threat tonight, this deadline that the president has imposed

and actually, but the time this show airs, we're getting very close to it.

And the fact of the matter is, the people are saying, why now does he want World War

3 to start?

Is this insanity?

Is it brilliance?

Is this the art of the deal?

Is this the art of chaos?

Give me your insight.

Well, to your first part there, why now?

The why now, I think goes back to intelligence that was coming in over at least the last

year of 2025.

I myself attended a number of open press briefings by the Iranian opposition, the National

Council of Resistance of Iran.

Their information in the open source, Serena was coming from reporting out of the IAEA International

Atomic Energy Agency, as well as David Albright, so-called the good ISIS, and that stands

for Institute for Science and International Security.

All of that reporting, as of last year and into the beginning of this year now, 2026,

going to the drive by the Serenian regime to continue its nuclear weapons program and

ballistic missiles program.

And specifically, I think what really triggered the decision we've got to go now, why now,

is because according to that reporting, which you can find at my Newsmax blog site, I wrote

several articles about it, or the NCRI's own website as well, what drove that decision,

I think, is the information that the Iranians were working on adapting and meeting warheads

to the nose combs of their ballistic missiles.

This is what they were doing last year already, developing the final steps for

a nuclear warhead, including things like the exploding bridge wire nuclear detonators,

the use of adaptation of tritium and deuterium isotopes that would boost the fissile yield

of a nuclear warhead.

This is what they were working on.

Take that in addition to the large amount of highly enriched Serenium, we're told up

to 60 percent.

I personally think it's probably more, but in the range of over 400 and what, 60 kilograms,

or so of that highly enriched Serenium, take it all of that together, I think that is

what really made the urgency of this decision by Israel and the United States.

Now secondly, why is the Iranian regime up against credible threat?

After strikes back in June of 2025, even earlier in what April and what October of 2024

by Israel and the United States, credibility, obviously there, why did the regime keep

going?

Why were they driving continually to cover all nuclear weapons capability?

Why?

And I'll tell you in a minute, why?

And as you're getting into that, because supposedly the president eliminated all the leadership.

No, absolutely not.

That's what I'm trying to get to.

Of course not.

Of course not.

So consequently, that's a very important element, because people are under the impression

that there is no structure from what I'm gathering from you, that there still is structure,

that there is still some semblance of a leadership.

There is a leftover remnant of the Iranian regime.

It is headed and by the IRGC.

We've got the parliamentary speaker, Mahmoud Baghr, Kali Baghr.

We've got the new Secretary of the Supreme National Security Council, Mohammed Baghr,

Zoldaather.

I'm looking at my notes here.

We've got the IRGC's commander.

Those guys are the...

You can give me their names, but what I want to know is, is there capability and strength?

Yes.

Yes.

As they were before?

Not as lethal as before.

No, not as lethal as before, but the intelligence that comes through is that even after the

strikes of last year, Operation Rising Lion, and what was ours, Midnight Hammer, that

the Iranians may have dispersed.

It's highly enriched uranium among different sites, Natans, Isfahan, Fardo, maybe, and a place

called Pickaxe Mountain, deeply buried, all of that, but it remained, and so the threat

was still there.

Why didn't we make an attempt to get rid of it before?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

That it was so deep that they couldn't get to all of it.

Right.

And as far as I know, Pickaxe Mountain had not yet been struck, but Natans, Isfahan and

Fardo had been, and what is needed are, you know, the bunker buster bombs that the United

States only has, the GPU 57s, and what would be needed would be a repetitive strike,

the first strike down a certain distance, and then another one down the same hole to get

to the bottom.

All right.

Let me try.

I want to stop you for a minute, because as we're a bit limited on time, going back to

the idea that the president has given this deadline, and they've said, go ahead, we're

going to put women and children there.

Go ahead and kill women and children.

And so, of course, they're hoping that if some horrible action is happens at this deadline,

the reverse kickback, if it's not going to happen, I mean, they have to, they have to

know that something else, I mean, clearly, they have to know something else will happen.

And what do you expect?

Well, what I expect is what I mentioned earlier, and that would be Carg Island.

It would be the two Marine Expeditionary Units deployed to open the Strait of Hormuz.

Maybe some other sites as well of infrastructure that still somehow keeps the regime connected

in some measure, you know, holding on.

But what I wanted to get to before our time runs out here is why they keep going.

And the reason that nobody, I've heard in the administration even ever talks about,

that is their ideology.

These are true believers.

These are the most faithful and devout of all Muslims on earth.

They are Shiite 12ers, 12ers, the followers of the 12 Imam whom they believe to be the

Mahdi, the Messianic figure of Islam will come back at the end of time to break the

cross, kill the pig, Christians, Jews, and usher in the day of judgment in the end times.

And they believe these 12ers, the ones that I'm naming to you in charge now, the remnant

that's still holding on, they believe if they create Armageddon on earth, literally Armageddon,

that the Mahdi will then be accelerated.

So in that prophecy, which you and I have discussed before, this is that time they're

looking at.

They're basically playing chicken, a game of chicken.

You think you're tough?

Go for it.

We're talking.

Yeah.

They're playing this game because they believe that if the worst happens, they're doing

in their own.

They're headed for immortality.

Right.

Well, they're headed for immortality and paradise.

All right.

But then you have a whole other part of the country that doesn't necessarily agree with

that.

You know that.

Yes.

The people in the country that want to take it back to the 1960s.

Yeah.

So how big is the force of support versus the force of the protest in that country against

that ideology?

Well, we'll remember that both BB, Prime Minister of Israel and President Trump have

both told the Iranian people, stay inside.

Do not come out just yet.

But at the same time, again, we've talked about this around the periphery geographically

of Iran, are these ethnic groups, Baluchis, Azeris, and Turkmen in the north, Kurds in the

northwest, Ahua's Arabs in the southern western part of Iran.

They have got weapons.

The Mujahideen-e-Kalk resistance forces.

They are armed.

They have been in armed revolt against the people in the north, mentioning all these

names.

I'm going to try to bring it in as we just have a few minutes.

What I'm trying to get an image so the audience can hear it and understand it.

Are they going to be supportive of the protest and fight to save their country or support

those that say we're playing the game?

You want to go there?

No.

The people.

There are something about 90 million people, population of Iran.

The vast majority of them, first of all, they're no longer devout practicing Muslims.

They have had it up to here with religion, period.

But all these minority ethnic groups, they are armed.

And furthermore, being on the periphery, they have got the means to bring weapons in across

the border and they've been doing that.

And maybe even according to what President Trump has said, we've been helping with that

provision of weapons.

And so once the people get the go ahead, they are completely ready to take down this regime.

They need help.

They need weapons.

They need outside support.

That seems to be coming together now.

And we are getting close to that deadline tonight.

We're very close to it right now.

What do you expect will happen before tomorrow morning if we go with that?

What do you play it out for?

We have lights.

I think here.

I think that President Trump will keep to the deadline.

I think that he will unleash attacks closely coordinated with the Israelis.

And that together, those attacks will, number one, open the straight-of-formos.

And number two, attack not bridges covered with women and children or power plants surrounded

by civilian human shields, no.

But other targets intended to finish debilitating, degrading, whatever is left of this Iranian

regime.

Trump has said by midnight tonight that is U.S. eastern time that all of this will take

place.

What do you expect to see from people like the son of the Shah?

Is he sitting down as a person that expects to go back?

It appears that a majority of the population is kind of iffy about him returning to war.

Well, we're talking here about, of course, Sarraza Pahlevi, the son of the former Shah

hosted in 1979.

He, along with his family, left Iran in late 1978, not been back to Iran since, has no

network of presence on the ground inside of Iran, but has been supported by some in the

diaspora here in the United States, Europe and elsewhere, supported as a unifying figure

perhaps.

What his actual intentions are about going back to Iran, not really sure.

But again, there's no network for him there.

There's no presence on the ground.

He hasn't been there in 47 years.

You know, Claire, I'm going to bring on our next guest with us because I know you know

Art Harmon and he's a wonderful guy.

He's going to be coming on full bore after this to talk about what's happening in space.

And he is the president of the coalition, the Sabant Space Exploration.

Art can, the folks up in the space, our wonderful team up there, can they observe what's

happening in the world below?

Well, now we're not getting any sound from Art.

And I will wait to get that answer because for some reason, Art is on the QT with us.

And when we go to the break, we'll get more information on that.

But Claire, I'm, on the reason I'm curious about that, if there is any kind of explosion

that happens, you know, how powerful would that be?

And you know, the countries nearby, I'm sure the countries that are close to Iran are

also quite nervous about all of this.

What have you heard about their reaction to this deadline?

Well, again, as I said earlier, these countries we're talking about Saudi Arabia.

We're talking about the Emirates Kuwait Bahrain, maybe even Oman II, Qatar.

They are on board with taking down this regime.

Now they may not be saying that all very publicly, but they are saying it behind the scenes.

They were attacked by Iran.

They didn't expect that, but that has unified them in opposition to the Iranian regime.

And they are on board with the ousting of whatever's left of this regime.

Claire, with the potential and hopefully the ousting of this regime, do we have a clue

of how a new government, regardless of the status of the son of the Shahraza Pallavi,

how this new government will be formed and what format it would take?

Will there be a parliament, a presidency, a king?

What do you expect?

Well, I do know that the NCRI, again, National Council of Resistance of Iran,

and its leadership in particular, President-Elect Mariam Rajavi,

had ordered outside of Paris in France, have set out a plan, a detailed plan.

First of all, the 10-point plan published in 2006 that lays out the principles

by which a future government of Iran could be governed.

And they begin with a secular, democratic, non-nuclear republic.

They include gender equality, universal suffrage, an independent judiciary freedom of assembly

in the press and speech, everything that you would see in our own bill of rights.

And then there is a six-month plan for a transition, which would include the writing of a new

constitution and the election, free and fair universal suffrage.

And we'll follow up with that.

Can't wait to see what's next.

Blair Lopez, thank you, my wonderful friend, founder and president of Lopez Liberty,

to be determined.

We'll see what happens later tonight.

And you and I will stick around because now we're going to get our good friend Art Harman

on.

He's going to tell us what's going on in space.

And thanks again to Claire Lopez.

Stay with us.

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Oh, I can't wait to get the segment started because I'm telling you, we've been following

the space issue for a long time with my good pal, Art Harmon, who is the president of

the coalition to save man space and give us the latest on the mission status with this

Artemis II.

I mean, they are such great guys, but they have gone to the side of the moon that you and

I talked about.

I guess what, two years ago, the dark side of the moon, tell us everything.

Well, my gosh, this is such an exciting moment in the human history, really.

This is only the first time since 1972 that any human has seen the back side of the

moon or even gone towards the moon.

So of course, in the 60s and 70s, we had several missions that landed on the moon.

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And while on the other side of the moon, as they celebrated Christmas Eve, the astronauts,

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But was it Philip Glover that made the great dedication to his late wife?

Yes, I believe so, and said, emotional about it.

Yeah, oh gosh, that was a wonderful, wonderfully tragic and tearful for him, but a great moment

to be rewarded with a crater in his wife's name.

So our astronauts took off on April 1st.

There was a picture, perfect launch, and I was there as close as any human is safely

allowed to be.

Well, I know that because I called you.

You did, yes.

I called you because I knew you were going to be there.

Well, I'm laughing because you and I have talked about this about how long ago it was,

but the photos this time aren't.

They were taken not only from the dark side of the moon, but on their cell phones.

Well, you know, that's iconic of the day and age we're in.

They had film cameras in the Apollo era and now they've got really powerful digital cameras,

but yes, they got their iPhones.

And perhaps in 10 years, 15 years at the most, there'll be millions of people able to

visit the moon, people like you and I for the price, maybe you have a luxury cruise.

And of course, we'll have our phone with us too or whatever we have then.

You talked about in the past, some of the important reasons that the Chinese wanted to

see the dark side.

And you said it was one that potentially there was water and two, to be able to create

a location where they could plant satellites that would see what was going on all around

the world.

What have we found out from this?

The biggest threat is very real.

They've tested almost all of the elements of their moon rocket and they intend to beat

us back to the moon.

We will be landing in early 2028 if all goes well and again, later in 2028.

So as long as we've got President Trump in office during 28, he's not going to succumb

to any Chinese threats to claim the moon as theirs.

What about the water issue?

Because you said that was important to find out if there was ice or water on the dark

side of the moon, inser ice and water on the dark side of the moon.

So actually on the South Pole where there's craters that the sun never shines to the

bottom of that for billions of years, you've had comets that have water in them crashing

into that.

And that is why we're going to be landing on the South Pole of the moon to explore

those craters because if you've got water, you've got water to drink, you've got hydrogen

oxygen for rocket fuel and you've got oxygen to breathe.

So humanity will be able to live a lot easier on the moon in coming decades and centuries.

So they're looking to try to be able to make that happen.

Is that in your brain within that timeframe of 2028 or 2030?

Is that when they're trying to think about potentially establishing a, what would you

call it, a space station there?

Yes, net NASA is committed to building a base on the moon.

And that will be some sort of public private partnership.

I'm sure SpaceX and others will be involved.

And yes, there will be eventually space tourism, I think within a decade, maybe less.

And the opportunities will of resources on the moon, helium three, which is one thing

that Chinese are particularly interested in is, is a useful as an element for fusion.

And they're working furiously as are we on fusion for electricity generation.

So that's how close are they on fusion, how close are they on the whole thing and fusion

and, and, and their own, you know, space advancements?

Well, they're very close to us on space.

They basically steal everything that we do and copy it.

Their moon rocket looks like SpaceX rockets do.

And so, so the, the threat is real, how close are we on fusion?

You know, it's always been stated, and we're always 10 years away from having practical

fusion.

But this time we're really advancing to the point in which, in less than 10 years,

I think there will be practical fusion reactors that can provide cheap, safe energy for the

world.

You know, it's kind of hard to believe that maybe within the next 50 years, people will

look back on these times as so archaic and it's going to be like no big deal to get

to the moon.

And then what's the next plan, plan to go to Mars, to go to Saturn, you know, the, the

Anglo-Angry Red Planet?

What's your, what's your buzz on that one?

Because you hear everything before anybody else, I know.

You got your insider information.

Well, thanks, Plankheda, and you're, you're beyond my levels on so many things.

But yes, Mars will be the very next thing, and Elon Musk made it very clear that he wants

to have a base and, and really a colony, if you will, on Mars.

And the moon is the perfect place if you're going to go to Mars to learn how to live on

another world because the, it takes six to nine months to get to Mars.

You can only return every 26 months, you can't just return if there's a problem like you

can on the moon.

Right.

So, is that, why is that?

Well, you're going a very long distance away, of course, and, and, you know, many, you

know, millions of miles.

So, but the, the way that the orbits work, if you're going to go from here to the moon,

to Mars, you can only do it every 26 months and the same coming back.

Now, they're working on what they call nuclear electric propulsion, which can advance that

eventually to a few months, and that will allow wider, you know, windows whereby you

can go to the moon and, to Mars and return within, you know, maybe a year or maybe every

six months.

So, that.

On the moon, for example, this is something I've wondered in, you know, maybe so silly to

you, but do they have climate issues, I mean, do they have wind storms, do they have

rainstorms, do they have what would be comparable to a blizzard, do they have, you know, clearly

they don't have oceans, so, maybe there is an ocean on the moon.

Maybe there's, what do we know, what don't we know about all of that?

Are there, well, yes, I'll, here, here, I'm going to give you the moon and Mars, too,

because they're both similar in many ways and different in many ways.

So the moon is utterly airless, there's no atmosphere to speak of.

The extremes of temperature, because there's no atmosphere to kind of balance it out between

day and night, and so, you know, the moon basically has a two week day and a two week night

when you're on it.

So it gets, you know, 250 degrees or so Fahrenheit in the day and about the same minus at night.

So extremes of temperature, there is radiation, there's absolutely nothing to stop the radiation,

there's absolutely nothing to stop, micro meteorites and so forth.

So settlers on the moon, people who live there even for a few months on a base, they're

not going to be in a, you know, a bubble dome like we see in the movies.

No, they're going to bury their habitats under six feet of dirt.

Wow.

And that'll give thermal insulation.

It'll protect against radiation and it'll protect against micro meteorites.

So that, I mean, they got to be pretty tough because that went for people that suffer

from claustrophobia, and you think, well, oh, no, you know, I could handle it, but think

about it.

You couldn't come out for anything because it would be impossible.

So you'd have to be pretty tested.

Are they doing any kind of testing with the astronauts now to see how they could put up?

This is something like out of the old 1960s twilight zone.

Well, it is in so many ways.

And you know, the claustrophobia of wearing a space suit, a friend of mine, Jim class,

with Forbes, he flew in the U2 spy plane.

You have to wear a space suit on that and a good proportion of the ace pilots who have

had tons of experience flying other planes when they fly that one with a space suit.

Some of them wash out because they can't stand the claustrophobia of having a suit.

So you think about it, they can't go over, do simple things like go to the bathroom and brush

your teeth.

You know, you're kind of, it's limits your ability to kind of maneuver.

When you're out on a spacewalk, just like the astronauts do on the space station, it's

kind of like an all day affair, and yeah, you're totally isolated in that.

And then you, you know, obviously you can come in from your moon base or the space station

and, and live a relatively normal life, they'll be kind of like living in a submarine.

What, was there be atmosphere, at least any potential atmosphere in any of the other

planets, Mars could have become compatible to live above the ground in any facility that

might be made compatible?

Well, Mars is a little better than the moon because it has a little bit of atmosphere.

You can't take off your space suit as one hundredth the, the, the, the, the, the air pressure

on earth.

So you can't breathe it.

And it's this carbon dioxide, there's no oxygen.

So, so that offers a little bit of protection against radiation, a little bit of protection

against micrometeorite, but still you're going to be living just like you would on the

moon in a buried habitat, and with infrequent excursions and less your job is to be outside

doing construction.

So I imagine the view from space of the earth, and this is something before we got cut

off, you had a little issue with your sound from, from the astronauts looking down on

the earth, and I think, gosh, you know, here we got this big deadline tonight of the

President with Iran.

How much visibility, how is it for them looking like a globe, or do they have a better view

of the earth than we really think about it?

I mean, is it less or more?

Well, you know, when the astronauts are out there as they are today on the moon, their

view of the earth versus actually fairly small, think of sort of holding a, you know, a basketball

or even a smaller at arm's length or across the room, the earth is pretty small.

But as they orbit around it, they've seen, they saw the earth set, just like the famous

earth rise photo from Apollo 8.

So they got some beautiful pictures.

You go to NASA and you can also go to my website, savemanspace.com and the same save

manned space on X and Facebook and I'll be posting some photos of that too.

So they get a very unique view.

They can see the entire earth in one glance, which the folks on the space station, they're

only a couple hundred miles up so that they can only see part of the earth.

You talked about a couple of years ago, we discussed about China wanting to be able to

have the kind of satellites that they could have that would have the range of capability

to determine what was going on in places like the United States from the moon.

Is that still a legitimate concern?

You know, the Chinese space program is run by their military.

It's a military space program.

Their astronauts are often pictured in their military uniforms.

I saw plans by China to build a massive radar array on the moon with 100 mile antennas

that could then map every military asset in the world in one revolution of the earth,

every 24 hours.

That kind of stuff is scary.

Yeah, but I'm wondering if they still stuff from us, that's something that we want to

steal from them to have the same capability?

Well, they probably stole that technology from us so we can steal it back and use it against

them or at least use it to help defend earth a little, although we probably got better

coverage with spy satellites than they do.

But yeah, it is a cat mouse game perpetually.

Well, I got to tell you the one thing I'm hoping to see is the return of looking at astronauts

as heroes, personal heroes, little kids as we were growing up, you say, well, you want

to be when you grow up.

You say, well, you want to be an astronaut.

And I'm hoping that this will be a reinvigoration of the space program and seeing young men and

women try to become more interested in trying to go and get to the final frontier there,

which is space, your thoughts.

Well, you're so correct.

The future of space must be open to everyone.

U.S. presence will keep it that way.

China, their intent is evil.

It is dominance, just like in the South China Sea, and then they've stated this.

So our best thing, go to the moon, stay on the moon.

And that will keep it open for a U.S. national presence on the moon.

We'll keep it safe for commercial and others.

Art Harmon is always my wonderful friend.

Thank you so much for joining us here on the National Security Hour on Blankete.com.

Don't forget to go to art site, savemanspace.com.

Do I have that right?

Yes, indeed.

And the same saveman space on X and on Facebook.

That's wonderful.

That's wonderful.

Thank you all.

And we will talk again next week.

Be safe.

And look up to the stars.

You might see some great action.

I'm lucky to come.