The Dark Spiritual Contagion of Anti-Israel, Anti-Jewish Enmity Part 2

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So today's program is part two of the dark spiritual contagion of anti-Israel anti-Jewish

enmity with guest Chris Katalka from Friends of Israel Ministry.

Now if you missed part one from last week, I encourage you to go here at our website,

or but in that program, we discussed the division that is occurring amongst conservatives

and Christians over Israel and the Jewish people.

A lot has changed since October 7th, 2023, when the Islamic group Hamas based in Gaza

crossed the border into Israel and executed a barbaric attack killing about 1200 Israelis,

including dozens of Americans, and kidnapping and torturing hundreds more.

So one might think Israel's military response in Gaza to dismantle Hamas after that attack

would be widely supported.

But the opposite occurred, demonstrations all over the world and alarmingly on American

college campuses as well against Israel and in favor of Hamas and Palestine took place.

This was ostensibly because of the quote disproportionate response by Israel and the destruction

of vast urban areas in Gaza and the loss of thousands of lives.

But the reality is how to defeat your enemy when they entwine themselves and fight among

civilians in densely populated urban areas like Gaza.

There will be widespread human suffering in a situation like this, but that is actually

the goal of Hamas to elicit sympathy and get world opinion on their side and against Israel.

They don't care about their own civilian suffering as long as it helps them and their objective

to destroy Israel.

So after this war in Gaza started, other fronts opened up with Israel against Islamic

Hezbollah to the north of them in Lebanon and with the Islamic Houthis to the east in Yemen.

And then war with the head of the snake who funds and facilitates it all Iran, even US

bombs to quote obliterate Iran's nuclear weapons program last year in 2025, apparently

weren't enough to dissuade Iran from their goal of death to America and death to Israel.

So they were starting to rebuild already.

So now America and Israel are in a joint war against Iran's been going on for about three

weeks now, trying to degrade Iran's ability to attack the US, Israel and our allies in

Europe.

And it seems like the war is accomplishing these objectives, but whether a new regime

will arise in Iran that the US and Israel can work with or whether something could go very

wrong in this war, this is all unknown at this point.

No one knows what's going to become of this.

In fact, even figuring out the truth about what is going on is very difficult.

President Trump and his administration say the US is dominating, but then you read alternative

sources that say the US is doomed for failure in this.

I would just encourage you to read different sources, keep an open mind and be preparing

your own mind in life for whatever happens and also be in prayer over this.

Now one major fault line that has become very evident since Hamas attacked Israel on

October 7, 2023 and has even become more apparent today during this war with Iran is the

very strong burning resentment against Israel and the Jews.

While the left is almost entirely anti Israel, what has been surprising is that many prominent

people on the right like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Marjorie Taylor

Green, former Congressperson, Megan Kelly, and many, many more have come out loudly against

Israel, that Israel controls the US government.

Here's Kerry Prajan, a former Trump supporter, saying this recently, I've been a loyal supporter

of the president for almost 20 years.

This goes back to when I was 21 years old and I was Miss California at the Miss USA pageant

and I've known him.

I consider him a dear friend and I will tell you right now, I do not recognize our president.

I think that we are an occupied nation.

I think that a foreign country has occupied our government and we are seeing now that this

president of the United States of America is being influenced by a foreign government and

MAGA, let me tell you right now, MAGA is dead.

It is deader than dead and Americans are furious.

We do not recognize President Donald J. Trump anymore.

Now this is perhaps not surprising though, at least on the political right considering none

of these I've mentioned are born again Christians operating from a biblical worldview, but rather

they are Episcopalian like Tucker Carlson or typically Catholic like Candace Owens or Nick

Fuentes or Kerry Prajohn in that clip or they are just generally on the right politically.

But what is more troubling is the turning against Israel from professing biblical Christians,

those who believe things like justification by grace through faith in Christ and other

key doctrines of Scripture are referring to the Protestant theologically conservative

wing of Christianity.

And you'll see lots of these Christians now on social media and elsewhere, such as

Pastor Joe Webin writing something like this, Israel is not America's greatest ally, Israel

is the world's greatest enemy.

Huh?

If he were the exception, it wouldn't be so alarming, but this kind of sentiment is becoming

more and more prominent from those who are ostensibly theologically conservative.

So why is this issue of Israel and the Jews very important?

And the first reason is this, because turning against Israel, God's chosen people is actually

turning against and opposing God himself.

God made an everlasting covenant with Abraham in Genesis chapter 12, promising land, descendants,

and blessing for the Jewish descendants of Abraham through Isaac, and also blessing

for those who blast Abraham's descendants, Israel and the Jews.

This covenant by God was repeated in Genesis 15 and again in Genesis 17, where it says,

I will make you exceedingly fruitful, God says to Abraham, and I will make nations of

you and kings will come forth from you.

I will establish my covenant between me and you and your descendants after you throughout

their generations for an everlasting covenant, everlasting covenant, to be God to you and

to your descendants after you.

I will give to you and to your descendants after you the land of your sojournings, all the

land of Canaan for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.

That's from Genesis chapter 17.

Now what this doesn't mean is that God would overlook Israel's sin and rebellion, which

has been nearly constant with Israel over its history up until today.

Israel's leadership is God rejecting and humanistic today, but God is a promise keeper and not

a promise breaker.

And all throughout scripture, notably Romans 11, God reaffirms his promise to national

Israel, despite their disobedience, that they will be judged, but many of them will come

to saving faith in the end and that Christ himself will return to reign from their restored

homeland in Jerusalem.

Romans 11 says quoting the Old Testament, the deliverer Christ will come from Zion, Israel

area Jerusalem.

He will remove ungodliness from Jacob, another name for Israel.

This is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

So while an unbelief now and while being enemies of the gospel now in the future, some maybe

one third scripture seems to indicate will be spiritually saved along with their homeland

as well.

So blessing Israel does not mean approving of their sin, their opposition to Christ in

Christians, their ungodly culture, which is just like ours, that supports the LGBTQ movement,

abortion and on and on.

It's very possible actually that Israeli leadership and unbelieving Jews will somehow

help facilitate the anti-Christ world system.

I think that's a possibility, the same system that turns on Israel.

But none of that changes God's promise.

The Bible says he will judge all the rebels in the world, including the Jewish ones.

And yet spiritually save many, as I mentioned, perhaps one third of the Jews in rule from

the Jews homeland in Jerusalem.

Ezekiel 37, 4, God says, I will put my spirit within you and you will come to life and

I will place you on your own land.

Then you will know that I, the Lord, have spoken and done it declares the Lord.

That's a prophecy of the end times and what will happen in the future.

So blessing Israel, what that means is supporting their protection and existence as a people

in their land, helping them in ways that shows God's love to them, praying for them, sharing

the gospel with them.

These are all ways that Israel and the Jews can be supported and blessed.

You know, God says he chose the Jews, not because they were greater or better than anyone

else, but because of his sovereign election in grace, his unmerited favor.

And through the Jews, God gave the law, the prophets, and his own son through all of

which we in the world have been greatly blessed.

So if God re-nigs on his election of Israel, well, then he can re-nig on his election of

believers.

And this is why this issue of Israel is so important.

It's about God keeping his promises, and it's also about the consequences for anyone

who turns on those that God has chosen in loves.

We'll take a short break, and then we'll discuss the second reason why this topic of Israel

and the Jews is important, and then get to the interview with Chris Katalka from Friends

of Israel.

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Our topic today is part two of the dark spiritual contagion of anti-Israel anti-Jewish enmity,

and our guest is Chris Katalka, host of Friends of Israel Today Radio Program.

So in the opening segment today, we discussed why this topic of blessing Israel, rather

than turning against her in the Jews, is important because turning against the people in

nation God shows for his special purposes, through whom he would give his law and eventually

his own son to come to be the Redeemer, would be to oppose God himself and bring judgment

on those who do that.

But there's another reason why this topic of Israel and the Jews is important, and it

is this.

The only remaining support in the world, at least to any degree, for Israel and the Jewish

people comes from two groups, traditional conservatives, who even if they don't see

Israel as God's chosen people in any spiritual sense, see them as a like-minded ally for

America in the Middle East.

So that's one group.

The other group who supports them is a specific wing of biblical Christians, who interpret

the Bible in what's called a literal grammatical, historical way.

In other words, that God made literal promises to Abraham into his ethnic Jewish descendants,

the Jews through Isaac, that will be literally fulfilled in the future.

And I'll explain that more later in the program today, the interpretive method of more of

a dispensational versus covenantal view and how it affects one's understanding of Scripture

and thus understanding of the future significance of Israel.

So if Israel loses these two support groups, those who are traditionally conservative on

the right, or the biblical Christians who see a literal significance for ethnic, national

Israel in the future, it will isolate the nation of Israel even more.

Now while God will always keep them in existence as He has throughout history, unbelieving Israel

will feel under existential threat.

And this is why Israel lobbies our country because they know these two groups and who these

groups vote for impacts their own nation.

And by the way, we hear all the time that Israel is the biggest foreign lobbyists of the

US.

Well, that would be wrong.

According from online, Israel ranks 10th among nations in total reported foreign lobbying

spending in the US from 2016 to 2025, according to data tracked by opensecrets.org via the foreign

agents registration act or fairer, the top 10 countries by total spending in this period

are China, Japan, Saudi Arabia, Liberia, South Korea, Marshall Islands, Bahamas, Qatar,

United Arab Emirates, and then at number 10 is Israel.

Now somehow Israel occupies America.

Now scripture says the world will turn against Israel.

And there's not many left in the world who support Israel.

Even many Jews don't support Israel as Jamar kell of olive tree ministries wrote this

week in an article.

That's how deceived they are.

And notably, the Bible says no other country comes to save Israel in the Gog and May Gog

invasion in the early part of the tribulation period where God supernaturally defeats the

coalition that comes against Israel that includes Iran, by the way.

And then Jesus himself in his return saves Israel at the battle of Armageddon as the

anti-Christ brings his armies of the world against Israel.

No one else is coming to save Israel in these two battles.

Now President Trump and America may be creating conditions as we've discussed for a temporary

pseudo piece in the Middle East.

Or this war may just be ratcheting up the generational hatred for Israel by her historic

Arab and Persian enemies and the other anti-Semites around the world to finally rid the

world of its quote Jewish problem.

Nothing is certain here.

Donald Trump or Benjamin Netanyahu could die or be assassinated.

Next in line in the US is Vice President JD Vance, who by the way Tucker Carlson advocated

Trump to be Vice President.

And by the way, Tucker's son works for JD Vance as his deputy press secretary.

So Israel and the Jews is a very important issue, one on which we need to be aligned with

what God has revealed in his word.

Let's get straight to part two of the interview with Chris Katalka from Friends of Israel.

Chris regime change in Iran away from the Aoteulas and the radical Islamists would be

preferable.

Some leadership that would be at least workable with Israel in the United States.

But that may not happen, especially if you're not committed to bringing ground troops into

there.

It's very difficult to do regime change.

Where do you think this war in Iran is going to leave things in the Middle East if there

isn't a kind of favorable regime change there?

That's a good question.

And I think one that concerns a lot of people.

I don't know if you heard what President Trump said a couple of days ago that basically

the person that comes in to the seat of power there will be somebody that he has to make

sure he feels comfortable with.

I don't think we'll have ground troops, but I also don't think we're going to stop until

the right person is in there.

I think the same thing happened with the Venezuela with Nicholas Maduro.

We all expected one person to come in.

The woman I forget her name who won the Nobel Peace Prize.

But you know what ended up happening?

He kept his vice president because she said, I'll listen to whatever you want me to do

to Washington.

I think he's waiting for that person to come along.

And also the other thing too is there's this like dynamic happening in Iran.

And the dynamic is that 90% of Iranians are done with the Mullahs and Ayatollahs and

the religious theocracy that they wanted, 90%.

That's a lot.

And so you have not only a desire to see regime change done from other countries, but internally

there's a desire for regime change.

Who that person will be?

I don't know.

But I don't think that Trump is just simply going to let the next person come up and

he says goodbye.

Because we've already seen that happen.

That Mojda Bhak Khameini, the son of Ali Khameini who died, who is now the new quote-unquote

supreme leader, Trump's already said, no, it's not going to be him.

He's not going to be the guy.

And so Trump's already telling you, he's going to have some say, I don't know if that's

going to necessarily need boots on the ground though.

So we'll have to wait and see.

I don't have an answer to that one.

I'm just watching as you are on a day-to-day basis for this.

But I do think you have three things that you didn't have during the Iraq War in Afghanistan.

You have outside pressure.

You have inside pressure for regime change.

And then you also have the right people to do it.

You have Reza Palavi who is the exiled prince of the Shah who could easily come in and

set up, well, not easily, but he could set up a constitutional monarchy in order to get

it over to a democracy.

That's his desire in his remaining years.

So there is also that component as well.

So we just have to kind of wait out and see what happens.

And hopefully the Iranians, they love Israel day, but that's what's so interesting.

A lot of the Iranians love Israel because of the work that Netanyahu has been doing.

So I think there's a lot of potential positive outcomes for Iran.

Since October 7, 2023, when Israel was attacked by Hamas, they've really defeated Hamas

and Gaza.

Hezbollah has been greatly diminished, so of the Houthis and now Iran.

You have to say that Israel is definitely ascending, rising in the Middle East.

And in that interview, you referenced earlier with Ambassador to Israel, Mike Huckabee with

Tucker Carlson of all people.

Tucker Carlson was going down the road of saying, well, you know, God promised if we're

going to go based on scripture, God promised a lot more land to Israel than they currently

have.

And so Tucker was really pressing this.

And here's what Mike Huckabee had to say in response to whether Israel would have a

right to gain more land in the Middle East and they currently inhabit.

Here's what he said.

You've appealed to Genesis.

Genesis 15 says it's Abram.

It's pre-Abraham's Abram.

Receives from God the news that his descendants will inherit the land and you tell me as the

theologian if I'm getting this wrong, but from the Euphrates to the Nile.

And that would include, look, basically, the entire Middle East.

That would be the Levant, so that would be Israel, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon.

It would also be big parts of Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

I mean, I'm not sure it would go that far.

I mean, it would be a big piece of land, but here's the point.

It would be a lot of places that are now countries that this particular area that we're

talking about now, Israel, is a land that God gave through Abraham to a people that he

chose.

It was a people, a place, and a purpose.

We can look at it that way.

Christian Zionism.

I want to go back, because that's where we started.

I'm not going to let you off on this, because you have said it three times that God gave

this land to this people.

And so it is entirely fair for me with respect to ask, what land are you talking about?

Because I just read Genesis 15 as I have many times.

And that land, I think, it says from the Nile to the Euphrates, which is, once again,

basically the entire Middle East.

So God gave that land to his people that Jews already didn't.

You're saying he did.

What does that mean?

Does Israel have the right to that land?

Because you're appealing to Genesis.

You're saying that's the original deed.

It would be fine if they took it all.

The sound by was cut off right there by the Tucker Carlson network.

There was no context to what Mike Huckabee said after that.

What are your thoughts on whether that really would happen?

What Israel, do you think they'd be interested in that?

Because the land God gave them was much, much larger than what they're currently in now.

What's actually very interesting is, if you go back into the modern history of Israel,

the British, when they actually controlled that land between 1917 and 1948, in the early

years of the British Mandate for Palestine, in the early years, they wanted to give the

Jewish people all of that homeland that Mike Huckabee and Tucker Carlson were talking

about.

It would only be because of the many years that they would control that land between 1917

and 1948.

As the decades would roll on, that land would get more and more and more to the point where

modern day Jordan was supposed to be part of Israel.

Then it got harshened out and given to the Hashemannite kingdom and there's 90 plus percent

of the people that lived there today are Palestinians.

The land of Israel even got divided even more between the Palestinians there and the Jewish

people that becomes the partition plan of 1947.

In my humble opinion, as somebody who's a biblisist, I have a biblical worldview, there will

be a day when that happens.

But I think that's on God's terms, that's something I wish Mike Huckabee might have said,

if we could have heard the rest of the interview there, that's on God's terms to do that.

That's not on our terms to do that.

In fact, I don't think most Israelis would ever say, we want to take areas of Syria, we

want to take areas of Lebanon, we want to take areas of Jordan.

If you talk to the average Israeli, they just want peace where they are.

That's not really their ambition.

And so there's what's today and there's what's coming in the future.

Even if you look at the tension throughout the Bible, David, the tension of the Bible is

that God promises them with this land and then what happens, they come into the promised

land and they deal with issues of sin, they deal with issues of falling away from God and

the land begins to get squeezed more and then it expands a little bit under King Solomon.

It really expands to its greatest heights and then it gets divided in half and that's

the tension of God promise them this thing that's coming in the future, this greater land

that he had promised in Genesis, but we're not there yet.

That's the thing, we're not at that place yet where we are right now is that the Jewish

people are back in the land and this is what they've been given and I don't think most

Israelis say we want all of the land, they just want to live in peace without feeling

as though there's Hamas on one border, the Hezbollah on another border, the Houthis launching

rockets in Iran coming down, going into Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt is not their

goal.

But I do believe one day when the Messiah returns and the son of man sits on his glorious

throne and he judges the nations for two things, how they treated his inheritance, which

is his people, Joel chapter three, his people and how they divided up my land.

And that's all from the prophet Joel and Jesus brings that all in in Matthew chapter 25.

When he becomes the judge who judges the nations for how they treat his people and I believe

how they divided up his land.

So I think there's anticipation for what's coming in the future and what the reality is

today.

What's the reality we live in?

What is your understanding of what the Bible teaches just as sort of an overview bullet

points about the future for Israel prophetically to go from where we are now as to the return

of Christ is what you were just talking about from a standpoint of rapture of the church,

the rise of the anti Christ, Gog and May Gog.

Give us to serve an overview of what that looks like.

And people ask, where are we prophetically right now?

I think we're living in between two verses, Ezekiel 37 verses eight and nine, where God

resurrects the people of Israel, but they stand there lifeless.

And then God tells in verse nine tells Ezekiel prophesied to these people that are standing

their lifeless, prophesy a breath that would come into them and bring them to life.

And this is the people of Israel.

And so essentially we're watching the bones come back to pieces and we're watching the

flesh come on the bones and we're watching literally the Jewish people return to their

ancient homeland.

I always tell people we're sitting in the splash section of biblical prophecy.

If you ever read Ezekiel 37, we're in between verses eight and nine.

That's my humble opinion.

I believe that the battle of Gog and May Gog will happen prior to the pre-tribulational

rapture of the church.

And I actually think we're seeing pieces of that happen now.

What happens if Iran, if it all of a sudden they become one of the strongest allies of

Israel in the Middle East, that doesn't seem like the battle of Gog and May Gog.

I thought Persia was supposed to fight against Israel or what happens if the Saudis make

a peace deal or you know, all the Abraham accord expands even more.

Well, it actually says in Ezekiel chapter 38 and 39 that before this war comes, Israel

is at a time of peace when they don't even have to think about anything anymore.

The walls are down.

How does that happen?

They haven't had their defenses down since the moment they became a country.

The second they breathed as a country, May 14, 1948, they were at war defending themselves

against their neighbors.

What happens when that becomes a peaceful time?

Well, then I think the battle begins to happen, the battle of Gog and May Gog.

I believe in a pre-trib rapture of the church.

I don't think that the church was meant for the wrath of God, 1 Thessalonians 110, that

God is still going to deliver us, Paul says, from the wrath to come.

I believe in a seven year tribulation period, also called the time of Jacob's trouble.

And God not only judges Israel, but also judges the nations of the world as Zephaniah chapter

1 talks about.

And then I believe the Antichrist in the middle of that seven year period will establish

himself within the temple of God and Jerusalem, a rebuilt temple.

And he will say to the world, I am God committing what's called an abomination of desolation.

And then God's wrath will continue to be poured out until finally Jesus returns prior

to the kingdom.

And I am pre-millennialist, Jesus will come back, Revelation chapter 19, and establish

a thousand year millennial kingdom where he rules from his throne in Jerusalem.

Micah chapter 4 versus 1 through 4, all the nations of the world, all the peoples will

stream to Jerusalem to receive Torah, it says, to receive law and instruction where from

Jerusalem as it streams out of Zion, it says, to the world for what reason for Shalom

among the nations.

And so I believe in a thousand year millennial kingdom.

And so ultimately there will be another battle that happens at the end and finally Satan

in the demons and all those who follow him will be thrown into the lake of fire, opening

the eternal state.

That's my kind of humble approach to the eschatological timeline, prophetic timeline that we have.

Well, we at the Christian Review will be very closely aligned with what you just described

there.

So thank you for doing that.

Final question is just for people listening today, what would you exhort them?

To do, to cut through, to discern all this anti Israel, anti Jewish sentiment assertions

that were constantly being bombarded with nowadays.

And by the way, it's not just online.

You'll hear friends and family members picking up these things.

It's almost like a contagion that you see.

How should Christians listening deal with this?

Number one, read your Bible.

I genuinely believe that there's a lot of people that take to this hatred toward Israel

and the Jewish people that are coming from these voices online.

They think they're trusted voices and they're not reading the Bible themselves.

I believe that God has a plan and program for Israel.

And not only look at what the Bible teaches, but also look at what history has shown because

the Bible is the guide for what we have and how God is laying out this plan that he has

for Israel and the Jewish people and for the nations.

That's the big thing.

Again, the connection point is this.

I think these people are more hyper focused on Israel than I am that work at the Friends

of Israel.

I don't believe that God chose Israel because they're better than me.

I believe God chose Israel to bless me.

God didn't choose Israel because there's a part of some spiritual country club that separates

them from everybody else.

And we all go, excuse me, you're God's chosen people.

But I can be invited to that too.

It's not like that.

I always tell people to be God's chosen people is like me telling my kids, it's your turn

to go walk the dog.

You know what they do when I say you have to walk the dog that goes, not my turn.

It's her turn.

It's his turn.

They don't want the responsibility to be chosen.

It means you've been given a responsibility by God.

And it's a serious responsibility to bring blessing to all the families of the earth.

And so I constantly like to remind Christians that when God chose them, he chose them to

bless you.

And that's why I believe the Apostle Paul in Romans chapter 11 says, even to the Jewish

people who don't believe in Jesus, the Apostle Paul says, do not be arrogant or boastful

against them because it's not you who supports them.

It's the root that supports you who is the root Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

And so again, it's this humble, merciful, compassionate approach that I think means blessing

Israel and the Jewish people.

That's all biblical.

And then finally, I'll say this, something I've been thinking about more and more, David.

If you're a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, you've been indwelt with the Holy Spirit

of God.

That's a Jewish promise.

And so you have the Holy Spirit in you.

And that Holy Spirit, I believe, is like a compass.

And you know what the compass should do?

The compass shouldn't orient your heart toward Washington or orient your heart toward

Rome or orient your heart toward London or Shanghai or wherever these places are.

I believe that when a Christian is filled with the Holy Spirit, their heart should be

oriented toward Jerusalem.

I think every Christian's heart, as Paul is ministering all throughout the Mediterranean

basin and speaking to Gentiles and pagans and they become believers in Jesus, I believe

that those pagans hearts were turned not toward Rome anymore, but toward Jerusalem.

And I think we should have a humility and anticipation and hope for what God will do

in Jerusalem, because from Jerusalem, as I had mentioned earlier, in Micah chapter 4

and Isaiah chapter 2, blessing will flow from all to all the earth in the future.

So I believe we should have a heart that's oriented toward Jerusalem for the chosen people.

Why?

Because God has blessed us and we should bless His people as He has asked.

Very well said, Chris.

And I just want to thank you for coming on the program today and spending some extra

time with us.

God bless you for what He has done in your life and also for what you're doing at the

Friends of Israel.

All of God's best and grace to you and your family.

And thank you for coming on the Christian Rule of Your Radio program today.

Thanks David.

Again, Chris Katalka from the Friends of Israel Ministry has been our guest this program

and last program.

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Rule of You dot org.

Friends of Israel is an excellent ministry with lots of resources, so I highly encourage

you to connect with them at f-o-i dot org or we have linked to them at our website.

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Bible interpretation, dispensationalism versus covenantalism lead to differing views on

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Our topic today is the dark spiritual contagion of anti-Israel anti-Jewish enmity.

And so in this last segment, I'd like to answer a question that we referred to earlier

in the program about what drives this anti-Israel anti-Jewish sentiment amongst Christians.

As we know with unbelievers all the way from radical, pro-Hamas, Islamic supporters on

the left to conservatives on the right who actually aren't born again Christians, is

just spiritual deception by Satan as he foments hatred and resistance to God and God's sovereign

choice of Israel to be his national representative to the world through whom he gave the law

and the prophets and the Messiah.

And for true Christians though, the division over Israel is due to a differing approach

to interpreting scripture, often labeled as dispensationalism versus covenantalism.

Now just to give you an example of this, JP Sears is a popular social media influencer

with over 500,000 followers.

He's actually a comedian who creates videos on current issues.

You've probably seen them at one time or another.

He's on the right, but totally against Israel.

And he recently produced a video where two people, both played by him, are having a conversation

about why Christians would support Israel.

And he blames it all on what he calls an errant belief called dispensationalism.

Listen to this.

Well, I just think if you look at the Bible and with the end times prophecy in Israel being

God's chosen people, it just makes me think that what's going on with the war with

Iran, there just might be something biblical to that.

You're referring to dispensationalism, not the Bible.

Dispensationalism?

Aha.

Dispensationalism doesn't come from the Bible.

It's a radicalized literal interpretation of the Bible that comes from the Scofield Reference

Bible, not the Bible.

What's that?

Is a book written in published in 1909 by a guy named C.I.

No field in order to spread Zionism.

And they got it to be very influential over Christianity with its new, well, made-up

interpretations of the Bible.

It's got a strong emphasis on literal Israel being God's chosen people.

And it strongly pushes prophecy and end-time interpretations that aren't present in traditional

biblical interpretations, but are very important pieces of Zionist propaganda.

Well, what kind of new interpretations did this Scofield guy introduce?

Well, before him, almost everyone saw Israel and church to be the same thing.

As in, God's chosen people are the ones that go to church.

Well, that's kind of humorous and a typical spoofing that you'll hear from anti-dispensationalists,

blaming the Scofield study of Bible on the pre-millennial end-times view.

But the pre-millennial view that includes a spiritual and physical restoration of the Jews,

according to God's promise, going back to Genesis 12 and then a literal 1,000-year reign

of Christ on earth, this came out right away in the first century as early Christians

read an interpreted scripture.

And so I went online, just found a brief summary of dispensationalism versus covenantalism

in their approaches to interpreting scripture.

I think it's just helpful to compare.

So it says dispensationalism is a theological framework within evangelical Christianity

that interprets the Bible by dividing human history into distinct periods or,

quote, unquote, dispensations, key beliefs and distinctives, a literal interpretation of the

Bible, especially of prophecy and Old Testament promises, applying a consistent,

historical, grammatical, hermeneutic or interpretive method, reading the text in its plain normal sense.

Second, distinctive. A distinction between Israel and the Church, Israel, ethnic,

national descendants of Abraham, and the Church, believers from the time of Pentecost onward,

up until today, including Jews and Gentiles, are seen as separate entities in God's plan.

Old Testament promises to Israel of land and kingdom remain literal and unfulfilled for national

Israel. They weren't spiritually transferred to the Church, and it goes through the seven

dispensations they typically hold to. And those dispensations, they say, are specific

errors in which God administers his relationship with humanity in different ways,

testing obedience under varying conditions or responsibilities,

often ending in human failure, followed by judgment in a new dispensation. And I won't go

through each of them, but you can look them up on your own. And then it gets into the end times

that dispensationalism is closely tied to pre-millennialism, including a pre-tribulational

rapture of the Church, followed by Christ's second coming to establish his kingdom. Okay,

compare that to covenant theology, which they define as a theological framework associated

with reforms, so from the Reformation period, and Presbyterian traditions that interprets the

Bible through the lens of God's covenants, which are solemn binding agreements that structure

God's relationship with humanity and reveal his redemptive plan. So what are their distinctives?

There's continuity between the old and the new testaments. So the Church is the fulfillment,

the continuation of Israel as God's covenant people. There are one people of God across history,

including believing Jews and Gentiles. Old Testament promises find spiritual fulfillment

in Christ in the Church. Interpretive method, covenant theology emphasizes typology and progressive

revelation, and often applies a more typological spiritual reading to Old Testament promises.

So land promises that God made to Abraham point to the new creation or heavenly inheritance.

And then with the end times, covenant theology is typically a millennial and post-millennial

with Christ's return after a spiritual millennium, not a literal thousand years. And there's no

separate future for national Israel apart from the Church. There's your answer. This is why

Christians diverge on Israel because they approach and interpret the Bible differently. But just

to clarify, I don't consider or call myself a dispensationalist. I don't read the Bible with seven

dispensations in mind for how God interacts with man. I read the Bible in a literal way,

unless the context indicates otherwise. It's been said the meaning of scripture is scripture.

What that means is you compare one passage of scripture to another and then another and another

until there's a consistent interpretation. So when I read that God made an everlasting covenant

with Abraham in Genesis, when it's repeated elsewhere in the Old Testament,

when God repeats the promise to the Jews in Romans 11, despite their disobedience,

when Israel is a key part of revelation and the lead up to the return of Christ,

I take that literally that God will fulfill his promises to national Israel to judge unbelieving Jews,

but to save many of them and restore the nation. So Abraham through his sons Isaac and then Jacob

was promised physical land descendants and blessings. That's the nation of Israel and the Jews.

But Abraham is also the spiritual father of true believers. He's used as the example of true saving

faith. You've seen the passage Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.

So all true believers, whether Jew or Gentile, are of the spiritual lineage of Abraham. You could

call it a spiritual Israel. And so this is what the whole issue of Israel and the Jews comes down to,

at least for true believers. It's how one interpret scripture and that makes a huge difference on how

we think and live and view the modern day state of Israel and the Jewish people. So let's strive to

not align ourselves with a category of dispensationalism or covenantalism, but rather let's follow what

scripture says in 2 Timothy 2 15. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman

who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth. So would you pray with me

to close today? Lord, in your perfect word, your servant Paul closes Romans chapter 11,

which confirms your ancient and unchanging covenant with the nation of Israel and the Jewish people,

he concludes this way. Oh, the depth of the riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God,

how unsearchable are his judgments and unfathomable his ways for who has known the mind of the Lord

or who became his counselor or who has first given to him that it might be paid back to him again.

For from you, Lord, and through you, and to you are all things, and to you be the glory forever,

Amen. And there's nothing more for us to say than that, Father, Amen. Thank you for joining us

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