The Deep State Just Ruined Trump... | DSH #1885

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The deep state did Donald Trump dirty on his first run. They basically ruined his

presidency by concocting the Russia hoax. And so people are like, we want an outsider who's

going to come in and they're going to clean up this mess of that there's an entire

unelected branch of government that's actually working against my interest.

And the Epstein storyline just lets everyone see the signal. Donald Trump is here and he's playing

ball with whatever those power structures are. He's not looking to clean them up. He's a part of

this now. It's a signal to everyone because everyone knows that the Epstein story doesn't add up.

And if you're out on the news going, we have 5 million files on a hoax everybody.

Okay guys got Robbie Bernstein here out here in Atlantic City for word war debate.

And you're from Philly though, right? Uh, Stanford Connecticut. Oh, Stanford Connecticut. Yeah,

but I like Philly Philly's a fun town. Yeah, you got to show there tonight. Yeah,

open it up for this isn't live though, right? No, no. Well, go to comic Dave Smith.com,

you can check out all the dates down the line. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What's the crowd like in Philly?

Pretty rowdy. Um, there was a little bit of rowdiness, but I like, uh,

what I don't like is the polite 7 p.m. crowds. Like when I walk into a room,

everyone's over the age of 50. They just ordered dinner and I could tell like they're just nice people.

I'm like, this is going to be a problem. You want the rowdy? You give me rowdy drunks. I'm,

I'm fine with that all day. I like the construction workers. I like people that drink too much.

I could do filthier material. So I don't, I don't enjoy being heckled. I don't encourage people to

heckle, but I don't mind like an energetic rowdy or crowd. I feel, uh, so podcast by day and comedy

by night. Yeah, that's the, the general grind and that Philly club is a good room. It's like old school

basement, low ceiling, real compact. So there's some rooms that are funner to play than others.

Like you just, you can walk into a room and be like, oh, this is an authentic looking comedy club

and that room's got that. I feel, uh, that's a cool lifestyle, man, because you're talking about

serious topics during the day and then I know you get to let loose and de-stress. Yeah, it's,

it's also just so funny because there's people that have been listening to our podcast for 10 years

aren't even stand-up fans. Never seen us do stand-up and then they come out and it's just,

we're talking some of the similar topics, but it's all jokes, but they don't actually expect us to

be good at it because they don't know us as stand-up comics. And so it's kind of interesting to

bring people into the world of stand-ups awesome because there's so many people that are like,

I'm a die-hard comedy fan, but a lot of people just aren't. Yeah. You were doing comedy before the

pond. Yeah. I knew Dave from doing this, uh, the worst comedy club that ever existed in Times Square.

It was this place. I'm not even going to say the name. It doesn't need to do in business.

Nope. It is long gone and it was a train wreck. There were these guys out on the street just

telling you Chris Rock was going to be there. Tina Fey was going to be there. They'd tell you

Richard Pryor was going to be there. They were just, you know, barking on the street, lying

through their teeth and then people were coming in there for overpriced drinks and then we were

up on stage having a battle them tooth and nail. But what was great about that spot was I would do

four or five shows in a night. You weren't being promoted, but you're also weren't being fired,

so you could really just work on stuff. Experiment. I missed that because it was just a constant

battle. So you were shot sharp. Yeah. You had to be on your toes, right? Yeah. I like to this day.

Now, you know, I headline my own tour. I do this thing called Port Store. I play people's back

yards all summer, which is a blast. And that's great because, you know, do like an hour on a show

and I'm open up for Dave. I do a half hour on a show, but there's something to when you're doing

like six spots a night every night in front of crowds that don't like you. Yeah. Man, does that make

you good? Damn, that's insane. Yeah, shows a night hour shows. Uh, no, no. I was only doing like

10, 15 minutes, but I would literally go, they call it the check spot, which is kind of for the

rookies and they send you up there when people are getting their bills and then they're mad.

And you would really have to battle a room of angry people as they're finding out they got ripped

off and the Chris Rocks not showing up and that their beer was $25. Yeah. I once had a beer bottle

thrown at me in stage 25 for beer. I mean, oh, it was the worst New York City rip offs,

tourist attraction thing of all time, but made you get thick skin now wherever you go. It's probably

like a cake walk. Yeah. And then every once in a while, I walk into it because I used to listen,

you want to do actual jokes. And I had like a bit of a B plan when things weren't really going well.

And one of the things I used to do was people sometimes they'd get their bill and then they'd

have enough and want to leave. And that would happen during my spot and people like slowly leave.

And then I would take it's like a level 15 and start yelling at them like, if you're leaving,

you're leaving now. Get up. Now's your chance. And then like I'd yell at someone the whole

way to the door. And then when right when they got to the door, I was like, we're not on the hallway.

If you could just tell me you didn't like the comic before me. That's funny. Yeah. When did you start

talking about politics? You know, I did not do as much political stuff. No, that's not true. I

always kind of had political stuff in my act. But I started doing more of it because it's funny.

I was like a real just filthy late night like sex joke, drug comic like. And then I started going

on the road with Dave. And I was a little bit too much for our audience because they're not they're

not filthy comedy fans. So I started telling more tight political jokes to start it to kind of

bring them into my insanity. Yeah. And now I would say my acts like 50 50 political jokes and

other shenanigans. Okay. Yeah. I feel like that's what your your podcast is known for mainly the

politics. Yeah. And then also just because I'm following the news every day like really rigorously,

I'm pretty in tune with like what's going on in the world. And then sometimes I can find good

joke angles on stuff just because like I'm so ingrained in the material. It's like every day I'm

spending four hours reading the news. I'm spending an hour doing the podcast. So there's just I

feel like if I spent that much time watching the nature channel, I'd probably have more jokes about

orangutans, you know, where are you consuming objective news sources from? Oh, my routine is I

mean, I can tell you my routine, but it's basically I mean, I read everything every day and then I

try and dig in and research and come to my own conclusions on like core topics. Yeah. But my

starting point, I like the New York Post because it gets me into the news. Okay. It's like a little

bit funer and easier. So I tend to that's like my warm up around is New York Post. My true school.

Yeah. Then I like to go at sand.com all sides.com in the hill and New York Times daily briefing.

And I'm basically scanning every headline of like what's the big topics in the news that day.

Same thing. I'll go to a grok be like giving the top 15 news stories of the day.

Smart. Then every day, like if there's articles there that interest me, I'm reading those reading

the Wall Street Journal every day, nearly every article on zero hedge every day. There's an

economics blog, mish talk. I like a lot. There's this guy David Stockman. I like a lot. I'll read him.

And now grok's just kind of become my calculator. And I also read everything like Google News that

catches my interest. Wow. And then as anything interests me and I have questions, I kind of fact check

or look into things on Twitter, grok and like we'll dig in more from there as things capture my

interest. Geez. I didn't realize how hard you were going. I mean, it's it's the job. I'm competitive

and we got a podcast to do. I do one every day and I want to make sure we got a good show.

So I also go on YouTube news. I'm going through that algorithm, seeing what like clips are out

there. I didn't even know that was within YouTube news. Yeah. On the sidebar, you can click news.

And then as you're watching, we'll refine itself better for kind of what you're looking for.

But it's almost the same thing of scanning headlines that I'm just able to see every network,

kind of what they're covering. If there was a particular politician that was commenting on something,

I want to click on that. So that, I mean, it's basically, it's gone and easier with the AI.

Yeah. Let me tell you, it used to be four hours a day. Now it's more like two. Yeah, when I do

prep on guests, AI's helped me a lot. Yeah. It's a calculator. Yeah. I mean, it could summarize

everything. Yeah. Sometimes I don't have time to read the guest book. So I can use AI to talk.

I'll tell you what I use a lot for is things that I would watch a whole podcast now. I just dump

transcripts in and go give me the summary. Yeah. There's a chat. There's a chat,

Chrome extension that I have for that. You don't even have to copy and paste it. You're more

sophisticated than me, man. That's pretty good. So I could listen to eight podcast episodes in like

10 minutes. Streamlined. Yeah. Wait, you'll, and then you'll have it read it to you. Or you can,

but I read faster than it reads out loud. So I'd rather read it. Yeah. I find that too with transcripts.

Yeah. Because I'm listening to audiobooks at like 2.5 something. There's 2.5. Yeah. That's

pretty good. Sometimes three five if it's a slow reader. Okay. Anywhere, if it's Ben Shapiro,

I'll do one five. Yeah. She talks fast. Anywhere from one five to three five. I think of it like

1.5, but what I find is funny is that I space out when I listen to things. Yeah. And then like three

days later, I will have concocted a total of my lets be filled here. That's okay. Yeah. I read

I'm trying to remember what the audiobook was and it was a great book about like evolution,

basically evolution. And I picked up two facts that are in my brain and I'm sure they're not in

the book. Like I'm sure of it. One is that Christianity was a scam to sell tents. I'm pretty sure

that's not a real thing. But I don't know why I picked that up from the audiobook. And then the

other one was that evolution happened because like the bigger dick tribe was picking on the little

dick tribe. And I'm like, did I come up with that in a dream? Like there's no way that was in this

academic book that I was reading to actually find you pick up most of what you're listening to when

you're reading. If I'm like driving yes, but if I'm like doing something while I'm listening to,

then no. Like I got to be locked in. Right. Do you ever think about the risk you didn't take

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Okay, you know, FOMO 5, that's fast. Yeah, you build your tolerance up. So you start at 1.25.

Once you feel like you've mastered that, you go up to like 1.3, 1.4 and slowly.

Dude, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm gonna. What? Yeah, 4x. Is that like on the side thing? Is that 1.4 or

that's? No, 4.0. Does that sound like a record being just. Yeah, that's crazy. But it gives you an

edge, man. If you can actually retain like a two or three X, four is extreme. I think most people

will ever get there. But realistically, if you can retain at 2x, you're learning twice as fast as

someone. Yeah. Well, I've learned from listening to the audiobooks that part of why I was such a bad

student is that people talk slow. You know what I mean? Like I, I, I just have ADD. If you just

delivered it quicker and I could walk around while absorbing the information, I can take this stuff

on the side. But if I'm going to sit in the class in some subpar speakers, going to talk slowly

at me. Yeah, I'm doodling and leaving for the bathroom. Hunter percent. I struggled in school.

I was, I never showed up. I was a bad student. Yeah. You didn't show up and they didn't care.

I went to this high school. And how old are you? 28. You're younger than me. Okay. I got a whole

decade on you. You ever see the movie Camp Nowhere? No. It was this movie about basically, it was

like a classic Disney movie. It's with the guy who was the old man in a back to the future.

Oh, God. He's a good character actor. And basically got all these kids and their parents want them

to go to like these specific summer camps. Like you got the dad who's like super military,

he's supposed to go to military school, bait like all this stuff. And so they find this guy.

They make a freak for sure for each other camps that doesn't exist. And they basically go there,

take all their parents' money and just enjoy their parents' money. Okay. My high school was like

that. That it was this private school that we dormed at. And I swear my parents spent 20 grand

for me to go into the city and drink. They just didn't quite take attendance and I just did not show up.

Wow. You think a private school that's costing that much would take time. Yeah. It was, it was a

freak show. It was a freak show because it was like a very orthodox Jewish school. I grew up very

different than the way I shaved my head. And they had like this super regular rigorous Talmud

program from like eight in the morning to like two in the afternoon. And we were all idiot kids that

just wasn't for us. And they didn't really care about the secular education in the afternoon. So

it was just like total dysfunction. Wow. Yeah. It's not dynamic like of being Jewish and then

being Dave's co-host and best friend. Uh, it's all good. Every once in a while. You know what?

Listen, I do enough radio. If someone wants to argue with me on something, I'm happy to do it.

Yeah. And so you disagree with his take on? No, no, no. I'm saying if some relative wants to

or someone else wants to give me shit for something that Davis said. Oh, God. I don't pick fights

with people. But if someone wants to argue with me on something, I'm more than happy to do so.

And I always find it funny if it happens at like a family meal or something else and they just

don't realize the door they opened with me. I don't talk politics at family meals. Yeah. I'm more

than happy not to when was funniest was during COVID because my parents didn't even know I was doing

the podcast and they just know me as kind of an idiot. Yeah. And my mom like started getting into

so why aren't you getting this vaccine thinking she was convinced, kind of convinced me and she just

was not ready for the amount of information. I was going to download at her. The black pill. Yeah,

exactly. I mean, that stuff's so obvious now that how she changed it all her. I think they got

opened up to how many topics I was right about that they thought I was a bad shit conspiracy theorist.

Yeah. So now they're less dismissive when I say things that they otherwise would have thought

was crazy. Yeah. Truth always comes out eventually, right? Well, hopefully. I think most of the time.

I think time, what did they say heals all or heals all? Yeah. Well, I think the reason for that is that

you get to a point where they don't need to hold on to the lie anymore and so they're willing to

give you the truth to almost protect that the systems allow for truth to come out. So like there's

it's almost like if I were to tell you a stock's going up because I want you to buy into the stock

and I want to pump up the stock price and once the thing crashes, then I can turn around and go,

oh yeah, that stock was valueless. But that information was really valuable while I was pumping the

stock once the event took place. Nobody cares. So it's like 20 years after the Iraq war, you'll see a

movie about how the CIA was torturing people. They don't care about us having that information now.

It's not important for them to protect that. Yeah. It was really important while the stuff was going

on. Same with COVID. Once they're trying to sell you on an entire racket of getting a vaccine and

not living your life and staying home and full control, it's super important to them. Once we move on

from it, they're willing to be more honest about it. Good point. And now it feels like no one talks

about like the three years. Like it's just a blur. I hate it. I still want, I still, I was selling

prosecute Fauci t-shirts for a while and I still think that that would be important in cleansing

to our society is to actually have accountability for a criminal behavior. Yeah, he got the pre-part in

the first time I've seen that. Yeah, well, you know, the auto pen was more aggressive than

auto. Yeah, you're typical president. Yeah, whatever you're putting in front of it is like no

problem. Who else needs a pardon? I'll take a pardon. My son can have a pardon. Who else needs one?

Trump is pardoning a lot of people too, to be honest. And not even waiting for the end of his run.

Which is interesting. Yeah, he's like, hey, you're going to partner with me on crypto. Here you go. Get

back out there. Let's go. I feel like since it's his second term, he's just kind of doing whatever

the fuck he wants. He's being aggressively Donald Trump. Yeah. And you know, there almost doesn't

enough articles about whatever he's doing in the crypto markets and his double dealing on hotels

and everything else. You don't frequently see presidents who are selling sneakers in their own

meme coins. You're big on crypto, right? I like my Bitcoin. I'm not selling my Bitcoin. I'm also

not buying more Bitcoin. I'm a big believer in that lesson, our, our government's going to inflate

to the wazoo. So I totally understand a, the, I fully understand that Bitcoin's like a beautiful

product and that there's a finite amount. It's fixed to that you have to be able to generate

a lecture like I have a full understanding of it. I love it. It would be amazing if the whole

world went to Bitcoin. And we could basically peacefully take away the power of government

because we're no longer just allowing them to control currency and steal our wealth through

inflation with all that said. Bitcoin went to 200 tomorrow. I couldn't tell you why. If it went

back down to five, I couldn't tell you why as to whether or not the CIA's behind the entire thing

to try and bring on, you know, digital currencies or wants to crash out the competitor. I think

other people will want to go that that's totally not a risk factor. So I'm holding my Bitcoin to

the end. And I hope that that becomes the next real currency. But, you know, do you ever think

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Bitcoiners. I'd rather die on it. Yeah, I've seen the CIA theory with it. I wonder if they really

plan that far ahead though, like China does. One hour CIA? Yeah. I bet there's some people that do.

It wouldn't shock me if someone was smart enough to concoct that scheme, but yeah, it wouldn't

shock me. I mean, when you look at all the wars that they've orchestrated and allegedly, right?

Yeah. I don't think everyone there is intelligent, but the idea that one guy had that idea wouldn't

completely shock me. Yeah. Now you got like former CIA guys going on pods and infiltrating our space.

It's interesting to see. I don't personally trust anyone with former intelligence credentials.

Dude, I get I'm sure you get these emails like once a week. It's either like former FBI,

former CIA wants to come on your show like all the time. I guess it probably Dave feels more

those requests. Yeah. Listen, sometimes they got valuable information. So I'm not like entirely

dismissive, but I do wonder the same way when Brennan went to CNN, I'm like, all right, you just

still have your job at the CIA. You're still working at the CIA. You're just now on the television

and media division of it. Yeah. With some of these guys, if they were real military intelligence,

I don't, you know, I had, you know, if someone still has ties or they're pushing something or

they're trying to drag you into such crazy conspiracy theories that you end up being dismissed.

Yeah. You know, it's just the target to tell what those guys. I mean, there's a theory now

with Bongino that he stepped down to kind of get back into podcasting and it is not working.

Oh, this was the crash out of the century and I am here for it. Defending your boy. Yeah.

Well, here's what I think really fails these people is Donald Trump is one of a kind.

Do you ever work sales at all? I've worked sales. Yeah. What sales jobs? Yeah. Just like a high ticket

sales. Okay. Cool. So I worked in a sales job once in the city and it was the sharkiest sales

room of like 300 sales guys and there were some people who were really good at saying nothing.

Someone would ask him a question about the product. Don't worry. It works and just move on and

that would work for those people. But Donald Trump has that thing where he says nothing. Don't worry.

It will work. I'm Donald Trump. I've got this figured out and it doesn't matter how many times it

doesn't work, how many times he literally just changes his mind about what he was doing. He can just

begin him from the camera gives you. Hey, we didn't fight a war with Venezuela, but we run the

country now. What does that mean? Don't worry about it. What do you mean we're running the country?

We're running the country. Okay. The problem is no one else can pull that off. And so they're trying

to like explain what Donald Trump's doing and it doesn't work. It just works for Donald Trump

because he's not telling you what he's doing. And he's got like that sales order to him that

suckers a lot of people. I think Bungino made the mistake of thinking he can go back to podcasts

and that the audience will still be there for him explaining the rationale of what the Trump

administration's doing and that he could explain to you that everyone that's criticizing is just a

black pill and it's everything that we're hearing from the Trump loyalists. You got to follow it.

You know, if you just have enough faith in Donald Trump, he's playing 4D chess. So quit

criticizing even what looks crazy. It's not going to work. And he had before he took the government

role. He had a huge show. He had a huge show. But also like from what I the clips I've seen, he was

talking a lot of Epstein trash and then got into office and was part of nothing to see here. Same

with cash. Yeah. And I think the real American first conservative crowd is not happy about

because Epstein's such a signal of whether or not there is a real interest in taking on the deep

state. The deep state did Donald Trump dirty in his first run and they basically ruined his

presidency by concocting the Russia hoax. And so people are like, we want an outsider is going to

come in and they're going to clean up this mess of that there is an entire unelected branch of

government that's actually working against my interest. And the Epstein storyline just lets

everyone see the signal. Donald Trump is here and he's playing ball with whatever those power

structures are. He's not looking to clean them up. He's a part of this now. And so I think that entire

it's it's a signal to everyone because everyone knows that the Epstein story doesn't add up.

And if you're out on the news going, yeah, there's things that we have 5 million files on a hoax

everybody. So I think everyone realized that these people are not credible. And if you want to go

back to the podcast space, which is just purely, you know, you're being honest with your audience

after growing after talking trash about Epstein, then getting into office and being part of the cover

up. I mean, what honesty card do you have left? He's lost a lot of support. I mean, he's getting

ratioed on Twitter like disgustingly like 10 to 1 by Dave by other people. It's bad. Yeah, well,

we you know, it's fun that I guess our show is big enough that we can talk trash about these

people and it actually gets to them. And then there's almost like a critical mass that were the show

that a actual politician who is a part of this administration is responding to that that's so

fun for one and for two. It's like somebody needs to do this job. There has to be a show that's

taking on Dan Bungino right now and going, you are not credible unless you want to, you know,

give us the tale of why the Donald Trump administration buried the Epstein case. If you want to do that,

you want to leave government and put it on the line and tell us why you decided to play ball,

how they threatened you or whatever else they did to influence you. You can have the biggest show

in the world. But if you're just going to continue basically running cover for these people,

no one's going to listen and you need people to call it out. So lucky for us, we picked we picked up

that mantle and he's actually responding to us and losing a ship, which is fun to watch. What are

the odds? He actually debates. Oh, it will never happen. Oh, no, but we put out the call in the

last episode. Dave Dave, I forgot what I was calling it. The cure cure, the black pill of him

or something. And Dave said if the audience vote goes more than 80% for Bungino, we'll shine

his shoes. And we also said we'll line it up on a big platform. So he's got he's got an open

invite. And if he wants to man up and go for it, he should. But I think what we've learned from

Ben Shapiro and these other people is that if you're running from the facts, you don't want to actually

have conversations about these things. People don't like the running. Yeah, the running. Yeah,

because it signals of oh, you don't really want to be challenged on any of what you're saying. You

need it. And that's what they're calling for. Do you ever think about the risk you didn't take

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followers every day, subscribers. Yeah, I heard some crazy stat about how much he's losing on

his YouTube show. A lot. Yeah, it's it's bad. That's why I respect Dave and I don't know if you

do debates too, but Dave will debate anyone. I would have on the COVID topic on the COVID topic,

I was like, so up and in on that. On most of these other topics, I'd have to really sit down and

do my homework and I don't want to. Yeah, it's a lot of work. Yeah, I mean, the guests I just

had on before you, he said he did 40 hours of research for today's debate. Yeah, yeah. I did a

couple on the COVID topic, but it's not Dave's me and Dave are different characters. I try and

I want to be the amount of free time I have. I need to focus it more and stand up and not doing

more political stuff with your routine already researching two hours a day. Yeah, I'm working on

the podcast, but I mean, Dave's he's also he's a different degree of brilliance and he can really

sit down and he's got dip focus on like I do with his ability to really delve in and read books

and stuff. So that's impressive. Yeah, the COVID topic, who would even debate you these days on

that? I mean, it's over. I don't even remember what I had in my brain then, but I would have I would

loved to have debated Fauci at the heart of COVID. That would have been the greatest moment of

my entire life is taken on this liar. And I you guys can find this. It's still online, but I did

an event in a in New York City. It was another comic and it was still kind of like at the end of

COVID lockdown type stuff like COVID was still fresh on people's mind. And I was just getting

into the COVID topic and there was someone in the audience who had a master's degree in like

was getting a master's degree in biology and they came up to like argue with me and I just took

this lady's soul. Yeah, it was a great moment. It was really fun and the entire audience hated me

because it was all these liberal Brooklyn people. So it was literally me up against an entire room.

It was a fun moment. That's why I like debates because a lot of people tie their identity to the

topic they're debating and then when you can clearly destroy it, it's like a life altering moment

for these people. Yeah, you know, yeah, I guess there's some other topics. When I was doing more

homework on the tariffs, that could have been an interesting one, but are you pro or against tariffs?

I'm personally against tariffs. Okay, I'm hearing more people against these days. Yeah,

what was what was your interest in the tariffs? Well, I'm like an entrepreneur. I used to do like

dropshipping any commerce. So for me, tariffs like really hurt that industry. So that was sort of

where I was looking at it. Like it really hurts the margin of the business. Yeah, yeah. What I find

with the tariff conversations a little bit like I would like no government money in healthcare.

And people will hear that and go, oh, so you want porn sick people to die? And it's like, no,

I actually think we could have much better and cheaper healthcare without government funds and

regulations in the market. And so people are like very married if you say that your anti-tariff,

they just jump on it. So you're against American jobs. And it's no, that's not at all what I'm saying.

I don't think the problem. And I think for every cheaper good in this country, it's an opportunity

for someone else, which is what you were describing cheaper lumber is more opportunity for builders.

Yeah. It's everything is. And so I think the problem with the tariffs is one. I don't know.

We still haven't seen the full impact in Donald Trump's role in some of it back. But one is it

just disrupts business planning. And I think who it's really going to kill as small businesses

of people who do have American employees and they do have a business, but they import a product in

order to sell their product within America. And the other concern that I had with it was just

the favoritism that if you're large enough, then you can lobby the government for basically

a carve out for yourself. And we have seen that. We're at one point he was talking about lowering the

it wasn't quite lowering the tariff, but it was a carve out for the auto manufacturers because

the steel prices were going up on them. I think he just got rid of the tariffs on like furniture

or something. But I've seen it in a bunch of industries, which is just the same racket that

kills small businesses is that the very large players can actually get them from a Donald Trump

and go and hey, you're destroying my business. And so then they'll get a carve out and everyone

else that can't lobby them doesn't. Yeah. Hey, well, at least you're getting that $2,000 tariff

check in a few months. Is that happening? I don't know. Oh great. So we'll have another round of

COVID inflation. Who knows? Yeah. We also would what a paycheck company or a house will do.

Yeah. And the only reason they did it on that one was because they needed to bail out the financial

industry again. And they knew that they couldn't bail out the financial industry because everyone

would be pissed. They're like, Hey, why don't we just send everyone a $1,000 check and then they'll

be okay with bailouts. Yeah. Yeah, I learned giving money out doesn't work. No, I'm telling you,

it's a deal with the devil. And here's what people really don't understand is that if government

makes more money available. So what you do is everyone's taking that money and they're going to

spend that money on what that money can purchase for them. So like if Donald Trump, for example,

is sending you money to go purchase health insurance, you've boosted the demand for health insurance.

Health insurance is just more expensive. If you want to know why college is outpriced with inflation,

it's because government made funding available just for you to go purchase a college education.

So the colleges go, Oh, look, there's more money available for us to charge. They charge more money.

All that you do when you hand people free money to go buy a specific item is drive up the price

that item so that you're more in debt to consume what you otherwise would have been able to consume.

Wow. I never looked at it that way. It's literally a devil's deal where you feel like,

oh my god, the government's handing me free money. But it hands it to everybody else to go purchase

that exact good. Now the good is just more expensive. And what he's doing, I just had this guy,

David column on my podcast, run your mouth. And I haven't dug in yet with what Trump's doing with

with the housing market. But he was saying that it's basically another bailout for the boomers

that they're going to keep the housing prices up while these guys are trying to sell their houses.

And then my generation is going to buy these things because you lower the interest rates or whatever

else to make it affordable. And at some point, the housing market's coming down and you're just going

to crush my generation of kids again. Wow. So another O8. Yeah. Well, because what's happening is

if all these boomers are dying off and they got to sell their homes and nobody can get a mortgage

because the interest rates going up, what happens? You got to sell your home for less. But if all of a

sudden you figure out some trickery so that kids that can't afford homes have the money to go and

purchase the home, so you're just going to keep boosting the price up. Do you ever think about the

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is it also creates bubbles, which they call credit asset bubbles, which is when you make too much

money available for one particular asset, then you drive up the price that asset. And then eventually

if you cut off the increased funding for it, it's the same as like any Ponzi scheming, the price

came down, which is basically what happened in the subprime mortgage crisis. But yeah, free money

is a devil's deal. You're like, this amazing. I get free money. But then the backside of that

magic trick is you're driving up the price that good. And now you're just more in debt. Yeah,

look what happened with all the PPP loans and the ERC or whatever, all the free money they gave out.

Well, 50% of that, luckily, went abroad. So I guess it didn't drive up inflation.

Well, I think 50% of that went to fraud. Really? Yeah. Well, probably, but my point is,

like, everything just went up, like watches went up, like gold, like everything. Yeah,

thing was crazy during COVID because people were just home getting a check and I guess shop

in a line or whatever. Yeah, it was nuts. You mentioned healthcare earlier. I think that's a

scam too. I just had to buy mine. It's like a thousand a month. That's in your 28. Yeah, I'm 28.

What do you get? Like the goal? You must have gotten the plan. You got the silver plan. I need to get gold.

I've had the lowest healthcare that you can purchase, like 675 a month. It's one of my biggest

expenses and it's a virtually unusable. Because I never have $12,000 in healthcare expenses.

Here's the scam of healthcare and there's great articles if you're interested in this by

George, George Reesman, but it's just, it's licensing laws. That's what it is. If you got rid of

licensing laws, you'd have more. Like, look at every other industry. As technology gets better,

things are supposed to get cheaper. That's every industry. Think about this television,

what this thing would have cost 30 years ago. And then you look at healthcare prices and

as technology gets better, this thing just keeps going up and up. And it's basically because there's

a bunch of different elements, but it's basically because government incentivized insurance and

they also fund a lot of people's insurance. And once you have insurance, nobody's like

settling for anything, but the best possible care. The example Reesman gets, which is brilliant,

is that if let's say 30 of us all sat down at a restaurant at a fancy restaurant,

I don't have a lot of money, so I'd be like, you know what? I better just get bread, right? But

now, if everyone else is going to get the steak and I got to pay for their steaks, I want my steak,

too. And that's the problem with like, you're just pulling everybody. And then the licensing

laws keeps all the competitors out. So you can't really come up with like cheaper options.

But the one where you and I got crushed, because I'm not asking about you, I'm just going to

assume that you're young and healthy. You don't have any pre-existing conditions. I don't take

any medication and no pre-existing. There you go. So what you and I would want is a catastrophic

care plan, which is essentially, I used to have one before Obama was a hundred bucks a quarter.

And essentially, if you had cancer, it paid out a million dollars. So if you ended up in like a

situation that, you know, the freak occurrence, you had health care that was going to fund all that.

But if you want to go see a doctor tomorrow, you're nothing. You're at a pocket, right? But,

there's two more scams on health care. You got me going on this. But they're both interesting. So

first is, you know, ideally, I think what you want is like a concierge doctor. You spend like

three grand a year for access to that guy and you got a catastrophic care plan. So if you need

any crazy thing because you got cancer, you're covered, right? But the other thing is I remember,

there was a small time when I did not have insurance. And I remember I got a bill, whatever the

hell it was. And I call them up and I go, Hey, I don't have insurance. Without negotiating with

me, they said, cool, we'll knock 70% off the bill. Wow. Okay. Now, what's paying 30% of a bill?

The copay. Think about that. If you have a copay of 30%. Yeah. Okay. And I don't have insurance at all.

And they cut down my bill by 70%. What did I pay? The copay. And so I'm convinced all the insurance

stuff is like it's artificially billing things high to pretend like your insurance is covering

more than it actually is. That makes sense, though, because their cost is not anywhere near what

they're charging. Yeah. And I'm sure that you know, I all I'm saying is that my experience was if

you didn't have insurance, they were cutting the bill by 70%. So I'm in the same place. That's

not because I know someone that had an anxiety attack went to the ER was 10 grand. Yeah, we didn't

even use an ambulance. 10 grand for that. And their cost was probably like maybe 500. Yeah. Well,

that's why the other big fix and Trump was actually talking about this in his first term. But

you needed display pricing so that consumers actually have some awareness of what they're

purchasing and being able to shop around for options. Yeah. And I think a big part of that is the

licensing thing. So like you just had a straight up anxiety attack. Yeah. What was heart rate was

so that I think they got a scan or nothing crazy. Yeah. So I would venture to guess someone could

be opening up the anxiety attack clinic. That's probably a better place to show up to than the ER.

And it's not giving you a bill for 10 grand. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy these days, man. I actually

almost signed up for crowd health. Have you heard of that? Yeah. They're great crowdfunding

healthcare. Yeah. So what works really well for that model is, and I'm kind of talking out of

my ass on this. But essentially part of what drives up insurance so much is that they were forced

to cover pre-existing conditions. Now, once you are forced to cover pre-existing conditions,

that's no longer insurance. Yeah. Right? Because like if I, for example, have cancer and then I

want to go purchase insurance, that's not insurance. Right. I already had like the insurance is we're

going to pull our risk. We don't know who's going to have cancer of the million of us. We're all

going to contribute $1. And then if one guy of us gets cancer, he has a million dollars to pay for

it. That's called pooling risk. That's insurance. If I've already had the car crash or I get life

insurance after I'm already dead, that's not insurance. I was supposed to ensure against the risk of

an event taking place. So what they allow you to do, I, from what I understand, you can have Andy

on. He's a, he's the CEO actually. Oh yeah, he's great. But what they allow, I think are allowed

to do because it's not an actual insurance product is that they can screen for pre-existing conditions,

which then means if you're a healthy individual, you don't have to pay these rates where we're being

fleeced to basically cover everybody else. That was why I almost did it. But then I was thinking about

it. Like what if everyone get, not everyone, but a lot of people get a disease at the same time,

is this going to be able to cover it? Yeah. Well, I think the actuary math on insurance should

be pretty good. Yes. Because like I said, with large enough numbers, you're just pooling risk.

Right. And so, you know, especially with like AI now, I think they probably have pretty good

table. Unless something, I'm not, I don't even want to say that. Let's say that there was a new

event where something changed in our environment that drastically changed like cancer rates. Yeah.

Then you might end up in a situation where like all the math was wrong. Yeah. But outside of some

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