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by that. So sweet, let's hop into this episode. We're kicking things off with a pretty cool

announcement, in my opinion, which is the open at Austin this year is going to be titled the

Barbosol Open at Austin, presented by Home to Suites by Hilton. So what's so cool about this?

Obviously it's a random one-two pairing, right? But in my opinion, what's so cool about this is

we see a the continuation of Barbosol as a partner, which according to the pro-tour announcement

has been now five years of them working with the pro-tour, and b, a tournament that is fully

presented by outside disc golf sponsors, which I think, correct or wrong, might be one of the

first times of the only time I've seen this? Ah, yeah, I don't know. I can't off the top of my head,

but it is certainly exceedingly rare to see. I mean, because we had, like, was originally, well,

originally, Des Moines was just true bank. Like, I don't think that was just Romania.

But a lot of times it was in title. Yeah, I said a lot of times they're combined with a disc

off manufacturers. Well, like, play it again in sports with Jonesboro. I think always had.

I don't know, maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I think that a lot of people don't realize,

like, maybe don't realize that, like, the title sponsors even up for grabs because it's so

uncommon for anything to get title sponsors beyond manufacturers. And maybe what people also

don't realize is, like, when you have these discraft great lakes opens, and you have these

MVP opens, like, that is the manufacturer basically helping out and purchasing those title

sponsors. Like, they are, they play a huge part in keeping the pro tour operational. And so when

you, like, these are a big sale. And when we can sell those outside companies, like, the goal is,

I mean, look at the PGA tour, like, the idea is that all of these title sponsors are purchased

by outside disc off companies. Like, that would be perfect. So I think it's like a super, super

pro look for this tournament. I mean, to some people, it might seem backwards. It's weird. Like,

oh, now it's called the bar was solved. And like, but this is the point. Like, the point is to

have these things named after these nonendemic sponsors. And so I think this is like this legitimizes

this event as one of the really big deals on tour that it's been able to do this. And I hope

to see this trick. I think this is like another really awesome step in the right direction for

the pro tour this year. Like, they're on fire right now. Yeah, that's all I was like, I'm wondering

how much of this is or if any is because of power ball as far as like the floodgates opening.

You know, like, okay, now we have a legitimized partner. Obviously, Barbosol already was like the

tour championship sponsor. And I've seen them doing like the closed shave replays and stuff. But

this is a whole nother step. So now that we have Barbosol here in the home to sweets, obviously,

presenting sponsor, much smaller sponsorships here. But the fact that they still were able to have

that not be a discraft or discmania or something like that. Like, that still speaks volumes,

in my opinion, because you're still going to have those manufacturers like helping these events

in some way, shape or form, because they want to be vending there. They want to be doing stuff like

that. And what this also allows for, I don't know if this will happen at the open at Austin. But

when you have a discraft, presents an event, a lot of times discrafts like the main vendor there.

But what it allows, in my opinion, when you have like no manufacturer tied to the event is it

could turn it into something where now all the manufacturers are involved there in some way, shape

or form, because it's not like, oh, this is a discraft event or this is a discmania event.

And so I don't know. I'm very excited about this. I'm hoping this is the first of many, probably not

this year. I would imagine that most of their stuff locked in this year. But I'm hoping this

is a sign of things to come where maybe for whatever reason, it's just disc golf is getting easier to

sell. The pros were getting easier to sell. Or if it's just, oh, well, since Powerball's in,

they see something we want to jump into. I'm not sure. Yeah. Well, admittedly, the timing is kind

of weird where you do wonder, I mean, open at Austin is around the corner. Like, it's not,

it's not as early as normal, but it's still in a few months. And so it is interesting to consider

like, how long has this deal been locked in? Is this something where it was like last second?

Like, hey, we just locked it in and we're still like, are we still trying to sell events on our

calendar this year? Or is this something they just chose the time at the kind of, at the beginning

of the season when the news cycle was a little bit heavier with disc golf fans? And if that is the

case, does that mean there are other title sponsor announcements that just hasn't happened yet?

Like, that kind of sets that precedent. You know, I wonder what the, I need to look at the

schedule now, because what was the open at Austin? Like, do they already have the logos for all

these out? You know what I'm saying? Like, you can scroll forward and look. Some of them, they did

not, but I feel like, I feel like that was early. Like, when they first announced the schedule,

because like, some of them didn't have names yet. Like, big, easy and the, and the Charlotte one

as well. Like, they didn't have names originally, but. Oh, interesting. So Northwest, I'm not

this loaded. I just have bad Wi-Fi Northwest. I thought had no logo, but it was just taking forever

to load. Yeah, it looks like the rest of them have logos in title sponsor. So I'm wondering,

I was very interesting. I wish I could see, I wish I could see the open at Austin without, like,

two weeks ago to see what the heck that logo was. You'd have to see if there was ever, like,

when they first sent out, I think when they first sent out, like, the schedule announcement email,

though, like, it's just a link. I don't think they had all the graphics in there. We need to go

into one of those, like, internet time capsule things and go back, but I didn't think about that,

until you mentioned it. But anyway, super exciting regardless of whether this was a last-minute

thing or if they've had this in the works for, for months, but hopefully to sign of things to come.

Let's get into the meat of the matter here. We've got to do our pick them

for the big, easy open coming up this week. We're down by 23, is that right?

We're down by a lot, I think, to tour life. And we're going to hopefully get it back here.

So basically, Edwin Stats, we aren't going to be able to put this on the screen because

Silas is not obviously producing this show. But Edwin has reworked all of the player values.

So we now have Ganon in the top tier. Really the big, I'll just highlight the changes. So Kyle

Klein has moved up a tier into the $4 tier, making him harder to pick. Sullivan, Tipton and Evan

Smith have both moved up a tier into the $2 tier, making them harder to pick. Ezra Robinson

and Ezra Aitor Hold have bumped down into lower tiers, making them easier to pick. So, like I

said, not going to be able to put it on the screen, but those are those changes. And then over on

FPO, Taylor Chosek has moved up into the $2 tier, making her a little bit harder to pick.

If you never watched the preview show or never watched tour life, basically we have a $10

budget for both MPO and FPO. We have to pick three players. Every player has a dollar value.

And they have to come in the top 10 to earn us points. And we go ahead to head this year, we're

doing a draft style. So whoever we pick here, tour life can't pick tomorrow night. Now at disc

south, I got the chance to talk to Silas Schultz, who is obviously Louisiana native. He's probably the

guy with the most education about this course. And I got to pick his brain and I told him like,

hey, I'm picking your brain because I have this pick him. And I was like, who is this course favor?

Who does this thing like? And he basically was like, I have no clue. I think this is unlike

anything the tours ever seen. But as he started talking, I started to kind of pick up on a few

hints. One thing he said is that it's going to be very important that players can keep their

composure. So players who like something bad happens to them and then they can get mentally get

themselves out of it. I would stay away from no offense to this player. I love him, but I think

I'm staying away from Ganon on that. I don't know if you're on the same train. It's all going to be

there. That's valid. That's valid. Also, he was talking, it seems that a lot of the woods are like

almost unfair woods where it's like super tight fairways. When you're off the fairway, it's like

super hard to scramble. It seems like scoring is going to be non-existent. I heard from like three

different pros that they think 15 under might win this tournament. It's a three-year-old event.

That's five under around. That would be crazy. That would make this by far the hardest course on

tour, which is what Silas told me. He said, I think this is going to play harder than anything we've

ever seen. So we also have to think about who does good on a hard courses and like weird wooded

courses. This course isn't fully wooded, but obviously this isn't the full preview show, but I'm

just kind of trying to give a bunch of context before we get into picks. So with all that in mind,

I have a few thoughts. I don't know if you thought through it a bunch.

I'm glad I'm out of time. Okay. One player I was thinking of is Ezra Robinson, mainly because

when I was looking back, I was looking at two courses for my data points, which is Northwood Black

and the new new London. Because I think both of those are going to kick you in the teeth. Both of those

are going to obviously play wooded where you have to hit gaps. They're going to make you manage

the course and they're definitely going to like throw you off. So you have to get used to not

scoring as much as you're used to. So I feel like both of those are good comps from that,

not necessarily. I mean, they're also long and this course is like 12,000 feet. This course is

so freaking long. So Ezra played very solid at new new London and at Northwood.

Problem with that. This would be our second time picking him. You can only pick a player eight

times this year. So I don't know if we want to use him twice this early or not.

I mean, it may slid him down a tier. So it honestly, it gets more tempting and realistically,

I think he is not a player that I would say checks out after an initial bad round. So I like that.

And also, like, I don't think he's a player. We're going to have to feel like we have to spam

every week. But him being in the $2 tier, like, if we're staying away from Ganon,

like, I think he's a no brainer, honestly, in the $2 tier.

Yeah, I like him there. The only other player I kind of like in the $2 tier is Chris Dickerson.

My logic there was I feel like if there's anyone on tour that has experience with the kind of

local courses that are hard just to be hard, which is kind of the vibe I was getting from players.

It's like, this is the pro tour version of that where it's like, yeah, there's not really a gap.

Yeah, there's not really a landing zone. You just kind of chuck a disc up there. And like,

that's where Dickerson literally survived off of in North Carolina in Tennessee Woods for years.

So maybe a bad line of thought there. He also has played very good in Northwood and New London

over the past. So I don't hate Dickerson there either in that $2 tier. But I do think we go two

from the $2 from the $4 tier and then one of those two in the $2 tier. It's kind of where I'm thinking.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of leaning like this is where I'm out of the top of my head as I'm looking at like

some two out of the three of

Rick Calvin Kyle and then Ezra. That's kind of where I'm at. Yeah. So the two players I had from

the $4 tier were Calvin Heimberg and Kyle Klein. Because another thing I kept picking up from

the undertones of players is apparently there's a lot of low ceiling shots. And for whatever reason,

whenever I hear low ceiling shots, I think of Calvin. I don't know if that's I showed or not,

but I always do. And so I like Calvin because there's also a lot of distance and low ceiling. So I

feel like that works well. And then Kyle Sneaky has played very good again at Northwood and

New London, the new new London. And he just had a good weekend at Olympus. So it's funny,

he has a lot of times you think of Kyle as like talking to himself when he messes up. So you

think like mental fortitude's not his forte. But apparently it is because these really hard

courses. He doesn't get super like washed out of events. Like him, Kyle and Ezra or him, Calvin and

Ezra, I feel like that's three guys who like consistently can climb back into tournaments to take

like fifth place when they were way down the leaderboard. And like I think that's what you might need at

this event. Where there are others that just will not do big leaderboard climbs like that. And so

I yeah, I like that three. I think that's like an off brand unassuming three from us. And that's

I think what we need now. This is going to be when they this is going to be when we leave like the

wide open like stock like they're just going to take a B Rick and like Simon and all three of them

are going to podium. They would wouldn't they. FPO is going to be just tricky. I don't really know

what to think about it. Because really the $7 tier I don't like Holland. I don't hate the idea of

Missy in a $7 tier. But obviously then we have to go to one and the $1 tier like half the FPO

feels apparently skipping this event. Edwin said like basically the $1 tier he was like I'm not

even going to fill it with pictures. You're just going to have to scroll because I'd have to bring

in so many new people because so many people aren't here. So I'm almost thinking we go.

We just I'm throwing this off the dome. But own scoggins Valerie Mandihano from the two $4 tiers.

And then we take like a I mean the $2 tier. I don't I don't think I like Taylor in the woods.

Maybe Ellie Ezra. What did she do? Was she good at Olympus or no?

Last week. Ellie Ezra. She's in the $2 tier on her. Hey what?

Yeah so it's Taylor Chosek who was one last week. But we're going into a super tight wouldsy.

Do you think that matters or no? Do you think just Sintaylor?

I got to be honest with you like I think any one of these FPO players could absolutely

bomb at like they could stink at this course. But I like if I'm I think if you're taking a shot in

that $2 tier like none of them have a chance of winning this tournament except for Taylor Chosek

because of last week. So we're going own scoggins Val Mandihano and Taylor Chosek.

Do we like that? Or do we like that? Two safe plays in an aggressive.

Okay I'm okay with Val that seems on brand for Val to win like and like kind of unexpected random one.

I would agree when I was looking at like this is going to be a random wouldsy type course. I was

like you know this could be the one that Val Mandihano gets gets going on. So okay I will submit

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we're going to be talking a little bit old school disc golf today you know we're all

infactuated with the disc golf pro tour but some of you might know about a little something called

the disc golf world tour it existed for two seasons 2016 2017 it was kind of the brainchild

of UC Marisma and to this day I mean the idea was to basically create a tour that kind of

encompassed events that already exists but also additive you in and it was like supposed to it

was supposed to have stops in different places in the world and they were standing and it was

like kind of cool but in any case over those two seasons there were some repeat events but there

were seven different events that occurred over those two seasons so I'm going to see how many

of those hunter can guess because this is kind of right in our sweet spot to when we were really

into disc golf so and hunters even been to one of these seven different ones is in like they

don't exist anymore or like no no like between the two seasons there were seven different events

even though some of them repeated um oh oh understood so some can repeat some were like just too

yes oh okay thank goodness I thought you meant like they only happened one of the two years

and I was like how good do you think I am well it started with the La Marada open I remember that

we had the Aussie open was a part of it I know that um we had the Kono Piste open

I think the European open was a part of it um yep to be honest with you I think USDGC was the finale

correct if I'm not mistaken so there's five um so I need to get the last two here um oh I'm

my bad there was only six so you don't need one more only one um okay this is probably

a Europe one it's got to be a Europe one give me the Scandinavian open not the Scandinavian open

there is some pretty electric coverage of this event in particular it took place in Sweden

was not the Swedish open was European master and it has yep there you go European masters

boom not too shabby yeah this guy still knows the world tour there you have it's funny the the

disc golf world tour was announced at USDGC in 2015 during Paul McBeth's ring ceremony and they

had him up there um or no he had a one yet he had a one USDGC yet it was during the ring ceremony

and then they brought Paul up and they had a like curtain thing over the disc golf world tour logo

and like you see announced it in Paul was the one like pulled it off because it was started at

La Marada which was like close to Paul's home in Huntington Beach um and yeah I went to the Aussie

open in 2017 because the tour started in 2016 the same year as the pro tour funny enough

went to the Aussie open in 2017 I got a due to peril disc golf world tour hat that I still have

hanging on my shelf back at home I need to break that out more you lecture um yeah you sure

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an interesting one that came out uh I saw this on disc golf fanatics post uh who he just runs a

a facebook page if you don't know who he is um and he came out where he had a screenshot from

teamo newtonin who is the owner of clash discs who made a post who kind of dispelled a rumours if

you will it's been going around because I don't know if we were a part of spreading them but I

definitely heard them and I might have repeated them at some point that clash disc was essentially

done with disc golf because there hasn't been new clash discs in a while they like really ramped

up production of how many mold they released how fast they released them and it's been hard

to find clash discs on the shelves so teamo teamo came out with um this post he said in recent weeks

there have been rumours circulating and clash discs has been shut down and the operations have

ended I want to address the situation directly and openly clash has not shut down disc golf disc

sales in general are currently at an unusually low level and the market is still adjusting after a

surge in demand and supply during the pandemic years and this situation has been response it has

been resp- in this situation it has been responsible to adapt our operations to the reality of the

current market clash will therefore continue operating but product development is

temporarily on hold however our focus is strongly on the future we are currently building a strategy

towards the 2027 season when we believe the market situation will have normalized our goals to

bring something new to the market of that season until then we will continue selling our current

lineup as usual during 2025 and 2026 I personally also have other projects but clash has not been

forgotten there is still a lot happening beneath the surface and even though things might look

quieter externally work continues towards the future I believe brighter years lie ahead for clash

for the industry as a whole disc golf is a passion driven sport and manufacturing discs is a

passion driven business thank you to everyone who follows ask questions and cares so thoughts on

that well yeah I mean I'm glad to hear it I thought clash was a really cool company there's not a

lot of there's really not as many disc golf companies these days with their own prairie proprietary

molding and manufacturing and so I think that they've always been a cool company I've always liked

that you know they are innovators you know they're like tone plastic was innovative and they had

some really cool stuff going I think they were you know they obviously hit disc golf at the right

time and I wasn't surprised like when people were spreading that around you know that they were

shutting down because they had other ventures like that didn't really shock me but I think it makes

sense you know if they already have kind of their setup it makes sense for them to just keep producing

just the stuff they have and selling it as it goes but disc golf is an interesting sport like right

now where it's super super competitive among the retailers if you don't have like crazy good

footing and I don't think clash quite yet had built that crazy good footing because you know they

had toyed around with sponsoring players like partial bags and stuff but you don't you probably

don't have enough people that are like die hard clash people to keep your brand relevant when there's

like 10 new ones every other day trying to grab that market share so I do think when they come back

in like if they take a year off and they come back in like their product is good so like at the

end of the day people like it would draw my interest back and I hope that they continue to kind of

like innovate and make some new exciting things but yeah I'm excited that they're still sticking

around because I always thought they had good stuff it's just yeah never quite

caught on hard enough for like that's kind of how it was a little too easy for us to notice

that they had things that got a little quiet because you don't see people throwing clash like for

while it was a little bit of the talk of the town but it faded a little bit more like a trend

than a longtime player yeah it is interesting just hearing him kind of talk through it

because I feel like the I feel like the retailers at least and maybe we're just different but I feel

like from the retail side and then talking to manufacturers it's almost like we're seeing two

different sports because I almost feel like the retailers are the one that got hit first when

the everything slowed down and then we're also the ones that are getting hitting hit first when

everything's picking back up so it's almost like it's a delayed reaction to the manufacturers because

everything slowed down obviously it's going to take us as retailers a while for our purchasing

too slow right because you still have the stuff on your shelf and stuff like that it's people

aren't buying direct from the manufacturers as much to buying direct from retailers so there's

a middleman there and then the same thing when it's picking back up but we still have stock so that's

starting to sell again and so it's a delayed reaction to the manufacturers as far as retailers buying

them again and I think clash mainly if I'm not mistaken I think clash mainly distributes

through retail partner in the US and that retail partner is also a retailer and so if they just

had huge amounts of clash inventory their sales actually might have picked back up well in advance

because now they have two middlemen because they have us and all the other like normal retailers

ordering from this bigger retailer that's a distribution partner and then they have to order

from clash so our sales have to pick up to this one dwindle their stock before they so it's almost

like a delayed chain reaction to clash because I think that a lot of stuff you say I'm like brother

that's like two years ago that what you're talking about and like the market has normalized and

started to grow I've talked to a bunch of different manufacturers obviously I'm not going to like

spoil who they are but like a lot of manufacturers this weekend at disc south and even ones that you

would have thought we're going to be doom and gloom we're like hey things are stabilizing things

are normalizing and we're actually starting to trend back upwards and again I think that that's

what we already saw and we were on the side of like why is everyone still freaking out but we're the

front lines we have media and retail so we're the ones that are going to see that brought first and

it's gonna take a while to get back to the manufacturers and so I did I didn't think it was interesting

here and talk about that I also think it's interesting that they're like we have stuff in the works

we're just planning it for 2027 so it's basically like they're going to be starting over

there's obviously going to be people that are like excited like hey clash is back but it is

weird of you just whatever market share you did have you're going to just kind of abandon

to a certain extent and then try to regain it back in 2027 I mean it sounded like they're still

going to have their stock stuff but I don't know it's an interesting play to just be like hey 2026

expect nothing new from us 2027 you'll see something I don't know it's weird to me

yeah and they always like they were always an interesting company too because like they were

not super easy to be in contact with like we tried to do some like collaborate in certain ways

and it wasn't super easy to do so and so I think they left some opportunity on the table and then

you know they ran advertising on the pro tour which is not inexpensive and it was honestly kind of

higher production compared to what a lot of companies do as well their commercials weren't bad at

all so it's like I think they're operating as I still like whether regardless of what they say

like I think there's a little bit of corporate jargon going on and honestly I wouldn't be surprised

as disc golf wasn't like yeah sure I believe in the sense that maybe it wasn't dead but it might

have been more on the back burner until all of a sudden they start hearing their name in the

in the news a little bit and being like oh people are still talking about this golf thing I guess

maybe we do need to like bring that back like you know it's it's it's tough to say because it's not

like it's that difficult for them to be like oh people are chatting about us let's run a few more

this with these molds we already have it's not you know impossible to do that

yeah no that it's definitely an interesting one but I'm excited they're coming back in some

way shape or form because they they had some very interesting stuff like the steady ring stuff

which is like their halo but it was like multiple layers I think that's pretty interesting and then

obviously like Trevor was talking about earlier the tone plastic was was very unique in the sense

that it had the like two different plastic we've actually seen more companies starting to do

stuff similar with project grip and I know I know it's not exactly similar but as far as like the

ram feels different than the flight plate and stuff like that like we've seen companies start

to do stuff similar but clash was kind of the first to step into that with the tone plastic so

I'm excited that the company that's doing those things like the steady ring and tone are hopefully

you know going to be doing some more innovative stuff so speaking of innovation we've got innovation

that might be good might be bad um coming to the big easy open uh which is the tea pads I wish I

could share my screen um I just without Silas I can't show you these so if you're interested in

what I'm about to talk about and this sounds absolutely ludicrous to you please just google big easy

open tea pads and you'll find them um you might be like oh I accidentally pulled up a landing

strip at an airport by accident nope you're looking at the right thing uh so this is from John

Howe who designed the course here job very famous disc golf designer um so he created these

tea pads and he's actually branded them so HD 007 is the bigger one which stands for Howe

Design 007 um and these things are interesting so the idea behind them I actually kind of like

which is basically it's to help kind of the erosion around the tea pad it we can probably all

think of a tea pad our local course that the tea pads not as long for a run up as you would like

so everyone starts off the back corner and then runs onto the tea pad and yet and seen it yet

no oh no uh so the idea behind it is like we probably all have that tea pad right where you have

the tea pad and then you walk off the back corner and everyone starts on the same and so it starts

to a road away off the tea pad and so he's basically like well the back is where we need it the

widest so it's a really wide back and then gets more narrow towards the front and then also has

more concrete off the front where when you follow through your foot hit so it's protecting

everything around it to help reduce erosion what makes it ridiculous is he painted I say he

they painted the tea pad area in the middle good but then they approach they painted all these

approach lines on it like 75 degrees 60 degree how many like inches or feet or whatever's in between

the 90 and it just looks it looks silly like if I'm just being completely honest with you uh the

all the approach lines that they're reasoning behind it was to kind of help players help fans and

help the broadcast I didn't really know I needed to know a player's approach angle on the broadcast

but hey I guarantee you we're going to hear it at least once or twice now that they have this in

their back pocket so now that you've seen it travel your thoughts yeah I mean it's it's a little

absurd yeah they approach lines I can't wait to hear one of the three nates reference those like as

if they've been talking about it their whole lives uh but the thing is I could see people getting

worked up about the tea pad things because like there's this question of like like okay how big is

too big of a tea pad and clearly these guys were like nothing like we're going to the moon here

it looks like it could go to the moon uh but what I will say is the the problem is and and with the uh

with these expanded tea pads you still have to throw from within the red area yes okay so with

that being said because that is still standardized you're allowed as a player to run up

100 feet away from the tea pad if you want it to as long as you end up on it so I think

whatever you want behind and like kind of to the sides the tea pad is totally fair game it's

it's up to how you want to design the course um and at the end of the day it's really not give it

like yes it gains all the players an advantage but it's not an advantage over the rules of the

pdga because they still are just going to have to lay end up landing in the designated throwing

area before they like release because it'd be one thing if we were seeing tea pads

that were like legitimately cheating the rule and it's like the guys are getting throws off from

like five feet left of where they should be able to and then then we have a problem because

things are getting cheated in that regard but yeah I think I think the look is a little silly um

I mean it looks like you could play a game of three on three on that first tea pad and you

obviously you have the lines as well so you might even go to uh to establish where the paint is

but I don't know I listen innovation in disc golf I'm a huge fan of it I'm a huge fan of people

just trying stuff I think that the lines are goofy I think the big tea pads look a little absurd but

the players are probably going to think it rocks and you know it is it is what it is like it's not

it's not gonna it's not gonna hurt anything in my opinion so I'm like let's let's innovate things

as much as possible change things up as long as it's not like sacrificing the integrity of the sport

and I don't think that this isn't anyway and frankly apparently this course is super long and

impossible so maybe a little help uh we much appreciate it yeah I think that like I said I like the

idea of it right uh because it's protecting the course from the erosion and stuff like that it's

giving players more spot to run up on um I showed this to Brodie yesterday and he immediately was

like why didn't they just make the outside one color and the inside leave is concrete so it's

just like black and white because it is gonna be a little confusing on the broadcast I think because

we never see this of just like there's so many lines that someone who just comes in and doesn't

really know what's going on might just be like why are they all throwing from right there when

they can throw from anywhere uh versus like if the whole outside was just like stained red and then

the actual tea pad part in the middle was just normal concrete it would do the exact same thing

functionality wise but provide a clear message of like you can't go in here you throw from here um

yeah I don't know I think the lines is all the lines are all I don't like the tea pad it is what

is like it's kind of cool uh it it who cares uh the lot the approach lines are just like all right

what what are we doing it is one of those things that's going to be interesting to watch with like

this is a you know course that obviously a lot of time and money was put into and we've seen

this in small ways with other privately owned courses where you have disc golf which at its core

is a very inexpensive course to put in because the baskets and tea pads and signage is really all

you need beyond transforming the land that's where a lot of the labor actually comes in and so I think

these guys get bored because like if I were legitimately wealthy like if I had I could put in

golf course money but I want to do disc golf like there's only so much you can do and you're

just sitting there and you're like well what have we made the tea pads like three times the concrete

because we only need 18 of them like it's not that big of a deal so like I feel like the more we see

privately owned disc golf courses with a lot of equity thrown at it you're going to start to see more

and more stuff that's like absurd like oh why don't we make our baskets even more chains and you know

this and that so I mean heck I want to see a first tea pad that's an LED screen I mean come on

might as well I'll probably happen to European disc golf festival what is interesting is this

course is a park course but the parks and rec department from what I understand is like basically

giving free reign to them like I I was talking again to Silas and he was telling me about like

some of the things that are going on out here that the parks department it's something

the most supportive parks department I've ever heard of I mean I legitimately if I understood

the story right they wanted a pond in for a water feature on one of the holes and it got put in

the wrong place and they came out of like oh crap this is the wrong and they moved the pond

they just filled part of it and then dug it and they moved upon for it like if that's crazy so to

see something like this yeah like to your point it's probably just like hey we almost have the

infinite money glitch right here what are we gonna do with it it's like well what if we made

the tea pads a hundred feet wide you know like it it is probably like that but what's what does

nothing that's interesting to me is I thought the pro tour standardized the like turf tees

or these are moving towards it so it's interesting to get to this tournament a new one on tour and

to see it not only not be the like standard turf but actually be like a whole another new thing

that's concrete that's weird to me too yeah why I didn't know like they've been using that

exact same brand yeah and I thought that maybe there was a partnership there that just isn't in

place at this current time like I don't know what the deal was I mean I think that

part of what makes that like the turf standard thing important is that it creates a

very usable acceptable playing field no matter where they go whereas like if you have brand new

nice concrete tees at a course like this I mean everybody's gonna probably agree that that's okay but

I'd be interested to hear if like there's that players out there that really dislike the concrete

and like the turf if they're like hey this is kind of ridiculous like we play all year long

on turf this is what we're used to and then it's like tennis man you got majors on different surfaces

what are we doing yeah I just remember that was a thing when it might even when worlds was coming

um it was a really big deal about the turf because I remember I went out to I was on the phone

with high-enold at some point because I went out to check on the turf installation and I was like

I don't understand what's wrong with this turf like but it's not working right and I discovered

that it was installed backwards and so they had like flip it around but the whole point of that

turf was like this is kind of the protor standard turf and even the guy who like owned that

company like was sending us samples of the turf and it was like this is the protor standard turf

and it seemed like everything was going that way so that yeah there you go so that's what surprised

me when I saw this concrete was I was like I thought we kind of all agreed on and like started to

standardize this for the protor um I agree I don't think that this year it's gonna be a big deal

because brand new concrete it's my favorite to play on I like concrete more than turf um but

you do hear a lot more complaints from pros about concrete a lot of it actually comes to the shoe

durability they just say like they if they're playing on concrete all the time they just fly through

shoes because it just eats it up the pivoting on that rough concrete but it also does come from

like wearing down you have these slick spots that form on the tee pad where it's just like everyone

pivots on the same spot and it wears down that spot and then it if it's a little wet it just

becomes super slick so I don't think it's gonna be an issue this year but if this is the tournament

it's on the tour every year for an extended time like that could become an issue at some point

and it doesn't look like this would be easy to just replace the turf tee pad we had to basically

get a whole high school field for like two t's huh yeah yeah that would be it'd be a lot of turf

that is for sure all right well that wraps up all the topics for today's episode probably after

the big easy open this weekend we can kind of get into our power rankings a little bit more once

we have two tournaments under our belt because I saw where the pro tour put out their standings

and I'm like there's no point in highlighting the standings week one is you just use post of

the Supreme Fight open leaderboard um but after week two we can kind of start looking at some power

ranking see who's starting the season well uh the preview show this week Trevor is running it by

himself is that correct yep yep so solo dolo trev on the big easy open preview show coming a little

bit later this week once Trevor has some more knowledge about the course I'm hoping some practice

rounds start to come out so then instead of it just being a bunch of speculation because with discs

south it was actually super interesting there's so many pros here and I was talking to all of them

like hey what do you what do you think of this new new course coming up what do you think and all

of them were just like I know nothing about it I have no clue yeah uh one of them who switched to a

new manufacturer I was talking to um was like dude I'm I'm gonna be locked in my games feeling good

all that was like well are you just a new dish yet and they're like no no no but I'll get there

and I was like you realize a tournament starts in like four days and they're like oh yeah maybe

don't pick me this week maybe wait a few weeks and I was like yeah okay if you I don't think people

realize like oh I'm leaving Dallas Sunday and I got a tee off on like Friday like I got like a few

days to learn what is apparently the hardest course of wherever gonna play so it's gonna be an

interesting one and I don't think any pros are really there very few because a lot of guys are

playing the throw down the mountain down in Florida still see it people in Florida you had people

in Dallas so it might just be bless you the players who actually are there right now on Sunday

Monday Tuesday are the ones with the biggest advantage it could be very interesting but hopefully

practice on start coming out and we can start learning a little bit more about this course before

the preview show so tune into that that'll come out on Thursday and then we'll be back in studio

next Monday to recap everything that went down with the big easy open we'll talk you then

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