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From Epstein to Prince Albert of Monaco-Wealth & Power on immoral ground
The mystery surrounding Jeffrey Epstein continues—especially when it comes to Zorro Ranch, his secluded New Mexico compound that many believe never received the scrutiny it deserved. While other Epstein properties were heavily investigated, questions remain about what may have happened at the remote ranch and why it was largely overlooked.
In this episode, investigative journalist and former intelligence chief Robert Eringer joins the conversation. Having built Monaco’s first intelligence service for Albert II, Prince of Monaco, Eringer witnessed firsthand how power, wealth, and influence can shield elite figures from consequences.
We explore the darker side of elite networks, corruption, and the unanswered questions surrounding Epstein’s empire.
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The Epstein story is the one the government insists is finished or doesn't need further investigation.
But some of the most troubling questions were never fully investigated. Now in court documents
made public in 2019, Virginia Goffrey accused former New Mexico governor, US Energy Secretary Bill
Richardson of sexual misconduct tied to Jeffrey Epstein's trafficking network. Richardson denied
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Hi, welcome to another episode of Mysteries Mayhem. Amber Lowe, I'm your host, Winnie Schrader.
Well, tonight I wanted to get a guest on. I love the whole espionage, James Bond, Mission Impossible,
all the, you know, secret operatives, that kind of stuff. And you know, like with this whole Epstein
issue, there has to be some type of intelligence group that is working all this out to stay under
the radar. And I figured, why not get a guest who is an expert on how these, these networks of
people operate. And I got author Robert Aringer on who wrote the book, The Spymaster of Monte Carlo,
he was the one who built the first intelligence service for Prince Albert II. So obviously,
he knows what he's talking about. And he knows the inner workings of how these, how the,
how these people stay underground and work these networks to, to obtain the goal that they want now.
And the Epstein case is obviously to keep people, you know, hidden the secret society they had.
I don't even know. I mean, the Epstein files, it just, it gets more shocking, the more stuff comes out.
But I wanted to welcome Robert to the show. So welcome to the show, Robert.
Thank you, Winnie. And thank you for having me.
Yeah. So the book The Spymaster of Monte Carlo, you obviously, so you put a whole intelligence
agency together for the Prince of Monaco. Did Monaco not have any type of, of agency that protected
the monarchy at all or? Monaco did not have an intelligence service. It had merely a, a police
department. And inside the police department were three men who ran a political units, who I ended
up working with once I went to work for Albert, but that you wouldn't consider them. They were doing
local intelligence, I would say, but not the kind of intelligence Albert needed and why he retained
me in June of 2002 to first be his intelligence advisor and keep him informed about certain things.
And then later when he ascended the throne, and that wasn't until April 2005, after his father
Prince Rainier passed away, so that he, at that point, I had the green light to create the
Monaco intelligence service, which was still unofficial, because we wanted, we did not want to be
part of the government structure. Albert wanted me to report only to him and be outside the workings
of Monaco's government. Was he, was he, did he feel kind of paranoid by the, I guess, behind
the monarchy, was he afraid that people that want him at the head of throne or, I mean, did he feel
no, he had no fears like that, although he, he should have, because there were things going on
at the time that might have circumvented his, his ascension to the throne. But no, he was perfectly
relaxed, but, but was concerned in two particular areas. One, there had been a Russian surge into
the French Riviera, which includes Monaco at that time, and, and he was concerned that it would,
it would attach itself to Monaco. They had mostly been along the French Riviera in, in Nice and
Con, hadn't quite gotten to Monaco yet, but concerned him. He also had concerns about the kind of
people who were trying to barge their way into his inner circle, his orbit. Everybody in Monaco
plays a game called who can brown their nose the deepest. And everybody wants to be Prince
Albert's friend. There are so many people who call themselves Prince Albert's best friend. And
he's constantly fighting him off. So, when a newcomer would come along, especially from some
country elsewhere, he, he felt he should know more about them. And that was his second main reason
for bringing me in. Okay. Yeah, because you always think of Monaco, you always think of this kind of
exotic kind of, not tropical, but just, you know, that a brilliant, it's like glamorous nightlife
elegant, you know, and you always think of seeing it in spy movies. They're always playing
back rack. James Bond movies, especially, yeah, features, features heavily. And of all the
micro-states of Europe, none of which had, I discovered, their own intelligence service,
like Monaco. They were dependent on other countries. But it's, it's where the Russians and others
up to no good money laundering mostly would want to be, as opposed to, say, Lichtenstein or Endora
or Luxembourg, which aren't quite as glamorous nor have the amenities and the fine weather that
Monaco enjoys. Okay. Yeah, it doesn't seem like it's a bad job location to be at. I could tell you
that. I enjoyed it. I've been there before. And I kept a safe house there, which is where we had
all of our meetings where Albert would be briefed and where when we had visiting members of other
intelligence services would meet. And it's also, I used it as a place to sleep when I was in Monaco.
I actually lived in London at the time and commuted back and forth between London and Monaco.
Sometimes on a weekly basis, specifically because Albert wanted me as invisible as possible.
He didn't want the government to know about the existence of his intelligence advisor. And even
later, his own intelligence service. Wow. So I mean, okay. So you're setting up this intelligence
agency basically under the radar because he doesn't, well, what was the reason he did not want
the Monaco government to know of his intelligence agency that he had protecting him? And
because they wouldn't want him to have an intelligence agency. They wouldn't want him to have an
intelligence advisor. They wanted him to rely only on what they told him about what was going on.
And in fact, even before I entered the picture, nobody was telling him anything. He was just the
hereditary prince. Even his own father, who was unwell his last few years, didn't really keep him
in contact. Yet here was Albert flying to all parts of the world for stately occasions and
knowing a little about the leaders of such countries that he was meeting. I was able to provide
him briefings so that he knew what he was walking into from that point onward.
Oh, okay. So you're kind of like his go-to person for all things, for information, for security,
for now, with that being said, was he using your talents and capabilities to help him
find out information within the workings of the government that they were trying to keep from him?
Well, yeah, no, good question. That came later. In an area I really should never have gotten
involved in because primarily I was foreign intelligence and that is who's coming from foreign
countries. Where's he going that he needs to be briefed about? I got into the inner workings of
Monaco's government after he ascended the throne and began vetting people who would continue to
remain in government and also people who would help him run the palace. And that is when we ran
into a lot of corruption and found out exactly why Albert always wanted us to be outside the
government system reporting only to him because we found that they were terribly corrupt.
And he wanted to do something about it, which is why I know that say the third reason he brought me in
initially was to help him clean up the principality. He determined that once he became the monarch
that he would introduce and he used this line at his investiture, a new ethic to Monaco.
And to do that properly he needed to have the kind of information about who was
rotten, who was dirty in Monaco that needed to be got rid of.
Wow, that's scary to think that somebody who is, you know, I know a lot of times now it's like
monarchies are just more like figureheads than anything because you know like with the British
monarchy you have parliaments, you know, they pretty much control what happens, you know,
so everyone thinks they're just kind of fearless but he really wanted to be involved with the
workings of the government but obviously they were kind of put a fork in that.
Well, he thought he did and the constitution allows him to do that. In fact Monaco is one of the
last remaining absolute monarchies in the world. I don't think Albert ever understood the power
that he had and instead relied on the government who unfortunately continues to this day to run
circles around him. That came up later when we were doing corruption and after we got into it and
discovered that Monaco is very corrupt indeed, Albert took a step back and decided well maybe it
wasn't such a good idea to try to clean things up. That is why I eventually ended my work for Albert
after five and a half years because it turned out in the end he didn't have the backbone
to stand up to the corruption and clean it up like he said he would.
So with you going through and vetting and finding all this information, especially
within the corruption of the government, was there stuff that you were pretty shocked by
that you came across or was it kind of the typical political corruption wheel that we see on a
day-to-day basis? It reached a point it was so shocking it just became amusing. It became funny because
just when you thought you'd heard it all then there was something else coming along. You have to
remember Monaco is a rather intriguing place not just because of being featured in James Bond
movies and being glamorous but you have nationalities from over a hundred countries who live
in what is the most expensive place in the world to own real estate and you had a confidential
and still do a confidential banking system that they all those who were up to no good wanting to
wander their money clamor to be part of as a way of laundering money. So you had all of this
intrigue going on and everybody from everywhere who had loads and loads of money that needed
laundering hanging out there living there part of the year trying to become residents trying to
join the princes orbit it was it was fascinating I really enjoyed the whole experience.
Wow yeah I mean I mean your life itself kind of plays like a Bond movie. I mean think about it I
mean it's just you know trying to find the corruption and get rid of it but you can't because
people there's so it's everybody so intertwined with each other it's hard to you know upset the
apple card that's amazing and it's all that you the stuff you were finding wow. Again especially
with Monaco so closely knit the Monagasks who live in Monaco are outnumbered by about seven to
one by everybody else who lives there in fact there are more Italians who live in Monaco than
Monagasks the Monagasks themselves are very tightly knit which which was part of the problem when it
came to trying to clean up the corruption because here we were reporting to Albert that some of
his closest advisors his own personal lawyer and the palace accountant and various ministers
running the the ministries were all very corrupt and yet these were people that Albert knew from
when he was a little boy and went to school with and I think that ultimately what happened is
after listening to his talk about cleaning it up and realizing that he really meant it especially
when word eventually got out that he had a little his own little intelligence service that was
getting to the bottom of everything you can imagine they they went to him and they said Albert don't
you get it this is this is how we do things in Monaco this is this is how we make money this is
our bread and butter and you're doing what you're doing you're messing with our rice bowls so
please stop desist and he listened and then he drifted away from from our influence and what we
were doing even though by this time I'd created liaison relationships with 20 different foreign
intelligence agencies including our own CIA and the British MI6 the French DST the Italians
cis me they're foreign intelligence service they they would come to Monaco at 48 hours notice
to brief Prince Albert and me on any topic that he wanted to know more about and unfortunately
taking the action that he did stepping away from cleaning the place up is he walked away from all
of those relationships oh wow that's kind of sad to think that it was just like easier for him
just to stick with the status quo than to actually make some positive changes for the country
and the reason for that was not just because corruption had always been a way of life in Monaco
but he Albert himself had no backbone he has no backbone he was never truly interested I discovered
in the fairs of state more interested in just having affairs his his his social life his personal life
always came first and it seemed like even when he was sitting in his intelligence briefings
learning awesome things from very senior officials from intelligence services it looked like his
mind was on whatever his date was going to be that night not taking the job seriously apparently
well and yet the first indication of that was after his father passed away and Albert ascended the throne
he didn't stand up and take charge he didn't I don't think he knew quite what to do even though
I and a few others who were I consider the good guys around him were saying look you've got to
you got to make your move now and consolidate your power and let everybody else know you're in charge
instead he chose to abide by or at least his rationale was well I have to go through a six-month
morning period which for him meant hanging out at the family farm in the the Alps behind Monaco
on in in France and importing a sea sand in for his volleyball court
he just did take his he didn't take his new role seriously he didn't know how to stand up to
anybody he's a very shy man and and it explains partly his stutter that's always plagued him
and he he avoids confrontation so he won't he won't call somebody in and have it out with them
it just very just very laxed asical with no backbone when it came to exerting power which is
position allowed for it yeah you kind of you have to have some type of backbone to to take
leadership especially doing things that you not everybody likes but you're going to do it because
it's the right thing to do and yeah obviously he feels short and that when it came to his leadership
skills yes now he just falls into that puddle of corruption like everybody else sadly that's exactly
what happened he for instance he appointed to be the head of the judiciary the justice
well what the equivalent of what we call the attorney general justice minister even though we
determine that that individual was very very corrupt and he was already a senior judge
and he was already ahead of Monaco's red cross where he which he appeared to be stealing from
and we briefed Albert we investigated it and even the the fall unit I mentioned in Monaco's
police department was in on this and and we I practically pled with him not to make that
appointment I told him if he did it would one day come back to hunt him and it would be it would
be very bad for his legacy sure enough Albert went ahead and made him the justice minister of Monaco
and about 10 years later the French media exposed that person for rampant corruption
and he had to resign or be fired but he resigned first in disgrace and Albert was made to look
the fool that he was forever having hired him in the first place
god yeah you should listen don't you hate it when you have to say I told you so
well you know you could only you know what they say you can you can bring a horse to water
you can't make it drink it was our job to make sure that Albert was as well informed as he could
possibly be and we did a quite amazing job on a shoe string of a budget to make him extremely
well informed but finally given the information he needed to crack down on the persons in Monaco
who should have been cracked down on or who shouldn't have been appointed to very very significant
positions in Monaco's government he fell far short and shot himself in the foot to a point
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affairs and you know his social life was so important and you know with you obviously having to
vet a lot of the people that are coming in and out of his life how like how did that play out and
how did like how did that tie him with this whole Epstein circles I mean was he was he listed it
in any of the documents or was it just kind of associated by people they all knew no no no it almost
surprises me that Albert has never been named in any any of the Epstein files his is never
cupped and that surprised me because he would have been very ripe for the kind of thing Epstein was
up to what was revealing to me later on of course but early on when I when I saw it was
was how how Andrew formerly Prince Andrew was Albert's closest contact and friend in the
British Royal family and the reason for that we all knew at the time was because of their
mutual interest in women and and let's face it Andrew was known for years and years for decades
by the satirical fortnightly private eye as Randy Andy that was his nickname long before Americans
knew about him and Epstein he was Randy Andy to the British public Albert fits into that same
paradigm of of bachelor's Albert was a bachelor at the time that I was working for him who who enjoyed
let's show we say the interviewing process for princess okay so he just like to he just like to
have I armed candy on when he had big events and things like that and just he would just go
through women like crazy or I'd say go through women like crazy not necessarily bring them out to
the various gallows of the of Monaco but yes women like crazy okay and it was did he ever like Mary
I know much about Prince Albert other than that he his behavior seemed very much like Prince Andrew
well former former Prince Andrew he got his title strip from and for good measure because
that guy is something else so yeah you finally got married it was after I was working for him
he's still married although as far as I understand it the the marriages a bit of a sham I don't know
if that's true it's only what I've heard I don't really pay a lot of attention to Monaco anymore
I did in fact writing this book was kind of the cathartic exercise of once and for all be done
with with everything to do with Monaco but yes he did get married he does have twins a boy and a girl
so he's got an heir who will succeed him one day and and it's a it's perhaps in a strange
to marriage oh okay so yeah it's kind of just a marriage a name only type thing and seems to be the
case but like I said I don't keep track of it so much anymore and that's more of a gossipy thing
than it is the kind with the kind of substance that we were dealing with when I was working for him
okay so now the people that have been surround that would surround themselves around
for itself but when you were working there now did you come across anything of like
like the Epstein stuff the illegal activity geared I don't even know what to call I mean a sex
trafficking a human trafficking but it's I don't even know what to call what I mean it's just
disgusting what yeah no no here I yeah I think I understand your question and yes in passing
because of concern to me was Albert's security so for instance if you were to visit Russia
one would have to assume that his hotel room would be bugged and whatever he was doing with
women or men would be recorded possibly with a view to one day leveraging him into making a favorable
decision their way and it alarmed me when I'd heard that Alba that a so-called friend of
Albert's member of the name of Gocha Adavati not from Russia from Georgia the Republic of
Georgia which used to be part of the Soviet Union but he lived in Moscow, New Putin rented out
a whole brothel in Moscow for Albert and his friends to celebrate his birthday
that was a 2004 2005 and that concerned me because I had been cautioning him about even just
you know being on a trip in Russia and whatever he was doing some stately affair of just
not doing anything in his hotel room that he'd want to come back and haunt him because it would
almost 100% be taped so that that was that was fairly alarming and then there was
another place that I understood he used to go to an eyes-white shut kind of place in a town
by it called Stankajiano outside of Florence owned by Gocha again the the same man from Georgia
secretly he didn't want to have it in his name because he was trying to escape from taxes in
Russia but it was it was his and I visited the place to check it out to see what it was all about
and it was all filled with erotica that remind me completely of Stanley Kubrick's movie Eyes White
Shut and then lo and behold I then began hearing whispers about yeah this Albert's been here and
this is where a lot of these folks come for orgies and so on and then I heard other things and
this is hearsay I'm not saying it is fact but I'd heard that that many many women that there was
a modeling agency in Paris that recruited women even underage women especially to go down for these
porties who grows I know I don't understand how why these people in these elite positions you know
people that are part of a monarchy or presidents or leaders of countries they're so into this
weird underground sex trafficking stuff it's just bizarre to me that it seems like there's this
commonality between being like this elite person and then doing these weird group sex things that
I just don't understand and looking at Prince Albert's self because I was you know going through
news articles I'm just like yeah like you said it's very much like Stanley Kubrick's Eyes White
Shut movie is like the secret society that it's hidden there's like secret passwords and here's
why here's why I'll explain it to you and it's not necessarily a power elite thing it's a
celebrity thing and and I'll explain that in that when you can when when if you're Prince Albert
and you can have sex pretty much all the time with any woman you want and they're all throwing
themselves at you on the basis some of them believe that they there they may be the next princess
of Monaco the threshold for excitement grows ever higher so that if you're in that category where
you're an a-list Hollywood star or you're a member of a royal family like Andrew or Albert just
playing ordinary sex doesn't do it anymore and then you get into other stuff and then you get
into kinkier stuff and then you get into even kinkier stuff and the threshold keeps rising
the more free sex is for you the easier it is to get and that would be why what you're muddling
with the power elite it's more of a celebrity thing celebrities who never have a problem
getting a date and having sex yeah that's just it's I find it just interesting how it's just the
correlation between you know these type of people and the things that they do and you see it across
the board and it like it's coming on the obscene files who's been involved I mean these top top people
and it's just like oh god why are some of the stuff that it's in those documents I'm like oh my god
that's so bizarre and to know that you know I mean like it's it's very common I guess I mean you
see it a lot and you know you having kind of first-hand account with Prince Albert being his
bright-hand man for what five years to study work for five and a half years yeah I mean I
can't imagine it was frustrating for me because well I was trying my best to keep him in form but
also keep him out of trouble but I think he just he didn't care he threw caution of the wind
and just did what he whatever he wanted to do and interesting I see that this partly is about
the Epstein files in Zoro Ranch Zoro Ranch Epstein's plate branch out into Mexico is also
an eyes wide shut kind of place to my thinking and why it is not been investigated
till now boggles the mind because while you had Little St. James the island in the Caribbean
and his New York townhouse and his Palm Beach home rated investigated search everything
taken away as far as I can tell nobody's ever nobody's touched Zoro Ranch and and now
what almost seven years after he I'll say murdered because I don't believe that he was a suicide
only now are they finally is New Mexico under pressure the state of New Mexico the legislature
has decided that they should go in and search the grounds not least because out of the Epstein
files came an email that was a tip off to the FBI that two foreign young women who were at Zoro
Ranch are buried nearby now that was 2019 I don't know well one can guess as to why the FBI didn't
investigate I have my own suspicions I'll tell you what they are you had a couple things going on
one newsweek is reporting today that the DOJ in 2019 quashed an investigation in Zoro Ranch
maybe true because the way I heard it and I believe it's true is New Mexico state police were
investigating and the DOJ demanded to take over the investigation and give it to the FBI
and it's and the New Mexico state police objected to that and instead of handing it over to the
FBI they closed it down well why why did they close it down I can only put it down to the fact that
former New Mexico governor Bill Richardson was one of those accused by Virginia Gufre the lady
who accused the man who used to be a prince Andrew of having sex with her when he was seven when
she was only 17 she said it was the same with Bill Richardson that she was she was Ed Zoro Ranch
and Bill Richardson had sex with her when she was only 17 okay well all right Bill Richardson
wasn't governor in 2019 he'd already served as two terms up but you can imagine he had an awful
lot of influence in New Mexico still he denied the allegation by the way but so did Andrew and
Andrew now looks like a total jerk for for all of his denials nobody believes him anymore and
everybody's for a hundred percent convinced that Virginia Gufre was telling the truth so if she
was telling the truth about Andrew she was probably also telling the truth about Bill Richardson
why make it up why lie and he he he he he's gone now as I said he died at a kind of a young age
he was only 72 or 73 at his at his summer home in Chad of Massachusetts of what has only been
described ever in the media as natural causes and I'm not quite I nobody knows why beyond quote
unquote natural causes Bill Richardson died I call it a slightly suspicious death and I'm not a
paranoid sort of things everybody's been murdered but I find it odd I also know that he probably
understood himself that his legacy was in ashes and deserved to be because because I piece things
together certain dipitously but I happen to be in Santa Fe New Mexico in May of 2023 a few months
before Bill Richardson died then I'm talking to the bartender the the really nice hotel they're
called the Anasazi hotel probably the nicest one in Santa Fe nice bar talking to the bartender
so Bill Richardson comes in here and drinks all the time I said oh cool what's he like I had no
interest I'd never really was interested in the Epstein files very much before so I wasn't there
as an investigative reporter just happened to be staying there drinking there and he's oh well he
you know he drinks too much he comes in and he has too much to drink and he's very argumentative
with other customers and I set me thinking here's the guy who knew his legacy was in tatters
the dig was up the truth was going to come out eventually and although he may have done all
he could to suppress it including possibly ensuring that Zoro Ranch was never investigated as it
should have been and then I was just a few months later I don't know maybe it was from drinking too
much but he was not a he was not a happy man in the end he knew what he'd done I think and he
knew it was going to come out eventually or rather it had come out he knew that eventually down
the road his denials would would fall on hollow ears yeah well and yeah I maybe he was just kind
of carrying that guilt and realized man we screwed up big time you know seems to me seems to me
that would be the case yeah yeah and yeah did not have that place fully investigated right away
seems bizarre and it's like okay who who's gonna benefit from that this place not being
investigated right away who's gonna benefit from you know things not still being left under the
rug and absolutely and now it may have been the worst place of all of his places because now the
witness witness testimonies are coming out from the Epstein files suggesting not only the
possibility of dead bodies but but human experiments with with women being experimented on
nested ties and put out and and being experimented their reproductive organs perhaps messed with
that's that's what's now being suggested and in fact only it was today big news today is that
the New Mexico authorities did raid Zoro Ranch today to search now when I say raid the current owner
of the ranch had been waiting to hear from them he wasn't standing in the way he had just been waiting
to hear from them today he heard from them they're there perhaps as we speak searching the the
ranch and the grounds wow okay so a new owner owns the property I so I'm assuming he's just like
been waiting for the FBI to eventually call well yeah well it was he wasn't wait nobody'd ever
contacted before a few weeks ago when the new Mexico legislature said well we we're gonna
investigate Zoro Ranch and then two weeks after that someone in the media asked him about it he said
yeah they're welcome but I haven't heard from them so it took a while but apparently they're on
the job lock lock can get hidden in six years who knows what's been cleaned up but then again
who who was around to clean it up after Epstein died maybe a crew went in but but it's let's
leaving it a little late I they should have been there in 2019 to my thinking well yeah one
source allegations came out that somebody was sexually assaulted and absolutely abuse so what
was going on it seems to me it seems to me for one reason or another whether it was Washington or
whether it was Santa Fe the investigation in Zoro Ranch got quashed in 2019 yeah and it was
probably you know for a reason to protect some people or I'll pry a lot of people who knows
well I mean people involved with that place and when you think about it there must be I mean there
should be I should be picking up evidence on various male members of the power lead who part
took in these things the only person who's ever gone to prison so far is a female who who
helped orchestrate the whole thing for Epstein Gilane Maxwell she's the only one in prison what about
the men who were doing these things to underage women that's what needs to come out
and they need to be investigated and prosecuted and have found guilty put in prison
right yeah because I mean a lot of the accounts that are coming out especially
from this Zoro Ranch is a lot of underage girls were involved in the in the activities there at
that place and that's for them to not investigate that back at 2019 is bizarre especially when they
when they went through all of his other properties and Zoro Ranch was probably the most
diabolical all of his places yeah he knew he had the protection of the governor who he was
friends with and he was way out there way out there at the desert and nobody could escape there
it would be impossible for somebody to do it once once these women show up they're there they're
practically prisoners of the place they're not gonna leave they can't
that's crazy to think that and what experiments would they be doing on women there I mean it's
not like he's a doctor or anything like what is happening what
I hope they'll find out but there are rooms in his place that photographs have emerged from
the Epstein files of medical clinic clinical medical type facilities so very scary stuff
yeah it sounds like it like what are they doing with that stuff and what are they doing to these
women and I hope I mean I hope more people can you know get the word out of what happened to them
if they are victims of this whole Epstein circles because it's it's shocking what has been coming
out and know that it's just more and more and now we have this whole Zoro Ranch I never even heard
of the Zoro Ranch until of recent a new stuff and to know that it wasn't investigated properly
or at all nobody was asking the questions that needed to be asked at the time which would have
been more important but I hope they can at least find something tangible yeah we could at least
put more people behind bars that belong there instead of just one person absolutely I mean the
sad part is there were a lot of a lot of people who came forward now according to the Epstein
and just weren't taken seriously or ignored the the powers that be did not want to know
and it seems like the only time they any anybody in politics would want to know was for political
reasons oh what can I use from that against my opponent that that was really their only interest
not not justice to my thinking now you have people in in Congress like Nancy Mase who who are
very dedicated to getting the truth out you know let the chips fall where they may it doesn't matter
it's not a republican thing it's not a democrat thing whoever is culpable should be investigated
and prosecuted right yeah it's justice justice does take a and no and nobody should be
using it for political reasons it should only be for justice yeah yeah because it's you know
the victims of of this whole orchestrated fiasco that is the Epstein files they need justice like
you know I can't imagine being a young girl and putting the putting having been put in those
positions and a lot of their parents were very it seemed like a lot of their parents were all
full gun hole for their their daughters to be hanging out with these elite politicians and
yeah it's a mistake parents make they think okay maybe I'll marry my daughter off to some
very wealthy person well that very wealthy person doesn't want to get married to them we're
giving money they just want to use them like a toy yeah yeah and it's it's sad it's very sad and
you know despicable yeah you know that you had to keep somebody from hey you had to babysit a
prince basically to keep him from falling into these types of behaviors that you're not we know
see unraveling in these documents of Jeffrey Epstein and you know I mean luckily nothing came
about Prince Albert being tied to any of those things because I would not want to be his PR
person if he was tied to anything with the underage stuff with Epstein that would have been a
nightmare to have to handle yeah no I'm surprised Andrew never introduced him to those circles but
then again Andrew liked it for himself perhaps um don't want to share yeah because they just stay
him and Albert kind of their behavior kind of mirrored each other a bit yes well in the public
eye what from what he can get from well I public and private well what we're discovering what we're
discovering about Andrew now is in the private eye too and for me my insider look at Albert and how
he was only really interested in his social life shall we say uh rather than affairs of state
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tonight's a pair now now after you've left uh Monaco and and left uh your service as uh Prince
Albert's uh basically main guy uh how did things how did things go after you left where some of
the things that you implemented stay that way or did everything just kind of dismantle and it's
kind of back to the way it was beforehand when in fact it was going back the way it was it was clear
to me that Albert had lost interest in being informed uh lost interest in his intelligence service
had lost interest in being briefed by other intelligence services the government had discovered
the our existence and and was battering him to end it they didn't want him to have an intelligence
service all this was going on and I could see was getting kind of dangerous for me to be there um
I I was invisible for for for most of the five and a half years I worked for Albert with that last
six months I was they knew they knew my name they didn't know my face and it got dangerous I think
and I thought there's no point me sticking around here anymore a it's dangerous and b he's he's
not part of the program he doesn't really want to know so I disassembled my intelligence service
let all of our various liaison partners know and took all my files and um and moved back to the
United States wow and then things started to get really bad there and have been getting worse and
worse ever since no no you should have listened hey that's what I you know you always listen to your
master you know it's like me I always listen wax on wax off you may not understand it now Albert but
eventually you know and yeah and he's just it's crazy to think that
that you had to go in and put in an infrastructure of some type of intelligence agency to weed out what
you'll find it out and come to find out that it's kind of like this is how things are here and it's
like oh my gosh the moral compass that you had going into this is now spinning out of control
because what do you do because your whole purpose of what you were doing was trying to clean everything
up and actually said that to him yeah I mean I could always tell with Albert it was like whoever
he last talked to was what he had programmed in his brain so after we were making some progress
for a while but then at some point he said to me but that's always been the way of life here when
we were talking about some something to do with corruption in one of his ministers that's the way
of life and I know that phrase got beat into his head by whoever he just talked to the day before
the night before and I said yes Albert isn't but isn't that what it was you wanted to change
he didn't have he didn't have an answer it was like you mean to tell me you didn't realize before
that this is what Monaco was all about well you must have realized it because you actually made
a point of saying at your investiture that you were going to change it that you were going to
clean up your principality and introduce what you called a new ethic right otherwise you end up
in the Epstein files well love you for him he didn't but but yes but but he's he's it hasn't been
good for him it's been a rough ride because I turned out like like I pointed out to him 20 years ago
his palace accountant was corrupt and his personal or it was corrupt and what happens a couple
years ago they get exposed in the French media for being corrupt and the accountant was actually
escorted out of his job at the palace by the Caribbean area and now is considered disgraced in all
kinds of lawsuits with Monaco and Albert at the moment it's a total mess yes Albert should have
listened okay we knew what we were we knew what we were doing we knew what we knew we knew what
we were talking about he should have taken the advice of his intelligence service and dealt with
all of the rubbish and the corruption when he had the chance 20 years ago and he'd probably be
looked upon very differently today than he actually is he's he's I I believe he's looked upon as a
failure and his legacy will be quite horrible because he's done all the wrong things right right
yeah he's definitely gonna be singing a shudda kudda what is because yeah it's the turn that the
road that he totally took is what we're is being exposed on a day-to-day basis that corruption
that just this underground underbelly being untrustworthy and it's from little things to
having little affairs and and stuff like that to these large mass you know things of money laundering
cartels and sex trafficking and it's just you know to clean it up I mean that that that seemed like
it was probably a very honorable job for you to do and to find out that that's not the way it's
going that had to been hard for you to handle and I don't believe me for wanting to just walk away
because there's no point I mean the only point I could have I could have gotten very wealthy if I
chosen to be corrupt as well and remain in my job the going right for organizing a lunch if
somebody wanted to have lunch with Albert they would be willing to pay 50,000 euros and at least
one of his close palace associates of court here was indulging in that kind of money to get Albert
to attend somebody's yacht party or to attend another party or to or to have lunch or dinner I could
I had cash offers like that I it would be anathema to me to ever accept anything like that I in fact
because I was there to do exactly the opposite I was there to clean up the trash around Monaco
and stop that sort of thing from happening but that's what everybody else was doing and
and Albert ultimately became corrupt himself and I could give you the perfect example of that
something he did that set the absolute wrong example to all of his ministers and everybody else
around him and that is he accepted a bribe from Vladimir Putin Vladimir Putin of Russia he was
president at the time of course he went back and forth his little charade of staying in charge from
president to prime minister and back again that time it was president and he wanted the
Olympics the Winter Olympics to be in Sochi in 2014 well Albert is sits on the
has since the 1980s he sits on the the International Olympic Committee and that's the committee
that votes on where where Olympic events should be held so Albert is Putin throws a state dinner for
Albert in coordination with Albert's expedition of the North Pole that happened in 2005
it might have been 2006 and at this state dinner Putin offers Albert a gift what kind of gift
a whole house a dacha how would you like how would you like a dacha dacha is a traditional summer
house that elite Russians have out in the country and they leave Moscow to go to their dacha on the
weekends so can we he said can we build one for you on the palace grounds Albert said well there's
no room but how about if you build it at rock a gel which is the Ramallah family farm high up in
the mountains I mentioned it earlier where Albert escaped to when he should have been in Monaco
working after his father passed and went up there to play volleyball well that's the family farm
so he said well you can build it there so what happens a whole team of Russian construction
workers show up and build him a dacha on the grounds of rock a gel from scratch well for a stark
you can you can imagine that it's it's wired to the gills to the rafters with all kinds of
recording equipment but you never find that's number one number two is it is against the IOC's
code of ethics for one of its members to accept a gift from a leader of a country or anyone that's
in contention for Olympic an Olympic venue so Albert was oblivious to it he probably didn't even
know there was such a thing as the code of ethics and he's not a personally greedy guy
it's not like he just wanted to accumulate stuff gifts or money or anything else he has enough of
it he was just stupid okay it was just a really dumb thing to do here you are you accept this very
lavish gift and you don't report it of course because you don't even know that you you're supposed to
and and it's in contravention of the IOC so in that sense Albert became corrupt himself and
everybody who learned of this dacha goes okay well even Albert is is is taking bribes so I guess
it's okay again we're not being cracked down at all in fact corruption increased not decreased
wow and to give somebody a house that's oh what what do you mean I didn't have to tell anybody
he gifted me that oh who are you get upset where did you want the Olympics brush off so when
you ask me when you ask me if anything surprise me well that that was kind of a surprise but
after that nothing surprised me and the brothel and the brothel in ma in in Moscow rented out for
for his birthday it's how can you be surprised after after a couple of those bright yeah it's just
it's like oh my gosh you just go going through the paper you're just like oh geez it's just
getting worse as we go through oh my god I can't imagine it's it's almost a good thing I suppose
I could have written this book soon after I left Albert's employee at the end of 2007 but
it actually in hindsight made a lot more sense to finally write it now because of all that's
happened since and how that my own role in Monaco has been largely vindicated when I first I was
a little public when I first got out because I was a little unhappy that Mon that Albert had turned
his back on his promises to do certain things to clean things up so I made some noise about it
and their reaction in Monaco was who who we don't know who what are you talking about he didn't
he didn't do what he claims to do they tried to discredit me um and okay fine that's the game you
want to play we played that game for a bit uh it's clear they know they know um and it I guess
nobody understood quite the extent of my operations number one and two that I actually retained all
my files yeah and then everything that I was saying back then a few years later everybody in the
French media who were stretching their heads wondering how I could know these things and they
couldn't possibly be true are going man if you go back and read what he was saying and read what
he wrote back then it's all come true right and it has well that was a that was a great time to put
the book out yeah was the book the spy master of Monte Carlo tales of royalty espionage and betrayal
I'll have a link for that in today's description I highly recommend it and if you guys buy the book
and read it rate and review it online wherever you buy your book it helps those books get seed more
you know when people are searching up specific topics those will pop up right away um I can't wait
to dig into it myself because I love these kind of stories and and to know that it just how all
these it ties into reality that we're dealing with today and you know with the whole Epstein files
all that kind of how these elite people think they can just get away with murder uh with money
laundering with corruption and fraud is beyond me but your book kind of sheds a light on that
and to say you know this is how they just get away with it and people like you uh Robert you have
this moral uh compass and when that compass is getting interrupted what do you do well you did
the right thing you walked away and now exposing kind of the the craft that you had to deal with and
I'm sure that's where all governments fault isn't that kind of saying corrupted vain and you know
money money talks and and you know so does sex apparently with these these people because they
are like some kinky stuff it's some weird stuff I'm not gonna lie um but yeah the book again the
spymaster of money carlo don't do you have a website or anything that people can go to I do
is an independent journalist I operate on substack so it's robberdarenger.substack.com and I
post early every day on monaco but also on other topics including zoro ranch and the Epstein files
and and some fiction as well I've written some spy fiction based on operations and adventures
that happen but I could never talk about so you have to put them through a meat grinder and turn
it into a novel instead yeah I know it's but the hey with every great fiction story there's
there's always a bit of truth in it and I love that and I even love true crime fiction stories because
I know there's a little bit of truth in everything so it's just kind of nice to get out of that
kind of factual narrative and kind of make it colorful I think it helps the reader kind of really
grasp uh what the the case is about or what are you actually trying to get across in the book
because it kind of puts them into that into the into the crime scene and the you know the story itself
so I like I like fictional true crime stuff and stuff like that so I think it's it's a perfect
blend of facts and fiction uh so go check it out and I'll put a link for your substack along with
the link to buy your book uh again in the description no it's thank you so much for your time
today Robert and thank you all and I hope to see you all next week thank you for having me
when it's been a pleasure thank you for joining for another episode of mysteries mayhem and merlot
and until our next case my armchair detectives stay safe stay there to win and stay aware
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