The Exclusionary Second Amendment?

It will regulate the militia being necessary for the security of a free state, the right

of the people to keep in their arms shall not be infringed.

Welcome to another edition of Bury and Arms.

Cam, my company, my name is Cam Edwards, glad you're with me on the program today.

You gotta be spending some time with the brain and language from Langley Outdoors talking

about Harmeet Dylan's trip to the range and the reaction that it received on social

media, which was, in many cases, not great, as you may have seen.

Harmeet Dylan went to the range, posted pictures of her target afterwards, was very proud

of herself, not bad, she said, for, I believe it was at 10 yards.

And you know, I mean, listen, the grouping wasn't particularly tight.

But rather than, just look, some folks offered constructive criticism, some folks way

to go, glad that you were there, keep shooting, keep improving.

But then there was quite a bit of, are you kidding me?

You think you should be proud of that?

A lot of naysayers, a lot of negativity.

And coming from people who at least purported to be gun owners and segmented supporters,

you know, on the internet, nobody knows if you're a dog.

So maybe these were gun control trolls, but it was not a great look.

My colleague Tom Knighton wrote about this at the Barian Arms Carey Sloan, wrote about

this at the Barian Arms from a woman's perspective as well.

And Braden, I've been talking offline about the reaction here.

And maybe sort of the, a broader trend that we've seen at least bubble up in some portions

of the two-a-community that is, I don't know how to define it, exclusionary, clikish, maybe

Braden talked about, you know, the purity test that seemed to be imposed, and the problems

that can result from that ad, it was, may play very well in social media.

But when it comes to actually protecting our rights to keep your arms, I think it does

more harm than good.

Anyway, that was a great conversation.

Hopefully you will too take a look and a listen to the conversation with Braden Langley.

Braden, thanks so much for coming on the program.

It's good to see you, man.

No, man, it's a great to be here.

Thank you for having me on.

Yeah, absolutely.

Well, you know, listen, so I was off on Monday.

I didn't have a chance to write about Army Dylan's trip to the range, which was definitely

a topic for social media and for, you know, a lot of folks who pay attention to the segment

of a news and information, you know, and Tom Nighten wrote a piece, Carrie Sloan wrote

a piece for Barry and Arms, Carrie focusing more on the reaction that women specifically

get when, you know, they were raising their segment rights and being very public-faced

about it.

Tom, though, I think wrote more generally about just this, you know, I mean, the criticism

that Dylan got, not for going to the range, but because, you know, her grouping wasn't

that tight.

She was proud of herself, and it seemed like there were a lot of keyboard warriors who

basically wanted to tell her, hey, you shouldn't be proud, you know, that wasn't a good job,

right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm more prone to it than you are, because my grouping's better.

Right.

Excellent.

Excellent.

I was going to ask, you know, what was your reaction, but I think we just got your reaction

at least today.

That's in a nutshell.

Okay.

So first of all, I think this is a conversation that needs to be had a lot more with a lot

more people and a lot more parts over the community that we're in, right?

You need people.

This is one of the most fascinating things, observing all the different political beliefs

and ideologies and all the different approaches to things.

The bottom line, it boils down, you need people.

You can't do what you need to do without people.

And if you run into this position where someone steps in and they're brave enough to publish

something that they're already maybe a little bit anxious about and you're first, you see

your fingers come through underneath the window.

And the first thing you do is you slam the fricking window on their fingers.

It's like, do you think they're going to post more?

Do you think they're going to do it again?

Do you think they're going to bring more people into it?

Like you need people, stop punching people in the face for daring to step into your front

yard.

It's a pet peeve of mine, man.

It's just like, oh my God, we need people.

Stop it.

Well, I'm curious.

I mean, how much of this do you think is the result of social media, right?

Because I think that social media has become very exclusionary, right?

We want to find our own little tribe.

You're not allowed in our group.

You can't set the cool kids table.

To me though, if you actually go to a range as a new shooter, I think you're far more

likely to find people who are encouraging who will say, oh yeah, hey, here's a little

tip for you.

Hey, do you want to shoot my gun?

I think it's a very different reaction to what you get in these online spaces.

Oh, I would agree with that.

But the problem comes out, it's kind of a double in sort, right?

Yes.

It absolutely is that minority online, right?

But it's a very, very loud minority.

If you want a really good visceral reaction topic and like, like example, it's kind of

like the woke left in Democrats, right?

Those are two different parties.

There are two different entities.

You have the Democrats who are over here who are like, you know, like, I'm a little more

moderate on this or a little bit more extreme on this than you are, but we're still within

this realm, right?

And then there's the frickin' far lefties that are so far over here that are the loudest

and they browbeat everybody and they purity test everybody and like the easiest people

to hate in the world.

But again, it's poisoning the well of the entire organism, right?

So if you have 10, 15 people out of 10,000, well, those 10, 15, 15 people, if you're really

mean to someone or you're very off-putting, they're going to remember you.

They're not going to remember the other 1900 or until 1000 people in the room.

They're going to remember how you made them feel, not the whole room in general, right?

I think there's something to that point.

The online is a very consequence-free environment versus an individual area, like a range where

there is absolute social reinforcement of, hey, you're being a dick, stop being a dick.

Right?

I think that's, I think there's something to that.

I think the online space lends itself to a accountability-free reaction to people versus

real life examples of honest to God.

You're going to get a little bit of pushback if you treat someone like crap in real life,

which you're not going to get on the internet.

No, I mean, in fact, on the internet, you're going to get engagement, you're going to get

clicks, you're going to get attention, right?

And that is the currency of social media.

But again, going back to what you said earlier, we do need people.

As gun owners, we actually need non-gun owners on our side.

We're not a majority in this country, right?

The majority of the American adults are not gun owners.

Now they may know it.

But if we're saying, okay, the only people we need are people who already act like us

and think like us and vote like us, we're toast.

I mean, beyond toast.

So we've got to continually be engaged in that outreach, not just to try to get people

to the range, to get people to experience and exercise their segment of rights, but to

get people to understand, even if you don't own a gun, even if you don't go to the range,

here's why this is a right that is worth fighting for.

Here's why this is something that you should

support, even if you're not exercising it right now.

Right.

And going back to, see, this is the fun part of these conversations, because you kind

of have a broad direction you're going, but you can start kind of like weave something

together really nicely, right?

So here's an example of what you just brought up, right?

You need people as what I said earlier on.

We brought that back into the conversation, and now you look at your Harmeet Dylan example.

Okay.

Harmeet Dylan is one of the DOJ champions for the two way currently, actively.

And I will go to the mat with anybody on that.

You can go down the sarcastic route of most, like this one, my favorite thing is the

world.

Most two-way president, administration, and history.

Okay.

Fine.

I get it.

Is everything perfect?

No, everything is not perfect.

But you cannot argue the fact that Harmeet Dylan has brought forward pressure against Illinois

as a salt weapon, bands, has written or been taken part in the first ever scotus amicus

brief against gun control.

She is going down the road of purifying voter registration and suing all those other states

which are going to help you in the gun rights fight, right?

All of these things are active steps in the right direction, but, but, Cam, she's shot

outside the silhouette.

So I mean, I'm not sure if we can really value what her opinion is.

It really is, it really is frustrating at certain points.

It is.

I mean, you know, you talk about the purity test.

I think we see that again with DOJ, right?

I mean, am I happy that DOJ continues to defend federal gun laws?

No.

Not at all.

Not at all.

You know, saying that the NFA imposes a modest burden on the exercise of the second movement.

Absolutely not.

No.

But while that's happening, you're right, Harmeet Dylan is doing important in historic

work.

Some of the things that she's doing is she's suing the LASD, Los Angeles Sheriff's Department

for delays in concealed carry permits.

Is that one?

Virgin Islands government over there, you know, arbitrary and caprice's licensing policy,

the idea that you've got to let the police into your home to inspect your gun safe to

make sure that your guns are stored properly, right?

These are all historic actions.

So, you know, and again, in politics, if you demand purity, guess what?

You lose, right?

Look at Joe Biden's administration.

Look at the progressives right now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, you know, you've got to be, to me, in order to be a successful in political arena,

you've got to accept incrementalism.

You've got to accept imperfection, right?

Now, you can still push for more.

That's obviously a part of it, but recognize that things are not going to be perfect.

You're never going to have something that's 100% with you, whether it's an administration

or a particular politician.

There's always going to be some room for disagreement, some area where you say, ah, you need to

be doing something better, but you don't shove them aside, you don't, you know, toss them

in the trash.

And I think, you know, when it comes to, to Dylan, particularly, yeah, you know, I think

it's, I think it would be a terrible idea to, to leave her with the impression that, you

know, gun owners are not supportive of the work that she's doing that, in fact, we're just

a bunch of, uh, to use your word, bunch of dicks, uh, who, you know, I can't see a positive

when it's staring is right in the face.

Well, and I think, and I think there's a very important caveat, because the, the, the

keyboards just started clicking right now.

We're not saying that gun owners are dicks, and we're not saying that two advocates are

dicks in a general hypothetical overall, take the gun world out of it.

If someone bakes you a cake and you go, it's not the right color ice or flavor icing,

I mean, like, you're not going to get another cake, it's, it's not difficult.

It's like, well, I just made this entire cake for you.

And all you can complain about is the flavor of the icing, like, what, why would I do that

again?

And that's, that's the principal.

I'm saying, our, is the argument that's being put forward by a lot of two A advocates

and a lot of two A organizations, correct, and aligned to our rights?

Absolutely.

There's no, there's no question on that, right?

But we're talking, we're not talking about right or wrong.

We're talking about interactions and personality and people, like, people aren't robots.

People are soft, squishy little things.

And when you have the personal interactions that are interacting with politics, that's

where you're getting into a different realm.

And I think that it's really important to bring all these people into the fold, not push

them away.

I think that's, that's the whole point.

And Harmeet Dylan, I mean, you're looking at something that in, oh, God, what are we,

we're in March right now?

So what, 14 months of long of an administration, yeah, have there been downfalls and not perfect?

Absolutely.

Has there also been unprecedented move forward, moves forward?

Absolutely.

Suppressors just got removed from the tax schedule, which is opening up an entire new avenue

of approach from an NFA infringement perspective.

That was never there before.

That wasn't possible without the one big, beautiful bill.

And a lot of gun organizations were very involved in that, but, but honest to God, they're

sure was a whole lot really, really quickly of, I don't like this flavor of icing in that

scenario.

I mean, I get that's the whole point is like, I don't know, I'm not trying to ramble on

it.

And I'm not trying to bash anybody.

I give it, and again, I think a lot of it comes back to the way we interact with each

other online versus the way we interact with each other face-to-face, right?

And maybe the, you know, I just might turn to ramble here because I wonder too if some

of this is not, we're not victims of our own success, right?

I mean, it's been what, 20, almost 20 years since the Heller decision, you know, there

is an entire generation of gun owners that have grown up understanding of the segment,

you know, it does protect an individual right, like that's been a non-issue, right?

Right.

Some of us old remember the pre-heller days, right?

And how far we've come.

And so, you know, I think that it's pretty easy to get that myopic, myopic focus and

say, well, yeah, we should be doing more.

This isn't good enough.

But if you've been around long enough, I think it's possible and I think it's wise to have

that perspective of, well, look how far we've come over the past two decades.

If I go back even further, look how far we've come since the 1970s when the goal of the gun

control movement was to ban handguns, right?

That is off the table now, even before Heller, that was a non-issue in the vast majority

of the country.

Well, it's politically off the table, politically off the table, right?

But it was, I would argue, it was culturally off the table before.

That's what I mean.

That's what I mean.

Yeah.

That's what I mean.

No one will accept that.

Even Democrats.

That gun owners and segment advocates have done.

Whether you like it or not, this is a long-term fight.

In fact, this fight will never end.

Never.

And there are going to be wins and there are going to be losses.

But I think that, you know, maybe it's the culture of immediate gratification.

Maybe if it is, you know, again, a new generation of gun owners who maybe, and maybe even,

you know, just new gun owners who don't really

understand all the battles that have been fought over the previous decades.

But I think in some sense, it's short-sighted.

And again, I don't want to pay with a broad brush.

This is not every gun owner.

Just like it's not every gun owner who is, you know, social media who has given the Army

Dillon a hard time.

But as you say, those voices can be really loud.

In 15 or 20 of these, you know, naysayers, the people who are constantly bitching and

complaining can drown out 1,500 folks who aren't saying those things.

And so I think what you just touched on, this is the part where we get, this is really,

really important to me.

This is a very important, passion point for me.

You just hit on something incredible.

And if anyone's listening to police forward this part out because we're about to have

a real fun conversation, incrementalism is how they took our rights from us to begin

with.

And since 1934 to current day, they have been on an incremental cutting away in 1,000 cuts,

1,000 cuts, death by 1,000 cuts, rather, over and over and over and over again.

They started losing on federal.

They went to state level.

We started kicking their butts on state level and we got even more federal.

It's an incrementalism.

It's a tug of war.

And we are actively winning.

I have been saying that for five years.

We are actively in the process of winning.

The fight is not over.

The fight will continue to be, or our responsibility consistently defend our rights and be on guard

for people who would do that again.

But you have to understand, as these doors shut, they can't be opened again once the court

nails them shut.

They have to go a different road.

It's not like they come back and do the exact same thing that the court already decided

on.

No.

The hallowed decision is permanent unless they come back with another scotus which over

rules it, which is highly unlikely, right?

And the big thing that I want to drive into right here is we have so many two-way veterans

and two-way fighters and two-way rights advocates that are in our space that have gone through

the experience of what you're talking about.

Because I'm never going to discount somebody's experience ever.

The people who we're talking about right now are the older generation of the rights fight.

Okay.

You're talking about 45, 55, 65, 75, that generation of people who is a very large

chunk of the second amendment group lived through the most extreme gun control pushes

ever, like on record.

So they have that in their formative years of going through that and fighting that.

It's just like people who live in blue states.

But the problem that it that presents itself is because those people live through that experience,

that is their viewpoint because that was what molded into them.

And that's not, I'm not saying it's bad that they did.

However, when you let cynicism of your experience take over versus guiding the next generation

from your experience, you allow the negativity to permeate and dominate the experience

versus using it as a guiding coalition force for the next generation.

That's where women come in.

That's where the next generation of young people come in.

That's where all the different aspects and demographics that are getting into our space,

that's where they can benefit from this.

If you lock down, you bottle up like a hermit crab.

You're not going to help the next generation avoid the pitfalls of which you took all

the arrows.

And I respect and honor the arrows you took.

But I'm in that next generation.

I know what's coming.

I know all the fights.

I know all the wars that we've had in the Supreme Court.

You have the Loper Enterprise's decision.

You have the Heller decision.

You have the Cargill decision.

All these different decisions that are undermining the main underpins of their gun control are

all falling.

All the pillars are falling.

And you have all of this experience of what they did to you as a older individual.

And you can share that with the next generation.

That's my whole point.

Use it as a positive and you are a veteran versus a locked in your shell hermit crab.

Does that make sense?

It does.

Yeah.

And again, I think that I think you find that cynicism not just, you know, maybe for

different reasons, but even among, you know, the younger generation, right?

Oh, no, it exists, but it's a little bit more snarky.

It is.

It is.

And again, I think it's based on different experiences.

But, you know, I guess, and I mean, we could talk about this for hours, honestly.

But I only have 40 minutes for my free Zoom.

So we're going to have to start.

I get it.

I get it.

So, you know, so, so, you know, obviously some of this conversation is about maybe giving

folks a different perspective for them to take going forward.

But for those folks who, who again, agree with what you and I have been saying, what can

we do to make our voices louder in these spaces where the cynicism seems to be driving

the discussion?

In my personal opinion, we have to lean into the next generation and the people who are

a little bit different, right?

So, and when I say a little bit different, what I mean is non-traditional gun owner or

a non-traditional second amendment advocate, and I will say this full-throated.

I will stand behind what I'm about to say.

Some of the most ardent second amendment advocates and supporters that I know are female

individuals in the gun space.

And the reason that I say that is because they come from a different perspective and they

offer a different viewpoint, which will bring more people into the space.

And there's a modernization and a different view and life experience that they have.

And I'm telling you, from the conversations I've had, every bit of it is valuable.

I'm not undermining existing voices.

I don't want to come across as everything old is dumb and stupid and not, no, it's a valuable

knowledge base.

But when we start to unlock that valuable knowledge base in the existing leadership and structure

of the second amendment community and we pour into the new leadership and the new generations,

you will have a super soldier that you're creating because you're imparting your lived

experience into their lived experience.

You are now creating a tapestry of this freedom that we're building, not just that was one

block over here and this is another block trying to figure it out.

Creating it together and adopting a unison is really important.

And to that point, like the whole thing that started this conversation was that article

that was on your website about Army Dillon's interaction and the kind of the rougher space.

Honestly, if you look around a lot of the key demographics that have to happen to bring

more people in are younger people, minority people, and women, those three groups are

the ones that are driving the second amendment from the bottom up.

And that's a reality.

And we have to be able to bring those people in and pour our knowledge and experience

into them versus hold it back from them because we don't necessarily like their grouping.

Yeah, no, I, you know, and I absolutely agree with you.

And this gets back to, I think, the first thing you said, right?

We need people.

And as long as I've been doing Kamen Company, I have been saying, you know, we need to

be evangelical about the second amendment in our outreach.

I don't care if you don't vote like me.

I don't care if you don't look like me.

I don't care if you're in a complete opposites.

So you're right to keep in bear arms too.

And, you know, if we consider ourselves, I guess there might be a second amendment advocate

first and foremost, right?

Above my political leanings and my two a advocacy, I think has made me more of a civil libertarian

than I would have been, perhaps otherwise.

So, you know, yeah, I don't think that we can be exclusionary in, in our support for

the right to keep bear arms, right?

It belongs to all of us.

If it doesn't belong to all of us, then as you say, we start going into these purity tests.

We start following the same trap of the woke left.

You know, you've got to be consistent about support for your right and you should cheer

on and embrace people who are not like you who are exercising their second amendment rights.

And they understand the importance of those rights.

That's the other thing, right?

Because there is, there's a difference between being a gun owner and being a second amendment

advocate.

I don't know.

I don't know.

A thousand percent, right?

But if we want to grow and inculcate more second amendment advocates, frankly, man,

I don't want them all to look like me.

I don't want them all to think like me.

I want, you know, the, I don't even know if you're old enough for this, but I want to

bin a ton add of a second amendment advocates, right?

I want, I want a penopoli of people across these spectrums, slicing that up, you know,

guys, every demographic you can think of, I want them all to be represented in the two

way space because that's how we win.

And that is the next point.

And this is the, this is the other thing that how long do we have?

By the way, I don't want to get, we got at least 10 minutes.

I haven't got my little way.

We're good.

We're good.

We're good.

Um, this is the other thing, right?

So I, I very much appreciate and value the broad political fight that's happening outside

the two A space because that, the two A space lives inside that fight.

The fight does not live inside the two A space, right?

The broad politicians in the broad electorate has a whole litany and series of things that

are important to it.

And the two A is a leg of that stool.

It is a part of it, right?

It's an incredibly important piece of it.

But if you want to start winning and taking the second amendment fight directly to Democrats,

you take them off at the power.

You knocked them out of the knees.

You literally focus on the things that everyone else is focusing on.

And while you still have your important issue of the second amendment, which needs to be

brought up and advocated for, it can be woven into these conversations versus come over

here and check out the second amendment when they try to take our gun rights again.

And, and it's, it's got to be part of the broad politic and the way that we do that is

we reach people where they're at the underlying point that is so crucial what you just said

from the politics standpoint.

One of the things that is not all the way baked into a lot of the decisions sometimes

is what is the impact on the broad politic and the overall political implication of bringing

in all these different demographics, the young women, young mothers, minorities, all of

everything, younger demographic.

The second that you start doing that, you defame one of the most, one of the most visceral

emotional attacks.

The left brings it to you of, oh, the gun world is a, is a monolith of old white guys.

And they hate you because they're, you know, confederates and they're racist and they're

homophobes and they're all, it is literally like once you unlock that white guy demographic,

it's literally like, there's the list of attacks go forward.

But if you have a completely totally different heterogeneous population, you've defanged their

most, their most vicious attack that responds to the Democrats instantly.

Now what are you going to do?

Are you saying we don't like women because we have an entire litany of women right over

here who are actually, in some cases, I actually recommend you fight me versus fight them

because they'll tear you apart.

I mean, that's, that's an important piece to this.

It's all about the political orientations and looking at the broader fight and bringing

more people in to neutralize a lot of their attacks and that's, that's the way that

I look at it.

Whole fight, baby.

It's a whole war.

It's not just a battlefield.

Just saying.

Absolutely.

Brandon Listenman, I really appreciate the conversation.

I think this was a fantastic, hopefully, the audience enjoyed it as well.

And I'd love to have you back at some point in the future, man.

Yeah, dude, anytime you got my cell phone just text me and be like, hey, I want to talk

about this.

I'll be like, nah, or be like, absolutely.

Sounds good.

Brandon Langley joining us here on a very armed scam and company.

Thanks again to Brandon for joining us on the program, looking forward to having him

back again soon.

And again, hopefully you enjoy that conversation, much as I did.

I thought some of the points that the brain made are very important.

But, you know, I am not one of the next generation of segment advocates.

I am on the flip side of 50.

But I have been around long enough, I like to consider myself to be a young and hard,

that I recognize those battles that we have fought, even those, especially those that

existed before I even came into the two way space.

You know, I certainly wasn't involved in the second amendment movement in the late 60s

because I wasn't born then, nor was I around an active in the days of handgun control

incorporated when Washington DC, but it's handgun ban in place, when Chicago, but it's

handgun place in the early 1980s.

You know, I got involved in the second amendment fight in the early 2000s before heller, but

not long before heller.

And you know, I grew up in a state that frankly had pretty good gun loss for the time

of Oklahoma.

It has really been, you know, going back, I guess, to maybe 2020 when Democrats last took

over the Virginia government past about a half dozen gun control laws.

That was the first time that I lived in a state that actually put more restrictive gun

laws in place as a gun owner.

I was born in Massachusetts and of course, you know, but I wasn't around to have to deal

with Massachusetts gun laws.

And now I am, you know, living in a state that is quickly becoming South Jersey or East

California when it comes to our rights to keep bear arms.

I definitely understand the importance again of bringing in that next generation of second

amendment advocates, including people who don't think like me, who don't vote like me.

And I, again, I understand the challenge for, we talked about this actually with David

Yamene, on yesterday's program a little bit, right?

If you're a gun only liberal, where do you go?

The Democrat party is not your friend, you know, but from a non-duay perspective, the Republican

party isn't your friend either.

So what do you do?

And you know, from my perspective, and again, we're talking about incrementalism, right?

We're talking about long-term goals.

If you can get right now, it's about 20 to 25% of Democrats identify as gun owners,

not as second amendment advocates, but as gun owners.

So the universe of, you know, pro-second amendment, second amendment advocates who are

progressives or Democrats on the left side of the aisle.

Let's say somewhere between maybe 10 and 15%.

If you can get that number, if we had doubled that to 30% of the Democrat party, we could

get gun ownership doubled from 20 to 25% to 40 to 50%.

Then all of a sudden, the gun control lobby has a real problem within its ranks.

And they understand this.

I mean, if you look at what the gun control groups are doing to try to either co-opt these

progressives and liberals who are becoming gun owners right, every town, trying to get

into the gun safety and gun training world, Gifords has their own group of, you know, gun

owners for gun control, they're definitely aware of the existential threat that a broad

name of the second amendment community represents to them.

And they're fighting like hell to prevent it.

So from my perspective, you know, yes, purely from a constitutional standpoint, we should

be fighting for the right of the people to keep their arms to be exercised by as many

people as possible.

But there are also political benefits for broadening the two-way coalition beyond those who

we broadly agree with on other issues.

So anyway, again, that was a great conversation.

We look forward to a continuing discussion in the future.

Right now, though, let's start our attention to today's arm citizen story, our good deed

of the day, and our recidivist report will start there with a case out of Kansas City,

the Kansas City Star Report, and a court-ordered man to enroll in anger management course before

he allegedly killed a man.

So I don't know if he actually attended the anger management course, but 23-year-old

Lamar Harris-L is facing one count of secondary murder as well as arm criminal action accused

of murder in a man named Jose Poole who, according to police, was trying to deescalate an argument

when he was reportedly shot by Harris-L over the weekend.

Just after 2 a.m. Saturday, when police arrived to, I guess, an apartment complex on reports

of a shooting in the parking lot they found Poole had been shot in the head, pronounced

dead of the scene.

The road to access video footage from the building security system showed what appears

to be a confrontation among several people, including Poole and Harris-L in that parking

light just before 2 o'clock in the morning.

In the footage, Poole is walking up to a group of people in the parking lot where the argument

ensued.

Harris-L was standing next to the driver's side door of a vehicle and the video appears

to show him reaching into that vehicle pulling out a gun, then approaching Poole, taking

what police described as a shooter stance with both hands on the pistol, which was pointed

to Poole's face, and then the footage allegedly shows Poole pulling the trigger and striking

Poole with at least one round.

As he fell, he got fired at two more rounds.

Harris-L then reportedly fled the scene, the group dispersed.

A witness told homicide detectives that she had met with Harris-L, who she was dating,

and others in the group earlier that night.

They were planning on having a game night, she said, and the woman drove the group to

an apartment there in this complex.

At some point, she got in an argument with Harris-L on another woman, because she was pregnant

with Harris-L's child.

A security guard there at the complex eventually came out and asked them all to quiet down.

The woman asked everybody else in the group to just leave.

That's when the argument continued in the parking lot, and that's where she said to Poole

attempt to de-escalate the situation.

She said that Poole was unarmed, he was not being aggressive, but Harris-L confronted

Poole and allegedly shot him, again, according to the court documents.

Now according to the Kansas City Star, Harris-L was previously convicted of first degree

robbery in Jackson County, stemming from an incident in August of 2020.

Harris-L is 23 years old now, sounds like he may have been a juvenile at the time, but

also sounds like he was charged as an adult, because he's still on probation for that crime.

If he had been tried as a juvenile, that probation likely would have ended when he turned 21.

According to the Kansas City Star, Jackson County probation order from just a couple of months

ago, December 11th, 2025, ordered him to enroll in an anger management course by the end

of last year.

Again, don't know that he ever did, but I also don't think that his probation would have

been revoked.

How do you feel to comply with the terms of his probation?

How many times have we seen that before?

So, he violates their probation multiple times, and the answer is, well, let's just extend

his probation.

Which I don't get.

I mean, if he's not abiding by the terms of their probation, what good is it to say,

well, now you're going to be in probation even longer?

That is a consequence, consequence, consequence.

That makes sense.

Kansas City Star also reports that previously had been fine for a disorderly conduct and

littering in a lease of Missouri, also as a penny domestic assault citation in a lease

summit from November of last year when he allegedly struck a woman that may have been

what led to the order to go obtain an anger management.

But that case had not been adjudicated, and again, that arrest and citation for domestic

assault was not enough to automatically revoke his probation and return him to jail or prison

for the robbery conviction from six years ago.

So right now, Harris L. is being held on a $150,000 cash only bond.

Again, on secondary murder and arm criminal action, we will see if there are any updates

in this case, but I mean, honestly, he's probably going to get a plea deal.

Probably not going to get more than 10 or 15 years behind bars.

Time off for good behavior is going to reduce that even further.

Okay, I'm the one who's being cynical now.

I talked with the brain language about the cynicism online.

Maybe I'm the one who's being cynical about this, but I've just seen too many other cases

like this where you expect a serious and lengthy prison sentence, and instead you are disappointed

because of a yes, we hurt plea deals.

So I hope that that is not the case.

It sounds like you already got one of those.

Let's hope another one's not in the cards.

One to today's arm citizen story a little bit different than what we normally talk about

South Carolina Beach Island fatal stabbing ruled self-defense.

No charges to be filed.

Yes, we typically do talk about self-defense shootings here on Barry and Arms, but knives

are in fact protected by the Second Amendment too.

And this was a case of self-defense on the Beach Island, South Carolina.

It happened Monday afternoon, around 1230, broad daylight.

Aiken County Sheriff's Office responded to a report of a stabbing.

Deputies found a man inside a vehicle and tried to perform life-saving measures.

A victim identified as 36-year-old Michael Harvey, who was pronounced at about an hour later.

The incident occurred at Harvey's home, but investigators previously reported that the

incident was not random.

Both individuals were known to each other.

And the Aiken County Sheriff's Office said after a thorough investigation, the individual,

the other individuals' actions, the individual with a knife, those actions were determined

to be legally justified as self-defense, no charges that we filed.

So we don't really know the circumstances that led to this self-defense stabbing, which

again occurred at Harvey's home, but again, the two individuals known to each other probably

some type of argument.

And it sounds like Harvey actually initiated an assault that put the victim in legitimate

fear of death, the great bodily injury, at which point he used a knife to act in lawful

self-defense.

But again, if there are more details that emerge from this case, we will certainly bring

them to you.

And finally, today are good deed of the day in the right place, at the right time, when

we're able to do the right thing.

Somewhat similar to yesterday's story of a man who went inside a burning home, tried

to rescue that elderly couple, good Samaritan's outside, trying to battle that blaze as well.

And while the man was not able to get these elderly couple out of the home, first responders

were able to do that.

And the fire chief praising the actions of the good Samaritan saying if we're not for

his quick thinking, if we're not for the 911 call that was made, that these individuals

likely would have perished in that fire.

In this case, a good Samaritan was able to extricate a elderly woman from her burning

home.

Well, it's more of the man's dog actually found a surviving pooch there in the basement.

Keith Taylor and his wife Melanie were driving on Cleveland, Ohio's east side.

And they noticed that there was a fire that was visible through the window of a home.

So they didn't see the smoke, apparently it hadn't gotten that bad yet, but they could

see the flames inside the window.

According to Cleveland Fire Lieutenant Mike Norman, Taylor parked his car, honked his horn,

and then got out, and he was yelling, fire, fire.

As he ran up to the home, he saw an elderly woman in the doorway, but then he saw her turn

around and go back inside.

Mike Norman said he went up the stairs, went into the house, picked her up, carried her

out.

And as he came across the threshold, came across the front porch, he said the front

window just shattered.

He said the fire came rushing out, his wife said it looked like it exploded.

So the woman is safely out of the home at that point.

Taylor's dog, it was a pit bull mix named the Ace, started pulling hard on his leash

towards a basement window that was boarded up.

And at this point, fire crews were on the scene.

And Taylor went up to a battalion chief and said, you know, my dog thinks that there's

something in that window.

So firefighters were able to send an individual down into the basement where they found a small

brown dog.

They had been trapped behind a closed door.

Mike Norman, the assistant fire chief or fire lieutenant, rather, said that he saved

everyone's life, saved the dog's life.

It was a great event last Friday.

Cleveland Fire says the fire started actually by a space here.

And you know, that we see so many of those stories every winter.

Taylor told the Channel 19 News in Cleveland and thinks God placed them in the right place

at the right time, saying that the true heroes are the firefighters who risk their lives

every day.

And that is certainly the case, but again, being in the right place at the right time,

being those flames, stopping the car, getting out, going to the door, taking that elderly

woman out of the home that was on fire, that's more than just, you know, an average day

for most people.

I think that is an act of heroism itself.

So Keith Taylor, Melanie Taylor and their dog ace all in the right place at the right

time.

We thank you for your very, very good deeds.

And that is going to do it for this edition of Baron Arms Camping Cup.

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