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she has occasionally counted one extra person in the room.

The unsettling part is how normal they look until they're just gone.

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I'm Carol Hughes.

Kathy Gordon, how's it going?

Well, it's going pretty good.

You know, that is kind of an interesting topic you're bringing up today.

We occasionally discuss that idea.

You know how you might have walked right past a ghost

and not even know because you thought it was a person.

I know.

You know, today I was walking my dog at two walks.

I walk him two times every day.

And so this morning, I went a little different walk

than we normally go.

And on my walk, I found seven cents.

I found two pennies and one nickel.

And I was like, well, that's strange.

Not in the same place, right?

Okay.

And we walked a couple miles and so to find seven cents,

I was like, wow, this is some kind of sign.

You know, like I feel like dad's trying to get my attention.

Yeah.

Well, with inflation, that probably was two cents.

Well, when he threw in the nickel, he's like,

that's the exclamation point.

Exactly.

So I was like, I wonder, you know, a lot of times when I get pennies,

I'm like, is he trying to tell me something,

especially if I find one in a really weird place

or more than one in a day?

I'm like, is he trying to tell me something?

Is he trying to prepare me for something?

So the whole walk this morning, I'm thinking about that.

So I take Benji for a walk tonight.

I go a different direction.

I cross my driveway and found a penny on my driveway.

And I pick it up and I know, right?

So I pick it up and I'm like, damn, now I'm up to eight cents.

Like this day is crazy.

It's so good.

It is so crazy.

And I'm like, are you really trying to tell me something?

Like, what's going on here?

And so I'm walking.

I get about another five or six houses up the street.

I found another penny.

That is so weird.

I found nine cents walking today.

Isn't that crazy?

That is crazy.

He could have just left you just a straight dime

and been taking care of it all.

But it was like all this, like I found five coins

three and a half miles of walking today.

It's so strange.

It's a little.

So then I spent most of the, well, most of both walks,

thinking about what it might mean.

And I've been having some stress lately.

It's due to our mother and just her health.

You have stress about it too.

So I was like, is he trying to tell me something?

Is he just trying to say you're doing a good job?

You know, I don't know.

He was really strange.

You know, Dad was always good about

giving you a pen on the back.

You know, that was kind of his role.

His dad was to be the person that, you know, motivated us.

And he really did that.

I think, you know, like one of the things I remember

from my dad and it always stuck with me

was that one time, I think I was probably in the

like seventh or eighth grade at the time and, you know,

talking about when I grow up, what do I want to do and stuff.

And I said, you know, I think maybe, maybe law

would be a possibility.

And I said, but, you know, I've been reading this stuff.

And there's a lot of there, you know,

a lot of attorneys these days.

And it seems like it's, there's going to be too many of them

down the road or whatever.

And I remember dad looked at me and he said,

well, you know, that could be true.

There could be a lot of them.

He said, but it really doesn't matter if you're the best.

Yeah, that was my dad thing to say.

That is my dad through and through.

And that always stuck with me, not just in that context,

but in every context.

When I would get down and stuff, I think,

yeah, but it doesn't matter if I'm the best.

Yeah, you know, if I'm good at it,

people will find me and want me, you know.

So anyway, that's, that's so dad.

So that's what makes me think that this trail of coins today

had something more to do with dad.

Just because it is because I'm the only one here with her.

So I'm her DPOA.

I'm a primary caregiver.

I mean, she lives in a facility, but I'm the one who asked to do all the stuff

because I'm every time she's all here,

anything happens here there.

And so it's been stressful lately.

And I was like, maybe he's just like,

hey, I just want you to know I see you.

And one penny isn't going to get through.

So I'm going to send you five different coins one day.

And it's just kind of crazy.

So I spent a lot of time thinking about him today.

Yeah, it's funny.

I was thinking about him today too, quite a bit.

And I even thought that at the moment.

I thought, you know, what do my dad is so on my mind today?

And I was even thinking about the date.

Like, was there something that happened on this particular day?

And I'm like, no, I can't.

This doesn't.

This particular day doesn't seem to jump out at me.

But he was really on my mind too today.

Yeah.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

We'll keep you posted if I get any more coins coming my way.

But it was just strange because I mean, I walk all over my neighborhood.

Do you know, I think my neighbors are like,

there's that girl walking her dog again.

She's always looking at the ground.

Oh, look, she's picking something else up again.

But, you know, it was just today because Benji was going to turn left.

And I'm like, let's go right.

I want to walk this way today.

So we went in a different direction this morning and everything.

And so it was just funny, just weird, just weird.

Well, this is an interesting story, though, because Kathy and I have talked about this a lot.

And we've had some stories about it.

Like, what if you really did see a ghost?

Because some people describe them as not like,

because I think you think it's kind of like see through.

Well, yeah, you go, we did that at the same time.

But what if it's just like a real person that you're at the park and you walked by

and you said, hi.

And then you just never turned around to see that they had disappeared.

It could be that real, right?

Yeah.

So here's a story that says on a recent episode,

you were talking about whether people might see spirits more often than they realize.

Like, maybe it happens and our brains file it under and quotes person and move on.

That has stuck with me because I think that might be what's been happening to me for years.

I don't see things constantly.

It's just that sometimes I notice an extra person in a room.

They look completely normal.

They blend in.

And then when I look again, they're not there.

It's happened to me about five times that I can clearly remember,

spread out over a few years.

What makes it hard to explain is that it never feels threatening.

If it were scary, I'd probably have done something about it.

Instead, it feels like a glitch.

And then I'm left trying to convince myself, oh, I just miscounted.

The first time I remember clearly was at my sister's house during a loud family dinner.

Kids running around, people moving in and out of the kitchen, nothing unusual.

I was carrying plates and did that automatic head count you do without thinking.

And I counted one extra.

There was someone standing near the doorway between the living room and the hallway.

Not doing anything strange.

Just standing there like they were waiting for the bathroom or for someone to finish conversation.

I didn't think ghost.

I thought maybe a neighbor had stopped by.

I set the plates down, stepped around the corner.

And when I looked back, the doorway was empty.

And the hallway was empty too.

I even walked down at just a double check.

No doors open, no footsteps.

Everyone who was supposed to be there was accounted for.

So I told myself I'd mistaken a shadow or a coat rack for a person

because it was easier for me to think about it that way.

The second time was at a grocery store.

I was in line doing the usual mental math of how long it's going to take.

I noticed two people behind me reflected in one of those shiny surfaces near the checkout.

A woman with a basket and someone standing slightly off to the side.

And I turned to give them more room.

And there was only one more person behind me.

I looked down both aisles like maybe someone had quickly stepped away,

but there wasn't that movement you'd expect.

It was just an empty space.

I felt a little unsettled.

I was aware that my brain had registered someone who was apparently not there.

The third time happened at work, I was alone in the office that afternoon.

Everyone else was off-sighted in a meeting.

I'd stayed behind to finish up something.

From my desk, I can see part of the hallway leading to the break room

without even turning my head.

I looked up and saw someone standing there, angled like they had just stepped out

and they were waiting for someone.

I didn't react right away because it felt normal.

Then my brain caught up and reminded me I was the only one in the building.

When I looked again, no one was there.

I sat there for a minute staring,

half expecting someone to step back into view.

Nothing did, no doors, no sounds, just a hem of the air conditioner,

and that's when I stopped fully blaming lighting or reflections.

I still didn't jump to anything paranormal, but I couldn't explain it.

The fourth time is the one that changed things for me,

and I didn't even see anything at first.

My husband and I were home on a Saturday afternoon,

middle of the day, sunlight coming in through the windows.

He was in the kitchen talking to me while I folded laundry in the living room.

In the middle of a sentence, he stopped and he said,

who's in the hallway?

He wasn't whispering.

He didn't sound afraid.

He said it in that matter of fact way.

Who's in the hallway?

I looked at him, thinking he was joking.

He wasn't.

He was staring past me towards the hallway.

I turned around.

It was empty.

So I said, well, what do you mean?

And he said he thought someone was standing there.

He couldn't describe them.

He said just a person.

Not a shadow, not something weird looking,

just someone standing in the hallway.

That's exactly how it had always been for me,

normal enough that you don't question it at first.

If it had only ever been me,

I could have kept brushing it off,

but he saw someone before I did.

That's when it shifted from my eyes playing tricks

to something I couldn't neatly explain.

The fifth time happened a few months later at a friend's house,

we were all crowded into the kitchen like some,

like people always are at get togethers.

I glanced toward the living room and saw someone sitting at the far end of the couch.

They weren't staring.

They weren't doing anything strange.

They were just sitting there like they belonged.

I didn't immediately turn to stare like I usually would,

but I paused and I watched my husband.

Second later,

his eyes looked toward the living room.

He stopped mid-sip.

Tiny hesitation.

He didn't say anything out loud.

We were in a room full of people,

but I saw that same half second of confusion across his face.

Then he looked away.

I never turned directly toward the couch.

I didn't need to.

I already knew what I had seen.

And later in the car,

I asked him if he had noticed someone on the couch.

And he took a second before answering.

And then he said, yes, just for a moment.

That was it.

We didn't have a big, long conversation.

There was no panic.

It was just acknowledgement.

Since then, I've noticed something about myself.

When it happens,

now when I catch that sense of someone standing slightly apart from the group

or lingering in a doorway,

I don't whip my head around anymore.

I wait.

I wait to see who notices first.

Because if it's just me,

I can still tell myself it's stress.

It's lighting, or it's just my brain.

But when someone else pauses mid-sentence

or glances at an empty space like they're tracking a person,

it changes things.

Nothing is escalated.

Nothing is spoken to me or touch me.

It doesn't feel malicious.

If anything, it feels neutral.

Like sometimes there's just an extra presence

that blends in with the living.

So well, you almost miss it.

I don't know what that means.

I don't know if it's spirits

or something our brains occasionally miss fire on.

I just know that I never used to question the number of people in a room,

and now I do.

And when it happens, I find myself standing still for a second longer than I used to,

waiting to see if anyone notices.

Thanks for letting people share things like this without feeling ridiculous.

Sarah.

And you just have to wonder how often has that happened to anyone?

I tell you, I find this absolutely

this concept absolutely fascinating,

because I feel the same way.

I have thought there's times that I've looked over and thought somebody was standing there,

and then they just weren't.

You know, for whatever reason, like you see them, you think that's fine, whatever,

and then you look back and go, oh, I thought,

okay, well, whatever.

And you just go on, right?

How many times?

Everybody think about this.

How many times does that happen to you?

Yeah.

Where you've thought it could even happen and you didn't even have any weird things on.

Exactly.

That's why I'm saying, like for example,

you're just standing a target in line.

You look over, you see a guy standing there, and I think more often than not,

it's, there is some sort of contact, like eye contact,

like they look at you and you look at them.

There's something that draws you,

but then you just go on with your life.

Now, with that said, were they real?

Yeah.

Right?

Because I think that you just got your stuff in left target.

Were they really there?

And that standing in line thing is a good example of that, because you're kind of aware,

obviously, of the person in front of you who's checking out,

but you're aware of the people behind you.

Two, even though you're not looking at the people behind you,

I happen to know that woman just walked up behind me and that other woman

stepped behind her.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, because like at the self checkout the other night,

there was a hundred people in line, and I'm like,

like thinking to myself, God, there's like seven people behind me, even.

So I'm aware of the people behind me, even though I'm not watching them.

Now, wouldn't it be weird if you turned around and it's like nobody there,

or you turned around, it's like two people.

And it's like, where did the other five people go?

Well, I just think this might happen a lot.

And now, now we've got to go to, okay, so what are we seeing?

Are we seeing ghosts?

Are they spirits, etc. still here?

Are we seeing aliens that are made to look just like us, that are walking among us,

getting information, doing things, whatever.

Yeah, like this is how I go to a family get together.

Are they guardian spirits?

Yeah.

You know, like, are they angels?

Are they guardian spirits that are walking among us?

Because for example, she said there was somebody she saw.

I think it was the first one she was talking about over her sister's house.

She saw somebody in the doorway.

Now, maybe that was somebody else at the party's particular guardian.

Right.

You just just happened to see them for some reason, right?

You're more sensitive, so you see things.

Apparently, your husband is too.

Because he's been...

That's kind of cool, actually.

I think so too.

Because it's nice to go through life with somebody that can understand you,

what's going on with you.

But I think, you know, maybe we're seeing occasionally,

maybe it has nothing to do with us,

but it has something to do with somebody else.

We just happen to be sensitive and catch it.

Or is it something that's planted somewhere to get us into a particular,

to go a particular direction?

Does that make sense?

So maybe somebody catches our eye,

they do something over here that makes us stop for two seconds and look at them.

That's two seconds later than you made it to your car that you wouldn't have

if you hadn't stopped.

And maybe it kept you safe from something else.

I mean, how many times have you thought, wow, I was almost there.

When this, you know, you come up on a wreck or something and you think,

oh my gosh, it just happened.

And I was, it would have been me if I hadn't stopped and that happened or whatever.

You know, we've all had those sorts of things happen to us,

but something to strike.

If you look back at that day, you go, well, any number of things could have changed.

But I, you know, I just always think this one time I almost was in an accident.

I was driving a van with a bunch of college students in it.

And some lady came off of the, like she was merging into traffic off of a ramp.

And it just totally oblivious.

She just started coming in and, you know, I almost wrecked.

There was a car accident.

It was this whole thing.

Anyway, everybody's safe and sound.

But I thought about this girl who had, you know, brought too many suitcases.

And we had this whole discussion about whether she should go back in.

And I said, oh, we just don't have time.

But if we hadn't sat there and had this little conversation,

would I have been about there when that, you know what I mean?

I always just think little things like that.

Like, I'm just not sure.

It almost feels like they're angels or some sort of protections.

But it could also be somebody else's spirit.

It could be somebody else's.

It's not necessarily yours.

Yeah.

Like you can see dead people.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I found that very interesting.

I think there's something to it.

And I would, I hope that if other people had the same thing that they

write into us and tell us their experience like that.

Because I really like to hear more of that.

I would too.

I think we're, I think we're on to something with this.

Because I just, you have no idea how many times you've seen someone who wasn't there.

Yeah.

No idea.

Because you were convinced it was a person.

Yeah.

They look just like everybody else.

But we've all, if you think about it, we've all had it happen where we,

we turned around and went, oh, huh.

I thought, okay, well, all right.

You know, and you just go on or not even at any, oh, huh.

It could just be, hi, how are you?

And then you just kept on walking.

Right.

There's that, right?

That you just have no idea.

So we might see it every day two or three times.

We don't know.

You might be someone who sees dead people.

You just don't know it.

Yeah.

Well, let's go to this phone call.

And this is Troy from Columbus, Ohio.

I looked at a little story.

So me and my ex fiance, we decided to get our own place.

And we got this apartment.

Her dad used to run.

I don't know if he still does anymore, but

and it's an old place.

It's kind of in a rough neighborhood.

I wanted to do it some history on the place.

I wasn't doing it because I'm a paranormal supernatural geek.

So I couldn't find anything on it.

So one day, it's about three months limited in the place.

I always, when I bring the groceries in,

I think we had a cat and I put the cat in the guest bedroom

while we bring good groceries to the door.

Sometime it passed after the cat was in the bedroom.

We had already unloaded the groceries and they're like,

oh crap, I gotta go get the cat.

So I go up and open the door and I don't see the cat anywhere.

Well, behind the door, when I opened it, the cage was there.

I couldn't open the door all the way.

And the cage was the cat locked in the cage.

And if not one of those cages where you can log it yet,

I'd take two hands to open it up and lock it.

So I thought that was kind of weird.

So I let him out.

And sometime I went by in a couple of days later,

I'm downstairs, plus TV, she's at work.

And I hear footsteps upstairs.

I'm like, I'm going to catch right next to me.

So I know it's not the cat.

I go upstairs, so just two bedrooms upstairs in the bathroom.

Nobody's up there.

Nothing I can make any noise.

So she comes home later that night and I'm like,

all right, there's some stuff going on in the house.

I'm like, all right, I got a digital voice recorder.

We're going to sit here, write some candles,

let her know what I thought.

Is that there for about an hour?

I started asking questions.

You know, with who are you?

What's your name?

A little bit of a standard stuff.

And she spooked out of her mind.

And it's a pretty eerie place, because you're the lights off and the candle's on.

So it's pretty, both of it's pretty spooked out.

So I let it, I just let the digital recorder run all night.

See what I can't do next day.

So the next day I take it to work and I'm listening until I work.

And my headphones and nothing, just nothing, just all quiet.

And tell about the end of the recording.

All you can hear, I have to replay it like six times.

All you can hear is a faint voice.

So I can't get a plug into the computer and I can't answer.

And it's a little girl's voice.

And I was with my neighbors.

I took the GNSF gig, but we got a little girl.

But no, no, it all kids, no, it all kids.

No, I thought that was weird.

So I did it again.

Yes, next night, it was a same exact thing.

At the end of the recording, you hear the girl's voice.

So I did do some research on it and it seems there was a woman that died in the house,

but she didn't have kids either, which is really weird.

She died in natural volume.

But I just thought that was pretty spooky.

I think the spookiest part is that they put the cat in the bedroom because

they don't want the cat to get out.

It's like we're unloading the car, staying in the bedroom.

And I get how you could forget you might have done that.

And cats are fine.

The balls sound asleep in the bedroom.

But the fact that then they go in there, it's like, oh, crap, cats in the bedroom

and the cats in the kennel in the bedroom behind the door.

Yeah, behind the door.

A cat can't lock itself into the kennel.

No, no, no, no, no.

That really is creepy.

You're right with that.

What do you think about?

Would it have to be, I mean, you hear a little girl's voice,

said a woman died there, but it doesn't mean that at some point,

there wasn't a little, a girl.

Yeah, I don't think that just because you can't find

anything that proved a girl died there, because I think,

and let's keep in mind, it can always be a demon pretending to be a child.

True.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then, you know, if someone's trying to get through, like, I have a friend

who always talks like this, and she's kind of like this off-spoken person.

And now, if that came through as an EVP, I'm going to guess it's going to sound like a little girl, you know.

But true, there is that.

So, I mean, it doesn't have to come across as a little,

you know, it doesn't mean that you have to find evidence that a little girl died in there

to have a little girl ghost in there.

Yeah, and I do want to mention to Troy that probably turning on the digital recorder

and lighting the candles might not be the most romantic thing

that your girlfriend could think that you guys were going to do.

Like, I was laughing when he said that because I'm like, if she isn't into this,

Troy, it is over.

And I suppose that's why she was the X-Fiancé in this story.

I was like, he's like, no, we are going to find this ghost.

We're going to get this on this tape.

And then he's like, I've got it.

I've got a little girl.

We're going to ask a question.

EVP, you know, other people would be like head over heels for you, Troy, you know.

But not everybody is like, you know, has the

disposition to be able to do that.

Yeah, I get that.

Like, she's all, oh, he's getting ready.

And then he's like, let's listen for EVP.

You're doing what?

And then candles are all lit, you know.

And it's like, we're what?

Well, and what he probably didn't add was the second time when he got the second EVP

that was shortly, shortly thereafter, the girlfriend broke up.

Another EVP you've got.

We're doing this again.

Talking, asking questions of spirits all night.

So I don't know.

And I'm telling you, there is a woman out there that that's her love language, Troy.

Right.

So that might be a better fit for you.

This can be a good one.

I'm just wondering, you know, and he might have found that other one.

I don't know.

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