The GOP's Open Society w/ Pete Quinones: Ep. 552

0:00Man in the life man is like this man. You're not in butterfly flattening wing. Take down another force. Man it gonna cause a tree fall. Let it five thousand miles away man. You think nobody's seeing nobody. Man you should look, you don't need no man. It's like you don't need this to work. Man you got to like it. It's like that man. That's the way it man. Like a diagonal pin on that man. Man you got to like it. Man you got to like it. I've spoken a lot on this channel about conservative ideology. I recently read R.R. R. Reno's Return of the Strong Gods, which, while far from a perfect book, presents a very convincing case that establishment conservative ideology and liberal ideology are fundamentally approaching the exact same project, which is creating an open society, a society free from constraint.

1:01Now the right and the left approaches this differently. The left predominantly goes after social bonds, abolishing the family, abolishing gender, abolishing the traditional boundaries between classes and institutions. The right has a different vector of attack, but ultimately it accomplishes the same ends. The goal of course is to create free movement of labor and capital. Free from any sort of bond, any sort of border, an open society along a different axis, again primarily a financial one, but ultimately the same project. Look R.R.R. R.R.'s book is light on prescription, but I think he makes a solid case. And when examining current conservative ideology, we see the exact same thing. I'll be it not universally applied. This ideology only exists to terminate certain thoughts, to preclude certain courses of action. In the recent conversation around JD Vance's suggestion, to promote, single or promote,

2:02stay at home, motherhood, by allowing them to claim federal funds, we see this exact same pivot that we've described before, back to zombie Reaganist, the idea that, oh, we can't do that. Our ideology, our principles, preclude us from taking that action. But again, that's not the same standard we apply to other nations. Nations like Israel and Ukraine, who seemingly are given unlimited social largesse. In today's episode, I brought on the great Pete Guinones, and just to torture him, just to see him squirm, I played him a few clips of Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin. If you're listening to the audio one, at least scroll over to the video, because his reaction is pretty good. I think it's fine. And also, it's a very productive conversation about ideology. What is the correct role of ideology and what causes people to abandon it? But before I get into the episode, this episode and all the others are sponsored,

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4:02It's our link, dude. Yeah. Look, they're hazards to our line of work. And when I was writing a lot, I learned something similar that Hemingway's advice to write drunk edit sober is phenomenal for your work output, but horrible for your liver. And so try not to mix alcohol in the job. But I will say, if you end up having a recording episode, just got back from a Labor Day party, you're a little lickered up. Oh boy, does it make it really fun to talk about Marklevin? Yeah, yeah, you gotta be careful, you know, because you can end up in Gitmo with just one wrong word there. Yeah, I generally try to just save myself the effort of having to edit myself, because I know I'll forget. But when I was recording that, and there were some segments I just pulled out, because it was like, you know what? Even through a bar and tone, this one will probably be clear what I'm saying. You know, talking about the ADA is applied

5:02to certain types of facilities. We'll leave that to the readers imagination. But yeah, it's a hazard. But, you know, my peculiarity towards alcohol is beside. I wanted to get you on Pete to discuss something I've been thinking about a lot. I've been going back through a couple of the sort of standard texts that I just hadn't read. And I just finished our Reno's Return of the Strong Gods, which I would say is a solid six out of 10. The diagnosis is quite good, but as Charles Haywood said in his review, which is very good, this is sort of just, there's no prescription. It's, this system is broken and bad. Both sides are captivated by the post-war consensus, where that phrase was really popularized, and we should do something, sort of the underpants known, if you will. But nonetheless, in that book,

6:04he really clearly describes how, particularly conservatism has been captured by ideology. And when he talks about the right, their version of the post-war consensus is still freedom from control, freedom to do whatever you want, but expressed differently, primarily in an economic sense. He spends a lot of that book talking about Hayek, Hayek who was friends with a lot of these sort of great society liberals. And particularly, I noticed this with a recent event, JD Vance's proposal for basically, giving stay-at-home moms access to federal funds. Now, to put it mildly, Pete, you and I have our opinions of JD Vance. That's not really what we're talking about here. But what I did notice, what I did think was interesting, is how quickly all of these wise August Conservatives pivot back to zombie Reaganism,

7:04pivot back to that ideology. And look, I know you and I have done a number of conversations on ideology, on these sort of universal system of ideas that are supposed to encapsulate everything. And really, that is almost synonymous with our post-war consensus. The idea that you're supposed to have a worked out, comprehensive, autistic plan for society. And so, that's really what I've been thinking about. And so I'm curious, one, what did you notice in this sort of uproar around the idea that, hey, maybe stay-at-home moms should have some form of help from the government? What did you notice in that instance? Well, it's an attack on patronage as just what it is. And that's not uncommon from the right from conservatives, unless, of course, it's a certain country in the Middle East. They're the only ones that are allowed to have patronage.

8:05I know you've talked about this on your show that Ben Shapiro is the main culprit of that. If Israel needs money, we have to give them all the patronage that they need. But if you, you know, who live right down the street from where, you know, seven generations of ancestors are buried, can't pay your bills, you have to leave and go somewhere else. Oh, and by the way, we're just going to buy that cemetery and pay over it because fuck you. You know, so that's what I notice. I notice that conservatives have no idea what patronage would mean. Immediately, some of the more even people who may be further to the right than conservatives, who are more kosher, they started using this use excuse that, oh, you know, black people are going to be getting this to this will be abused. It's going to be abused anyway. If it is going to go to the pet patrons of the regime and somebody else is saying,

9:12well, how about we funnel off at least some of that to our people? Well, that sounds like a good deal to me. It's also just as, and as somebody who called themselves a libertarian way too late into my life. It is libertarianism. It is, you know, people like Dave Smith, when you say that libertarianism has poisoned the minds of conservatism, whatever you would call a mainstream right wing in the United States, when they'll say, well, no, that's just not real libertarianism. It's okay. Well, it's never real anything. But what it is is you came up with an idea that they looked at and conservatism said, yeah, we're not going to be able to do that perfectly, but this is something that we can use to our advantage, just like capitalism. You know, capitalism, you're never going to have true capitalism,

10:15because there's always going to be a state and there's always going to be some people that are going to be able to organize to the point where they control most of the means of production. But sure, when you point that out and say, hey, but you're your idea that you're pushing here, that's just being all these ideas you're coming up with, or just being molested and basically turned out to be a real libertarian. And basically turned into something that's going to enslave everybody, and they're going to force you to be, to either be like, well, at least it's better than total communism or socialism, which is another thing that will never exist. But you can't lay the blame on us. I know I came up with the idea. I know I came up with this idea and somebody else bastardized it, but don't blame me for, no, take a little responsibility if you come, if you came up with something, if you started promoting something, these things are not old.

11:19I mean, you're coming out of the Ancien regime and you have industrial capitalism and it mutates into what is now financial, financialized capitalism. And that's all it's ever going to be. So basically what you do is you have this quote unquote right wing that doesn't want to win, is just happy to be there, doesn't understand. And if they don't want to win, then patronage is only going to go to the people who have the power, the ultimate power to keep them in power, which is a very small minority that's well organized and well funded, maybe even controls some of the levers of the banks and the printing press. And as long as they can keep a few people voting by scaring this shit out of them and saying, oh, you know, if you don't vote for us, those leftists are going to get in and they're going to destroy it.

12:21And they're going to come after you and destroy you, which they will, but gee, every time you're in power, you never do anything to like stop that. So basically all I heard was we're happy to be the beautiful losers, but now it's gone beyond what Sam Francis was talking about to the point where they know they're going to lose. They know we're going to lose. It's ultimately going to come down on our heads. And they're just doing everything they can to placate the people in power, the regime in power, so at least they can survive it and they can thrive through it. So it's for just they're taking care of themselves and a few of their patrons and screw everybody else. So Pete, you mentioned a clip from Ben Shapiro. I don't have you know, I actually was planning to pull that off anyway.

13:23So just want to say one great minds think alike. And two, if you're at home, you have to, if you're on social media, follow at info lib news, Chris Medahan, who is incredibly instructive. He clips a lot of these clips I play on this show. He has his own analysis. Follow him. He does great work. But here is Ben Shapiro making exactly that point about how well look Israel has a high birth rate. And we don't need these government programs. That's stupid. You need to be more like us. Now of course he's leaving some stuff out there. Don't worry. We'll get to it. But here's here's Ben. Every single Israeli has a national commitment to the future of the state and to the Jewish people, which is why align the old very often here in Israel and in the Jewish community more broadly, but mostly in Israel, is the best revenge against Hitler is to have lots of kids, all the elements of having lots of kids are there and could be there for Americans, right?

14:27Because civic nationalism is a thing where moral, religious country, then Europe. And we have those social spaces. It's possible to have kinship networks again. But all of those things are non-governmental in origin. By vanishingly few Americans believe the survival of America is dependent on them having kids, pretty much all the Israelis do, even the ones who aren't religious. So we could do those things, but again, what you'll notice in that entire litany, what you'll notice is that there is no talk of the government. It is not government policy in Israel that is causing people to have children. It is social fabric that is causing people to have kids. Well, I just got to say, I think I have to show Pete more Ben Shapiro clips, because Pete, the look on your face during that was, I don't know. I feel a little bad at the point. I don't know that I can comment. That's probably fair. One, just want to say before we get into this, it's an interesting show game, right? Because if you notice at the beginning, he's like, oh, you know, the people of Israel are motivated by securing a future for the people of Israel.

15:31By securing a future for their nation, but also for the Jewish people. But when he pivots to us, of course, it's civic nationalism. Something different. Or even in his own direct words, he can't bring himself to literally say you should act like us. But also, that's not true. He's lying to you. The Israeli government actually does pay people to have children. They fund IVF for families. This is also a downstream effect that we are giving the money so they can't have an advanced social network. We are paying them for defense. We are giving them money. And look, money is fungible. If you have a $100 budget, someone gives you 10 to pay for something you need. Well, functionally, you can now allocate those funds differently. But again, the standard is never universally applied. The standard is never. Everyone needs to follow this ideology. It's, as many have said, bootstraps for you patronage for me.

16:36And so even within the broader paradigm of the conservative movement, this libertarianism is never absolute. It exclusively applies to, to be honest, you. You have to do it all your own. And well, if you start to do it on your own, we're going to stop you, of course. We're going to sue you. We're going to go after you. But nonetheless, I think that there's a lot to this generalized suspicion of ideology, which is not the same as a suspicion of principles. There's an interesting dynamic where culturally, many have sort of smuggled in, should we say convenient and immediate terms above sort of existential lines. So they view, you know, ideology is sort of something in a mathematical mode. You know, this is the consistent application, which is different than true and transcend.

17:38The idea that there is something bigger than you. And I think a big part of that, at least in the West, from Westerners, I'm counting Shapiro out here. He's running his own game. Is this suspicion of really anything that can make a claim on you? So what is, should we say, libertarian economics? And look, the right in America is functionally a soft version of libertarian economics. Right? What is the whole idea that, you know, we can't have government programs. Everyone needs to be free to allocate their money. Well, it's sort of a soft version, the Chicago school. Right? But what is it? It's the same idea that any closed society, any society which does not permit people to self-actualize, to do whatever they want. Is illegitimate, it's ultimately fascist. Now, the left wing version is easier to see. They're stupid or about it. They go on about immigration. Let's be honest, so does the right.

18:38They go on about all the gender nonsense. The idea is things must be broken down, made open. And the premise is, well, that will allow every one of us to be maximally free. To be free of constraint. Well, let's bring Ben back in. Well, what happens when you have a group that isn't playing by the rules, so to speak? That isn't playing in the open society. And look, I think even if everyone wore, sincerely worried and to considerly concerned with creating an open society, it would be a bad idea. But it's especially so when you have one group playing for keeps. Actually, many groups are playing for keeps. But when you have a closed society, one that has a high birth rate because it is a entirely concerned with preserving itself through time. willing to do almost anything to accomplish that goal. Well, what happens? Will you get what we have? You get this sort of voluntary social disarmament that leads us to these, to be honest, ridiculous situations.

19:42And it's all justified in this sort of nonsense ideology. This ideology that no one can keep straight doesn't actually apply to anything in practice. And it's just used to, to be honest, beat morally brow-beat people like you and me. I was just, I was thinking that maybe when you were playing that and I was reacting, I was thinking of a famous picture of a famous prop again, just upon being told the background of his photographer. And his reaction was caught on the camera. I hope I at least lived up to a little bit of that. But what you're telling me, what I heard was, existential crisis for me, but not for me. This group and people like Ben Shapiro, the, oh god, the camera with that guy's name.

20:42The one who Dave Smith is, debated twice once at TPUSA. What the hell? Everything with them is an existential crisis. Their whole existence is we, at any and Dennis Prager said this in a debate once. He said that every generation for my tribe, we're looking at genocide. Genocide can, genocide can fall down upon my tribe. And he said, now, does he actually believe that? I don't know. I believe, I believe some who would say that do. I believe some who would say that are just prop again. But when you, when you have a, when you've set yourself up as a, you've set yourself up in a country that can't survive on its own.

21:44It can only survive because of its diaspora, because you have large, well-organized, well-funded groups in different nations. And you're a whole goal. And I don't, Ben Shapiro can say this without getting in trouble where I can't say this without getting in trouble. Where his whole goal basically is to extract as much resources from the host country that he can to fund the country that he cares about. That is the only country he cares about. And he said this before, his, his loyalty to the, to the United States depends only on its support of Israel. Then you are going to, if the only way you can, the only way you can extract from a country is you're essentially going to have to weaken the host population.

22:53And you're, you can hear in the language he uses in that, that Israel needs to do this and everything he's describing is what historically you would look at or even what, what anthropologists would say now is something that keeps civilizations going, would keep a people group going. But what he's describing that he wants for us is something that will destroy us in the end. So, while what he's describing and the way they get to act is as if they're, if their existence is always at risk. That's the way we need to start to act. But as soon as we start acting like them, we're reminded that we know you're civic nationalist.

23:55You're, I don't give a good goddamn about the browning of this country. Another tweet by, by Ben Shapiro. You get to be an economic zone. Your country gets to be an economic zone where anyone from anywhere in the world can come, extract what they need. And they're probably going to go back to their third world shithole or second world shithole on the Levant and live a, you know, live a life like a king because it's a shithole. And by extracting as much wealth as you can, you can from here, you can go and live better than most of the population there. So, those of us who are going to die here and be buried here, we get to fight for scraps. And the whole time we get to fight for scraps and we get to fight for the legacy and the posterity of this country.

25:01We're doing it with one hand side behind our back because we're not allowed to treat, we're not allowed to act as if doom is imminent as another group does. Well, and that, that's why that sort of loser ideology is so toxic. A lot of people will tell you and they're correct that this sort of tactical libertarianism, this sort of beautiful loser conservatism sets you up to be defeated by the left in aggregate. And that's completely true. That's entirely correct. But it also leaves you incredibly vulnerable to this sort of outside influence because the moment you start to object to that situation, the moment you start to say, hey, look, this arrangement doesn't benefit me, doesn't benefit my group. Well, then the immediate pivot is, yeah, we don't do groups here. It's individual basis. You are one of one. How dare you make a claim about any group? How dare you preclude anyone from doing anything?

26:08That's not, do you, do you not respect freedom? And I want to go back to something you said earlier, this is something you and I have talked about for months. This fact that the right in America is about to hit a crisis. Look, the midterms aren't looking good. They might not be entirely cataclysmic. There's been some cherrymandering, but look, it's nowhere near 2024. For instance, just one demo when I happened to be interested in men under 30 has gone from in polling now to be fair, the polling didn't exactly match up on election day. But before the 2024 election, men under 30 were plus four Democrat. Now, that's not how they swung, but you know, apples to apples. It's currently sitting at plus 30, which is, you know, as a statistician, I consider to be fairly significant. That's a lot. So you look at that, you look at broader trends, you're like, all right, this isn't going well. But who is the designated fall guy? Is it the men who have brought us to this situation, who have made the administration extraordinarily unpopular?

27:15Men like, I don't know, Mark Levin, who has the president's ear and got him into this war? No, no, no, it's not their fault. It's the fault of people like you and me, people who weren't significantly open, who weren't significantly slavishly devoted to this zombie rigonism. We scared people off. Oh, you assume that promoting stay-at-home mothers is good? Do that mean you hate women in the workplace? Why do you hate women so much? And that's why the Republican Party is loose. Now, that's not a particularly honest answer, but we understand what that leads to. It'll be a one-two punch to justify an attempted purge of the right. Now, Pete, I'm really putting you through the ringer here because this next clip features not only that in Shapiro, but another one of your personal favorites. I promised this is relevant and this is the last clip, but I knew we were going to hit these and I would have at least cite my sources.

28:15We, you and I have people who we thought were conservatives, sound a lot like the Marxist Islamists who were pending this event last week, don't they? I think it's exactly right. Unfortunately, there's a grievance culture that has become the dominant strain on the left that says that all people in the world who are poor, who have bad lives, that is the fault of the West, that is the fault of Israel, it's the fault of capitalism, it's the fault of the Jews, it's the fault of anyone except for themselves. They have no agency and thus all the systems must be torn down from the... Okay, so Pete, one, I think it's a little bit interesting that these two gentlemen are lecturing us about a culture of victimhood. I'm sure you can think of one prominent event in world history where a certain group was victimized and therefore you and I are not allowed to have a country, right? I'm sure you could think of one or two. Look, man, if everything that comes out of my mouth is victimhood and I'm blaming all my problems on someone else, I learned it by watching you, dad, I learned it by watching you.

29:19Yeah, there is, there is some sort of deep irony, you know, every accusation and confession, so to speak. But I mean, these guys are shameless. They will literally say, we need to act collectively because we have been victimized and there is a chance that we will be victimized again. And then turn around and say, oh, you recognize that your group is facing certain problems? What are you so weak? Why can't you take responsibility? Now, someone, perhaps a more revisionist stripe would say, well, hey, did you bear any responsibility for things that happen to your group? Not allowed to say that. You're never allowed to ask about their own bootstraps, of course, that's off the table. But I'm going to keep letting this play because we get to the purge very quickly and make no bones about it, there will be another attempted purge. Now, we've seen this happen before, we saw this happen to the paleocons, we saw this happen after Charlottesville. You don't need to be a genius to figure out that we're sort of already in the middle of, right, at least the initial push to get certain people.

30:22For instance, I'm not sure if you've noticed Pete, but there's an all out war on Tucker Carlson, and is it really because Tucker Carlson says stupid things about Christian theology or the specifics of math? I don't quite believe that. I feel like there's something else. There's a reason they're going out. I don't believe there is that many math respectors out there that are upset because they're like, why aren't there letters here? This doesn't make any sense. Dude, I was in that whole episode. That whole episode is so awesome. I was just like, this dude is like everyone I grew up with in New York, then he didn't even grow up in New York, and he's just like, he speaks just like, you know, just like, screw all of this. I mean, I love how people can't see past the hyperbole and just the obvious sarcasm of everything. Yeah, unless you doubt that everyone on the internet is autistic, it's like, look, you don't have to think it's a funny joke, but it's like, they're joking.

31:22Obviously, they're joking. And look, there are plenty of things I don't agree with Tucker about. I have very severe disagreements on his theology, for example. But look, if we're measuring everyone by their theology, Tucker's pretty far down the list on that front. It seems to me that there's a vested interest in going after him because he is emblematic of this broader desired purge across the general right. I mean, look, you have these sort of ritual denunciation of figures like Nick Fuentes over and over again. These people are trying to voice to the blame for, well, the consequences of their actions onto someone else. Anyway, let's let Ben, just absolute genius, which by the way, as someone who's only recently started looking at Ben Shapiro again because of how much of a nutcase he is, his eyebrows are kind of impressive. Those were not like that 10 years ago. They're sort of taking over his full face. But anyway, here's Ben.

32:22Roof tops all the way down to the ground. And you see that sort of mirrored on a weird horseshoe part of the right that is now arguing sort of the same thing that the problems that people have are intractable, that there's a shadowy group that's manipulating all of this, that America actually was never great. America was wrong in World War II. America never landed on the moon. And these kind of two forces are now bizarrely joining hands in the middle is very strange. Do you think there's enough of an effort to push back? I find that conservative groups and conservative organizations that have these weekend events and these seminars, whether they're for young people or think tanks of that sort of thing. They sort of sprinkle these events with these cooks. They sprinkle these events with these American haters who claim to be American firsters and are fake maga and even stab the president in the back. Yeah, I mean, I think it's definitely an attempt by some of these organizations to quote unquote maintain the big tent. But the reality is that as many have said, the problem with a big tent is that you may end up with many, many clowns inside.

33:23And the most fundamental thing is that just because you're saying somebody votes Republican, that does not mean that they ought to be the preacher at the front of the church. They're not the person who ought to be leading the movement if they are spending all day criticizing the president of the United States as covering up a massage rape ring or being a tool of these rallies for hitting an Iranian nuclear facility. I think he has said literally his entire career that he was going to do. And so it seems to me that if we are to hold anything in sort of reverence, it ought to be the fundamental tenets of the American president. Of the American Republic, which I believe to reside in conservatism and if conservative organizations are simply going to give up the ghost on that in order to maintain a sort of pseudo coalition that is a gigantic moral and political mistake. I hate you so much, Jayburden. I hate you so much. I do this more to you. This is a nowhere for ends that I should be above this, but this is funny. They kind of like be called as clockwork orange. In all seriousness, what's happening there? Okay, is he on one level arguing against a sort of a sort of big tent fallacy? Yeah, what's happening here?

34:35He's putting out a hit. He's saying these people need to go. And even before this, that clip is from November of last year. We saw this happen. You saw it happen at the young Republicans. You saw it happen at Heritage. They're flexing. They're trying to get rid of any nominal threat to this sort of again, zombie ragans, libertarian economics here to support a socialist state there. It's very clear now. And they will call you anti-American. They will say that you hate this country because you don't want them in charge appealing to that sort of thin rule of ideology. The point of America was always to be the greatest strip mall in history. And if you object to that, even if you justify your objection in some sort of care for, I don't know, the people of this nation, well, you're not as American as I am. Anyway, Pete.

35:35The one of the first things that they brought up there is one of the woke right, you know, things. Oh, this is just grievance politics and grievance culture. You know what else is grievance culture? He is refused to as a sent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He is forbidden as governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance and not suspended in their operations. All his assent should be abstained. And when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has, he has obstructed the administration of justice for quartering large bodies of armed troops among us for protecting them by a mock trial. This country was founded on grievances, a whole list of them. A bunch of people signed off on them knowing that they were going to fucking probably die. This country is about grievances and here's one for this group for this. What?

36:39Is it well, here's a grievance never again. Sorry, Pete, I interrupted. I was going to say this is a group that is all about grievances. All they have is grievances about how we were treated in every country we ever went to. Making up stories about how they were forced into finance when there's tons of books where you can just go and look at their history in barbarian Europe and how nice they were treated during that whole time frame. I mean, if you're, if this is who you're going to allow, if this is who the president who has the president's ear. If this is who the president of the United States talking about Mark Levin now is telling you to go watch his show this weekend or go buy his new book. How is the president of the United States working for you?

37:39You know, I've said, we've said recently on our live stream on Thursday night that we think that there are some really good things happening, but they're not happening because the president is instituting them. It's because the president is so preoccupied working for a foreign power that guys who wants to try to get stuff done that they know can help heritage Americans or those of us who consider ourselves to be Americans and nothing else. Those guys are just going to work in doing things and these people would they want to stop it. You know, I don't care if they're Jewish, if they're a gen... If they're heritage American, if they're Indian, whatever tends to be that they're the biggest, you know, it just happens to be that Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and his tribe. I mean, a war was started on their behalf, which basically possibly could destroy the second half of this presidential cycle.

38:46But saying that the people who love this country and see it as something more than an economic zone and recognize that there is actually like a heritage and a racial factor to the founding of it, and that probably those people should be in charge even if they're completely wrong about everything. At least they may have some kind of tie. There may be some kind of string that you can pull that will bring them back to loving this country again and working for this country again as opposed to a group that their soul. You know, they used to have... They still do this thing about, oh dual loyalty, that's an anti-Semitic trope. You go back to Joe Sobrin, dual loyalty would be an improvement at this point. They have a soul loyalty one and they're doing everything they possibly can to seemingly destroy their cash cow.

39:55And I don't know where they go after this because if you... It's going to get to the point where people are not going to care anymore and they're not going to care who's in charge. I've said, and what's funny is I've heard Rich Berris has been saying this too, I mean somebody who orange just had on yesterday, somebody who a lot of us have been listening to for a while now, he said, oh it looks like that the Gen Z is either going to be far right or far left. And I've been saying for three years that the future is far left authoritarianism or far right authoritarianism. It's just a matter of which one you're going to get. And if there's no... If that... If the future group that's coming up and I'll include millennials in this have no ideology, then it's all going to be about power politics.

40:59And that's just going to make it more dangerous for the group that's not in charge. And believe me, I don't want left authoritarianism. I want right authoritarianism. If that's what the future is. And Paul Gottfried said on my show a couple years ago, the only thing that's going to destroy this regime is right authoritarianism. I tend to agree with Dr. Gottfried, he's a very smart man who's been in the trenches of this for decades now. And if... If there's not going to be a concerted effort right now to destroy that left totalitarian impulse like the DSA and groups like that, while you're in power, while the quote unquote right is in power, then nobody knows what the future looks like. Nobody is going to be able to predict the future. And if the future is uncertain, there's no telling what is going to be...

42:08To rise up in the future and you can't plan for it. Unfortunately for them, unfortunately for us, the group that seems to be the most in charge right now, they have a backup plan. I don't think you or I do, Jaybird. No, I mean, that's perhaps I think the biggest reason that we are starting to see the glowing embers at least of some sort of shifts to the right. I've quipped before on this show that every Gen Z man is either a fascist or a faggot, I think that stands. But across the west you're seeing and again it's nation, it's not done yet, it's not some sort of world-spanning movement, but people realizing exactly that. Look, politics is becoming existential. The consequences of losing aren't simply, my taxes went up. Oh, they changed the flag and my state some statues went down.

43:09It is existential. And that idea, that perception is shared on both sides of this. Look at the lunatic trutes, always winging on about a transgender side. Now, look, if we're talking about people that maybe should accept responsibility, the people writing about how many trans people end up shuffling off this mortal coil, perhaps you should look in the mirror there, right? You know the statistics as well as I do. But nonetheless, there is that perception. There is that sense that, no, if this goes bad, I'll be in a camp somewhere. And okay, it's not real there. We know it's not real because Calvin Klein, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo all support that. But it almost doesn't matter. Because at the moment you think things have become existential, you start playing the game differently. All of these sort of liberal pieties go out the window. And when I say liberal, of course, Pete, I don't mean AOC, I mean broadly liberal.

44:11The idea that we should have a society governed by, well, not particularly serious ideas. Things we can all kind of agree on because we don't want the temperature running too high. Well, guess what? That depends on pretty much everyone kind of agreeing with the plan. Everyone being on the same page, they're being a common culture. And that common culture is well and truly done. We don't even really have two cultures anymore. You know, the two sides of the movie theater, I'm sure you've heard a reference to 100 times. There's a fracture here. And not only is there a fracture, but there is a realization that look, our way of life, kind of schmitty and type of politics we always talk about. That's what the game's being run for. And okay, let's say you have a group of people who are really concerned about that. They're existence, their ability to pass on their culture. Either literally the ability to have kids or once they have them, you know, be assured the fact that they won't be brainwashed will be, you know, sterilized.

45:19Well, you would assume first stop would be normal politics. Get out and vote. Get involved. And to be honest, given a choice, I'd prefer that to be the way that things get fixed. Call me a conservative. Call me a cock. I don't know. But, you know, if I had a choice between things going badly and the system self correcting, I'd prefer that. But here's the problem. People like Ben Shapiro, people like Mark Levin will not let that happen. What was that last clip all about? Get those guys out. Sick them. Make sure they can't fix this problem. Because again, for Mark Levin, for Ben Shapiro, this isn't a problem. This is a solution. The system is for them working exactly as designed. And if you object to that ordering, well, you hate America. We have to get rid of you. The problem is, of course, I'm sure you've noticed this beat. Just getting fired doesn't make those guys disappear. Doesn't make those guys go away.

46:25And all of a sudden, let's say you're six out of 10 on the I'm convinced that politics is existential scale. Like you're, you know what, I'm a little worried about it. And then you lose your job, well, you've just had that confirmed. You know for a fact it's existential because for you, it is. Your lifestyle has been threatened. There's a political hit. They're calling for a political hit. And so to your point about, you know, not having a backup, I think that's the situation I see a ton of guys of realizing like, hey, look, this nation's what I've got. Like I don't have a Mediterranean country. I don't have socialism for me in mind. I can't get into anywhere by right of blood. This is what I've got. And so if traditional politics is off the table, we're going to have to explore alternative options for better or for ill. Well, yeah, and that's when ideology goes out the window because you.

47:33When there's an existential crisis, you tend to be like, okay, whatever works. So Israel famously, if anyone knows anything about Israeli politics, there's all sorts of groups in there. In the Kinesh, there are groups that think it should be done one way. I mean, people think that like Benjamin at Yahoo, who was the most radical person in no, no, there's. There are radicals in Israel to the point where Mike Huckabee has said, yeah, this group may be terrorists. And Mike Huckabee is supposed to be the US ambassador to Israel, but he's basically the Israeli ambassador to the United States. It seems he works for Israel. So what happens? I mean, if you want to go historically, what happens when there's an existential crisis? What happens when people think that they are going to be destroyed, where their civilization, where they're people, where their very being is going to be destroyed?

48:44They adopt the most radical of politics. And it. A lot of it comes with emotion. It can come with emotion. And a lot of bad things are going to happen. It's just I mean bad things are happening now. Look what happens when Israel believes that they're in an excess, they're in a perpetual existential crisis. Well, how did they act? They're basically trying to kill all of their neighbors. Okay, well, I mean, and you're not allowed to say anything about that. But if other historical regimes felt the same exact way, well, they're bad. I mean, I guess that's what 100 years of social engineering will do to you when you see people who are just basically out and out doing things that.

49:49You know, Occidental Christian them looks upon as anathema looks upon as demonic historically. So right now the boomers, the boomer generation seems to have all the power they get out there to vote. They have a ton of wealth. They've been able to accumulate wealth through through many means, but mostly through an inflation of currency over over their lifetime. That has seen them become the richest generation in the history of mankind. But there is and my generation X seems to just really been passed over and you know, we get crapped on a lot because of not. The accusations of nihilism which are not wrong. And so it's going to millennials and Gen Z. And as some very couple smart guys that I know, especially one smart guy I know started talking about how well what's one way that we can prevent these radicals from taking power.

51:06Well, we basically have to destroy them. And if we have to destroy really the only mechanism they have to operate with the GOP in the process, we will do that. So we will get into a war that will spike prices to the point where people may not want to vote for Republican candidates. Essentially weakening the GOP and making the GOP what could possibly weaken the GOP and make them a non factor as if they're not already controlled opposition for a decade or for a generation. But more importantly, to make it to keep people out to keep young people who don't have an ideology or who have been reading about people like Francisco Franco and or even you know failed painters.

52:11We need to keep them out of power because we can't our group can't stay in power. If these people come up and they immediately their politics is immediately to say, okay, who is in charge? Who is pulling the levers? Whoever is pulling the levers and doing this and causing an existential crisis here, we need to make them stop. We need to take power away from them. That's what I see happening. I see that they're either going to destroy every mechanism and or take power away. Take the system or the instrument that they would use to attain power to try to reverse course or at least preserve their own people and their own way.

53:18They need to destroy that or at least weaken it to the point where if these fascists quote unquote do get in power, there's the instrument that they're hoping to use is basically unusable at that point. And because we don't care about left or right, we only care about our identity and perpetuating our identity and keeping this existential crisis going to make sure that our identity and our people thrive and go forward. We're going to make sure that there is no way that anybody can ever fight against us. And I think that's pretty much something that I think you've laid out pretty well and have helped a lot of us to try to formulate and see things even further down the line than that. Also looking at it historically, which is more of what I do is compare it to Jay Burton who is very good at looking at the modern landscape and laying it up better than I am actually.

54:30Actually, Pete, I would say your primary role is as a book salesman because this is on resistance to evil by force, which I picked up after you started your series on it. But in all seriousness, I think the historical perspective is helpful on this because there's one other thing we have to consider with this purge, which is just as you've said when things become existential, people default towards radical politics, radical solutions. And it's easy to read that exclusively in a sense that's positive for you and I. But let's look at the crises, the crises that have hit our regime before we saw these dramatic political changes. What we've got 1865 and okay, yeah, Civil War set that aside. What are the ways in which we really broke convention? We found those political exceptions. Obviously there is the war. That's the big part.

55:31But there were journalists getting thrown in jail. There were sympathizers who got charged sympathizers. All of these liberal priors went out the window. Again, look at World War II, either in America or in England. Again, if you had marked yourself out as an enemy of the regime, you got got. Look at Charles Lindbergh, right? Look at Yaki. Each one of them were seen to be sympathetic or allied to an existential enemy of the regime. And let's be honest, I think another part of this purge I see coming is connections to Iran, whether real or fabricated. Oh, you're sympathizing, you're aiding and abetting a foreign terrorist. And look, there have been people already charged with that. Some of them perhaps legitimately. For instance, when you know, left wing intellectual Hassan Piker said I went to Cuba to take money from a guy involved in the CCP.

56:34I mean, that's really stupid both doing it and then admitting it in front of thousands of people. But you could look at that and say, yeah, that guy probably should be in jail for that. That is illegal. But as we've seen again, and yet he's not exactly right, he still gets to be rich and famous. But you will not be given that same benefit of the doubt. You've seen this again and again. Look at what happened after January 6th. Look at what happened during the Biden years. And those are in the grand scheme of things, a non-crisis setting. Look, I'm sure your aunt thought January 6th was a genuine attempted overthrowing the government. But like, did the director of the FBI? I mean, publicly, I assume he said so. But come on, we know what's happening there. And I would love to be wrong, but I assume that one of the main vectors of attack once this all blows up is that exactly that. By criticizing Israel, by criticizing America, not only do you hate this nation, but you're aiding the foreign, you're aiding a foreign enemy. And there will be my words on this. There will be reprisals.

57:39But, you know, look, not to be too doom and gloom here, I do think the post-war consensus is dying from both the right and the left. No one actually believes in it anymore. You've seen the same data I have about perceptions towards our greatest ally. But the question is, of course, what will they do until that matters? I think that your point that these people have deranged themselves. They've started doing things that even from their own perspective are stupid. Like, look, I am to put it mildly, no great fan of Israel. But if I were playing a map game, and I was playing the Israel character, I wouldn't be doing it like this to put it mildly. It's a bad way to go about. So clearly, there is a level to which they are deranged. They're willing to create those exceptions. So, I don't know. They're losing, but perhaps not as quickly as we would like. Pete, I know you've got a heart out. I want to respect your time. Thanks so much for coming on, man. Is there anything you want to say before we wrap up?

58:45No, thank you for doing these episodes highlighting. I could never, obviously you can see from my face that I could never watch these videos and comments on them. Because I will be in so much trouble, especially if much like Jay Birdon, I decided to have a couple of, you know, I have a couple of drinks before I did that that really loosens up the tongue a lot. Yeah, I mean, I just, if I can say anything, and even guys in our sphere who like to paint themselves as the, hey, I'm the moderate option here, they understand that this is an existential crisis right now. And we have to start having the attitude that it is. And what does that mean? That means that there are a lot of people who get radical and you really stupid things.

59:45But more importantly, at this point, I think it's just important to find other people of a like mind who understand what this is, especially people who are not getting paid by the regime to promote what the regime is doing at this point. Those are people who should be sideline at the very least. Find your people, talk about it, start trying to do whatever you can in your area to prepare, you know, prepare for what possibly could be coming because it does seem like there is a power faction out there that wants. If they're going to fight against what they see as if they're going to cancel people, the best way that they can cancel people is to point the finger at those people so that I don't know, maybe maybe something that happens to Charlie Kirk a year ago today starts to happen to other people.

1:01:03Maybe not so I mean, I don't know that you can get more high profile than Charlie Kirk, but is that really stop people before. Well said Pete, where can people find you? Peaking on a show pizza abstract calm. Thank you Jay. I appreciate it. Pete, it's a ton of fun. Everyone home. Keep your head up. Like it last forever. Good night.