The Hockey Show: The Panthers Own The Oilers (feat. Dave Jackson)

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I'm going to talk about the injuries, right? The injury updates that we have. God damn it.

You guys are throwing me off, man. So Rose. Yes. What what happened? That has Roy. So just totally

discombobulated right now. Our cold open was we still don't know what what it was to change their

appearances. Golden interference. Yeah. I'm not going to keep washing. That's just boring. So I need

a hook to be a hook. But anyway, that takes us to a lot of injuries that Roy wanted to talk. So

I'm going to throw it back to Roy. Come on, Roy. All right. Before I do that, let me just pub where we

are on social. Okay. So we're on YouTube at the hockey show DLS on TikTok. The hockey show seven

on X Instagram and Threads at hockey show DLS. Now we have some injury updates. Austin Matthews

under what successful MCL surgery and will be out for 12 weeks. He'll be back in time for training

camp. That happened with the Raccoon Buddhist knee on the collision. We'll be back for the conference

finals, right? Yeah. All right. We know that Toronto is not. Toronto fans. Sorry, shameless.

You just laughing. I was trolling at you. No, I mean, whatever. Alexander Barkhovel will be back for

the conference finals. Oh, my God. Why would you do that? Wow. For real? Well, there you go, Toronto,

fans. Yeah. You got your back. You got your back. Yeah. Yeah. This is a this is a neutral show.

You know, we're all journalists here. I'm not. Yeah, you're not a journalist. Speaking of laughing at

somebody, the olders, the Leon dry side will be out for the rest of the regular season. He'll

probably be back in time for. They'll be in the playoffs. Thank you. And of what will they?

Yeah. And second place in the for the Pacific is a terrible. This division is so bad men. Oh,

if the Panthers were just in that division, they they still wouldn't be in the playoffs. If they

just played in San Jose or something, technically, they still wouldn't be in. Yeah. What if you

won't win out of a wild card? They would they really? They'd be one point out of the wild. 71 points.

Yeah. Wow. Speaking of Raccoon, just, uh, Sydney Crosby came back into the lineup 40 penguins in

their six five over time, very three against Carolina. You had to go and assist. Now, as I said,

Toronto's not making the playoffs. Emerton is in a good spot. Six points clear to Kings right now

who has a has the second raw card. As Dave said, the Panthers will be a point out of that second

raw card. That's how bad that division is in the West. You made it to sell it. Uh, but, uh,

we'll talk about the blue jackets in a second. Very good. The penguins are trying to hold them off

on a, uh, on their playoff spot as I continue to ignore rows. Uh, let's talk about

uh, Cindy Crosby's return and how huge that is for the penguins, Dave. I think it's exceptionally

huge for Pittsburgh because they can't seem to keep the puck out of their own net lately. I mean,

we talked to a couple of shows ago about how Stuart Stinner had been so good for Pittsburgh since

coming over from, uh, the wellers and that that's not the complete opposite, uh, for Tristan Jari

in Emerton. No, it's it's been kind of bad for everybody. And Stinner is not doing well,

Archer Shilabs, who I really like, you know, won the Calder Cup last year with Abbotsford. He's

not doing well for Pittsburgh. So they need all the help they can get right now. So Crosby being

let back in the lineup. That's big. Also another bad thing for Pittsburgh. You know, bad Chris

Latane has been playing lately. Yeah. I saw his numbers recently. He's had a terrible year.

Yeah. Eric Carlson has kind of had a bounce back year. I've heard people Akburn talking about it

a lot on what chaos recently, but Latane has been rough. But I mean, you know, that I guess

Pittsburgh just decided this year we're going to take one last stab at it with this aging core.

And it's going to work like they're probably going to make the playoffs right now. They're sitting

in second place in the metropolitan division with 84 points. Uh, the, the islanders are a point out.

The blue jackets have actually been playing outstanding recently. They've snuck into the third

spot in the division now. But one of these three teams, two of these three teams, the islanders,

the penguins and the blue jackets are going to make the playoffs. And two of those teams before the

year, people thought would be bottom feeders in the Eastern Conference. So really an interesting

year in the East, but especially in the metropolitan division where the capitals have fallen out of it,

the devils have fallen out of it. And now you have these two teams that were not expected to be

competitive at all competing in the playoffs spot. And a guy will talk about in a minute has been

a huge reason for that for the islanders. And that's Matthew Schaefer. Kid is unbelievable.

Do you guys remember where you put the sharks and whatever teams we're talking about in your

tier or shark? We had them all as potential playoffs teams. Yeah, we saw that coming. Good for you,

guys. I was on the ducks early this year. Yeah, I love that ducks team and their first place in

the Pacific division right now. I mean, they haven't just been a dark horse to make the playoffs.

They have been one of the better teams in the Western Conference. And I mean, the best team in

their division, which isn't really saying much. They're sitting on 78 points. Are we done? Not yet.

We didn't see how bad the Pacific division was going to be at the beginning. No, not at all. That

is a cluster. Yeah, I mean, the ducks would not even be just one more point on this. The ducks would

be third team out of the wild card spot right now. They would be six points out of a wild card spot

in the Eastern Conference, which is crazy. You got a winner. You brought up what chaos by the way,

DJ Bean was in town. We didn't get to see him, unfortunately, but he had a tragic time in Miami.

I know. I felt so bad for him. It was both the bad for him. I was talking to him a little bit. He's

like, what do I do in Miami when it's raining? I'm like, I don't really know. I told him, I told him

to go eat. I told him to go to your bird. I told him to go to San Wichery. And I told him to go

to the Frost and the Perez Museum right over here. But other than that, it's like, what do you,

you go watch a movie or mini golf or something? But that's the thing. He decided to stay in Miami Beach.

I told him we have a studio in a hotel, going to mainland in downtown, going to mainland and go

to Elser, go to the Elser. It's around everywhere. You got design district up north. You got

windward and you got Brickle. There's a whole bunch of stuff that you can see. You can go across

the street, the base side of one recommend that. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of sea on the

mainland. I mean, wait until, wait until later to go to the South Beach. But that's need to hear

no there. So hopefully a hockey show, not Miami because Miami.

That's political hashtag. This is not the Miami. I'm not going to play a bump. We missed DJ.

Yeah, we missed DJ. That's why I brought them up. It's a hockey show. Well, what chaos show is

a podcast about hockey and his girlfriend. And I just wanted to mention his name. He was a

he was here in town last week. But back to hockey has a rose has subtly subtly suggested.

We've been talking about the Buffalo Sabers, obviously, and a miraculous climb out of the

seller in the Eastern Conference. But we haven't been talking about the Columbus Blue Jackets.

We mentioned it a little bit earlier, but the Columbus Blue Jackets has rose. Like just it's been

almost a miracle since they fired the head coach Dean Everton. Since, and this is from Mark

Shagg, he shared his on his Twitter account, currently known as X. Since the coaching change to

Rick bonus, and at the time they were in last place in the Eastern Conference, that that spot,

by the way, is occupied by the New York Rangers. Since last night, six, three victory against the

Rangers, they are now third in a metropolitan division. They have a game in hand on the

Allenders. That's why the on third right now. They are 17, 2 and 4 since making the change to

Rick bonus. How is this happening in Columbus? No, the new coach bump is always kind of nice,

but the fact that it's been rolling now for months, it's pretty impressive. I think a big reason

guy that's been playing amazing for Columbus, basically since bonus that go for his Adam

Fantilly, he has been that dude for the BJs. Basically a point per game. Man, we have a child.

Come on. CB are the Blue Jackets, the BJs. CBJ. All right, anyway, you guys are taking it to

a funky place. I'm just kind of talking about hockey. Adam Fantilly for the Blue Jackets,

point per game, basically since Rick bonus took over. Since the Olympic break ended, eight goals

and 15 points in 12 games. If he can keep up that kind of pace, they'll be huge for Columbus.

Him and Jack Greaves, who's been quietly amazing in goal for the Blue Jackets. If they can keep it

up, they're going to be scary. Columbus and Buffalo are going to be scary first round out. Yeah, I

genuinely think Buffalo is a wagon. Just since you mentioned them, I mean, they're now four points

up, two games in hand to be fair on the Tampa Bay Lightning in the Atlantic division. But

you talk about Columbus. They are on an 11 point, 11 game point streak right now. They're six or

seven, oh and four in their last 11 games. And they have just jetted up the standings. And it's

exactly what they did last year. Like, let's be very clear about this. Like they started pretty

slow last year. And then everybody kind of they hung around, but towards the end of the year,

they got really hot. And then they just fell off with like four or five games left. So they're

going to have to hold on here at the end of the year in a way that they couldn't do it last

year. But, you know, last year, everybody kind of thought they rode the Johnny Goodrow thing.

And, and, you know, kind of it might have been a fluke. But this team's really good. You look

at that lineup. That's a very talented lineup with led by one of the best defenseman in the

National Hockey League in Zach Orinsky. And I would love to see this team in the playoffs. And I

agree with you, Dave. I think they would be a really tough out for any team come playoff time.

I don't think that Rick bonus has had enough games to be considered for Jack Adams.

But if you look at that race, you know, you think so?

I think, well, remember that was a 2020 or whatever it was when Andrew Brunette took over for

Joe Quinnville. And he was a Jack Adams. That was like seven games. Yeah. But still, I mean,

even at the halfway point, that's a huge, huge turnaround. I mean, Jack McKeon 2003. What's up?

Yeah. Well, I think there's rush going to win. I was going to say there's a clear favorite to

win the Jack Adams this year. And it's going to be Lindy Ruff, who's going to get the play,

the savers to the playoffs for the first time in 14 years. And fully, fully deserves it. Rose.

What's the Jack Adams for those that we don't know? That's the coach of the year. That's the coach

year for the coach of the year. Did Palmer is one of last year? No, Palmer is not one. No,

Jack, John Cooper has not one at all. John Cooper is not one at all. Yeah. So that's the other.

Usually the award is reserved more. Rosie for guys teams that surprise. Like last year,

the coach of the Washington capitals won the Jack Adams. It's more for teams that kind of come out

and know where and surprise rather than a top team like the lightning or the Panthers or whoever.

Yeah. It's not necessary. Well, I want to say it's not necessarily for President

Trophy winning team coaches there. I don't want to say that. But I mean, seeing what the

savers did after they fired Kevin Adams, that is almost automatically especially a team like the

savers 14 years since they've made the playoffs. It's not just that. It's also the turnaround that

they've had within season this year where they were looking like again going out for their 14

straight year without the playoffs, 15 straight year, whatever. And then all of a sudden they are

legitimately to me, they might be the best team in the Eastern Conference. Like they look like an

absolute force and they're going to be a really, really tough outcome playoff time because that team

is good. How long was that winning streak by the way? It was a 14 13 or 14. Yeah, I think it got

to 13 and crazy. The first three happened before they even fired Kevin Adams. So they was starting

to get on a roll. And then I guess what the new GM bump is as a such thing for Yomo.

Yeah, maybe that was a big correspondent though. Like as soon as he took over, they turned it around.

Yeah. I guess you can't have a player's GM. It's interesting. I'm just looking at the list of

recent Jack Adams winners and other than Spencer Carberry last year, the three guys behind him are

out of their jobs. Ritokit, Jim Montgomery, Darryl Sutter. Nope. Fire fired.

All right. So don't win the Jack Adams trophy. If if you want to have a job later, I guess that

would be the thing. Well, Jim Montgomery was in there for what he did with the blues. And he's

still with the blues. Is he? No, Jim Montgomery won it in 2023. Oh, the winners. Excuse me. Sorry.

I thought you were saying who finished in the order last year. No, no, no, those are the last

winners. That's crazy. Talking 24 Montgomery and 23 Sutter and 22. Yeah. Vancouver, man.

How things change in Vancouver? It's crazy. Insane. Insane how things have changed in Vancouver.

Like genuinely, one of the craziest like tip overs you've ever seen where they have nobody left,

basically, except that Patterson Albatross. Which Patterson? Yeah, Marcus Elias or the other

Alias. No, they've got two with the exact same. No, I know. Elias. I know.

Patterson, we continue to be on draft lottery watch as the Panthers are currently tied for the

ninth least amount of points in the standings. They're technically 12 because of tiebreakers.

So the Panthers have to protect the top 10 pick. They keep it if they're in the worst of the 10.

So that's the situation that we are looking in right now, but they played Edmonton last night in.

You got to play to all this. You got to be across that. They have five, six, and oh,

since the Olympic break. So they have been mediocre average. They've been pretty much average.

Yeah. That include a four game losing streak, a three game winning streak and back the back losses,

now the winning Edmonton. But when you get into a situation like this, when you end up in,

you know, bottom, you're not going to make the playoffs. You start to look at the young players.

And I'm seeing a guy like a Mike Benning who has done very well. He has to be a system for games.

And he did very well last night. He had two assists. So and especially last night,

the defense played very well in front of circuit. Thank you very much.

Who got a shout out last night. He's played pretty well recently as well.

It was nice to see Bob kind of get back in his groove last night in Edmonton. I think he had

nine high danger saves of the 21 saves he made. But as you mentioned, the defense is good.

Seth Jones coming back is a huge steady force on that back line for sure.

But Mike Benning, I mean, quietly really good for playing his first handful of games in the NHL.

When he was with Charlotte, especially over the last month or so heading up to when he got called up,

he became a much more consistent source of offense from their blue line. So to see somebody who was a,

you know, a big of a prospect for the Panthers, starting to come around some of that homegrown

talent that'll help them moving forward. That's nice to see. Yeah. In terms of young talent,

I'm kind of wondering where Santa's filminus is because I really liked the way that he played when

he was up here. I know he's been sent back down to Charlotte. They're getting look at some other

guys, but I would like to see him. Yeah, they want him for the stretch run for the playoffs. But I

would like to see him get some run here at the end of the year. But just the Panthers, like,

I said this on Twitter last night. This is like the most ethical tank of all time,

where because every once in a while, the Panthers just kind of remind people like,

you wouldn't have stood a chance if we were healthy this year. Like last night clearly meant

something to this team. Matthew Cuchuck said it in the lead up to the game. He was like,

if this game doesn't mean something to you, then you've got a problem. You know,

we want to beat this team. We want to show this team that, hey, we got you the last couple of

years and we can only on dry side. Noley on dry side will to be fair to the Oilers. That's

going to be really interesting to see how they survive the rest of this regular season without them.

If they survive the rest of this regular season without them. But I just think the Panthers,

they're going to spend a little bit of time. Every once in a while, you're going to see them

get up for one of these games. But also we see the rotation. We see the guys in and out of the line

up. Erod was out of the line up the other night. Mika was out of the line up the other night for

Higgie's been in and out. Ryan Hart's not even on the trip with them right now, which I know

has to be disappointing for him because they're out in West Canada, which is where he's from. But

they're just kind of doing their thing where every once in a while, they're reminding teams.

If we were healthy, we would still be right here. But we got a business to take care of,

which is getting into the top 10, making sure we have that draft pick in that usable asset going

forward in this off season. I sound for puck lock. It's sponsored by draft Kings, draft Kings,

the crown is yours, David. Hello, Roy. Hi, handful of games tonight. For it's going to start with the

New Jersey Devils and the Washington capitals that a couple from that game. First, we're going to

take Jack Hughes over three and a half shots on goal. He's hit this number six of his past seven

games overall and five of his past six on home ice. We're going to combine that with Jacob,

Chikren over two and a half shots against the Devils, buying low after zero shots in his last

two games. But he's had five and six shots in his past two games against New Jersey this season.

So look for Jacob, Chikren to bounce back. And then finally, we're going to round this out with

Dylan Gunther over two and a half shots as the Utah mammoth play the Anaheim Dutz tonight.

Another by-low spot. He had five shots in each of his two games against Anaheim this season.

Doesn't put up the same numbers on the road. So we're going to take the alternate line at plus two

and a half shots. Total parlay odds plus five oh six. So some good opportunity, some good value.

Let's win some good money. All right, David, we stay with you for the hockey.

Stata the week.

All right. Hi, David. Hi, David. Oh my gosh. Wow. So when researching puck like this week,

I came across something that made me kind of jump a little bit. You know who leads the capitals

and shots on goal. Who's that David? Who do you think it is? It is not a veteran. It's not

even a forward. It's not a forward. No, it's Jacob Chikren. Yeah, it's Chikren. He leads the caps

and shots on goal despite playing two less games in Alex Ovechkin and having a total of no shots

in his past two games, three total shots in his past five games. Yes, we're betting on him tonight

as I'm an idiot. But no, I just I was like, whoa, like you think Alex Ovechkin, you think

ripping pucks and no, no, it's just that buddy. The reverse kinks. Yeah, okay, you reverse kinks.

Like last night, I bet on Edmonton. The Panthers won. It's the reverse jinx. Yeah, yeah, of course.

Should have won a gist. I don't want to go. Yeah, I guess. All right, uh, Rose doesn't have a minute,

but she is going to pick. And uh, for the pick, we have Claire Bellamy who's going to stick her hand

in a bag of Claire ready. Mini hockey helmets. Claire right there. Reach in here. Pick out a team.

All right, she's not looking at the back. Dig around. Dig around. Don't look at the back. Dig your hand

around. Pull out a team. What do you got, Rose? Claire, what do you got Claire? And we got it's not

guess what team it is, I guess. I don't know what it's basically producing. What do you think it's called?

The helmets? No, no, no, no. The helmets. The helmets. It's the it's the Vegas Golden Knights. The Houston

helmets. Ah, the Vegas Golden Knights. That is going to be next week's road. I'm on the Golden Knights.

What a weird year they're having. Yeah, it's been back and forth for no. All right, it's time for

wins and fails of the week. David, what's your win? Uh, my win of the week. We're going to the

ECHL. We're actually just going a little bit north to Orlando. The Greenville Swamp Roberts were in

town to play the Orlando solar bears and Dante Sheriff of the swamp rabbits scored a gorgeous goal.

We're going to show it here on the video. Uh, cuts into the solar bear zone. Makes a nice little move to

the middle of the ice. So dry. Gipsy Daniels around the gold tender. Oh, nice. So then he does the great

to celebrate. Then he stops right in the path of an Orlando player and then chaos

ensues at center ice. And just this whole sequence of plays, the gorgeous goal, the tow drag,

the gritty celebration, and then the brawl. The line brawl at center ice. That's ECHL hockey.

I loved everything about that. That is in little 32nd clip. What we all love about hockey. I'll

wrapped up into one. That's a big win of the week for me. Hey, if you're angry about that, stop them.

Correct. Correct. Don't let them score. Don't let them score. That's what I always say. All right,

in the Flyers Ducks game, there was a bit of gamesmanship. Uh, Matt, the, uh, Mitchkov rage-baited

Pavlo Mint Yukov into a penalty. How he did it? Well, there was a glove punch by Mitchkov. And

that led to the Yukov's, uh, gloves may have dropped so we can get in bite mode. But unfortunately,

for him, there was no fighting back by Mitchkov. He just skated away when a smile on his face.

Ha, ha, he, he. So there was a rough obviously for the punch in the face, uh, the glove punch in

the face for Mitchkov. But he took me Yukov with him to the box who got an unsportsman like

conduct call because he dropped his glove, uh, and dropped his gloves to fight. So obviously,

Mitchkov got a rough on that one for the glove punch and, um, uh, Mitchkov ended up going to

the box for a sportsman like conduct. That is how you rage-bait somebody into a penalty. Good job.

There by Mitchkov. All right, Ethan, go ahead. My win of the week is Roy's pronunciation of

Mitchkov. Uh, no, my win of the week is. It's a good day. It's a tough one. I know. I don't know

where the Mitchu, Mitchu, like gardener Mitchu, but anyway, my win of the week, uh, comes from,

so this was initially going to be my fail because of the reaction to this, but I changed this

to my win instead. Uh, Jack Hughes had a quote when asked about his gold medal puck. So the gold,

the gold, gold and gold puck is at the hockey hall of fame. And Jack Hughes was asked about it by

our good friend, uh, Greg Wyszinski. And Jack Hughes had this to say, if we can put this graphic

up on the screen here, I'm trying to get the puck like that's a word I'm not going to say because

Claire is here that the hockey hall of fame has it in my opinion. Why would they have that puck?

And I'm going to go out on a limb here and I'm going to agree with Jack Hughes. For some reason,

a lot of people have been taking it out on Jack Hughes and saying, you know, that quote is, is not

right. And I'm going to tell you why he scored the goal. He should get to decide what happens with

the puck. If he wants the puck to eventually go to the hall of fame, then it eventually should go

to the hall of fame. If he wants the puck on his wall and his office or wherever, he should get the

puck. He scored the goal. I think more people should stand for the fact that I scored the goal. I

get to decide what I want to do with it. And it's my puck. It's his puck. He scored the goal.

Give Jack Hughes the puck. Let him decide where it wants where he wants it to go.

I feel like I disagree with that. Wow. How so?

Who says it's his puck? He scored the goal. But did he bring it with the goal?

It doesn't matter. I think once you score the goal. Like, okay.

Ovechkin. He scores nine. What was it? 895? It's his puck, right? It's Jordan Bennington's puck.

Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. He should decide what happens with that puck. No, I don't think so.

I think it's history. I think that the puck belongs to the league. I disagree. If he wants his

puck to go to the hall of fame, then let it go to the hall of fame. But he should make the decision.

That's my personal opinion. Was there a picture of Alexander Ovechkin holding up the goal,

the goal record. There's a picture with him in Gretzky in the locker room. But was he holding

up the puck? Was it Tate? Was it the number? I'm pretty sure that there was a picture of him with

the puck. Whatever the case may be, it's the golden goal. It's the golden puck. He scored the goal.

Let him decide. I think it's outdated to say that it has to go to the hall of fame. Yeah. I think

it's it's a it's a it's a bygone thing. Okay. It's the word I'm looking for. I was looking for

the word archaic. It's archaic to say that it has to go to the hall of fame. Rosie. Yeah. We can

go to Jack Hughes House and visit history instead. For this is when he begins in a mic. Yes.

He begins in a mic. Yeah. Stahl. I'm trying to clear a please. Yeah. Because I'm going to show

something. Okay. Claire. Look over here. She'll she'll Claire. Why would you do this?

She'll show so fast. Wow. Why would you? Okay. So my win of the week, you can put it you can put it

on. You can put it out now because we have kids. But my win of the week is off campus is coming

and it's a show looks great. The zoom is on your computer. She looks great. No, it's it's not

up there. It's not up right now. No, there it's nowhere. It's four five books. It's four players

and we follow each one's romantic life and the fifth book. It's like all of the fours and it's

that. And the first one's going to be the deal. And that's the guy. The girl. I'm going to

see the teaser there. But that's Garrett and Garrett is gonna make us fall in love. So whenever

that's out, kids, I'm going to give you the recap and we are going to be watching, right? Yeah.

I'll be watching. Yeah. I'll be watching. I don't know if I'll be watching. You have to. I don't

have to do so. I did do a thing. I'm trying to get through Landman right now. I know. I don't

know what. I've been trying to watch scrubs. I'm now two episodes behind on scrubs. I haven't

finished the new season of Shorzi. Like I'm so behind on everything that want to watch. Excuse me.

Does a scrub or Shorzi or things have hockey? No, these one has hockey. Shorzi has hockey. Shorzi

definitely has hockey. Shorzi is like the hockey show. Is this show about hockey that you're talking

about? You guys have a show. Yes, it's a hockey. It's a hockey. It's another hockey romance show.

It's a romance show. Yeah. It's another hockey romance show. Are they straight? Yes. Yes.

All of them are straight. I'm just trying to keep up. Yeah. I'm fine with however. So now we

had gay hockey show. Now we have straight hockey show. The only reason I'm telling you is because it's

hockey. If it was something else now. No, now I got like, is this like a like a men's hockey player

and a woman's hockey player falling on the deal? No, no. It's like an equipment manager. It seems like.

Yeah. No, she's like a scandalous right there. Something artistic and she has to tutor the guy.

So I feel like we've had situations where like somebody that works for the team has gotten involved

with somebody on the team and it's glad to them getting kicked out of the league. Something like that.

You know, I feel like we've heard this story before and it hasn't ended well. But no. Fiction.

Now we're going to watch it. In Chukov. That one's going to eat it to tonight, huh? Yes, it is.

Oh god. Dave fails. Fail the week. Let's go to Toronto. They'll make beliefs. We're hosting

New York Islanders a couple nights ago. It's Gochabank Arena. For some reason, a fan with amazing

seats decided to wear his Montreal Canadiens jersey to a game that the Montreal Canadiens weren't playing.

And the hockey gods did not approve as the video shows a deflected puck on a random play

went up into the stands and nailed him right in the face. And I think he was okay. Like,

there were pictures of him in his seat with a big, well-tredded face. But like Roy, isn't that

the faux pas? You don't wear a jersey of a team that's not playing in the game. So the game where

the two teams are playing. Exactly. What we do? What we do? I have done that.

No, you're lucky. Didn't get hit in the face with a puck. Yeah. That's that's that's bad luck.

Maybe that's why you keep losing things. The World Baseball Classic saw Team USA go into the

championship game against Venezuela. We're in Game War and U.S. men's hockey Olympic hockey

jerseys as a nod to the gold medal-winning performance in hopes that they might win.

Well, the stink of cash, but tell them us it's still been on them because Team USA will

loss three to two in the championship. That is back-to-back losses for the United States in the

championship game for the WBC. This is karma, Roy, because how many people tried to get a Team USA

jersey after they won gold and nobody could because Nike didn't make enough. Ryan is coming

in August. Yes, exactly. It's coming. So these guys, they somehow managed to get the whole

freaking team wearing jerseys to the game. Those were the Game War and jerseys. Fanatics got them

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Those were the actual Game War and jerseys. My only problem with this was that was that

Tariq's Google wore Dylan Larkin jersey, which he did not deserve to do. Okay, my fail the week.

Let's go. My fail the week is this commercial from Amazon. What are we doing here?

Let's put this up here. What's going on here? He's biting the box. He's biting.

Did nobody in the South Park make fun of this? Advertising

department at Amazon. Consider anything about Nathan McKinnon in this commercial.

Okay. Well, Rose, this is the wrong week with Claire and the shipping container.

Yeah. Claire has no idea what I'm talking about right now. Yeah.

Well, I ate white McKinnon was wearing gloves and he can open up the box because it was

take that's that's that's that's what the Lord boy enough time.

You know what? That reminds me of a quick fail real quick. Nobody thought I want it.

I want them at Donald's hockey stick so we can't get them here in the States. I don't know why

that made me think of that. But that for me, that's a fail. I want those things.

I wanted to say. If I went to me, if they had them down here, I'd be in McDonald's every

freaking day. I'd have so many duplicates and triplicates of Toronto. But anyway, okay,

go ahead, Rose. Okay. My fail the week is actually a win. It's a fail for Utah, but it's a win

because that guy smiches. You can play the video. Kevin Stemlin. Yeah. That smich. Look at that.

He's there and then he goes and then they try to throw it in. Oh, he's nice. That's good

gold tending. Very, very, very. I don't know why that's a fail, but I like that you're playing a

video. It's a fail because they're in school. Okay, it's a fail for Utah. Yeah, for Utah.

Okay, but it's a win for Akira Shmeid. Exactly. And you got Vegas Golden Knights.

World's colliding. I'm taking it as a win, but I have to put the off campus there. So

I like it. Taking it as a win. So it's a win. I fell for Utah. All right. For those of you

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referee and ESPN rules analyst Dave Jackson to come on and explain what exactly

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broadcasts on ESPN and ABC. And you can check out him explain the rules on the American

broadcasts and company tomorrow as the bronze play the red rings at 8 p.m. Eastern Dave,

we wanted you to come on. So you can explain us what exactly is gold tender interference

among other things. Obviously, we need your expertise. But first, we want to start with this video

here. Obviously, you've seen this one. This is racco gouda's colliding with Austin Matthews.

This is the knee on knee incident that ended up ending at Austin Matthews' season. You know,

has surgery. So you look at this one. It's a knee on the collision. Gouda's put a stick out,

but led with his knee and then down goes Matthews. You see a play like this one. What goes into your

interpretation into the rule and what leads to your final decision on the severity of the penalty.

And does the department of play safety have any role in what you're thinking in this situation?

So those are those are great questions. It's it functions much like the police officer on the

street, which would be the referee and then player safety is much more like the judicial system,

you know, the judge who opposed the sentence. As a referee, what you're looking for initially is,

does the player take a poor angle in the last second? Does he sort of jot his knee out?

And it's just reactionary almost accidental or does he take a line to the player with his knee

already extended? And I think that is sort of what happened in this play here. You know,

Matthews had a lot of speed coming in on the play. He realized he wasn't going to get a piece of him.

So he extended his knee to make sure that he got a piece of the player. I don't believe you

wanted to hurt him. I really don't believe any player ever really wants to hurt another player.

But you want to win your hockey game and you don't want to get scored on. So so I think that's

what he's doing. It's a referee immediately. You throw your arm up. You've got a penalty. You talk

it over to your partner. If the player is injured, it's a pretty simple call. You're going five in game

and then you just you kick it up stairs and let players safety deal with it after that.

Uh, but what if that player has, you know, a history like a racco-gutus? Does that factor into

your decision as well? As a referee, no. As a referee, you make the call on the ice. Every play

is separate. You want to have a, you want to have a short memory kind of like kind of like a gold

fish. You don't want, you don't want to prejudge a game. You don't want to come into a game and say,

well, I've got, I mean, obviously you want to be aware. Every game you work, you look down the line

up before the game starts. You're aware of who's on the ice. You're aware of maybe past

uh, instances between the two teams where maybe there had been bad blood. And when certain players

run the ice, your antenna is definitely up. You're, you're much more aware, but you certainly don't

want to have a bias. And you don't want to say, I've got to be tougher on this player because he

has a history. You want to judge every play as they come in a vacuum. David, it feels like the

department of player safety is kind of always under the microscope, but it feels like that's

almost been exacerbated lately. Uh, there's been a lot of talk. I know some agents have been out

there. Maybe critical of not protecting players as much as they feel they should. Maybe the

suspension lanes aren't enough or the penalties aren't severe enough to cause players to pause a

little bit before perhaps a play like what we just watched with Radco Dudes and Austin Matthews,

but I wanted to get your take from the officiating standpoint of do you think that criticism is fair

or do you think that the department of player safety is that is doing a pretty good job right now?

I, I personally, well, I mean, if you look at my Twitter feed, people would just think that

I'm going to defend the referees or the femme player safety and that's, that's, that's not,

that's not the case. I do respect the job the officials do and I respect the job player safety does.

I have a lot of respect for the man in that room, starting with George Powell's, um, he's a

man of integrity and I've had long conversations with George. I've had long conversations with the

guys on his staff and they really, they think long and hard about what their, what punishment they

are going to need out and I think historically, I think if the players association, for example,

had a real issue, I mean, George's been doing this for like a decade now. If they had a real issue

with his consistency or length, I think they would have addressed it before this one incident.

This one incident seems to me to be like a knee-jerk reaction to some degree because it ended

awesome after this season. Superstar player, it should never have happened. I'm not defending it

whatsoever. All I'm saying is based on historical suspensions, the players association, the league

seemed to be okay with it. I don't really understand why all of a sudden this, this one incident

seems to, seems to be creating a firestorm. Five games is a lot. I mean, I know the players

are going to lose probably $100,000. Team needs them. He's one of their best players. They're

going to play off high notes. Five games is a long time. You don't see a five game suspension

very often and this is for a player who I don't believe according to the standards they use for

repeat offenders. I think it has to be 18 months or it's a shorter period of time. It's not your

entire career. So I don't think he's classified as a repeat offender. I don't think he's been suspended

quite a while. So I think a five game suspension is quite heavy. Could it be more sure it could

always be more. But then you're going to see all suspensions be more and I'm not sure there's an

appetite to have players suspended left rating center. You read up a good point though because as

you were saying that I'm thinking back to some of the hits just from a panthers perspective because

that's the team that we cover down here. There have been some pretty big substantial hits in recent

post seasons, whether it's been Sam Bennett or whoever has been involved. Yeah. So but again,

it feels like there's a bit of a knee jerk reaction, especially if it's a big star player that

gets that's in the receiving end of one of those hits. But again, I just kind of thinking as you

were saying, it does kind of feel like they've done a fair job that there's been maybe more of oh my

god, when it's something big happens or at a big point of the season or the playoffs. Yeah, and if I may

add what I certainly don't take this lightly. I'm not laughing about it, but Royals will attest.

I mean, I get beaten up a daily basis on Twitter. People going back and forth with me.

The biggest criticism I hear from people is that referees should just call the act and not

the result. So a guy will get hit from behind, for example, referees give two minutes for boarding

and everybody's up their arms saying, well, because the player wasn't hurt, they only called two

minutes. It shouldn't matter if the player is hurt that she just called the result. I mean, they

should just call the action. The result shouldn't matter. So now you get player safety that suspends

based on the act and not the result. And now everybody's up in arms again, because they want

them suspending based on the result and not the act. So I mean, you can't have it both ways.

And I think player safety does a great job of suspending based on the act.

The result, you know, guys could, what if Austin Matthews had got up and skated away?

Would they still want a 10 game suspension, or would they be saying five games is too much?

So I think it's really, it's a very slippery slope when you start suspending players based on

the result. Let's take a look at the, a, a still shot of, if Kenny Marken slashed to the neck of

Ramses, Daly and now the calling the ice was initially a cross-check before what was called a

slash. That's what led to the slash. He got a game of conduct as well. It looked like a attempt

to injure, to me, obviously, it could have been called high sticking. And if that's the case,

would you have called that a match penalty?

Yes. So high sticking only has three options. You have a minor penalty, which an accidental high

stick. You get a double minor, which is an accidental high stick that causes injury,

draws blood. And then there's no major. It goes right to match. So if they deem it not to be

accidental, it must be an attempt to injure. So you would straight to a match penalty.

For slashing, you do have the option of two, five, or a match. They, they called it slashing

because it was, I guess they deemed that he was maybe trying to get him in the chest area.

Went too high. It was definitely a slashing motion. But when it comes down to it,

end of the day, it's really it's semantics. If they call five and a game is conduct, it doesn't

mean that player safety is going to look at it any differently. Player safety monitors every

single game. There's somebody in that room watching every game that goes on. So if there's eight

games going on, there's eight guys watching one hockey game, making notes and everything.

So nothing escapes player safety. So really when it comes down to it, semantics,

what do you call a match penalty or what do you call five and a game. The same result,

you're going to have the same scrutiny placed on it by player safety. Gold turner inference,

and this is one to my co-host's heart because he is a gold turner. It's been an issue for fans

for more than the past couple of seasons. A lot of complaints to the department of players'

safety. Let's take a look at a still shot of Nathan McKinnon colliding into kind of Ingram.

Like Conor Ingram was in his crease. It looked like McKinnon was skating parallel to the

goal line. Went through the crease and they both collided. It was called a major. And McKinnon was

giving a game is conduct. I don't know when the last time I saw a player get ejected for gold turner

inference. I can't remember. Can't remember that being the case. Yeah. The league has rescinded that

major. So he's not going to get suspended if he did it again. So there's that too. So if you're

the ref last night, would you have given a game misconduct to Nathan McKinnon?

I could say after watching a bunch of times, no, I wouldn't have. And the league didn't actually

rescind the major. It still goes on his penalty minute record. It's five minute minute. They rescinded

the game misconduct aspect of it, meaning that if he gets a second game misconduct within a

certain period of time, it calls for an automatic suspension. Now he doesn't have one of his record.

He's back to zero. So that's what they rescinded. You know, I had the benefit of watching

it a bunch of times slow motion. I believe the nurse, the defenseman for Robinson

exacerbated it ran into him, changed his direction, changed his line. I didn't see any intent.

I think probably on hindsight. And I think the referee would probably agree on hindsight.

It was two-minute minor for for gold turner inference. So that brings up something that I

guess from a referee's perspective, you could have an interesting opinion on this. But I feel like,

and Roy, I think we've talked about this before, but especially lately, the instances of players

driving an opposing player into their own gold tender have been going up and up and up. And

that play right there is just another one where he saw like, darn, no, he's not giving McKinnon much

of a chance to get out of the crease, to get out of his gold tender's way. And I don't know,

I guess I'm just complaining about it now because they teach you this in lights. If you're the

defenseman, do not drive the opposing player into your own gold tender. It's common sense,

although common sense is a common nowadays, but it doesn't make any sense for me to see these

defensemen guide the opponent into your own gold tender causing a potential injury.

Well, now it makes me wonder though, Dave, because we're seeing these gold tender interference

challenges where a goalie's glove gets hit by a stick or his pad gets nick by a skate,

but it's somebody on his own team that's kind of forcing that player at least to be in the vicinity.

And so I'm now wondering if maybe it'll cause players to take pause or protect their goalie

a little bit more or protect the crease a little bit more for danger of that maybe happening.

You got so much going on with goalie interference. Everybody seems to say, you know,

I even know goalie interferences anymore. Well, a goalie interference, there's a great video

on NHL.com. If you go to the video, go to rulebook rules, go to video rulebook,

eight minute video on goalie interference. It's not going to, it's not a magic pill,

but it's really going to open people's eyes if they watch it and give them a much deeper understanding

of the rule. But there's a couple of things I want to point out that a lot of people maybe don't

understand is that the crease is three three dimensional. It's 3D. It goes all the way up to the

height of the crossbar. And much like at the blue line when they're determining off size,

did that skate break the plane of the leading edge? Well, the goal tender, if he breaks that

plane of the crease, meaning he might have his feet in the blue paint, but his stance,

he's leaning forward, his blocker, his glove, his head might be outside the blue paint.

Just because your feet are in the paint, doesn't mean your whole body is in the crease.

So if you're breaking the plane of that truth, yeah, exactly. So if you're breaking the plane

of that crease and you're out, considered in the white paint and the attacking player makes

incidental contact with you, that's the key. So if the goalie's glove is breaking that plane

in the white and I intentionally go over and slash his glove, that's always going to be a

kind of thing. Well, Dave, we have a, we have a perfect video for this because this happened

during the Sabre's Panta's game, Matthias Samuelson, who was covered by a Nico Nicholas. So he was forced

towards the actual crease. He had his game of crease, but the new Teresolves glove was out of

the crease and Samuelson's stick touched Teresolves glove. So the Panta challenged that. It ended up

being not overturned. They ended up getting a penalty. The goal stood. So that's not right.

Don't turn to interference. That is a great example. That is a great example. Panta's fans lost

the minds. What are we doing here? And I watched that one time. I had to watch it one time and I

said, good goal. Good goal. Because what's happening there is the goal tender is leaving the safety of

his crease. He's putting his glove out there and that space is as much belonging to the buffalo

players it is to him. If he had gone over before that shot was taken and slashed the goalie's glove,

that would be a penalty. In this case, he's reaching for the puck trying to deflect it and that's

no more to goal tenders ice than it is the buffalo player's ice. Tough luck. You make contact with

glove. That's a good goal. If you don't want that to happen, stay within the confines of your

blue paint and it will be called back. If that happened in the blue paint, if that glove hadn't been

breaking that plane, that would have been goal tender interference. And that's the biggest difference.

See, I feel almost enlightened right now because the whole breaking the plane extending off the ice,

like that's something that's taken to account that I really hadn't been because I thought the

goalie was able to establish his area and protect it. But that makes me think, now the crease isn't that

big. And a lot of these goalies like to come out and challenge and take ice away. So it almost

kind of made sense that like you're leveling the plane field and not saying, well, the goalie just

has free reign to go anywhere around his crease. If the back of his skate blade is touching the top

of the crease, he's still off limits. Like that's not the case. And I think that even from a goalie,

it kind of makes sense. And the way I try and I'm oversimplifying here, but the way I try and

describe it is, when the goal tender breaks the plane of that crease, he becomes almost like a

defenseman. We can still call interference of a forward runs an offenseman over a forward cross

checks, a defenseman or a forward drop, a slash of a defenseman, we call it penalty. And the same

thing applies to the goal, that it not being in his crease. But if you come in a bump at a

defenseman when you're actually trying to get the buck or you're trying to buy a position on the ice,

that's all legal. That's what a lot of people don't want to say when the goalie gets

bump behind the net, right? Like if it's just a friendly bump and nobody's trying to run him over,

then play on. What's the mantra that you always say, David? That's why I keep my ass in the crease.

Exactly. You know, if more guys applied that to the game, we would have a much easier job.

Most goalies aren't 5-8 like I am. Yeah, that's true. Dave Jackson will be the rules analyst for

the women's frozen for today as Ohio State plays North Eastern at 430 Eastern. And Wisconsin

takes on Penn State at 730 Eastern. You'll see Olympic gold medalist Leila Edwards who was

already on a stacked Wisconsin club. So you get to see both of those games on ESPN plus.

The women's national championship will be Sunday at 4 p.m. Eastern on ESPN. You Dave Jackson,

the rules expert for ESPN and their NHL broadcasts. Thank you for joining us Dave.

It's been an honor, guys. Thanks a lot. Before we get out of here, I want to shout out a little bit

of history that was me last night in the Islander Synodist game as Matthew Schaefer became the youngest

defenseman in NHL history to reach 50 points. The call to 12 feet is basically his. That's crazy.

Yeah, man. This is unprecedented. This is a morning Bobby Roar. I called it. Did you? I did.

Is he a defenseman? Yes. Yes. In my predictions that I told you, hey, this is going to be the first time

now this first time since 1960 something that he was going to win in. I don't remember. I'm going to look

for you. You don't remember. Did you say MVP or did you say rookie of the year? I said the

rookie of the year. Wow. Well, look at you, Rosie. Aren't you an expert in hockey now? I'm going to

go find it. Roy, can I have the four for one quick second? Go ahead. I just I'm sorry to do this

to you guys. I just wanted to take one second. I lost a friend earlier this week and I just wanted

to say how much I loved her and how much I cared about her and how much I'm going to miss her.

So Claire LaPette, I love you and I miss you already. If anybody, yeah, I just wanted to say that.

Love you. All right. Thoughts to Claire. Very important to Eaton's life. So condolences to

Eaton and Claire's family. Thank you, guys. Appreciate that. Thank you to everybody who was on the show.

Who was who's back there in video right now? Is it you know, Danny and Danny? Danny,

Geno, thank you for everything that you do back there. You've you've provided a good job there

back there. Eaton and Rose. Thank you for producing this show. Dave Jackson joined us earlier. Thank

you for your expertise and thank you for great Cody for creating that card. That's David Jork.

My name is Roy Bell. Me. This has been the hockey show. We will see you next week.

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