The Iran War: Trump's Defining Legacy /Robert Barnes & Lt Col Daniel Davis

0:00Hey, it's Howie Mandel and I'm inviting you to witness history as me and my Howie Do it gaming team take on Gilly the King and wallow two six sevens million dollars gaming in an epic global gaming league video game showdown four rounds multiple games one winner Plus a halftime performance by multi platinum artist Traviem McCoy watch all the action and see who wins in advances to the championship match Against Neo right now at global gaming league dot com. That's global gaming league dot com everybody games We have been talking mostly on this channel, especially today about the conduct of the war Whether the United States is winning whether Iran is winning where this may go the next But there's another capacity that needs to be discussed especially for an American audience in that is in the diplomatic in the domestic audience What is going to happen with depending on what Trump does or what happens or doesn't happen in the middle east? What is that going to do to President Trump's legacy? What is it going to do to the just the midterms coming up right now and there are some profound issues that may

1:03Curl and there and may play out for the president in ways that he may not be thinking of but our guest today is and that is Robert Barnes Who is a constitutional lawyer and just a really kind of a sage if I can go that far and say in it about how some of these things affect The combination of international affairs and domestic politics. Welcome back to the show Robert. Yeah, glad to be here Well, listen, let's let's just jump in real to this because Will let's start off with some president Trump said just a couple hours ago He went on with Brian Kilmeet on a radio show on his podcast and and of course he asked to kill me to ask the question Everybody else is interested in when it's just going to be over and here's what he said Coming right up He leads the hope oh This will bounce right back when it's over and I don't think it's going to be long when it's over This is going to bounce right back so fast when you're going to know when it's over is when I feel it okay

2:04I feel it in my bones will you ask anybody in particular without be some of these a joint decision with people I have great people So I mean, you know, he's just going to feel it like in his bones, man. I mean I mean, how could that not give you a lot of confidence that the commander chief knows what he's doing on this war? Yeah, the markets are way behind what's taking place so Trump has no idea Trump is almost kinglier mad in different respects You I've been trying to tell people this for a little while. Yeah, I know we've discussed it offline There I was there in January a lot of people at the top levels We're very concerned about Trump's mindset mentality the art of the deal was you would Expect the best but plan for the worst it was realism balanced with positive thinking the realism is now gone from Trump's mindset mentality He doesn't plan for the worst at all. He just now has wishful thinking has replaced it. That's why he told the Europeans Earlier in the week. Oh, Rand's already surrendered. They're just waiting to have somebody appointed as supreme leader to officially announce it Trump Trump was convincing himself of these kind of things utterly insane things

3:07He was told the straights of her moves were close. He's like nah, that won't happen He was he was told that the Iran would continue to attack and could attack for months and months and months Because of where their supplies were located. He's like nah, that won't happen The whole regime will collapse democracy and peace and freedom will unite They'll build big statutes of Trump in the middle of Tehran and there'll be total peace freedom and liberty around world Uh, he convinced himself of baby's little whispering lies and so it's not going to get any better anytime soon on that front And the big gamble he's taken that all the Republicans and conservatives have taken is they're gambling as much on Anything there's the geopolitics of it. There's the military of it. There's the oil side of it But really they're gambling on the future of the Trump coalition The that's what they're willing to risk matt wall said even if this war went perfectly I'm not willing to lose the midterms for it But that is in fact what Trump is willing to do what the Republicans in the House are willing to do the Republicans in the senator willing to do all the Fox News audience is willing to do They're willing to sacrifice the 2026 midterms and right now what it's on pace for I do a range of predictions for people that trade in and out of the prediction markets on politics and other events

4:12I put out in February that we would go in before the end of the month That was a 10-to-1 option. So people you know did well. They invested it In some of the straits of our moves would close for more than seven days That was a 10-to-1 proposition. It happened But I think right now that Democrats are likely to win more than 240 seats in the House They're likely to win 53 or more seats in the Senate Oh, wow, particularly because Murkowski's going to flip Trump is going to get impeached Oh, I'm calling eggs death these days He's going to get impeached. Pambondi's going to get impeached. Todd Blanche is going to get impeached A whole bunch of people are going to rubio may get impeached because he misled the House in the Senate on intel related to this So it's going to be a shit show on steroids and people should be calculating that when Seal clapping for this war to continue Well now let's just get into that and in fact I'll leave back up just a wee bit from where you even started off here Why and the operative question is why do you think Trump would Dismiss all of the things you just mentioned and then let me add one to that list because I don't know about a month and a half or so before this

5:17Were started one of the things that got my attention We put it on the show here is that he was told that the or he was asking in an interview That the Iranians said that if you attack this time unlocking 2025 We're going to hit American bases. We're going to hit the Israelis We're going to if you fire one missile. It's full-scale war with us And he said now they won't that that's what they said last time they didn't do it And just went on his merry way We know for sure that the NIC report that came that was leaked out before the war came out warned it nearly everything that's happened They warned that it would happen So he is reading ignored everything all the list you just mentioned But the question is why why would he risk all these things with all the evidence he had That they wouldn't succeed that he risk it anyway Three main factors are in play One is Trump's I was Colonel McGregor has pointed out Trump cut a deal with the devil in the fall of 2024 To have all the big Israel first donors that had campaigned forever against him that they were the lead against him for 10 years

6:19Lobby spent all the money to defeat him in 2016 did it again in 2024 Let the russia gate efforts back in many ways the warfare against him This includes everybody from Paul Singer to Mary Amados and others Paul Singer helped originate russia gate all the way back you he put Chrysler first deal on the payroll before anybody did In the US and so but Trump decided that he was desperate for one thing above all to win To get full of indication in 2024 He wasn't willing to gamble That that would happen without their support So he cut a quiet deal behind the scenes. He didn't let Bobby Kennedy know about this He didn't let JD Vance know about this He didn't let Tulsi Gabbard know about this who would join the campaign on the premise that this would be the peace presidency The anti-war candidacy and so I think that is a substantial factor Miria that's what the israel lobby wants they wanted suppression of the Epstein files and war with Iran and Green lighting whatever else israel wanted to do whether it's Lebanon Syria Gaza or anywhere else

7:20But that's only one part the second part is that he is increasingly become frankly delusional I mean people in the white house at the cabinet level were telling me that he was that they that everybody Including billionaires of them of their own making were scared to say anything negative about Trump The tsuzi wiles had spread the message who previously worked for BB Netanyahu by the way Uh spread spread the message not to share anything negative with the president The president has taken his positive thinking and turned it into wishful thinking and it's hallucinatory thinking That's why he is he convinces himself of insane things Insane propositions. He's told by Gabbard. It's not true by the director of national intelligence He's told by general king that it's not going to happen the way he thinks it has been told and warned repeatedly by vice president vance He just shuts it out and he I call it memento memory based on the movie memento He listens to the lie and believes the lie He hears the truth and he shuts it out it disappears from his memory disappears from his mind So he is truly convinced himself. That's why you're saying things like man

8:22I was shocked that they're going in to hit the our military bases I'm shocked that they closed the straight to our most I'm shocked that there hasn't been a revolution in Iran. I'm shocked that the regime hasn't collapsed I'm shocked that they still have missiles It's because he's convinced himself of these lies. It's like Richard Nixon watergate talking to paintings at the end Around the White House as if they're real people that's where Trump is mindset wise. It's very king leader going mad kind of he That the combination of Lindsey Graham BB Netanyahu he it's what he believes what he wants to believe and he ignores Whatever he doesn't want to believe and it's becoming very very dangerous because he's utterly disconnected from reality And it's where positive thinking can go AWOL So it's a combination of the Israel lobby promises that he made to basically go along with whatever whatever BB Netanyahu requested And this has been his life dream This is why you don't have a coherent strategy being announced You don't have a coherent plan being announced. You don't have coherent objectives He did it for the Israeli donors and BB Netanyahu But he can't fully say that Rubio implicitly acknowledged and admitted it

9:24It's leaked out from various parts of the press But that's why but he can't publicly acknowledge that So that's why he's got to go around and pretend he did it And and thus the objectives keep shifting the plan keeps shifting the reasons keep shifting Well, so okay, so Part of that makes sense and especially the kinglier thing I have been saying for months that I think that there's something cognitive wrong that is definitely declining And I think there's a lot of evidence for that so I I can see that one And I don't know maybe that that answers the question. I will have right before that Which is even if Trump made a deal with the devil with financial to get the money because he didn't want to take a risk That also is logical to me But where the logic starts falling apart is okay But once you're in office You're not running again. So you don't have to worry about that money coming back in But why would you take something an action now which rationally would lead to Screwing the last two years that you have assume that you don't get impeached even if that happened here Why would you take something that is likely to undermine that as opposed to just saying hey

10:26I know y'all get me money, but dude. I'm not going to go down a path. It's going to harm everything that I've worked for You would think so and you and that's what vice president vans thought so when friends of mine met him at the Back in January said don't worry. We're not going to go into Iran. That's too much risk And the president knows it and somewhere along and by early February president convinced himself otherwise And the key is he convinces himself It's real and you're seeing it like on the peers the other problem the Republicans in the House and the Senate the think tank crowd and Fox news Is re-infor- and CBS news all reinforcing this. Oh, yeah, we're dominating. We're whipping. We're crushing. We're humiliating We're we're going to be in big the oil is going to be back No problems price is going to disappear The all the in fact, it's going to it's going to help you in the midterms mr. President You're going to be the guy who took down Iran. You're going to be the guy who finally fought back after 47 year They're reinforcing this insanity and that's why he doesn't recognize it He he has convinced himself. There is no risk here that the risk is very low. I'm sorry

11:27That's we have a perfect thing cute up for that. Here's one of many examples This is Kevin McCarthy just a couple of days ago almost reading from that playbook if you look at for the long term history President Trump is going to be praised for this because I don't think any other president would do it before or into the future And it's changed geopolitics If Iran was able to be able to have a nuclear weapon There would be 40 countries then because everybody would have one and the world would be unsafe If you look at the rise of not just China, but the crinks China, Russia, Iran and North Korea China needs 11 million barrels of oil every single day They get a large portion from Russia, but a bigger portion from Iran even with the sanctions They get a discount and Venezuela So this is reshaping the world and actually making it safer domestic politics People will get upset the price of oil is up, but will it sustain that? I don't believe so the worst thing we could do is leave this before the job is done Leave this before the the price of oil would be up for a little while

12:30That's live so far that's gone up $4 so far today and you can see where it's gone since this war started Is Mike McCarthy just trying disinformation to confuse the president or is he just that I'll just use a kind word Misinformed about the realities Fantastic delusion is the mindset I mean the people you know going down the rabbit hole in Alice and Wonderland have more clarity on reality then does Donald Trump Kevin McCarthy the Republican establishment or the war horse combined They're I mean people like for you and I we've been through this, but a lot of new generation people have it They forget when we went into Iraq. Oh be easy. It'll be over in a couple of months. No problems. No breeze You know, there's no difficulties. Well peace and freedom democracy. They'll walk it up Welcome us with flowers and open arms The you can go back further Similar promises made about Afghanistan similar promises made about Vietnam similar promises made about Korea This has been a repeated false claim and usually there's some percentage of people in in the political power structure

13:31That convinced themselves of it Lindsey Graham convinces himself of it now. He just loves to see war wherever it is man that that gets him going but the More ways than one unfortunately But the the that's what Trump has been he's surrounded himself selectively with the people that Causes problems and those of us that back to him in in 2024 believe that the presence of Kennedy in vans and gathered in Kobe And Kent would discourage and deter this but he just decided to systematically ignore them Says systematically shut them out. He even pulled JD vans off the tour last week That's why you haven't seen him anywhere didn't even get to do his own Town hall now, you know, the it's being published that he was always against this war in this conflict But he had always kept a lid on those kind of leaks before because he didn't want people to know where he publicly disagreed With the president But now he's got no choice The uh, but he always did does these people think he's secretly a war promoter. They don't they have no idea What went on behind the scenes literally everybody came gathered

14:32In vans all lobbied against the war said it would be a disaster It would be a deba and what was Trump's reaction when he started to see their promises come true He's shut them out more Block them out more stop them from making appearances more you you have someone who's going delusional and a bunch of curt Cordy or courtiers to the military industrial complex It encouraging and saying yeah tearing it on can you be crazier and crazier because we're going to feed you more and more nonsense and delusions Okay, so This is a whole set of problems here But first of all for anyone who's been living under a rock to validate one more thing that you just said here This is going back to Fox news here, but in this case Maria barked the Romos actually trying to say hey There's some real problems here and her guest at this particular calm One Lindsey Graham Dreams seems to just push back on all of it A billion dollars a day oil prices up 27% in a week

15:32You've got the president wanting a one and a half trillion dollars a defense budget in 27 The the idea that the Pentagon is about to come to you for 50 billion dollars on these strikes to Iran How are you going to answer best money ever spent? Was it worth to America to take down a religious Nazi regime Who's trying to build a nuclear weapon to deliver to America? That's a really good investment They're going to fall. Let's stop if the regime falls. It's a matter of when and you didn't mention today And nobody has quite frankly. We now know they had enough 60% enriched uranium to make 11 bombs What's that worth to America to make sure they don't have 11 bombs? All of this money is to make sure they never go nuclear They can't hit us with ballistic missiles and they stop terrorizing the region Three are dying for your dying No, you're free. Yes, and we will be and the Russians are dying So the best money we've ever spent

16:33Thanks Now he said in the end of that first clip there You know, we now know that they had a nuclear bomb material and they could have made 11 bombs and I'm like okay We put that out on our show in July of last year. So it's been well known. So he's just making it's just nonsense of that but At some point I mean whether it's Fox News whether it's president Trump you got to see that This this version of reality the Lindsey Graham has just been cheerleading like Like a crazy man is just not matched up with the end. I mean with reality He said it's only a matter of time before the regime falls and now then intelligence is saying what we've already known This is not going to make them fall and now here at 14 days and counting there is solidified as ever. What do you say? Yeah, no doubt about that anybody objective whether it's about you Colonel McGregor talking about the the Iran Alexander McCorris and Alex Christopher Rue Anybody that does independent objective geopolitical and military analysis brain and white shirt

17:35Many of them are were Trump allies or Trump supporters at various levels the or were sympathetic with more sympathetic with Trump the Democrats All of them what they have predicted has come true with all the war cheerleaders predicted have not come true Now the problem is Trump is shutting himself out from negative information He's not following Joe Rogan. He's not following Tucker Carlson He's not following any of the podcasters. He's not following independent geopolitical analysis That information gets to him to people like Tulsi Gabbard and JD Vance But currently he's shutting them out as well He only wants to hear everything's going great. Everything's going to be good. Everything's going to be fine We're going to be a big winners. I'm going to be a big winner This is going to be me as FDR and Churchill like Lindsey Graham has been whispering to him And he's only listening to them. He's only he talks to Sean handy Lindsey Graham every single day The that's the level of it. He only wants to hear man. You're doing great. You're doing awesome This is amazing. Iran is falling. It's collapsing. That's and so he want he convinces himself of this That's why he goes out and says it He says stuff that's completely denied by reality like oh it's straightforward moves is open

18:39No, it's not and you can beat hegs this version today Oh, it's totally open aside from Iran firing bombs and killing and knocking out the ships. Yeah It's like the the the hunting path the the walking path is fine Out in the woods except for that bear that keeps eating everybody. So I mean, it's just a level of stupidity That's insanity, but that's what you have in Trump unfortunately right now The they need to put Trump lock him up in the basement someplace let him watch movies and people cheering him and and get us out of this war because he by himself won't do it Well, and then the the question is what what impact is that going to have on the On the midterms that are coming up here now Lindsey Graham is going to say will of course the American people I mean with that's the best money ever spent and they'll agree with it because just have think we now have all this Claims that they're not going to have a nuclear bomb and all the stuff that goes along with that But when you look at the polling data tells a different story now one of the things I want to point out on this particular poll You're if you can pop that up there that I heard you talked about on a TPU essay

19:41Video here soon is that top one there got a lot of attention did with me when I first saw it She knows that 90% of mega Republicans are behind all this Now there's another number on here, which I think is just catastrophic for the midterms And I'll talk about that in a second But first of all I'd like to hear your assessment of that 90% number there on the mega Republicans Yes, so the moral light the about about a month ago the repuls RNC and other connected parties to the White House Made clear to a bunch of pollsters that are Republican aligned That they are going to start doing polls that don't talk about negatively about the war of the Epstein files And if they did they would be all their contracts would be canceled So after that Mark Mitchell of Rasmussen reports disappeared from social media The uh, and we haven't seen him do any polls since then the The insider advantage and Robert Tafalger route faken polls cbs a berry-wice is faking polls on the regular for her elison Pro-Israel israel first owners The that are soon to buy an own CNN as well too

20:45So the these so part of it is these polls are fake That they're rigged But one of the ways they're rigging him is by saying is by defining mega in such a way that only the people that are for the war It becomes circular. Are you for the war then then we define you as maga. Hey, maga. Do you now are you now for the war? See it works like that Patrick Basham democracy institute polls for the daily mirror in the UK Has been a very trump friendly pollster historically he broke it down in more detail And what he found was working class republicans overwhelmingly opposed the war new republican or new trump coalition voters who are independent leaning voters Like younger voters Hispanic voters African-American voters that voted for trump overwhelmingly opposed the war that voters who identify as america first instead of maga Or identify as maha instead of maga Up overwhelmingly opposed the war. It's because maga is increasingly being signed Do you as seen as do you are you part of the trump cult that whatever trump believes you believe even if he reverses himself

21:4720 you know 180 tomorrow will you still support it just because of what he does That's increasingly who maga is so it's increasingly an irrelevant proxy the group number of americans that identify as maga is shrinking shrinking and shrinking So Richard Barris of people's funded deal use the best pollster in the country Has been founding republicans do not support this working class republicans new republicans don't but independence Overwhelming opposed and that's you need to win the midterms It's like winning 94% of a 10% of the vote that isn't going to get you very far Right exactly what I was going to say Gary if you could pull that poll back up there again That's exactly what I was going to point to because Look at what happened in the 2016 and 2024 elections were president trump won And you had especially the 2016 in my assessment and stuff that I've read Says that probably the deciding factor for him winning was in those districts where there was a lot of casualties American Families who lived who had casualties during the Iraq war so they were they were really Ella animated by his comment about no stupid wars etc

22:47I was one of them. I voted for him for that reason And then the 2024 you had a lot of independence vote for him in the areas In the swing state so he won by pretty narrow margins and so many the swing states But that's because he had a significant number of the independence without that I mean it could be a bloodbath in November don't you think oh yeah In fact right now I would predict democrats are going to win by the biggest margin in terms of the house generic ballot So to speak when you aggregate all democratic and republican votes for the house the biggest margin they ever have in the modern era It's going to be a double digit win So one of the the best proxy questions has been asked by american national elections survey or studies up in the i think university of michigan since the 1940s And which is which party do you think is more likely to keep us out of horror? And whoever won that vote particularly in key swing states like Wisconsin like a Michigan like in Ohio like in Iowa And increasing in the southwest because a lot of his panic you know his panic and black working class voters that we're willing to vote trump

23:48Disproportionately have friends or family that are in the military So the that's the other overlap. It's disproportionate military service Which also leads to disproportionate as you noted military fatalities And there was a direct one-to-one correlation in the Obama to Trump shift in the Midwest the more a precinct or community or neighborhood or county Had more casualties the higher the probability they shifted from Obama to trump in 2016 So you've got the historic anti-war leaning vote in the Midwest And then you've got this new increasingly anti-war vote and and also in apple latch has always been very anti-war You'll see Thomas Massey hold on Contra to all the built millions and millions. They're dumping in against him Because that area historic only congressman to vote against the Tonkin resolution came from eastern Kentucky So you know, that's an old history goes way back And then you add the working class black voters in the south and working class Hispanic voters through the southwest That also were new 2024 Trump coalition voters who helped keep those states or flip those states to the

24:49Trump column and these voters are overwhelmingly off the res they are overwhelmingly rejecting this war in these foreign conflicts And what they see is it's just a foreign distraction It's not just some of these voters are just instinctively anti-war They know friends or family that they fear are going to die in the war or get injured severely injured We're we're lying on a regular basis. I don't know how many time we're lying to the markets. We're lying to the public And then we're lying to everybody about the casualties. Oh, that was a friendly fire incident. Oh, that was an accident Oh, that was oh, we just had a little medical emergency. I mean all of this will be exposed as lies You know, they're at major risk. We'll get to you know impeachment risk war crimes being included lies to the public being included They're taking unconscionable risk in my opinion Including forfeiting the midterms at this point right now Democrats were win by double digits in the house That would translate into massive margins the kind of margins that will easily impeach everybody And then you'll have a democratic senate So they'll be up and that means Trump's legislative agenda is dead And it means all Trump is going to face and then there'll be real scandal investigations now

25:52Somebody on the inside is trading on inside information and prediction markets like polymarket regularly They've already tied at one case to is to israel other cases to it appears US military or political officials Including the end the secretary of energy say that the navy was escorting people through the streets of foremost That was false But somebody made a hundred million dollars and eight minutes on that false information So you've got the justice department that is regularly selling out access the live nation case Just got shut down and on a sweetheart settlement that the lead trial lawyer for the any trust division didn't even know Happened he didn't even know about it until Pam Bondy told him they'd done a secret settlement And it's being funded by big corporate lobbyists the same corporate lobbyist by the way currently running interference For the Trump administration on the legality of this war like Mike Davis Who's not even registered as a lobbyist so he's committing a federal felony on a daily basis So this time around the impediments will have real fire underneath the smoke Not only in the Iran war the then as well in conflict I mean you have Pete Hicksett out there bragging about committing war crimes

26:53He says we give no quarter to our enemy of any kind Yeah, okay, can you pull that up because I that's yeah I don't want anybody to take our word for this one. I want you to see it. This is from today Uh when Pete Hicksett went out there and I think yes, he's trying to give a kind of a raw raw thing toward the end about saying how we're tough and all this but uh watch what he actually says They're confused and we know it our response We will keep pressing we will keep pushing keep advancing no quarter no mercy I mean that what what are you talking about no quarter no mercy those are war crimes period and to say that's what we're doing That's not tough. That's foolish that contradicts everything we have ever been told and taught and learned in in Military I mean the our military lawyers that we have to go to classes to learn we can't do that Because that's that's country to international law it's contrary to American law Well, just look at what Israel did yesterday

27:54Israel released and stopped the criminal prosecution of those group of soldiers who were systematically raping Palestinian detainees and got caught in the and it was an Israeli whistleblower blew the whistle on them yesterday They they released them all said it's a blood libel if we even talk about this horrific War crime and violation of law and they're doing it in the middle of this conflict while Israel's going into Lebanon and hitting oil refineries and Water sanitation plants both war crimes particularly the water sanitation plants is a war crime But the way in which they hit that oil facility that caused black rain is what they're calling it now toxic chemical Whole cloud over to Ron is also a war crime and then of course We started off this whole war with the war crime by bombing a little girl school And the president just lied repeatedly about who did it pretending it I ran did it the when everybody I knew for people close I assume you probably may have heard the same thing people that were close to the Pentagon that they knew that we did it

28:55Then there's demon they're wanting to come up with an excuse for it My concern is that we have Israelis in our Pentagon and at the CIA dictating things Why do we have foreign government agents inside our Pentagon inside our CIA Involved in this operation at this level. Why did I mean they went out and said oh well We didn't hit the oil refineries. We didn't hit the word the Israel did Well, because they have what different objectives than what are they doing in the war? What are they doing in the conflict at all? But me who's running this war peers israel's running this war in the US is doing it for israel's benefit at their behalf You see bibi netanyahu out there saying now word israel's the global power even not not the US Israel because we've got the US right on our little puppet strings and so the But what he's doing is war crimes what he's been involved in his war crimes I mean, can you imagine the president going up and saying hey, we could we could seize this ship And I'm saying hey said thing. No, it's more fun to sink it sink ships and open waters that we were told about so

29:56It what would not be attacked by the Indians and we're bragging about them drowning We prosecuted people after Nuremberg over exactly this so these are open and shut more crimes by the president by the secretary of war And I wonder how long and this would be a question for you at some point don't don't some of these military officials have to resign rather than continuing to participate in this That's a question that I have as well that uh, you know Where where are the resignations because where is all that the the morality of war And the honor that we have I was taught my entire career and was told by the highest levels You have to do the right thing even when it's unpopular You have to say no to illegal orders. You have to say uh, we're going to do the right thing no matter What kind of pressure I get from above they taught those classes they and they demanded that we learn them Where are they now when it comes to when it matters the most this is when it matters not when you're doing some damn class somewhere And I don't see any of it so far

30:56Yeah, I agree, but I think the I think we will see the first set of impediments using war crimes In American history over this Combined with Venice especially because you have the president running around saying I don't have to be held accountable It's only my own soul my own conscience that I have to listen to that's it. That's my only guidepost Hegs that I mean look at what the White House is doing in a right we bombed a little girl school And and what are we doing? We're putting out, you know, little memes and videos like it's a football game Like it's a game of golf like it's an arcade video game This is horrific. This is morally horrendous behavior This is everything that the people that were critics of Trump and critics of America Clinged about us on full display that we are literally team of America world police South Park Film it the we think that's a script to use to celebrate this kind of conflict in the childish way I mean hegs death always sounds like he's reading off of a script the

31:57You know, oh, yeah, I can sound macho here. No sound real tough over here. I'm like you know I'm in an action film like Dan Bonzino like Dan ball is Bonzino. Oh, yeah, I'll do my karate on you These people are a disgrace disgrace to the American military Disgrace to the American founders disgrace to the American people. They are doing incredible damage to our public reputation For what for what they're gonna gain nothing out of this except BB Netanyahu patting himself on the back is television gets hit one more time Yeah, and they're Gary showing that on the screen right there. It was just Reprehensive. I was just shocked When I saw these things here that it never won. They're they're really poor quality. It's bad And then it's just stupid as it can possibly be to equate a game A kid's game known the less with killing people in battle and like that's a fun thing. I just uh I mean it's morally reprehensible. There's no better way to put it than you just did And there's nothing better shows you the insanity of Trump and Hegsdith in this war than this kind of behavior operation epic fury started like it's a video. Okay

33:03I mean this is I know what genius thought hey, let's use the first part of epic Is the same part as Epstein you know the first two letters. I mean that's how out of touch these people are Iran is now using the Epstein files as they're we're in a war against the Epstein class that you know We're out or the Iranian leaders are out protesting in the streets out by the way for everybody to see Ask yourself would any of those leaders be out on the street If they thought any Iranian rebellion was happening anytime. So yeah, they're out there without even big security surroundings This includes the entire hierarchy of the current not the sub not the new supreme leader who I mean why did is anybody think How how often do we two things one there was a military official who wants us to go to war with and you you know Once they keep the war going in Ukraine, but he admitted that there's never been in the history of warfare any evidence that a air campaign will change your regime didn't work for Nazi Germany Didn't work in Imperial Japan didn't work in Vietnam didn't work in Korea didn't work in Afghanistan

34:04didn't work in It's not going to work now in Iran the there's no evidence of that the second part is we misunderstood the regime And this is because Trump chose to the director of national intelligence to see gathered explain That you you combine the Persian pride with the Shiite Islamic martyrdom tradition with Iranian nationalism You put that trifecta together and recognize the history of bombing leading to the nation rallying to round the flag Not rallying against the flag in favor of the bomber in favor of the invader And see said there was there was no chance the regime would collapse Trump just convinced himself now they're foolish. They're wrong the babies whispers and Lindsey Graham's whispers are right You've Alex Jones saying you know he's taking a double double pounding for these guys And all we're trying to do is drag him out of there the uh and and he thinks it's a love affair Instead of a gang bang by the neocon deep state warhorse And so the that's the nature of what's taking place and it's I find it just horrendous at all kinds of levels

35:09And I don't think they understand this. I mean, I they're assuming that Trump's is going to write among apartments Cory Lewandowski was busy stealing millions of dollars and helping in Christy gnome do the same and was grinning around bragging Don't worry. Uh, I'm going to get a pardon from the president a rogue doge employee stole 500 million So security numbers to use for a private business. He said don't worry. Trump's going to pardon everybody It we're running the White House like it's a gangster operation like it's something out of the New York mob But even the New York mob knew in the show restraint. Trump does not Well, and that leads me to the next question here, which is I mean I'm we're going to talk about that the where this is going to lead militarily in this war here Because it's it's in a really dark place and it could go a lot worse for us here coming up But let's look at the bigger issue. I think You said it's kind of he's in a kind of a kinglier situation I said he's I've been using the analogy that it's like Nero Fiddling while Rome is burning. I it's one of those two. Maybe it's a combination I don't know But here's my big worry about that not just that it's foolish not just that it's got us into a war. We can't win

36:12But what if it becomes clear that it's not going to win and these poll numbers even the ones that are They're trying to doctor up or making look good even those don't work It starts going bad and now he can see even through all of this I don't know fog Did he's going to get a blood bath come November And that there's the risk that he may use a tactical nuclear weapon To do what the military can't do to open that straight of horror moves. Do you see that is a possibility? I think the biggest risk I agree with Colonel McGregor the You know, I've taken a lot of heat for defending Trump now for 10 years to personal and professional sacrifice given how he's behaved in the last Month or so the and so that the question becomes what's my assessment? I think we have enough checks and balances that there's no chance the US will authorize nuclear weapons Do we have the same checks and balances over BB Nihahu and Israel now? I'm assuming well when this came up in the summer of last year Pakistan said if a rent if Israel uses nuclear weapons Pakistan will use nuclear weapons against Israel

37:14So I assume that by itself is enough of a sufficient deterrence to prevent that from happening But it's a these are the ideas being floated some are let's put around On a second so so are you suggesting that checks and balances but Trump knows no checks and balances on anything He has clearly shown the Constitution the US law mean nothing to him. He will do whatever he wants Are you suggesting do you think that the situation could arise to where he may want to do what I just said and give the order We're going to use tactical nuclear weapons and someone's going to say no Yes, yes, my understanding is that the we have internally enough military checks and balances that that won't happen My own view of Trump is he's convincing himself of this delusion to such a degree that he'll stay in it as long as he can So he'll never use nuclear weapons because they'll think oh, we're just about to win and they're just about to surrender So I think he'll stay in that mindset for as long as possible and I hope he I mean I've been shocked I mean you remember for his first term he usually seen bothered anytime American soldiers died

38:15He seemed bothered if civilians died That's why the Syrian strikes were so all of a sudden he's lost all of that I mean, you'd think some alien came down and replaced him or something The are wearing like a bad simulation and we got bad Trump instead of good Trump or retard Trump instead of smart Trump the By the his bait because he's showing a lack of humanity for the concerns of what happened with the girls and other Rainian but also our own soldiers like yeah, well that's what happens and we have terrorism here. Yeah, that's what happens It's like what did this is not anything like the Trump I've watched for a long long time So that leads me to be I can I be sure that he won't do something crazy like hey, let's see what our nukes look like I can't say that Now like I would have had 99.9% confidence before old has started. Yeah, but my understanding is inside the US we have many Chexon balances on nuclear weapons that the that there's enough people around maybe including the vice president So that we would never go we would never cross that line my bigger concern is do we have those checks and balances on BB

39:16Less confident than you are because number one those nuclear codes the nuclear football go with him all the time and I would have thought that there would have been some of these senior leaders that wouldn't have gotten us into a war that any rational analyst said We can't win and yet there they are and they're still executing all these missions Maybe they would stop that one, but maybe they wouldn't so I'm I'm less confident. Let's hope we don't find out But I'll just say I'm less confident Yeah, all right, uh, well, you know the my hope is that JD would tackle at that point The uh just just you know get a bit jazzy and he's a younger guy. He's a stronger guy the uh He actually served in the military whereas Trump, you know had some bone spurs or whatever had to skip that draft the So you'll hopefully JD will get it. We'll get him under control Yeah, my other worry though is I don't I've heard different things about whether we have a veto on Israel BB using him That's my you know like there's a part of BB that seems so Disconnected himself. I mean he's out there saying this is going great. This is going awesome

40:20They're doing mass censorship in Israel. So nobody knows outside of Israel What's even happening there and they wouldn't be doing that mass censorship If it was going so well Iran is inviting in foreign press. Israel is censoring it So that gives you a sense of who thinks they're doing well in the war and so the So my concern would be whether Israel does so Now I think anybody uses nuclear weapons will be a permanent political pariah if Trump were to do that He would get impeached and removed uh He would be removed from them and it would be a utterly discrediting in so many different directions and ways Uh, he may even get blocked up in the interim So I I Trump himself has never talked that way has always been concerned about nuclear weapons So I hope that sanity is still present in his soul Uh, but I don't know Used to care about troops being killed too and that seems to have managed so that leads to another hard question here Is there and forget about the midterms of what may happen in 27 you've you've covered that a lot and I think that's Very plausible But in between now and then if this kinglier thing keeps going in in dangerous directions

41:26What are the chances of a 25th amendment? I would have thought I I have always said well, there's no chance I mean he hand picked all these people around him But if this thing gets far enough I mean is it the safe bet to say that they won't take action on that They could the practical problem is the he can contest it and you've got to get the same amount of you have to get even more Support from the house in the Senate for the 25th amendment than you do for impeachment For removal so like you have to get to to like if he challenges it under the so let's say the majority of cabinet says he's lost it He's out They submit that to Congress they can seize control for a couple of days Trump can contest it and unless two thirds vote to confirm that in the House and the Senate Trump's back in so the 25th amendment is really only useful when a person is truly malfunctioning you know you'd have to have Trump not in a position to be able to contest it to Congress In order for that to work So I think I mean, I'm hoping that Trump the I mean the other problem with all this is the reinforcement from Fox News and the Murdoch media

42:29Establishment the what Trump doesn't realize all these people when this war goes south as it goes south They'll just shift blame on Trump. That's what they didn't see any loss here for the deep Yeah, the deep states position was either we win this conflict and we get to take out Iran one of our main adversaries for 50 years or We get Trump taken out and discredits the criticisms of the deep state and criticisms of the war someone that we have long been at war with for 10 years Ourself so the deep states all this is that that would equal JD Vance coming back in and right they need to take him out first Some of my friends and my wife is one of them voted for Trump last time because of JD Vance So if they get rid of Trump then they get Vance right And that's what we're going to try to take out Vance first. That's what the the way how they do that They're going to use scandals connected to the antitrust division So the uh and the uh and you know Vance knows of this risk in this warning And it's why he's staying in like somebody were saying hey resign

43:30Well, he resigns would could create a whole different set of issues. So the uh And his ability to influence the administration will be growing So he's going to try to be the restraining factor is saying with Tulsi Gabbard try to be the restraining factor as long as they can He was a complete betrayal. I give Bobby candy credit He saw all this going on. He's like I think I'm going to go into surgery I need a surgery anyway. I'm going to go on your hand easier for a week and so well For then this isn't happening for Bobby. I mean it's been so much of his political capital lifelong political capital to get into this situation And Trump's blowing it all up the so yeah, I mean hopefully Somebody I think it's going to probably require people in the Pentagon people in the Pentagon. I've got to start stepping up You've got to have some generals or high-ranking military officials publicly announced their resignation over what's going on You've got to have things like that Uh, I think some of that I think notices the Pentagon leaking the information about the US being responsible for the girl school They're the ones spoon feeding that to the New York Times in the Washington Post

44:32Those are people that are unhappy with this conflict And they know it's at Achilles heel already for Trump Because it looks so horrible and horrifying Remember when he was ragged on Putin saying Putin was hitting old folks homes Never really made a lot of sense But how do you get on that moral grandstanding campaign when uh you when you just bombed a little girl school And appears we even double tap the school to you. I mean, I don't know if that's correct or not But I mean it does who's doing the live surveillance as uh the live uh feet I you know There's a lot of questions there And I do wonder whether we'll come back to some israeli connected party because Israel is showing it believes in collateral punishment is an effective mechanism of control in Lebanon and in Gaza So isn't that probably what they're doing here? Yeah, that's for sure Uh In the rain or the time we have here, uh Let's look a little bit beyond the midterms here and just what are some of the implications uh for the conservative movement in the event

45:32That this wipeout happens. I mean you can't even call it a blue wave I mean it sounds more like a tsunami or something possibly even bigger here But what is the implications for the things that President Trump ran on and some of the things that so many of the conservative voted him into and not just conservative But other independent Americans what is the ramifications policy was if you get a big blue wave like this So basically legislative agenda dead Second thing is a lot of your executive agenda is handicapped by all the scandal investigations They'll use their subpoena power The a bunch of people should just step down if they're smart The as soon as the blood bath happens Because every there would be subpoena you know christy gnome and her scandals Cory Lewandowski and his scandals pan bondy and Todd Blanche and Stanley Woodward and their scandals at the justice department Hexeth and these scandals at the defense department Rubio and his scandals at the state department Uh, yeah, I mean you've got one after the other after the other after the other after the other and they're not gonna be able to get anything done

46:37And so the the concern now the smart approach is to find all the most popular populist policies that these independent voters as part of his coalition wanted and do as much as you can through the executive branch To make changes whether to my food freedom or medical freedom or financial freedom political freedom Dealing with the law fair dealing with the deep state dealing with censorship dealing with any trust dealing with a wide range you'll help you allow people to buy food directly from the farmer Use the Department of Agriculture could do that on its own without legislative support Because it's sort of hijacked the sale of raw milk for example was made up by this the cdc It was not congratulate off the rise So there's a bunch of things that are niche issues to either maha or og mega america first people That he could push through in the exact and that would be the smart way to mitigate the harm and get back some buy-in from his base I fear what tends to happen when they get hit like this is they double down not only on stupid war policies But they double down on serving the donor class and all of a sudden you're hearing talk about well

47:40We're not gonna do mass deportations anymore That would be a massive disaster because that's a whole separate wing of his party There's some overlap but not a perfect overlap There are people that are okay with this war that but do demand immigration being forced If he drops that then he's got no base support anymore And it's when your base collapse even Nixon and Nixon in 74 and Bush in 08 their base still hadn't collapsed Their base was still with them. There was everybody else had left But their base was still there if he doesn't deliver on immigration reform Then his base will completely fracture and collapse and then he's got no support from anywhere And he's a dead man walking politically And he better just sit there and sign pardons all day for his friends his family and everybody else in the cabinet and then the last question is Whether before or after a wipeout What about those pesky Epstein files? Are they gonna go anywhere because uh so far Only two people have been held to any account one's already jailed and one is dead and nobody knew on the list But a lot of angry americans

48:40If he was smart what he would do is Unleash a an effective Epstein prosecution to show to to rebut the criticism and to get some a public accountability It's one of the most unifying issues in the country Public accountability for people that are criminally implicated in the Epstein files now. It's coming out You know Kushner has son-in-law that's causing a lot of these problems in these overseas conflicts Either lying or to misinterpreting what the Iranians were proposing in negotiations The unless Trump is lying about what he told him You know, you can't be sure But you have getting billions of dollars from the oilcheeks uh in the You know as the beginning of this conflict almost like a buyoff to go to war with Iran They now those oilcheeks might have misread. I wouldn't work out But you know, there wouldn't be the last time. It would be the first first or last time those guys have done that But you you've got all of those You know later you and then it turns out Kushner is connected to people that were just convicted of human trafficking that were Related and of course Kushner himself is in the Epstein files he invited Epstein to some of his parties

49:43I mean the guy chose to own a building called 666 You know I mean I mean you got to wonder a little bit But so the guy you say you mean Kushner used to have BB Netanyahu's sleeping in his house So that's how close they were so the all of those aggregate concerns You way you answer that is you unleash a real meaningful prosecution of the Epstein files You unleash a meaningful prosecution on the antitrust side you put to bed all of these claims by actually prosecuting My fear is he won't I mean the joke is that in order to distract from the debacle of the Iran war He's going to have to release some Epstein files And the other one is it shows Trump taking the Epstein files and putting him in the missiles that we're using I put some more in here put some more in here So a majority of Americans believe he went to war for the Epstein files in Israel. That's what a majority of Americans already believe Iran is using the Epstein files and its global propaganda against the United States They said this is a war against the Epstein class and they're saying well, we're out in the streets protesting with our people Where where are your leaders America or Europe? Are they at Epstein Island maybe?

50:47I mean, you know, it's unbelievably effective globally PR wise So the only way to get around that is not to pretend it's not a problem Unfortunately and to address it answer it get accountability I fear they'll go the opposite direction and try to continue to suppress it and censor And would would that would will anybody ever get this or will the the you know the the establishment to the the donor class the rich donor class Regardless of what party will they forever keep this this That lid on this and will we ever get any justice? I think Democrats have doubled down so deep that if they have all three branches in 2028 2029 They're going to have to release the rest of those files or then they become the people that are covering up the Epstein files Now they're the ones that to originate the Epstein cover up under the Biden administration But they've mostly been able to distance themselves in the public from that They won't be able to a second time around so the question is the so my guess is somebody's taken some of that Hillary Clinton bleeds bit special and going through delete delete delete delete delete delete

51:51As much as often as they can Because otherwise because Democrats are when they come in they're going to have to say Colley TV wanted to disclose it, but it's all been destroyed That's my guess is the what the narrative they picked my guess is we never see the real Epstein files That's that's what I feared all along because there's too many powerful people on again Above any kind of partisan divide here that's just up in the top which is screws all of us We'll just have to hope that something can happen it can force that release or that finally some some of these victims Maybe just take the courage to say all right. We're going to start naming names and bringing the lawsuits I don't know that's that's easy for me to say I don't live with that But I think like so many people we want some kind of justice for these heinous crimes that have been committed No doubt and I think you will see like what we're seeing in Britain a surge of third and independent party interest That you're going to see new interest in Maybe we the Republicans and Democrats just can't answer our needs We've elected now how many presidents since the fall of the Cold War promising us a peace dividend and a peace presidency

52:54And every single one has got us into war at some point every single one wins on keeping us out of war And every single one gets us into war at some point It's time to look at independent options third party options new options That the Republican democratic duopoly is corrupting and killing the constitutional republic And we got to start looking at other options and alternatives that are peaceful and within the system Otherwise we get the other kind of reaction. Yes. I don't think any of us really want that. Oh no No, we don't actually have got a I've got a periodic series on the next American Civil War We've gotten part six so far and I don't want that to get to a culmination So one of the reasons we're trying to warn about it to stay away from the violent pack And I'm a big advocate of what you said about a third path here one way or the other It's becoming an necessity in a requirement not just a good idea but Anyway, listen this has been just a chock full of great information And we really appreciate you coming on today This has really been something that we all need to know We are unintimidated and uncompromised on the truth here and man did you ever live that today? Thank you so much

53:58Oh, yeah, I was glad to be here and glad you're doing the work and If folks were following your channel They would be better informed than the president of the United States Is now this where it was going and it's going and it's likely to go Yikes, that's a scary thought Well, anyway, thank you very much and you can follow Mr. Barnes here at Barnes law llp.com so you can keep up with him And all the things he's got going do you have like a website or something like that? People might want to follow if they want to know more Oh, sure So the ad Barnes underscore law on x and then viva Barnes law dot locals dot com We do a wide range of direct contact great Board community. They have a range of opinions on this war for example They share it afraid to share it as long as you do it civilly and decently Um, and the it's such a great community doing a hush wash actually today uh alternative narratives of uh history The uh which will be on the rots child family uh thought it might be appropriate the number one family mentioned in the Epstein files That currently somebody's to leading their references to while this war is going on

55:01How interesting is that yeah, well, yeah, well means keep keep keep that light on that We really appreciate and value what you do thank you very much and we'll look forward to seeing you the next time Thanks everybody And we appreciate you guys too We will we will see you tomorrow because uh this is friday but uh a lot of things going on here We will definitely have our uh intel brief that we always have on friday to kind of catch you up in one big shot here It anything new that happens overnight tune in tomorrow daniel davis deep dive will see that you know We don't have sponsors because we hate to hit you over the head with ads. I don't like them So show a little love back subscribe like and send this to somebody you care about The bleacher report app is your destination for sports right now The NBA's heating up march bandis is here and MLB is almost back

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