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Is the next building block for the Dallas Mavericks plane in the final four coming up this

weekend?

And is it Keaton Wogler?

On today's Lockdown Mavs.

This is Cooper Flag and you're listening to Lockdown Mavs.

You are locked on the Dallas Mavericks since one of your host Isaac Harris covered the

mass for the last ten years.

For some of my good friend Nick Angstead and today I'm talking about the sub-coming final

four.

And if the Mavericks, if they're next building block to pair with Cooper Flag, is he planned

in the final four?

Because I think there's a decent chance that it could be- there's a couple prospects

in the final four that I think could go in the Mavericks draft range if they land in

that six or seven range or if they move up in the top four possibly.

I want to talk at the first about Keaton Wogler and then after that I want to talk about

my personal Mavs big board, the top ten, I'll do the top ten, not the top fourteen.

In that as I've been trying to do these one more things on certain prospects and I have

an episode coming out later today as I finally did one more thing on Braden Burries at Arizona.

So I might save some of my Burries stuff, just been deep diving him over the past week.

And at the very end we'll talk about the tank update where the Mavericks are at in the

standings.

And what is the difference is if the Mavericks land at five or six or if they land at six

or if they move back to like a seven or eight.

But first we'll start about Wogler because the hype train is on right now for Keaton Wogler

and Adales Mavericks.

It's been really cool seeing the love from Mavs fans and online, the Mavs community online,

they just show a lot of love for Keaton Wogler of the past, I guess 48 hours.

You know, you had a big, big past weekend, taking his team from the sweet sixteen now to

the final four for Illinois.

And you know, they're the three seed in that bracket, that bracket's just wild with Florida,

the one being put out earlier by Iowa, Houston losing to Illinois and Wogler and the crew.

And now you get this Illinois team that's in the final four, there's so much fun to watch.

They're so, they're so like similar to some like NBA offenses, you got guys, somebody

guys on the floor that can shoot the ball and stretch the floor out, multiple ball handlers

with Boswell and Wogler and even Paige's a son.

And I mean, there's just so many guys on this team, but it's headlined by Keaton Wogler,

this 19 year old six, six point guard that honestly looks like he's 13 out there, but

he is so dang good.

You know, I did a one more thing on him, I guess three weeks ago, so if you want a deep

dive, if you're just now over this past weekend, you tuned in for the tournament.

And now you're like, dude, I see a lot of people talking about Wogler, I have an episode

on him a couple of weeks ago because I've loved him for a while now.

He's been number five for me on my like big board for the maps, like out after you get

this outside of those top four.

It's been Wogler for me at the top of those guards for a while now over a cuff, over flimmings

and those guys, it's Wogler.

And for me, for me, it's Wogler and guys, we can all have different opinions.

It's fun.

It's fun that we can all like, and I've been a big can't, I've been a big guy in the

camp of like, you don't have to plant your flag on any of these guys, like you don't

have to because I think all of these guys could fit in Dallas to some capacity.

For me, I'm not like planning flag on Wogler Island, but like, I've just had him above

those guards for a while and I still have in there and I feel even more confident and

validated after this weekend, obviously.

So go back and listen to that episode, but just for the sake of it right now, I think

a lot of maps, maps fans in the fan base is, you know, right now you're seeing everything

through the lens of Cooper flag.

And as you should, as this temporary air quote, front office, Finn Cardi, you know, I

think some people we try to have fun with with Michael Finley and Matt Ricardi, but everything

is seen through the, the prism of Cooper flag and it's like, who could fit alongside

Cooper flag?

And while also, you know, you're bringing back Kyrie and all that, but it's still, it's

like, who could fit alongside Cooper?

And there's so many people that can fit alongside Cooper, it's, that's one of the luxuries

with a Cooper flag is almost anybody can fit around Cooper.

But when you look at a guy like Wogler, it's so easy.

Like you don't have to try to figure out the routes of how this could go or like roster

building or line up flexibility or how he fits with Kyrie and Cooper or how he fits with,

you know, if a healthy dareclive leaves out there, like you don't have to do all of that

because Wogler can fit with anybody too.

And that's one of the, I think it's, I think that's one of the things with Wogler, especially

with the Mav's point of view right now is you can just see it so perfect.

You know, Nathan at Noisee Lings had a tweet over the weekend about how his favorite, you

know, fit for Wogler in that top seven, top eight range is Dallas because he's like, it's

he's so easy from the coming in and fit alongside Cooper, fit alongside Kyrie Irving.

And if you're unfamiliar about Keaton Wogler, you know, he's six, six, he's 19.

He gets, you know, just two to three big college offers coming out of high school.

Illinois is one of those like as far as like bigger schools and one of the only bigger

schools that offers him.

He comes to Illinois, one of the biggest question marks for him going into Illinois was if

he was going to red shirt his freshman year.

And you know, I tell a story because there's a great story in the athletic written about

him about his kind of rise up this, you know, this year in how like the coaches at Illinois

calls back to his hometown and is like, hey, y'all should, y'all should be hiring an agent

right now because because Keaton's that good.

And you know, they have a Boswell, which is, you know, this upperclassman guard, their

point guard.

He gets hurt early on and they take this combo guard, six, six guy who kind of grew up

in this playmaking role and said, hey, we need you to be our point guard right now.

Like we got to run you at point and they put Wagler at point and they literally became

the top offense in the country.

And they haven't looked back since Boswell since came back.

They play well with each other.

So it shows you that he can play alongside another point guard out there.

If you're just looking at next year and saying, well, could he fit with Kyrie?

Yeah, he could fit with Kyrie.

It's basically taken the Max Christie spot and saying, and we love Max.

He's an incredible shooter, but saying, hey, can we make that spot get the same type

of shooting or same efficient shooting, but also add like a playmaker, ball handler, like

make it a point guard to and like, that's what kind of Wagler is.

He's an elite shooter.

You start just, I mean, you could go down, pick your stat this year for Wagler.

And once again, he's just 19 as far as like, you can look at some of his box plus minus

stuff.

You can look at his overall win shares, especially in the big 10.

He shot over 42% on 10 and a half threes per 100 possessions this last year.

I mean, you could just like, you could go down to some of his percentages.

You look at some of the, some of the games for him, I was just texting some guys over

the weekend about him.

I was like, there's two games that if you want to go back and watch Keaton Wagler right

now, it is because I like to look at prospects and I like to look at them and say, all right,

show me.

I want to see some of their best games when they just got everything clicking, but I want

to see some games with a really struggling.

I know they're seeing some stuff that they're not used to seeing.

Obviously, there's the Purdue game with Wagler, where he puts up 46 and Mackie and it was

just a, you know, at Purdue, it's just a crazy game to watch Wagler do this thing there.

Also go watch his gaming into Michigan where he struggles some, they put Linda Bork on

him and Linda Bork is like 6869 guy that just like, I mean, just has the NBA body now.

You watching him.

He's going to be in the final four to love him, but he's just like man handles Wagler,

because the one of the biggest things about Wagler is like, hey, he's not strong.

He's not athletic enough or he's not explosive enough.

He doesn't even dunk this year, but that's a real stat.

He hasn't dunked this year.

And I get some of it, I get, I honestly do get some of it, but the thing I've said about

Wagler all along is, give me the positional size at 666, that can run a point guard spot,

give me the elite shooting, give me the playmaking.

And I think his weaknesses, being his strength and his like explosion is easier to fix than

some of the other guards in that range, some of their weaknesses.

Because we see all the time about how skinny guys come into the league and then they put

on muscle, they look so much different in a couple years into the league.

And I think that's where you're going to see Wagler kind of take that next step when

he gets to the league.

Because yeah, he struggles right now, when he gets into the paint and people get physical

with him and it pushes him off his spot and he can't finish over people at times.

And you're like, oh, I want you to be more explosive or more physical.

You're 666, you should finish that or get through the paint and I think that will come

with time.

I'm betting on all of the other stuff that Wagler brings to the table.

You hear that a lot, he just, he's so poised at 19 to seem in these big moments.

I think if he could land in Dallas, the hype is warranted.

I think he would fit a lot of what Dallas is trying to do with building lineups with

size.

He can play the one and can play the two.

I mean, heck, when Illinois runs zone at times, he's playing one of those low spots

in the zone, like they don't even have to have him as one of the top two spots.

And he's their point guard, playing a low spot in the two, three zone, like because he

has that type of size, they don't have to put him at the top.

So I think he's a really good prospect.

I'll be fascinated to see what happens with him on draft night and some other teams like

really get spicy and try to put him into the top four because he's so big.

But I like him in Dallas.

He's been at five for a while.

He's going to stay at five.

I think for me, it opens up after five of what you do with the rest of guard stands.

So the white, the Wawgler hype train, man, it is on right now, especially for the Mab fans.

And I think a lot of it is warranted.

Let's take a quick break and then we'll come back.

And I want to go through my top 10 players right now for the Dallas Mavericks.

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All right, it's talking about the Mavs.

Just talking about the Keaton Wagler hype chain coming out of the Elite 8, sweet 16 weekend.

He said to the final four, if you're a Mavs fan, you've seen probably some hype over

him online.

Now, you can fit in Dallas over the past 48 hours.

And one, I just want to say real quick, thanks for being, for a lot of you guys for being

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Let's talk about a personal bigboard because I don't really do this too often and I always

get this texted in our text line and Q&As or discord or on Twitter, it's like, hey,

can you just give us your top 10?

I should do this more because I keep it pretty fluid because I like talking about these

individual players and I try to drop these one more things on each one of these players.

And I've seen you guys, I've seen the text and the reachouts about, when's your one

more thing of Burry's going to do, when are you going to do your homework on Braden

Burry's?

And I'm like, I get it, I know I need to do it, especially with this Arizona run right

now.

And that's going out, it's going out later today.

So top 10, all right, let's do a top 10 bigboard.

We got to preface this because we got to say the date and time because, you know, everybody

loves to come back and fight you on draft takes and stuff after the fact.

But yeah, I mean, we're, I'm recording this, what Sunday night, the 29th, we're heading

into the final four, the final four set.

And right now, this is where I stand, AJ DeBots has been number one for me for a long

time.

I don't feel like, I mean, I guess at some point we'll do a, we'll do a whole show on him.

I'll do a one more thing on him to, it's funny because last year, I mean, for years,

we've been doing this podcast since 2017.

So we have, I have so many draft profiles of guys over the years, including a Dennis

Smith Jr.

draft profile.

And it's funny because last year, you know, we were like starting to build our big boards

and all the stuff.

And then you get Cooper flag, you get the number one pick and you're like, well, crap.

Now, I mean, you're excited about it, but for the content sake, you're like, well,

now I don't really have to do any big boards and I don't, we don't, we're not going to

do any other draft content because we got the best player in the draft.

So there's a chance Dallas should jump up to number one.

They could land in the top three, top four, still get AJ DeBots, I've just had him at

that one spot.

I'm not moving off of it right now.

I think just what he brings to the table in this day and age of what the NBA is at his

size, the movement, I'm not worried about some of the shooting stuff that I believe in

the form.

I believe when he's playing with other teammates, it's kind of similar to the Michael Brown stuff.

I think some of the shooting percentages with Michael Brown gets a little overblown.

I'm like, did you watch that loval team play this year?

Who else did you want besides Conwell shooting a shot like who else was creating?

So I think some of the debaunts is up like numbers wise efficiency stuff will get better.

I think he's a better defender.

Some people think he's just like not a defender and I'm like, no, that's not true.

So anyway, I like debaunts at one.

I know this.

I've said this before on this show.

So it's not a surprise if you've been listening to this show for a while and I'm not going

to dive into it now because I want to do a whole top 10.

I've had Caleb Wilson for the maps at number two.

I would take him over over Peterson and Booser right now.

Yeah, I feel like that's a whole different show topic.

Once again, when you look at positional size, I believe I think he has the highest potential

of defense out of all these prospects at the top.

I think he can be that good defensively.

The athleticism.

I'm a believer in what a shot will be and look like at the next level.

I just think the pairing of him and Cooper could be like really, really scary.

I have Peterson after him at three.

For a lot of the reasons why a lot of people would have him at one or two, I think you're

looking at basketball fit, you know, just fit wise.

I mean, it's perfect to see the Peterson fit in Dallas.

He could play with Kyrie.

He plays with Cooper flag, the offense, the shooting.

I think his playmaking is underrated.

I think his perimeter defense is underrated.

For me, it's just all I want to see some of the medical stuff, like how much of this medical

stuff are we going to see at the next level?

Yeah, or is it just like one year thing?

I don't really care as much about the personality and things and all of that.

I think he is really, really good on offense.

But I want to see he has like a small asterisk next to him.

I've like, hey, I want to see some of the like medical stuff.

And that's where I'm like, oh, could I move him up above Caleb Peterson or Caleb,

Caleb Wilson for me, maybe, but I've had it.

I've had Wilson at two, Peterson at three, Booser at four.

I think Boosers and credit, what about that Yukon shot and braid bullets?

Um, if you haven't seen the Duke radio guy, the reaction after the Mullins shot for Yukon

to beat Duke, you got to go listen to it.

It's just incredible.

I quote to you to just after the Mullins shot goes in, it's just incredible of,

well, that should be a technical like the player celebrating, you know, coming off the bench.

Simon's like, oh, yes, sign me up.

This is, this is feeding families right now, uh, the loser mentality in the tone of your

voice and that they should have a technical celebrating.

Um, I've had Booser at four.

I think he's really, really good player.

I, I, I think anytime you like question Booser, it's like the calculators come at you.

And it's like, you don't know ball because look at these numbers.

And I'm like, well, I think it's okay to like question if some of this stuff will translate

the exact same with NBA, but I think he's going to have a long career in the NBA.

I've been saying Kevin love like a lot of people and Kevin loves and a hall of

favorite player.

Like it's not a diss.

Um, Keaton Warrgler five talked about that.

So there's my top five.

I wouldn't entertain anything else after that.

So here, here we go or anything else.

Yeah, you get the point.

Let's go six to 10.

I have eight cuff at six.

I have Braden Burries at seven.

I have Michael Brown at eight Kingston Flimmings at nine.

LeBaron Phylon at 10 and just for the fun of it, I tied at 10.

I have Linda Bork and I get it.

I know Linda Bork is like 35.

I get it.

And I get all the age stuff.

I love that guy.

I just do.

I think he's, I just, I love his mentality.

I love his, everything.

Um, let's go to that guard order because everybody's going to be up in arms.

Everybody, everybody has their take on this guard order.

And honestly, I love it.

I love the discourse around this like as far as like debates.

If it's like fun, some of the discourse around this draft is driving me insane

because it's like a, it's going in like a circle of like, man, this draft was generational.

Then it like entered into head this, are we, are we sure about this draft?

Like, yeah, it's a lot of flaws.

Then it turned into like, dude, after like one of those top two guys, this sucks, this draft sucks.

Then it's like, well, you know, this could, we could have a lot, this could be a deep draft.

And then it's like, oh, this draft is generational.

And then we're starting to like cycle back to it back over.

I'm like, I think we're just analyzing this draft way too much right now.

So this draft order has changed for me so much.

I think a cuff, I'm still going to like a champion for him as far as like, I think where he's at offensively.

Like I'll still, I'm still going to like champion for him.

I want him to do good.

But I'm also like, I don't have him in my top five.

And honestly, I could put buries over him.

I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about buries right now because I'm going to save it for the one more

thing that's coming later today.

But I think what a cuff does play making wise on offense, the shooting, some of those shooting numbers for a cuff is just insane.

You got to go look him up.

If you think he's just like a, hey, I'm going to drive and pass and all this stuff.

No, the dude is playing off ball catch and shoot numbers, catch and shoot from the corner to like in crazy numbers.

Michael Brown's the one that I just don't know what to do with right now.

I got to know more about the back.

And you might say that's a cop out, but I have him at eight.

Then I have flimmings at nine, file on at 10.

I love libering file on it, did a one more thing on him last week.

I think it's great.

I just don't, I don't know if I could put him up there in that like five, six, seven range right now.

I don't know.

I do like him a lot.

Some people have file on like early 20s.

I'm like, y'all are crazy.

Like this is a, he's a lottery pick for me.

But in flimmings, I'll have a one more thing on him in the next couple of weeks.

But some of his three point race stuff, some of his shooting form.

I think he's, he's the fastest guy in the class.

But I, I guess scared about some in it like skinny frame.

The three point shot, it scares me some.

Yeah, he just has, you got a nitpick with these guys, right?

Like I think they're also good.

I think they all would fit in Dallas.

But you got to find some reasons why you would have this guy over the other guy.

And that's the small reasons why flimmings just behind some of these

other guys.

So there's my, there's my list of top 10 there.

You're going to see a lot of these guys in the final four coming up or at least

that handful of these guys, even after that, there's some prospects.

I like late.

And that's why I'm going to do in the third segment.

And the third segment, I'm going to do rapid fire through some of these prospects.

I like that Dallas could go after with their second first round pick.

And then we'll do a tank update and like where the maver's rat with all of that.

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All right, I'm back talking about the maps, talking about the drafts and prospects

doing a tanking update and just a little bit.

I want to wrap it fire through some of the prospects and stuff.

The Mavericks, obviously in that Anthony Davis trade, you know, they picked up.

Okay, sees pick in the first round or setting it like that 30th pick in the draft.

Right now somebody is going to fall to that 30th pick in the draft.

Now I think it's going to surprise some people of who that could be.

But here's some guys that's played over the past weekend that I just made different

notes on as I build out different draft profiles because I love the draft and trying

to project who's going to be in the league and everything.

I've been saved for a long time.

I love Morris Johnson junior at Michigan.

I think I would have more as in probably in that 12 to 14 range.

If it's me, it's higher than a lot of other people.

I think he is one of if not the best big in this draft.

He plays the four a lot at Michigan, but I like him at the five a lot at the next level.

He just gives you his motor and rebounding and also shooting and an indicator of a lot

of good shooting is you look at a lot of his who whereas free throw percentage

stuff and you're like, man, all right, you're a good free throw shooter too.

I just I love what more as Johnson brings to the table.

He had some, yeah, the Michigan team is rolling right now with him in Linda Borg.

And Mara is a Mars there, you know, seven three guy at center.

He's fasting to me.

There's a lot of numbers that show just how effective he is and how he's been one

of the best bigs in NCAA for a while.

I don't sometimes, you know, he played in a game a while back.

I was watching the team just pulled him away from the basket.

I think it was in their conference tournament and they just torched him in the pick

and roll and I'm like, dang, that's going to happen to you at the next level.

But we say this, I say this a lot of these teams need guys like that and are

centered in their center rotation.

Like you got to have some big bodies like that.

And you know, if you got him at 30, if you got him in the second round, like

the Mavericks haven't had a big like plotting center like that in a while.

And yeah, he just give you a different look at the five spot.

Speaking of that, a guy that like more than Mara in that bigger body guy is

Krivas at Arizona.

I think he's seven, two, but what he does rebounding and defending a paint.

His some of his defensive numbers around the rim and in the paint are just scary.

You can make the case that he's the best defensive big in in this draft class.

So it wouldn't shock me if he goes a little higher and surprise some people in the draft

and isn't there at 30.

Bennett starts, man, Iowa want to run.

He is so much fun.

I am fast and I see where he goes.

He's going to be 23 in his rookie season, the NBA.

Linda Borg's going to be 24, which is crazy.

Age is going to hurt those guys a lot, especially when some of these guys are

going to like Keaton Wagler's going to start his NBA career at 19.

So you're looking at four year difference, five year difference between 19 and 24

of like a Linda board guy, a prospect.

But you know, you look at Bennett starts and it's like you see it, right?

Like I think he is just made to come off the bench in a sixth, seventh man role

for a good team and can obviously get a shot, but can run the offense to

he's a little bigger than I think what some people think he is.

He's not like the same size of Braden Smith at Purdue.

So I like starts a lot.

I don't think he's going to be there at 30.

I think he'll go on the teams early 20s.

Some smart teams going to take him.

He's going to be really good.

Isaiah Evans, many had some really big moments, not the moment of not getting his

hand up against Mullins, but he had some good moments here in the tournament.

He's been like a penciled in type of guy that I want at 30 for Dallas.

He's not going to be there at 30.

I don't think just a really good shooter.

He showed these more than a shooter for Duke at the six six six seven wing spot.

Every team needs and guys at that range or in that size range on the wing and

that can do what he does.

So I like a lot.

And man, if he's at 30 in the game at 30, that would be awesome.

Nate Amit.

I've been calling him Rocky Top Reese's day for a for a while.

Man, I just don't I don't know.

Like somebody's going to take him he he should go back to school, to be honest.

Like he's a guy that could go back to school, get a ton of NIL money.

Come back and be like a top five pick next year if he like develop more in college.

I it's just I struggle with him.

I struggled to see it.

I get it six 10.

You can shoot.

He can do the like I just I mean, he was getting defended by smaller players over the weekend.

And like do your six 10 and you like you're already getting that like I don't I struggle with him.

I wasn't right now.

If he came out in this draft, I wouldn't take him in the lottery.

So but who am I?

I'm just a little podcaster.

Mullins for you, Khan, what a shot insane, insane shot.

I don't know what to do with him either because on paper, everybody's like, dude, he's such a good shooter.

And I saw this tweet not too long ago.

And it's like stuck with me ever since someone tweeted, I did not say this, but I'm going to repeat the tweet.

Someone tweeted and said, hey, did we racially profile my pray Mullins at a at Yukon because it's like,

hey, dude, shooter, incredible shooter.

But his shooting percentage is not being great at all.

So, but he had his moment and I don't know what to do with him.

If he can be a lights out shooter, then sure, but I'm not I don't have him as a lottery pick right now.

Anything else?

I'm stay saving my burry stuff for the other.

All right, tank update.

This is where we're at on Monday, the 30th, Utah is setting at the five spot lottery odds.

They're three and a half games up on Dallas.

Air quote, Dallas isn't catching them, right?

They're they're staying at that five spot heading to the lottery.

Here's where it gets tricky and this will have been tracking all along.

Dallas is setting that six.

They're seven and a half games back New Orleans.

They're tied with Dallas right now at that six spot.

They're seven and a half games back.

So and then after that, Memphis is at the eighth spot.

They're a full game back from from Dallas.

So, you got, Dallas has got to hold the line.

All right, there's no other way around.

You got to hold the line.

Dallas is scheduled this week.

You got the wolves.

You got the bucks.

You got the magic.

Woof, the magic right now.

Maybe they can just help mosey out right now.

And then the Lakers coming in on Easter Sunday.

That's great.

The bucks game, that is going to be very interesting for all parties involved.

All right, so prayers go out for anybody as tickets to that game.

That should be a very interesting matchup as the bucks and Dallas are in that

top 10 race right now.

But the difference is if you're Dallas and you land it like six versus you landing

at like eight or nine.

If you land at six, I think there's a decent chance that,

that Wogler and Acuff could like separate themselves a little bit with some

teams for that guard for that, you know, like those group of guards coming

out of that top four, like that five or six range.

And if you stay at six and you land at six, you have the chance to land at six.

And let's say you do land at six, you don't move in top four, but nobody jumps

you and you land at six.

Then if you are in the camp of wanting to move back and trade back, I could see

a team willing to pay a good price to move up for a Wogler or to move up for a

Darius Acuff.

If you're not fully sold on one of those two guys, and if you're Dallas and

you're looking at it, saying, man, we could get a King's ransom from a team at eight,

nine or 10, move back, pick up additional first round picks or a young player with

a first round pick and get a Braden Burries or a LeBaron Phylon or Michael Brown

or something like that.

Then I think you need to stay at that like six range, maybe seven, because I think

once you move back down to like eight or nine,

I could be wrong.

I don't, I don't think a team is going to give you a King's ransom to move up to eight.

I just don't.

So that's where this comes into play.

And on top of that, even if you don't want to trade your pick, you get the choice

of one of those two guards, if you think those two guards are at the top of that

guard list.

So anyway, that's what's that stake.

There's for the maps.

There's the tanking update.

That's where they're at.

There's some talk on my personal top 10 that I'm sure none of you have any opinions

on. And then all about to Keaton Woggler hype chain right now.

I have him at five.

I think he's a great fit in Dallas.

Dallas could land him if they don't move into the top four on draft, on draft lottery

night, then I'm going to be right here doing the podcast with Nick Sain.

All right, Keaton Woggler should be at the top of their board outside of that top

four. I'll be back later today with a whole episode on Braden Burries.

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