The Latest Damning Report on CTE and the NFL | Hour 3

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2:01for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online makes sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. We are listening to the Dunl Avatar show in partnership with the DraftKin Sports app now live in all 50 estates. How mad is Dan going to be that the NFL and CTE, there's this new study that I get emotional when I think about Dan missing things. How upset are you going to be when he wasn't here when this new study about football players and CTE came out? Even more mad that ESPN did a good job covering it. Did they? Yeah, much better than we did. That's funny before you get to their coverage, Greg, when I was younger, when I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to play football. I played basketball, I played baseball. My parents were not let me play tackle football. Now, I probably wouldn't have any way.

3:02Oh, small, but I wasn't. I didn't get missed out. Well, could have been, but I wasn't allowed to play tackle football because the fear back then in late 80s, then into 90s was always the spinal cord injuries. That was the big fear. Keep fighting. Parausus. You're going to be okay. Look at me, I'm here for you. I won't call attention to it one bit. Filling. Yeah, see it's not just me. Thank you, Zez. So the spinal cord injuries. We're right at the ship. I know, we're good. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. You're welcome. I'm a good teammate. And now, we never, never considered head injuries. And now, not that it's changed as if spinal cord injuries are not a thing anymore. Of course, that's, you're right on the money there. When I was growing up, it was all about, you know, for all of us. Yep. It's a real fear. And now, it's all about head injuries, which of course isn't something that can necessarily, the fear with the head injuries is what it's going to look like in the future.

4:03It's not what's going to happen to you now. Prousist spinal cord injuries, that's still very much a thing, you know, that hasn't softened a bit, but nobody talks about that anymore. It's all about the head injuries. Well, there's a visceral thing with the neck injuries, but what's so scary about what's going on with head injuries and CTE. Yeah, you can identify and cherry pick individual hits when two was lying on the Cincinnati turf. You're like, well, that's going to come up and bite them. But there's so little that we know about the repeated. And actions of football and now with this study, which is terrifying because if you read the report from this, this medical journal that did this, this report, there are some doctors that were of the belief that, no, it's way higher than what they said, which is one and four. One and four was basically what they landed on after. Which feels like a lot in of itself, one and four. One and four is horrific. It feels really high. Yeah, that's really scary.

5:04And I don't think it's going to change anything, even though he has been did a really good job covering it yesterday. I think when it comes to football, we're going to start treating this like cigarette smoking. The people that do it understand everything. It's been made very clear. Generationally, it's been hammered into their heads. This is bad for you. In all likelihood, will undo your health in some sort of profound way. I don't think it's coincidental that the NFL has poured millions and millions of dollars into flag football and developing flag football as a national sport and Olympic sport. Fast growing sport. Yeah, because I think over time, if CTE is not solved and if all of a sudden one and four becomes two and four, over time, football, tackle football is going to become less and less popular. I mean, there are really, really stark changes that have already come to the league. I have a world in which they're wearing these huge helmet guards.

6:04Insteadically, the game is going to look different. I think a generation from now, no doubt because it's super dangerous. The way that you go to different countries, the warning labels on cigarettes are horrific, really jarring images and people still reach for them. It's so ingrained in American culture that it's going to take several decades for us to break our obsession with the way the sport looks. And I think, culturally, people are going to see the health risk. They've become more and more clear as the years have gone by and people still make the decision to go through with it like cigarette smoking. And not unlike cigarette smoke, like we can admit it's bad for us, but God, we look cool doing it. Let's bring in our friend Jessica, some antenna, the Notre Dame weekly Notre Dame podcast, the echoes. Of course, she does with Mike Goliak, Jr. Yes, do you ever feel bad when you're watching NFL? You see a guy maybe head head hit. It's probably going to be a concussion. He leaves the game like knowing the things that we know now, do you ever feel bad?

7:08Like has it changed the way that you watch? Cause I'll get out in front of it first. It has not really changed the way that I watch. Like I understand the head injuries are bad, but nobody's forcing anyone to play football in the same way you know you can get broken bones when you play football. I'm glad that we have the information that we have. I'm glad the players know this risk, but it's the same thing where yeah, like the same way you could bring, you know, tear your knee, you can get a bruise on your brain. Do you want to play football? Oh, you do? Okay, great. Well, you know, here you have the information. We have free will and you can play football. It hasn't really changed the way that I watched the game. It's definitely impacted the way I've watched the games as and it definitely is something that I think about a lot, especially because I cover football for a living in like what part am I playing in this? And like do the players have all the information or is there still stuff that they should know about the risk that they're putting themselves through? And I think if there were safety measures that were continued to be taken by the different football leagues, I would never as someone who's not putting my body on the line argue

8:10with that. Like you see people in the comments all the time being like, this isn't real football, back in mind, well, well, we know more now and I'm not going to argue with people that are trying to make it safer if there is a way to make it safer. And that ultimately is I think firmly up for debate. I think the part that people probably argue with, you know, the whole, hey, this is not real football, that's stupid, okay? We should try to be safe. But I think the part that people argue with is when, you know, the player wants to play. He wants to go back in the game. I'm fine. I'm okay. I'm an adult. And the, you know, league, if you will, has rules where they're not allowing you to go back in the game. Like I think that's the part, whether it's the right way to look at it or not, I think that's the part that probably a lot of fans look at and don't like. Right. But it's also a very temporary fix, right? It doesn't eliminate CTE or concussions or anything. It just sort of makes it better for that game.

9:11Trista, I want you to bring this up with Jess here because I think she wanted to, I think she mentioned that she wanted to talk about this as well. But you were telling me about this yesterday, Trista, this commercial that's out there, right? This Callaway ad that we saw, which people are out there apologizing for now. Can you explain this to us, what happened here? Sure. So there's a, I would call it like a bro network, creator network called Good Good. They got super popular during, I think the pandemic. They sell golf brand and they sell a lot of merch. And they did a Callaway collaboration to put out a driver and they put out a commercial to promote said driver. They're apparently Callaway says they didn't know anything about and weren't responsible for producing. And as soon as they put the commercial out, there was some major backlash, some folks in the back thing play on in the video room. I'll let you guys be the judge.

10:11I want Jess to sound off on it as well. All right, so let's give this a watch here. Here's the beginning of the ad. So it's a woman she's reaching for a driver. Do not touch my new driver. A guy runs in, he trucks her and then warns her not to touch his new driver. I don't know if it's a warn if it's already happened. It's a threat. It's a threat. They're tackled the shit out of her. What an equality. And so people got mad about this. They were they issued a traction. Yeah, they go. I'm sorry, Chris. I didn't I didn't mean that I'll do. Yes, do you could you tell what this ad is supposed to be satirizing? No, I have no idea. Okay, apparently it's supposed to be satirizing obsession. Oh boy. That's what I read. That's what I read earlier today. Is that not one? Is that not true?

11:13I didn't get that. I've seen obsession. I have it. I'm not a scary movie person. I'm terrified. I just saw this ad and I saw obsession. I didn't think when I saw that ad anything about obsession, I thought I saw a dude trucking a girl and I don't remember that part of the obsession. Right. It wasn't even hilarious. I was just like, what is this? I'm watching. Yeah. Is it like the guy is under the spell then from obsession and he loves you? I don't know. I honestly, I think it's part of a longer ad. I didn't really get into it too deeply because I don't really think they're, it's bad. If it is satire, it's bad satire and I don't understand it. There's probably no defense you can make for it other than like this was a bad creative decision. And Callaway has put out, I think, multiple statements at this point and like the most recent one, they were like, we should have said something before this went public. We need to do some quote mistakes were made unquote. We need to do some digging on how this got out there because this should not have passed

12:17muster with our advertising team. Yeah, I mean, he trucks are pretty good. Golf Galaxy has taken all of the good, good merch off of their shelves and congratulations to golf channel. They have, there's a big break TV show that they did in collaboration with, with good good. They're going to postpone it a week. See how it all goes down. See how it plays out. Yeah, this is just one of those things where there's a lot going on here, Zaz, because there's obviously a lot of tension between legacy media and like new media, YouTube, social media, like creators, all of that's at play golf. We know more of a old man's sports, a more strict stingy kind of demurer sport. And then there's all these like new younger people trying to get people into the game and be more exciting and upbeat. And they have these YouTube channels and this group has over two million followers and they do have some female creators as part of their network apparently too. And the guy in that video is one of the co-founders and the woman is someone who is part of the

13:19network. So I've read, I was not familiar with this group, but you guys know I do dabble in golf. I am a golfer. And so this is an unfortunate way for me to find out about this channel. There's also like part of me that kind of feels a little bad because I'm like, they're so over their skis trying to make an ad here. They're not an ad agency. They weren't ultimately like Calloway should be getting, I think most of the blame here because they let this slide, they let this go out there into the world and they are like the established decades old golf brain involved. But then part of me is like, no, this is such a bad idea. Like this is, no, it's not funny at all. I don't know how anyone is defending it. And then like you get to the point where you're like, well, what do you do about this now? Like should people get fired? Should they cut ties with this group entirely? Apparently, dick, sorry, I just ate a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Apparently, dick is like pulling their merch off the shelves right now.

14:20What kind of bread? Gluten free bread. Mm, okay. It's not bad actually. You cut the crust? That's fine. No. Okay. I tried gluten free uncrustables last week. I remembered that I don't have the patience for them to fall. I tried uncrustables for the first time in my life. Like six, eight months ago, I can't believe what I was missing. I love them now. They're real, yeah, I mean, they're phenomenal. They gluten free ones. Not as much. Anyways, it's kind of like, what do we do? We're now in like the, I don't know, sixth day of backlash to this ad because again, it is, it is that bad where it's like, how did this get made? How did this, like, how did so many people see this and it still ended up on the internet? But apparently they're sponsoring a PGA tour event in like two months. So what is going to happen now? Like what, what happens to this brand? What happens to this YouTube channel? What happens to Calloway? I don't know. So Fall and Miami doesn't necessarily mean sweater weather the way that it does around the rest of the country where you might be listening from, but it does for me mean an

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16:24That's quiance.com slash dam. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks. I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah, you usually take all the credit for it but it's because Tony usually walks in with queer. I'm blocking my piss. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Quarovo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. It usually take the credit for it but again, it's the quarovo effect. It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quarovo. Keep it quarovo baby. Down lebertar. I do agree with Greg. Why are you talking so slow? I need to win this opener. It's because you can hear yourself. It's kind of awkward. Greg, do you have a pack of my day? A what? Greg, Connie. I stand behind Greg for not doing back in my days anymore.

17:24You all have him singing songs and doing so many ancillary things that is ridiculous and you know it. Talk faster. I'm talking to my normal speed. This is my wife loves this deep sexy voice. I'll tell you that. How would you talk to her with it? Baby. This is the down lebertar show. Just let's get some thoughts from you on the SEC yesterday where the SEC a couple of days ago put out a very very soft launch of rules. When it comes to allowing professional athletes to come back to school for a fifth year, they

18:25didn't really do anything. It was like a soft launch. They did their toe and with that statement. Then the big 10 yesterday came out of the real statement. The SEC then followed suit and they voted 16 to none. All member schools voted to not allow the bullshit to actually go forward. A, what did you make of it? B, my question here was if it's 16 to nothing, the unanimous vote, that means LSU voted in favor of not having the bullshit to what change? They're the ones who are spearheading the bullshit. Well, does would you believe that in the history of college football, there's a bunch of schools that have agreed to rules, but then when the rules are applied to them, don't want to actually follow them. That has been kind of the history of the NCAA. This SEC doing this is like a, I think sort of a soft launch of their proposed self-governance model that they've been meeting about for the last few months.

19:26If we don't get this legislation passed, the Protect College Sports Act, can we actually have our own rules and will people follow them? This, like everything else, is going to get challenged in court because none of this is collectively bargained. And so there's a ton of federal laws in play here. So, to be honest with you, like, this is my least favorite part about college sports is how much we get bogged down in the minutiae, especially in the off season. So I'm very excited that there's finally some real games this weekend because when push comes to shove, like, I agree that it's ridiculous that you could play in, like, sign with the Browns and play in preseason, whatever, and then go back to college. But this is also a really small number of players that this is affecting because they didn't know the NCAA was going to change the eligibility rules and that they were going to be left out of it. And I just, like, don't care. Like, I'm just ready for the season to start and I am done caring too much about this right now. I think this conversation, I think it really goes away.

20:30Maybe not this weekend with, you know, just a couple of games, but the real week one, next weekend, Greg. I think this conversation kind of goes away. I think fans resent the player who changes his mind like that and takes advantage of what is in our loopholes, really. I mean, if you're on an NFL roster, if you appear in an NFL game, the goal of wanting to go back to your college team, nobody wants that. I don't think you would do the same thing though, Greg. If you are in this position, like, you're not good enough to make an NFL roster. Like, we're not talking about these are the best players coming back, like Fernando Mendoza's coming back to Indiana, even though he's on the Raiders. Oh my god. We're talking about kind of like fringe NFL players. Guys that probably weren't going to find themselves on a roster that were left out of this eligibility change because of the timing. And the NCAA knew this was going to happen. And some people think this is like a conspiracy to get people to support the Protect College Sports Act. I don't know if it's that.

21:31I don't know if they're that savvy or if they just are slow to change and knew that this would get challenged in court. And it affect a few dozen players and then it would kind of be the end of it. But I don't know if I, again, like if maybe I'll change my mind once the season starts. If one of these players ends up being the star of a team that wins a national championship game, like, yeah, maybe, and it's not my team. But I, I don't know. I just find it really hard to get that worked up over it because of the complications of this scenario. Yeah. It's a classic hate the game, not the player situation because these are young adults who probably was on the fence about all their decision-making decisions, whatever you call it in the first place. We got it. He did. So yeah, they were treated unfairly in that the COVID people got the extra year of eligibility. The NCAA has since ruled five years for everybody. And the 20th, you could see this coming. And like the, the cynic in me thinks that the NCAA did see this coming and actually decided

22:34that the message is good for their bottom line, which is get past this unjust, not collectively bargain save college sports act. Yeah. But, and again, like this is the, this is the worst part about college sports. I hate it so much. I don't want to read a bill. That's not why I got into this. I want to watch Hawaii and Stanford on Saturday night. I agree with that, but the athlete and his agent and his parents and all his advisors have months and months to decide whether they're entering the draft, right? But they didn't have, they didn't, yeah, that's not what happened because they didn't, the NCAA changed the eligibility rules after that decision was made. And the NCAA knew this would happen. And they, I assume knew this would lead to what is happening right now. I got zero blame. Zero blame. Zero. I understand the optics are on them and how could you? Yeah. That weird if you put on a Browns uniform one week and then you're in an LSU uniform. No, it's ridiculous. I agree. It's not their fault.

23:34It's the NCAA's fault. This was a, if they had any type of leadership, this was the most obvious thing that was going to happen with the 2022 class. And if you're a player that's on the fringes of the NFL, you would have liked clarity on this sooner. Now, could you say maybe a player could have challenged this earlier? He had players on Miami that were trying to see about this, to see if the 2022 class was going to be screwed, but the NFL process is such that you kind of have to make that decision quick. As I highlighted yesterday, Mark Helbell, who's doing really well at the next level, would have been back at Miami had this thing been clarified earlier on. So do you agree or disagree that major conferences should have the right to say, nope, we won't take you back? I think one thing that we've learned from this summer with this and the Soresby thing, it's that the schools are in charge because the NCAA has zero teeth. Legally they lose every case that they have. And if we were up to court rulings, VNCAA, Soresby would be playing right now.

24:37So the inmates are running the asylum to a very large degree. Sometimes that is perceived as a bad thing if you're viewing it through a traditional prism. Also, the inmates got it right when it came to Soresby. And this one, I think most people consensus would agree it's a little ridiculous that a dude can get two sacks for the Tampa Bay bucks one week and then go into the transfer portal the next. Yeah, flatly ridiculous, but also Greg, like these are players that I, and it's a little late in the game to, and you know, there's the, the cap air quotes and all, and I all and everything like that. But like, yeah, if you can make money to play an extra year in college, maybe it helps your future NFL prospects. Again, I doubt it in some cases because these are players that played four years in college and, you know, they're older players for the most part. So I don't know if that's a real consideration, but if you get one more year of, of wages or NIL or whatever it is playing in college that you wouldn't have gotten because you didn't make an NFL team, then yeah, I, I, I don't think I can blame you, but I also acknowledge

25:41it is completely ridiculous. And it sucks that the players are wearing it when this is really just a decades long NCAA flaw because as soon as schools started getting millions of dollars for their television rights back in the 80s and 90s, that was when there should have been some acknowledgement that, huh, it's weird that the players don't see any of the, any of this money, right? And here we are still talking about collective bargaining. And if that were a thing in a contract, once you signed with an NFL team or declared for a draft, you're no longer eligible to play college sports, then yeah, I'd be like, well, you agreed to that. We all, we all, this is a CBA. It's collectively bargain, but this is not the case. That's not how it's working right now. We hold them to this strange standard for, for example, if I'm a regular college student, there have been countless examples of people who went to school, joined the workforce, decide, I'm going to go back to school. They are not met with any judgment whatsoever whatsoever.

26:42And these people have legal reasons to be like, I can go back. I have more eligibility. I can't, and they're actually getting paid to go. Yet there's a lot of moral grandstanding when it comes with it that is a little unfair when you just compare it to Gen Pop. Yeah. I don't know. The whole thing is obnoxious, but Memphis, UNLV, I'm 10 o'clock outside of it. Yeah. So, Fall in Miami doesn't necessarily mean sweater weather, the way that it does around the rest of the country where you might be listening from, but it does for me, mean an even busier schedule somehow. And I need dependable clothes that I can throw on without really thinking about it, like just constant things that I can wear on a daily basis and feel comfortable and feel confident. And that's why Quince has become such an easy part of my wardrobe. They're fitted tees and they're polos. They feel premium. They fit the way I want and they work whether I'm headed over to the studio or if I'm going out afterwards or going to the Marlins game or he game, it doesn't really matter. I'm going to be wearing Quince because Quince also has breathable active wear and 100%

27:46Mongolian casual wear sweaters that started just 60 bucks. I also just recently grabbed a new corduroy jacket that I think is going to be a fall staple for me that you'll see on me on the show. Everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. I use Quince and you should too. Find your next fall favorites at Quince. Download the Quince app for exclusive offers or go to quince.com slash Dan. Get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada and the UK too. That's qiuince.com slash Dan. Tony, you know that moment at a party or a tailgate where everything just sort of clicks. I know it well. It's usually when I show up. Everybody goes crazy. You usually take all the credit for it, but it's because Tony usually walks in with Quarevo. I'm blocking like this. Yeah, Quarevo is a thing that turns hanging out into this is the night. It has that effect on people. It does. You usually take the credit for it, but again, it's the Quarevo effect.

28:48It's like that moment in a big game where everyone in the crowd just starts standing up, hooting and hollering. Keep it quarevo. Keep it quarevo, baby. This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online makes sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up require compatibility and availability varies 18 plus. Dan Lebertar. I heard that as a woman faking pain. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't. You know. It was not fake. It was in no way fake. You can spot a woman faking it. Great curry. Yes, I can, Jess. I've been married 40 years. This is the Dan Lebertar show. Leave an ongoing storyline. All right.

29:48That has come from this day one right, Cleveland Brown's LSU situation. And I want you to follow along here with us, Jess. On Monday, we heard from Todd Monkin, who had coached the Cleveland Browns, who spoke about this day one right situation. At this point, they'd put them on waivers. And if he cleared waivers, he was going to what he did. He would then go and sign with LSU. So here, let me take you back a couple of days ago. There was Todd Monkin head coach of the Cleveland Browns telling you how he had a miss call from Lane Kiffin. I mean, I don't know what to say. I mean, you know, I wondered why Lane Kiffin reached out a week ago. Now I know. I mean, you know, now I know. I didn't call him back. Now I guess I should have. Appreciate you. Thank you. All right. So Todd Monkin, they're saying, all right. You know, that's why Lane Kiffin was calling me.

30:49You know, he was, he wanted, he's poached in my player. I should have called him back. Should have called him back. I thought it was originally weird. You don't have 60 seconds. Lane Kiffin, you have a message from Lane Kiffin. You don't have 60 seconds to call him back. Why wouldn't you call him back? Weird, right? Really strange. So the next day, of course, Lane Kiffin at his media availability in Baton Rouge was asked about the phone call that he made to Todd Monkin. There's some inaccuracies in that story, but I don't know. Maybe someone else called him and said they were me. You know, so I actually don't know Todd. So I guess somebody left him a text or call that was me, because I don't know where I have his number. Now you can say that Lane Kiffin is kind of a bitch bag, whatever. But I don't think he's lying there. That looks like someone who doesn't know who Todd Monkin is. Yeah, but that call is so traceable though. I mean, any call into a head football coach's office, that number is going to be traceable. You know, he may have a burner phone or whatever.

31:49I don't know, but it's tough to say you didn't make that call. Are you saying that their monitoring calls for on a cell phone for a college football coaches? Are you in at your mind or in a fellow coaches? If a, okay, let's say a crime is involved here. A major crime is involved. You don't think the cops have access to that number? Well, they have access to every number. Okay. So what I'm saying is if, if you're Todd Monkin's guy, you look at his list of numbers. What I'm saying is the Browns can prove whether or not a call came from a number associated with Lane Kiffin. Well, this story continues to be easy to trace. Okay. So Todd Monkin claims that Lane Kiffin called him, doesn't know why, assumes it was because of Dayquan rights. I'm like a dog with a bone on this one. Then Lane Kiffin says, I don't know Todd Monkin. Or do I have his phone number? So now, obviously yesterday, Todd Monkin was now going to be asked what the hell is going

32:50on? One of our staff had said that they'd gotten a text. I should have filed through it. Maybe they meant someone from their staff, right? That's on me. Should not throw someone's name out there without what, following through with it, right? I was just making the light of it. I really, I was really not trying to make a big thing of it. It was just like, man, what this world we've come to. I shouldn't have thrown that out there, right? Like, to me, I can't control this, right? I was just, it was almost silly-missing goofiness, like, really? There's what we've come to, where guys can be here and go back to college. It's really not a big deal, other than I probably shouldn't have without knowing for sure, you know. So it is what it is. All right, someone needs to go back to Lane now. What the hell are you talking about? We're coming to you at the back of the point. This needs to be a season-long arc. This is, he should, he could have just said I was kidding. Exactly what happened. Exactly what happened. It was obviously a joke. The first press conference, he's obviously like, oh, I'm giving it to me, LOL.

33:51Like, who cares? Like, does this matter? This is the dumbest shit. How does Todd Munkin not just get up there and say, I thought it was making up something funny and- What does world we've come to? That's the part. That was the part, like, all these days, you know? All right, nothing worse than a damn liar. Todd Munkin, you having a hell of a week, be it, bro. Yeah. You know, you talk about no more, bro. He's got a problem. The only thing that happened was, scan the people who bugged Lane's office at Ole Miss. Are they able to infiltrate his cell phone records so we can see what happened here? Okay, I'm not saying they bugged his office. No, they never mind. Okay. Who got the tank? One of Munkin's assistants got a text from LSU. I'll take the vine here. I'll follow what Jess was trying to set up. Jess, there was rumored in New Window that the offices at Ole Miss were bugged after Lane Kiff and left and Pete Golding was asked about this rumored in New Window and here

34:53it is in the press conference. Any bowl game playoff system, obviously, you're going to up security. I'm not sure there was a hiring process of, here we go with the FBI. I do think we probably have a current player who's dead just so happens to work for the FBI that lives in town that from that standpoint. There was no measure to go. My gosh, you're coming in from that standpoint. But, no, obviously, anytime you get in that playoff system and you had guys from this building go to other places, you want to make sure it's secure for your players. I'm going to tell you something. College football is the best. I mean, it's just the best. I mean, Lane Kiff and is just such a necessary evil in this sport. It just makes everything so fun. Exactly. It's important to remember that this is here for our entertainment and we should enjoy it and soak it all in. I'm with you. Greg, I was trying. I wanted to have your back. I wanted to do the thing where I'm like, I'm with Greg on this one, but I did sort of lose you for a second.

35:54But it's okay. We'll come back. I'm confident. Okay. I'm going to be on something for you to segment ends. I may not have explained myself well enough. I'm just saying if you call Todd Monk in's office or you leave a text for a bit, it's traceable. That's all. Something with you ever since that Conor's interview. Just a little off. Who? You. Oh, he thinks his name is Curtis. You look right at you. Conor Curtis. Oh, Conor Curtis or Curtis Conor. Yeah. It's hard Conor. You got a car. Oh my God. You guys Tim Curry died. Yeah. We said, whoa. Come across. I'm hearing about him for the first time. Who know who that is? Yeah. Of course he does. Greg, if you're on a rock tour picture show, he died today. Yeah, rock your picture show. He was very ill and that was known about him, but no, he died today. He's been out of the public for a while. I didn't know that. Don't count your tips in public. Well, my bit treasure Island was my favorite movie. I mean, we're at re-actions is live. I feel like you died a long time.

36:55You should say in trench there. It's been explaining. It's trending everywhere that he just died. You should say where you're at. Literally just died. That's a great show. You're confused because I think he had a stroke a few years ago. Well, he's been very sick. Yeah, you're just, I think you're just a little confused. I'm sorry. I didn't know we were alive. I don't know. Jess, why are you confusing that studio so bad today? OK. My bad. You got me. Did we talk about the Jaguars in your uniforms? Go ahead. I'm going to gather myself here. OK. At first glance, you think I don't see what the big deal is. These look fine. And then you zoom in on the pants and they are animal print. And I think they're perfect for the city of Jacksonville. They are spectacular. I saw them compared to Lulu Lemon. Yes, that's exactly what they look like. I love them. They look like a Lulu print. These look so true. Yeah, I love them. I'm not, yeah, I'm with Roy. Roy just said off-mic that he doesn't like the font. And the right one in uniforms. I don't love it either. But there is a good uniform here.

37:57And it's starting with the pants. Greg? Who named them Bold City? Is that a nickname they just made up for themselves? I've never heard that before. I'm just raising the question. Yeah, Bold City. Oh, I'm with Greg on this one. Yeah, Bold City. Bold? B-O-W-L or B-O-L-D. B-O-L-D, Bold City. I've never. Bold City. Never once heard that nickname applied to Jacksonville. If you were going to give that nickname to a city in America, which would you give it to? It wouldn't be Jacksonville. Which would it be? That's what I asked. Jackson, Wyoming. What? I'm going to Boulder. Wow, that's a good idea. There it is. Bold City. I got to tell you, I'm shocked right now with this Tim Curry news. Are you shocked that you found out he wasn't already dead? Is that what you're shocked about? Yeah, that's what I'm shocked. I really thought he passed away a while ago. He mentioned that. I had not heard that he passed away until today. Huge, when he passed away. Well, that makes sense. That doesn't make sense. I have his Rocky Horror Picture Show album in my collection and one of my favorite rock songs from the late,

38:59I think it was the late 70s, was a Tim Curry song called I Do the Rock, which if you haven't heard it before, it's a banger. Rocky Horror Picture Show amazing clue. It's like, love to mean clue. Clue, yes. It. It's, yeah, it's right. He was the original Pennywise in it. It's called Lawn Lost to the New York City. This is like Rocky Horror Picture Show was, you know, is a cold classic. People still go to see it. Between this and Dolly Parton, huge cultural tent. Yeah, yes. Temples. Greg, according to Reddit, Jacksonville received the nickname via self-marketing after the 1968 major restructuring of the city and county due to our newly formed Bigass city. They slapped that slogan onto road signs to sway people to move there, most notably being the 1968 photo of Mayor Hans Tonsler standing on a ladder with busty actors Lee Meredith. I don't know who Lee Meredith is. Busty busty. Yeah. Thank you to this two-year-old, Jacksonville subreddit comment

40:02from whoever, whichever user posted it. There you go. Busty. Self-marketed. Jess, what is going on with this aura ring lawsuit? I'm not even trying to know what an aura ring is. OK, I have a family member who has one of these. I don't have one of them. But it's sort of like an Apple Watch, but it's on your finger. Do you remember whoop? Remember those? It's kind of like that. There it is. It's kind of like that. It's like honoring your, yes. It's monitoring, yes. You're biometrics, I guess. But one of the things aura ring does is it tells you if you had a good or bad sleep score. And one of my family members swear as bad, she's like, I had a really bad sleep score last night. And I'm like, OK, but do you are you tired? We'll know. Yeah, like don't you just know when you wake up if you slept good or not? Right. But it gives you a sleep score. But now there's a class action lawsuit that they're basically just like kind of making it up. And it's kind of like a 50-50 guess as to whether or not

41:03you get a good night's sleep or a bad night's sleep. And I don't know if those allegations are true. Roy, do you have an aura ring? Yes. Look at that. Jesse's got one. Roy, do you think the sleep tracking is accurate? No. So what are you wearing before? There you go. Well, it's technically a replacement for my wedding band. I imagine. Your aura ring like takes your personality and every morning, it's just like it was fun. When Roy asked, I had to sleep. It was OK. Yeah, it does actually. Do you check it every day? I've been checking it recently in Chris's right now. And how often are you sleeping? How often are you getting the good sleep report? Every time I can pull it. Tell us about your sleep last night. It was a great last night. What does it actually say though? Like give us the exact. On all polar beach. Now, if it says that you didn't get good sleep, do you always like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. I don't feel great. Yeah, really? Yes. Because I don't feel great right now. It's like, oh, well, I got a bad sleep score. That's why I don't feel good today. You're like, oh, I got a great sleep score up. Today's gonna be a great day. Like it kind of, it's maybe like gives you a little bit of like a placebo effect.

42:03I don't know. But anyways, I am all for these class action. Do you guys get emails from like law firms sometimes? Oh, yeah. I don't want to be. I got one yesterday from European wax center in Florida. And I was like, oh, boy, here we go. Get on that. What did they, what did they do to me now? What thing did they subject me to? Turns out it was like some data leak thing, but I will be signing up for it. I got one from the NBA today. It's a go out. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Get on that. If you hear me, yes, sir, I think it's some league past situation. Have you ever heard some money talk to me about your sleep, Roy? All right, total sleep was five hours and three minutes. Restfulness was good. Rim sleep was an hour 24. Deep sleep was 53. Wow, 58 minutes. That's not enough, Roy. No, no, no, no. What are you doing, man? Are you up late watching hockey or something? No, it's not hockey season yet. Claire can I see you. You could have been watching a replay. No, I was watching a replay. I was watching baseball, but Claire couldn't sleep. So it's class of Claire. Yeah, tossing in charter. Wow, it's just Claire. All right. You toss or turn more? I'm not a tossing turner, no. No, no. You don't toss or turn?

43:03No. I'm just on the side. I'm a flipper. I'm a flipper. I start on one side a couple of times to the night just flipping to the other side. Yeah, flip. You're not supposed to sleep like a crime scene outline. Like, you know what I'm talking about, when you're like, based down within the up? Who the hell sleeps like? Apparently, oh, I do every night. It's so wonderful. Faced down with my knee. Oh, I kind of, that's kind of, I think of that as a side sleep. I know what you're talking about where the right, if I'm on my left side, my right knee is like kind of up near my stomach. But if you're tummy flat on the bed. It's kind of a weird angle. Like, that's a, it's a hybrid between, I get, I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like, to me, that's like a hybrid between side sleeping and on your shoulder. I sleep on my back with my arms up like this. Wow. You must, no wonder, no wonder you snore so much. Like you're being held up. Yeah. That's very comfortable for me. That's how I sleep. My dad sleeps on his back with his legs, crisscross applesauce, and his hands folded on his stomach. Right. As if I'm in a conference. It's one of the scariest things to ever stumble upon. Do your knees not hurt when you wake up?

44:04No, I find it very comfortable. I gotta make the stallion knees, huh? Oh. Jess, you could hear her the weekly Notre Dame podcast, the echoes with Mike Goliq, Junior, great job Jess. I'm gonna finish my PBJ now. Oh. Looks like a slice of pizza. Yeah, that crunch.