The Liz Wheeler Show - Roy Singham's Militant Plot Against U.S. Explained By Communism Expert

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So the man who untangled exactly how the money is getting from Roycing him to this pilgrimage

by these radical leftists, including Ilhan Omar's daughter, exactly how the money got from Roycing

him to Ilhan Omar's daughter is a man named Stu Smith. He's an investigative analyst at City

Journal, which is a publication of the Manhattan Institute. And he has done phenomenal work tracing

the origins of this of this pilgrimage. So we are proud to welcome him to the show for the very

first time today. Please give him a warm welcome. Stu Smith joins us. Stu, it's good to have you.

Yeah, I'm happy to be here. All right. So this is phenomenal investigative work on your part

to untangle. I mean, it is it is complex and it is convoluted to actually find the trail from

Roycing him through all of these groups to their final destination. And you've done a very good

job on this. If you could give us the rundown of time, basically tying the train between Roycing

him in Ilhan Omar's daughter, please, the floor is yours. Yeah. So,

Percy attended this people's forum brigade. So all of this happened under this umbrella of the

Nuestra America convoy. And so Nuestra America is a old kind of Cuban nationalist term. That means

our America. And it comes from a Cuban thinker from like 1891. And that and this is a guy who's

like so far back in history that like he's a political at this point. But the Cuban regime uses him

as like, hey, he was right about anti imperialism. And so from the get go, this whole brigade is

based around anti imperialism and progressive internationals involved, who has a member of their

board who is literally Fidel Castro's niece. What? So that's kind of that's like the that's yeah,

so that's the frame that we have to remember that that like like if you look at like you gov

reporting on how the average American feels about Cuba, only 12% of Americans think favorably about

the Cuban regime. And so this is this like this whole idea that Cuba is managing their country well

is nonsense. No, no, the average person believes this. Their electrical grid system that produces

the blackouts is Soviet era technology. So like the average person should be asking like why hasn't

Cuba upgraded their tech in 40 years? I mean, that's the that's so like that's what I wish these

independent journalists, you know, in quotation marks like us on Piker were asking the the people

they're meeting in Cuba. But that's not the case. But the thing is that when you have these brigades

go to Cuba, they're based around kind of like affinity groups, sometimes based around ethnicity.

And that's been the structure since the weather underground went to Cuba back in the 60s. So

nowadays are typically a youth brigade an LGBTQ brigade. There might be like an international brigade

like in my reporting, they branded one as the influencer brigade. That's this one, right? And so

Elhan Omar. Yeah, Elhan Omar's daughter and Hassan Piker was at the influencer brigade or what did

they brand themselves as? So she was on the youth brigade that the people's forum sponsored. And

if you look at the people who are yeah. And so she was in and so other people in that would be like

top leaders from the Palestinian youth movement. So like Isha Nazar was there. And she kind of went

viral. I reported on this for targeting the F 35 supply chain to you know hurt our military and

also hurt the millet like everyone involved in the F 35 program, which is like 12 plus countries.

So if you are hypothetically a Chinese billionaire trying to undermine the American effectiveness

in our allies, you know targeting our supply chain is a way you would do it. And you know,

PYM is also in this Singham network. And so this youth brigade got there earlier. So they were

there in like the middle of the week. And they went to the Centro that's Spanish for Center,

the MLK Centro. And they did like special little trainings. They met people. They had like a

elongated programming. In years past, a lot of this programming is like super propaganda where

it's like, did you know Cuba's cured cancer and diabetes and Alzheimer's. And like that's part

of their programming like past peoples forum brigades to Cuba have done that. Now because there's no oil

fuel on the island, they can't do that like go out to these specialty little Potemkin villages to do

this kind of like immersed propaganda. But she was there from the get go with Manolo. You can see

other people who are like high level leftists, even had college professors there. Like in the video

you played the first woman you see painting is actually a Rutgers professor. Yeah. So I mean,

if you really need like I always kind of feel like Charlie Day and always sunny with like my

conspiracy map. Yeah. Because it's you really need like a giant like mural of like your conspiracy

board to connect all the dots. But I mean, it's it's on it's it's just crazy. It is crazy. So the

DSA, we've talked about the DSA frequently on this show, especially in the last six months or so

I guess a little bit more than six months since before the election because when DSA was

obviously they were very supportive. So Ron Mondami is a member of the DSA. This is their

this is their strategy, right? To kind of take over to infiltrate and take over the

Democratic Party so that they can put these socialist Marxist anti-Americans in these positions

of power. Talk to me about the DSA's connection to Roy Singham.

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Yeah, so when it comes to Never Roy Singham and the DSA, it's not going to be as like crystal cut.

You can definitely see a lot of people who have like overlap with each other. You know,

there was a niece who was his, Singham's niece was working on the Mondani campaign. But the thing

that I would kind of focus on when it comes to like DSA, Cuba, and this kind of broader like New

York-based wing is that at the start of the year, 2026, Maduro gets captured, and then all of a

sudden you start seeing DSA signing on to answer coalition protests. And that's typically, that's

always been a little bit atypical. DSA has historically kind of distanced themselves from PSL,

Party for Socialism and Liberation because they're a Marxist-Leninist organization. But

summer of 2025, DSA actually becomes majority communist, like actually communist. I know like when

conservatives hear this, they're like, well, their communists are ready aren't they? But like, you

have to think of this in the way that the DSA views themselves. So you have two wings of the DSA,

wing of the DSA that believes in kind of Nordic style, social democracy, winning elections,

and then you have a wing of the DSA that's very much inspired by anti-imperialism,

third worldism, global south, and like the like historical movements that come out of that. So

that could be anything from Cuba, to Palestine, to Hezbollah, anything in that kind of malism,

anything that's in that kind of contingent of anti-imperialism. And so,

2026, you start seeing answer people's forum, DSA sponsored events, national protests. So like

the one that just happened around Iran was answer coalition, DSA, even indivisible,

and then NIAC, which is a Iranian advocacy organization that people, most people see as regime

pro regime. So that's kind of where we are now with it, where it's like they're in this kind,

they're making broader coalition with openly with people's forum and answer.

It's, I mean, it's always, it's always the same people, like it's always the same people behind

all of this unrest in the United States. So I mean, what's on the horizon? Given like what you've

reported, what's on the horizon for the summer? I mean, not to sound. I mean, the weather's

warming up. A lot of times that does correlate with like the protests ratcheting up because it's

not as unpleasant for these people to be outside. Are these socialist communist groups? Like what are

they planning? Are they planning to ratchet up their riots and their violence here in the United

States this summer? What do you foresee? So one thing to keep an eye out is Mayday and what the

activism is going to look like around that. So that's going to be like pan left. So you will certainly

see a Mayday brigade go to Cuba, that's sponsored by the National Network on Cuba, but you will also

have like here in America, Mayday protests. I'm seeing a lot of action in like a higher ed,

academia about doing something around Mayday. You know, they really are trying to build up their

muscle for the 2028 strike, the general strike in 2028. So any sort of labor-affiliated activism

they can do between now and then they're very much working on. So Mayday is going to be big

in Cuba space, Fidel Castro's birthdays coming up. So they're going to likely have a big action

brigades going down, Assadish occur memorial as well. So there's going to be a lot of Cuba,

pancuba, and just keep in mind that whenever there is some sort of tragedy they can exploit

or international event, the DSA actually has a rapid response team that goes into effect,

decides what they're going to do, and is like that. And on like the PSL,

Singham Network front, if you live in a major city, you should look up if there is a liberation center.

So like if you live in like Durham, North Carolina, there's a liberation center. Philadelphia has

a liberation center. What is that? Those are the, those are pretty much the people's forum.

It's, yeah, so it's a PSL office. And so that's, you know, when you see these protests go out into

the streets, the signs get made overnight, they're being made at these liberation centers.

So they do like an art build on a Friday night, and they have the signs ready for the next day.

So wherever you are, you know, people watching the show right now, look up on Instagram right now,

type in your city, and liberation center, and see if there's a PSL office near you, because

they're very well might be. I think you would be surprised. They have so many offices.

That is shocking. That is, I mean, we knew that they were that coordinated, right? The media always

tells us that, um, that these are grassroots or organic, or you know, people just reacting

to something that they don't like in petitioning their government, but it's not. It's obviously

highly organized here. So go back to the money, the money trail for a second. So I think there's a lot

of feeling among the right of like, okay, but what do we do about this? You know, if we look up,

and there's a liberation center, like, what are we supposed to do? Just sit here and shock about it,

because this is all organized all around us. And I always come back to Roy Singham as the answer

to that, because all of this stuff that they do, whether it's these firearm trainings, whether it's

these brigades to Cuba, whether it's organizing and printing signs, like this stuff takes money,

it takes resources, it takes full time labor that needs to be paid for. If they weren't getting

the funding that they get from Roy Singham, I think that this infrastructure of very radical

leftism, like communism that is trying to infiltrate our country would at least significantly crumble

if not evaporate. Um, and it's, it's actually one of my frustrations with Congress, you know, they,

they hold these hearings and, you know, write these letters to Roy Singham and say they want to

investigate, but can this be stopped? Like, can, can his money, can the, can the US government stop

his money from funding what he funds in the United States? Yeah, I think right now they're working

on building a very strong case to be able to take that out. And I think that that makes sense,

you know, law, you know, to do things in a legally sound protected way, that is a strong case,

you know, these things take time, you know, justice doesn't happen overnight. So you have to build

the strongest case and have, you know, the skills and means to implement that, you know, the fact

that he lives in China, you know, does offer some complexities there. But we'll work, there are

very good people who spend every minute of their day working on this, working on that very question

and trying to figure out exactly what we do with that. Obviously there are things that could happen

reforming the nonprofit landscape so you can't exploit these kind of legal loopholes. You know,

keep in mind that the IRS and the division that would be looking at this very issue and having

oversight over these nonprofit groups is severely understaffed. You know, whenever I say we need

to staff the IRS, I think people think I'm crazy. And I thought that we're going after ordinary

people. No, we are totally not. When we say that we want to staff the IRS, we want very

just sensible people to be looking at these nonprofits and saying things like, well, what does

this really mean? Like you can look like, hey, I invite your audience to do this. You can go on

probe publica, you can look up a nonprofit and look at their 990 form. And so you can go through

that and you can see who's on the board, you know, where they're spending their money, are these

people getting a salary, you know, even to how many hours a week they claim to work. So these are

things that like ordinary people can do to just look at this nonprofit sphere. And what we want

are professionals to be scrutinizing these 990s and making sure that the goodwill of having a robust

nonprofit industry is not being exploited for foreign influence campaigns, which is what's

happening right now. So that's why I'm always the biggest advocate for staffing the IRS, not to go

after the citizens of this country, but to go after the bad actors exploiting this wonderful

industry that's supposed to be aiding the American people, not destroying it from within.

You might be the only person on our side who I've ever heard advocate for more staffing at the IRS.

Your reasoning is sound, but I'm sure you know it's going to be met with skepticism.

Rightly so, we've all been targeted by the IRS because of our conservative beliefs. You know,

you have liberty in your nonprofit name and they come after you, I refuse to. We all know this

happened under the Obama administration. Okay, so you track these, this is what you do for a living,

you track these radical groups. Give us some examples of these, I guess strategy calls,

where they plot the overthrow of the government and they always use this word, they talk about it

being capitalism, but it's really the American government that they're talking about here.

Give us a sense of what you're seeing and hearing from some of these like internal strategy

sessions that they hold. Yeah, I mean, these, I look at everything pretty much under the sun

when it comes to the left. So, some major ones I've seen of late, there was a Villanova professor

who was talking about using Villanova as an engine for communism and making the university

like enforce communist belief at Villanova, you know, Catholic University. And he's actually speaking

at one of these liberation centers in Philadelphia tomorrow. So if people want to go out and see him,

do they have two days at those, at those events, if he's speaking at the liberation that are like,

can anyone go? Could we go? Yeah, I mean, theory, it's open. I mean, it's, they're advertising it.

And I think that's the thing where, you know, it was great to see on Fox News today,

Azor Nomani going to the People's Forum and confronting Manolo and Brian Becker. I mean,

they almost never had any sort of pushback. And it's funny to watch them scream, you know,

McCarthy and run down the street to get away from her. But, um, but yeah, so that's something I've

seen of late, uh, with Professor Rockhill, you know, I'm tracking the professor from Villanova.

PFLP. Yeah, Gabriel Rockhill. Okay, okay. And he's actually a student of Derrida,

the absurdist kind of postmodernist thinker. So he actually has like a very,

in leftist sense, like a insane pedigree, academic pedigree. But, um,

doesn't stop the communism from infiltrating his brain here.

I know, I know, but, but I'm tracking a PFLP conference. So that's popular front for liberation

Palestine. Um, so that's on the more like terrorism sense. And, you know, there are a ton of

calls coming up on a regular basis. So we have a No Kings Day coming up on Saturday. And that's

kind of been one of those questions that we have and leftist space where there are people like,

even on the DSA who think it's nonsense to even go to these No Kings Day protests because they

see it as resistance libs who just want to scream for the day, but won't actually take the next

step for revolution. But there are far leftists who are trying to create like militancy and those

No Kings Day spaces so they can win people over. So that's kind of like a dialectical kind of

disagreement. But there is still the possibility that there are insane radicals in these No Kings Day

movements who are trying to build that base for something more extreme. So that's something

that I'm watching out for as well. And then just kind of keeping an eye on everything the DSA is

doing. So like there's good there's like a radical kind of wide DSA call happening this week around

Venezuela. So they're going to be meeting with uh Venezuelan contingency. So that should be

interesting to see as well. It should be very interesting. Okay, let's circle back to where we

started this episode, which is Ilhan Omar's daughter. She's not a hugely, I mean, she's not a household

name at this point. Obviously it's scandalous, this story is scandalous because of who she is,

the daughter of a sitting U.S. Congresswoman who I would argue is not a valid U.S. citizen because

of her father's lies on his claim for asylum back in the 1990s here. But talk to me about, talk to

me about this young woman is rehearsing Ilhan Omar's daughter and what I mean, she wasn't just

sent because she's the daughter of a U.S. Congresswoman. She was sent because of her on in a sense,

her own merits in the communist space. Talk to me about her.

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Gamlin problem called 1-800-Gamler. Yeah, I mean, she's an open communist. She has it in her

Twitter bio. And you know, she's been pretty active and activist space. She founded a non-profit

based around environmentalism. It seems to have gone belly up. She was arrested at the Columbia

encampment. And it seems like the people's forum really reached out to her. She, you know,

in on her Instagram stories like an hour ago, she posted like a big thank you to the people's

forum for inviting her out to Cuba. So it's concerning to her. That's actually very interesting.

If they invited her because of who she is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And keep in mind that the state

department did tag the people's forum as a Chinese influence, you know, up. So, you know,

the fact that her mother is then like even endorsing it is a major concern. But

this is what they do. So like even going back to the 1960s, there's been some, like I go through,

I read all the far left text. So like I read an interview with a weather underground member

and they were talking about the vetting process to even go on these brigades. So they actually

were vetting to see how radical you were as a prerequisite to qualify for the brigades.

Wait, what do they ask? How radical you are? Like how did they determine that?

You know, one of the big disagreements that they had back in the day, they had two major disagreements.

There were people who were going on these brigades who felt that the men in Cuba were misogynist

towards them. So there was like this feminist concern. And so then they got, so a lot of these women

who went were called racist for that back in like 1970. So that was part of the text. And then

the other thing was that there were still people who were like, well, we're trying to win

hearts and minds through non-violence. And the weather underground was like, no, no, no, we're

going to Cuba so we can meet the Vietnamese revolutionaries so we can learn how to do violence.

So that was another thing. It was like the question of violence and the movement was one of the,

you know, prerequisite questions that they were asking. And I am always reminded every time we

hear about the weather underground. I'm always reminded just of who was part of the weather underground.

Like Bill Ayers, right? Barack Obama's political career was born in his home in Chicago. He's a

current professor at a university in Chicago. Like these individuals are not not what I would

describe at least anymore as like fringe of the Democrat Party. Like these people, these radicals

who want to use violence to overthrow the United States government because they are communist are

now the mainstream part, not necessarily of the Democrat voting electorate. Your average Democrat

on the street casting their ballots for, you know, other Democrats, they're not necessarily

as violent. But I think they just don't realize that the mainstream part of the Democrat Party,

it's not like the party of the working class anymore. It's not even the party of Bill Clinton.

Like it is made up primarily of people like Ilhan Omar and Bill Ayers.

Yeah, I mean, Bill Ayers has been doing like even media blitz because of the attention that

one battle after another has gotten. And that line actually comes from a speech that his wife

gave about, you know, being a militant organizer. And who is also part of the weather underground

for those, not familiar? Um, yeah. And so Bill Ayers always has this like yearly conference

in Chicago, the socialism conference. So that's going to happen in like September. And, you know,

he's, I've been in the Zoom call with Bill Ayers and Medea Benjamin of Code Pink before. So,

I mean, they do know each other if you, for those for curious. But yeah, there is this major issue

where the Democrat does Democratic Party doesn't have this immune response to this

rampant militancy and extremism that's happening. And you can even hear like more milk toast

DSA members openly kind of gloat that they will primary Democratic politicians who they don't like.

And we saw this in New York City. So it can happen anywhere. And that they run on the ticket

because they can. And if they need to run as an independent, they can. And their whole strategy

right now is to just build socialist power. That is a big part of their platform. They have

lots of ways. They can do it. And remember that this is, they, they are still technically an

organization. So that's how they kind of exploit the system of we run as dims when we want to. We

run as independence as we need to. I think we even have a few cases of them running as Republicans

just because it was easy. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even know that it doesn't happen very often. I think

it's like twice. It's happened. Oh, man. Still, that's terrible. Listen, just just to draw the

the connection. Medea Benjamin that you mentioned co-founder of Code Pink. It was she and Jody

Evans that co-founded it. Jody Evans is the wife of the now wife of Roycing. And I think they

got married maybe 10 years ago. Semi recently for their ages. Medea Benjamin on this

phone call, this Zoom call that you were on with Bill Ayers, a member of the weather underground.

Medea Benjamin, this is a very odd connection. And I wonder what you know about this.

Medea Benjamin also has a friendship with, believe it or not, Marjorie Taylor Greene,

the now former Congresswoman. And it's a very strange, very strange bedfellows because ostensibly

the friendship is about like anti-war solidarity. And yet we know that's not what Code Pink is about.

I mean, Code Pink perhaps used to be a little more anti-war in their activism.

But since Jody Evans married Roycing, I mean, Code Pink used to speak out against the abuse

in China against the Weeger Muslims. And then as soon as Jody Evans married Roycing,

and started getting Roycing a money, funding her group, suddenly China is just like this,

this beacon that should be copied. There's no criticisms that come from Jody Evans about

the Chinese Communist Party. What do you make of that friendship between Medea Benjamin and Marjorie

Taylor Greene? You know, it's honestly at the end of the day gets back to this kind of like

anti-imperialist framing. And so on the left, it's anti-imperialism. On the right, it might be

called more like non-interventionists. And I think we can add like a debate about that. But for like

Marjorie Taylor Greene, who probably is privy to a lot of information, not nowadays, but at one time,

had been privy to more information, to not like put a hand in that woman's face to push her away

is kind of beyond me. She's like budding, budding up with her. I mean, it's concerning. And I think

at the end of the day that there is this overlap in that ideology where we start to get to the horseshoe,

where the ends meet where it's like, okay, you effectively are saying the same thing. Like, I saw

Tucker recently said something that there are no, he even invoked like anti-colonial, like,

rhetoric recently. And I was just like, oh god. Yeah, saying that we, the U.S. should no longer be

the sole arbiter of terms and that we should like share power with the Chinese Communist or something.

I saw that too. Okay, that's so interesting. We could do a whole other episode and maybe we will

at some point on this. This is unbelievable reporting. I know everyone wants to know where they find

you reporting. I know that you have some other stuff coming down the pipeline that people are

definitely going to want to see once that's up and published. So where could people find you online?

I suggest my Twitter at the stew, stew, studio. It's a riff on the old Phil Collins song. But

if it's not a story in the city journal, I post a lot of video content. So I think video is how you

win people over. So a lot of movement calls, you can see it for yourself. I want you to see the

evidence. That's my whole stance. Like, I'm trying to show you what they say and they are digging

their own hole when it comes to the insanity that they preach. Yeah. And by the way, I will tell you

guys, I only have probably a handful of ex accounts on notification that like I'll get a push notification

when anyone, someone tweets and his is one of them because of the content that he posts. So

could not recommend that more highly and very sincere recommendation. Not just not just a promotion.

Stu Smith, thanks for being on the show. We'll have to have you on again. This was great.

Thank you so much. Have a great day. Yeah, you too.